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Speaker 1: Yo yo? What is your child? Edged brother? Yo? I'm

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Speaker 1: going down before like usually so. Welcome to Like a Virgin,

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Speaker 1: the show where we give yesterday's pop culture today's takes.

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Speaker 1: I'm Rosalind Fran Toronto, and we are recording this a

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Speaker 1: lot earlier than we normally do be because Franny, what

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Speaker 1: are you doing next? My friend Laurel Laurel Charleston, if

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Speaker 1: you don't follow her, she's an amazing, amazing at MUA

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Speaker 1: and a friend of Rosin I my and a friend

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Speaker 1: of Roseen. I. One day I'll learn how to speak English.

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Speaker 1: Scammed us into a Virgin Cruise Line cruise leaving from

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Speaker 1: Miami next week. Thank you for being honest. Yeah, brand

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Speaker 1: strong Virgin. Yeah not just a Virgin cruise, a Virgin

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Speaker 1: cruise where children are not allowed, which I love. Oh

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Speaker 1: thank god, oh thanks and more importantly, a cruise that

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Speaker 1: I don't have to really pay for, because I think

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Speaker 1: want to pay for one. Well, I hope you have

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Speaker 1: a lot of fun on your cruise. I haven't been

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Speaker 1: And in fact, I lost my virginity on a cruise,

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Speaker 1: do a show at Actually, actually, my my, I'm one

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Speaker 1: you or not so many people know about you, but

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00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 1: I loved that. Yeah, it's funny nerds come in all shixercises.

424
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm here to give an alternate impression

425
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:35,639
Speaker 1: of what it means to be a nerd. We can

426
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 1: love makeup and hair and sparkles and glitter and be

427
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:43,880
Speaker 1: super super fucking gay, but also love nerdy things like

428
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,440
Speaker 1: you know, Lord of the Rings, Star Wars, Star Trek.

429
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 1: I have tattoos all over my body of all my

430
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 1: favorite genres aliens. We're Star Wars right there, my x wing,

431
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 1: you know. Um. And so I think that people don't

432
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:58,679
Speaker 1: know that about me, and I've always found that to

433
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,640
Speaker 1: be so kind of fascinating, and you know, and people

434
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:03,679
Speaker 1: don't even believe it when I told him, including my husband,

435
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 1: didn't believe it when I was like, I'm a nerd

436
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 1: and a gamer and he was like, no, you're absolutely not.

437
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 1: And I was like, yes, i am, I promise, And

438
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:12,119
Speaker 1: then I was like nerding out with him and he

439
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 1: was like, oh, okay, maybe you are. But I think

440
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 1: the world was kind of Keaton when Hale and I

441
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,439
Speaker 1: got married on May the fourth, Be with You and

442
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 1: had a Star Wars wedding, so I think they were

443
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 1: people are like, okay, maybe, okay, she's yeah, maybe she's

444
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:31,439
Speaker 1: not lying. I'm not sure. So when did the obsession start?

445
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:36,160
Speaker 1: Is this life long? Absolutely? My mother raised me on

446
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:40,959
Speaker 1: episodes four or five and six. You know I really

447
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,199
Speaker 1: loved I actually loved all of them. You know, A

448
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 1: New Hope was amazing. But I think I just really

449
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 1: gravitated towards. That was maybe my first introduction into you know,

450
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 1: sci fi fantasy escapism, which you know many queer kids

451
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:58,160
Speaker 1: do gravitate towards early in life because it's like, oh,

452
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:01,160
Speaker 1: you know, like I might not feel one hundred percent

453
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 1: accepted where I am right now, but like that world

454
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 1: is cool, so like maybe I can just live there

455
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 1: in my head for a little bit. Um. That was

456
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:11,000
Speaker 1: kind of my experience with it, anyway, and I just

457
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 1: was obsessed with it ever since, so much so that

458
00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 1: even in nineteen ninety nine, when episode one The Phantom

459
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:22,120
Speaker 1: Menace came out, I loved it. I was a child

460
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:26,679
Speaker 1: of some early age, and I was obsessed with The

461
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:30,640
Speaker 1: Phantom Menace, even even jar Jar Banks, who I think

462
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 1: we have reclaimed. Can you do the wait? I need

463
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:40,640
Speaker 1: you to it again. I'm sorry. Musa Musa, Lussa serv Smith,

464
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 1: Monsters out the Luten and Orsa st Yeah. Okay, oh

465
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 1: my god, I'm just falling in love with you in

466
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 1: real time. Um, so you're a Jarjar apologist, because not

467
00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 1: a lot of like og Star Wars fans really stand

468
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 1: and jar Jar. He was like a polarizing character. Yeah,

469
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 1: very polarizing character. I think it took the world a

470
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 1: little bit for fans. It took the world into Katie

471
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 1: Land a little bit. But it's interesting because it now

472
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 1: Star Wars is a child's franchise, like we have manysnifications

473
00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 1: with a disneyfication. So it was kind of like the

474
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,440
Speaker 1: foretelling of like this is going to be for kids, y'all,

475
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 1: so like just just get on board. This is kind

476
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:30,680
Speaker 1: of like an elevated children's story now. And and so, yes,

477
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:34,080
Speaker 1: I think that jar Jar I was young, so obviously

478
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 1: I thought that he was hysterical. I was like, oh

479
00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 1: my god, Jargar's like a clown. That's so funny. I

480
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 1: love him. And then I went to a Star Wars

481
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 1: convention right after this came out, and yes, at Disney

482
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:51,120
Speaker 1: at what was formerly known as MGM Studios, and I

483
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 1: went to their room familiar, Yes, exactly MGM Studios, And

484
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 1: I went to this convention and they were like, does

485
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 1: anyone have any impersonations? And I did my Jarjar and

486
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,400
Speaker 1: I got a standing ovation and the monitor in like

487
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 1: this room was like, well, I'm pretty sure that is

488
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 1: the first and last time Jarge or Banks will get

489
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 1: a standing a Well. I love I love that you're

490
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 1: a Jarjar apologist, because I generally am a prequels apologist,

491
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 1: and I do think in recent years we have reevaluated

492
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 1: them as a culture because they get shit on a lot.

493
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 1: But I think the prequels are great and they do

494
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 1: what the prequels are supposed to do, which are exactly like,

495
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: give you the reasons why everything happens the way it

496
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 1: happens in the main trilogy, and I honestly kind of

497
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 1: think they're better than the new ways. I love it.

498
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 1: Oh my god, frand you have a no, no no, no,

499
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a little bit of a virgin to start.

500
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 1: I mean, I've seen pretty I've seen I think all

501
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 1: of the existing like main franchise films, but no, for

502
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 1: the most part, I'm not as in the fandom and

503
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 1: you know, loosely attached to a lot of these characters. However,

504
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 1: I've never heard that take before, So why do you.

505
00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 1: Why do you both of you think the prequels are better? Well,

506
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 1: I'm you know, I love Obi Wan, I love Young Anakin,

507
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 1: I love Amidala. Are you kidding the way she was

508
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 1: serving in like like a different outfit every five full drag? Yeah? Yeah,

509
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 1: Also was Yoda. Yoda is alive and well in kicking

510
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:23,719
Speaker 1: ass in the prequels, which is like that Count Dooku

511
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 1: versus Yoda sword. You know, Lightsaber Battle was the most

512
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 1: epic moment in all of Star Wars history. I think it.

513
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 1: It's definitely like one of the first things that I

514
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 1: remembered from like my theater specifics experience of Star Wars.

515
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 1: I remember my dad losing it, Like you know, your

516
00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 1: dad always wants to take you to like things like this,

517
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 1: And like I was a kid who was maybe a

518
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 1: little more resistant to not like action adventure stuff because

519
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 1: I love Lord of the Rings. I love loved a

520
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 1: lot of san fantasy sci fi. But I was not

521
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 1: an alien girly like Men in Black like scared the

522
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 1: shit out of me as a kid. And so yeah,

523
00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 1: when I was like, you know, like I want to say,

524
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 1: like nine ten or whenever that movie came out of

525
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 1: It's like kind of young, and I remember being really

526
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 1: scared of that movie when I tried to watch it

527
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 1: with my dad, And I think the kind of aliens

528
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 1: in general, and the way they looked and how grotesque

529
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:15,239
Speaker 1: they were in um, the original three, the episodes four

530
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 1: or five and six, I think I was just I

531
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 1: had a kind of like kiddy aversion to it. And

532
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 1: now when I look back on it, I think, like,

533
00:31:21,640 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 1: those practical effects are like so gorgeous and like that's

534
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 1: something that I really love about. Um. Okay, I have

535
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 1: a piping hot take. Um. I just started watching The

536
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 1: Mandalorian last night, and did everyone know that this is

537
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 1: a great show? Like yes, no, Like it's it's like

538
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 1: very well, yeah, everyone should get on this. Has anyone

539
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: heard of Pedro Scal? It's like this new guy on.

