1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 1: Hi, Mikey. Great to see you. As always. This is Catherine, 2 00:00:05,640 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 1: my producer. 3 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:08,880 Speaker 2: Hi there, Hi, nice seeing you. 4 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: Our guest today is someone that I have personally campaigned for. 5 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: She is a congresswoman in the state of New Jersey 6 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:18,240 Speaker 1: and she is running for the governor of New Jersey. 7 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:22,120 Speaker 1: The election is Tuesday, November fourth, but vote by mail 8 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 1: has already started and early voting is available October twenty 9 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 1: fifth through November two, So if you want more information, 10 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:33,239 Speaker 1: go to Mikey Cheryl dot com. Our guest today is 11 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 1: a former Navy helicopter pilot, federal prosecutor, mom of four, 12 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: and Democratic nominee for the governor in New Jersey. So 13 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: please welcome you US representative for New Jersey. Mikey Cheryl. Hi, 14 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 1: Miikey Cheryl. 15 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 2: Hi, thanks so much for having me. This is great. 16 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:54,600 Speaker 1: Absolutely. I watched your episode for Potsave America too. I 17 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 1: loved you on that and I love those guys. They're 18 00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: friends of mine. 19 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 3: Oh good, Yeah, that was a great, great episode. That 20 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 3: was a lot of fun to do. 21 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:05,319 Speaker 1: I'm very excited for your campaign and how is everything going. 22 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 1: How's everything going in the state of New Jersey right now? 23 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 3: As always perfect, it's perfect here. That thing going on 24 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 3: here now it is. It's a tough fight. We are 25 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 3: in a knockdown, drag out fight. I don't think anybody 26 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 3: would be surprised to hear that, because New Jersey is, 27 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 3: shall I say, known for the rough and tumble politics. 28 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 3: We have that go on here, and I've always been 29 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 3: up for it. But my opponent's pretty slimy and has 30 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:35,400 Speaker 3: broken the law in several ways and has just really 31 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:37,839 Speaker 3: gone after my family in a way that's totally inappropriate. 32 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:41,160 Speaker 3: So that has been a challenge. But you know what, 33 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 3: I think in these times, that kind of thing backfires. 34 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:46,760 Speaker 3: I think people are kind of sick of career politicians 35 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 3: who are slimy and trying to act like they're just 36 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 3: you know, slick guys, and I'll pull out all the 37 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 3: stops to get their own way. 38 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 2: That's not what people want to say. 39 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 1: And your opponent is one hundred percent maga, correct. 40 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 2: Jack Chitdarelli, hundred percent maga. 41 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 3: She likes to say that's not me saying that, that's 42 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 3: Donald Trump saying that. And he's been pretty clear in 43 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 3: showing that to the people of New Jersey. And so 44 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:12,800 Speaker 3: he's been in lockstep. And I think here like just 45 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 3: about every state in the nation. We've seen these tariffs 46 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 3: drive up cost everywhere. We've seen the attacks on our 47 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 3: Department of Ed funding, on our healthcare, on even our 48 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 3: utility costs. 49 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 2: So we're seeing costs go up everywhere. And I have. 50 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 3: Always been sort of known for going against anyone who 51 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 3: comes at New Jersey, and that includes members of my 52 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:34,639 Speaker 3: own party. So I think the demand here in the 53 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 3: great state of New Jersey is for a governor that's 54 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 3: going to stand up for the people here and not 55 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:43,079 Speaker 3: kowtowed anyone, including the President of the United States. 56 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, let's talk a little bit about how a governor 57 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 1: does that and what abilities a governor has to stand 58 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 1: up to Trump, because we've seen Gavin Newsom do it, 59 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:55,079 Speaker 1: We've seen JB. Pritzker do it, We've seen Wes Moore 60 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 1: to a certain degree do it. So talk to us 61 00:02:57,160 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 1: a little bit about the capabilities that you have have 62 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:03,640 Speaker 1: to stand up to our president and how states can 63 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 1: remain independent and to what degree they can. 64 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:09,880 Speaker 3: Well, a lot of that is the traditional ways, right, 65 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:12,400 Speaker 3: I tell people sometimes, you know, I'm a simple girl. 66 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:14,600 Speaker 3: I just want my kids to be able to go 67 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:17,920 Speaker 3: to the bus stop without people shooting them, or spend 68 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 3: a day at school without an active shooter coming into 69 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 3: their classroom. So I want good gun safety laws here 70 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:24,760 Speaker 3: in New Jersey, and we have some of the best. 71 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 3: I want to make sure that the decisions I make 72 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 3: about my reproductive health are between myself and my doctor 73 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 3: and not myself in jac Chitarelli, who's proven himself to 74 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 3: be in favor of abortion bands, and like the things 75 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 3: we're seeing, you know across the South, where women are 76 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 3: dying of miscarriages on operating tables. I just want to 77 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 3: get my kids, you know, the MMR, measles muffs, rebella vaccines. 