1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: This is the most dramatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast. 2 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: Chris Harrison Lauren z Ema coming to you from the 3 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 1: home office in Austin, Texas. We open up the playbook 4 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:17,479 Speaker 1: as we step back today in Bachelor Lore, Elsie. We 5 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 1: got a comment from one of our listeners about a 6 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:25,919 Speaker 1: particular moment in Bachelor history, and this went viral the 7 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:29,639 Speaker 1: other day online and it was actually really funny. So 8 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:33,839 Speaker 1: I will give you a first hand, professional re enactment 9 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:38,480 Speaker 1: of this dramatic moment. When I walked into the room 10 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 1: to announce to the ladies that they would be traveling, 11 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 1: and again, they're tired, They're ready to go. They know 12 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 1: this announcement is coming. And I walk in and I say, ladies, 13 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 1: it's time to pack up the first stop on this 14 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 1: amazing journey that will take us around the world. Now 15 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:05,160 Speaker 1: I'm going to pause for a second because now they're 16 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 1: on the edge of their seats. They are anticipating the 17 00:01:08,880 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 1: greatest announcement ever. Australia, Asia, Africa, Europe. Where are we 18 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:20,320 Speaker 1: going that will take us around the world. We'll begin 19 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 1: in a city full of art, culture and rock and roll. 20 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: Peter is going to meet you in Cleveland, and that 21 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: is when the penny dropped. 22 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:40,040 Speaker 2: I remember that. That was Peter Weber pilot Pete season 23 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 2: and yeah, you were coming in to tell them, was 24 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 2: it about their first trip? 25 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 1: That was the first trip? You know, it's time, you know, 26 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: at episode three or four whatever when we would always 27 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 1: leave and you know, it got so commonplace too that 28 00:01:52,840 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 1: you know, everybody knew when they were going and all that, 29 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 1: and they. 30 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 2: Were except you mean, like people had watched the show 31 00:01:57,720 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 2: and then they'd come on, so they knew, oh, he's 32 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 2: going to come in and announce that. Now, yeah, they 33 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 2: knew the formula. 34 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, so they you know, that was the one it was. 35 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 1: It's so funny because in the days and episodes leading 36 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:09,079 Speaker 1: up to that, when I go wake them up in 37 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 1: the morning, and you really are waking them up early. 38 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:13,639 Speaker 1: We've been up previously the night before at the Rose 39 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 1: ceremony till probably a few hours before I come back in, 40 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 1: and so everybody's really tired, and you know, the producers 41 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 1: are trying to pump everybody up, and everyone's bleary eyed, 42 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 1: and you know, we're like, hey, can y'all look you know, 43 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: somewhat alive. It's going to be on HDTV soon. And 44 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 1: so that was then you'd come in and they were 45 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 1: actually excited because you know, you're going to go somewhere cool. 46 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 2: But this was to Cleveland, Ohio. No shame to Cleveland, Ohio, 47 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 2: but it's not BALI, right. 48 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 1: And so we I got there that morning, and you know, 49 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:51,920 Speaker 1: typically we would work with the boards of Tourism, Chamber 50 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:54,919 Speaker 1: of Commerce, wherever, you know, one of the governments around, 51 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: you know, if you went to a different country, and 52 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 1: there were certain things that they would want said. And 53 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:03,920 Speaker 1: obviously our goal is to make it seem romantic and 54 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 1: exciting and pump up the volume and all this. And 55 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 1: I got there that morning and we're all really tired, 56 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:13,880 Speaker 1: and we've been doing this for twenty years. It was 57 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:17,079 Speaker 1: just like wanh wanh wanh. 58 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 2: But like you had to know what the reaction to 59 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:20,920 Speaker 2: Cleveland was going to be. 60 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 1: One hundred percent. I was worried because I'm like, what 61 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: they're gonna They're gonna come at me like angry villagers. 62 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 1: They were, you know, I was totally scared of what 63 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 1: was about to happen. And uh I because I knew 64 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: it was just going to go off so dead. What 65 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 1: they didn't show, I don't think unless it was a 66 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 1: blooper on that episode. But I did a fake take 67 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: when I said we were going to Maui. You fake 68 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: them out or honolu, I said something I think. I 69 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: said we're going to Hawaii and they went nuts. 70 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 2: I said, so when you say fake take, you mean 71 00:03:57,920 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 2: you lied to them first. 