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Speaker 1: world of sports. Michael barn I'm Scarlett Phil. You know,

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Speaker 1: Mike Lynch got a lot of topics to talk about today.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna start. Oh my, the Jerry West story. It

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Speaker 1: doesn't like the way that the HBO show Winning Time portrays.

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Speaker 1: The TV show Lynchy and Bar is meant to chronicle

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Speaker 1: And in any of these things we know, we've seen,

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