540
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 1: There's a baby Yoda thing that's like kind of yeah,

541
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 1: like this thing should go viral, right. Um. I literally

542
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 1: Rose told me two days ago that The Mandalorian is

543
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 1: Pedro Pescal has no fucking idea. So I'm only on

544
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: the second episode. Does he take off his mask? He does? Okay,

545
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 1: okay spoil yeah, no, no, no no, everyone knows this is

546
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: like this was this was Yeah, datcha as as I

547
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 1: am as I'm constantly saying when we record these episodes,

548
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 1: you can't spoil things that happened sometimes decades talking. So like, okay, here,

549
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 1: did you know that Darth Vader is Luke's boot? Um?

550
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 1: Did you know that Luke Skywalker and Leiah are twins?

551
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 1: Even though they also made out, they did kiss in

552
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 1: the first movie? And it's is that something that Star

553
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 1: Wars fans discussed widely or what did we just like

554
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 1: sweep it under the rug? Wait? Really that's like a

555
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: huge thing to ignore. I mean they explained it, so

556
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: then we were like, okay, we accept your explanation, and

557
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 1: then we moved on. Yeah, there was no twitter, you

558
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 1: know in the so it was and it passed exactly.

559
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 1: It was just like it was just like all they

560
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,239
Speaker 1: didn't know. Okay, it's fine, that's so. That's so there

561
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: were to be like canceled, how dare you? Yes? Yes,

562
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 1: canceled incest Nope, never happened. Okay, Um, I'm curious. I

563
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 1: don't even know like it could because I'm kind of

564
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 1: the virgin. I'm like, do we go into like favorite characters,

565
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 1: do we go into a favorite movie? Do we go

566
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 1: into like I have a fun Star Wars and thing

567
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:27,280
Speaker 1: that happened last night. Oh temas. So my husband is

568
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 1: a chess man, so he's really very good at chess.

569
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:33,280
Speaker 1: Um so he wanted to go to this game night,

570
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 1: and so I took my two best friends, Selena s

571
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 1: Titties and our friend Mondo, and we went to um

572
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 1: a trivia okay, a chess night at this board game cafe.

573
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 1: But there was also trivia night, and so um As Titties,

574
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 1: me and Mondo played trivia and we're so aggressive, like

575
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 1: we're crazy people and we're like screaming at you know,

576
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: these like lovely people that are just wanted to have

577
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 1: a nice trivia night. But we were so aggressive. But

578
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: one of the categories was Star Wars, so I swept

579
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 1: in that category. And I'm gonna askew Rose if you

580
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 1: know this question. Okay, okay, um what is the name

581
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: of the planet where um Obi Wan slices Anakin in half?

582
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 1: Oh oh oh fuck um oh um oh. I like

583
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 1: this information does exist somewhere, Like I've definitely I've definitely

584
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 1: like read um and Obi Wan Anakin fan fiction that

585
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 1: took place on that side. But yes, I but yet

586
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 1: I don't know the name of the planet, so I'm

587
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 1: gonna have to concede. Okay, so the name of the

588
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 1: planet is Moosta Far, and I knew that, but for that,

589
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 1: but also because um, on my wedding, I named all

590
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 1: of the tables as a different planet from the Star

591
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 1: Wars galaxy and Star Wars universe. So I put Hale's

592
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 1: family at Moosta Far because they're the Fiery Heart hot

593
00:34:55,800 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 1: Long Islands. Um, this is like giving me my bod Mitzvah.

594
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 1: I put my grandmother and her nonagenarian friends at dag

595
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,240
Speaker 1: Above because that's where Yoda's planet is, so like old

596
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 1: and wise. I put like my mom at Coorissant because

597
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: it was like the city planet. And I just had fun,

598
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: Like I just did. People were from Chicago are hath

599
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 1: because it was the ice planet. I think that's the

600
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 1: coldest place I've ever been in my entire life. Um yeah,

601
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,439
Speaker 1: so I just had fun. Anyway, that's so cute. Okay,

602
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 1: So speaking of you know, sort of all the different planets,

603
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 1: and like, I think that one of the fun things

604
00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 1: about Star Wars it's it's such an expansive universe, and

605
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,320
Speaker 1: like all of these franchises, you know, like the ones

606
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: that like laughs the longest, like we're talking Lord of

607
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 1: the Rings Harry Potter. It's like there's a lot of

608
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 1: world to play in. So yes, you know, when you

609
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 1: think about Star Wars, like who do you see yourself as?

610
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 1: Are you a Jedi? Are you, um you know, are

611
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 1: you a Han solo type figure? Are you an alien?

612
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 1: Are you adroid? What? Like? Where are you in the

613
00:35:56,440 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 1: Star Wars universe? So I think I'm a Sith. I

614
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 1: think I'm a Sith because but like you know, maybe

615
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 1: what you know, like you know almost like you know

616
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,839
Speaker 1: some of like the Witches of Dagmar like kind of

617
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 1: something just really like, um, I've always won more there.

618
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 1: Those are the ones from the Star Wars a clone Wars,

619
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 1: the ones with the painted faces that are like way, yeah,

620
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 1: the Witches of Dagma and we you know, like they're

621
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:23,320
Speaker 1: they're very very spooky scary. Um. I just I always

622
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 1: want to I want to play a villain. I like

623
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 1: being a villain on TV. I think it's it's very

624
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 1: like anti who I am as a person, so like

625
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,879
Speaker 1: people are like, oh he's acting, Um, that's so exciting.

626
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 1: Like in my upcoming project, you'll see I'm acting, I'm

627
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 1: like the villain a bit so. Um, that's fun to me.

628
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 1: I always am drawn to the dark side, isn't that crazy? Um? Like,

629
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,320
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm a jar jar character in the

630
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,359
Speaker 1: Star Wars universe. I think I'm someone to know. I

631
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 1: think I'm very pro rose and I are very pro

632
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 1: like faggy villains, like villains that real y queer. Yes,

633
00:36:55,920 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 1: vengeance about Oh so you're calling Frankie Fay. Yeah. Oh no, no, No,

634
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:05,320
Speaker 1: I would never. That's that's no never never. Um, okay,

635
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:09,879
Speaker 1: you I have to but I'm scared of waiting into

636
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 1: this discourse. But while we're talking about, you know, character alignments. Um.

637
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 1: I have been told once, and I've never stopped thinking

638
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 1: about this, that in every gay male relationship there is

639
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 1: a C three PO and an R two D two.

640
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: Which one are you? Honey? Um? In every gay male

641
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 1: relationship there's a C three PO and an R two

642
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 1: D two. Which one are you? I's gonna say C

643
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 1: three P what? Oh? Um? Well, are you the chatty,

644
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 1: brainy no interpreter? No? Or you're a little fun like

645
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 1: adventurer who likes to go p boo boo boo bop.

646
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 1: That one, you're R g D two, I'm C three

647
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:53,359
Speaker 1: po oh. He thinks he's really so we're we're you're

648
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 1: R two D two. Yeah. I think I'm C three

649
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 1: p but he thinks true. I honestly think when I

650
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 1: think about this analogy, I think a lot about like

651
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 1: attachment styles. Like there's one that's kind of like worrying

652
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 1: about stuff and like trying to keep shit on lock,

653
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 1: and then the one who's like, actually, just like just

654
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:13,719
Speaker 1: like okay, let's just move forward and like we don't

655
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 1: need a panic and like literally I can fix it

656
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 1: with the three beeps. Yeah, I think that's I think

657
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 1: that's til Yeah, okay, well, I love I think he

658
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 1: just wants to be taller. I think that's his issue.