72 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 1: And I said, I'm just kidding, We're going to Cleveland. 73 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 2: They're like, what, So why did you tell them Hawaii? 74 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 1: Because I needed that reaction? 75 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 2: Oh, because you thought they'll put this reaction shot in 76 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 2: later one hundred people will actually make it look like 77 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 2: these women are cheering for Cleveland, Ohio. Yes, had you 78 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 2: guys done that before? Because that now feels familiar to me. 79 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 2: I feel like there were other seasons where I watched, 80 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 2: because Cleveland wasn't the first so so destination. Yes, I 81 00:04:22,640 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 2: could be wrong, but I feel like there were other 82 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 2: seasons where I watched and that reaction, the reaction was 83 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 2: big to an okay place, and I remember thinking, why 84 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 2: are these women so excited for like Little Rock, Arkansas? 85 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 2: So had you done that before? Faked them out? 86 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 1: I would say other things to get I think what Deadwood, 87 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 1: South Dakota was another one, which, by the way, you know, 88 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 1: here's the thing. Some of these locations were amazing, like Whitefish, Montana, Deadwood. 89 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 1: I even liked going to Cleveland, some of these other 90 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:54,840 Speaker 1: locations around the country. We would always kind of use 91 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 1: the United States is the jumping point typically, and then 92 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 1: you would go off overseas and it's just hard because 93 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:06,840 Speaker 1: they're so excited because you come in and you say 94 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 1: we're about to, you know, begin a jury that will 95 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 1: literally take us around the world, when it literally wasn't 96 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 1: taking us well. 97 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:16,359 Speaker 2: Also, some cities just don't have that. Like if you 98 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 2: say we're going to Miami, Florida, that has a little 99 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 2: more recognizability then New Orleans, Vegas, right, Whitefish, Montana, I'd 100 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:27,039 Speaker 2: be like, I mean, I have some Yellowstone. Is it cool? 101 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 2: Is it like Yellowstone? So you you did the fake take. 102 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 2: They ended up airing the crickets, which was funny. 103 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:36,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm glad they lean into it. 104 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 2: And sometimes the show wouldn't lean into reality enough. I 105 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 2: was sitting watching going like you just said, it's been 106 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 2: on for twenty years, Like just lean into and welcome 107 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 2: the reality of this reality show because we all know, 108 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:48,479 Speaker 2: you know, you don't need to fake us out, Like 109 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 2: as if they were excited about. 110 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:53,359 Speaker 1: Well, and lean into because we're going to show Cleveland 111 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 1: in a very good light, right, We're going to show 112 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 1: the rock and Roll Hall of Fame, and we get 113 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 1: access to and we did. We actually had a great time, 114 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 1: and I was there for a few days and hit 115 00:06:02,360 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 1: some great restaurants and I love that area. But it's 116 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 1: okay to lean into the joke and then go there 117 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 1: and then show how great that's. 118 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 2: Cause then you're going upward. Yeah, you're on an upward journey. 119 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, don't I mean to have people screaming and yelling 120 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:18,799 Speaker 1: that they're going to Minneapolis or Cleveland or Dallas. Like really, 121 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 1: it's it's like, come on, we know, we know we're 122 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 1: not going to be all that excited compared to like 123 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 1: Bora Bora, and but you know, Peter season, we went 124 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:28,840 Speaker 1: off and we'd ended up in some great places and. 125 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 2: What else did you ever have to fake reactions to 126 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 2: the most? I think people have probably asked you about 127 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 2: this a million times. I'm not sure I ever have, 128 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 2: but people always wondered if the lead like remembered everyone 129 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:45,599 Speaker 2: during the rows ceremony, for example, I'm thinking of stuff 130 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 2: like that. Did you have to reshoot somebody saying names, 131 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 2: or like, what did you guys have to reshoot or 132 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:53,600 Speaker 2: do a fake take of even though it was a 133 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 2: reality show. 134 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 1: One of the big things that we were always careful of, 135 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 1: and we drew this line ourselves, is we would never 136 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 1: people always ask did you write the names on the roses? 