WEBVTT - Talking Heads: Punk Rock, New Wave, Blackouts, and Psycho Killers (Rewind)

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<v Speaker 1>Disgraceland is a production of Double Elvis. This is a

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<v Speaker 1>story about the band Talking Heads, but it's also the

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<v Speaker 1>story about a singer and a serial killer. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>wild story, a story that involves six murders, unsuspecting young people,

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<v Speaker 1>snuck up on in the darkness and shot in cold

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<v Speaker 1>blood by a psycho. And it's a story about a

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<v Speaker 1>singer trying to channel that detached psychotic feeling into song.

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<v Speaker 1>A story about punk rock, the New Wave, the New

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<v Speaker 1>York Yankees, the Mets, a garbage strike, and a blackout

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<v Speaker 1>that brought terror and violence. All that aside, this is

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<v Speaker 1>also a story about great music, Unlike that music I

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<v Speaker 1>played for you at the top of the show that

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't great music. That was a preset loop from my

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<v Speaker 1>mellotron called Fears of a Clown MK two. I played

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<v Speaker 1>you that loop because I can't afford the rights to

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<v Speaker 1>Kiss and Say Goodbye by the Manhattans. And why would

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<v Speaker 1>I play you that particular slice of Backseat Dark End

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<v Speaker 1>of the Street Cheese? Could I afford it? Because that

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<v Speaker 1>was the number one song in America on July twenty ninth,

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy six, and that was the day that David

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<v Speaker 1>Berkowitz kicked off a murderous rampage that terrorized New Yorkers

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<v Speaker 1>for over a year, a year during which Talking Heads

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<v Speaker 1>recorded their landmark first album and their signature song, Psycho Killer.

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<v Speaker 1>On this episode, a singer, a serial killer, the son

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<v Speaker 1>of Sam and Talking Heads. I'm Jake Brennan and this

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<v Speaker 1>is Disgraceland snare drum, high hat baseline. It was a

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<v Speaker 1>groove so loud and so low that you didn't even

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<v Speaker 1>hear it, You just felt it there in your chest.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the kind of groove that animates bodies. And those

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<v Speaker 1>kinds of records, they get the crowd on the dance

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<v Speaker 1>floor and then they keep them there. These the kinds

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<v Speaker 1>of records. A Tonya motto spawned at the Peach Tree

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<v Speaker 1>right now at ten thirty pm, Tony was keeping the

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<v Speaker 1>tempo at a moderate ninety five beats per minute. By

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<v Speaker 1>one am, he'd work it all the way up to

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred and forty bpm as thousands of kids in

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<v Speaker 1>their late teens and early twenties boogied down. Then Tony

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<v Speaker 1>gradually relaxed the pace and cooled them all out. By

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<v Speaker 1>closing time. It wasn't studio fifty four, But in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventy six, in the suburb of New Rochelle, New York,

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<v Speaker 1>the peach Tree was as close as it got to

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<v Speaker 1>that midtown field. Besides, New York City was a cesspool.

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<v Speaker 1>It was dangerous and it was dirty. The suburbs were safer,

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<v Speaker 1>and this gig was easier, and based on the pair

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<v Speaker 1>of brunettes that just walked by, the peach tree was

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<v Speaker 1>plenty good enough for Tony. Just then, a young guy

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<v Speaker 1>in a wrinkled button down shirt shuffled into the DJ

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<v Speaker 1>booth holding a glass of water for Tony. Normally, the

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<v Speaker 1>DJ booth was Tony's sacred space, no guests and no requests,

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<v Speaker 1>but he felt sorry for this quiet young guy with

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<v Speaker 1>the intense black eyes and the wild hair. He always

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<v Speaker 1>came to the club alone, and he never danced. He

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<v Speaker 1>just hung at the edge of the DJ booth and

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<v Speaker 1>watched Tony work. Eventually, Tony took pity on him and

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<v Speaker 1>showed him the turntables and mixing board tonight. The guy

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<v Speaker 1>handed Tony's a glass of water and stared over his

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<v Speaker 1>shoulder at the turntables. Tony tried to fill the awkward silence.

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<v Speaker 1>He asked the guy if he liked disco. Nah. The

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<v Speaker 1>guy said he preferred Philly's soul. Tony changed his strategy

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<v Speaker 1>dy like girls, and the guy's eyes flashed with anger.

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<v Speaker 1>He just stared at his shoes. Tony felt that it

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<v Speaker 1>was clear that this guy wasn't a ladies man, but Jesus,

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<v Speaker 1>he was just trying to make conversation. An uncomfortable silence

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<v Speaker 1>hung in the air for another minute, and finally the

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<v Speaker 1>guy muttered goodbye and quickly turned and walked out of

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<v Speaker 1>the booth, And as he turned the corner, Tony called

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<v Speaker 1>out after him, Hey, David, catch you later. Meanwhile, twenty

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<v Speaker 1>miles south, another awkward young man clung to a doorframe

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<v Speaker 1>in a tiny damp room. A future mix of smells

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<v Speaker 1>filled his nostrils. Piss, cockroach, spray, Chanelle number five, a

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<v Speaker 1>combination so thick it enveloped him. All the same, he

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't leave. He knew what was waiting just on the

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<v Speaker 1>other side of the door. He could hear the huge dog,

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<v Speaker 1>panting in the summer heat, nudging at the door with

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<v Speaker 1>its nose, scraping its claws across the wooden floor. He

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<v Speaker 1>knew the dog wouldn't let up. Now that it had

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<v Speaker 1>his attention, and soon he would have to do its bidding. Finally,

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<v Speaker 1>the young man pushed the door open, and the black

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<v Speaker 1>dog trotted forward and stopped right in front of him.

