Speaker 1: Any sense of what your success has done to Lab.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had to give Will McKenzie one of my
Speaker 2: backups because he couldn't get one until like the end
Speaker 2: of September, and that's a pro. And then a friend
Speaker 2: of mine, a friend of a friend, ordered one and
Speaker 2: is like eight months back ordered. So yeah, I think
Speaker 2: they're pretty busy.
Speaker 3: Put another log on the fire.
Speaker 4: Nobody he is getting time.
Speaker 5: Welcome to the fire pit with Matt Chanella.
Speaker 6: So Lucas Glover wins the Windham Championship and for anyone
Speaker 6: paying attention, especially his inner circle of friends, it wasn't
Speaker 6: that surprising. Mac Parnhart, Glover's longtime friend and manager, literally
Speaker 6: predicted it.
Speaker 7: And Mac just said, man, this is this is incredible,
Speaker 7: and you know this is amazing. And but he looked
Speaker 7: over at me and he goes, He's going to win Greensburro.
Speaker 8: That's the one. He's that's the one he's going.
Speaker 2: To win again.
Speaker 6: After three sessions with Jason Kuhn, the former Navy seal,
Speaker 6: and after putting a LAB putter in play in Memorial
Speaker 6: in June, Glover was on the definition of a heater
Speaker 6: in his twenty four rounds. After Memorial and at Mirfield.
Speaker 6: He had nineteen rounds in the sixties, which included a
Speaker 6: sixty two, sixty three and two sixty fours. He had
Speaker 6: only one round over par a seventy two in the
Speaker 6: second round of the Canadian Open. And now, after a
Speaker 6: decade of dealing with yips in what climaxed at setting
Speaker 6: the putter behind the ball and essentially push putting, Glover
Speaker 6: had his fifth win on the PGA Tour from a
Speaker 6: late Sunday night in Greensboro. As he got into his car,
Speaker 6: took the wheel and allowed him self a massive exhale.
Speaker 6: It was immediately onto Memphis, where he had just qualified
Speaker 6: for the first FedEx Cup playoff event.
Speaker 1: Now your mental switch that you've made with Jason, and
Speaker 1: then this change with the weapon you're using on the green,
Speaker 1: right like that's a tool. Right now, you've got a
Speaker 1: new tool, a new mind, but you've got the same
Speaker 1: old ball striking, and you've got that resolve and the
Speaker 1: grit and grind. Of course you go back. Of course,
Speaker 1: you validated the following week.
Speaker 9: I mean, of course, you break through that finish line
Speaker 9: as Mac described of a marathon runner in a collapse,
Speaker 9: and then you get back up and run another race
Speaker 9: and win it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that was Yeah. Like I said, you just
Speaker 2: kind of keep riding, rode the wave. There was just
Speaker 2: an extreme, extreme, extreme amount of confidence when I got
Speaker 2: to Memphis for all of the reasons you just said,
Speaker 2: And you've hit the nail exactly on the head by
Speaker 2: the ways you just said it. And I did say,
Speaker 2: you know, after Greensboro and in between that that you
Speaker 2: used a perfect word there, a weapon, And then it
Speaker 2: had been such a crutch for so long, and now
Speaker 2: I'm showing up with confidence on the greens and something
Speaker 2: I believe in and at a place again I like that.
Speaker 2: I've finished third there last year, I believe. And Crystal,
Speaker 2: in my wife, she was saying, you know, even leading up,
Speaker 2: she goes, you just need to get to Memphis because
Speaker 2: that's your course. And turned out Greensboro was and that's
Speaker 2: how I got to Memphis. But you know, she she
Speaker 2: called that one. If you just get there, you're gonna
Speaker 2: do good. You know, you're gonna do well. I think
Speaker 2: you can win there, man. You know, I agree with
Speaker 2: you just got to get there type situation. But then
Speaker 2: when we did get there, I was, you know, riding
Speaker 2: the high but also still thinking, man, I'm still feeling
Speaker 2: pretty fresh and still you know, love this place and
Speaker 2: playing nice and just played excellent golf the last six
Speaker 2: seven weeks. And you know, now the second season kind
Speaker 2: of starts, you know, the playoffs, and now now we
Speaker 2: can tick off some goals for next year, you know,
Speaker 2: maybe get in some majors, maybe get in the big events,
Speaker 2: signature events, And wouldn't pick a better time to be
Speaker 2: full of confidence and right now, and so let's do
Speaker 2: what we did last week and stick to what we've
Speaker 2: been doing, and you know, go have fun Putton and
Speaker 2: let's do it again.
Speaker 5: Which makes you really dangerous.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, every golfer, every athlete, you know, you confident
Speaker 2: and confident in what you're doing and how you're doing it,
Speaker 2: and you know feel fresh, pretty rested somehow. Yeah, very
Speaker 2: dangerous any anybody in that situation, in this situation.
Speaker 6: Glover opened with a sixty six, followed by a sixty four.
Speaker 6: He shot another sixty six on Saturday and started the
Speaker 6: final round with the lead. Some of the notable contenders
Speaker 6: were Tommy Fleetwood two back, Rory McElroy three back, and
Speaker 6: Patrick Cantley, who was five back. In the sweltering heat
Speaker 6: of a Southern summer. Rory and Cantley made a run
Speaker 6: and Glover seems to have finally hit a wall, but
Speaker 6: not on the greens. He's struggling getting to them, which
Speaker 6: is typically his strength and an indicator that he has spent.
Speaker 6: It's his putter that's actually saving him. Before we get
Speaker 6: to a mix of the CBS broadcast as Glover is
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Speaker 6: let's go to CBS on that Sunday, August thirteenth, twenty
Speaker 6: twenty three, as Glover, who has a one shot lead
Speaker 6: over Cantley, has a long putt to save par on
Speaker 6: the thirteenth.
Speaker 5: Ah, He's done it.
Speaker 10: Wow to look about clutch run to the next tea.
Speaker 6: On that next t a par three, he rinsed his iron.
Speaker 6: Here's Jim Nance and Ian Baker Finch on the call
Speaker 6: as he hits his third shot back to fourteen.
Speaker 11: Can he get it in close enough to make another
Speaker 11: good putt for the bogie?
Speaker 6: Here's Ian Baker Finch and Dottie Pepper on that putt
Speaker 6: to save bogie.
Speaker 12: Can he make two in a row?
Speaker 13: Yeah, yes he can.
Speaker 11: Water putt for Glover comm unbeliever twenty feet at the thirteenth,
Speaker 11: thirty feet for body here at fourteen.
Speaker 6: After a par at fifteen, he birdies the par five
Speaker 6: sixteenth to get back into a tie with can't lay
Speaker 6: at fifteen under this for par at seventeen. Baker Finch
Speaker 6: back on the call.
Speaker 11: Lind up straight, struck it straight and straight in the middle.
Speaker 11: Lurcus Glover has hung in there once again.
Speaker 6: After making par on the eighteenth, it was off to
Speaker 6: a playoff. Here's Jim Nance.
Speaker 14: Two men will battle it out in Memphis, Lucas Glover
Speaker 14: and Patrick Cantlay.
Speaker 6: Cantley rinsed his first playoff te shot and after Glover
Speaker 6: lagged up for an easy par, Patrick Cantley had a
Speaker 6: twenty two foot putt to extend the playoff back to.
Speaker 14: Nance has to make it or Glover is the champion.
Speaker 14: Got a chance? Oh sends the edge and Lucas Glover
Speaker 14: goes back to back, including the opening leg of the
Speaker 14: FedEx Cup playoffs one for the old guys.
Speaker 6: This was win number six for the forty three year
Speaker 6: old Glover, a life changing and career altering stretch of golf,
Speaker 6: with the yips seemingly in the rear view mirror. Back
Speaker 6: to mac Barnhardt.
Speaker 4: He went back to back on the PGA Tour against
Speaker 4: two of the best fields in the game, coming in
Speaker 4: with the FedEx Cup and all the pressure in the.
Speaker 14: Back that that that you can't believe. And then to
Speaker 14: add ind to that, you know it's it's one hundred
Speaker 14: and eighty thousand degrees. You know they're playing on the sun.
