1 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:05,040 Speaker 1: I'm Matt Miller and I'm Hannah Elliott, and this is 2 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: hot pursuit. 3 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 2: All right. Today on the show, the headline story is 4 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:19,440 Speaker 2: gonna be the Porsche nine to eleven st to Anadro 5 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 2: last week, so she's gonna tell us all about it. 6 00:00:22,600 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 2: We're also gonna talk about the Tesla recalls, which I 7 00:00:27,120 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 2: think are fascinating for a couple of reasons. I normally 8 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 2: think recalls get too much attention. Yeah, but this one 9 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:38,360 Speaker 2: I think is really interesting. And because it's kind of Tesla, 10 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:42,159 Speaker 2: they made the cyber truck, it ties into the lightning story. 11 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:44,239 Speaker 2: The Ford lightning story, I think is fascinating. So we're 12 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 2: gonna talk about that with the Tesla story. And finally 13 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 2: we're gonna talk about the seeming slowdown of ev demand 14 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 2: is told through the Jelie story that a great writer 15 00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 2: for US in Berlin wrote an opinion piece about Chris 16 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 2: Bryant is always on top of these car stories for 17 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 2: opinion from a financial perspective. And also Jelly has built 18 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 2: this massive empire that I didn't some of them. I 19 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:11,960 Speaker 2: didn't even know about it. 20 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 3: I know it's really interesting. 21 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 2: So Chese, a Chinese billionaire, owns at least one brand 22 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 2: that you probably want because he has so many. So 23 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 2: let's kick it off with the nine to eleven story though, Hannah. 24 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, here's the top note, here's the headline. 25 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 2: How many different nine elevens are there? 26 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 1: By the way, there are currently twenty six for their 27 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 1: twenty six versions of the nine to ninety two, the 28 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 1: current current generation. 29 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 2: So many levels of trim it's insane. 30 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 3: I know, it's really difficult to keep straight. 31 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:42,680 Speaker 1: There are twenty six for sale, and there are a 32 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:45,679 Speaker 1: couple others that are not currently available but also in 33 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: the same generation, so it's quite a lot. And it 34 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 1: is like, you know, we've spoken about the st Obviously, 35 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 1: I was a little bit skeptical, like, do we really 36 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 1: need another one? It's not even based on a real 37 00:01:57,920 --> 00:01:59,279 Speaker 1: car that existed. 38 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 2: But still is at the top, it's exactly Yes. 39 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 1: This is the three hundred and ninety two thousand dollars 40 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 1: nine to eleven. It's extremely lightweight, and really here's what 41 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: you need to know. I loved it, and I was 42 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:15,359 Speaker 1: skeptical because of all the reasons we're discussing, like, we 43 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 1: don't need another one. It's gonna be just like all 44 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: the rest. Why do you need another of this, and 45 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 1: then that I loved it. It was so fun. 46 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:26,079 Speaker 2: I mean, even if we don't need something, yes, even 47 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 2: if we don't need this nine to eleven, but it's 48 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 2: one of the best nine to elevens Portia has ever built. 49 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 2: I'm gonna guess after you drive it, you're gonna love it. 50 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 1: Yes, But I can say this too. I've driven, you know, 51 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:39,399 Speaker 1: most of the variants. I haven't driven all twenty six 52 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:41,320 Speaker 1: of them, but you know, if you compare it to 53 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 1: a GT three or like a nine to nine to 54 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:47,799 Speaker 1: two turbos, I would say still that I would prefer 55 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 1: this at least over the GT three and even the 56 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 1: GT three Touring. And there are a couple of reasons 57 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 1: for that. The thing that I think anyone who gets 58 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:00,920 Speaker 1: in the car will notice right away is that it's 59 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 1: a manual, obviously, but it's got a super short throw 60 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 1: on the shifter, so it's six gears, super short, super quick, 61 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 1: super punchy. It just feels a lot more engaging when 62 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:17,639 Speaker 1: you drive it, if that's what you want. But it's 63 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 1: not so raw that it feels like a track car. 64 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 1: This is not a track car, doesn't come with a 65 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 1: roll cage. 66 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 2: It's like a sweet spot. 67 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:24,799 Speaker 3: That's the thing. 68 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: It is the sweet spot, because I do think the 69 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:31,880 Speaker 1: GT three it's honestly best left on the track. 70 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 3: I think I will. I don't want to drive a 71 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 3: GT three every day all day. It's just like it. 72 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 1: A lot, even a touring I wouldn't want to right exactly. 73 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 1: But the the ST really it feels analog. And I 74 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 1: don't mean that in a bad way. I mean it 75 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 1: you feel that you're engaged with the car. It's a 76 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 1: little bit louder than a GT three. I actually was 77 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 1: in a lead car for a moment that was a 78 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 1: GT three and then got back in the ST and 79 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 1: it was noticeable right away that the ST is a 80 00:03:57,840 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 1: louder car. 81 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 2: By the way. That's that's what you want, That's what 82 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 2: the that's what the Weekend Warrior wants exactly. And on 83 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 2: a track, a lot of times there are there are 84 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 2: noise limits exactly exactly. I know for motorcycles on a track, 85 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 2: people have to put in noise dB killers. 86 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 3: Yeah. 87 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 2: And but on the street, if I'm riding through Westchester, 88 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 2: I want it to be as loud as I can. 89 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, And and I don't even think that was on purpose. 90 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 1: That's a byproduct of the fact that they really did 91 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:26,279 Speaker 1: to try to lighten it up quite a bit. Even 92 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:28,840 Speaker 1: they took they put in special lightweight carpet that saved 93 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 1: four pounds, and you know, obviously carpeting helps muffle sound, 94 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 1: so some of just a natural result of making the 95 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:36,480 Speaker 1: car lighter. 96 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 2: There's no sound deadening material exactly. 