659
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 1: I think he's like, no, I'm taller than you, and

660
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:31,320
Speaker 1: I'm like you are, honey. Okay, so we figured out alignment. Now,

661
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 1: which Star Wars character would you most want, you know,

662
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 1: to spend a romantic weekend with, possibly um keeping each

663
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: other warm on hoff? I mean there's I mean it

664
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Speaker 1: has to be young Anakin Hayden Christiansen. That was he

665
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 1: was smoke. I've said this on the pod before, but unfortunately, yeah,

666
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 1: young Anakin was and and I think episode one or

667
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 1: oh no no, episode one, episode two, and I not

668
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 1: not ban like yeah, no, I'm talking about hating Christians Anakin,

669
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 1: which is episodes, not like old Darth Bay where he

670
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 1: doesn't have Yeah, but there's this, there's this. I'm kind

671
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 1: of I'm kind of into that, to be honest, although

672
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 1: my answer would be like, um, like general like older Leia,

673
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:16,880
Speaker 1: I want her to mommy, mee, mommy fun and like

674
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: tell you like what to do, like please just tell

675
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 1: me what you do. And then also I mean obi

676
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 1: Wan for me because I'm like a you or girly

677
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 1: like through and through for life. And I think probably

678
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 1: the prequels the reason I liked them so much were

679
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 1: because of you in because it's post sure, it's post

680
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 1: Mulan Rouge, so like he was everything. He was everything

681
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:43,280
Speaker 1: and it was such an interesting take on it. Um

682
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 1: oh yeah, completely completely agree. Oh I love it. We're nerds.

683
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:52,839
Speaker 1: It's so wonderful gay nerds. We really are umanes right

684
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 1: he I'm this is this is how much of a

685
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 1: virgin I am. So I'll let me answer this by

686
00:39:58,040 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 1: telling you that there's a TV show called obi Wan

687
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 1: that is just airing where we meet where Obi Wan

688
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 1: is right now, so we are in the middle of

689
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 1: a new Obi run like story run. However, yes, he

690
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 1: dies eventually. He dies in the originals, Yes, in the

691
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 1: original four. You know what was weird about that Obi

692
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 1: Wan show, which I did love? I thought it was great.

693
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 1: Why wasn't it just it's actually called Obi Wan Kenobi

694
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 1: and it should have just been called Obi Vader. It

695
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 1: also could have been called Vader, And I did love

696
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 1: seeing the continuation of their you know, toxic relationship. It's

697
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 1: very much giving ex boyfriends. Yeah for sure. Um yeah, yeah.

698
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:40,280
Speaker 1: My only issue was like how did why do they suck?

699
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 1: Like how come both neither of them can use the force?

700
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 1: Like it's so strange how they're like crawling on their

701
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 1: hands and knees, and like Vader's like, oh man, there's

702
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 1: a bonfire between me and Obi Wan, and I just

703
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:55,319
Speaker 1: can't figure out how to get them on the other

704
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 1: side of that bonfire. Yeah, the rules of the forest

705
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 1: are very finicky. They're not you know, set in stone,

706
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: and it's like, you know, this like magical force that

707
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 1: kind of sometimes it is really powerful sometimes like you

708
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 1: can barely like float over a diet coke can exactly.

709
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 1: I was like, huh, wow, they're really having trouble with

710
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:22,240
Speaker 1: this fight there, and okay, um I okay. I really

711
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 1: feel like when I was first watching these movies, I

712
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 1: didn't totally grasp like a lot of what was going on.

713
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 1: And especially if you start from like episode four or whatever,

714
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 1: you're kind of like, what episode four, like all this

715
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 1: stuff that's like, you know, happening, and like you have

716
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: this huge like scroll screen that's been like you know,

717
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,320
Speaker 1: spoofed out of an item allah like spaceballs, et cetera,

718
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 1: where it's just like all this stuff has happened, and

719
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,319
Speaker 1: now I have to like enter the world. Did you

720
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 1: enter the world knowing stuff about it or did you

721
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 1: just like did you you know, already want to be

722
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 1: a part of it because of the buzz like what

723
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 1: was So this brings up a very very big controversy

724
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 1: in the fandom, which is what order do you introduce

725
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 1: a new person to the Star Wars franchise? Um? You know,

726
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 1: George Lucas thinks you should go one, two, three, four,

727
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 1: five six, um, because it doesn't it, but but there

728
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 1: are people that say you need to do four or

729
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:15,320
Speaker 1: five six, so that the big twist where you find

730
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 1: out that Vader is Luke's father actually still is a twist. Um,

731
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 1: I don't know that there are enough people on the

732
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:27,760
Speaker 1: planet that that applies to. So, yeah, exactly, So I

733
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 1: say do one two three, four five six. Well, as

734
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Speaker 1: a kid, I was introduced four five six one two three,

735
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 1: So um, I don't think there's a wrong way to

736
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 1: do it. I don't think there's a wrong way to

737
00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 1: do So. Do you remember in the nineties they've re

738
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 1: released ally of the up movies and theaters. So I

739
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 1: saw those at them at the movie theater and Book

740
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 1: Raton Florida because that's where I grew up, and I

741
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:11,760
Speaker 1: know that you are also a Florida girl. No way,

742
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 1: where'd you go to school? I went to Dreyfuss. Oh

743
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,879
Speaker 1: my god, I played you in volleyball. I was not

744
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 1: on the volleyball team. No surprises to anyone on the

745
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:24,400
Speaker 1: same recording. Okay, Reggie, you have no idea how often

746
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,879
Speaker 1: Book a Raton comes up on this podcast. It's actually whackadoodle.

747
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 1: It's like once an episode. What is well? Is there

748
00:43:30,719 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 1: a know about Boca? It is? It is an oddly

749
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 1: protected space on this planet. Like I truly feel like

750
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 1: there's some sort of dome that surrounds it because it

751
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 1: is like there's no pollution and there's like very little crime,

752
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 1: and it's very beautiful and well maintained, and everything is huge.

753
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:54,359
Speaker 1: There's just like huge buildings and massive malls and huge

754
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:57,800
Speaker 1: parking lot trees, huge parking lots, the biggest, the biggest,

755
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 1: the biggest, um And it was a really fun place

756
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 1: for me to grow up. It is very homogeneous. We

757
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 1: can say that it's not extremely diverse, which made for

758
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 1: some interesting discoveries when I think of college and I

759
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 1: was like, wow, there's so many people that aren't like

760
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 1: me in this world. So it was an interesting place

761
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:20,320
Speaker 1: to grow up. But I do still think it's really

762
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 1: there's something really special about it. I think so too.

763
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 1: I mean we used to like we used to refer

764
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:28,360
Speaker 1: to it as God's waiting room because you know, it's

765
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 1: like where all the where all the old people come

766
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 1: to spend their twilight years. Yea, it is really. I

767
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 1: think a big part of my personality is like I

768
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 1: am like a nine year old woman in a thirty

769
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 1: four year old woman's body because I grew up surrounded

770
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 1: by the elderly and you know, what I think that

771
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 1: has served me? Well, what where where in Star Wars

772
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 1: the Star Wars universe would you most compare a book

773
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 1: or a tone too? Oh man, it's got to be

774
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 1: coo a song because well no, but it's such a power.

775
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 1: I I was just gonna say, course, not because everyone's rich. Um, No,

776
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:06,239
Speaker 1: it's not. It's Nabu. It's nab It is Nabu. It's

777
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 1: Nabo because everyone is rich. It is rich. Um. But

778
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 1: and it's literally a dome. It's a bubble of perfect

779
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 1: beautiful magicness with huge palaces. I mean it's almost the

780
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 1: same exact architecture as Nabu. Yes, and I grew up

781
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 1: wearing literally everything that Padmea Amidala wore, so it makes

782
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 1: I bought them all at Town Center mall. It's Naboo

783
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:29,320
Speaker 1: kind of like the capital or like so Nabu is

784
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 1: um where Princess Amidala came from. So it's very rich,

785
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 1: very chechy, very royalty. Yes, um, but it's like um

786
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:38,840
Speaker 1: in the middle of a jungle. So it's got that

787
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 1: tropical Okay, they saw off of what Ross told me

788
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 1: about Bucca's malls. I feel like, yeah, that's definitely where

789
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:49,839
Speaker 1: Amidala came from, yes, exactly. Yeah, you could see Amidala

790
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 1: literally going through nemons. She and I went to Hebrew

791
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:56,879
Speaker 1: School together, yes exactly, nay Amidala Nabu, Yes, I remember that.

792
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 1: Yeah of course. Um yeah. And also extremely Jewish community.

793
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 1: So you know, I grew up knowing um, you know,

794
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 1: as I was raised Roman Catholic. But then when I

795
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 1: got to Bocca and I was ten, I was quickly

796
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:13,399
Speaker 1: informed that I was wrong. They were like, no, that's

797
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 1: not how we roll here. You'll be going to forty

798
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 1: seven Barbat and Bana Mitzvah's and I really embraced the

799
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 1: Jewish culture, the Jewish community, um, you know, like I

800
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 1: learned the prayer of the candles and I kind of started.

