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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds and Trump Media CEO, former Congressman Devin Nunas,

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Speaker 1: has stepped down after the company lost seven hundred and

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Speaker 1: twelve million dollars last year. We have such a great

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Speaker 1: show for you today. The New Republic's Meredith Shiner stops

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Speaker 1: by to talk to us about the enormous vibeshift changes

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Speaker 1: in Congress. Then we'll talk to the wraps on Michael

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Speaker 1: Calderon about the upcoming White House Correspondence dinner and the

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Speaker 1: immense drama we may see. But first the news.

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Speaker 2: So, Molli, you know you and I live in mom

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Speaker 2: Donnie Stan the Social State, and you know we're always

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Speaker 2: hearing about these giveaways.

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Speaker 3: But it's funny.

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Speaker 2: The place where all the corporations get the giveaways is

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Speaker 2: really from the Trump administration. And we're seeing this with

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Speaker 2: half a billion dollars going to Spirit Airlines to build

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Speaker 2: them out. Now you can argue this is an essential

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Speaker 2: way people get around this country, especially people.

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Speaker 3: No, you can't, No poorer people use Spirit Airlines.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't give him a fact, No, he doesn't terrible and

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Speaker 1: also this is socialism. But the thing is, because it's

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Speaker 1: the Trump administration, the question is why is the Spirit

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Speaker 1: CEO making a donation to Like, if we look at

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Speaker 1: Trump World, then we look at Mega. We know that

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Speaker 1: there's something rotten in the state of Denmark. So what

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Speaker 1: is it? Is it that the Trump administration has some

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Speaker 1: kind of relationship with Spirit? Why is Donald Trump using

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Speaker 1: our tax dollars to bail out Spirit Airlines? Earlier in

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Speaker 1: this season of Donald Trump destroys America, we saw him

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Speaker 1: use some of that money to bail out Latin American countries.

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Speaker 1: We've seen him use our tax dollars for any number

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Speaker 1: of sortied things. But my big question is what is

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Speaker 1: he getting back? The deal will be five hundred million

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Speaker 1: dollars for Spirit equity warrants for the government, because what

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Speaker 1: our business to spend tax payer dollars? And then airlines

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Speaker 1: notoriously stable. Actually, Donald Trump has already lost his shirt

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Speaker 1: once with airlines. You'll remember the Trump shuttle. So of course,

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Speaker 1: if there's an airline on the wall in the first decade,

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Speaker 1: it will go off sooner rather than later.

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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So there's lots of people questioning mister Trump's mental

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Speaker 2: health these days. So this is where we get into

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Speaker 2: some very fun modern stuff. So there is this man

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Speaker 2: known as al Yakobe who's been caught many times making

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Speaker 2: pro Israeli propaganda out of AI. So he today shared

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Speaker 2: a meme that said breaking the Islamic Republic is preparing

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Speaker 2: to hang out women and people who are good at

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Speaker 2: detective AI are all digraphic saying this is the most

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Speaker 2: AI that has ever AI imaged of all time.

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Speaker 1: The thing that's amazing to me about this story is

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Speaker 1: that this is Internet people on acts. But the thing

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Speaker 1: that they don't realize is that those of us whose

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Speaker 1: son subscribed to the New York Post know that this

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Speaker 1: was the cover of the New York Post today. So

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Speaker 1: these women, quote unquote, if they're women, if they're not women,

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Speaker 1: we're on the cover of the New York Post this morning.

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Speaker 1: So maybe there AI. It certainly seems like they may be.

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Speaker 1: But either way, they were on the cover of the

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Speaker 1: New York Post. So I don't know what is happening here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So Trump demanded that Aron not execute them, and

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Speaker 2: now the White House has put out a statement saying

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Speaker 2: that they've just been informed that they're not going to

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Speaker 2: be killed and taking a win for saving AI lives.

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Speaker 1: We think that they're not real anyway, I think is

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Speaker 1: the net net right?

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Speaker 2: It seems that the consensus on the Internet as of

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Speaker 2: now is that this was made up, and because the

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Speaker 2: person who initially spread this as such a bad past

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Speaker 2: of making AI images and getting caught for it, it

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Speaker 2: is not seeming very likely. And if that is the case,

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Speaker 2: this is a real egg on the face of mister Trump.

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Speaker 1: Yes, welcome to post truth America, where who even knows

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Speaker 1: what the fuck is happening? Did you really look very

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Speaker 1: AI ish? One of them looks like Alena Habba, one

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Speaker 1: of them looks like Kai Trump, one of them looks

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Speaker 1: like none of them look like actual people.

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Speaker 2: Like my thing would be is like, if these are

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Speaker 1: It is very strange. They're so attractive and they're also

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Speaker 3: Well, that's what mister Trump loves to save.

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Speaker 1: That's right, He's very into saving blonde people.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So we saw a congressional here yet again this

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the Darth Vader. This is we'll remember he's zinned.

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Speaker 1: He did zin. We saw him zin before.

