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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show.

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Speaker 1: I am back from Italy. Buck. I am jet lagged.

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Speaker 1: We got in last night around midnight. Probably will take

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Speaker 1: me a few days to get back to complete normalcy.

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Speaker 1: But an incredible trip over to Italy if you ever

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Speaker 1: get the opportunity to go. I'd never been before. We

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Speaker 1: took the whole crew. I posted some photos. I think

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Speaker 1: we had him up at Clay and Buck also had

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Speaker 1: him up at Instagram of the trip Florence, Rome and Naples.

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Speaker 1: Last day, Buck, we spent in Pompey, which was incredible,

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Speaker 1: covered by the eruption of Mount Vesuvius. Hike to the

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Speaker 1: top of Mount Vesuvius. Just an awesome time. And I

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Speaker 1: tweeted a little bit about this, But we talked regularly

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Speaker 1: on this show about what history nerds we are. And

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Speaker 1: we're gonna get into Trump versus De Santis. Trump said

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Speaker 1: he was going to get arrested today. It does not

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Speaker 1: appear that that's likely to happen. We're going to break

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Speaker 1: down New York City case Valvin Bragg, and we'll also

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Speaker 1: talk about doctor Fauci providing receipts for the wise that

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Speaker 1: he was sharing while they were working on a hagiography

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Speaker 1: documentary that is going to air on PBS. All of

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Speaker 1: that coming your way and more. But what I come

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Speaker 1: back from Italy with is a renewed appreciation for our

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Speaker 1: founding fathers, how brilliant they were to study the history

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Speaker 1: of Greece and Rome, but also just how short, just

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Speaker 1: how incredibly short our entire nation's history is. I mean,

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Speaker 1: when you're walking into the Pantheon, which is two thousand

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Speaker 1: years consistently in Rome, and you do the math and

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Speaker 1: you think, Okay, if someone randomly walked in here, there's

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Speaker 1: almost eighteen hundred years of this building's existence before the

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Speaker 1: United States even came into being. I mean, it just

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Speaker 1: is wild to kind of have that perspective. Also from

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Speaker 1: a religious perspective, we went to Vatican City, but the

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Speaker 1: historical aspects of Jesus, I think in many ways that

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Speaker 1: entire period it feels so remote to people, and then

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Speaker 1: this was here before Jesus, right touring the coliseum, all

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Speaker 1: these different places. It was just an incredible experience that

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Speaker 1: I think, I hope for my kids opens their mind

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Speaker 1: more substantially, But even for me as a middle aged

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Speaker 1: with a renewed appreciation for much of what we have

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Speaker 1: of the history of Rome and how it impacted the

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Speaker 1: United States, if that makes sense. Everybody was fantastic. People

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Speaker 1: The food was insanely good. Buck just an awesome time.

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Speaker 1: It was a great to get away. I'm excited to

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Speaker 1: be back. One of the best places you could visit period.

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Speaker 1: I'm so glad you had a lot of fun. I

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Speaker 1: will say that here we are now being told that

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Speaker 1: Trump will not be indicted at least today. And maybe

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Speaker 1: it's because, you know, wiederp returned to town here, mister

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Speaker 1: Clay Travis. You know, maybe the Commies realized they were

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Speaker 1: misbehaving too much in your absence. Yes, you well know.

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Speaker 1: And we were texting some although thanks to everybody, I

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Speaker 1: morning I woke up and you and Ali had texted

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Speaker 1: at six o'clock over six o'clock Eastern time, which is

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Speaker 1: midnight over there, eleven o'clock, whatever it is, and you

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Speaker 1: For me sometimes March madness, what was happening in the

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Speaker 1: and diving into this Alvin Bragg's story, Buck, I just

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Speaker 1: for people who listen, I've been predicting that Trump was

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Speaker 1: But I just don't think people are talking enough about

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Speaker 1: how outrageously without precedent this move is not only for

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Speaker 1: for decades to come. Democrats have tried similar shenanigans in

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Speaker 1: That's really the part of this that I think if

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Speaker 1: I mentioned before. I think it was Clay while you

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Speaker 1: justice Scalia, for getting a good table at a restaurant

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Speaker 1: good table. He's like, it's completely insane, the Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: is there a chance that brag backs off at this point?

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Speaker 1: Break those two down for Yeah, that those are good questions.

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Speaker 1: And so the first one is it depends on what

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Speaker 1: Alvin Bragg's aim is. He overwhelmingly wins by bringing charges

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Speaker 1: It's also a strange thing to spend a few days

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Speaker 1: this clay. This was there's a banking crisis that is

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Speaker 1: and it's crazy. Andy McCarthy was saying that could this

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Speaker 1: there's nothing but upside for him over the long term.