801
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 1: That began my transition away from the Roman Catholic Church

802
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:30,879
Speaker 1: into Cabala. So I started studying Cabala because I was there,

803
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 1: and now I consider myself kind of like you know, um,

804
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:38,239
Speaker 1: just a student of the universe, but with more emphasis

805
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 1: on Judaism and Cabalah than on Roman. So you wow.

806
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 1: There used to be a Cabala center near the Temple

807
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 1: Um off of Yamato. I remember one time it was

808
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:52,840
Speaker 1: like in, you know, like when I was a teenager

809
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:56,360
Speaker 1: and Cabala was like kind of a little let's say,

810
00:46:56,440 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 1: And I remember one day my mom called me and

811
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 1: I had like I had just gotten a car, and

812
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:07,760
Speaker 1: she said, redacted dead name, Um, I'm having a really

813
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 1: stressful day. I need you to go to the Cabala

814
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 1: Center and get me a red string bracelet so that

815
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 1: I can be centered. And I was like, um, I

816
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 1: have to go to rehearsal, and she was like, I

817
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 1: need it now, and so I went and got her

818
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 1: a red string bracelet. It probably costs like forty five dollars,

819
00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 1: and I'm not going to say that she was very centered. Yeah, No,

820
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:28,319
Speaker 1: you gotta do the rest of the work, like you

821
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 1: gotta like do the Cabala one on one which teaches

822
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 1: you very very simple things. By the way, it is

823
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 1: not like complete rocket science, but it breaks it down

824
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 1: in a way that actually made a lot of sense

825
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:41,399
Speaker 1: to my little thirteen year old brain. And of course

826
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 1: I did go because of me. That's what I was

827
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 1: going to say, obviously, light and I said, yeah, girl,

828
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 1: me too, What the fuck are you talking about? And

829
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:52,480
Speaker 1: then she was like Camala, and I was like, I

830
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 1: gotta go it's kind of like being a Jedi, you

831
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 1: know it is. It's Jewish myths, literalism, that is, you know,

832
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 1: jed I mysticism. It's very mystic. Yes, exactly. I'm sorry

833
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 1: if you already answered this. Did you have a bar mitzvah? No?

834
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 1: I didn't. I had a sweet sixteen So people did

835
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:13,360
Speaker 1: come to that, which was really fun. It was alien themed,

836
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 1: and during the cake cutting, I showed the scene from

837
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 1: Alien three where the alien burst through someone's skulls and

838
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 1: eat their brains. So that's that's me as a that's

839
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 1: me as a child. Fran you still haven't seen any

840
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:29,839
Speaker 1: of the alien n correct? Oh, Iranie, Frankie, you see

841
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 1: what I'm dealing with. This is literally the reason we

842
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:35,799
Speaker 1: started this podcast. It's because I'm always yelling at frand like,

843
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 1: how have you never seen Alien? Rose? Whenever you need backup,

844
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 1: I will come up. Thank you. I I'm always happy

845
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 1: to have a sister to bully with. Yes, please absolutely?

846
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 1: So okay, Alien is also in your kind of like

847
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 1: canon of alien things that you love? What other kind

848
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 1: of alien sci fi shows you? We know you love

849
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 1: Star Trek, right, yeah, Star Trek, Harry Potter, you know

850
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:09,399
Speaker 1: all of them, just like yeah, Jurassic Yeah, my velociraptor

851
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 1: on the back here, um yeah, and the next mice,

852
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:14,359
Speaker 1: next Star Trek. My next tattoo is the Star Trek

853
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 1: and singing it's going to go here. But I just

854
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 1: haven't had time. I had a lot of panic over

855
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 1: which enterprise to get because there have been so many

856
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 1: throughout the years of Star Trek. But I'm going og

857
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 1: and we're going with NCC seventeen oh one. Okay, we're doing.

858
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 1: I do have to show my ass a little and

859
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:34,880
Speaker 1: say that Star Trek is kind of my one cultural

860
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 1: blind spot I have never engaged. So can you like

861
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 1: top line it for us? Like, what is Star Trek?

862
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 1: What do you love about it? Okay, so Star Trek

863
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 1: my mother was obsessed with it when she was a kid,

864
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 1: so she grew me, grew me up on the originals,

865
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 1: you know, with William Shatner and Spock and o'hura, and

866
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 1: you know, there were just these amazing, amazing, unbelievably like

867
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 1: iconic characters that like when they re booted Star Trek,

868
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 1: they was still just as iconic. Like I was like,

869
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 1: oh wow, Chris Pine and Zoe Saldana and Zachary Quinto

870
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 1: are doing such a good job of the writing of

871
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 1: the characters is just so compelling, and the way that

872
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:15,439
Speaker 1: they work together to solve problems. It is way more

873
00:50:15,840 --> 00:50:19,319
Speaker 1: of like a we need a full team kind of

874
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 1: show than Star Wars is and Star Wars you don't

875
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 1: really need a team you just yea yeah exactly, whereas

876
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 1: in Star Trek it's like, no, we need Scottie Ohura

877
00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:32,799
Speaker 1: bones Kirk, and we need McCoy and we need all

878
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:35,719
Speaker 1: of them in order to get through the situation. So

879
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:38,720
Speaker 1: I really liked that team building aspect of it, and

880
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:41,719
Speaker 1: I would say, honestly, like just start with Star Trek

881
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:44,880
Speaker 1: Discovery because that's the newest one. It is on Paramount

882
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:49,279
Speaker 1: Plus and it is so queer, like they have an

883
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 1: openly gay couple on the show. They have the first

884
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 1: I believe non binary presenting character on the show or

885
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:00,839
Speaker 1: actor for which is the qualification and of it. It's

886
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 1: both both presenting an actor I believe um on the show,

887
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 1: and it's just so if I watch it now and

888
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:09,279
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, this is this is the

889
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 1: world I want to live in. This is the world. Yeah,

890
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 1: I've heard amazing things about it like it really sounds incredible.

891
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 1: Um yeah, does that you would like it? If you

892
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 1: like Mandalorian, you would like Kyle jump in? When you

893
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 1: if you jump in? Do you do I have to

894
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 1: like read a wiki or do they summarize? Okay, great love,

895
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:27,840
Speaker 1: No to start episode one of Discovery. You'll be fine.

896
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 1: There are there are no real references to the rest

897
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:32,280
Speaker 1: of the world. You might miss a couple of things,

898
00:51:32,360 --> 00:51:35,880
Speaker 1: but it's like little easter eggs and stuff. Correct exactly,

899
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:37,359
Speaker 1: You're not going to be like well, and of course

900
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 1: Michelle Yo is on it. Hello, Hello, Oscar winning legend,

901
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 1: Oscar winning legend Michelle Yo on season one and two

902
00:51:45,040 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 1: of Star Trek Discovery get into it, and she's incredible.

903
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 1: Corn it incredible. I'm gonna say, Michelle Yo, thank you

904
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 1: for that. Thank you so much. Okay, so I think

905
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:02,400
Speaker 1: we need to like while we have you here, we

906
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 1: know that you love Lord of the Rings, and like

907
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 1: Lord of the Rings is, we come back to it

908
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 1: time and time again many podcast because we love it

909
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:13,200
Speaker 1: so much. So okay, who okay, are you a hobbit?

910
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 1: Are you an elf? Are you a wizard? Are you

911
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 1: an orc? Are you an urquai? Oh? So good? Well,

912
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 1: first of all, I'm wearing my one ring from New

913
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 1: Zealand where I went to get it forged at Jens

914
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:27,480
Speaker 1: Hansen where they made the rings for the movie. So

915
00:52:27,560 --> 00:52:32,440
Speaker 1: I am a you are, and i've if you liked

916
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:34,319
Speaker 1: jar Jar, and then I have to do some me gold.

917
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:43,839
Speaker 1: It's okay, here we go, Okay, here we am some where?

918
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 1: Does it cross master hurtss masters to re tricks, retur

919
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:07,839
Speaker 1: stupid little Oh my god, did Andy serkis just like

920
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 1: drop into the zoom call? Yeah? I've dreamed that one

921
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:15,440
Speaker 1: day I would get to play that role, because we

922
00:53:15,480 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 1: know he's not doing it anymore. Oh my god, I

923
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 1: think you will. Okay. I think we need like a

924
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 1: sort of Titanique version of Lord of the Rings. Okay, wait,

925
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 1: hot tea, I just heard that they're bringing a Lord

926
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 1: of the Rings musical to London. I don't I did

927
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 1: not get my phone call yet, but if you're listening,

928
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:33,280
Speaker 1: anyone that's involved there, Oh my god, this the campaign begins.