97 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 3: There's not in the. 98 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 2: DT three either, but they probably have purposely made the 99 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:46,480 Speaker 2: exhaust quiet meet noise restrictions, whereas with this they have 100 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:49,160 Speaker 2: flow cats and probably like basically straight pipes on. 101 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, and man, I was in that car for like 102 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: eight It was a very long day of We started 103 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 1: in Napa and then drove through the wet redwoods up 104 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: the coast, up the one oh one, ended up in Mendocino, 105 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:05,720 Speaker 1: so there were and it was partially rainy that we 106 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:08,800 Speaker 1: saw sun so there was a good variety of terrain 107 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:11,600 Speaker 1: in a way, I do think. And we were even 108 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 1: on the interstate for a while too. 109 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 3: I do think. 110 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:18,479 Speaker 1: It's sometimes when you are on a straight interstate you 111 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 1: almost want a seventh gear. It's really fun on curvy, 112 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 1: windy roads you end up shifting through the gears really quickly. 113 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 1: If you don't like that, if you kind of prefer 114 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 1: a longer gear, this is not the car for you. 115 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 1: This is one that you're going to be going up 116 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:35,480 Speaker 1: and down a lot. If you're just going to be 117 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:38,280 Speaker 1: driving on interstate most of the time, you're gonna want 118 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 1: a seventh gear and this car doesn't have it. 119 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:42,839 Speaker 2: So you show the GT three as well. The funny 120 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 2: thing is, in my career I had a nine to 121 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:49,599 Speaker 2: nine to one one s and I always felt like, 122 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 2: why do I have the seventh gear? I don't need this? 123 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:54,159 Speaker 2: But then yeah, buddy, I would always drive his GT 124 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 2: three touring and I would be like, you need a set. 125 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's where you really feel it. 126 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 1: I mean, it kind of depends on what kind of 127 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: driving you want to do. The other thing that I 128 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: thought was interesting was the fact that it comes with 129 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:11,359 Speaker 1: a watch. I know you're a watch guy. This is 130 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: the accompanying thirteen thousand dollars Porsche design watch that goes 131 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:18,360 Speaker 1: with the car that you cannot get unless you also. 132 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 2: Take the car. 133 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 3: Now, to me, the watch is very cheesy. 134 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 2: But a lot of people don't like Porsche design. It's 135 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 2: pretty specific. 136 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:27,280 Speaker 3: It's very specific. 137 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 2: It reminds me of the Shprockets skit on SNL that 138 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:33,600 Speaker 2: they used to do. Yeah, it's touch my Monkey. 139 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 3: I'm not familiar with that one. I must say. I 140 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 3: must not have been born. 141 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:38,920 Speaker 2: Yet, that's possible. 142 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:39,720 Speaker 3: Yeah. 143 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:43,720 Speaker 1: The thing is, I've heard some you know, rumblings that 144 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 1: dealers are saying, well, you can't get an allocation unless 145 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 1: you commit to also buy the watch. I don't know 146 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:54,080 Speaker 1: if that's true, yeah, or just you know, some pressure 147 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:56,280 Speaker 1: or leaning on people to take the watch too. 148 00:06:57,600 --> 00:06:59,919 Speaker 3: That's strange. Yeah, I mean. 149 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 1: It which would kind of feel like an upsell a bit, right, 150 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 1: But I have to say, uh, it's such a fun car. 151 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of what else. Oh, how it 152 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 1: looks it really does? You know? There's a channeled roof 153 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 1: on it. There is a gurney flap on the end, 154 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 1: but it's real small. I do like that it doesn't 155 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 1: have a huge spoiler the air and take on the 156 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 1: front and side. 157 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 3: It looks specific and unique but not flashy, which I 158 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 3: thought was really cool. 159 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 1: I was in the Ruby Stone or Ruby Star, depending 160 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: on how you want to say it. 161 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 2: Red. 162 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 3: Oh, it's a super cool color. 163 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:39,679 Speaker 2: I do not like that color really. 164 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 1: Oh. 165 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 2: I had the Carera tea in that color. 166 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:43,239 Speaker 3: That car. 167 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 1: Just that color alone, if you try to resell it, 168 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 1: it pushes the value up. 169 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 2: It's like like Barbie, a little bit slightly dark. 170 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 3: It's a raspberry. 171 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 1: It's a raspberry pink and a pinstripe in tier, which 172 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 1: sounds really bad on paper, but it did look kind 173 00:07:57,040 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 1: of cool. 174 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 2: But you know what it is. Part of this, I 175 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 2: think is that I was just at lunch with the 176 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 2: guys who run Nika Auctions and they do obviously, they're 177 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 2: doing a massive event in Kiss Kiss Emmy at the 178 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 2: beginning of January, forty five hundred cars and a lot 179 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 2: of it's American muscle, right, they do have some Ferraris, 180 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 2: but it's mostly American muscle. And I asked them about, 181 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 2: you know, recent model cars that sell well and also 182 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 2: restomods that do well, and obviously something like a four 183 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 2: GT is going to sell well, and they said, like 184 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 2: a singer. A singer will just off the charts, right, Yeah, 185 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:38,680 Speaker 2: it's unbelievable's leaving so much money on the table, which 186 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:40,679 Speaker 2: is why they have to do like the nine to 187 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:43,959 Speaker 2: eleven R or the STV, because this is they're doing 188 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 2: singer before singer gets a hold of it. 189 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 1: Kind of yeah, I mean, I know that they do 190 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 1: watch Singer very closely and have observed that exact effect, 191 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 1: which reminds me of you know, the special Heritage delivery 192 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:57,199 Speaker 1: with the number sixty three on the side. 193 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:59,079 Speaker 2: Which is that sixty three So that was the. 194 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 3: First year of the nine eleven. 195 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 1: Of course they're going to make nineteen hundred and sixty 196 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 1: three of them. But my point with this package is 197 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: that alone is a twenty thousand dollars upgrade as well. 198 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:12,440 Speaker 1: So to your point, Matt, they're just you know, Portia 199 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 1: is offering more and more options to make the cars 200 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 1: super specific to yourself and spend more money. 201 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:23,679 Speaker 2: By the way, Lamborghini also uses the sixty three some 202 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 2: of their special liveries and that's because it was the 203 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 2: year they showed their. 