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<v Speaker 1>It looked up with those sad eyes, eyes that were

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<v Speaker 1>almost human, and for a moment it seemed like the

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<v Speaker 1>mutt was going to speak. It paused, it circled, and

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<v Speaker 1>then took a shit right there on the wooden floor.

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<v Speaker 1>The dog forced its muzzle into his hands, leaving David

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<v Speaker 1>Byrne with no choice but to scratch the ears of

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<v Speaker 1>the big sluki hound until it turned and ran back

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<v Speaker 1>to a man standing at the bar. That man was

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<v Speaker 1>Hilly Crystal. He ran seebegb this tiny dive on the Bowery,

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<v Speaker 1>and his dog Jonathan was the club's unofficial mascot. By

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<v Speaker 1>July nineteen seventy six, not much remained of Hill's original

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<v Speaker 1>vision of what was once called country, Bluegrass and Blues,

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<v Speaker 1>hence CBGV. Instead, the club was the epicenter of a

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<v Speaker 1>new wave of music, powered by bands including Television Blondie,

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<v Speaker 1>The Ramones, and tonight's headliner Talking Heads. David Byrne and

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<v Speaker 1>his bandmates Bassist Tina Weymouth and drummer Chris Franz hardly

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<v Speaker 1>looked like a band at the center of the emerging

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<v Speaker 1>punk sy where the Ramones rocked black leather and shades,

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<v Speaker 1>Talking Heads wore polo shirts with little alligators on them.

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<v Speaker 1>Clean cut, nerdy, almost they were, as rock critic Lester

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<v Speaker 1>Bangs later put it, so uncool that they became cool tonight, however,

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<v Speaker 1>they were well on their way to becoming cool. Only

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<v Speaker 1>a year after their first gig as Talking Heads, they

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<v Speaker 1>were gearing out for their second sold out show of

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<v Speaker 1>the night. As the line grew outside the club, David

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<v Speaker 1>Byrne felt tense, nervous. He couldn't relax and the pressure

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<v Speaker 1>was on in addition to the huge crowd outside. Sire

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<v Speaker 1>Records founder seymour Stein was inside the building. He had

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<v Speaker 1>been scouting the band for months. He saw one of

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<v Speaker 1>their first shows a year prior, and now he was

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<v Speaker 1>ready to check on the band's progress. The doors opened

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<v Speaker 1>and the crowd rushed in, and when the band kicked off,

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<v Speaker 1>seymour Stein was pressed up against the front of the stage.

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<v Speaker 1>He watched David Byrne twitch in convulse like a man

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<v Speaker 1>possessed his singing voice was just as jittery, swinging wildly

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<v Speaker 1>up and down in pitch, but there was something oddly

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<v Speaker 1>compelling about it. He was intense, he was passionate. In

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<v Speaker 1>the right hands, he could be the star, which is

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<v Speaker 1>exactly why Seymour wanted the band for Sire Records. The

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<v Speaker 1>first song ended and the crowd roared. David waited a

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<v Speaker 1>moment before step into the microphone to announce their next one.

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<v Speaker 1>The name of this band is Talking Heads. The next

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<v Speaker 1>song is called Psycho Killer. While Talking Heads finished their

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<v Speaker 1>late set back in New Rochelle, Tonyamato watched that pair

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<v Speaker 1>of brunettes walk out of the Peach Tree too bad.

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<v Speaker 1>Tony recognized one of them. What was her name? Debbie? Diane? No, Donna,

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<v Speaker 1>that was it. He was hoping she might stick around

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<v Speaker 1>a chat, but unfortunately that wasn't in the cards. Tonight,

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<v Speaker 1>Donna and her friend Jody slipped out of the club

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<v Speaker 1>and into the bomby night Air. They hopped into Jody's

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<v Speaker 1>oldsmobile and headed south to the Bronx to Pelham Bay,

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<v Speaker 1>where Donna lived with her parents. Jody double parked in

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<v Speaker 1>front of the house. The girls didn't notice the guy

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<v Speaker 1>who was following them. He pulled his yellow Ford Galaxy

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<v Speaker 1>to the curve half a block away, replaying the scene

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<v Speaker 1>from the disco in his mind, he let out a hard,

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<v Speaker 1>angry laugh. Of course he liked girls, but girls hardly

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<v Speaker 1>noticed him, just like everyone else, and when they did,

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<v Speaker 1>it was just to pity him. Even that DJ back

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<v Speaker 1>at the peach Tree, he was so patronizing. None of

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<v Speaker 1>them truly saw him. Not really. He was going to

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<v Speaker 1>fix that starting tonight. Soon the whole city would notice him.

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<v Speaker 1>He pulled a revolver from his pocket and massaged it

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<v Speaker 1>in his hands. Somewhere a dog was barking. He tried

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<v Speaker 1>to block it from his mind and focus on what

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<v Speaker 1>he was here to do. Make them notice. He opened

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<v Speaker 1>the door of his forward Galaxy and stepped out into

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<v Speaker 1>the night. E oldsmobile idle just up ahead, a few

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<v Speaker 1>feet away. Now he crept up on the passenger side.

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<v Speaker 1>Suddenly the passenger door swung open. It was Donna. She

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<v Speaker 1>saw him there waiting for her, his heart pounding, that

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<v Speaker 1>snub nosed piece in his hands, shimmering under the moonlight.

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<v Speaker 1>She screamed, who the hell are you? The flash and

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<v Speaker 1>the revolver was blinding. The shots cut through the night

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<v Speaker 1>air like thunder. Donna fell to the ground. He gave

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<v Speaker 1>to Jody in the driver's seat. She looked like she

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<v Speaker 1>was about to puke. He fired three more shots. The

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<v Speaker 1>first one tore through her leg. She screamed in pain

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<v Speaker 1>as blood spilled out into the driver's seat, and then

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<v Speaker 1>he turned and ran. Doma's parents bolted out of the house.