78 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 3: I don't want an outbreak of measles, a deadly childhood 79 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 3: disease here in New Jersey. I don't want babies as 80 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 3: they are across the nation now dying of whooping cough 81 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 3: or protesses because of rollbacks in our national health. 82 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 2: So these these aren't to me groundbreaking ideas. 83 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 3: These are things that most people in New Jersey agree with, 84 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 3: and so that's a baseline for what governors can do. 85 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 3: All of these things I've just spoken about, but we're 86 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 3: seeing some really some new and innovative ways in which 87 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 3: governors are growing state power. So things like Mara Healey 88 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 3: and others in this Northeast coalition, and I know Gavin 89 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 3: Newsom's doing it out West to promote national health to 90 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:27,480 Speaker 3: make sure that insurance companies are not backing away from 91 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 3: their commitment to provide basic childhood vaccines. And we also 92 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 3: see people like Governor Shapiro when Trump came after the 93 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 3: Social Security numbers and the license information from the people 94 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 3: who vote in Pennsylvania, and Governor Shapiro said, no, Trump's 95 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 3: taking him to court. 96 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 2: He thinks he'll win that, but he said no. But 97 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 2: it just chills you to know that all of. 98 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:55,280 Speaker 3: This personal information in other states is just being turned 99 00:04:55,320 --> 00:05:00,120 Speaker 3: over wholesale to the Trump administration. And so this this 100 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 3: is where strong governors can really come into play. And 101 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:06,720 Speaker 3: you've mentioned several of them who are standing up right 102 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 3: now to Donald Trump and this administration. 103 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 2: So I think it's so key and so important. 104 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 1: And how do you view the tech of it all? 105 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 1: You know, all these tech guys basically genuflecting to Donald 106 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 1: Trump and being in business with him, are bending the 107 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 1: knee for him, and like, how do we fight back 108 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 1: against that? State by state? 109 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 3: So I don't think it's a state by state plan. 110 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 3: I think it's regional plans, okay. And so we have 111 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 3: really high end research and development that goes on here 112 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:34,679 Speaker 3: in New Jersey, like photonics. And I was just talking 113 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:37,600 Speaker 3: to someone this morning about the partnership that is in 114 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 3: place between New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and Delaware. And we are 115 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:43,719 Speaker 3: going to have to find ways to continue to fund 116 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 3: and promote that innovation despite the fact that the federal 117 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 3: government is now attacking innovation. And so I think in 118 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 3: a regional way, we can really grow our economies, grow 119 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 3: our rights and freedoms, and protect our rights and freedoms, 120 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 3: and grow opportunity in a way that's different from maybe 121 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:07,719 Speaker 3: other states across the nation. And it's already and I 122 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:10,039 Speaker 3: was surprised by this, it's already becoming very clear to 123 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 3: people what's going on in this nation. So we've seen 124 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 3: ten thousand Floridians move to New Jersey. Oh really, which 125 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 3: is a reversal of a long term trend. And you know, 126 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:22,720 Speaker 3: as you look into some of the data, it looks 127 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 3: as if people are becoming increasingly concerned about governors who 128 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:29,799 Speaker 3: are not going to provide insurance for vaccines, who are 129 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 3: going to wholesale promote abortion bands who are going to 130 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:39,599 Speaker 3: allow the president to ransack everyone's personally identifying information for 131 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 3: his own purposes. Again and again, we're seeing I think 132 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:48,159 Speaker 3: people becoming very aware of where those states are that 133 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 3: are going to actually continue to promote our values, our constitution, 134 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 3: and our economy and drive in great innovation for their kids. 135 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 2: And that is very contrary. It's Donald Trump. 