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Speaker 2: For people who don't know what zin is, it's a

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Speaker 2: tobacco pouches you too. Mostly popular with twenty year olds

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Speaker 2: who have millennial perms. But the line that is really

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Speaker 2: sticking out to people is that he said I've never

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Speaker 3: That's the fucking brand.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, here's what's happened. Okay, Donald Trump is pulling through

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Speaker 1: the floor. He's pulling is bad. He's not popular. Things

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Speaker 1: have really gone off the rails. Now. Donald Trump has

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Speaker 1: this guy RFK Junior. He represents MAHA. He helped Donald

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Speaker 1: what does Donald Trump do. He's got RFK Junior out

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Speaker 1: there doing a sort of was I anti vax? Maybe

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Speaker 1: I wasn't anti vax and he's lying. These people really

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Speaker 1: I mean, RFK Junior has lied under oath pretty much.

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Speaker 1: That's sort of one of the central themes of this whole.

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Speaker 1: So don't believe any of these people. I mean, this

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Speaker 1: don't tell the truth. But here's the quote, I have

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Speaker 1: never been anti vaccine. It's like when Sean Hannity says

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Speaker 1: been anti vaccine. And later in the hearing he denied

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Speaker 1: things he said, he has spread lies. He is trying

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Speaker 1: to get them to not use the know what's going

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And this is what he does every time, is

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Speaker 2: he denies things he said on podcasts that we have

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Speaker 2: because he doesn't want to actually have to answer for

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Speaker 2: these things because I'll shock you here. He would not

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Speaker 2: defend things like what he says about black children and

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Speaker 2: being raised and things like that. On podcasts. You can't

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Speaker 2: defend the indefensible, but MAGA tries anyway. The Southern Poverty

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Speaker 2: Law Center, which many people may know as being the

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So the Southern Poverty Law Center is a really

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Speaker 1: incredible organization that has been around for a long time

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Speaker 1: and works on trying to expose the KKK. Now, Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump doesn't like that, because I don't know why he

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Speaker 1: doesn't like people who expose the KKK. It's odd, but

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Speaker 1: go after the KKK. So here's the idea. Southern Positarity

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Speaker 1: Law Center has paid informants the way the FBI does.

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Speaker 1: They're called field sources. They engage in their informants and

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Speaker 1: they get paid and they inform and thus this organization

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Speaker 1: learns about the KKK and stops them from doing crimes.

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Speaker 1: And also more importantly, they are able to monitor them.

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Speaker 1: Now this administration doesn't like people to monitor the KKK.

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Speaker 1: Another interesting thing, and so they are going after the

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Speaker 1: Southern Property At Law Center. Again, like, this is Todd

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Speaker 1: So Todd Blanche has cooked this thing up. It's never

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Speaker 1: going to go. You know, he got an indictment from

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Speaker 1: Alabama from the Trumpiest part of Alabama. It's not a

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just completely ridiculous. And this is what

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Speaker 1: to give the guy something. So there we are. Meredith

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Speaker 4: Welcome, Thank you, Mollie, it's so great to be back.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about Virginia. Yesterday, Democrats Republicans Virginians voted on

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Speaker 1: whether or not to redistrict Democrats one. It is now

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Speaker 1: but it looks like it's going to be a ten

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, this is a really big deal. First

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Speaker 1: Who could do this.

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Speaker 4: Republicans have been jerrymandering these maps. They've been trying to

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Speaker 4: have mid cycle redraws of maps for a very very

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Speaker 4: long time. And one of the things that they banked

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Speaker 4: And what you're seeing, I think in Virginia is a

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Speaker 4: It does not serve democracy. It doesn't serve the people

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Speaker 1: But I also think it's.

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Speaker 4: Really important in terms of how we think about national politics,

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Speaker 4: how democrats can act across the country, and the kinds

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Speaker 4: of steps were quiet to actually reclaim democracy that we

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Speaker 4: have lost, because it no longer is beneficial to pretend

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Speaker 1: Hope that it bounces back.

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Speaker 4: What you're seeing in Virginia is that fifty one percent

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Speaker 4: of voters there see the world we're living in, don't

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Speaker 4: like it and want to do something about it. And

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Speaker 4: they're doing that in a world where there's been rampid misinformation,

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Speaker 4: where the information ecosystem about what's even happening is completely broken.

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Speaker 4: I saw a really great video from Jammel Boui yesterday

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Speaker 4: and he was talking about the kinds of mailers and

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Speaker 4: ma genulate democratic voters against this choice. And I think

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Speaker 4: that we need to actually act to do something superseded

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Speaker 4: all of the other bad factors in play in order

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Speaker 1: And I want to talk about one of these sphereheads

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Speaker 1: of this legislation, a woman called she's the President pro

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Speaker 1: temp for of the Virginia Senate. She's a Democrat. Her

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Speaker 1: name is Lois Lucas. She is eighty four years old

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Speaker 1: and has been just a powerhouse, very tough black woman

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Speaker 1: who has who represents Chesapeake Bay and has been in

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Speaker 1: the Senate from nineteen ninety two. She represents the eighteenth district.