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<v Speaker 1>They rushed down to the car, but it was too late.

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<v Speaker 1>At just eighteen years old, their daughter's life was over.

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<v Speaker 1>For the rest of New York City, The nightmare was

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<v Speaker 1>just Beginning April nineteen seventy seven, Manhattan Sun Dragon's Studios,

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<v Speaker 1>something was bothering David Byrne. The music coming out of

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<v Speaker 1>the control room speakers was not good, not good at all.

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<v Speaker 1>David's bandmates, Tina Weymouth, Chris Franz, and their latest edition

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<v Speaker 1>multi instrumentalist Jerry Harrison, formerly of The Modern Lovers, they

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<v Speaker 1>all agreed. Listening to this first playback of their song

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<v Speaker 1>Psycho Killer, they realized that something was off. The cold

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<v Speaker 1>detached persona that David created so easily on stage at

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<v Speaker 1>CBGB was no match for the cold detached atmosphere the

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<v Speaker 1>recording studios. Isolated vocal booth on Tate. David's voice sounded timid, weak, uninspired.

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<v Speaker 1>He hated it. The track should have been better than this.

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<v Speaker 1>It was the band's oldest song, one they wrote in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen seventy four while they were all still art students

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<v Speaker 1>at Rhode Island School of Design. David came up with

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<v Speaker 1>the concept after listening to Alice Cooper's shock rock masterpiece

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<v Speaker 1>Billion Dollar Babies on repeat. Back then, he imagined it

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<v Speaker 1>as a creepy rock ballad, but Chris added a funky

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<v Speaker 1>and propulsive beat that took the song in a totally

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<v Speaker 1>different direction. Tina, who was dating Chris, listened as the

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<v Speaker 1>guys tried to come up with a bridge. She offered

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<v Speaker 1>to write something in French, seeing as she was fluent,

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<v Speaker 1>and soon the song was done. Tina grew up taking

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<v Speaker 1>music lessons, but at the time she hadn't even picked

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<v Speaker 1>up a bass yet. Even now, in nineteen seventy seven,

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<v Speaker 1>only been playing for a year and a half. That

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<v Speaker 1>was another thing bothering David. After finally signing with Sire

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<v Speaker 1>Records in November, Talking Head's debut album was going to

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<v Speaker 1>make or break. If it succeeded, it could launch him

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<v Speaker 1>into a long career in music. If it flopped, you

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<v Speaker 1>might not get another shot. Was it really wise to

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<v Speaker 1>trust their sound to such an inexperienced player. Maybe Tina

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<v Speaker 1>was the problem, or maybe the problem was Tony bon Gioviy. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>that's first cousin to mister living on a Prayer, John

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<v Speaker 1>bon Jovi, who in nineteen seventy seven was already a

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<v Speaker 1>big time producer. Jimmy Hendrix, Gloria Gaynor, and most importantly,

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<v Speaker 1>Tony Bonjioviy produced two Dynamics Soaring albums for the ramones

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<v Speaker 1>seymour Stein thought that Tony bon Gioviy would be a

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<v Speaker 1>perfect fit for the Talking Head's debut. From the start, however,

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<v Speaker 1>it was not a perfect fit. It was a badfit.

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<v Speaker 1>Tony didn't understand the band's sound. He was dismissive about

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<v Speaker 1>Tina's playing, he hated David singing, and he spent most

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<v Speaker 1>of his time bragging about his new private jet. He

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<v Speaker 1>read airplane magazines while the band recorded, and he left

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<v Speaker 1>sessions to oversee the creation of the power station studio

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<v Speaker 1>he was building in Hell's kitchen. When he did pay attention,

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<v Speaker 1>his attempts to drop knowledge off and backfired. Like right now,

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<v Speaker 1>the studio was silent as the playback ended. Everyone in

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<v Speaker 1>the room knew that the vocals were all wrong. Tony

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<v Speaker 1>casually put down the Airplane magazine and he took off

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<v Speaker 1>his shades and walked out of the room. When he

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<v Speaker 1>returned from the studio small kitchen, he was holding an

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<v Speaker 1>eight inch long butcher knife. He walked up to David

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<v Speaker 1>and placed the knife in his hand. Look, Tony said,

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<v Speaker 1>you're a psycho killer right, It's time to get into character.

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<v Speaker 1>It couldn't be more clear that Tony didn't understand the

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<v Speaker 1>song at all. He wanted David to scream soulfully like

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<v Speaker 1>Al Green, instead of delivering a cold monotone like Lou Reed.

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<v Speaker 1>He wanted a novelty song. The song wasn't a joke.

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<v Speaker 1>This was David's life. If they didn't get it right

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<v Speaker 1>this go round, there would not be another. David looked

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<v Speaker 1>down at the knife in his hand, and the anger

0:16:27.160 --> 0:16:30.440
<v Speaker 1>boiled up inside of him. He felt like a dog,

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<v Speaker 1>an animal. He wanted a lunge at Tony, gouge the

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<v Speaker 1>producer's eyes out, to plunge the knife into his fucking chest.

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<v Speaker 1>Do it. The voice inside him screamed, do it. No

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<v Speaker 1>he said to himself as much as he said to Tony,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think we're going to do that. Then he

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<v Speaker 1>handed back the knife and stormed out of the room.