136 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:07,039 Speaker 1: I love the idea of the region, this regional thing 137 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 1: and states banding together. I feel like that, you know, 138 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: if network executives or tech companies or these streamers, platforms, 139 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: law firms would all just have gotten together and formed 140 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 1: a coalition rather than allowing him to knock them over 141 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 1: one by one. It's so frustrating as a citizen to 142 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 1: watch all of this go down. So not only are 143 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: you so qualified to be the governor, but you're a woman, 144 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 1: and we need more women. We need more women to 145 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 1: have more sanity in this crazy, crazy world and make 146 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 1: really level headed decisions. I know your campaign puts a 147 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 1: lot of focus on making New Jersey more affordable for 148 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 1: its residents, So how are you going to do that? 149 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 3: I am going to do that by driving down costs 150 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 3: for families here and really focusing on the things we 151 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 3: can do in New Jersey, such as putting a rate 152 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 3: freeze on utility hikes, so all of the mismanagement of 153 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 3: our utility production and our power production here in New 154 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 3: Jerseys and dumped on rate pay and families, ensuring that 155 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 3: we are driving down the cost of housing, transit oriented development, 156 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 3: and developing some of the towns in New Jersey that 157 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 3: were traditionally thriving and have not been invested in appropriately, 158 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 3: like Trenton, like Atlantic City, so we can continue to 159 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 3: drive down housing costs and also make New Jersey work 160 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 3: better for people. Just next door, Governor Shapiro cut small 161 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 3: business permitting times by ninety percent. So that's exactly the 162 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 3: kind of government, responsive government I'm going to run. But 163 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 3: I also just want to touch a bit, you know what, Chelsea. 164 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 3: I have just been running in this race as somebody 165 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 3: who has a record of serving the people of the state, 166 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 3: who has a record of success. 167 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 2: I was named the most effective member of Congress in 168 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 2: only my second. 169 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:50,559 Speaker 3: Term, and who has brought a lot to the table 170 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 3: for the people I serve. I haven't mentioned people know 171 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 3: I'm a mom, and they know I'm a woman. I 172 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:58,960 Speaker 3: haven't always placed that front center. But this has been 173 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 3: really horrible to see what the most incompetent secretary of 174 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 3: Defense is doing right now, because I have to tell you, 175 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 3: it hits home. And I was just being asked recently 176 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 3: because Pete Haigseth, who is that incompetent Secretary of Defense 177 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 3: who's put classified information out over unclassified systems and given 178 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 3: it to his wife and his brother because he's like, 179 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 3: you know, fucking little boy pretending to be the SECTEF 180 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 3: is now saying that he wants to move back to 181 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 3: the nineties. 182 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 2: Now. 183 00:09:31,679 --> 00:09:34,079 Speaker 3: In nineteen ninety, Pete haigsf I think was about ten 184 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 3: years old, so he's really no idea what he's talking about. 185 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:39,480 Speaker 3: I was actually entering into the military in nineteen ninety, 186 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:43,679 Speaker 3: and I am so proud of my military service, not 187 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 3: because of just serving, but because of something I felt 188 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 3: like I was building. So the military at that time 189 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 3: was not an incredibly welcoming place for women. I remember 190 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 3: going to a breakfast with my parents. I was with 191 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 3: my dad and that morning, so Washington Post had reported 192 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 3: that a female that shipman had been chained to a 193 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 3: urinal and a hazing event. The former Secretary of the 194 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 3: Navy and future Senator Jim Webb had put out an 195 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 3: article years before I entered, but it was still being 196 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:20,440 Speaker 3: widely circulated at the Naval Academy entitled women can't Fight, 197 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 3: and it seemed to largely say because he wanted to 198 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:26,440 Speaker 3: go desecrate corpses without women around, that women shouldn't be 199 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 3: part of these units. The Chief of Naval Operations, to 200 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 3: a standing ovation, stood before the brigade and said, when 201 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 3: asked when will women be serving on subs, he said, 202 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:39,559 Speaker 3: not in my lifetime. So it was a tough place. 203 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 3: But I will say too, if you could show competence, 204 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 3: if you could just fight hard, if you cared about 205 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 3: your country, you could really make change in the Navy. 206 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:55,079 Speaker 3: And we did. By the time I graduated. I graduated 207 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 3: with the first class of women eligible for combat on 208 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:01,079 Speaker 3: ships and aircraft. A classmate of mine was the CEO 209 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 3: of an aircraft carrier. We just had a woman who 210 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:06,079 Speaker 3: was the superintendent of the Naval Academy, a woman who 211 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:08,320 Speaker 3: was the Chief of Naval Operations, the highest ranking women. 212 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 3: And now Pete hag Seth is trying to drive out 213 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 3: every woman in service, trying to roll back what we've built. 