Speaker 14: You know, he hits it in the water on fourteen,
Speaker 14: whereas before you know that might have had a little
Speaker 14: Lucas did. I watched very closely when he hit in
Speaker 14: the water. He didn't, he didn't really do anything. You know,
Speaker 14: them just kind of went and walked over to the
Speaker 14: drop area. You know this guy, I mean, he's a
Speaker 14: he's a warrior now you know. But yeah, nobody will
Speaker 14: never know. No, And I'm glad you know that. I mean,
Speaker 14: nobody understands just the distractions of going from I don't
Speaker 14: know what was he one hundred and tenth and fed
Speaker 14: X to I don't know where he was, but he
Speaker 14: went to the top seventy FedEx or somethwhere top fifty.
Speaker 14: That alone is enough distraction to kind of go, let
Speaker 14: your outsigh relief. You know, I've made it. That's what happens.
Speaker 14: It's like the guy that finishes the race. They run
Speaker 14: through the tape, you know, they put their arms out
Speaker 14: and they run through the tape and then they collapse.
Speaker 14: Because that's kind of what went in the god urnament is.
Speaker 14: I mean, it takes so much out of you and
Speaker 14: when and so for him to come back in the
Speaker 14: heat again, same heat, to be rested and against the
Speaker 14: testament to Kobe who trains him and keeps him in
Speaker 14: line like that. But he's forty three too. He's not
Speaker 14: not a child. I mean, he's in GoF he's he's
Speaker 14: he's been playing twenty years out there to get that
Speaker 14: mental stamina to hang in there. It doesn't shock me
Speaker 14: with him, but it's still I mean, you would have
Speaker 14: been okay if he'd finished top five. He just said, Man,
Speaker 14: that was a great run to come back in a
Speaker 14: playoff and beat Patrick Cantley. Yeah, that was. I mean,
Speaker 14: for me, it's one of those things I'm standing there watching.
Speaker 14: I I mean, I was stunned. I don't. I think
Speaker 14: stunned is as easy as best all I can say
Speaker 14: to me.
Speaker 1: It goes at that point, it goes from being a
Speaker 1: golf story to a sports story.
Speaker 14: I agree.
Speaker 2: I agree.
Speaker 14: He's a sportsman, so it would make sense, you know,
Speaker 14: and you know that is when you know you know Lucas.
Speaker 14: I think it was he hit nine greens on Sunday
Speaker 14: at Memphis, and I remember I think he said to
Speaker 14: me he didn't feel like that mini greens or something
Speaker 14: kind of but and I was like, I remember saying
Speaker 14: to him, I said, Amen, I go, these guys can't
Speaker 14: let you beat them hitting nine greens. Got we got
Speaker 14: some we got They better be paying attention because you know,
Speaker 14: Lucas is the thirteen fourteen green guy day right, and
Speaker 14: you can't let him beat you hitting nine dreams.
Speaker 6: Back to Lucas Glover again. Our conversation was in September,
Speaker 6: a few weeks after his back to back wins in
Speaker 6: August of twenty twenty three.
Speaker 5: You're in the bloodstream, You're you are, this is you.
Speaker 5: This is your personal story. Are you able to see
Speaker 5: that it goes from like that's a damn good golf
Speaker 5: story to holy shit, this is a sports story.
Speaker 2: Yeah? I think so, But mainly for the reasons I
Speaker 2: mentioned earlier. Is those you know, the stories of perseverance
Speaker 2: and the stories of self belief and hard work and
Speaker 2: believing in yourself and all those cliches that we attached
Speaker 2: to sports, and unfortunately not enough to two people outside
Speaker 2: of sports that that are doing the same things in
Speaker 2: different ways. But but yeah, yeah, I see that, and
Speaker 2: I hope I hope people see it or some one
Speaker 2: person sees it and changes their mindset about something. Just
Speaker 2: that'll be enough for me. But but yeah, I do
Speaker 2: understand the influence is the right word. But I do
Speaker 2: understand the impact. That's the there's the word that that
Speaker 2: that it could have and that makes me. That makes
Speaker 2: me happy and more thankful is that, like we said,
Speaker 2: we can I can use this to to push my
Speaker 2: kids in a in a positive way, and then other
Speaker 2: people that that may be able to use this as
Speaker 2: as a as a motivator.
Speaker 9: Isn't it really just about like your son or your
Speaker 9: daughter saying, I'm proud of you, daddy, and that now
Speaker 9: you've given them, You've given them the thing that they'll
Speaker 9: be able to hold on to for like you know,
Speaker 9: you're referencing your grandfather and the accomplishments he's had. You know,
Speaker 9: they'll be able to reference you for the rest of
Speaker 9: their life.
Speaker 1: And I saw my.
Speaker 9: Because they're at an age where it's not like they're
Speaker 9: one or two or even you know, thirty or thirty two.
Speaker 9: They're at a very tender, impactful agent. Isn't that what
Speaker 9: it's about?
Speaker 2: One hundred percent? One hundred percent you know if you yeah,
Speaker 2: you hope in life you reach them first, you know
Speaker 2: your bubble. If not, you're doing it wrong, right, You
Speaker 2: just hope you get that chance one hundred percent. Yeah,
Speaker 2: well yeah, absolutely and yeah, but yeah, back to what
Speaker 2: we said, you know, practice what you preach, and now
Speaker 2: I can have a I have something I can point
Speaker 2: to and say, remember you were there, that's that was
Speaker 2: that moment, that's where it all came and h and yeah,
Speaker 2: just to have that opportunity to have that, to have
Speaker 2: that potential impact on them, it was all that all
Speaker 2: that any of us care about as parents.
Speaker 6: Amen to that. Back to Michael Simms, Glover's longtime friend.
Speaker 7: Again, Matt, it was it was neat to see everything
Speaker 7: kind of it was neat to see Mac do his thing,
Speaker 7: you know, and put pieces of the puzzle kind of
Speaker 7: on the table, and then to watch them all get
Speaker 7: put together is uh, it's exciting, It's really really cool.
Speaker 6: A big part of what was put together was Jason
Speaker 6: Kohn again, the former Navy seal.
Speaker 5: To win a PGA Tour event is bonkers. There's only
Speaker 5: like you know, there's only one every week and the
Speaker 5: rest are all losers in theory. So to see Lucas
Speaker 5: do that at then to follow it up with all
Speaker 5: the other distractions that come with a win and the
Speaker 5: exhaustion that comes with with a win, mental, physical, you know,
Speaker 5: you got to get up and then get to the
Speaker 5: next venue and get right in and you're talking about
Speaker 5: full field like, you know, these are He's not winning
Speaker 5: low level events. These are elite level events. Playoffs would
Speaker 5: be shocking to everybody else in this It's it wasn't
Speaker 5: just a golf story. It was a sports story. This
Speaker 5: was this was transcendent at that point. To win back
Speaker 5: to back PGA Tour events is absolutely mind boggling shocking
Speaker 5: to the general public and anybody who actually follows the
Speaker 5: game at a high level. But was it surprising to you?
Speaker 15: No, I mean I wouldn't say it was surprising a
Speaker 15: little bit, of course, because of the odds that are involved.
Speaker 15: But I've always felt like an underdog, and I've always
Speaker 15: rooted for the underdog, and that's what we set out
Speaker 15: to do, you know. And I mean, yeah, originally it's
Speaker 15: We're going to overcome the yips and get your game
Speaker 15: back on par and start moving up the ladder and whatever.
Speaker 4: But you won back to back.
Speaker 16: I mean, you know, I mean with.
Speaker 15: Our intention though, that's what we want to do. We
Speaker 15: want to keep that up, you know. And yeah, I
Speaker 15: mean it's I was just I guess I've had a
Speaker 15: surprised of course, a little bit. But you know, I
Speaker 15: think that critics and the low odds, rather than being
Speaker 15: defining characteristics of our capability, they're natural properties of difficult tasks.
Speaker 15: That's what makes them special and worthy of pursuit. And
Speaker 15: it's the pursuit of an aim that keeps our soul
Speaker 15: alife more so than the accomplishment of it. And so
Speaker 15: why limit ourselves with Okay, well, if we get in
Speaker 15: the top twenty, that'll be good enough, you know, Or
Speaker 15: if we get in this that or the other thing,
Speaker 15: that'll be good enough. Like let's set our sites on
Speaker 15: winning this and winning all of them. Why wouldn't we,
Speaker 15: you know, And we'll see what happened. But that's the intention.