929
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:37,840
Speaker 1: Now we need Frankie in a Tolkien franchise period. I

930
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 1: think you could do like a one woman show in

931
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 1: which you like share doing west Side story, play all

932
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:46,680
Speaker 1: the roles ys. Oh my God, there would be incredible.

933
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:49,760
Speaker 1: Um So I guess I a war and I guess

934
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:52,560
Speaker 1: I'm kind of a creature. I would say I'm a creature.

935
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 1: I've always dreamed of being a creature. That's another like

936
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 1: fun fact about me, Like I've dream of being like

937
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:04,359
Speaker 1: a CGI capture voice acting creature in a movie, you know,

938
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:06,239
Speaker 1: like I want to be grout except I want to

939
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 1: like actually say things and like act um but other

940
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 1: than that, Like, yes, I want to be a creature.

941
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 1: So I'd be a creature in that world. Okay, I

942
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:17,919
Speaker 1: love that for you. Um is the best line ever?

943
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 1: Uttered Ful of a tuk or fly you Villimes? Right,

944
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:28,359
Speaker 1: full of a tuk is pretty is pretty pretty good.

945
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say that one's pretty good. What's your favorite

946
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:35,640
Speaker 1: Lord of the Rings movie? Because there is a correct answer. Yeah,

947
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say at me, I'm kind of mad at you. Yeah,

948
00:54:40,719 --> 00:54:45,760
Speaker 1: I just I loved how epic and long and and sweeping.

949
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:50,040
Speaker 1: It was a Yeah, you're a fellowship I'm a hardcore

950
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:53,760
Speaker 1: fellowship girl. Yeah, I mean I think both are incredible.

951
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:55,919
Speaker 1: Didn't Return of the King when the Oscar it did?

952
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:59,319
Speaker 1: Yeah for best Picture? Um so maybe I'm swayed by

953
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:01,759
Speaker 1: the fact that it got all the finally got the

954
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 1: awards that it deserved. Oh my god, was not annoying,

955
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:07,919
Speaker 1: but yeah, I don't know, there's something so magical about

956
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 1: the ending, you know, the white tree of gondor the

957
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:16,719
Speaker 1: lightings of the the uh what are those called the pyres?

958
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 1: Oh Billy Boyd singing that song? Yeah? Oh the remix Diva.

959
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 1: The remix of that song is so there's like a

960
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:31,479
Speaker 1: club remix of like, I love that You're off book

961
00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 1: a man, he paused dude shadow and then out of

962
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:37,800
Speaker 1: nowhere we get a full belt thing. He's like, dude

963
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:41,279
Speaker 1: of nine, whoa, I just got that? How did you

964
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:43,880
Speaker 1: get that reverb? But yeah, that was okay. Now that

965
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 1: we're getting your musical styling, s Frankie, we have to

966
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:48,919
Speaker 1: say Rose was lucky enough to see you in TITANIEK

967
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:53,160
Speaker 1: No way I was. I saw it in December and

968
00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:59,760
Speaker 1: right before I left, and it was like the most

969
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 1: fun I've had seeing a piece of theater in years.

970
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 1: It was just so joyful and like stupid and playful

971
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 1: and fun. You were so great and I had such

972
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 1: a fantastic time. It is I think one of the

973
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 1: queerest piece of theaters in the world, and it is

974
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:26,240
Speaker 1: I've never had so much fun being in a show,

975
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:29,880
Speaker 1: like I never get a chance to be that stupid

976
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 1: at eight shows a week. Usually there's some sort of

977
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 1: some realm of you know, seriousness that has involved And

978
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:37,919
Speaker 1: that was literally just fun and laughing the whole time.

979
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:41,280
Speaker 1: And I love that cast so much. I mean, Marlon Mondel,

980
00:56:41,360 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 1: like what a genius as icon legend star a genius

981
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 1: so and the fact that she changes the show every

982
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 1: night and does the improv differently like it just it

983
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:52,839
Speaker 1: always kept us on her toes and it was great.

984
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:55,400
Speaker 1: I will tell you it is the hardest show I

985
00:56:55,440 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 1: have ever done in my life in what way physically, uh,

986
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 1: physically and vocally because you know, we're singing those celine

987
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 1: down songs like my my big note is like a

988
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:13,120
Speaker 1: sp and uh you know the stairs girl tap dancing

989
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:19,000
Speaker 1: up and down those stairs honey with around Really I was, yeah,

990
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 1: I was doing things. It was full and anything goes honey. Um.

991
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 1: So yeah. And we had started on a on a

992
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:28,120
Speaker 1: cement deck before we got to that beautiful dow Row theater.

993
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 1: We were doing it for like six months on cement,

994
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:34,000
Speaker 1: so my body was just dead. Um. But I'm looking

995
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 1: forward to going back for whatever the next whatever the

996
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:40,880
Speaker 1: transfer is, whatever the next uh incarnation is, I will

997
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 1: be back playing Victor Garber. Is there an Ewok emerging

998
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:47,640
Speaker 1: onto screen right now? What's Yoh my god? Oh what's

999
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 1: her name? What's their name? And pronouns apace, we love,

1000
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 1: Agenda is agender, we love, we love Opa and um yes,

1001
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 1: he does definitely look like a little Ewok and he's

1002
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:03,240
Speaker 1: Apa from Avatar the Last Airbender, so he's my little

1003
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 1: sky god. I love Avatar the Last Airbender. That was

1004
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 1: early COVID like, like, yes, April twenty twenty, I watched

1005
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 1: Avatar for the first time, and I think, to this

1006
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 1: day it's like one of the best most um like

1007
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:23,440
Speaker 1: cohesive pieces of fantasy media I've ever experienced. Yes, and

1008
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:26,520
Speaker 1: I'm actually excited for the live action because they have

1009
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 1: said that they're doing the exact plot of the cartoon,

1010
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 1: like they're not debating. Yeah, so that makes me happy,

1011
00:58:33,840 --> 00:58:35,959
Speaker 1: Like we're gonna get you know, angg and we're gonna

1012
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 1: get tough, and we're gonna get you know, like the

1013
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:42,000
Speaker 1: real the real OG characters. So with the same plot,

1014
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:44,760
Speaker 1: which is great, what kind of bender would you want

1015
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:48,440
Speaker 1: to be. Oh, I'm an airbender. Okay, I see that.

1016
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:51,919
Speaker 1: I'm an abder because I want to fly, y'all. And

1017
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:55,320
Speaker 1: I am fast moving and I you know, am kind

1018
00:58:55,320 --> 00:58:59,120
Speaker 1: of playful. Um, I can have centered energy. I'm definitely

1019
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:01,760
Speaker 1: not a fire bill older Um, definitely not an Earth

1020
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:05,600
Speaker 1: I'm not grounded enough for Earth. I am not angry

1021
00:59:05,680 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 1: enough for fire um. And I mean, I guess there

1022
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 1: could be a very strong case made for me being

1023
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 1: a water bender, but I think I'm I see era

1024
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:15,520
Speaker 1: as well. And honestly, I love what you said about

1025
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 1: just like this, this reboot. There's this thing happening in

1026
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:19,960
Speaker 1: like nostalgic reboots right now where it's just like a

1027
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:22,280
Speaker 1: lot of people aren't getting it right, and I feel like,

1028
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:24,920
Speaker 1: what the what the kids want is a shot by

1029
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:28,400
Speaker 1: shot remake like Rose and I just watched that trailer

1030
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:30,440
Speaker 1: for The Little Mermaid or whatever, and I was just like,

1031
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 1: damn like shot by shot, like that shot. I want

1032
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 1: to see when she comes out of the shed. They

1033
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 1: had to nail it, they had to nail it exactly,

1034
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:42,680
Speaker 1: and they did. And I'm a little nervous about the CGI.

1035
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 1: I think I look a little crazy. I am too,

1036
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:48,440
Speaker 1: like Um, why does Sebastian look like he's trying to

1037
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:52,680
Speaker 1: sell me a crabby patty? Yeah, I'm slightly nervous, but

1038
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't, I will, I will. This is

1039
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:57,120
Speaker 1: also a very like I'm in my thirties take, but

1040
00:59:57,160 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 1: like it also looks very dark, like I'm going to

1041
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 1: be squinting a lot during the underwater scenes like it's

1042
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:06,160
Speaker 1: giving Game of Throne season eighty or you know um

1043
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:11,080
Speaker 1: that ye. Can you believe that they were released an

1044
01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:15,240
Speaker 1: episode without color correcting it, like, baby, turn the brightness up,

1045
01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:18,760
Speaker 1: they give me some contrast. They legit did not color

1046
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 1: correct an episode and then they they aired it without

1047
01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:23,960
Speaker 1: color correction. No one would see anything, and then they

1048
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 1: changed it before they put it on. It was on accident.