214 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 3: What I feel like I have personally had a hand 215 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 3: in building and so you know, it's a really crappy 216 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 3: day for women in service with that incompetent sexually harassing, 217 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 3: alcoholic alcoholic. Yeah, guy, as my kids would say, JINX 218 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 3: really in charge of all this. So it's really offensive today. 219 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 3: And I think you're exactly right. So it's important that 220 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 3: we have more people serving our country, more women, more 221 00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 3: people of color, more people that represent the people of 222 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:48,479 Speaker 3: America so we can gain greater success. 223 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're recording this the day after Pete Hegseeth gave 224 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 1: his speech to like five hundred generals and yesterday with 225 00:11:57,320 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 1: Donald Trump. When you hear something like that and you 226 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 1: know that this this is exactly the opposite, and it's 227 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:06,080 Speaker 1: so antithetical to your commitment to working, you know, in 228 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 1: the Navy or in the armed forces. What is your 229 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 1: responsibility to say the core so that you can protect 230 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:15,160 Speaker 1: you know, the people underneath you, or is your responsibility 231 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 1: to stand upperside and walk out the door? Like how 232 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 1: do you make that kind of decision? You know in 233 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 1: that position. 234 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 3: I speak to service members, I speak to people at 235 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:27,680 Speaker 3: the US Attorney's Office, I speak to a lot of 236 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 3: people in other areas, of federal service about this all 237 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 3: the time, because a lot of people have decided, whether 238 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:38,080 Speaker 3: it's in the FBI or at the US Attorney's office 239 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 3: or in the military, that it is so important to 240 00:12:44,040 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 3: have credible people there in some of these incredibly powerful 241 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:52,079 Speaker 3: organizations that impact people's life, impact people's liberty, whether or 242 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 3: not they're detained, whether not they're unfairly prosecuted. 243 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 2: And yet at what point do you become complicit? 244 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 3: And I've had these kind of long conversations with people 245 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 3: about how you weigh that, and it's a really difficult decision, 246 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:11,080 Speaker 3: and I think that's something each person's weighing themselves. Am 247 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:13,680 Speaker 3: I still doing good? Am I still protecting the people 248 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 3: below me? Am I still protecting you as values? 249 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:16,840 Speaker 2: Or now? 250 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:19,839 Speaker 3: Am I just carrying out something that's really dangerous? And 251 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 3: then I should not be a part of And those 252 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 3: are really really difficult decisions to make right now. 253 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:25,199 Speaker 2: Yeah. 254 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:27,960 Speaker 1: I remember in the first Trump administration wondering what all 255 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 1: those guys were doing there, you know what I mean, 256 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:33,839 Speaker 1: like Mark Millley and these other kind of senior advisors 257 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 1: and chiefs of staff, all of these people, like how 258 00:13:36,120 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 1: could they be supporting this guy? How could they be 259 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 1: supporting and now in retrospect, when you hear all these 260 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:42,960 Speaker 1: guys come forward, you know, they're all like, oh, and 261 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 1: even John Bolton, who you know, like, no, we were 262 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:47,520 Speaker 1: staying the ship. We were staying the ship. 263 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 2: We would ever be saying like, oh, John Bolton. 264 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 4: Yeah he was. 265 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 1: He was actually doing a good job. He was doing 266 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 1: a good thing. Because now you hear them and you're like, oh, 267 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: now we're really in trouble because now he has this 268 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 1: idiot Pete Heggs running our military, which is absolutely just 269 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 1: a shanda. It's unbelievable. What is something that's very basic 270 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 1: that you actually missed from your military days? 271 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:15,400 Speaker 3: I missing twenty and that was fun, but it truly 272 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 3: was at that time such a time of the United 273 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 3: States was in areas of the world that we traditionally 274 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 3: hadn't been, and we'd been very focused on the fight 275 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 3: with Russia and the Cold War, and so there had 276 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 3: been some forces abroad. But I remember getting I really 277 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 3: missed some of the foreign places that I served in 278 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 3: and learning about different people, learning about different cultures, and 279 00:14:40,760 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 3: doing so though with a bunch of other members of 280 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 3: the service, there was a lot of camaraderie there and 281 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 3: I remember just different experiences like that. I remember flying 282 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 3: a helicopter and I was flying with another woman and 283 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 3: the Saudi aircraft controllers would not believe that we were 284 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 3: the pilots, so they said put the other pilot on, 285 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 3: So I put her on, and then they said, you 286 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 3: guys aren't pilots. 