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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Sabor production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: I'm Anny Reece and I'm Lauren vocal Baum, and today

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Speaker 2: we have an episode for you about avocados. Yeah, yay,

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Speaker 2: avocados delicious.

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Speaker 1: Delicious and complicated. There's a reason we put them off

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Speaker 1: until the end. Oh yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: We were always kind of like, maybe we'll get to

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Speaker 2: that a day that we have like extra days to

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Speaker 2: do extra reading, and that has never happened until now.

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Speaker 1: No, no, and forever ago we were supposed to go

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Speaker 1: to like a conference about avocados, like an early.

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Speaker 2: Early Oh yeah, oh I don't even remember that one.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I remember because I was panicking about it slightly.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, Well, was there any particular reason this was

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Speaker 1: on your mind, Lauren?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been on the list for forever. It's one

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Speaker 2: of the things we definitely wanted to cover. And also,

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Speaker 2: I mean, right now is a really good season for avocados.

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Speaker 2: I've just been they've been inexpensive, they have.

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Speaker 1: Been really good quality.

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Speaker 2: One of my very favorite kind of like easy lunches

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Speaker 2: is maybe if I have some like leftover brown rice,

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Speaker 2: I'll throw it in. But basically just like take an avocado,

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Speaker 2: take a good like honey mango kind of situation. Chop

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Speaker 2: both up and eat that and just eat that, just

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Speaker 2: put them in a bowl together, maybe maybe add some

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Speaker 2: like hardy cake or hot sauce or something and just

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Speaker 2: consume that.

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Speaker 1: And that's so nice. Yeah, that is nice. I love avocado.

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Speaker 1: I think I can eat it like I usually will

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Speaker 1: just make the simplest form of glacka where I just

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Speaker 1: smush smush it together with salt and garlic and lime

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Speaker 1: and cilantro and that's it, and I'll just eat it.

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Speaker 2: Nothing else, nothing else, like not on toat, like you're

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Speaker 2: not making avocado toast, like you're.

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Speaker 1: Just yep, yes, by the spoon. But I do like

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Speaker 1: that it has the pit, so if you take out

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Speaker 1: the pit, you've got kind of that divet you can

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Speaker 1: put something in. So I used to put like my

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Speaker 1: version of a chicken salad or something in there. Oh cute, yeah, rush,

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Speaker 1: so good. They're a really nice fruit. They're very delicious.

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Speaker 1: Do you still have didn't you have an avocado tree?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I did.

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Speaker 2: Used to have two avocado trees, and now I have one.

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Speaker 2: They're technically my roommate's avocado tree singular. And during we

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Speaker 2: had like an interesting moving process over the last five years.

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Speaker 2: But one of them has in fact survived. It's really

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Speaker 2: hanging in there. It has never flowered, let alone fruit.

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Speaker 2: But it's a good buddy.

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Speaker 1: I enjoy it. Yeah, and you never know. Yeah, episode

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Speaker 1: is gonna shine some light on Yeah.

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Speaker 2: They do take a They do take their sweet time

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Speaker 2: to figure out the fruiting process and to be so.

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Speaker 2: Oh I'm not totally sure how long she's had this guy,

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Speaker 2: but we took it kind of back to zero circa

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty two, so.

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Speaker 1: A reset, a reset.

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Speaker 2: So it could take another, you know, two to ten

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Speaker 2: years for it to decide it wants to flower.

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Speaker 1: The avocado tree does what it wants as it will.

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Speaker 1: It moves within its own time. Yes, we must respect that.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, m hm, Well I want updates, Lord.

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Speaker 2: I shall send them.

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Speaker 1: Excellent. I guess this does bring us to our question. Sure, avocados,

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Speaker 1: what are they? Well?

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Speaker 2: An avocado is a type of oily fruit with a

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Speaker 2: creamy yellowish green flesh encased in a thin, inedible, leathery

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Speaker 2: like greenish brown to black purple skin. They are roundish

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Speaker 2: usually about small fist sized with a large pit in

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Speaker 2: the center. They have this kind of mild nutty, slightly

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Speaker 2: fruity green woodsy sort of flavor and are really prized

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Speaker 2: for that buttery texture. There to eaten fresh and in

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Speaker 2: mostly savory applications, like sliced into saucy dishes or salads

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Speaker 2: or smashed into thick spreads or just spooned out of

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Speaker 2: a bowl at that point, but also sometimes blended into

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Speaker 2: sweetened cold drinks or desserts. The fruit can also be

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Speaker 2: processed to make cooking oil avocados. Avocados are like tree butter.

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Speaker 2: No like like like tree.

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Speaker 1: Ghee tree ghee, tree ghee very good, Lord, I like

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Speaker 1: it a lot, and I love avocados.