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<v Speaker 1>While David Byrne was trying to channel a psycho killer

0:16:58.480 --> 0:17:02.120
<v Speaker 1>in Manhattan, of Queens and the Bronx were becoming aware

0:17:02.160 --> 0:17:05.439
<v Speaker 1>of a psycho killer prowling their neighborhood for real. The

0:17:05.440 --> 0:17:08.159
<v Speaker 1>shooting in the Bronx in July nineteen seventy six that

0:17:08.240 --> 0:17:11.359
<v Speaker 1>killed eighteen year old Donna Laia and wounded her nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>year old friend, Jody Valenti was reported with a meager

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<v Speaker 1>two paragraph mentioned in the Long Island Press. Similar attacks

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<v Speaker 1>in October in November garnered a few more articles, but

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<v Speaker 1>nothing like the headlines that David Berkowitz expected. In a

0:17:26.880 --> 0:17:30.119
<v Speaker 1>city with over fifteen hundred homicides a year, it was

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<v Speaker 1>hard to break through, but David Berkowitz did breakthrough, specifically

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<v Speaker 1>at about seven thirty pm on March eighth, nineteen seventy seven,

0:17:41.359 --> 0:17:44.399
<v Speaker 1>when he approached a nineteen year old Columbia student walking

0:17:44.440 --> 0:17:48.800
<v Speaker 1>home in Queen's the books that Virginia of Oscar Richian carried.

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<v Speaker 1>He couldn't stop the slug from David Berkowitz's gun. She

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<v Speaker 1>held the books up to try and shield the inevitable,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was no use. David shot her point blank

0:17:59.240 --> 0:18:02.639
<v Speaker 1>in the mouth. Virginia's body collapsed in a heap on

0:18:02.680 --> 0:18:05.919
<v Speaker 1>the sidewalk. David Berkowitz pulled a cap down over his

0:18:06.000 --> 0:18:09.200
<v Speaker 1>face and took off running. He left behind the thirty

0:18:09.200 --> 0:18:14.000
<v Speaker 1>five dollars in Virginia's purse. This was the murder that

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<v Speaker 1>compelled New York City Mayor A Beam to hold a

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<v Speaker 1>press conference in which he alerted the public that the

0:18:19.960 --> 0:18:23.960
<v Speaker 1>same weapon, a forty four Bulldog Revolver, had been used

0:18:23.960 --> 0:18:29.200
<v Speaker 1>in at least two of the recent shootings. A month later,

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<v Speaker 1>opening day at Yankee Stadium, the tabloid headlines weren't talking

0:18:33.440 --> 0:18:37.520
<v Speaker 1>about the early struggles of new right fielder Reggie Jackson. Instead,

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<v Speaker 1>the New York Post and their chief rival, the New

0:18:40.119 --> 0:18:43.919
<v Speaker 1>York Daily News were focused on yet another brutal killing.

0:18:45.359 --> 0:18:49.320
<v Speaker 1>David Berkowitz was crouching in the shadows, watching a couple

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<v Speaker 1>as they kissed in a parked car. He felt for

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<v Speaker 1>the letter in his jacket pocket, the one he'd written

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<v Speaker 1>earlier that day. It was addressed to NYPD Sergeant Joseph Barelli,

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<v Speaker 1>who was leading the investigation into the killings, killings in

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<v Speaker 1>which David Berkowitz was the sole perpetrator, as well as

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<v Speaker 1>the sole person to know this fact. He continued to

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<v Speaker 1>watch the couple make out in their car like a

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<v Speaker 1>man watching a dirty movie alone in a darkened theater.

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<v Speaker 1>And then he pulled that big forty four caliber handgown

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<v Speaker 1>from a bag that gave him purpose. The interior light

0:19:24.000 --> 0:19:26.600
<v Speaker 1>in the car went out, and the couple's heads were

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<v Speaker 1>silhouetted by the residual glow of a nearby street light.

0:19:30.359 --> 0:19:33.960
<v Speaker 1>And they were so unaware, so happy, they should have

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<v Speaker 1>been terrified. David made his approach, slowed his New York

0:19:38.880 --> 0:19:41.920
<v Speaker 1>power walk to a crawl. He could hear them now,

0:19:42.600 --> 0:19:48.080
<v Speaker 1>their moans, ecstasy, heavy, petty. The sounds gave him confidence.

0:19:48.960 --> 0:19:53.800
<v Speaker 1>No wild shots, tonight, no missus. He dropped to his knee,

0:19:54.119 --> 0:20:00.520
<v Speaker 1>braced his arm and aimed this happy couple would feel pain.

0:20:01.560 --> 0:20:05.800
<v Speaker 1>He fired four bullets. Each one found its target. His

0:20:05.960 --> 0:20:10.399
<v Speaker 1>victims slumped in their seats, dead or nearly so. He

0:20:10.440 --> 0:20:12.679
<v Speaker 1>calmly pulled the letter from his pocket and dropped it

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<v Speaker 1>in the car before turning to leave. The citizens of

0:20:16.160 --> 0:20:19.600
<v Speaker 1>New York City didn't fear him, not yet. They called

0:20:19.640 --> 0:20:22.000
<v Speaker 1>him a killer, but they had no idea that he

0:20:22.080 --> 0:20:25.520
<v Speaker 1>was so much more. He was the son of evil.

0:20:25.880 --> 0:20:28.840
<v Speaker 1>He was the son of the devil. He was the

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<v Speaker 1>son of Sam, which is exactly what the letter said.

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<v Speaker 1>The cops tried to keep the letter a secret from

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<v Speaker 1>the press, but the Daily News managed to bribe someone,

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<v Speaker 1>and the very next day, the paper ran the full

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<v Speaker 1>text of the letter, along with a massive, bold face

0:20:47.080 --> 0:20:51.200
<v Speaker 1>headline that read killer to cops, I'll do it again.