1049
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:29,760
Speaker 1: I didn't know that I had to watch it. I

1050
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:33,480
Speaker 1: had to watch season eight with night vision goggles. Legitimately,

1051
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:36,440
Speaker 1: they just weren't. They didn't have enough time to get

1052
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:40,440
Speaker 1: everything you know, um out in time, so they just

1053
01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:42,720
Speaker 1: were like, you can put it on and then they

1054
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 1: were like we'll fix it after. And then literally we

1055
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:48,760
Speaker 1: were like, well and it showed um yeah, or it didn't.

1056
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:52,360
Speaker 1: I guess crazy. My mother was in Where was my

1057
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:55,440
Speaker 1: mother that she couldn't watch it live. Um, I don't know,

1058
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:58,720
Speaker 1: maybe London or something and I or you know, I

1059
01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:00,280
Speaker 1: don't know. Maybe she was on tour of my sister.

1060
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:02,480
Speaker 1: But anyway, wherever she was, I had to I face

1061
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:06,680
Speaker 1: timed her to watch it together. So she really, Oh

1062
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:08,280
Speaker 1: my god, we need to get your mama. We need

1063
01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:12,200
Speaker 1: to get your mom a VPN or something like, yeah,

1064
01:01:12,240 --> 01:01:14,680
Speaker 1: we have figured it out. We see we can VPN.

1065
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:17,200
Speaker 1: We vpned on this side for Downton Abbey and we

1066
01:01:17,240 --> 01:01:21,240
Speaker 1: watched that together. Don't get roads started, No, get me

1067
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:25,800
Speaker 1: started on Downton Abbey. Did you see a New Era

1068
01:01:26,080 --> 01:01:28,680
Speaker 1: also known as the best film of twenty twenty two?

1069
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 1: Of course I did, of course I did. Wait. Frankie's

1070
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:35,080
Speaker 1: sprawling knowledge of nerd culture is like you are high

1071
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:37,640
Speaker 1: key like moving your way into like like a virgin

1072
01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:41,840
Speaker 1: correspondent kind of territory, Like, yeah, I think we found

1073
01:01:41,840 --> 01:02:01,640
Speaker 1: a filt. I can't wait. I accept. Throughout the this

1074
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:03,800
Speaker 1: whole kind of chat we've been having, I keep hearing

1075
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:06,920
Speaker 1: your mom like coming in through and through. So your

1076
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:09,640
Speaker 1: mom is also a nerd? Is that kind of Did

1077
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:12,080
Speaker 1: she induct you into Star Wars or did you choose

1078
01:02:12,120 --> 01:02:16,720
Speaker 1: this life. She inducted me. But it was, you know,

1079
01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 1: it's that thing where like that's why I'm you know,

1080
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:21,800
Speaker 1: love makeup and dancing and all of that stuff, because

1081
01:02:21,960 --> 01:02:26,360
Speaker 1: she was simultaneously introducing me to Madonna, star Wars, star Trek,

1082
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:31,560
Speaker 1: Whitney Share and you know whatever else there was letting

1083
01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:35,920
Speaker 1: me have my rocks off with my little Vultron. Oh yes, Vultron.

1084
01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:38,680
Speaker 1: So you know, it was she did a really good

1085
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:41,320
Speaker 1: job of raising me with um all of the grade

1086
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:44,680
Speaker 1: eighties pop culture references, very very well rounded, and I

1087
01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:47,000
Speaker 1: gravitated towards s and l we were watching, you know,

1088
01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:49,720
Speaker 1: like Hannah Rosanna Danna, you know when I was a kid.

1089
01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:53,520
Speaker 1: So she gave me a really good, well rounded pop

1090
01:02:53,640 --> 01:02:57,720
Speaker 1: education as a I mean, which is so important. Yeah,

1091
01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:00,000
Speaker 1: I do. I think maybe the person I haven't said,

1092
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:02,720
Speaker 1: you know that's why I'm so universe and my likes

1093
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:05,680
Speaker 1: and my you know, things that I like to share

1094
01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:07,360
Speaker 1: with the world and also lit things that I enjoy me.

1095
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:09,760
Speaker 1: I mean, your whole obviously, your whole family is iconic,

1096
01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:12,720
Speaker 1: but like your mom sounds particularly iconic. Like I wish

1097
01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:14,480
Speaker 1: I had like a mom like that because I grew

1098
01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:17,040
Speaker 1: up kind of opposite as like all the virgins already know,

1099
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:21,160
Speaker 1: like cultural vacuum, like very protected, like very like kind

1100
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:23,720
Speaker 1: of boring suburban life that like, you know, I didn't

1101
01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:25,880
Speaker 1: experience all these things, which is why I'm being inducted

1102
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:28,480
Speaker 1: into all of them. Now. Oh so you're yes to

1103
01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:31,560
Speaker 1: some extent. Yes, we switch roles sometimes sometimes the guests

1104
01:03:31,560 --> 01:03:33,840
Speaker 1: the virgin, you know, we we play tag. But yes,

1105
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:36,240
Speaker 1: the conceit of the podcast was that I was the

1106
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:38,360
Speaker 1: virgin and still am. I've I've never had sex, and

1107
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:44,800
Speaker 1: then I'm the horror Yeah yeah, and I'm yeah, I

1108
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:48,600
Speaker 1: see that for you. Um, So we would be remiss

1109
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:50,760
Speaker 1: as not to talk about horror because you do have

1110
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:56,200
Speaker 1: an upcoming project and Rose and I are definitely horror buffs,

1111
01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:58,640
Speaker 1: maybe more so Rose than I. Um but I have

1112
01:03:58,760 --> 01:04:01,000
Speaker 1: really gotten into horror, like the last four or five

1113
01:04:01,080 --> 01:04:03,960
Speaker 1: years or so. Do you have favorite horror movies or

1114
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:08,200
Speaker 1: like things that were the impetus to your horror journey. So,

1115
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:12,000
Speaker 1: as a kid, it was Chucky scared the shit out

1116
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:15,320
Speaker 1: of me, like absolutely terrified me to the point of

1117
01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:18,560
Speaker 1: where like I didn't sleep for like months, and for

1118
01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:22,440
Speaker 1: some reason that was extremely attractive to me. I thought

1119
01:04:22,520 --> 01:04:25,520
Speaker 1: that was awesome that I was scared shitless at seven

1120
01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:28,680
Speaker 1: years old. So again, my mother, seven years old, let's

1121
01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:32,160
Speaker 1: go see child's play. We saw. She showed me the omen.

1122
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:36,439
Speaker 1: She showed me pet cemetery, cemetery, Zelda, Oh my god,

1123
01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:40,960
Speaker 1: so horrifying, exactly dark shadows. Like I was a kid

1124
01:04:41,240 --> 01:04:44,600
Speaker 1: again with a full rell, well rounded pop culture education,

1125
01:04:44,640 --> 01:04:47,480
Speaker 1: and horror was definitely on the top of the docket.

1126
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:50,360
Speaker 1: And so it just kind of made me obsessed with

1127
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:52,560
Speaker 1: horror for the rest of my life. And I think,

1128
01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:55,880
Speaker 1: you know, I'm a big James One fan, so I

1129
01:04:55,960 --> 01:05:00,960
Speaker 1: love you know, Incidius and Cidius two, Conjuring U Malignant,

1130
01:05:01,040 --> 01:05:03,400
Speaker 1: like those kind of films. I'm a huge James One fan.

1131
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:05,680
Speaker 1: I think he's great. And you know, basically anything A

1132
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:08,560
Speaker 1: twenty four I will consume these days. I mean I'll

1133
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:13,560
Speaker 1: watch anything We're Nicole Kidman's name, Like that's the chick

1134
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:15,960
Speaker 1: i'd switch for. I'm pretty sure that's the thing. Like

1135
01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:20,400
Speaker 1: I find Nicole Kidman to be the hottest person on

1136
01:05:20,440 --> 01:05:23,880
Speaker 1: the entire earth. I am obsessed with Nicole Kinman. I

1137
01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:26,600
Speaker 1: think she's so beautiful and everything that she does. Are

1138
01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:28,240
Speaker 1: you a little by or it's just just by for

1139
01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:33,760
Speaker 1: Nico Kidman, not no whatever. I don't know how the

1140
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:36,240
Speaker 1: Kinsey skill works, but I know you're like very far.