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Speaker 2: It fits yeah, okay. Botanical name Persia americana. The avocado

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Speaker 2: plant is a subtropical to tropical evergreen tree in the

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Speaker 2: Laurel family, meaning it's related to things like cinnamon, bay

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Speaker 2: leaves and sassafras. It has like broad, glossy dark green

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Speaker 2: It can reach some sixty feet tall that's about twenty meters,

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Speaker 2: but is often like half that or shorter. There are

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Speaker 2: three main groups of avocado varieties. The so called West

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Speaker 2: Indian varieties tend to be larger, with smoother scent, with

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Speaker 2: smoother skin. I say so called West Indian because I

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Speaker 2: really hate the term West Indies. If someone wants to

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Speaker 2: say that about themselves or their area, that's cool. I

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Speaker 2: think that people who are not from there probably shouldn't

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Speaker 2: use that phrase anymore. But that was the botanical one

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Speaker 2: that I ran across, so here we are anyway. Mexican varieties, meanwhile,

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Speaker 2: are smaller with smoother skin, and Guatemalin varieties are smaller

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Speaker 2: with a more pebbled, thicker skin. Lots of cultivars do

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Speaker 2: come from a combination of these groups, though, So if

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Speaker 2: you're looking at a particular avocado and you're like, it

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Speaker 2: doesn't really fit any of those three that she just said.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, could be a combination of all. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that avocado.

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Speaker 2: It's true, Avocado trees will bloom with these big, spindily

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Speaker 2: clusters of like tiny white to yellow green flowers, which,

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Speaker 2: if pollinated, mic grow fruit. Apparently, only zero point one

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Speaker 2: percent of flowers will actually fruit. Also, lots of varieties

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Speaker 2: only fruit well, like every other year. This is partially

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Speaker 2: because they are so slow growing. So an avocado fruit

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Speaker 2: will start out as this like leathery, little green globe

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Speaker 2: that writes slowly, slowly grows in matures over the course

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Speaker 2: of about ten months. They will not ripen on the tree.

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Speaker 2: After they're picked, some enzymes in the fruit will kick in,

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Speaker 2: and then they will start ripening and getting softer. They're

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Speaker 2: soft enough to be super tasty without getting over ripe.

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Speaker 2: starting to get eaten by microbes for a notoriously brief

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Speaker 2: period of time. It's like more a vibe than a

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Speaker 2: repeatable science. But an unripe avocado will still be firm

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Speaker 2: at the stem end, like if you kind of poke

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Speaker 2: where the stem used to be, It'll be firm, it'll

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Speaker 2: be tender, sort of like touching the tip of a

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Speaker 2: finger when it's ready, and it will be soft and

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Speaker 2: mushy when it's over ripe. Some avocado varieties do stay

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Speaker 2: green when they ripe in and some turn purplish black.

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Speaker 2: More on that in the history section, and furthermore, if

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Speaker 2: you have ever thought to yourself, gee, I am stressed

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Speaker 2: out about avocado ripeness. I promise you that the avocado

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Speaker 2: industry is way more stressed, Like they work real hard

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Speaker 2: to get avocado's peak maturity and then through our food

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Speaker 2: infrastructure to you before they are ripe, because again, once

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Speaker 2: can install this for a couple of days by putting

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Speaker 2: them in the fridge. And you can speed up ripening

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Speaker 2: by putting them in a paper bag at room temperature

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Speaker 2: to contain the gas off enzymes that help the fruit soften.

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Speaker 2: they're adding those enzymes to the bag. Do not microwave avocados.

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Speaker 2: That does not ripen them. That cooks them, and there

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Speaker 2: are reasons why we generally don't cook avocados. Doesn't bring

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Speaker 2: out their best. No, no, like many of us, putting

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Speaker 2: us in the microwave would not help. By the way,

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Speaker 2: if you've ever cut open an avocado and found kind

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Speaker 2: of like tough, brownish strings running through it, that is

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Speaker 2: the fruit's vascular system, and it means that the fruit

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Speaker 2: was picked slightly past ideal maturity. It's like an unfortunate

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Speaker 2: get fruit at peak and get it to you and

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Speaker 2: do that year round just happens. Sometimes it's more likely

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Speaker 2: Also when avocados are real expensive. Yeah, sense, I'm a

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Speaker 2: expensive and therefore probably more in season. Botanically, avocados are

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Speaker 2: considered berries that have single seeds. I was sure it

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Speaker 2: would be a droup. I was so prepared for this

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Speaker 2: to be a droop y'all, you know, like a peach.

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Speaker 2: But okay, basically, even though we call the large seed

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Speaker 2: in an avocado a pit, that pit is not protected

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Speaker 2: enough like the way that you see in a peach

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Speaker 2: pit or an almond pit that like hard shell. It's

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Speaker 2: not protected enough to be considered a droup.

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Speaker 1: Always always a surprise, It's never what I think.

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Speaker 2: No, bananas are berries, Avocados are berries. Strawberries are not berries.

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Speaker 1: Here we are, oh, here we are.

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Speaker 2: Those avocado pits are not edible as such, but can

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Speaker 2: be processed in order to make like extracts for use

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Speaker 1: Cosmetics or whatever.