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<v Speaker 1>That headline caught the eye of many New Yorkers, including

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<v Speaker 1>David Byrne, who spotted the paper as he stepped out

0:20:59.640 --> 0:21:03.520
<v Speaker 1>of Sun Dragon's studios. As he read the article, he

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<v Speaker 1>was struck by the letter's cold, detached tone. These weren't

0:21:07.560 --> 0:21:10.240
<v Speaker 1>the words of a lunatic waving a knife around in public.

0:21:10.840 --> 0:21:12.760
<v Speaker 1>They were the words of a man who blended in,

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<v Speaker 1>who wouldn't be noticed until he struck. When David Byrne

0:21:18.400 --> 0:21:22.200
<v Speaker 1>returned to the studio, he ran into engineer Ed Stasium.

0:21:22.960 --> 0:21:26.480
<v Speaker 1>He confessed to Ed that he was beyond uncomfortable singing

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<v Speaker 1>in front of Tony. Ed suggested they wait for the

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<v Speaker 1>producer to clear out for the day and then finish

0:21:32.320 --> 0:21:35.679
<v Speaker 1>the vocals when he wasn't around, which is exactly what

0:21:35.720 --> 0:21:40.200
<v Speaker 1>they did. They pieced together Psychokiller behind their producer's back

0:21:40.960 --> 0:21:45.320
<v Speaker 1>while Tony talked about Tina's playing ed. The engineer reassured

0:21:45.400 --> 0:21:47.719
<v Speaker 1>David and the rest of the band that her bassline

0:21:47.800 --> 0:21:53.560
<v Speaker 1>absolutely made the song and that she was impossible to replace. Eventually,

0:21:54.320 --> 0:21:58.080
<v Speaker 1>David Byrne found ways to relax, to bring the excitement

0:21:58.119 --> 0:22:02.080
<v Speaker 1>of the band's live performances to the cold, isolated vocal booth.

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<v Speaker 1>The psycho Killer was taking shape. Eight or nine other

0:22:07.160 --> 0:22:10.440
<v Speaker 1>songs were close behind, but now the band was going

0:22:10.480 --> 0:22:13.639
<v Speaker 1>to have to push pause on the recording. In three days,

0:22:13.680 --> 0:22:16.359
<v Speaker 1>they were boarding a plane to England. The band was

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<v Speaker 1>going on tour with The Ramones. So while David Byrne

0:22:21.240 --> 0:22:24.680
<v Speaker 1>worked on building a buzz for his band's debut album Abroad,

0:22:25.359 --> 0:22:28.040
<v Speaker 1>David Berkowitz worked on a project that would land him

0:22:28.040 --> 0:22:31.879
<v Speaker 1>more headlines back home. His letter to the Cops was

0:22:31.920 --> 0:22:36.520
<v Speaker 1>a success. It massively increased the news coverage of his killings,

0:22:37.280 --> 0:22:40.239
<v Speaker 1>and now the son of Sam was working feverishly on

0:22:40.280 --> 0:22:46.040
<v Speaker 1>a follow up, something bigger, longer, more ornate. He took

0:22:46.080 --> 0:22:49.520
<v Speaker 1>his time writing it, he worked carefully on the calligraphy,

0:22:50.000 --> 0:22:54.919
<v Speaker 1>the layout. It was a killer press release, or should

0:22:54.920 --> 0:22:58.119
<v Speaker 1>I say a press release for a killer, which is

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<v Speaker 1>why Berkowitz sent it to a Jimmy Breslin, the lead

0:23:02.440 --> 0:23:06.320
<v Speaker 1>calumnist for the New York Daily News, and like any

0:23:06.359 --> 0:23:11.320
<v Speaker 1>good press release, it promoted an event, another killing to

0:23:11.359 --> 0:23:15.439
<v Speaker 1>come in July, on the one year anniversary of the

0:23:15.440 --> 0:23:26.439
<v Speaker 1>Son of Sam's first shooting. We'll be right back after this.

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<v Speaker 1>We're We're, We're. July nineteen seventy seven. New York's brutal

0:23:39.119 --> 0:23:42.760
<v Speaker 1>heat wave seemed to be never ending. Ditto for the

0:23:42.840 --> 0:23:46.040
<v Speaker 1>rotting garbage piled in the streets the result of a

0:23:46.119 --> 0:23:50.080
<v Speaker 1>sanitation worker strike. If that didn't put you on edge,

0:23:50.520 --> 0:23:53.280
<v Speaker 1>then knowing that psychos Son of Sam was still out

0:23:53.320 --> 0:23:57.800
<v Speaker 1>there did. Some days, it seemed like the only bright

0:23:57.840 --> 0:24:01.000
<v Speaker 1>spot in the city was the New York yan who

0:24:01.000 --> 0:24:03.280
<v Speaker 1>were starting to rise to the top of the American

0:24:03.359 --> 0:24:06.480
<v Speaker 1>League East standings just a few days before the All

0:24:06.520 --> 0:24:11.280
<v Speaker 1>Star break. Yankee Stadium was dark tonight, though with the

0:24:11.280 --> 0:24:14.400
<v Speaker 1>Bronx Bombers on the road, but across town in Queens

0:24:14.920 --> 0:24:17.240
<v Speaker 1>Shay Stadium was lit up with the Mets and the

0:24:17.320 --> 0:24:20.320
<v Speaker 1>Chicago Cubs. Heading into the bottom of the sixth inning,

0:24:21.560 --> 0:24:23.840
<v Speaker 1>you could almost see the stadium lights from the roof

0:24:23.880 --> 0:24:26.639
<v Speaker 1>of the Long Island City loft that David Byrne shared

0:24:26.680 --> 0:24:31.119
<v Speaker 1>with Tina Weymouth and Chris France. David wasn't looking towards

0:24:31.119 --> 0:24:34.520
<v Speaker 1>Shay Stadium, though, he was looking out across the East