Speaker 15: I mean, we don't go out on a mission and
Speaker 15: the Seal teems to kind of feel it out and
Speaker 15: see how it goes. We're going out to absolutely dominate,
Speaker 15: you know, destroying, destroying, demoralize on our opponent as soon
Speaker 15: as possible. Now in competition, of course, there's some moral
Speaker 15: ethical boundaries that are different from combat and things like that,
Speaker 15: but that's what we're going into. Absolutely crush the competition.
Speaker 15: We're going in to win every single time, all of them.
Speaker 1: It must be so rewarding it is to be you
Speaker 1: and to have this kind of impact on people's lives
Speaker 1: because they must feel so lost and so embarrassed.
Speaker 5: We're so you know, angst ridden, and then you're able
Speaker 5: to like bring it.
Speaker 15: Back it's very meaningful to me, and it's incredibly rewarding.
Speaker 15: And it's because when I was in college, I never
Speaker 15: heard of the term yips. Until the years after I
Speaker 15: was done playing. I didn't know what had happened. I
Speaker 15: just knew it was some sort of anomaly, you know.
Speaker 15: I knew I wasn't mentally weak, and then I went
Speaker 15: and I proved that by going through buds and seal
Speaker 15: training and how weak.
Speaker 2: But I never really knew.
Speaker 15: But when I take myself back to that point in time,
Speaker 15: and I think, I kind of try to not go
Speaker 15: there too often. It was so dark, and it was
Speaker 15: so hard, and it was so embarrassing, and it was
Speaker 15: frustrating because you don't know how to describe it to anyone,
Speaker 15: you know, and it's very lonely and you feel like
Speaker 15: you're the only person in the world. This was before
Speaker 15: social media, so you can't get on there and look
Speaker 15: it up, you know, like AOL I think was coming
Speaker 15: around about that time or something, you know, the dial
Speaker 15: up internet, so it's not like you can hop on Google.
Speaker 15: And even if we had, I wouldn't know what the
Speaker 15: college because I've never heard of the yips, you know,
Speaker 15: I just it was so hard, but I found God
Speaker 15: through it, I developed I learned about myself through it.
Speaker 15: I got better through it, and I think that implosion
Speaker 15: of made me a person capable of becoming a Navy seal.
Speaker 15: And then through the sealed teams, the experiences, relationships developed,
Speaker 15: and confidence gained, all sorts of things helped me develop
Speaker 15: a solution for this problem. And it's incredibly rewarding and
Speaker 15: meaningful to me to help athletes with it. And that's
Speaker 15: why it's it's always a different version of the same story,
Speaker 15: you know, when they come to me and start talking
Speaker 15: through it, and.
Speaker 6: Yeah, let's go back to Glover.
Speaker 1: Was it just like this massive stress test and then
Speaker 1: you now you're able to kind of stop down, reflect
Speaker 1: and reset and reconfigure your future.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, for sure. You know, go from Memphis
Speaker 2: to Chicago and still kind of riding the high there,
Speaker 2: just didn't play that great and then kind of ran
Speaker 2: out of gas in Atlanta. To be honest, I was exhausted,
Speaker 2: but yeah, got home, yeah, yeah, and then got home
Speaker 2: and I've just been home. Man, it's been awesome and
Speaker 2: just yeah, I don't haven't been talking about it much,
Speaker 2: but I've sure been thinking about it a lot, and yeah,
Speaker 2: it's just reflecting on it. But again, I'm not really
Speaker 2: that way. I'm like, well, all right, let's use this,
Speaker 2: let's use this, let's go have the best year we've
Speaker 2: had next year. And I'm in all the majors, I'm
Speaker 2: in all the signature events. And you know, I got
Speaker 2: home and Sunday night and Tuesday I was in the
Speaker 2: gym and and just motivated, just and happy and it's fun.
Speaker 2: And I played golf one time since Atlanta, and but
Speaker 2: it's not ever too far from my brain. And just
Speaker 2: trying to get back in shape and get my body
Speaker 2: where I wanted and play a couple of times this fall,
Speaker 2: and and uh, just stay fresh for twenty four.
Speaker 1: So fun.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, it is so fun.
Speaker 6: Back to Michael Simms.
Speaker 7: You know, it wasn't until after the Tour Championship that
Speaker 7: I got to say some of the things that I
Speaker 7: wanted to really say to him, just really really proud
Speaker 7: of really proud of them, and.
Speaker 1: Give me a give me a nugget or two of
Speaker 1: what you really wanted to say to them.
Speaker 7: I think that's just between Lucas and I. Some things
Speaker 7: are best left unsaid, you know.
Speaker 2: There there.
Speaker 8: I mean I love the man, So it's it's uh, it.
Speaker 7: Was nothing, but really really, you know, it was it was,
Speaker 7: it was great things, it was, it was really cool.
Speaker 8: It was nice. It was a really really nice conversation.
Speaker 1: A person like Michael Simms, What what is it about
Speaker 1: out him and that relationship? That's that that you know?
Speaker 1: Is that just like best friendship? Is that the best
Speaker 1: way to describe a relationship like with a guy like Michael.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's he's very good at wording things in ways
Speaker 2: that make you He just tells it like it is.
Speaker 2: He just says, You're never ever ever going to admit
Speaker 2: to me that how awesome that was. But I'm here
Speaker 2: to tell you that was awesome, and you're never ever
Speaker 2: ever going to brag about it. But I'm going to
Speaker 2: brag to you. So you have to hear it. And
Speaker 2: just you know, everybody needs that friend. When it's good,
Speaker 2: he reminds you. And then when it's bad, it's never
Speaker 2: that bad. But yeah, he's seen it, he's lived it,
Speaker 2: he's played the game, he struggled with the game, and yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, he but he's not the type of friend
Speaker 2: that tries to fix everything. He wants to hear it.
Speaker 2: From me. He wants to hear my struggles, and then
Speaker 2: he thinks about it for a little bit, and then
Speaker 2: a few days later, you know, I've been thinking about that.
Speaker 2: And it's never that quick fix. It's never that knee
Speaker 2: jerk reaction. It's always well, let me you know. And
Speaker 2: he never says it, but he thinks on it for
Speaker 2: a little bit and then he he'll come back to
Speaker 2: you with an idea. And but his relationship is has
Speaker 2: been key in it, just because he's grounding, but he
Speaker 2: also reminds me that it's still supposed to be fun,
Speaker 2: it's still supposed to be enjoyable. And uh, it's just
Speaker 2: a constant reminder that that I'm still good enough. I
Speaker 2: just got to enjoy it and just have fun with it.
Speaker 6: To Mac Barnhard again for his reflections on Glover's finish
Speaker 6: to his season, this.
Speaker 14: Is this is to be continued is the way I
Speaker 14: look at it, right. I mean, this is not we
Speaker 14: didn't This isn't he found on something he's always hit.
Speaker 14: He's always hit it as well, so and he didn't
Speaker 14: really hit it as well coming in. He was just tired.
Speaker 14: He's always hit it well and this isn't like he
Speaker 14: found a putting stroke where he found I mean, I
Speaker 14: think he found Lucas and it could get, really, it
Speaker 14: could get. We could have some fun now. I mean
Speaker 14: this cat can, he can, He's always been able to
Speaker 14: hit it. But I don't think anybody like I said,
Speaker 14: you have to be closest game to understand how fans
Speaker 14: are and how they say how much they appreciate what
Speaker 14: he did. I mean, he went from nowhere to there.
Speaker 6: There was back to back wins, five top tens in
Speaker 6: the ten events after Memorial and he was in the
Speaker 6: conversation for the Ryder Cup team. Glover had made it
Speaker 6: clear he wanted to be wearing red, white and blue.
Speaker 6: After Memphis. Glover, the hottest player in the world literally
Speaker 6: and figuratively, sat in sixteenth in the Ryder Cup standings
Speaker 6: after the Memphis win, and in the press conference, he
Speaker 6: answered questions about playing for his country, first from Rex Hoggard,
Speaker 6: second question from Doug Ferguson.