204 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 3: First sports car, so I mean glory days. 205 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess sixty three was a good year. Speaking 206 00:09:34,920 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 2: of that, there's going to be a sixty three Ferrari 207 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 2: at the Kissimi auction Ferris Bueller car that's going to 208 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 2: go for sixteen to eighteen. There's a sixty seven two 209 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 2: seventy five Spider that's going to go for they think 210 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 2: twenty five or more. And there's a sixty four to 211 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 2: two seventy five GTV that they think will go for 212 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 2: more than thirty five. 213 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 1: Where are they expecting these buyers to come from, Because 214 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 1: let's be honest, Mikam Auctions are not known for their 215 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 1: ferrari sales. They do volume Americans. 216 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 2: We'll have ten for our that they say are worth 217 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 2: over one hundred million dollars. They say, but I don't 218 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 2: know where the You know, I guess if you want 219 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:10,680 Speaker 2: this kind of Ferrari, you don't really care as much 220 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 2: who's selling it, right, I think you do. If you're 221 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 2: in the market for this, don't you you know who 222 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 2: it's coming from. So like say, you're I don't know 223 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 2: David Lee, and you know that Jay Leno is selling 224 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 2: his Ferrari, You're gonna go buy it from him, whether 225 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:26,199 Speaker 2: he does it through bottoms or true. 226 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:30,319 Speaker 1: But this, but I think very significantly, this isn't jay 227 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 1: Leno's Ferrari. 228 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 3: I don't I think what I mean. 229 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: What I mean is you know that caliber of Ferrari 230 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:39,760 Speaker 1: would not be sold at Amkam Auction. And this is 231 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: not a mark against Meka met All. I just think 232 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 1: in general, and I'm not familiar with the cars that 233 00:10:46,080 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 1: they told you. Yeah, if you do have that, if 234 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:52,560 Speaker 1: you do have really that caliber Ferrari, you would probably 235 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 1: tend to go to Southeb's or Gooding. 236 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:55,400 Speaker 2: They know that too. 237 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:57,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not a knock on them at all. People 238 00:10:57,600 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 3: have specialties. 239 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 2: Well, I think they might be trying to move into 240 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 2: that area because they're so focused. They will be so 241 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 2: focused on the Ferraris. Anyway, I don't want to get 242 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 2: too drawn away from the ST. I think it's so 243 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 2: cool that they're making this, which most people aren't going 244 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 2: to be able to afford it. Even people who can 245 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 2: go pick up a nine to eleven aren't going to 246 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 2: be able to really afford or make financial sense of 247 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 2: the ST. But you have to have something in that 248 00:11:21,800 --> 00:11:26,839 Speaker 2: price area because singers are only a couple hundred grand more, right, 249 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 2: and then it's even cooler and even more exclusive. My 250 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 2: favorite of all of the different I guess trim levels 251 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 2: would be because I live here in New York and 252 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 2: I don't know how the roads are in LA, but 253 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 2: they're bad here. The de Car, I think is so great, 254 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 2: but I just wish instead of the turbocharged three Leader, 255 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:50,439 Speaker 2: they would put the same motor that they use in 256 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 2: the GT three or in this and I don't know why. 257 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 1: Maybe it's you know what, this is another thing I 258 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 1: wanted to say about the ST. This four leader engine 259 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: is the same one that they've had for over a 260 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: decade that they've used, and you know, every year they're 261 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 1: getting incremental bits more power out of it, you know, 262 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 1: five percent here and there. 263 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 2: But how much how much does the ST I think 264 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 2: it's five. 265 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 1: Eighteen, But I do wonder is this sort of the 266 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 1: topping out of what they can do on that particular 267 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:25,679 Speaker 1: four leader, especially with emissions because this, you know, I 268 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:28,280 Speaker 1: don't see big jumps and what they're getting out of 269 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 1: that power plant in general, but the engine specifically, So 270 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 1: that was something you make. 271 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 2: They do tend to make like at the end of 272 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:39,320 Speaker 2: a generation of cars, they'll make like the Crowning Glory exactly. 273 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 1: Yes, this feels a little bit like that, which interesting, 274 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 1: which yeah, And then that now makes me think, you know, 275 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 1: we've talked a little bit about what is the car 276 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 1: market going to be for internal combustion cars. If at 277 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 1: some point you can't really buy them new, does that 278 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 1: does that make them valuable? And yet again this plays 279 00:12:57,400 --> 00:12:59,440 Speaker 1: into your whole plan with some of the cars that 280 00:12:59,440 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 1: you want to. 281 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 2: Get right like the BMW. I want to get the 282 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 2: last V twelve they made the seven sixty. By the way, 283 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 2: my wife is like on board again. 284 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 3: Oh great, thank god. 285 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 2: I think I'm moving in that direction really, And that's 286 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:14,560 Speaker 2: one that's like my Dodge Challenger with a six point 287 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 2: four Leader V eight that's going to be very much 288 00:13:18,840 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 2: not made anymore. But they sell fifty thousand of those 289 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:25,199 Speaker 2: a year. I don't think it's going to appreciate value. No, 290 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 2: probably not, but the twelve cylinder BMW maybe because they 291 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 2: don't make that many of them. On the other hand, 292 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 2: I've looked back at previous generations of the seven series 293 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 2: of the V twelves, and you can pick them up 294 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:35,320 Speaker 2: for like ten or fifteen thousand. 295 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean even nineteen hundred and sixty three as 296 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 1: a production run. 297 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:41,320 Speaker 3: It's not that rare. 298 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 1: Going back to the ferraris you know, when there are 299 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 1: two or three or four of them that were ever made, 300 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 1: or even one hundred, you know they're going to make 301 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 1: two hundred of the Bagatti Sharon whatever, right, you know 302 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:56,679 Speaker 1: that's actual rarity. But almost two thousand of something to 303 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 1: me isn't ultra rare. 304 00:13:58,960 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 2: No, not at all. 305 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 1: It's limited, but it's not ultra rare. And I did 306 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 1: ask Porsche, are you guys sold out? You know, what 307 00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 1: are the allocations looking like? And the answer was, you know, 308 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 1: it's a bit of a rolling thing. And the answer. 