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Speaker 1: Naughty but Nights Sham your host drum Shooter and it's

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Speaker 1: those day, which means idear friend Mark Lupa joins us, Hey,

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Speaker 1: LUPI are you there? Belu is here? Blue? Hellu Loop Lou.

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Speaker 1: We're a little late starting today because we were gossiping

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Speaker 2: It's the best part of the show.

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Speaker 1: It's the best part of the show. The show's pretty

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Speaker 1: good too, though, I gotta say so, you stick around

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Speaker 1: for the show, Kay, let's jump in. What time is it?

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Speaker 1: My friends? It is tea time. Big story at the

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Speaker 1: top of the show, breaking story. Legendary actor Gene Hackman,

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Speaker 1: his wife Betsy, and they're Dark have been found dead

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Speaker 1: in their home in New Mexico. So this is a

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Speaker 1: very strange story breaking overnight the three g and his

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Speaker 1: wife who's dark were found inside their Santa Fe home

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Speaker 1: in New Mexico. Oh my goodness. Now the Santa Fe

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Speaker 1: police have confirmed that it was the two time Oscar winner.

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Speaker 1: He was ninety five years old, his wife was sixty

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Speaker 1: three years old. They'd been together for about thirty four years.

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Speaker 1: They were spotted out just a few days ago. Now

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Speaker 1: This is the part of this that I don't get.

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Speaker 1: The Santa Fe County sheriff, his name is Adam, is

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Speaker 1: confirming that this did happen, but is adding that there

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Speaker 1: is no foul play. That's not suspected at the time.

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Speaker 1: No cause of death has been announced. How is it

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Speaker 1: possible to find a man now he is in his

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Speaker 1: their dog all dead. There's something that happened here.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's you know, this is literally just breaking

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Speaker 2: and I'm worrying of it, you know, just minutes ago.

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Speaker 2: But I would maybe imagine carbon monoxide are poisoning. Something

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Speaker 2: that's why they all passed at the same.

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Speaker 1: Time, right right, or maybe a suicide pack respect you

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Speaker 1: like in here like he you know who's up there's

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Speaker 1: about ninety five years old. Is ninety five years old old,

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Speaker 1: and so maybe they decided they were going to go

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Speaker 1: keep an eye on this and we have some more

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Speaker 1: bad news too. So we found out that Gossip Girl

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Speaker 1: star Michelle Trattenberg passed away yesterday, just thirty nine years old.

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Speaker 1: I got some shocking details about this. I always really

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Speaker 1: liked her. I knew her a little bit if I

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Speaker 1: saw her out and about in New York. She was

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Speaker 1: a real New Yorker. She was always at the bars

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Speaker 1: and the restaurants and the clubs and those parties and

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Speaker 1: those invites that we get invited to, Mark key enough,

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Speaker 1: she was normally in that crowd. TMZ confirmed that emergency

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Speaker 1: They say that her mother found her there and then

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Speaker 1: she was found unresponsive and despite efforts, she was pronounced

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Speaker 1: dead at the sea. And she was spotted out just

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Speaker 1: a few days ago to spotted out with friends. She

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Speaker 1: looked like she was in good spirits, but fans had

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Speaker 1: been raising some concerns about her over the last few months,

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Speaker 1: noting weight loss Mark. So in her final appearance, she

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Speaker 1: actually defended herself saying, this is my face, Like, this

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Speaker 1: is what I look like. Now, this is where things

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Speaker 1: get really complicated. Mark. We've just found out that she

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Speaker 1: received a liver transplant. That's a big deal. A liver

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Speaker 1: transplant within the last year causing complications. I'm sure these

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Speaker 1: two are related, we don't know yet, and autopsy is

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Speaker 1: going to be performed. No file play again, Mark, nobody

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Speaker 1: broke in. There's no criminality here. But I think this

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Speaker 2: It's really heartbreaking, and it's you know, me and Michelle

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Speaker 2: truly shocking. And you know, I was taking a look

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Speaker 2: It seems as though she was reminiscing of times past.

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Speaker 2: And you know, from what I was reading, she's knapping

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Speaker 1: It's way too young. Yeah, it's way too young. There's

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Speaker 1: Rosie put out a beautiful statement knowing that she struggled.

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Speaker 1: To Blake Lively called her electricity. This morning, she put

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Speaker 1: out a statement, We're being flooded Mark with just beautiful,

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Speaker 1: beautiful memories, beautiful, beautiful thoughts. I remember being out one

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Speaker 1: night with her and we sat I don't remember the club.

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Speaker 1: It was a new club, it was a new opening.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it was a restaurant, and we sat at the

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Speaker 1: the case when you have children. Child stars. Market must

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Speaker 1: She did get Gossip Girls, which was brilliant, but after

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Speaker 1: I'm told there was even some financial issues there. She

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Speaker 1: living on residual checks, particularly from Gossip Girl, which is

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Speaker 1: But it just goes to show there is a side

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Speaker 2: It's not And I think at some point, you know,

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Speaker 2: we said, you know, she's she in some ways frozen

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Speaker 2: last few years. And so it's complicated, it really is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And there's no guidebook or no no school to

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Speaker 1: and Debbie was a monster star, like a huge stars.

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Speaker 1: I think that's because that was the highlight of their life.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's that is painful. And you know, from Michelle,

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Speaker 2: I think there would have been many more years of success.

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Speaker 1: I'm reading so much and I'm on social media looking more.

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Speaker 1: Girl star Michelle Trachtenberg is dead at thirty nine years old.

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Speaker 1: Is there more to this story than meets the eye?

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Speaker 1: They're saying no foul play, but there has not been

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Speaker 2: We're gonna love the story. Ryan Reynolds sent a movie

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Speaker 2: crew into a frenzy, and a co star is spilling

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Speaker 2: the shocking set drama. Okay, so, according to a former

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Speaker 2: co star, Matthew Lawrence, the Deadpool actor ruffled more than

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Speaker 2: horror flick Boltneck. Lawrence spilled behind the scenes t revealing

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Speaker 2: that a young Reynolds, now was forty eight, was more

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Speaker 2: focused on cracking jokes and following the script, leaving the

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Speaker 2: out and was just kind of doing his thing, Laurence said,

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Speaker 2: And then producers are really upset and they even told him, Ryan,

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Speaker 2: what we hard you to do. Now, According to Lawrence,

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Speaker 1: What do you think you know, We've all had jobs

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Speaker 1: and work really hard to come up with that script.

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Speaker 1: And you're not Jim carry Yet there was a time

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Speaker 1: in Jim Carrey's life when he had to behave too.

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Speaker 1: When you've got to play by the rules. If you're

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Speaker 1: Can you have a little bit of fun with it? Yes,

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Speaker 1: after you get the take that everybody wants, the director

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Speaker 1: never matter. They always edit them. They know what they want,

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