1141
01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:41,440
Speaker 1: Yes exactly I am. I am a point ooo three percent. No,

1142
01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:43,680
Speaker 1: when you say you would like go, when you say

1143
01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:46,120
Speaker 1: you love Nicole Kinman, you mean like you can recite

1144
01:05:46,120 --> 01:05:49,240
Speaker 1: the AMC monologue like not that exactly want to touch

1145
01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:54,040
Speaker 1: her boobs? No, like because here, you know, like I

1146
01:05:54,080 --> 01:05:56,800
Speaker 1: love that woman so much, and I love her fashion,

1147
01:05:56,840 --> 01:05:58,360
Speaker 1: and I love watching her on a red carpet and

1148
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:00,800
Speaker 1: I think she's just so fascinating and and she is

1149
01:06:00,840 --> 01:06:04,520
Speaker 1: the one celebrity that I have met that I that

1150
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:09,280
Speaker 1: I flubbed. I flugged meeting I was. We were at

1151
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:12,200
Speaker 1: a Broadway show opening and I was at the bar

1152
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:14,520
Speaker 1: like getting a drink, and she was next to me

1153
01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:17,400
Speaker 1: and I looked and I went oh, and she went

1154
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:23,160
Speaker 1: and the right and she walked away, and I was like, no,

1155
01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:31,160
Speaker 1: that sparking diamond. Did you did a fiara? I did?

1156
01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:35,800
Speaker 1: I was so mad at myself because I had so

1157
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:38,400
Speaker 1: many and I usually like, I'm so good with celebrities

1158
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:41,400
Speaker 1: and I and I always come with like the unconventional thing,

1159
01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:43,960
Speaker 1: you know, like when I met Sigourney Weaver, even though

1160
01:06:43,960 --> 01:06:46,760
Speaker 1: I have an Aliens tattoo, I said, I loved you

1161
01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:50,680
Speaker 1: in Heartbreakers because Florida, and you know what I'm saying.

1162
01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:53,840
Speaker 1: I was like, you're a comedian personal five device she was,

1163
01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:56,800
Speaker 1: and she like, I was like, she wanted to talk

1164
01:06:56,800 --> 01:06:58,840
Speaker 1: to me for three hours because that's the way I

1165
01:06:59,080 --> 01:07:01,040
Speaker 1: entered with her, and I wasn't, like, Hi, I love

1166
01:07:01,160 --> 01:07:04,360
Speaker 1: alien and she was great. Another one of them. So

1167
01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:07,320
Speaker 1: I always have something fun to say to celebrity when

1168
01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:10,040
Speaker 1: I meet them, and I had nothing. I was completely

1169
01:07:10,120 --> 01:07:12,920
Speaker 1: unprepared for Nicole Kidman. And one day maybe this will

1170
01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:14,280
Speaker 1: be the funny thing that I get to tell her.

1171
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:17,040
Speaker 1: But as far as I know, she's the only one

1172
01:07:17,080 --> 01:07:19,840
Speaker 1: that I've flubbed the meeting. Rose and I are definitely

1173
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:22,880
Speaker 1: you know, lighting a candle for your one day, uh,

1174
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:27,160
Speaker 1: you know one, Nicole, putting you in my prayers. Okay,

1175
01:07:27,240 --> 01:07:30,040
Speaker 1: we're gonna role play a little bit, so right now

1176
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:33,480
Speaker 1: I am Nicole Kidman. Okay, no, oh my god. Okay,

1177
01:07:34,160 --> 01:07:36,080
Speaker 1: see even this is making me nervous and she's not

1178
01:07:36,200 --> 01:07:40,680
Speaker 1: even here. She's here. It's me. Let's see what say

1179
01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:45,480
Speaker 1: of Tim Nicole Kidman in this place magic. Yeah we are. Um,

1180
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:48,120
Speaker 1: I would just say Hi, I just want to I

1181
01:07:48,560 --> 01:07:50,960
Speaker 1: want to tell you that, Um, you know, I've been

1182
01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:53,560
Speaker 1: You're the only person in my entire life that I

1183
01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:58,000
Speaker 1: actually have made me speechless because you and your work

1184
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:02,160
Speaker 1: so much and you have really inspired me to be

1185
01:08:02,440 --> 01:08:08,120
Speaker 1: even more of a faggot. Thank you off. Yeah, I

1186
01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:13,040
Speaker 1: love that. I can't do I can't really do it either.

1187
01:08:14,080 --> 01:08:18,519
Speaker 1: On the hand, maybe what continental she really? It's funny

1188
01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:23,240
Speaker 1: because she has, like you know, been in every decade,

1189
01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:25,679
Speaker 1: every half decade of our lives, like she has had

1190
01:08:25,840 --> 01:08:29,680
Speaker 1: like prevalent pictures, prep like blockbusters, like iconic performances that

1191
01:08:29,800 --> 01:08:33,599
Speaker 1: just like raised us, like Nicole Kimman raised us period. Right,

1192
01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:35,760
Speaker 1: I don't know what that one thing is. Yeah, I

1193
01:08:35,800 --> 01:08:37,439
Speaker 1: don't know what that one thing is that I would

1194
01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:40,120
Speaker 1: be like, this is the thing where we start the conversation. Yeah,

1195
01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:42,240
Speaker 1: what would you so? I got to think about this. Oh,

1196
01:08:42,320 --> 01:08:44,640
Speaker 1: for me, it would be practical magic, like that is

1197
01:08:45,080 --> 01:08:48,040
Speaker 1: we you know, you know that is like in many ways,

1198
01:08:48,160 --> 01:08:51,320
Speaker 1: my ultimate origin story is practical magic. And if I

1199
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:55,000
Speaker 1: ever met Nicole. Have I met Nicole? No, I haven't.

1200
01:08:55,160 --> 01:09:00,120
Speaker 1: If I did, I would um just tell her like

1201
01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:03,400
Speaker 1: you are the reason I'm a redhead or something. Yeah. Yeah,

1202
01:09:03,400 --> 01:09:06,840
Speaker 1: oh I love that. That's a great entrance. Setine is

1203
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:09,720
Speaker 1: really what started it for me. It really was when

1204
01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:12,840
Speaker 1: she descended from that ceiling, everything changed. It was over.

1205
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:15,240
Speaker 1: It was over for me. How you just realized? You know?

1206
01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:17,599
Speaker 1: But does she know? Does she know she's a gay icon?

1207
01:09:17,760 --> 01:09:20,960
Speaker 1: I hope she Yeah, I think she knows. Does she know?

1208
01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:23,760
Speaker 1: Do enough gay people tell her that? I really? I

1209
01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:26,400
Speaker 1: think so? The way she was acting on the Oscars

1210
01:09:26,439 --> 01:09:31,560
Speaker 1: Red Carpet, Yeah, I think she knows. Yeah. And the

1211
01:09:32,040 --> 01:09:34,800
Speaker 1: the AMC now is getting the sequel? Did we hear this? Yes?

1212
01:09:35,040 --> 01:09:37,639
Speaker 1: I'm worried about it because like, of course I want more,

1213
01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:40,960
Speaker 1: but I also don't know that anything can compare to

1214
01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:44,400
Speaker 1: the original because it was so It's like it was

1215
01:09:44,520 --> 01:09:47,080
Speaker 1: like naive camp, you know, like they didn't go into

1216
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:50,439
Speaker 1: it hoping to make something like that. And so now

1217
01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:54,240
Speaker 1: the Camp Camp now, yeah, but are they going to

1218
01:09:54,280 --> 01:09:57,120
Speaker 1: do that right? Like will AMC do Camp Camp? Right?

1219
01:09:57,320 --> 01:09:59,640
Speaker 1: You know, Camp and its purest forum is unaware of

1220
01:09:59,680 --> 01:10:01,679
Speaker 1: itself and that's why the first commercial was so great.

1221
01:10:01,720 --> 01:10:03,559
Speaker 1: So when it's aware of itself, then it's like drag

1222
01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:06,320
Speaker 1: Race you know, or like just camp that's like aware

1223
01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:08,479
Speaker 1: of it whatever. But like you know, it doesn't matter

1224
01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:10,960
Speaker 1: because we're going to recite that and memorize that too.

1225
01:10:11,240 --> 01:10:13,240
Speaker 1: You know, I know they should have hired us to

1226
01:10:13,280 --> 01:10:16,479
Speaker 1: write the sequel. Yes, honestly, well, Rose and I joke

1227
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:20,920
Speaker 1: that Nicole Kidman herself did write, direct and pitch the

1228
01:10:21,040 --> 01:10:25,639
Speaker 1: AMC commercial herself. Yeah, much like Shaer doing West Side Story.