Speaker 12: I know this has cappened kind of fast, but in
Speaker 12: the last I don't know five starts. Has the Ryder
Speaker 12: Cup gotten on your mind at all? About fifteen minutes ago,
Speaker 12: what'd you think? I think I've never made it and
Speaker 12: I want to.
Speaker 17: And if you, I think you'd have to win next
Speaker 17: week to earn your spot onto the team.
Speaker 12: If you don't, would you pick you.
Speaker 2: Right now? Yes? Playing pretty good golf, and I think
Speaker 2: I'd be pretty good in the team room and be
Speaker 2: a good partner, So yeah, absolutely I would.
Speaker 6: After the win in Memphis, Glover finished T. Twenty two
Speaker 6: at the BMW Championship, and in the Tour Championship, his
Speaker 6: ninth event in ten weeks, he finished T. Eighteen and then,
Speaker 6: as we all know by now, on August thirtieth, Glover
Speaker 6: was passed up by captain Zach Johnson to play for
Speaker 6: Team USA. Here's Mac Barnhart.
Speaker 2: If you're Zach.
Speaker 1: Johnson, would you have put him on your team?
Speaker 14: Two seconds? Two seconds? Jackson neighbor down the road here.
Speaker 14: I mean, I've been in that war room with Davis
Speaker 14: when they're doing pigs. It's not easy.
Speaker 2: It's not easy.
Speaker 14: But I mean he and Keingan Bradley, I mean, probably
Speaker 14: two hottest players in the world. Yeah, you know, like
Speaker 14: I say, we're gratefully disappointed. We're disappointed and that we
Speaker 14: didn't do it. We're grateful that we were even part
Speaker 14: of the conversation. I'm like that, but would not to
Speaker 14: take Lucas Glover if he gave you any hint that
Speaker 14: he was ready to play. I don't even I can't
Speaker 14: even find them what anybody was thinking. I mean, Brian
Speaker 14: Harmon and Lucas Glover. Put them together, and they're not
Speaker 14: going to miss the fairwell, they're not going to miss
Speaker 14: a green and both of.
Speaker 2: Them can pie.
Speaker 1: Michael Simms, if you're Zach Johnson, do you pick Lucas
Speaker 1: Glover to be on that Ryder Cup team?
Speaker 7: I mean, I mean, I do, you know, but that's
Speaker 7: that's neither here nor there. He's got so many great
Speaker 7: things to look forward to in these next you know,
Speaker 7: with this next season and moving.
Speaker 8: Forward with his with his own career, Like.
Speaker 7: You know, that stuffs great, but you know it's it's
Speaker 7: a it's a nice little show. And then and that
Speaker 7: I would love for him to be a part of
Speaker 7: because I know what I know what that means to him.
Speaker 7: You know, he's he's played on the Walker Cup team and.
Speaker 8: It would have been really really special.
Speaker 7: Let's just say that, and and uh, but I know
Speaker 7: there's a lot of other things that are involved, and
Speaker 7: it's pretty neat that he's in the conversation again, awesome
Speaker 7: that he's in the conversation when I picked.
Speaker 8: Him, Yeah, he's hot. Would I want Lucas putting for
Speaker 8: me right now?
Speaker 7: Absolutely? Would I want him hitting the T ball for me? Yes,
Speaker 7: what I want. And he's a team player, and you know,
Speaker 7: like I said, he's got a lot of heart and
Speaker 7: like Mac always says, you can't measure that.
Speaker 6: Let's give Glover the final word on the Ryder Cup.
Speaker 1: Would you have picked yourself to be on that Ryder
Speaker 1: Cup team?
Speaker 2: Yes, I said it then, I'll say it now. And
Speaker 2: you know, they they revamped the system to pick the
Speaker 2: hot guy, and he was pretty hot. You know, gave
Speaker 2: out a gas there in Atlanta, didn't have the greatest finish,
Speaker 2: but you know, I felt like I fit the criteria.
Speaker 2: I guess I kind of understand why I didn't, But
Speaker 2: you know, I, uh, one hundred and one under par
Speaker 2: since Detroit, I would think that's pretty hot.
Speaker 1: Mac called it grateful, disappointment, grateful, grateful to be in
Speaker 1: the conversation, disappointed to not be in the tournament.
Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent. And that's exactly what Tommy said
Speaker 2: as well. A texting texted him that we weren't going,
Speaker 2: and he says, well, back in June, if we you
Speaker 2: told me we were having this conversation, uh, we just
Speaker 2: said you're crazy. But but yeah, that's perfectly termed grateful disappointment. Yeah,
Speaker 2: exactly right.
Speaker 1: Zach is you know you guys are you guys? Are
Speaker 1: you guys?
Speaker 2: Are in?
Speaker 9: Been been in and around, You've been been friends, you know, peers, competitors,
Speaker 9: you know a long time?
Speaker 1: Was that it was it? Do you think it was
Speaker 1: tougher on you or tougher on him to to make
Speaker 1: that call or feel that call?
Speaker 2: Probably him. I've talked to several former captains and they said,
Speaker 2: that's the hardest part of the gig. And uh, you know,
Speaker 2: Zach came, Zach and I came out together and four
Speaker 2: on tour in the same class on corn Ferry and
Speaker 2: O three and been friendly and friends, very friendly ever since.
Speaker 2: And in the back of my head, knowing that how
Speaker 2: difficult that was from hearing it from other people, I
Speaker 2: just didn't make it any harder than I knew it
Speaker 2: was for him. Just said, amen, I understand, no problem,
Speaker 2: good luck, and uh, I'll be pulling for you and
Speaker 2: that you know, So yeah, I can only imagine how
Speaker 2: difficult that was, because you know, as the captain, how
Speaker 2: how much everybody else wants it, and uh yeah, I
Speaker 2: had to be very difficult in that conversation.
Speaker 1: Does he just simply tell you that that he wasn't
Speaker 1: able to pick here or does he tell you that
Speaker 1: he picked someone up?
Speaker 8: Like?
Speaker 1: Is it just a short conversation? Probably not long?
Speaker 2: No, No, wasn't long. I made like I said, I'll
Speaker 2: try to make it as short as possible and as
Speaker 2: easy only as possible. He just said that what in
Speaker 2: uh uh what in the what in the fit? He
Speaker 2: was looking for type conversation. So that's fine.
Speaker 6: Meanwhile, let's go back to lab golf. Here's Sam Han
Speaker 6: reflecting on Glovers back to backs.
Speaker 17: I'm just so happy for him, man, I mean this
Speaker 17: is you know, as anybody who's in the golf world knows.
Speaker 17: I mean, this is one of golf's best dudes. Like,
Speaker 17: just so awesome, and I applaud obviously, the resurgence is
Speaker 17: incredible and staying on, you know, committed to trying something different.
Speaker 17: All that stuff's really impressive. What I find equally, if
Speaker 17: not more impressive, is the fact that the dude kept
Speaker 17: his card for ten years with the yips like that.
Speaker 17: That takes a level like and and now that I
Speaker 17: think about it, when I realized that that he did
Speaker 17: that he kept his card with the yips, which nobody does.
Speaker 17: Like the dude who finishes one hundred and ninety eight
Speaker 17: on tour and putting loses his card every year, period
Speaker 17: like period.
Speaker 2: And he didn't.
Speaker 17: And he didn't because he had a level of acceptance,
Speaker 17: you know, about what he was dealing with, and you know,
Speaker 17: and you'd see him miss short pots. I'm sure he'd
Speaker 17: get mad, he slapped his leg or whatever, but like
Speaker 17: for the most part, you miss your your your fourth
Speaker 17: four foot of a round, that next drive is going
Speaker 17: in the fucking trees and then you're hitting the tree
Speaker 17: trying to punch out, and then you're shooting seventy six
Speaker 17: and you're going home. And he didn't, you know, he
Speaker 17: had this, he had he had enough of the ability
Speaker 17: to compartmentalize his putting that allowed him to maintain his
Speaker 17: extraordinary ball striking. And he's one of like two guys
Speaker 17: that I can think of pretty much, him and Sergio
Speaker 17: Garcia the only two guys that have that have transcended
Speaker 17: horrendous putting with other worldly ball striking, and he did it,
Speaker 17: you know, and he compartmentalizes putting with sings another yuy, yeah,
Speaker 17: absolutely great call, great call yeah, And and totally exact
Speaker 17: same thing, where these guys just didn't let their shitty
Speaker 17: putting bother them and they knew they were going to
Speaker 17: hit it well enough to maintain.