137 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 1: Do they have an IFB which is that little earpiece 138 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:08,719 Speaker 1: where the producer would tell you what to say? Or 139 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 1: were there que cards? Because how would they remember? We 140 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 1: made them memorize the names in order. What they would 141 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 1: do is they would choose the list of say ten, 142 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 1: fifteen women, whatever it is. Then you would have to 143 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:26,440 Speaker 1: memorize as many names as you could. However many Lourens 144 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 1: and Kelly's you could memorize, and then you would go 145 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 1: out and say it. Then you would stop and leave 146 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 1: the room. Producer your handler would have the list and 147 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 1: you would go on. 148 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 2: So they'd memorize like three or four names at a time. Yeah, gotcha. 149 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:41,200 Speaker 1: Well, and I don't know if people got dumber over 150 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: the years, but it's funny like back in the day 151 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 1: they would go three, four or five people in a row. 152 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 1: Then it got to be like two people in a row. 153 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 2: I think the answer is people got. 154 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: It was really, I mean really it got bad sometimes, 155 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 1: like we can't do three names. 156 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 2: Brad Womack. Was he the one who once infamously said 157 00:07:59,080 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 2: the wrong name when you went out there? 158 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 1: Well, the most famous one was Jesse Palmer, Oh maybe 159 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 1: it was Jesse. Jesse on night one looked at one 160 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: girl and said the wrong name, and she came up 161 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 1: and got a rose, and then he like froze and 162 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: we left and he's like, I said the wrong name. 163 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 1: And then he went back out and was like, look, 164 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 1: I didn't mean to give you a rose, but since 165 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 1: you got it, do you want to stay? And the 166 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:26,119 Speaker 1: girl stayed? Like I think if the girl had any 167 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 1: kind of hoofs about her, she would have been like, no, 168 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 1: like I'm leaving, But she's like, I want to be 169 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:34,160 Speaker 1: on TV again, so I'm gonna stay. But yeah, he's 170 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 1: he's the one that infamously said the wrong name. 171 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 2: So then so you guys chose to put it back 172 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 2: on her. 173 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 1: So yeah, back he goes. He goes, what do I do? 174 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 1: And I'm like, well, say say the right name from 175 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 1: now on and then go because he offered her, He's like, look, 176 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 1: I this is what happened. And it was the right 177 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: thing to do, but he put it back on her 178 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 1: and then. But as far as reshooting stuff, the only time, 179 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 1: you know, every now and then very rare. Ken Fuchs 180 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 1: was our director. If for some reason we had a 181 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 1: bad take or the lighting messed up or whatever, we 182 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 1: would maybe have them say it again, but we would 183 00:09:12,240 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 1: never change what happened. Right, Like, if somebody did screw 184 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 1: up and say the wrong name or what you would, 185 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:21,079 Speaker 1: we would not have fixed that. We would have shown 186 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 1: that and then had to correct it with whatever, Jesse, 187 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 1: can you. 188 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 2: Say that wrong name again? We didn't. The lighting wasn't 189 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 2: great exactly, We didn't. It was a little dark. The 190 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 2: shot okay. 191 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: And the only thing I ever had people do is 192 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 1: again they would be so tired in the mornings when 193 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 1: I would go in and set up dates and they 194 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:38,720 Speaker 1: were just dead. I mean they were so so tired 195 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 1: or hungover or whatever, and producers would be like, Hey, 196 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 1: can y'all act like you care at all about what 197 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:44,959 Speaker 1: I'm saying. 198 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 2: I always used to advise people, even doing like hosting 199 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 2: and stuff, you have to like be yourself, but add 200 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 2: ten percent like the camera just being on camera, having 201 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 2: a screen separating you from a person. You can't just 202 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 2: be you like you want to be natural. But you 203 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 2: can't just be you as if you're you know, talking 204 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 2: to your friend over coffee. You need a little more 205 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 2: energy at the table. 