0:24:34.600 --> 0:24:39.359
<v Speaker 1>River at the buildings of Manhattan. The next day, in

0:24:39.400 --> 0:24:42.640
<v Speaker 1>one of those buildings, he and his bandmates would head

0:24:42.680 --> 0:24:45.200
<v Speaker 1>to Sun Dragon and put the final touches on their

0:24:45.280 --> 0:24:50.520
<v Speaker 1>debut album. Despite the heat, everyone was at a celebratory

0:24:50.600 --> 0:24:55.879
<v Speaker 1>mood Hamburgers and chickens sizzled on a barbecue grill, Glasses clinked,

0:24:56.400 --> 0:24:59.160
<v Speaker 1>friends down cold beer and white wine as the group

0:24:59.240 --> 0:25:04.320
<v Speaker 1>toasted the complete of their record. David Byrne, however, stood alone.

0:25:05.160 --> 0:25:08.800
<v Speaker 1>His stomach was in knots and the album was nearly done,

0:25:09.400 --> 0:25:13.960
<v Speaker 1>and that thought was pure agony. What if the record flopped?

0:25:14.640 --> 0:25:17.320
<v Speaker 1>What if radio programmers refused to play it because they

0:25:17.359 --> 0:25:19.800
<v Speaker 1>thought it was punk and not new wave, as seymour

0:25:19.840 --> 0:25:23.120
<v Speaker 1>Stein was insisting, what if they never got to make

0:25:23.160 --> 0:25:29.080
<v Speaker 1>another record? Suddenly, David watched from the roof as an

0:25:29.320 --> 0:25:33.960
<v Speaker 1>entire city block went dark, like someone had flipped off

0:25:33.960 --> 0:25:39.600
<v Speaker 1>a giant power switch, then another, then another. Everyone at

0:25:39.600 --> 0:25:42.399
<v Speaker 1>the party was pointing across the river as Midtown and

0:25:42.520 --> 0:25:47.080
<v Speaker 1>downtown also went dark. They watched as the entire city

0:25:47.560 --> 0:25:54.440
<v Speaker 1>was plunged into darkness. New York finally snapped. The heat,

0:25:54.800 --> 0:25:59.880
<v Speaker 1>the trash, the fear, and now no electricity. Enough was enough.

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<v Speaker 1>From Brooklyn to the Bronx, people flooded the streets to

0:26:03.240 --> 0:26:07.640
<v Speaker 1>vent their frustration. They lift fires, smashed store windows. It

0:26:07.680 --> 0:26:11.920
<v Speaker 1>was absolute pandemonium. The cops were already stretched to the

0:26:11.960 --> 0:26:14.879
<v Speaker 1>breaking point with the Son of Sam manhunt. As the

0:26:15.000 --> 0:26:19.159
<v Speaker 1>rioting spread, they were outnumbered and exhausted. They struggled to

0:26:19.200 --> 0:26:21.600
<v Speaker 1>restore order. As the sun came up the next morning,

0:26:22.480 --> 0:26:25.639
<v Speaker 1>thick smoke filled the air throughout Queen's as police and

0:26:25.720 --> 0:26:30.800
<v Speaker 1>looters engaged in the street battle. Talking heads were huddled

0:26:30.800 --> 0:26:35.480
<v Speaker 1>around a small television, watching in horror as all this unfolded,

0:26:36.200 --> 0:26:39.360
<v Speaker 1>knowing that there was a very real possibility that their

0:26:39.400 --> 0:26:42.439
<v Speaker 1>recording studio could be one of those buildings being looted.

0:26:43.560 --> 0:26:50.439
<v Speaker 1>Twenty five hours passed, twenty five long hours. Finally the

0:26:50.560 --> 0:26:54.680
<v Speaker 1>power came back on the phone at the band's loft

0:26:54.800 --> 0:26:59.520
<v Speaker 1>rang it was ed stasium at the studio and everything,

0:26:59.720 --> 0:27:07.240
<v Speaker 1>thanks was fine, the tapes were safe. As David Byrne

0:27:07.280 --> 0:27:10.600
<v Speaker 1>and Talking Heads completed the final mix of their debut album,

0:27:10.760 --> 0:27:14.600
<v Speaker 1>David Berkowitz was contemplating his own final plan as he

0:27:14.680 --> 0:27:19.320
<v Speaker 1>clung to a doorframe in a tiny, dank bathroom. Outside,

0:27:19.920 --> 0:27:23.119
<v Speaker 1>he could hear the dog pacing back and forth. He

0:27:23.240 --> 0:27:27.160
<v Speaker 1>was terrified. Now that it had his attention, he knew

0:27:27.200 --> 0:27:30.480
<v Speaker 1>that he would have to do its bidding. From the

0:27:30.480 --> 0:27:34.040
<v Speaker 1>window of his tiny apartment in Yonkers, he looked outside

0:27:34.600 --> 0:27:36.879
<v Speaker 1>in the yard below. He could see the big black

0:27:36.920 --> 0:27:40.800
<v Speaker 1>dog staring at him. Its eyes were almost human. It

0:27:40.880 --> 0:27:43.639
<v Speaker 1>was barking, It was snarling. It looked like it was

0:27:43.680 --> 0:27:47.480
<v Speaker 1>about to start screaming at him. You fucking loser, you

0:27:47.680 --> 0:27:50.920
<v Speaker 1>pathetic piece of shit. The world hates it. Why don't

0:27:50.920 --> 0:27:54.280
<v Speaker 1>you just dieing worm? Do it? Do it now? Sam

0:27:54.400 --> 0:27:57.040
<v Speaker 1>is hung with Sam wants to hunt. Get out there

0:27:57.119 --> 0:28:02.679
<v Speaker 1>and kill, kill kill. David covered his ears, but he

0:28:02.680 --> 0:28:05.640
<v Speaker 1>couldn't drown it out. He grabbed a small rifle from

0:28:05.640 --> 0:28:08.560
<v Speaker 1>the couch and threw open the window. He fired wildly

0:28:08.640 --> 0:28:11.040
<v Speaker 1>at the dog below as it ran wimpword back home.