Speaker 2: And then.
Speaker 1: Ben Hogan for that matter, fucking he tested fucking putting.
Speaker 17: Of course, he said they should be two different games,
Speaker 17: and before Lab I used to agree.
Speaker 6: In two weeks of wins, Glover doubled his career earnings
Speaker 6: in the previous five years out on tour, which included
Speaker 6: a win at the John Deere.
Speaker 17: By the way, what.
Speaker 1: Does that meant for the LAB business? How many putt?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 18: What?
Speaker 1: How obscene? Is this from a business perspective?
Speaker 17: It's obscene, but not catastrophic. Explain if he'd have won
Speaker 17: with a conventional directed force, it would have been catastrophic.
Speaker 17: I mean, we'd have had way more orders than we
Speaker 17: would have been able to fulfill in the next six months.
Speaker 17: It's been a massive explosion for sure. I mean business
Speaker 17: is virtually doubled overnight, but it didn't quadruple because it
Speaker 17: was a broomstick, so so which is interesting too, Like
Speaker 17: I have it in my head that if it had
Speaker 17: been Adam winning two weeks in a row. Yeah, Lucas's
Speaker 17: win definitely validated the technology in a lot of minds.
Speaker 17: For the for the avid golfer who knows who we
Speaker 17: are and starting to see him pop up at their
Speaker 17: country club and seeing them around wondering what these things about.
Speaker 17: Lucas winning definitely validated some of the tech. It also
Speaker 17: validated broomsticking because I think in the mind of the
Speaker 17: average golfer, I would say that him switching to a
Speaker 17: broom was probably more relevant in their minds than than
Speaker 17: the technology in that room. And so it's been really funny.
Speaker 17: I would I guarantee guarantee that we've broke an all
Speaker 17: time global broomstick sales record in the last two weeks.
Speaker 9: This is what like give me like you you went
Speaker 9: from like selling five putters a week or whatever the
Speaker 9: number was.
Speaker 17: We sold more broomsticks in the last week than we
Speaker 17: had in the last two years combined. We had one
Speaker 17: we had one one entity.
Speaker 2: What they called uh.
Speaker 17: Golf Golf Supply like in Alabama or something like that
Speaker 17: called up the next dame about one hundred and twenty brooms,
Speaker 17: which is greaty.
Speaker 5: They sell it five hundred bucks apiece or or or
Speaker 5: seven Yeah.
Speaker 17: Yeah, I mean we we got all kinds of fun
Speaker 17: custom upgrades. I think if you're growing straight steel, yeah,
Speaker 17: maybe it's like five fifty five seventy five something like that.
Speaker 17: Next shaft up is going to be six fifty, which
Speaker 17: is probably the acroshaft, which is probably the most popular
Speaker 17: of everybody ordering these things up. And then you know
Speaker 17: you put the the you know, a couple other high
Speaker 17: end chefts that we have in there. You know, you
Speaker 17: spend a thousand bucks pretty quick on one of those things.
Speaker 17: And yeah, I mean it's been crazy, and so we've
Speaker 17: got so many first time broomstickers, which, like I said,
Speaker 17: I think if it was Adam, I don't think it
Speaker 17: would have had that effect. It might have had the effect,
Speaker 17: it would have had the effect on lab like it
Speaker 17: would have had. You know, we would have seen massive
Speaker 17: sales increases and all that, but I don't think it
Speaker 17: would have been nearly as broomstick specific as it was
Speaker 17: with Lucas because of how well documented his short putting
Speaker 17: woes were.
Speaker 2: And so.
Speaker 17: You know in the way he's telling the story too,
Speaker 17: kind of I think makes broomsticking seem like less intimidating,
Speaker 17: less scary. By the way.
Speaker 2: I love putting with a broomstick.
Speaker 17: It's an awesome way to put and I had never
Speaker 17: touched one until we started prototyping for Adam, and I
Speaker 17: developed my own technique on my own, just most of
Speaker 17: so I could figure out which feels good and understand
Speaker 17: the feedback that he was giving us on how to
Speaker 17: make these things and how they were supposed to look
Speaker 17: and feel and whatever. And I think it's an incredible
Speaker 17: way to putt. And it's just so funny, like when
Speaker 17: people grab it. When I'm putting with one, and people
Speaker 17: grab it to try it. You got four seconds. They
Speaker 17: pull it back. It's so heavy, they feel it fall
Speaker 17: to the inside, they loop it around. It feels all
Speaker 17: completely out of control, and they're like, geek, not for me,
Speaker 17: and they don't give it another try when all it
Speaker 17: takes is another fifteen seconds and somebody's saying like, no,
Speaker 17: this is how you make it work, and then it'll work.
Speaker 6: Back to Adam Beach, owner of my Golf Spy and
Speaker 6: independent company testing anything in everything, A golfer buys and uses.
Speaker 9: What are your thoughts knowing what you know about LAB
Speaker 9: putters and this technology, and then knowing how hard it
Speaker 9: is to keep your card and be Lucas Glover and
Speaker 9: then to win back to back, what are your thoughts
Speaker 9: on that?
Speaker 5: Is it validation or is it a some.
Speaker 9: Or what.
Speaker 19: Lots of golfers over the history of time have found
Speaker 19: the putter that work for them, right, So LAB is
Speaker 19: not unique in that. Right, Lucas Glover found the putter
Speaker 19: that is working for him.
Speaker 2: That's great.
Speaker 19: But the interesting thing is we're finding that with so
Speaker 19: many people and it's not broken out into the tour
Speaker 19: yet because it is an oddity. So where you're seeing
Speaker 19: it is and people that were willing to take a
Speaker 19: chance to solve a really hard problem.
Speaker 16: Adam Scott.
Speaker 19: A lot of the people on the live you're seeing
Speaker 19: play with it, Lucas Glover, and it's solving the problem.
Speaker 19: But what you're not seeing on TV because they don't
Speaker 19: cover amateurs, is this putter is solving problems like that
Speaker 19: for people all over the world that aren't professional golfers,
Speaker 19: which is the really cool thing.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 19: The other thing too, that I think is great for
Speaker 19: Lucas Glover Lab golfers in general is like you said,
Speaker 19: at the end of a tournament, the camera is focused
Speaker 19: on the putter, right, And if a putter can win
Speaker 19: a big tournament, go back to Payne Stewart and Seymour Putters.
Speaker 19: I was actually involved with Seymour Putters at a time
Speaker 19: like that, and I remember there were thirty thousand orders
Speaker 19: that came in and actually bankrupted the company because they
Speaker 19: couldn't keep up with the orders. LAB is going to
Speaker 19: have a similar situation. And here's why. If it was
Speaker 19: just a Scottie Cameron winning, a few people would go
Speaker 19: out and buy it. But not only is this putter
Speaker 19: winning and helping a golfer, but it's such a polarizing
Speaker 19: looking design like Seymour's was back in the day that
Speaker 19: people go Every golfer is looking for the solution, the
Speaker 19: club that can take them from a ninety to seventy two,
Speaker 19: and they actually think there's a single club for a
Speaker 19: training aid.
Speaker 14: That can do that.
Speaker 19: So this gives them hope, right, and every golfer is
Speaker 19: looking for hope. I just talked to my dad. He's
Speaker 19: eighty years old, and look, he's never figured it out.
Speaker 19: But he calls me, he said, I think I finally
Speaker 19: figured it out. So Okay, sure, I mean he's still
Speaker 19: he's still got that hope.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 19: So when people see that lab putter, help a guy
Speaker 19: like Lucas Sclover that has had the yips with a putter,
Speaker 19: and they they also relate to that struggle because all
Speaker 19: of us have struggled like that. That's human, right, that's amateur.
Speaker 19: And now see an amateur be able to put as
Speaker 19: well as he has with this putter.