206 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 1: When as years went by, you would you know, we 207 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 1: got cheaper and cheaper, you would lose cruise, and so 208 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 1: we would often do what's called a clean read, and 209 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:20,680 Speaker 1: so they would shoot my stuff first without anybody in 210 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 1: the room, and so produce. Usually there'd be like two 211 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 1: or three producers sitting on the couch making fun of me, 212 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 1: trying to get me to laugh, goofing around, and I 213 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 1: would read, you know, do it a couple different ways 214 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 1: with an eye with a camera directly at me, and 215 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 1: then they could only you know, then that way you 216 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 1: can use all the cameras to just shoot the women 217 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 1: when we would do it for real and you get 218 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 1: the ladies reactions. 219 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 2: You told me the other day. They used to mess 220 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 2: with you during the live shows too. 221 00:10:57,720 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 1: They would yeah, because you know, I had I would 222 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 1: have an eye be during the live specials or doing 223 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 1: the tell, all all those things they you know, and 224 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 1: so they would prompt me on certain things and say, okay, 225 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:10,160 Speaker 1: next up, talk to Lauren or talk to Kelly or 226 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 1: bring her up to the hot seat. But most of 227 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 1: the time they would be in my ear trying to 228 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 1: get me to crack up, saying really inappropriate stuff when 229 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:21,040 Speaker 1: you're on live when I'm on live TV. Yeah, we're 230 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 1: on live TV. And they would just they would be, 231 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 1: you know, really inappropriate okay, Like I wish I could 232 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 1: have had those recordings that would have been great bloopers, 233 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:35,959 Speaker 1: you know. And they would often do it very inopportune 234 00:11:35,960 --> 00:11:38,680 Speaker 1: times if things were really emotional, someone would be crying 235 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 1: or it was like a really tense moment and they 236 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:42,439 Speaker 1: would try to crack me up. 237 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 2: And cross your zippers down. 238 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. I was like, do you always drool like that? 239 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: Or like, do you have you always had a lazy eye? 240 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 1: That's weird? 241 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 2: Like Chris, you're really sweaty, just so you know, man, 242 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:56,080 Speaker 2: seek No, you never sweat okay. Getting back to the 243 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 2: traveling thing a little bit, to destinations such as Cleveland. 244 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:04,079 Speaker 2: I did not watch the show back in the original days, 245 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:07,960 Speaker 2: but you didn't always travel. Do you think that it 246 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 2: made the show better or worse when you started traveling 247 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 2: instead of just filming everything like at the Mansion and locally. 248 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 2: How do you think it affected the show overall? 249 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: Well, it made the show better, but it also made 250 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 1: it cheaper in a couple of ways because it was 251 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 1: Charlie O'Connor. 252 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 2: So better and cheaper. 253 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 1: That's a good Charlie O'Connell was a first one where 254 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:32,679 Speaker 1: we really traveled and then we stayed. We went to Aruba, 255 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:35,840 Speaker 1: and the and the Bord of Tourism in Aruba did 256 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 1: a big payout and got us to stay there for 257 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:43,080 Speaker 1: the final, for the third when it was down to three, 258 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 1: and then the finale and that was the first time 259 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:48,840 Speaker 1: we'd ever done that, and it went unbelievably well. They 260 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 1: were so excited and then tragically, the Natalie Hollowell case happened. 261 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 2: Natalie Holloway, Yeah. 262 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:57,679 Speaker 1: And that happened right and they were it was like 263 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 1: they had the high of our show and then that 264 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 1: and it was a total disaster. So we felt bad, 265 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 1: But that was the first time, and then from then 266 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 1: on it started getting bigger and bigger from these resorts 267 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 1: and boards of tourism in these countries that were like, yeah, 268 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 1: instead of buying a sixty second commercial that no one's 269 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 1: going to watch, we're going to bring the bachelor over 270 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:22,080 Speaker 1: and have a two hour high definition commercial to millions 271 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 1: and millions. You know, at the time it was tens 272 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 1: of millions of people, so it was huge. So they 273 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 1: would pay us to come over there and shoot, so 274 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: it was cheaper and allowed us to cause. Look, the 275 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:34,560 Speaker 1: other thing is why was the show better? Because after 276 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:38,559 Speaker 1: several years of being in la There's only so many 277 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 1: times you can go wine tasting, only so many times 278 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:42,840 Speaker 1: you can get in a hot air balloon, go to 279 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 1: the beach, go to Malibu. You know, there's just not 280 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:48,320 Speaker 1: that many locations, and so it got a little tired. 