0:28:14.680 --> 0:28:20.680
<v Speaker 1>August nineteen seventy seven, despite a massive police manhunt, David

0:28:20.720 --> 0:28:25.119
<v Speaker 1>Berkowitz had successfully killed again, a year almost to the

0:28:25.200 --> 0:28:28.920
<v Speaker 1>day from his first shooting. No one is saved from

0:28:29.000 --> 0:28:32.800
<v Speaker 1>son of Sam, declared the New York Post Daily News.

0:28:32.840 --> 0:28:35.840
<v Speaker 1>Calm Miss Jimmy Breslin pleaded with the killer to surrender

0:28:35.840 --> 0:28:37.919
<v Speaker 1>in an issue of the paper that sold over a

0:28:38.000 --> 0:28:45.080
<v Speaker 1>million copies. Nightclubs were empty, lover's lanes were deserted. David

0:28:45.120 --> 0:28:47.800
<v Speaker 1>Berkowitz had achieved the type of fame a guy like

0:28:47.920 --> 0:28:53.400
<v Speaker 1>David Byrne could only dream of. With his immortality assured,

0:28:54.040 --> 0:28:56.680
<v Speaker 1>David Berkowitz was now planning to go out with a

0:28:56.760 --> 0:29:00.320
<v Speaker 1>bang head to a nightclub just like the Peach and

0:29:00.360 --> 0:29:04.840
<v Speaker 1>knew Rochelle and lay waste the entire crowd, all the

0:29:04.920 --> 0:29:09.920
<v Speaker 1>party girls in leisure suit wearing guys, machio fucos, all

0:29:10.000 --> 0:29:13.240
<v Speaker 1>those people who pushed him around, who ignored him, who

0:29:13.280 --> 0:29:15.960
<v Speaker 1>made fun of him. He was going to kill them all,

0:29:16.600 --> 0:29:18.680
<v Speaker 1>and if the cops didn't shoot him first, and he

0:29:18.680 --> 0:29:22.880
<v Speaker 1>would end it himself right there in the nightclub, blood

0:29:23.680 --> 0:29:27.640
<v Speaker 1>all over the dance floor. He already had one gun

0:29:27.640 --> 0:29:31.480
<v Speaker 1>in his yellow Ford Galaxy. Now he loaded his familiar

0:29:31.520 --> 0:29:34.920
<v Speaker 1>forty four caliber bulldog with fresh bullets and placed it

0:29:34.960 --> 0:29:37.880
<v Speaker 1>in a brown paper bag. He was ready to hunt,

0:29:38.880 --> 0:29:42.400
<v Speaker 1>and it was just before ten pm. He walked down

0:29:42.440 --> 0:29:46.120
<v Speaker 1>the steps from his apartment. Outside, there was no one

0:29:46.480 --> 0:29:49.120
<v Speaker 1>who was pitch black, and with the help of a

0:29:49.160 --> 0:29:51.560
<v Speaker 1>dim street light at the end of the block, he

0:29:51.560 --> 0:29:55.360
<v Speaker 1>could make out his car. He walked quickly toward the vehicle.

0:29:56.120 --> 0:29:57.960
<v Speaker 1>He pulled out his key and slid it into the

0:29:58.000 --> 0:30:01.800
<v Speaker 1>lock of the driver's side, and he heard footsteps approaching

0:30:01.880 --> 0:30:05.120
<v Speaker 1>quickly from behind. He turned around to see an NYPD

0:30:05.240 --> 0:30:08.360
<v Speaker 1>detective running toward him, gun drawn. Two more cops were

0:30:08.400 --> 0:30:11.320
<v Speaker 1>approaching from the other side. He dropped the brown paper

0:30:11.360 --> 0:30:13.480
<v Speaker 1>bag to the ground and stuck his hands in the air.

0:30:14.440 --> 0:30:16.640
<v Speaker 1>Then he slumped his shoulders and looked at the ground.

0:30:17.920 --> 0:30:23.040
<v Speaker 1>Well you got me, the cop asked him. Who in

0:30:23.080 --> 0:30:27.880
<v Speaker 1>the hell did he have? Exactly I'm Sam, he said

0:30:28.400 --> 0:30:35.680
<v Speaker 1>David Berkowitz. The next morning, August eleventh, nineteen seventy seven,

0:30:36.160 --> 0:30:39.560
<v Speaker 1>the headline of the New York Post read Caught. It

0:30:39.680 --> 0:30:43.760
<v Speaker 1>sold one point two million copies, almost twice the paper's

0:30:43.760 --> 0:30:47.680
<v Speaker 1>normal circulation. The New York Daily News responded with their

0:30:47.720 --> 0:30:51.520
<v Speaker 1>own breathless coverage of the arrest and arraignment, the papers

0:30:51.520 --> 0:30:55.080
<v Speaker 1>could only hope for a lengthy trial, but instead, David

0:30:55.080 --> 0:30:59.280
<v Speaker 1>Berkowitz confessed the next day. Although it would be months

0:30:59.320 --> 0:31:03.520
<v Speaker 1>before he was finally sentenced. For New Yorkers, the long

0:31:03.600 --> 0:31:22.360
<v Speaker 1>and terrifying summer of the Psycho Killer was finally over.