309 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 2: Out right because if they were sold out, they would say, yeah, 310 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:15,559 Speaker 2: we sold out, I think day after we announced it. 311 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, if you want, if you want one, nineteen hundred. 312 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 2: And sixty three is a lot. I feel like a 313 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 2: limited edition normally, and in the motorcycle world it's usually 314 00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 2: like four hundred, right, you know, right, and some times 315 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 2: they'll make like fifty. 316 00:14:28,480 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 3: Yeah. 317 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 2: You know, if Lamborghini puts out a limited edition, they'll 318 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 2: have like five yeah. Or the Rolls Royce share. Wasn't 319 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 2: there like a thirty million dollar Rolls race like Jason, Yes, 320 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 2: a boat ta or something. 321 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 1: Yes, there's like the boat tail, the droptail, the and 322 00:14:41,040 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 1: the other one. 323 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 2: By the way, I brought this also, I brought up 324 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 2: with the Meekham guys because I'm like, you know, Hannah's 325 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 2: always talking about the sixty million dollars for hours and 326 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:49,320 Speaker 2: there's never a sixty million dollar. 327 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 3: Kudah And they say, yeah, good what they say? 328 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:55,360 Speaker 2: They said true, But there are a lot of three 329 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 2: or four million dollar kudahs, and remember that they made 330 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 2: one hundred thousand of them. They made two. 331 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 1: That's good, that's a good argument. Actually, So why are 332 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 1: those ones in particular so expensive when there's so many. 333 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 2: Well, they're different trim levels that make it like one 334 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 2: of one. 335 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:12,200 Speaker 3: Or okay three, Yeah, I don't know. 336 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:16,560 Speaker 1: Were those after aftermarket or those are phone factory factory 337 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 1: trim level factory. 338 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 2: It's the rest of the mods don't go for that 339 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 2: much unless it's a singer, right, unless it's somebody who 340 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 2: really knows what she or he is doing. Let's talk 341 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 2: about Tesla's. So there's recalls all the time. Every car 342 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 2: make retail recalls, and Bloomberg goes crazy and flashes headline 343 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 2: and the stock will move on the day because investors 344 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 2: have no idea that it's a common thing. But this 345 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 2: Tesla recall, I think is more interesting than the traditional 346 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 2: Like there's a screw loose on your right rear, you know, 347 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 2: uh out. 348 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 3: The steering wheel might come off at any moment in time. 349 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 2: So this is what they're they're autopilot driving feature, which 350 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 2: they've touted and pushed so much. I think they charge 351 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 2: extra for it on certain cars as well. 352 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's not even their like driver level two, 353 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 1: it's not even their autonomous it's not it's not even 354 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 1: like close to what Mercedes has done, for instance. 355 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 2: But they've had to fix it because Nitsa has done 356 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 2: years long investigation on whether they whether or not they've 357 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 2: done enough to ensure the driver is paying attention. And 358 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 2: I guess Nitsa has decided they don't have they haven't 359 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 2: done that, And now Tesla's doing this recall. But I 360 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 2: think it's so cool because it's a huge recall, right, 361 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 2: isn't it? 362 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 3: Two million? 363 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 2: Two million cars? 364 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 3: Million cars? 365 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 2: Okay, I think it's so cool because usually a recall 366 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 2: is a giant pain in the butt for the consumer 367 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:50,440 Speaker 2: the dealer, because the dealer this is over the air. 368 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's cool. 369 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 1: I mean I will, I will one hundred percent give 370 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 1: Tesla that. 371 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:55,600 Speaker 3: That's great. 372 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 1: Can you imagine the pandemonium people didn't go down to 373 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:00,160 Speaker 1: the dealership. 374 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 2: Usually what happens to people don't do it. 375 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 3: I mean, La would shut down because half of La 376 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 3: is Tesla's so maybe which would be kind of great 377 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 3: because then traffic would be a lot better. 378 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 2: Also, this is a recall that I don't want as 379 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:11,359 Speaker 2: a test owner. Why do I want something that's going 380 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 2: to make me pay attention more? It's going to ding more, well, 381 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 2: it's going to flash more. 382 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 1: I guess there is there no consequence for not having 383 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:21,440 Speaker 1: your car for not I know, you have to actually 384 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 1: opt in push the button on the screen that accepts the. 385 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 2: Right, but you have to have your fingers, your hands 386 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 2: on the wheel, and if you take your hands off 387 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 2: the wheel for too long, most systems realize that and 388 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 2: we'll say like, okay, auto pilot is off now. I 389 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 2: don't know specifically how it works in the Tesla, but 390 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:40,760 Speaker 2: what they want to do is like make it harder 391 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:41,879 Speaker 2: for you to keat the system. 392 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 3: I understand that. 393 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:45,639 Speaker 1: I mean, in order to accept the software update for 394 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:49,159 Speaker 1: the recall, you do have to actually push a button 395 00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 1: to accept and to initiate and accept the recall. So 396 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 1: if you don't do that, what's the If you. 397 00:17:55,680 --> 00:18:00,080 Speaker 2: Don't do that, then you can't get any updates. 398 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 4: But that without having and eventually it's like your cell phone, right, 399 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 4: so exactly, it's like a new iOS because. 