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Speaker 1: The reason why I want to bring her up is

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Speaker 1: any number of reasons. But she's got a very good

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Speaker 4: to not engage with questions that don't matter to other people.

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Speaker 4: So this idea of who's going to be the nominee

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Speaker 4: in twenty twenty eight, that is a parlor game question

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Speaker 4: that is more interesting to people within the beltleigh who

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Speaker 4: want to talk about it at cocktail parties afterwards. And

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Speaker 4: you're right, it doesn't say anything about what the task

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Speaker 4: at hand is. It doesn't say anything about how do

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Speaker 4: we win the midterm. It does say anything about what

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Speaker 4: kind of assurances do we need to make to voters

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Speaker 4: in terms of investigations, accountability, and change in order to

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Speaker 4: win back the House.

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Speaker 1: And aside from that, that's not even soral mom. Donnie's job.

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Speaker 4: He is Mayor of New York, and that is a

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Speaker 4: big enough and busy enough and hard enough job without

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Speaker 4: actually playing the role of political pundit. And so you

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Speaker 4: saw in that moment that he was really capable and

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Speaker 4: competent at that. There was another moment recently where Secretary

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Speaker 4: Mayor Pete Buddha Judge was on CNBC and he was

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Speaker 4: fighting with I forget the token Republican.

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Speaker 1: He's not a toe.

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Speaker 5: He's not a toe.

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Speaker 1: There are a lot of token Republicans on there, but

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Speaker 1: that was that was the best frend of Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: Joe Kiernan also is often whenever you watch him, whenever

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Speaker 1: he is a Democrat on he makes them disavow, either

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Speaker 1: find a Republican to disavow, or a Democrat to disavow,

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Speaker 1: or someone who they he thinks is last I've seen

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Speaker 1: him break people making them disavow Hassan Piker.

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Speaker 4: So this clip was amazing because Joe Kiernan was like, oh, well,

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Speaker 4: inflation is so bad and Democrats promise to like get

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Speaker 4: rid of inflation, and inflation was so bad in COVID

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Speaker 4: and people did just didn't take the bait. He's like well,

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Speaker 4: the president promised to do this and he has it,

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Speaker 4: Like you said, it would be X, and it's why.

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Speaker 4: And when someone was like, well, why don't you talk

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Speaker 4: about Z, He's like, I'm not here to talk about Z.

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Speaker 4: We're talking about X and Y and its basic math.

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Speaker 4: And it was so simple and it was so straightforward.

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Speaker 4: And I think that there has been this preference or

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Speaker 4: habituation to fear from Democrats because while there's overall a

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Speaker 4: discourse that the media is biased towards liberals, part of

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Speaker 4: the correction I think that reporters do, even if it's subconsciously,

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Speaker 4: is to take some of those Republican talking points and

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Speaker 4: put them towards Democrats in sort of this proof that

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Speaker 4: they're not actually liberals. But what that has done is

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Speaker 4: fundamentally skew our discourse towards Republican talking points and made democrats,

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Speaker 4: I think, fearful to either reject the premise at the

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Speaker 4: outset or speak their peace because all of the rules

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Speaker 4: of the game are designed by people who functionally are

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Speaker 4: not aligned to their outcomes. Right.

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Speaker 1: No, I think that's a really good point speaking of gerontocracy,

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Speaker 1: and you and I both critical of this often, but

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Speaker 1: today we have a Democrat, an eighty year old Democrat

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Speaker 1: has died in office, David Scott. He is one of

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Speaker 1: the many backbenchers in Congress. He is eighty. It's very

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Speaker 1: sad he's died, but it also means that the shift

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Speaker 1: in the Democrats do not have the majority. Republicans of

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Speaker 1: the majority, but it's very tight. Let's talk for a

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Speaker 1: minute about what last week. We saw Eric Swawell, who

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Speaker 1: has been on this pot guest and who I knew

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Speaker 1: and was friendly with then who turns out to be

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Speaker 1: accused of some pretty heinous stuff. He resigned, And at

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Speaker 1: the same time they had a Republican called Tony Gonzalez resign.

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Speaker 1: It was sort of a one from one. Gonzalez had

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Speaker 1: an affair with a staffer who set herself on fire

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Speaker 1: and is accused of having other affairs with staffers and

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Speaker 1: also perhaps sexual harassment too, so both were both resigned

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Speaker 1: at the same time. There's also another member of the

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Speaker 1: House of Republican, Corey Mills, who is accused of some

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Speaker 1: really heinous stuff and also has an ethics investigation against him.

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Speaker 1: Plus we have Cheryl Scherphilis McCormick who has resigned. She

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Speaker 1: was long story, but she's alleged to have taken five

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Speaker 1: million dollars in COVID funds and use them for campaigning.

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Speaker 4: Discuss So you're gonna have to invite me back so

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Speaker 4: we can spend more time talking about the culture of

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Speaker 4: misogyny and absolute ethical morass that exists on Capitol Hill.