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<v Speaker 1>I throw a parking ticket. That's all it took. After

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<v Speaker 1>a reign of terror that lasted more than a year,

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<v Speaker 1>left six people dead and another seven seriously wounded. It

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<v Speaker 1>was a parking ticket that finally did David Berkowitz in

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<v Speaker 1>in the early morning of July thirty first, nineteen seventy seven,

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<v Speaker 1>just moments before we shot and killed Stacy Moskowitz and

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<v Speaker 1>wounded Robert Volente as they sat in a car in Brooklyn.

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<v Speaker 1>David Berkowitz's own car was ticketed for parking too close

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<v Speaker 1>to a fire hydrant, and eye witnessed later told police

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<v Speaker 1>she saw a young man snatch a ticket off his

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<v Speaker 1>windshield and glare at her, just moments before she heard

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<v Speaker 1>shots ring out. Eventually, that ticket led police to the

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<v Speaker 1>yellow Ford Galaxy owned by David Burkowitz, and when they

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<v Speaker 1>found it parked outside his apartment in Yonkers, it had

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<v Speaker 1>a gun laying in the back seat and another letter

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<v Speaker 1>to police detailing his grim final plan. But just because

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<v Speaker 1>David Berkowitz was finally jailed didn't mean the press coverage

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<v Speaker 1>cooled off. If anything, it intensified. Papers jockeyed for access

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<v Speaker 1>seeking explanations for how this could have happened. The New

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<v Speaker 1>York Daily News blamed the LSD that David Berkowitz took

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<v Speaker 1>as a soldier in Korea. Even the gray Lady of

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<v Speaker 1>the local press, The New York Times, reported breathlessly on

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<v Speaker 1>theories that David Berkowitz may have acted together with the

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<v Speaker 1>sons of Sam Carr. The literal sons of Sam. Sam

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<v Speaker 1>Carr was the neighbor who owned the black lab that

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<v Speaker 1>David Burkowitz claimed had ordered him to kill. Stories like

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<v Speaker 1>that only increased after both brothers died violent deaths in

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<v Speaker 1>the two years following Berkowitz's arrest. On Friday September sixteenth,

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<v Speaker 1>the New York Mets finally completed the game against the

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<v Speaker 1>Chicago Cubs that had been postponed by the blackout, and

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<v Speaker 1>that same day, Talking Head's debut album, also delayed by

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<v Speaker 1>the blackout, was finally released. The Psycho Killer was the

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<v Speaker 1>first single, Seymour Stein's new wave marketing strategy worked perfectly

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<v Speaker 1>for a band of clean cut art school students. They

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<v Speaker 1>didn't look like punks, they didn't sound like punks. They

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<v Speaker 1>were the vanguard of an entirely new sound, and by

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<v Speaker 1>the following spring, David Burkowitz was found legally sane and

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<v Speaker 1>sentenced to twenty five years to life, Thanks in no

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<v Speaker 1>small part to the publicity around the case. Around that

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<v Speaker 1>same time, the talking single Psycho Killer snuck onto the

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<v Speaker 1>Billboard Hot one hundred for a five week run, peaking

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<v Speaker 1>at number ninety two. It was a hit, just barely,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was enough of a hit to guarantee the

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<v Speaker 1>band a second album on Sire. They made the most

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<v Speaker 1>of it. Learning from previous experience, they lined up Brian Eno,

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<v Speaker 1>formerly of the band Roxy Music and at the time

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<v Speaker 1>one of David Bowie's musical collaborators, to produce their next record.

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<v Speaker 1>Finally working with someone who was on their wavelength, the

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<v Speaker 1>band ditched the standard studio practices of recording in isolation. Instead,

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<v Speaker 1>they played together in the same room, allowing them to

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<v Speaker 1>harness the energy of their set in the recording studio.

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<v Speaker 1>Brian Eno rode the rhythm section of Tina Weymouth and

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<v Speaker 1>Chris Franz, as he pushed the band into a funkier,

0:34:51.000 --> 0:34:56.640
<v Speaker 1>more stylistically diverse sound. Their second album, More Songs About

0:34:56.719 --> 0:34:59.359
<v Speaker 1>Buildings and Food, went all the way up to number

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<v Speaker 1>twenty nine, largely powered by their Cold Detached, an incredibly

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<v Speaker 1>funky cover of Al Green's Take Me to the River.

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<v Speaker 1>The band worked with Brian Eno for three albums in total,

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<v Speaker 1>including one of their many masterpieces, Remain in Light. Over

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<v Speaker 1>the years, David Byrne and Brian Eno continued to collaborate

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<v Speaker 1>on more award winning albums and projects, including My Life

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<v Speaker 1>in the Bush of Ghosts in twenty eighteen's American Utopia,

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<v Speaker 1>which charted higher than any Talking Heads album ever did.

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<v Speaker 1>The power of art is an incredible thing. It took

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<v Speaker 1>an awkward college dropout and gave him an outlet, a

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<v Speaker 1>way to communicate, a way to connect to c and

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<v Speaker 1>to be seen, and it made him a star. Without art,

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<v Speaker 1>who knows where David Byrne would have ended up. David Berkowitz,

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<v Speaker 1>on the other hand, found no such connection, no outlet

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<v Speaker 1>for his rage, for his pain, and because of that,

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<v Speaker 1>he inflicted that rage and that pain on the world

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<v Speaker 1>around him. It's enough to make you wonder if he

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<v Speaker 1>had found his place, could this have been stopped? Could

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<v Speaker 1>those lives have been saved? Could it all have turned

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<v Speaker 1>out differently with another chance? Could David Berkowitz have turned

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<v Speaker 1>out like David Byrne? Or was David Berkowitz simply destined

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<v Speaker 1>for evil, for violence, for disgrace. I'm Jake Brennan and

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