400 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:09,359 Speaker 3: I'm like many updates behind on my cell phone, to 401 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:09,920 Speaker 3: be honest, And. 402 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:11,920 Speaker 2: You know that when you do the update, like your 403 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 2: alarm won't go off. 404 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it ruins everything. It ruins everything. That's why 405 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 1: I haven't done. 406 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 2: It right, But you have to eventually because you want. 407 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 3: Because and then emoji start looking weird and that bugs me. 408 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:26,680 Speaker 2: So yeah, So this recall I think is mildly interesting 409 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:28,119 Speaker 2: because of that, but it is, and I. 410 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 1: Will say just on that topic, it's interesting because Tesla 411 00:18:31,400 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 1: makes such a big deal about this kind of technology, 412 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 1: and like the very thing that they always brag about 413 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 1: is the thing that they're now having to adjust. Right, 414 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:41,680 Speaker 1: So that's like because in the end, you're right, honestly, 415 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 1: it's not a big deal. You just do the software 416 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 1: update and then it's fine. But it is kind of 417 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:48,119 Speaker 1: a big deal because there this is like one of 418 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 1: their main selling points about how amazing. 419 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 2: Also, I hesitate to, by the way, it has to 420 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 2: say anything bad about Tesla's for two reasons. Number one, 421 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 2: most importantly, I don't really know very much about Tesla's. 422 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 2: I haven't driven very many and I have definitely not 423 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 2: spent time with really anybody who's who's obsessed, So I 424 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 2: don't know much. 425 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:09,160 Speaker 3: Well we should, Tesla, if you're listening, send us something. 426 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:13,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, we really should. Yeah. Number two, I hesitate to 427 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 2: anything because they're so passionate. Right. 428 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 1: Well, I don't know if that's the word I would use. 429 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:21,160 Speaker 1: I would say, you don't want to get docsed, right, 430 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 1: and you don't want the cult members coming after you, 431 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:28,200 Speaker 1: because you've I have experienced some of that myself, and 432 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:35,119 Speaker 1: it there is something primal of the Tesla enthusiast, and 433 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 1: I use that word generously, where if you dare to 434 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 1: say something critical about a Tesla vehicle, it's as if 435 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:48,960 Speaker 1: you've questioned their identity, their manhood. They're very intelligence as 436 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:53,640 Speaker 1: human it's and the response is visceral and way out 437 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:58,680 Speaker 1: of proportion to whatever perceived infraction has has happened. 438 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 4: And that me is a bit weird, it is, but 439 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:05,960 Speaker 4: that is how it is, which is why I would 440 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:08,399 Speaker 4: Otherwise I would say I think BMW has a much 441 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:09,920 Speaker 4: better self driving system. 442 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:12,159 Speaker 2: But I'm not gonna say that because they'll kill me. 443 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:14,960 Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, it's just you and me talking, so don't worry. 444 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:17,359 Speaker 2: I was talking to the CEO of the North American 445 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:19,639 Speaker 2: CEO of BMW a couple of days ago, and he 446 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:22,920 Speaker 2: was like, yo, I take my hands off the wheel, right. 447 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 2: The only thing I have to be doing is watching. 448 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:28,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, of course that's Level three that they have. 449 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:31,639 Speaker 1: BMW has that in Germany currently, Mercedes has it in 450 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:34,360 Speaker 1: the United States. I've driven it, I've used Level three. 451 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 1: It's wonderful. You can watch videos, fantastic, it's very relaxing. 452 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:43,199 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I think that's interesting. But I'm sure that Tesla. 453 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:45,639 Speaker 2: I just don't know enough about Tesla's systems because I'm 454 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:47,479 Speaker 2: sure you can cheat them as well. Otherwise people wouldn't 455 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:49,679 Speaker 2: be able to sleep, of course, and have horrible accidents. 456 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 2: By the way, the this investigation is because of at 457 00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:56,360 Speaker 2: least fifty accidents yeah, that they say or caused by autopilot. 458 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 2: That's a little bit scary, right, shifted the autopilot with 459 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 2: no citation at all. 460 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 1: In other cars, I don't even use cruise control, if 461 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 1: I'm honest, I I but yes when I'm forced to. 462 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 1: If I'm in a press car and I need to 463 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 1: actually try something or test something, I don't. I'm not worried. 464 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 1: I'm not worried because I feel that you can override it. 465 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 1: But I don't even like the nannies that keep you 466 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:21,200 Speaker 1: in your lane, you know, they just to me, it's 467 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:24,119 Speaker 1: actually less safe because when I need to make a 468 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 1: quick move and I'm feeling resistance on the steering wheel 469 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 1: or pre breaking, it feels like you're out of control 470 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:31,639 Speaker 1: of the car, and that's not a good feeling. 471 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 3: As a driver. I want to feel like I'm in control. 472 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 2: I mean, I only use it on long autobond drives. 473 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 2: I'll set it and forget it, and or if I 474 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:41,920 Speaker 2: were doing cross country drive in the US, but if 475 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 2: I have my wife and kids in the car. I 476 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 2: was in the Escalade V and I had my wife 477 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:51,640 Speaker 2: and baby in the back, and of course it has supercrews. 478 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 3: Supercrew. 479 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,440 Speaker 2: Yes, I like, I love it, but my wife's. 480 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:58,159 Speaker 3: Like, oh, she doesn't want you. Oh interesting. 481 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 1: Well, I remember I used Supercrew's last and the Electric Hummer, 482 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:07,640 Speaker 1: and it made me miss my exit and get off 483 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 1: because I was so relaxed that I just like, I 484 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:13,200 Speaker 1: didn't get off the freeway and it was and I was. 485 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 3: Like, oh, but it's for me. It's scary how quickly 486 00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 3: I get very relaxed. 