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Speaker 4: But to your question, I actually think this relates back

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Speaker 4: to what we open with and the idea of gerrymandering

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Speaker 4: and what is fairness and what undergirds our democracy. Any

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Speaker 4: chamber where one person dying could upend the balance of

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Speaker 4: how we function as a government is probably not a

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Speaker 4: really stable system. And the idea that Tony Gonzalez could

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Speaker 4: not or would not be released from Congress until Eric

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Speaker 4: Swalwell also proved to be a monster in this insane

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Speaker 4: sort of eye for an I Hamabi's code of bad

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Speaker 4: people who need to be kept on a ledger because

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Speaker 4: one vote could make the difference on whether or not

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Speaker 4: the current president of the United States gets to run

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Speaker 4: around completely untracked and with no congressional investigations.

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Speaker 1: That's a bad system.

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Speaker 4: And when we think about everything that has contributed to

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Speaker 4: this moment, whether it is jerry mandering, whether it is

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Speaker 4: the Electoral College to determine our president. Whether it is

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Speaker 4: a Congress that has pretty much self neutered itself and

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Speaker 4: stepped away from its Article one obligations because Republicans.

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Speaker 1: Are in charge.

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Speaker 4: But you have the quote unquote people's House where people

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Speaker 4: are being held around, unethical people, bad people, people who

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Speaker 4: hate women, people who hate laws are being kept around

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Speaker 4: because that one vote makes a difference. That is not

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Speaker 4: in the service of the American people. It's not in

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Speaker 4: the service of their constituents, and that's a really tough

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Speaker 4: place for us to be as a country.

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Speaker 1: Meredith, thank you, thank you, thank you. Will you please

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Speaker 1: come back? Yes, I will come back anytime you want

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Speaker 1: to have.

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Speaker 5: Me, Molly.

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Speaker 1: Michael Calderon is the media editor of The rep. Michael Calderon,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Fast Pontank.

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Speaker 5: Thanks so much, Molly, you're here.

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Speaker 1: You might beloved an editor for like five years or something.

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Speaker 5: We had a form of this phone call like every day.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's great to have you here. And you've

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Speaker 1: come on to talk about the White House Correspondence Weekend,

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Speaker 1: which is at best. You know, there was actually Paul Fari, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: was a really smart Washington Post media critic. Washing Post died,

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Speaker 1: and now he's at the Atlantic and he had a

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Speaker 1: really good piece today about how even at its best,

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Speaker 1: the Correspondence Dinner is highly fraught, but this is not

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Speaker 1: at its best discuss no.

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Speaker 6: I mean, there has been a running critique of the

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Speaker 6: Correspondence Center that it just shows the kind of coziness,

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Speaker 6: the chumminess of Washington between reporters and the people that

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Speaker 6: they covered, the people they're supposed to be holding accountable.

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Speaker 5: And so a lot of people have criticized the dinner

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Speaker 5: over the years.

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Speaker 6: The New York Times stopped going in two thousand and

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Speaker 6: seven and hasn't come since because of this. They just

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Speaker 6: felt it's bad, the optics are bad, it's a bad look.

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Speaker 6: We can just cut the whole thing. The Correspondent Center

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Speaker 6: always invites the president, whether it's a Democrat or Republican,

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Speaker 6: and they did that throughout Donald Trump's first term.

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Speaker 5: He never came.

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Speaker 6: The first year of his second term, he didn't come.

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Speaker 6: And now they're coming. And that's where the problem is.

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Speaker 6: It's not inviting a Republican president. It's inviting a president

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Speaker 6: who has attacked the press mercilessly throughout the last fifteen

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Speaker 6: months and whose administration has clamped out on press access,

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Speaker 6: has threatened news organizations, and Trump personally has sued news organizations.

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Speaker 6: So you're going to have the guest of honor a

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Speaker 6: guy giving a speech sitting up on this platform who

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Speaker 6: has undermined the press, you know, throughout his second term.

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Speaker 5: That's why it's not normal.

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Speaker 1: Yes, he has undermined the press again. Like one of

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Speaker 1: the big problems. One of the big themes we see

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Speaker 1: in Trump world is like norms versus laws. So there

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Speaker 1: are a lot of things like like smashing the East

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Speaker 1: Way that is not illegal technically, but nobody ever tried

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Speaker 1: to do it until now. So talk us through this

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Speaker 1: sort of There are a lot of When you look

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Speaker 1: at the Washington Press Corps, they are governed by a

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Speaker 1: lot of norms.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, there's no law that reporters have to

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Speaker 6: be in the West Wing that they get to ask

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Speaker 6: the Press Secretary questions on a given day. These are

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Speaker 6: all these are all built out of relationships between the

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Speaker 6: Press Corps and the White House, regardless of who's in power.