Speaker 2: That's real.
Speaker 19: I mean, it's just authentic.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 8: You can't you can't.
Speaker 6: You can't manufacture that from Adam Beach to Adam Scott.
Speaker 9: Okay, now here comes Lucas Glover. Where where at what point?
Speaker 9: At what point do you uh, where was it or
Speaker 9: how was it in which you had a conversation which
Speaker 9: you know, Lucas ultimately ends up with a lab in
Speaker 9: his bag?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. I don't know.
Speaker 20: What I did notice this year wash and last year
Speaker 20: was a few guys came to talk to me about it.
Speaker 20: Charles Waltzel talked to me about it last year at
Speaker 20: the Byron Nelson and Thursday morning he was still unsure whether.
Speaker 2: He should put it in or not?
Speaker 20: Uh, And I said, well, you know, I'm not here
Speaker 20: to tell you whether you should put it in play
Speaker 20: or not, but why don't you just do the same
Speaker 20: things you did in practice, which she told me was
Speaker 20: so good today. How it couldn't be worse, Like he
Speaker 20: wasn't putting or playing particularly well. I said, I don't
Speaker 20: think it can be worse, so you should just think
Speaker 20: of it the same you were making everything you said,
Speaker 20: And he went out and made like twenty six birdies
Speaker 20: that week and shot twenty something under and finished top
Speaker 20: ten for his first top ten in a few years
Speaker 20: on the tour. And he then left to live but
Speaker 20: he won the first live event with the lab. You know,
Speaker 20: kind of a little bit out of nowhere, respectfully saying
Speaker 20: that about a Master's champion, but you know, he had
Speaker 20: him in playing well. And then this year I kept
Speaker 20: watching more and more guys put labs in play around
Speaker 20: the world, and I saw Ben Arnes. James Hahn first
Speaker 20: switched and he led strokes game putting his first week
Speaker 20: in Hilton Head. Ben Arnes switched and turned his game around.
Speaker 20: That was kind of midway through the season, and that
Speaker 20: about the same time Lucas Glover opped in and put
Speaker 20: it in play as well, and obviously we saw very
Speaker 20: well what he did, you know, And to me, it
Speaker 20: just looks like it's complimenting the rest of their games,
Speaker 20: is what it looks like it's doing, and giving them
Speaker 20: the freedom to play the way that they know they can,
Speaker 20: and obviously giving them a hell of a lot of
Speaker 20: confidence to go out and make some putts on the greens.
Speaker 9: Lucas being an example of obviously the wherewithal or the
Speaker 9: perseverance and the toughness to do what he has done,
Speaker 9: which is keep his card for for so long, regardless
Speaker 9: of putting struggles for so long, very very very famously
Speaker 9: infamously now at this point where he just you know,
Speaker 9: we saw him. Every anybody who's a golfer can somewhat
Speaker 9: relate to just that, that pain and the the optics
Speaker 9: of it all. Just so nobody wants to look right
Speaker 9: and then and then to go on and uh and
Speaker 9: to win back to back against formidable fields and and
Speaker 9: and literally resurrect his whole career. Do you you do
Speaker 9: you remember any kind of conversation you had with him,
Speaker 9: or or anything in which did he come to you,
Speaker 9: did you did you at that point then become almost
Speaker 9: like the shepherd or the sherpa, helping people get up
Speaker 9: to the to the top to the top of their mountains.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 20: No, I joked that we're starting a little bit of
Speaker 20: a cult and we're going to have meetings every uh
Speaker 20: every Friday evening out there. But no, Lucas didn't come
Speaker 20: to me. But you know, we played college golf at
Speaker 20: the same time. We are similar age and we've known
Speaker 20: each other a long time. Uh, And you know, he's
Speaker 20: he's a think his mind. I don't know much about
Speaker 20: his game and what he gets up to with his game,
Speaker 20: but you know, here's a guy who likes doing crosswords
Speaker 20: to activate his brain. And you know he's a smart guy.
Speaker 20: And there's no doubt that when you're struggling with your
Speaker 20: putting like he has, it's just it's just such hard work.
Speaker 20: You know, anyone who's felt a tough time on the
Speaker 20: greens can relate. You know, I think back to that.
Speaker 20: My frustration levels was so high in twenty ten, with
Speaker 20: good putting and bad putting. I just didn't know what
Speaker 20: was going to show up. It was either good or terrible,
Speaker 20: and I just couldn't do it anymore.
Speaker 8: So I said, that's it.
Speaker 20: I'm going to learn something new. Yeah, I see more
Speaker 20: guys doing it. And it doesn't it doesn't have to
Speaker 20: be a broomstick. I just feel like I've just been
Speaker 20: on a search for the last ten years and like,
Speaker 20: what is the best piece of equipment that will help
Speaker 20: me hit more good putts? And you know, that's kind
Speaker 20: of the path I'm still going down. And I think,
Speaker 20: you know, a lot of the tech, all the technology
Speaker 20: in a lab start you in such a good place.
Speaker 20: You know you're getting you're giving yourself a great chance
Speaker 20: before you've even moved it, and then when it moves,
Speaker 20: it moves better.
Speaker 6: To Kelly Slater, who we learned about in episodes three
Speaker 6: and four, was one of the early adopters of the
Speaker 6: lab Look and Results. It was Slater's putting at Pebble
Speaker 6: Beach that led Adam Scott to try and one.
Speaker 16: There's something there that's really special.
Speaker 10: And I'm really super glad to see that FROs are
Speaker 10: catching on to it, because that's what becomes accepted by
Speaker 10: the masses after that.
Speaker 16: But you know, to see Lucas when when.
Speaker 10: When obviously he's had some putting woes, over the years,
Speaker 10: and I think there was three or four in the
Speaker 10: top seven that same week. He's in the lab Putter.
Speaker 10: I think most of them on the MEZ. A couple
Speaker 10: of guys are on the directed force that I like.
Speaker 10: I prefer the directed force myself, but I think visually,
Speaker 10: if probably people have a problem with the directed force,
Speaker 10: they end up leaning towards the mez and trying that,
Speaker 10: and it just for me, it didn't. It didn't square
Speaker 10: up as well as the directed force.
Speaker 16: It does for me.
Speaker 10: But you know, Charles Howe's using them as Adams using
Speaker 10: them as I think Lucas using them as Yeah, I've
Speaker 10: I've bought a few for other people too, or ordered some.
Speaker 10: I actually played with Obama and he was he was
Speaker 10: checking the buttter out, like what is this thing?
Speaker 16: So I had Sam sending one. It's just been a
Speaker 16: fun journey.
Speaker 10: I really enjoyed feeling like I have some small partner,
Speaker 10: but also watching something that I knew was great start
Speaker 10: to become something.
Speaker 16: And it's fun to feel like you're like going on
Speaker 16: that journey with them.
Speaker 9: You know, little validation, right, little validation of your instincts,
Speaker 9: your sense of technology of validation for them and what
Speaker 9: their their journey as a company. I mean I would
Speaker 9: imagine all of that just and then to watch Lucas
Speaker 9: the ultimate grinder, who's kept his card for ten years
Speaker 9: regardless of all these putting wo for him to go
Speaker 9: back to back, all of it is like such feel good.
Speaker 16: It's insane.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I get goosebumps when you just said that, because
Speaker 10: it's so cool.
Speaker 9: Man.
Speaker 16: It's yeah.
Speaker 10: I mean, I love seeing my friends succeed, and so
Speaker 10: it's great. You know, Sam and I have become buddies
Speaker 10: over the last few years, and I just love that
Speaker 10: it's being accepted and and and sort of run with
Speaker 10: by people. You know, A one putt two putts in
Speaker 10: any tournament changes these guys' lives. Yeah, like, but it's
Speaker 10: it's amazing, and I'm surprised that I'm surprised none of
Speaker 10: the big guys have seen this and tried.
Speaker 16: To come in and buy the company.
Speaker 10: And I think now that it's finding its own footing,
Speaker 10: it's maybe it's too late.
Speaker 13: You know.
Speaker 9: There is telling me that they were all playing, like Liam,
Speaker 9: the Rep, and the skuy madd who works with them,
Speaker 9: and they're all in these three different groups playing their tournament.