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Speaker 1: you can want to get active, do not do anything

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Speaker 1: you'll be a headline on CNN, you'll be a headline

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Speaker 1: And I think if we had Trump on, I would

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Speaker 1: tell them the same thing. Donald Trump, you want the

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Speaker 1: story of your arrest to be the unfounded political nature

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Speaker 1: of that arrest. You don't want it to be your

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Speaker 1: supporter's response to that arrest. If you're Trump and you

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Speaker 1: want to flash the handcuffs as you walk in and

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Speaker 1: define yourself as a political prisoner, I think that's a

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Speaker 1: great look for Trump. I really do. I think it

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Speaker 1: helps him. What does not help him is what you

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Speaker 1: Washington postal du Buck is if four people get arrested

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Speaker 1: for violence, Trump getting arrested will become the secondary story,

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Speaker 1: and it will become look at these Trump supporting maniacs

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Speaker 1: trying to overthrow democracy again. They're coming after our legal system.

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Speaker 1: Now they've already come after our constitution. I understand. Also

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Speaker 1: it's so unfair because they had the BLM riots all

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Speaker 1: And then Kamala Harris wanted money raised fort for rioters,

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Speaker 1: for people that were destroying our society because of I mean,

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Speaker 1: than raising crime rates and more people getting shot and

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Speaker 1: That is what happened. But to your point about what

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Speaker 1: goes on now, it isn't going to be fair. And

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Speaker 1: we need to understand that it is a rigged game.

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Speaker 1: And what that means in the context of protest in

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Speaker 1: favor of or in support of the craziness of a

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Speaker 1: possible Trump prosecution, is if you have a handful of people,

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Speaker 1: a handful of people who you know, throw throw fistsit

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Speaker 1: cops or get crazy over this or whatever, CNN will

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Speaker 1: run it on a loop for the next six months,

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Speaker 1: for the next eighteen months. It doesn't matter that it's

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Speaker 1: that is the And now you could say, oh, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was two people that were you know, thirty thousand

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Speaker 1: people protesting all but we will tell the truth. You know,

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Speaker 1: Fox will tell the truth of what a few other

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Speaker 1: home and narrative. So if they just have even the

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Speaker 1: We'll take some of your calls maybe to close out

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Speaker 1: the hour, but understand what their game plan is. They

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Speaker 1: a symbol of all Trump supporters and how unacceptable your

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Speaker 1: opinions are. I understand the rage. They want Trump, they

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Speaker 1: want him against Biden. They're gonna do whatever they can

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Speaker 1: it felt a little bit like a challenge to Alvin

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Speaker 1: charged in this case, is that the right move for him?

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Speaker 1: moving parts here that it's hard to analyze. To your point, bucket,

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Speaker 1: we'll talk with Annie McCarthy about this. How does this

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Speaker 1: federal level. I mean, I just think there's so many

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Speaker 1: angles here that become so complicated. But the biggest one

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Speaker 1: and this is one thing I want to come back

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Speaker 1: to later. Clay laughably minor charges. Yes, this is like

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Speaker 1: Jim in Texas has some thoughts about protest Trump and

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Speaker 1: the possible in Diamond. What's up, Jim, Thanks for listening. Yeah, guys,

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Speaker 1: I was calling about your comments on that. You said

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Speaker 1: exercising your First Amendment rights is fine. Of course, people

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Speaker 1: Clay's exhortation. He did say don't protest. He meant don't

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Speaker 1: protest and riots. Yes, So Jim, you're you're you're right,

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Speaker 1: But I mean, if you're listen to the contest of

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Speaker 1: And I don't believe if one hundred thousand Trump supporters

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Speaker 1: the BLM protest, but they then will turn you into

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Speaker 1: a scapegoat a sign of Trump having been completely overtaken

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Speaker 1: the Trump supporters by anti Democrat mindset, and they'll put

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Speaker 1: you in prison for years if you step outside the

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Speaker 1: going on. Appreciate Jim, Jim and Texas calling in so

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Speaker 1: what we're talking about here. Um. Yeah, if you want

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Speaker 1: God bless of course you know, Clay and I might

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Speaker 1: see you there. But if you're talking about going to

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Speaker 1: Don't put yourself in a losing proposition. I just want

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Speaker 1: What do you think happens to you? Do you think

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Speaker 1: District Attorney Bragg is gonna say you are defending yourself? No,

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Speaker 1: Clay and I are going to be raising money for

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Speaker 1: you because they're gonna try to lock you away for

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Speaker 1: ten years. That's what we're saying. Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton on the front lines of truth