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Speaker 6: These are the negotiations that happen in terms of access,

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Speaker 6: in terms of getting questions of the president. And so,

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Speaker 6: for instance, the White House Correspondence Association has long been

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Speaker 6: able to determine which reporters covered a president as part

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Speaker 6: of the pool. This is like, you know, if he's

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Speaker 6: in a small setting in the Oval Office, he's traveling,

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Speaker 6: he's at mar A Lago. It's very important to have

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Speaker 6: small group reporters that can cover it for the wider

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Speaker 6: press corps, for hundreds of other journalists. And one of

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Speaker 6: the first things this administration did in the second term

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Speaker 6: was take that away. They put it under the control

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Speaker 6: of the White House. One of the other first things

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Speaker 6: they did was bar the Associated Press from covering the

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Speaker 6: president up close because they refused to call the Gulf

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Speaker 6: of Mexico the Gulf of America. And it was these

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Speaker 6: types of restrictions that start in the beginning. And it's

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Speaker 6: not just that the White House. We saw this at

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Speaker 6: the Pentagon where the Pentagon put forth restrictions last fall

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Speaker 6: that drove dozens of news organizations to leave, including CBS News,

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Speaker 6: which is invited Pete hegset to sit at one of

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Speaker 6: their tables at the Correspondence And I think that's why

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Speaker 6: it feels different than past years, and that you have

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Speaker 6: administration officials like Pete Hegseth and even Brendan Carr, the

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Speaker 6: FCC chair who has targeted broadcasters, was invited by Paramount.

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Speaker 6: And of course Donald Trump is going to be sitting

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Speaker 6: up on the top of the stage.

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Speaker 1: I want you to talk about what's happening right now

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Speaker 1: with Paramount CBS. Barry Wise is a favorite of the

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Speaker 1: right wing billionaire class, is very involved in this Paramount murder.

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Speaker 1: CBS is about to to be part of this enormous

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Speaker 1: engine that is both TikTok and CNN if it passes.

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Speaker 1: She has not increased viewership at CBS, but she has

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Speaker 1: undermined a lot of the really good reputation that CBS

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Speaker 1: had as being nonpartisan. A lot of people of theories

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Speaker 1: about her are like why she's brought in or what

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Speaker 1: she's doing? What's yours?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I think David Ellison, who his company

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Speaker 6: Skydance merged with Paramount. Now he's trying to merge and

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Speaker 6: take over Warner Brothers Discovery, which is even bigger. It

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Speaker 6: means that not only will he control CBS, but would

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Speaker 6: control CNN potentially by the end of this year or

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Speaker 6: early next year. And you know, Ellison then bought The

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Speaker 6: Free Press for one hundred and fifty million dollars and

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Speaker 6: installed Barry Weiss, and I think he's given her a

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Speaker 6: lot of leeway. She has a lot of latitude to

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Speaker 6: make changes, and she is And I think one of

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Speaker 6: the issues with her early on was she abruptly pulled

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Speaker 6: a CBS sixty Minutes segment, which was extremely unusual. It

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Speaker 6: was hours before in a broadcast, this was after it

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Speaker 6: was being promoted. And I think one of the questions

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Speaker 6: with her is she making some of these moves for

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Speaker 6: political reasons, and certainly some people inside CBS think so,

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Speaker 6: Or is it just that she's a novice. She's never

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Speaker 6: worked in TV news. She hasn't even worked very much

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Speaker 6: in reporting or investigated reporting. Primarily, she's been a commentator,

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Speaker 6: and she's somebody who started a website that is largely

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Speaker 6: around her worldview, a kind of more right leaning, anti

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Speaker 6: woke point of view. That's fine, but she has never

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Speaker 6: done the type of journalism that you see at a

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Speaker 6: place like sixty Minutes And so the big fear now

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Speaker 6: at sixty Minutes is that their season is over in May,

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Speaker 6: and there's an expectation that she's going to really shake

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Speaker 6: up that broadcast. Now she already shook up the CBS

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Speaker 6: even news put Tony de cooppele there. She's made changes elsewhere.

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Speaker 6: But the issue at sixty minutes, this is their highest rated.

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Speaker 1: TVD crazy numbers, right, what are the numbers on sixty minutes?

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Speaker 5: This is a show that brings in ten million people.

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Speaker 1: It's crazy. By the way, there's nothing that brings in

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Speaker 1: ten million people.

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Speaker 5: It's an anomaly.

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Speaker 6: And so if you have a show that's doing really

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Speaker 6: strong journalism and is popular and you want to break

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Speaker 6: it up. So that's the issue right now inside sixty minutes.

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Speaker 6: And then so you have Barry Weis is going to

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Speaker 6: be at the dinner, David Ellison presumably be at the dinner.

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Speaker 6: They're reportedly throwing some kind of private function that said

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Speaker 6: it was not even an honor of just sixty it

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Speaker 6: was not even just an honor of CBS journalist, but

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Speaker 6: in honor of the Trump White House.

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Speaker 5: And yeah, playing out as they need.