287 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 2: And you know we're. 288 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 1: Flying. 289 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 2: There's really not sure what to do. 290 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, like, you know, we're the only two pilots on 291 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 3: this aircraft right now. I don't have anyone else to 292 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 3: put on the radio with you, you know. I remember 293 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:17,480 Speaker 3: serving in Bahrain, and I remember this experience where there 294 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 3: were a bunch of expets. So they had this rugby 295 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 3: game and I'm there's a fence and they're playing rugby, 296 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 3: and then over the top of the fence, I'm seeing 297 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 3: the humps of these camels just all kind of go. 298 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 2: By, and it was this really weird contradiction. 299 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 3: So I miss that kind of seeing the world and 300 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 3: speaking to people about why, you know, I remember speaking 301 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 3: to a Pakistani business owner about why he was in 302 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 3: Bahrain and what had had brought him there, and all 303 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 3: those kind of experiences I really miss. 304 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there must have been it must have 305 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 1: been some things that you've taken with you, right from 306 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 1: your experiences in the Middle East. In Europe. You were 307 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 1: in London for a while. I don't think you were 308 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 1: in London on service, right or no, you were, No, 309 00:15:58,520 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 1: I was there service. 310 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 3: Oh you were at the that was where the US 311 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 3: headquarters of the European Fleet. 312 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 2: I'm sorry the naval fleet was at the time. 313 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 1: What was your impetus for going into the navy. 314 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 3: So this is what I sort of warn parents sometimes, like, 315 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 3: be very careful what you're saying to your children, because 316 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 3: I was having this conversation with my dad when I 317 00:16:19,800 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 3: was in the fifth grade, and I cannot emphasize enough 318 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 3: that I am one thousand percent sure my father was 319 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 3: paying zero attention to this conversation, like I think he was. 320 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:31,640 Speaker 2: He used to make his own Christmas tree stands. 321 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 3: I have no idea why somebody wouldn't buy a Christmas 322 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 3: tree stand because it was always this Really he was 323 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 3: always like, you know, really angry about it because it 324 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 3: never worked very well. And so you know, while you wuld' 325 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 3: just been he would like be hammering these two by 326 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 3: fours into the bottom of the tree to make this stand. 327 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 3: So I'm out on there he's making this weird Christmas 328 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 3: tree stand and he's hammering away and I'm talking to him, 329 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 3: and he said, well, what do you want to do? 330 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 3: And I said, you know, I want to be a 331 00:16:56,520 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 3: pilot like Grandpa. And he said, oh, well that's really expense. 332 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 3: If you want to fly, you have to go in 333 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:04,159 Speaker 3: the military. And I said, okay, well I'll go into 334 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:07,360 Speaker 3: the Air Force because my grandfather had been Army Air Corps. 335 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 3: He goes, you don't want to go to the Air 336 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 3: Force Academy. I mean, that's kind of new. You want 337 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 3: to go to one of the cool ones. You either 338 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:14,440 Speaker 3: want to go to West Point or the Naval Academy. 339 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 3: And I said, oh, I'm going to the Naval Academy. 340 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:18,399 Speaker 3: He said, well, I don't. I don't know if they have, 341 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 3: you know, pilots, and I go, I'll find out. I said, 342 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 3: you know, that's what I'm going to do. And he said, well, 343 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 3: I don't think they take women. He said, I don't 344 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:27,639 Speaker 3: know if they take women, and I don't know if 345 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 3: women fly in the Navy. And you know, this is 346 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 3: kind of one of those things I talk a lot 347 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:35,119 Speaker 3: about with people around New Jersey because. 348 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:38,680 Speaker 2: To me, this is what we're fighting right now. 349 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 3: Because when my father told me he didn't know if 350 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 3: women could go to the Naval academy, or he didn't 351 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 3: know if they could fly in the navy, I knew 352 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 3: that I could figure out a pathway to that because 353 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 3: everything I had been taught up until that point was 354 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 3: that I could do anything, was that this country continued 355 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:01,479 Speaker 3: to open up opportunity. Whether it was my parents or 356 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:04,199 Speaker 3: my teachers, or I always tell people Schoolhouse Rock on 357 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 3: Saturday Morning cartoons. I was told I could create these pathways, 358 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:12,400 Speaker 3: or that this country provided that kind of opportunity. And 359 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 3: I just see all of that being attacked every single 360 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:22,200 Speaker 3: day by the Trump administration. So whether it's clearing women 361 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 3: out of the military, clearing black service members' histories off 362 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 3: of military websites, whether it is attacking healthcare or attacking pelgrants, 363 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:34,640 Speaker 3: or attacking all those programs we have so people can 364 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:39,680 Speaker 3: get more opportunity, attacking research and development, attacking every means 365 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:40,639 Speaker 3: of opportunity. 