281 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 2: Well, as a viewer, it was nice because you sort 282 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 2: of felt like you were traveling while watching the show. 283 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 2: I mean, I like movies that are set in other 284 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:59,239 Speaker 2: locations for the same reason. It was aescapist. 285 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:01,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, and people would honestly, back in the day, it 286 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:04,079 Speaker 1: was done on such a high level. I don't know, 287 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 1: I've heard it's not on this level now. And it 288 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:09,559 Speaker 1: was already waning when I was still on the show. 289 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:13,440 Speaker 1: We stopped staying at the nicest resort. Yeah, it was 290 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 1: really on a budget, and so we weren't showing you 291 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 1: the best of these cities, and we weren't going to 292 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 1: the nicest places in the world, and so that age 293 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 1: and era had stopped. But it was escapism, and these 294 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:30,520 Speaker 1: websites of these resorts and countries would crash after the 295 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 1: episode aired. It was pretty amazing what the result would be. 296 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 2: How do you think it affected the relationships? Because here's 297 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 2: where my mind goes, and I'm asking you because you 298 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 2: just have the scope of you were on it throughout 299 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 2: all the different iterations. Like, on the one hand, I 300 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 2: think travel is important in a relationship. You got to 301 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 2: travel with somebody and see how do we do together 302 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 2: when we've missed our flight, and do we like to 303 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 2: do the same things when we travel. But then on 304 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 2: the other hand, you know, when you've just started dating, 305 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 2: you're not typically going to Europe together. So I mean, 306 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 2: I guess it could make better TV. People get really 307 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 2: swept up in it. How do you think it affected 308 00:15:11,920 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 2: the actual relationship connections? 309 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 1: It didn't help because they're not traveling together. It's not 310 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 1: a real situation where they're traveling together. The bachelor does 311 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 1: not fly with the bachelorettes or vice versa. We keep 312 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 1: the cast apart, so the lead will travel separately. So 313 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 1: you're flying separately, so you don't get to see the 314 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:34,160 Speaker 1: angst of being late for a flight, who lost the tickets? 315 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 1: Oh my god, you packed five bags and I did 316 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 1: a carry on, And then you get to the resort 317 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 1: and oh my gosh, this room's really small and the 318 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 1: toilet is right there, so you know, who goes to 319 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 1: the bathroom and win? And do you go to the lobby? 320 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 1: And you know, all those things, all the angst of 321 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 1: traveling together. They're not doing that. They're not spending that 322 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 1: kind of time together, so it's not that intimacy. They're 323 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 1: only getting the time that we allow, and you're only 324 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 1: seeing the best parts of that person because we want 325 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 1: the bachelor bacherette to look right. So the only time 326 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 1: they're seeing each other is when they're on on a 327 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 1: seaplane going to a private island that happens to be 328 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 1: shaped like a heart and there's a lobster dinner waiting there. 329 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 2: So I think I missed the episode with the heart 330 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 2: shaped island. 331 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 3: There was one was okay, So it's you know, it's 332 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 3: not you know, well, it would have. 333 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 2: Been funny if like I would still love for them 334 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 2: to do this, like do a date like that one time, 335 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 2: you know, it's uh, just like going to Cleveland, you know, 336 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 2: put them through a rough and tumble travel situation together. 337 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 1: You have an hour to get to the airport, like. 338 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 2: Like the Amazing Rates Race meets The Bachelor. 339 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 1: Totally yeah, and so yeah, it's it's it's the best 340 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 1: of travel without the worst of travel. And and so 341 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:57,840 Speaker 1: you know, as as you, I agree, you gotta work. 342 00:16:57,880 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 1: You gotta really travel with someone intimately to know someone. 343 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:07,440 Speaker 2: And that's why you and I went to Cleveland together. Okay, 344 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 2: Well that was a fun little trip down memory lane 345 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:14,920 Speaker 2: and a little insight into how the behind the scenes 346 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 2: of some of those big reality TV moments work. Thank 347 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 2: you guys for joining us for another episode of the 348 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:24,639 Speaker 2: Playbook here on the Most Dramatic Podcast Ever. 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