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Speaker 6: Regulatory they need a regulatory approval to finish the Warner

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Speaker 6: Brothers Discovery merger. And that's the big one down the line.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's funny because there is another Fed governor

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Speaker 1: who I've talked to before, and she is constantly talking

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Speaker 1: about she's the one Democrat still on the committee, and

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Speaker 1: she talks about how a lot of stuff friend of

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Speaker 1: Carr is threatening, he can't actually do. Like, so much

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Speaker 1: of what we've seen is that the right has threatened

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Speaker 1: things and people have just rolled over. I'm thinking of

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Speaker 1: like Sherry Redstone canceling Colbert like things that just they're

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Speaker 1: just doing it because they're like, whatever is more than

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Speaker 1: obeying in events, obeying plus plus plus in advance. Where

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Speaker 1: else do you see that?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean we saw this last year when Paramount

685
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Speaker 6: was trying to merge with Skydance, and within weeks before

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Speaker 6: they finally got that approval, you know, Paramount negotiated this

687
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Speaker 6: multimillion dollar settlement with Donald Trump over his loss and

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Speaker 6: fifty minutes.

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Speaker 5: We've seen this before.

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Speaker 6: Abe Disney also settled with Donald Trump just as he

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Speaker 6: won the presidency over him suing because of something.

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Speaker 5: George Stephanopoulos said.

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Speaker 6: Donald Trump issued a lot of news organizations, and usually

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Speaker 6: these ins organizations fight back. The Wall Street Journal has,

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Speaker 6: the New York Times is, the BBC is But we

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Speaker 6: saw Paramount settle as they were trying to complete this merger,

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Speaker 6: and so you know, you're talking about Brendan Carr can't

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Speaker 6: control everything, and in some ways, the FCC is they

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Speaker 6: largely control even broadcast and radio. They can't control cable

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Speaker 6: and you know, other sort of platforms.

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Speaker 5: So he is limited in what he can do. But

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Speaker 5: the threats he can make.

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Speaker 6: You know, if a company has a merger down the line,

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Speaker 6: that's obviously going to make them think twice.

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Speaker 1: But it is funny because it's like, if you think

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Speaker 1: about Elon and the way in which Elon has really

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Speaker 1: done illegal stuff right with his companies, and even we've

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Speaker 1: seen him, you know, he'll say things like if Democrats

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Speaker 1: really investigate this, I'm going to jail, you know, that

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Speaker 1: kind of thing. That's not verbatim, but he's definitely intubated

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Speaker 1: that he's done stuff that has at best flaut of

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Speaker 1: the laws and at worst is illegal. But Democrats don't

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Speaker 1: seem to threaten that same way. They don't seem to Yeah.

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Speaker 5: They've never done with Brendan car did.

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Speaker 6: Which is an FCC chair saying that the president is

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Speaker 6: quote winning against the fake news media. I mean he's

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Speaker 6: taking a victory lap for Colbert for other instances in

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Speaker 6: which the media has seem to cave that has never

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Speaker 6: happened before, and we can we can play this game

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Speaker 6: a million times of could you imagine if Obama's FCC

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Speaker 6: chair was going after Fox News day in and day

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Speaker 6: out coverage was looked like it's something we've we've never

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Speaker 6: seen this, this kind of brazen this before, or you know,

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Speaker 6: trying to take a win for the president and it

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Speaker 6: comes as Trump as attacking. So to have the SEC

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Speaker 6: chair kind of echoing that the president is winning, it's

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Speaker 6: a whole new ballgame, and it's it's why all of

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Speaker 6: this is not particularly normal moment to invite the president

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Speaker 6: and his cabin and other officials to the Correspondence Center.

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Speaker 1: When you talk about the media, a lot of times

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Speaker 1: we end up talking about because the media is sort

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Speaker 1: of owned by a lot of rich, powerful people like

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Speaker 1: Jeff Bezos, like Loreen Pale Jobs. Now, Loreene has been

734
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Speaker 1: a really good star war right, she owns the Atlantic,

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Speaker 1: She's very building up right. Bezos has tried to crush

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Speaker 1: the Washington Post and has made it as small as

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Speaker 1: possible and has undermined the editorial page any which way.

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Speaker 1: So when we have this conversation about media, it often

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Speaker 1: just goes up to billionaires because billionaires own media, a

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Speaker 1: lot of billionaires on media. Do you think, as we're

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Speaker 1: watching this that we're a year and a half into

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Speaker 1: this Trump administration, what we've seen is that billionaires have

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Speaker 1: just signed off on everything, and as the normal people

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Speaker 1: who have been the brave ones, are you surprised by that?

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Speaker 1: Because remember we all live through that news cycle where

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Speaker 1: like Jeff Bezos was going to save democracy.

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Speaker 6: Yes, I mean, I think I think it was the

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Speaker 6: most telling moment was on day one of this whole

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Speaker 6: second term when we saw Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk

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Speaker 6: and Mark Zuckerberg all standing there with other captains of industry,

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Speaker 6: in the tech world, in the media world. And I

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Speaker 6: think the relationships between media owners has come under more

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Speaker 6: scrutiny in this term because we're seeing how is Patrick Schushan,

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Speaker 6: the owner of the Los Angeles Times, interacting with both

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Speaker 6: Trump and with Magoworld, Or what about Jeff Bezos. I mean,

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Speaker 6: and you know Jeff bezosg you know Amazon MGM, you know,

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Speaker 6: bought the Milania Trump documentary. Now, Jeff Bezos has said

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Speaker 6: that he wasn't involved in that position, but clearly his

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Speaker 6: company spent a tremendous amount of money to buy and

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Speaker 6: market a documentary, a flattering documentary about Malania Trump at

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Speaker 6: the same time that he's cutting.