366 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:44,200 Speaker 2: And I just look at this and it just reminds 367 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:45,120 Speaker 2: me a lot of us. 368 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:47,639 Speaker 3: As we were coming up, there was I don't know 369 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:49,960 Speaker 3: if you remember, Madaline Albright said there's a certain place 370 00:18:50,000 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 3: in hell for women who don't support other women. And 371 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 3: I just remember sometimes coming up when it was so 372 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:57,199 Speaker 3: new to have women there, and you would say, Oh, 373 00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:59,359 Speaker 3: the worst kind of person is somebody who climbs the 374 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:02,360 Speaker 3: ladder of sex and pulls that ladder up behind them. 375 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 3: And here we're just seeing that in the Trump administration 376 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 3: at every turn, in every way, capping opportunity right now 377 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:13,119 Speaker 3: for people. 378 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 1: And what is your advice to our listeners for who 379 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 1: are against this administration, who want to protest, Like, what 380 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 1: are the most effective ways to demonstrate your right to 381 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:26,200 Speaker 1: speak out against this, like in your opinion? 382 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 3: So I think about this a lot, as you can imagine, 383 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 3: and I do think. You know, we have no Kings 384 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 3: Day coming up, that's going to be very important. Get 385 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 3: into the streets, advocate for the things you believe in. 386 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:40,919 Speaker 3: And I will tell you and your listeners are going 387 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 3: to I'm a little biased, right. I'm in this tough 388 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:45,879 Speaker 3: race right now in New Jersey. But there are only 389 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 3: two statewide races in the entire nation, in Virginia and 390 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:55,399 Speaker 3: New Jersey. And these two races could either be a 391 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:59,680 Speaker 3: huge mandate against the Trump administration, show that the people 392 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 3: have New Jersey, the people of Virginia do not agree 393 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 3: with where we are headed in this country, or they 394 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 3: could give support to this administration. So you know, to 395 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:14,880 Speaker 3: the extent people have time, go to Mikey Cheryl dot com, 396 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 3: sign up, come to New Jersey, come knock on doors, 397 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 3: sign up for phone banking, text banking, chip in money. 398 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:24,240 Speaker 3: Because right now we are doing everything we can to 399 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 3: get the word. 400 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 2: Out on the campaign. 401 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 3: So anything you can do right now in New Jersey, 402 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 3: I think this is really the race setting the table 403 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:34,440 Speaker 3: for everything that's to come. 404 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:37,919 Speaker 1: Great, great, Okay, Well I will go and make a 405 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 1: donation as well to Mikey Cheryl dot com right now 406 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 1: as we speak. Mikey was wonderful speaking with you. Thank 407 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 1: you so much for being here, and good luck with everything. 408 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:50,200 Speaker 1: And I will be there to campaign with you whenever 409 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 1: you need me. 410 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:53,919 Speaker 2: I love it. I don't know if your listeners know 411 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 2: what a good Jersey girl you are, Chelsea Jersey girl. 412 00:20:57,240 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 2: Welcome any time. 413 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, thank you, have a wonderful day. 414 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 2: Thanks guys, thanks so much. 415 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:08,359 Speaker 4: Genuflecting to lower one's body briefly by bending one knee 416 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:10,920 Speaker 4: to the ground, typically in worship or as a sign 417 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 4: of respect, used in a sentence. Swifty's thought Travis Kelcey 418 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 4: was genuflecting to Taylor before realizing he was actually proposing genuflecting. 419 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 1: I just announced all my tour dates. They just went 420 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 1: on sale this week. It's called the High and Mighty Tour. 421 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 1: I will be starting in February of next year, so 422 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:37,640 Speaker 1: I will be touring from February through June. I haven't 423 00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:40,159 Speaker 1: added second shows yet, but we probably will be to 424 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 1: some of these. So go get your tickets now if 425 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 1: you want good seats and you want to come see 426 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 1: me perform, I will be on the High and Mighty Tour. 427 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 2: Do you want advice from Chelsea? 428 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:53,639 Speaker 4: Right into Dear Chelsea Podcast at gmail dot com. Find 429 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 4: full video episodes of Dear Chelsea on YouTube by searching 430 00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:00,680 Speaker 4: at Dear Chelsea Pod. 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