487 00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 2: You think that stuff I miss exits when I'm paying attention. Yeah, 488 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 2: let's talk about the Ford Lightning production cut, because I 489 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 2: think this is the most interesting story in a long 490 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 2: time in the automotive sort of industry, because it's just 491 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 2: one more sign that there's not as much EV demand 492 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 2: as we may have thought there was going to be. 493 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 2: Ford was going to lose three billion on EV's this year. 494 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:44,480 Speaker 2: Then they said they're gonna lose four and a half 495 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 2: billion on EV this EV's this year. The lightning was 496 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:52,160 Speaker 2: you know, their electric F one fifty. There were hundreds 497 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 2: of thousands of reservations for. 498 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:56,200 Speaker 3: It, right, well, it's the best S F one fifty 499 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 3: is the best selling car. 500 00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 2: You would just would have thought, you know, when I 501 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:01,239 Speaker 2: heard they're gonna cut production in half from thirty two 502 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:03,159 Speaker 2: hundred a week to sixteen hundred a week, I thought, 503 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:06,120 Speaker 2: but surely there are people that are waiting like two 504 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 2: years to get it. I don't. 505 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 1: It doesn't and honestly, to me, doesn't make sense. And 506 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 1: then you know, I see the executive saying we're not worried, 507 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:18,160 Speaker 1: We're just we're adjusting to output and demand. It kind 508 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 1: of doesn't make sense. I don't really believe them when 509 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 1: they say this is this is just a natural adjustment 510 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:27,600 Speaker 1: and we're not worried, especially when Jim Farley has said 511 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 1: he wants to focus on ice and hybrids for the 512 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 1: four trucks. Yeah, right on the wall. 513 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 2: I would look so smart right now. And everybody else 514 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 2: I knowsh to do evs in a major, major crazy 515 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 2: way in toytos Like now, I'll stick with our boys born. 516 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 1: I know, and I know I've been like very sort 517 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 1: of hybrids are not the way in this in our 518 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:50,719 Speaker 1: podcasting relationships since day one. But I admit, I do 519 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 1: admit I'm slowly kind of seeing, Wow, I'm seeing. It's 520 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:57,959 Speaker 1: not like I have an opinion either way, but what 521 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,680 Speaker 1: I'm observing is maybe hybrids are coming back around. 522 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 2: I have an opinion. Yeah, hybrids are the way forward. 523 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,200 Speaker 2: It's so smacky on the face obvious. If you want 524 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,359 Speaker 2: to be green around town, you just leave it on 525 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,720 Speaker 2: the battery power only, and then when you're doing a 526 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 2: real trip, there's no need for range anxiety because you 527 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 2: have a motor. It makes total sense to me. 528 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 3: But they're heavy. They're heavy. They're heavy. 529 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 2: I like a heavy car. I like a heavy bike. 530 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,679 Speaker 2: There's a place in my life for light vehicles. My 531 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 2: neighbor has an M two. I love to cane it 532 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 2: around the Bronx River Park. 533 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 3: Great looking car. 534 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, they're great, But I like a big heavy cruiser. 535 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:36,359 Speaker 2: I like a land yacht that I can pile it. 536 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,440 Speaker 2: I mean I had a nine to eleven, but also 537 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 2: really enjoyed driving my G class for a while. 538 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:46,159 Speaker 1: Oh we should discuss I didn't. I had forgotten you 539 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 1: how a G wagon. 540 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 2: Yeah it was a year and what it was the 541 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,720 Speaker 2: culmination of like forty years of wanting. 542 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's so cool. 543 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 2: I got a twenty twenty G five hundred and emerald green. 544 00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 3: This was in Berlin. Yes, so cool. 545 00:24:59,600 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 2: That is. 546 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 1: I have such an icon. I could talk about that forever. 547 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 1: It's so unapologetic. It's a diamond. 548 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 2: I also think the color emerald green chamarocked Groen. It's 549 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:12,679 Speaker 2: so great because everybody thinks it's black until it's a 550 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 2: very sunny day. Yeah, then they realize. Now my point is, 551 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,680 Speaker 2: hybrids are the way forward. I've been saying forever. Now. 552 00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 2: I talk to Keith Naughton, our Ford reporter in Detroit. 553 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,119 Speaker 2: He told me the time to turn around or whatever 554 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 2: the metric that measures how long a car sits on 555 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 2: a dealer's lot before it selfsu huh. In full evs 556 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 2: it's fifty one days. Regular cars icee engines forty three 557 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:39,760 Speaker 2: days hybrid's eighteen. 558 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 3: Oh wow, interesting, So they fly off the lot. That's 559 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,240 Speaker 3: telling it's better than the housing market, right now. 560 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, well there are some for sale, right yeah, yeah, 561 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,400 Speaker 2: yeah and so and a lot of them obviously are 562 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,640 Speaker 2: like toyotas if you want to RAB four hybrid. 563 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, here's the question. Look, here's a question for you 564 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:01,920 Speaker 1: that just came into my mind. Now, I did listen 565 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:05,239 Speaker 1: to your interview with the head of BMW, and I 566 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 1: you know, he's saying they're not slowing down on anything. 567 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 1: You know, the I seven, all of their I cars 568 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:14,439 Speaker 1: are full speed ahead. They're not adjusting anything. So my 569 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 1: question to you is do you think there is going 570 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:20,640 Speaker 1: to be a divide between luxury and premium evs and 571 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 1: mass market evs. 572 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,199 Speaker 2: Well, one of the points that Keith made to me 573 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 2: when I was talking to him about EV demand is 574 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 2: it's not because people necessarily don't want evs. H they do. 575 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 2: Some people want evs. There are compromises to be made. 576 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 2: You know, you obviously need to figure out if you're 577 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,280 Speaker 2: going on a trip where the charging points are. If 578 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 2: you keep it at home, you're gonna want to install 579 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,119 Speaker 2: something it's inconvenient, so you're willing to do that, but 580 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,400 Speaker 2: you're not willing to do the inconvenient thing and pay 581 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,479 Speaker 2: eight dollars. It's a bridge to structure. 582 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 3: It's really a bridge. 583 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,359 Speaker 2: The thing about VMW that I think is interesting is 584 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:04,000 Speaker 2: the IX, which is they're eighty thousand dollars plus EV suv. 585 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 2: That's not flying off. 586 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 1: Lone No, and I kind of liked it when I 587 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 1: drove right. I love it, but it's too expensive, I think. 588 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 1: I even said, meanwhile, the I four, which is considerably 589 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 1: more affordable, that's flying off lots. So the cool thing 590 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 1: about the BMW picture is they're selling sedans, even the 591 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,359 Speaker 1: EV sedans, more than they are selling SUVs. In the 592 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 1: last quarter, they had growth in the car segment, and 593 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,960 Speaker 1: they had a ten percent drop in the suv segment, 594 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:36,200 Speaker 1: which is so much backward. 595 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:37,879 Speaker 3: That's very backward exactly. 