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Speaker 5: Three hundred jobs from the Washington Post.

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Speaker 6: And so, yeah, I think it's I think it's it's

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Speaker 6: it's imperative to look at ownership and what are there

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Speaker 6: other you know, what is their other business before government?

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Speaker 6: And the thing is Amazon has other business for government,

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Speaker 6: so does you know Apple and Meta, but some other

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Speaker 6: media companies, you do have some individual owners who don't

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Speaker 6: have that. They don't have broadcasting license that could be threatened,

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Speaker 6: and they don't have, you know, other regulatory hurdles that

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Speaker 6: they have to get over. If you're just an independent,

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Speaker 6: rich person and you own a publication news site, you

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Speaker 6: might be in a different place than a bigger media

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Speaker 6: apparatus that has to worry about the broadcast license for

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Speaker 6: you know, TV and radio.

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about Trump has been doing this

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Speaker 1: thing where he when he gets into trouble, he calls reporters.

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Speaker 1: So he's been calling around reporters.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 1: Maggie Haberman, who's been covering him for a million years

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Speaker 1: and who covered him when he was just a New

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Speaker 1: York Whealis guy, said that this is kind of what

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Speaker 1: he's always done where he calls around reporters. The New

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Speaker 1: York Press Corps is a very sort of tough group

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Speaker 1: where you like, this is sort of the tabloid culture

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Speaker 1: of calling up reporters and giving them scoops, and by

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Speaker 1: giving them scoops you can shape the way that they

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Speaker 1: cover you, and also that you can make news by

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Speaker 1: saying lies. Explain to us what you see there and

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Speaker 1: why he seems to be able to use it to

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Speaker 1: such great success.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I have to back up Maggie. I mean,

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Speaker 6: she's covered him closer than anyone. But I say this

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Speaker 6: when I was very young, before I was a media reporter,

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Speaker 6: as a real estate reporter in New York, and one

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Speaker 6: of the interesting things was probably the easiest famous person

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Speaker 6: to get on the phone was Donald Trump, which as

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Speaker 6: a very young reporter was surprising. This is somebody who

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Speaker 6: seemed larger than life, big in New York. Real estate

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Speaker 6: was on TV. But if he called his office, they

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Speaker 6: would often put you through to him because he wanted

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Speaker 6: to give quotes, he wanted to be out there publicly,

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Speaker 6: and he's he's always lived that way. And that's why

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Speaker 6: with when the Iran War starts. Most of what we've

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Speaker 6: been hearing heard from Donald Trump, especially early on and

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Speaker 6: even throughout the past month or so, is little bits

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Speaker 6: of pieces that he tells reporters on the phone.

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Speaker 5: And there was a period where he must.

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Speaker 6: Have called a dozen or two dozen reporters over a

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Speaker 6: week period, and you know, oftentimes saying things that conflict

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Speaker 6: from one call to the next, but each one is

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Speaker 6: kind of treated as a headline. It's treated as big news.

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Speaker 6: And you see the White House reporters often going on

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Speaker 6: X and saying, just got off the phone with the President.

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Speaker 5: He tells me such and such about Iran. And you

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Speaker 5: know that can have an impact. I mean that can

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Speaker 5: move markets.

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Speaker 6: He's the president that can also generate other headlines, and

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Speaker 6: so you know, it created, especially early on, this kind

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Speaker 6: of fog of war where Trump was talking so much

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Speaker 6: to reporters and bits and pieces, and that's that's just

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Speaker 6: how he operates. And even reporters like Maggie Haberman he

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Speaker 6: attacks on true's social and it reportedly will have her

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Speaker 6: to the White House because she's writing a book on Trump.

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Speaker 6: It was all sorts of I think almost every reporter

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Speaker 6: who's been close to him has probably been attacked publicly,

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Speaker 6: but he still takes their calls and he often calls

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Speaker 6: them up when he has something to say.

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Speaker 1: He clearly is able to a lot of times win

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Speaker 1: the news cycle. One of the dynamics that I think

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Speaker 1: is really interesting about the Iranians is that Trump will

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Speaker 1: say things about Iran and the Iranians will be like,

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Speaker 1: s true. How unusual is it to have an American

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Speaker 1: president who's being debunked by the Iranians?

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Speaker 5: Yeah? I mean, but this is the challenge with this

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Speaker 5: administration at war. You would think being.

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Speaker 6: At war you would have kind of very sober press

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Speaker 6: conferences daily. At the Pentagon, we haven't had any of that.