Speaker 1: When Lucas was at the window.
Speaker 9: And they all ran and they just ran to each
Speaker 9: other and jumped up and hugged and celebrated when they
Speaker 9: when you, yeah, it's and they've now doubled the sale.
Speaker 9: The total sales of the company up to this point
Speaker 9: has doubled in the last month.
Speaker 10: No, that's amazing, man, Now cool is that what a
Speaker 10: success story?
Speaker 2: Great?
Speaker 10: It's a snowball, you know, because not just the pros
Speaker 10: now so many more people are gonna be seeing that
Speaker 10: putter at their courses, and then more people, oh let
Speaker 10: me try that. Oh my god, I gotta get one
Speaker 10: of those. It's just it's gonna be like it's a sensation.
Speaker 10: I just knew it was kind of bubbling below the
Speaker 10: surface and at some point everyone's.
Speaker 16: Gonna go, Okay, we get it.
Speaker 10: A product like this is like it reversed as the
Speaker 10: sponsorship thing, where like the player has to pay a
Speaker 10: little back to the company. That'd be kind of funny.
Speaker 6: It was Brett Rumford, the Australian journeyman and short game
Speaker 6: guru back in episode five, who said something similar as
Speaker 6: it relates eats the ball and equipment deals, especially relating
Speaker 6: to the putter. Here he is again reflecting on Glover's wins.
Speaker 21: If you're a yipper, I mean, that's another world, isn't it.
Speaker 21: I Mean that's like he's come from the full on
Speaker 21: world of yipping. Like that's like that goes beyond a
Speaker 21: sales pitch. That to me, to take someone that for
Speaker 21: fifty was it fifty nine or sixty you had that
Speaker 21: part from a foot and almost came out of the
Speaker 21: circle te of the Scotty Cameron that who was using
Speaker 21: like almost missed, almost missed the golf ball from foot
Speaker 21: and a half.
Speaker 13: You missed the whole by about two inches.
Speaker 21: This is a guy that's on an absolute runner, like
Speaker 21: he's he's got a put for fifty nine, so, which
Speaker 21: is crazy.
Speaker 13: But when that starts to set in, it's in.
Speaker 21: But when you take someone that's that's a yipper to
Speaker 21: a back to back winner like that, that goes beyond
Speaker 21: the sales pitch, That just goes beyond, you know, that's
Speaker 21: that's more the intuitive awareness that unlocks certain things with
Speaker 21: an player that just frees them up, doesn't it. You know,
Speaker 21: just that giving up control. He's you know, maybe for
Speaker 21: the first time in his career. You know, he's literally
Speaker 21: just given up control. He's had the feeling of it
Speaker 21: anyway that he doesn't have to have this you know
Speaker 21: control that we all have on the putter, so which
Speaker 21: is just amazing. And that's just like walking my analogy
Speaker 21: from before. It's it's really hard to try and give
Speaker 21: up that control. But I think the technology is is
Speaker 21: that there's just there's just no micro muscles that's holding
Speaker 21: up any part of the putter. So all you're doing
Speaker 21: is holding up sure the part of whatever lineboard that's in,
Speaker 21: you're holding up the mass of the putter, but there's
Speaker 21: this zero twist in your hands, so I mean you
Speaker 21: can literally just put it with two.
Speaker 13: Fingers and the thing just just swings by itself.
Speaker 21: It's an amazing story, but it's you know, there's so
Speaker 21: many facets to it that could be basically analyzed and
Speaker 21: broken down. And I'm sure there's there's sykes out there
Speaker 21: that just what I spend thirty minutes with him speaking.
Speaker 21: I'm sure there's like the brain connection everything else. Like
Speaker 21: psychologists are kind to basically say, yeah, that was me.
Speaker 21: I'll be working with him for the last three months,
Speaker 21: you know, studies put it, you know, says putting his
Speaker 21: hand up and I'm sure it's a bit of a
Speaker 21: concoction of everything. But for me, it is like I
Speaker 21: say to my dad. You know, for all these psyche
Speaker 21: gurus that are out there, I said to my dad,
Speaker 21: I give him like a five stack of books. You know,
Speaker 21: these guys here are like working with the best players
Speaker 21: on the PGA tour.
Speaker 13: So read that, Read all those books, and you'll be
Speaker 13: on the seniors tour next year. He plays off twelve.
Speaker 21: But there's still a point, right, there's still a point
Speaker 21: where there's the genius of the player, you know, the
Speaker 21: talent of the player that's played, you know for his
Speaker 21: whole life. There's still that that work ethic that you need,
Speaker 21: isn't it.
Speaker 13: Then you need the information on top of it. It's a
Speaker 13: bit of a blood of everything.
Speaker 21: But and then when you get this, you know, this
Speaker 21: technology in his hands. You know, he's got the golf
Speaker 21: and DNA, he knows how to play the game. All
Speaker 21: of a sudden, it just it just frees him up
Speaker 21: and unlocks that that player within, doesn't it. And all
Speaker 21: of a sudden it now just becomes he's a ball striker.
Speaker 21: And now he's got the feeling that he's a winner.
Speaker 21: And then that's that's a powerful concoction.
Speaker 6: Liam Bedford of lab Golf, who built Glover's original putter.
Speaker 22: That is my number one objective is to help people
Speaker 22: play better. That doesn't matter who it is. If I
Speaker 22: can help someone put better, I've done my job. Like
Speaker 22: that's what I feel like my job is. All I
Speaker 22: want to do is help people put better. And even
Speaker 22: if that's not even in our product, Like if I can,
Speaker 22: if I can go out to the tour, a tour event,
Speaker 22: and you know I will, we will be will be
Speaker 22: messed around with a bunch of different putters and then
Speaker 22: there's I mentioned something that they notice and they start
Speaker 22: feeling something different and they start rolling in all parts.
Speaker 22: Like that's all I can ask for. If you use
Speaker 22: my part of that's just a bonus, but it is cool.
Speaker 22: Like I worked in the customer service team for my
Speaker 22: first year with the company, and the amount of emails
Speaker 22: we used to get, even back when we're small, like
Speaker 22: of you guys have changed my golfing career, like golf life,
Speaker 22: like I now love I hate a dreaded getting on
Speaker 22: the greens and now that's my favorite part of the game.
Speaker 22: And like just getting those emails, because there was a
Speaker 22: bunch a lot of times that we were we were
Speaker 22: a small company, were bugged down. We didn't have enough
Speaker 22: people to do all of the jobs, and sometimes it
Speaker 22: was pretty overwhelming. But then you'd get, you know, once
Speaker 22: a week, twice a week, you'd get these emails from
Speaker 22: guys that would just make all of it okay. It
Speaker 22: just be like, all right, this is this is why
Speaker 22: we put in the hard work, and this is why
Speaker 22: we work so hard, is to help these guys and
Speaker 22: make people enjoy golf more.
Speaker 6: Stuart Smith, an accomplished pro from Reno, an early adopter
Speaker 6: of lie angle and balance, who we heard from in
Speaker 6: episode two.
Speaker 18: You can only applaud Lucas Glover. I mean, eventually, I
Speaker 18: think what I've heard. We hear many definitions of the yips,
Speaker 18: and basically it comes down to where you're expecting, you're
Speaker 18: mechanically you're not able to meet your expectations, so it
Speaker 18: creates an anxiety and once you're in that situation, it just.
Speaker 13: It just kicks in.
Speaker 18: So for him to overcome that and probably not even
Speaker 18: fully yet, we still know that he's liable to miss
Speaker 18: from eighteen inches. Still always such a great bass striker,
Speaker 18: but he has something that he believes in. Now he's
Speaker 18: been able to maybe wrestle that demon away from himself
Speaker 18: to where he can literally step in and keep a
Speaker 18: clear mind and roll it like he knows that he
Speaker 18: that he can.
Speaker 16: We all believe we can.