596 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,400 Speaker 2: BMW is the coolest electric sedans. They have the I four, 597 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,200 Speaker 2: now the I five, I seven, which is a big 598 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 2: fan beast, and. 599 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,119 Speaker 3: We need a new Some of them are not attractive. 600 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:52,680 Speaker 2: Though, The I seven and the I X I think 601 00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 2: are a hordrible. 602 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:58,159 Speaker 1: I'm going to stand with my I seven looks okay 603 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:00,080 Speaker 1: in certain colors. 604 00:27:59,920 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 2: Like squinty eyes at all. Don't like it. They did 605 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 2: it right X seven in the. 606 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:06,960 Speaker 1: I do kind of like where the girl's going because 607 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 1: I feel like it's going more into a bow tie shape. 608 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 3: Yes, like less beaver tooth, more bow tie. 609 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:12,679 Speaker 2: That's correct. 610 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 1: The kidney grill hasn't been around for years. Let's just 611 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 1: be honest. Now, it's like a sort of a cutesy 612 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 1: bow tie. 613 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,200 Speaker 2: Which, right, But even if it's a kidney, the kidneys 614 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 2: should be horizontal, not vertical. 615 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 1: You know, hey, you know that's actually authentic. If you 616 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:29,880 Speaker 1: look at old, old old BMW's, they had big really, yes, 617 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:30,720 Speaker 1: start to look. 618 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 3: I gotta I. 619 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:32,239 Speaker 2: Gotta look at that. 620 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 1: All the oldest BMW's have big vertical grills that you 621 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 1: can see. 622 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 3: The lineage here. There is a connection. 623 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 2: All right. Let's talk about Chris Bryant's opinion piece, which 624 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 2: is really a story of a Chinese billionaire who started 625 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,760 Speaker 2: gely and now has collected a ton of brands, some 626 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 2: of which he wants to bring to market even here 627 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 2: in the US, not in terms of just selling the vehicles, 628 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 2: but also listing a stock and he's finding a lack 629 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 2: of investor interest. Let's say, are less investor interest than 630 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 2: he may have expected. I was shocked by the amount 631 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:09,840 Speaker 2: of brand that Jelie owns. I knew that they were. 632 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 2: I knew that they owned. 633 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 3: Volvo Sure, which includes Polestar. 634 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 2: Which includes Polestar because Volva owns like half of that. 635 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 1: Ye. 636 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 2: I knew that they had a minority staken in Daimler, 637 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 2: in Mercedes. 638 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 1: And Mercedes and Aston Martin, and they owned Smart Yeah, 639 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 1: so I guess they Yeah, I guess I'm a dolery. 640 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 3: That would make sense. 641 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, they must have bought it when they when they 642 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:31,560 Speaker 2: got that. 643 00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 1: And then they have all those Chinese brands that we 644 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:35,480 Speaker 1: don't know the names. 645 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 2: Like one's called Fleiker or something ker Zeker I think 646 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 2: it is. They also owned the Lotus brand. 647 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 3: I think I knew that, but I forgot. I never 648 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 3: think about it. Well, I never think about. 649 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 2: The Lotus brand has been owned by in Asia body, Yeah, 650 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 2: by a lot of people, but it's been in Asia 651 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:54,720 Speaker 2: for a while. I think I thought it was Malaysian, 652 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 2: but now so, uh, Jillians. 653 00:29:58,080 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 3: This is a lot. This is a lot. 654 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 1: I mean, I it does feel like they are going 655 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 1: for a Volkswagen in terms of owning a very wide 656 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 1: portfolio of brands. Yes, you know, is this world domination attime? 657 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 2: I mean, it seems like they're trying that, but I'm 658 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 2: not sure if any of those brands really really goes 659 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 2: for it. So Volvo, for example, I'm I've always been 660 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 2: a lover of volves. 661 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 3: Love it. Yeah. 662 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 2: My first car was a two forty wagon in baby blue. 663 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:29,560 Speaker 3: You know, Oh that's so cool. 664 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 2: You called it the blue Swede. Because is that lacked 665 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:33,480 Speaker 2: any kind of originality or creativity? 666 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 1: Is that what your parents got you? Because it was very, 667 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 1: very safe, you know that it was like. 668 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:37,760 Speaker 3: A high school. 669 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:39,040 Speaker 2: Well that's what my parents got. 670 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:40,400 Speaker 3: Okay, that's what my. 671 00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 2: Mom got in nineteen eighty four. And then when I 672 00:30:43,040 --> 00:30:45,479 Speaker 2: started to drive in I don't know, nineteen ninety. Oh 673 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 2: you inherited, Yeah, so I inherited that one, and then 674 00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 2: my brothers got it. We put two hundred fifty thousand 675 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 2: miles on that. But my parents have always had Volvos, 676 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 2: both of them, and so I've grown up with the brand. Lately, 677 00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:00,719 Speaker 2: they've been doing some things that are annoying, like so 678 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,960 Speaker 2: they capped the speed their car. None of their cars 679 00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 2: are going to go more than one hundred and I 680 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 2: think thirty kilometers per hour. I did not hear about 681 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 2: this announcement like two or three years ago, and I 682 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 2: was talking to Hawk on Samuel's and the CEO about it. 683 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:15,440 Speaker 2: I was like, dude, do you not want to sell 684 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 2: cars in Germany? And he said, basically, they're the adults 685 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 2: in the room, is what they want to prove. You know. 686 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 1: Well, let's be honest, there are many portions of the 687 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,720 Speaker 1: Autobahn where you actually can't go fast. True, those cameras 688 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 1: are horrible, and it's worse than American highways where if 689 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:30,719 Speaker 1: you just think you're lucky you're not going to get 690 00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,080 Speaker 1: pulled over. True, it seems so unsporting. 691 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:34,200 Speaker 2: There are ways around it. 692 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:36,240 Speaker 1: But yes, I mean, so you're one of those guys 693 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 1: that I always see like going. You know, you're you 694 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 1: have to go a certain speed between the cameras, right, 695 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 1: But so I will do that. But then sometimes I 696 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 1: do see people that are clearly going far faster than me, 697 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,920 Speaker 1: and I'm like, do they just not care about getting 698 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 1: tickets or do they have a secret that I don't 699 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 1: know about it? 700 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 2: There are some ways to deal with those cameras, and 701 00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:58,960 Speaker 2: there are some ways to deal with German tickets. 