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Speaker 6: Pentagon's press conferences are few and far between. They're certainly

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Speaker 6: not day and when we do have them, half the

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Speaker 6: time is Pete Hegsath berating the press corps, even though

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Speaker 6: half the people in that room now are from conservative,

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Speaker 6: right wing outlets, right wing influencers, because most of the

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Speaker 6: traditional press corps is gone, sometimes they let some of

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Speaker 6: the you know, major news outlets in there. That's the

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Speaker 6: thing that it's it's attacking the news media saying they're

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Speaker 6: against Trump, saying they're you know, unsupportive or the Pharisees

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Speaker 6: or whatever he's saying. That's one of the biggest problems

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Speaker 6: with the administration getting just accurate basic information. It's hard

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Speaker 6: to trust when when we've seen time and time again

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Speaker 6: Trump say things that are not true or dependagon, you know,

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Speaker 6: attack reporters instead of just giving the basic information at

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Speaker 6: the start of a press conference.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it is also just nuts. So I have

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Speaker 1: one last question for you, Cash. Patal is going to

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Speaker 1: sue The Atlantic for writing that he was an alcoholic.

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Speaker 1: Is he going to win?

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Speaker 5: Is it going to win?

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Speaker 6: I think I think it'd be really hard. Anyone can

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Speaker 6: sue for defamation. He's suing for two hundred and fifty

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Speaker 6: million dollars. Trump has sued outlets for ten million dollars.

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Speaker 6: I mean, you can put any number you want on it.

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Speaker 6: But he's going to have to prove that the Atlantic

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Speaker 6: acted with blatant disregard for the facts. They acted with

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Speaker 6: actual malice. And I think that's going to be our

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Speaker 6: just knowing the Atlantic and knowing the type of reporters.

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Speaker 6: And there's no doubt that lawyers vetted this story before

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Speaker 6: it was published, There's no but probably multiple editors read

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Speaker 6: this story and the thing about you know, anonymous sources,

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Speaker 6: they're not anonymous to the reporter, so that the reporter

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Speaker 6: and their editors know who these sources are and they

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Speaker 6: have trust in these confidential sources.

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Speaker 5: So no, I think I think it'd be very hard.

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Speaker 6: Like a lot of defamation suits, it's very hard to

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Speaker 6: prove that an outlet, especially like The Atlantic, is doing

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Speaker 6: this to get him versus they're trying to put something

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Speaker 6: out there in the public. But it's with hit me

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Speaker 6: right to sue, and it just goes, it goes across

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Speaker 6: with this whole thing we've been talking about, which is

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Speaker 6: like Trump and his allies in the administration either attacking journalists,

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Speaker 6: suing journalists, threatening journalists, and this is all playing out

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Speaker 6: as we're going to celebrate the First Amendment on Saturday.

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Speaker 1: Unbelievable. Michael Calder and I hope you'll come.

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Speaker 5: Back, definitely, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 3: There.

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Speaker 1: No cool Jesse.

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Speaker 3: Cannon by Joan Fastoo.

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Speaker 2: You know, one of the things that we always thank

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Speaker 2: our lucky stars for is the competence in the Trump administration,

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Speaker 2: But rarely do you hear from a voice inside the

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Speaker 2: house just how bad it was. And a ex Pam

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Speaker 2: Bondi aid a profile on Todd. Blanche is saying what

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Speaker 2: we all know, which is these people are so incompetent

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Speaker 2: and bad at their jobs that they can barely make

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Speaker 2: it happen.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thank god. So the career prosecutors, the smart people

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Speaker 1: don't want to do the job, only the dumb people

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Speaker 1: and also the alcoholics. I mean, that's what we're seeing.

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Speaker 1: So right now, the people fighting for the Pam Bondi

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Speaker 1: job are har Meet to Dylan and Judge Box of Wine,

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Speaker 1: a crew that is like they can't even shoot straight period.

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Speaker 5: Paragraph.

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Speaker 1: But this is Chad Mizell. He is Pam Bondi's former

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Speaker 1: chief's deaf, so he knows what goes on in that office,

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Speaker 1: and he thinks she was too dumb to ever get

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Speaker 1: anything done, something all of us have long suspected about

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Speaker 1: MAGA world, their dumbness, and it's nice to see they

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Speaker 1: are just as dumb as we thought they were. Bonnie's

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Speaker 1: biggest failures in the eyes of the public or her

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Speaker 1: handling of the Epstein files her incredible stupidity, you know,

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Speaker 1: and Donald Trump felt she did not move fast enough

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Speaker 1: for him. So this is something we say all the

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Speaker 1: time on this podcast, which is thank God, they're stupid,

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Speaker 1: because otherwise we would all be in even more Trump.

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Speaker 2: You know if this makes me think of one of

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Speaker 2: Ashley Sinclaire's recent videos where she talked about how she'd

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Speaker 2: go to these right wing conferences and it would be

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Speaker 2: like party, Party, Party, everybody's fucking each other, doing drugs

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Speaker 2: and drinking. Then she'd go to the Democrat ones. They're like,

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Speaker 2: all right, I'm gonna leave now, my families in the hotel,

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Speaker 2: see you later everyone.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're all that substance abuse problem. That's it for

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Speaker 1: this episode of Fast Politics. Tune in every Monday, Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: Thursday and Saturday to hear the best minds and politics

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Speaker 1: make sense of all this chaos. If you enjoy this podcast,

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Speaker 1: please send it to a friend and keep the conversation going.

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