1229
01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:28,479
Speaker 1: She was. She was like the big boys. She did

1230
01:10:28,560 --> 01:10:32,879
Speaker 1: the grip. She was in the editing room doing everything. Yep, exactly.

1231
01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:35,200
Speaker 1: I mean does that first shot with the heels and

1232
01:10:35,280 --> 01:10:38,680
Speaker 1: the puddle. It's just she also sewed the jumpsuit. She

1233
01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:41,240
Speaker 1: sewed that jumpsuit. She was ryan stoning that thing. She

1234
01:10:41,439 --> 01:10:44,800
Speaker 1: was like, she was like doing a drag race, drag

1235
01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:50,439
Speaker 1: race unconventional materials challenge. She certainly was, Oh my god, Yeah,

1236
01:10:50,520 --> 01:10:53,160
Speaker 1: she's my everything. One day, I gotta work on the

1237
01:10:53,439 --> 01:10:55,160
Speaker 1: Nicole Kidman pinch of it all. I gotta do it. Well.

1238
01:10:55,200 --> 01:10:58,639
Speaker 1: Hopefully this Selt therapy was was good for you. Yeah, yes,

1239
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:00,439
Speaker 1: we're putting it out into the unit. So that's going

1240
01:11:00,520 --> 01:11:03,000
Speaker 1: to hop in. Okay, Um, so we have to ask

1241
01:11:03,040 --> 01:11:08,880
Speaker 1: you to tell us about your upcoming project Summoning Sylvia. Yay, yeah, okay. Um,

1242
01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:11,200
Speaker 1: speaking of Naive Camp, I don't know if it's naive

1243
01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:13,240
Speaker 1: Camp or camp camp, so but I will will. I

1244
01:11:13,680 --> 01:11:15,439
Speaker 1: don't think I'm the one to say I think it's

1245
01:11:15,520 --> 01:11:18,560
Speaker 1: that's supposed to be. Society has decide what that is.

1246
01:11:18,680 --> 01:11:23,840
Speaker 1: But um, it's pretty campy uh. It is a gay extravaganza.

1247
01:11:23,920 --> 01:11:27,360
Speaker 1: So it is a gay bachelor weekend where we take

1248
01:11:27,439 --> 01:11:30,320
Speaker 1: our best friend up to upstate New York where we

1249
01:11:30,400 --> 01:11:34,000
Speaker 1: rent a haunted house and my character Nico decides to

1250
01:11:34,160 --> 01:11:38,040
Speaker 1: have a seance to summon the owner of the house

1251
01:11:38,120 --> 01:11:40,639
Speaker 1: the ghost that is believed to be haunting this house,

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Speaker 1: and then you know, insanity ensues from there. It is

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Speaker 1: an all LGBTQ plus leading cast, director, writer, creator, producer.

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Speaker 1: So um, it's just I think something that will hopefully

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Speaker 1: go down in queer film history one day, as as

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Speaker 1: as something that you know was entirely lgbt Q plus.

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Speaker 1: You know, we're definitely seeing and I have to applaud

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Speaker 1: things like Knock at the Cabin that are like giving

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Speaker 1: us these amazing queer characters in horror. But it's definitely

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Speaker 1: the exception and not the norm. And we're always the

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Speaker 1: first people to die. Still, you know, like there's still

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Speaker 1: no those stereotypes that I hope that this movie will

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Speaker 1: kind of break break for the world and hopefully people

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Speaker 1: will see it and be like, oh cool, we can

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Speaker 1: have an all queer movie and it could be for

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Speaker 1: everybody and it'll be great. Isooky, spooky or there thrills

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Speaker 1: and chills. So I'm going to put it in the

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Speaker 1: category of following comedy, thriller, horror, So in those in

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Speaker 1: that order, okay, yeah, in that order is how I

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Speaker 1: would put it. If you're a crazy horror fan and

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Speaker 1: you go, you might be like, well that wasn't horror.

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Speaker 1: But if you're terrified of horror, absolutely you can go.

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Speaker 1: So this is for most of My mom will be terrified,

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Speaker 1: I mean, but I don't know. She'll get a couple

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Speaker 1: of jump scares, but no, I think of the overall

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Speaker 1: should like oh, so, would you say it's maybe in

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Speaker 1: like the Megan category of films? Yes, absolutely, great, great analogy.

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Speaker 1: We love a comp I wish we had killing a

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Speaker 1: murder robot in ours, but well maybe in the sequel, yes, exactly,

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Speaker 1: maybe there will be. In Summoning Sylvia, I'm like kind

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01:13:19,040 --> 01:13:21,840
Speaker 1: of like racking my brain. There really are not enough

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Speaker 1: like gay horror thriller kind of moments. Like I feel

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Speaker 1: like it's like what is that. It's because like you know,

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01:13:28,560 --> 01:13:30,720
Speaker 1: this kind of like genre of films is already so

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Speaker 1: like relegated outside of like awards stuff and like not

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Speaker 1: considered serious genres, et cetera. Like you would think that

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Speaker 1: it would have more autonomy to like be super queer,

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Speaker 1: supertrans or whatever. But I don't know, are there any

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Speaker 1: other kind of like gay horror stuff like you said

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Speaker 1: knock to the cabin, but is there anything else? So

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01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:53,160
Speaker 1: much of it is coded and not correctplicit rank you thanks, silence,

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01:13:55,080 --> 01:14:00,519
Speaker 1: coded not explicit. Um often where the problematic character rather

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Speaker 1: than the solution solvers, if you will, you know, the

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Speaker 1: weird ones, um, you know, the odd balls. So it's

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Speaker 1: nice to just be us in a movie and be

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Speaker 1: able to just exist as gay people without it being

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Speaker 1: you know, so heavy handed or like have such a

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Speaker 1: large agenda. Our agenda is let's create a film with

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Speaker 1: all gay people and make it for everybody. But that's

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Speaker 1: our that's only agenda week that and also indoctrinate the

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Speaker 1: world into homosexuality, so that one day we are all well, yes,

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01:14:29,720 --> 01:14:32,040
Speaker 1: of course, yes exactly, so that you know drag queens

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Speaker 1: can come through. Yeah. Um, Frankie, do you believe in ghosts? Um?

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Speaker 1: I I think I don't know. I go in and

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Speaker 1: out because I feel like at this point in my

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Speaker 1: life I probably would have had more for real experience,

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Speaker 1: but um, apparently I don't. There's not I can't really

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Speaker 1: talk about this, but I think my husband and I

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Speaker 1: are going to be put into a kind of environment

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Speaker 1: with ghosts coming up that is supposed to be okay,

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Speaker 1: continue so something. There is a project that we're working

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Speaker 1: on that might put me and my husband in a

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Speaker 1: ghost place. So I might have a different opinion moving forward,

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Speaker 1: but for now I feel like I don't have enough

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Speaker 1: empirical evidence to support this. That is like the best

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Speaker 1: like celeb like you know, I can't say it, but

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it. She's like, I will be put

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Speaker 1: in a place one day with ghosts. I can't say where,

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Speaker 1: I can't say when. So random I know that is

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Speaker 1: We're gonna have to redact that moment about the ghost.

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure my fathers is going to be like,

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Speaker 1: what the fucker like you? It's fine, just let him merit.

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Speaker 1: It's cool. So, yes, I don't know. I'm looking forward

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Speaker 1: to getting a little bit more information on that. I

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Speaker 1: think as a kid, I was way, way, way more

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Speaker 1: open to this, and I think that it is something

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Speaker 1: where maybe like throughout your life, you can become more

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01:15:55,600 --> 01:15:58,799
Speaker 1: a tune aware, open, and then you can close yourself

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Speaker 1: off and be like no, that was just the air

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01:16:01,120 --> 01:16:04,920
Speaker 1: conditioning where it's literally like one of your spirit being like, yo,

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Speaker 1: what's good. Don't go driving tomorrow, like you know, whatever

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Speaker 1: it is. Um So yeah, I think there it remains

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Speaker 1: to be seen, rights to be right now, I'm chilling.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that there are ghosts are at the moment,

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Speaker 1: but I do enjoy the idea of um spirits being

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Speaker 1: a part of my data people watching over you. I

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Speaker 1: like that. That is nice, that's comforting. You will definitely

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Speaker 1: have to get back to us though, if you discover

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Speaker 1: concrete evidence the ghost surreal. Yeah, yeah, we want we

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