702 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 3: HM okay, well, maybe I can't wait to hear. 703 00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 2: More super legal, let's say, or maybe sub legal anyway, 704 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 2: the spirit of the law. I just thought it was 705 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,720 Speaker 2: a bad idea that Volvo did that. And now they've 706 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:15,720 Speaker 2: got these, you know, two liter four cylinders in their hybrids, 707 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 2: which are super boring motors in any car, even in 708 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:19,120 Speaker 2: not a hybrid. 709 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,160 Speaker 1: But Bulvo never cared about being boring. That is one 710 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:23,960 Speaker 1: thing we should say. 711 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 2: And they have amazing design, like yeah, they for I 712 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 2: loved it, I know. And the XT ninety that we 713 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 2: have now beautiful. 714 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,400 Speaker 1: And there is the car with the most miles on 715 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 1: it in the world is a Volvo. It was owned Oh, 716 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,440 Speaker 1: it was owned by IRV Gordon. Is this fam He 717 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 1: was a teacher and he drove this Volvo back and 718 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,720 Speaker 1: forth to school for his entire career and he would 719 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:48,960 Speaker 1: drive it all over the country. And his car ended 720 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:50,880 Speaker 1: up having over a million miles on it. It's like 721 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:52,680 Speaker 1: it sets the record. I think it might have up 722 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 1: to three million miles. 723 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 2: They're awesome. I just don't feel like they're fully going 724 00:32:56,240 --> 00:33:01,560 Speaker 2: for it. Uh you know, the car technology isn't quite there. 725 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 2: Pole Star is another one where I feel like they 726 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,719 Speaker 2: had a great chance. They had an amazing. 727 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 1: First I know, I was so excited, so excited, and 728 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:13,720 Speaker 1: it's completely it's underwhelming. I think, yes, if that you, 729 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,760 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm waiting. I'm like, guys, what is taking 730 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:17,160 Speaker 1: so long? 731 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,080 Speaker 2: I feel like they want to be an audi of evs, 732 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:19,640 Speaker 2: but they're just. 733 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 3: There's way too slow and. 734 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:24,640 Speaker 2: And Lotus hasn't done anything. 735 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:28,600 Speaker 1: No, Lotus hasn't done anything. I mean no, it's really 736 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:29,280 Speaker 1: a shame. 737 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,440 Speaker 2: It's a still and that. I feel like they had 738 00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 2: a chance to really take off. And there are some 739 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,200 Speaker 2: people obviously that love Lotuses and there's some amazing Lotuses. 740 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,120 Speaker 2: I'm sure they're super fun to drive, a little lightweight 741 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:43,440 Speaker 2: waight cars, right, yeah, but they had such a massive 742 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 2: opportunity after James Bond drove one, and then Jason Alexander 743 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:53,680 Speaker 2: drove one A Pretty Woman, and I think Robert exactly. 744 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:55,920 Speaker 1: So, I mean, I've driven some of the old ones there, 745 00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:57,120 Speaker 1: I've driven some of the new ones. 746 00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:58,000 Speaker 3: They drive great. 747 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:03,400 Speaker 1: I mean they drive very elementary, rudimentary, but that's can 748 00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,200 Speaker 1: be really fun. And there's such heritage, like they have 749 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,879 Speaker 1: a thing that all of these new brands won't have 750 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,920 Speaker 1: for another fifty to seventy five years, which is heritage 751 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:12,719 Speaker 1: and history and. 752 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:17,279 Speaker 2: Story true Colin Chapman exactly. I then, apparently Gelie has 753 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,480 Speaker 2: a brand in China that's top of the line like Zeker. 754 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:21,520 Speaker 3: That's okay, I need to. 755 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:26,600 Speaker 2: Supposedly at least aspirational, not luxurious. Now. I was reading 756 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,920 Speaker 2: the story that Chris Road, and I thought, they'll never 757 00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:34,239 Speaker 2: sell Chinese evs over here, and I realized they already do. 758 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:36,759 Speaker 2: Pole stars that sell here are made in China. 759 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:38,319 Speaker 3: Oh wow, sore we go. 760 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,040 Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, anyway, great story. Check it out if you 761 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,399 Speaker 2: have a chance on Bloomberg dot com or if you're 762 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,719 Speaker 2: a Bloomberg client. Just bio Chris Bryant for that. That's 763 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:48,520 Speaker 2: all we have time for today. 764 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 3: But are you doing this week in Matt. 765 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:56,600 Speaker 2: Being a dad again? That's good for another weekend. Yeah, 766 00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:58,759 Speaker 2: I'm preparing for Christmas. 767 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:00,760 Speaker 3: You know, so you're gonna have a mayor and Christmas, 768 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:01,080 Speaker 3: aren't you. 769 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:05,000 Speaker 2: My daughter's first American Christmas because we usually spend it 770 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,200 Speaker 2: in Spain, and it's the first time that she's also 771 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:11,040 Speaker 2: like conscious. She's three going on fifteen. It's the perfect 772 00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:14,000 Speaker 2: days and so I am going. My wife is getting 773 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,960 Speaker 2: her like an easel and an apron right, But I am, 774 00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,520 Speaker 2: unbeknownst to my wife, just going to go all out 775 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:21,399 Speaker 2: and spoil the hell. 776 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:22,640 Speaker 3: I love it. I love it. 777 00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:24,560 Speaker 2: And to get her like an electric Ducati that she 778 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:26,440 Speaker 2: can ride around the driveway, you know. 779 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:27,600 Speaker 3: Good, start them young. 780 00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:30,480 Speaker 2: Not going to get her the little Bugatti. But that's 781 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:31,080 Speaker 2: very cool. 782 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,399 Speaker 1: It's like, how much does that cost? I was gonna say, 783 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,000 Speaker 1: it's good price of a normal car. 784 00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,920 Speaker 2: Really, it's very much fun though. Yeah, drive even for me. 785 00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,799 Speaker 2: You can catch us again, same time, same place, next week. 786 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,120 Speaker 2: You can follow me if you like on Instagram at 787 00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:48,600 Speaker 2: Matt Miller nineteen seventy three. 788 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:53,280 Speaker 1: And you can follow me on Instagram at Hannah Elliott XO. 789 00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:57,080 Speaker 1: That's Hannah with an H on the end and Elliott 790 00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:57,800 Speaker 1: with two l's. 791 00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:58,440 Speaker 3: And two p's. 792 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:00,640 Speaker 2: Thanks for listening. I'm Matt larn I'm 793 00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:02,920 Speaker 3: Hannah Elliott, and this is Bloomberg.