Speaker 18: I mean I suffered with the Yipps as well, where
Speaker 18: I would have never went to anchor and anchoring the
Speaker 18: putter still probably putting mediocre at best, maybe there, but
Speaker 18: still it's just that it's that one little thing that
Speaker 18: has helped him overcome and maybe that has helped him
Speaker 18: either mechanically to now meet his expectations better when he's
Speaker 18: putting in an event or has pressure on him, and
Speaker 18: he's able now to perform right without anxiety. That's the
Speaker 18: whole deal. You perform without anxiety, and the lab Hutter
Speaker 18: will l A B. Hudder will help you overcome some
Speaker 18: of those demons. I'm a big believer in.
Speaker 9: That if you talk to Bill or send him a
Speaker 9: text or any any interaction of congratulations or kind of
Speaker 9: thoughts on feeling like you're the company and the technology
Speaker 9: and everything that you've seen and used and believed in
Speaker 9: for so long has been validated at this point Oh.
Speaker 18: Yeah, I mean Bill and I talked pretty regularly, so
Speaker 18: he's still you know, he I never know when he
Speaker 18: is coming in town, but he's always asked me to
Speaker 18: play golf. We we usually always go out and play.
Speaker 18: Funny enough, we'll use our La B putters, but we'll
Speaker 18: go out and use some old forged irons and some
Speaker 18: Persimmon clubs, and he loves to play these hickory sticks.
Speaker 18: So usually I'll take my per Simmons and my sixties
Speaker 18: irons out and he'll take his hick resticks and we
Speaker 18: just go out and we kind of have a blast,
Speaker 18: but the La B putter stays in the bag.
Speaker 6: And once again we'll end this episode with the man
Speaker 6: and who started it all, Bill Pressey, who as a
Speaker 6: kid in mcwan, Wisconsin, in a basement tinkering with clubs.
Speaker 6: His grandfather once told him there are four ways to
Speaker 6: make money. You can win it, marry it, sell it,
Speaker 6: or invent it. As we learned in episode two, Pressey
Speaker 6: went from living and working out of his car to
Speaker 6: inventing the revealer and the technology behind lie angle and balance,
Speaker 6: and he did it in his garage.
Speaker 9: What has been the uptick in business? Can you quantify
Speaker 9: for me the difference between where you were in June
Speaker 9: to where you are in August, now that Lucas has
Speaker 9: gone back to back.
Speaker 23: Yeah, I suppose it's a dicey question. But the next
Speaker 23: day broomstick sales for pass shortcutter sales. That's pretty big.
Speaker 23: That's a big that's a big big. I don't know
Speaker 23: if it's still I haven't seen the recent sales reports.
Speaker 23: But just like when Jack won with the response, the
Speaker 23: same things happened the LAB. There's no I can't put
Speaker 23: numbers out there, but it's off the hook, and I
Speaker 23: feel bad for all all of our workers and the
Speaker 23: builders are just double time over time, expanding, hiring, training,
Speaker 23: to scale up to keep this demand. Thank god we
Speaker 23: didn't get a tour win earlier. Thank god, because I
Speaker 23: wouldn't have been able to capitalize LAB, we wouldn't have
Speaker 23: been able to keep up. If this is what happens
Speaker 23: when you win a tournament, thank god it didn't happen earlier.
Speaker 23: I mean, it would have been cool, but yeah, that's
Speaker 23: the business sense of it. The dangerous thing about business
Speaker 23: is you can sell so much you'll put you out
Speaker 23: of business. And there's so sort of grow and sustain
Speaker 23: growth is uh, you have to be scaled to take
Speaker 23: advantage when you when the time does come, and you
Speaker 23: don't want that time to come too soon.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 9: Do you get the sense that they're within this story?
Speaker 9: There is there is a sense of hope and uh
Speaker 9: and and inspiration that people can garner from your story,
Speaker 9: you know, Uh, Lucas's story.
Speaker 1: You see what I'm saying, Like.
Speaker 9: Kelly's story, there is something here beyond. There's something at
Speaker 9: work far beyond like a putter.
Speaker 23: Yeah, there's.
Speaker 16: I think it comes from within.
Speaker 23: I mean, you're doing your theme right, and you've been
Speaker 23: with some pretty big companies before, and you know, there's
Speaker 23: something that drives us to do this, and whether it's
Speaker 23: resetting our own expectations for what we want in life.
Speaker 23: And I had always had a desire to contribute to
Speaker 23: the golf, the history of golf. And I was always
Speaker 23: a very skilled, you know, persuemon club repairman and refinisher,
Speaker 23: and I worked, you know, I learned the old old
Speaker 23: clubs and the whole trade. And I always felt that
Speaker 23: I had a calling. And I told this to my
Speaker 23: friends in high school. I'm fifty almost fifty four, and
Speaker 23: I told him I'm going to change the golf industry.
Speaker 23: Didn't know how. I didn't know, but I knew way
Speaker 23: back then that I was going to have an impact,
Speaker 23: But I don't know.
Speaker 16: It wasn't.
Speaker 23: Consciously done or anything like that. It's just it's it's
Speaker 23: a drive from within to do something a dream and
Speaker 23: to you know, get out from under the machine. And uh,
Speaker 23: you know, when you when you wake up in the morning,
Speaker 23: the scariest thing is is knowing that you can do
Speaker 23: what you want to do, but also knowing that you
Speaker 23: gotta do what you got to do, because if you
Speaker 23: have the ability not to do that, nobody's gonna yell
Speaker 23: at you. And you have to make that conscious decision
Speaker 23: to work harder and sacrifice everything for years to achieve something.
Speaker 2: That you want.
Speaker 23: And I think along, I know my goalposts have moved
Speaker 23: over the years. When I started off, my expectations are
Speaker 23: far lower than where we're at now. Ah for sure.
Speaker 23: I mean even in the director forced days, it was
Speaker 23: just to make a little putter company so I I
Speaker 23: could stop teaching full time at Golf Tech and raise
Speaker 23: my kid because I was a single parent and so
Speaker 23: you only have so much time in the day to
Speaker 23: cook clean, you know, get the kid to school and
Speaker 23: do all this stuff. And so when you're working forty
Speaker 23: to fifty hours a week to pay the mortgage and
Speaker 23: do all that stuff, I decided right then and there
Speaker 23: that I wanted a different life than to work for somebody.
Speaker 23: And golf Tech was a great organization. I learned so
Speaker 23: much from golf Tech, but the reality was it wasn't mine,
Speaker 23: and I wanted something that was mine.
Speaker 14: And when I.
Speaker 23: Found the opportunity to expose the bullshit of face balance
Speaker 23: and toe hang marketing being a golf pro, I saw
Speaker 23: that immediately, and I'm like, oh, I'm gonna watch this thing.
Speaker 23: I'm going to ride this I'm going to ride this
Speaker 23: pony and this revealer into the sunset. And you know,
Speaker 23: you got to go through a lot of hills and
Speaker 23: valleys to get to that sunset. It's a hell of
Speaker 23: a ride.
Speaker 9: It's sometimes the best story is your own story. And
Speaker 9: I gotta feel like, I'm not sure you're ever gonna
Speaker 9: stumble upon a better story than your own story.
Speaker 23: It's been a long ride, you know, I overcame a lot.
Speaker 23: It's hard to talk about.
Speaker 3: Put another long fire. Nobody here getting tired settle down,
Speaker 3: and sudden in the story here is about to begin,
Speaker 3: the circles starting to take its shape, seats filled and
Speaker 3: the tiredsome landsns escape, and everybody's got some glory, just
Speaker 3: wait on to unfold. Everybody's got some story, Just wait
Speaker 3: un to be too. The place for.
Speaker 9: That is here.
Speaker 3: All those smiles and all those tears, Let them go.
Speaker 3: Put another log on the fire. Nobody hears getting tired,
Speaker 3: Settle down, and settle in the story hears about to begin.
Speaker 3: Tales were told of war and going, lovers lost in
Speaker 3: a lifetimes dreams our soul. Maybe you should stop and
Speaker 3: listen at the wisdom and me. Maybe you should pour
Speaker 3: your heart out.
Speaker 9: We ain't going the way.
Speaker 3: Find your mercy and the sound as the smoke gets
Speaker 3: pushed around in your soul. Put another log on the
Speaker 3: five Nobody hears getting tired, Settle down, and settle in
Speaker 3: the story hears about to begin. The story hears about
Speaker 3: to begin. The story hears about to begin,