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Speaker 2: By the way, if you're trying to get the pit

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Speaker 2: like you can just press on the pit through the fruit,

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Speaker 2: just pop right out. You don't need to endanger your

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Speaker 1: Isn't that there's a term for that, right, avocado hands

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Speaker 1: of what? Yeah, because it's a big enough injury that

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Speaker 1: hospitals have a term for it, avocado hand.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well I didn't know that, but I'm gonna go

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Speaker 2: on and double down on what.

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Speaker 1: I just said. No, I completely agree with you. I

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Speaker 1: usually just squeeze it out, squish it a little.

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Speaker 2: It's fine, I mean, especially if you're I mean maybe

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Speaker 2: if you want like a super crisps nice Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: then be very gentle but or right yeah, yeah, scoop

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Speaker 2: around it with a spoon and then slice from there.

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Speaker 1: But safety first, always, safety first. No avocado hand here,

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Speaker 1: No avocado hand gosh.

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Speaker 2: Meanwhile, avocado oil is made from the fruit, which can

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Speaker 2: be like up to thirty percent oil by fresh weight,

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Speaker 2: which is a lot. The finished oil can be clear

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Speaker 2: of fruity flavored, depending on how it's made. Cold pressed

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Speaker 2: is what you're usually looking for if you want that

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Speaker 2: color and flavor for use in like salad dressings or cooking.

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Speaker 2: The flavor is nice in dressings, but it also has

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Speaker 2: a high smoke point, so it can be used for

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Speaker 2: high heat cooking as well.

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Speaker 1: Sort of side note.

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Speaker 2: Most of the rest of the fresh weight of an

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Speaker 2: avocado is water like, like sixty five percent, so it's

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Speaker 2: often dried before the oil is extracted. Dried avocado is

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Speaker 2: but especially going to be dried if you're going to

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Speaker 1: How does this work? Questions Questions Lauren that need to

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Speaker 2: Again, y'all write in Okay, one more festival. There's there's

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Speaker 2: There's also an avocado themed art competition with categories in

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Speaker 1: You gotta let us know you've got But in the meantime,

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Speaker 1: we do have quite a history for you.

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Speaker 2: We do, we do, and we are going to get

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Speaker 2: into that as soon as we get back from a

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Speaker 2: quick break for a word from our sponsors.

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Speaker 1: And we're back. Thank you sponsor, Yes, thank you. Okay. So,

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Speaker 1: the history of avocados is a long one. Historians believe

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Speaker 1: that they originated in Africa and then made their to

441
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Speaker 1: Mexico and Central America, or that they in fact originated

442
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Speaker 1: in meso America.

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Speaker 2: There's some argument about this one, there is, and one

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Speaker 2: of the most fascinating things about the argument is this.

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Speaker 1: Okay. So those looking into avocados have argued about how

446
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 1: the avocados spread in the early days. Normally, animals help

447
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 1: spread crops like this after consuming and defecating the seeds. However,

448
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 1: the pit of an avocado is fairly substantial, right, Like,

449
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 1: no bird is going to be swalled.

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00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:35,160
Speaker 2: I mean, very few birds would be capable of swallowing that.

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00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, so, yes exactly, meaning that the animal in question

452
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 1: would have to be quite large. So there's speculation that

453
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Speaker 1: prehistoric megafauna like mammoths would eat the entire avocado travel

454
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 1: a while poop out the seed, thus spreading the trees.

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Speaker 1: But it's sort of a mystery history situation as to

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Speaker 1: how that avocado trees revived because there's a long period

457
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Speaker 1: we don't have.

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Speaker 2: Any any information really about huh.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think that's really that's cool. You're so nerdy, like, oh,

460
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 1: mamos might have pooped out the avocado seed and that's

461
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Speaker 1: how it spread. Yeah, Oh that's great. I think it's cool.

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Speaker 1: Research suggest that as far back as ten thousand years

463
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Speaker 1: ago in modern day Central Mexico or meso America, people

464
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Speaker 1: were eating wild avocados, and that avocado cultivation, or at

465
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Speaker 1: the least the conditions allowing for it, may go back

466
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Speaker 1: at least as far to sixteen hundred BCE. Recent radiocarbon

467
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Speaker 1: dating research suggests that farmers were selecting for size and

468
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 1: thicker rines thousands of years ago.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like over seven thousand years ago. Like peoples in

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Speaker 2: the area seem to have domesticated and farmed avocados before corn.

471
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and this is like from twenty twenty five, this research. Yeah,

472
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 1: it's really cool. Yeah, yes, so look that up if

473
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 1: you want to know more. Numerous pieces of evidence out

474
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Speaker 1: of this region, from paintings to tombs, indicate that avocados

475
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 1: were significant amongst several cultures in the area. Researchers have

476
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Speaker 1: found multiple instances of using avocado as currency or part

477
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Speaker 1: of a tribute. The name comes from the Nahwat language

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Speaker 1: spoken by the indigenous peoples in parts of Mexico and

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Speaker 1: El Salvador at the time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, in a in a roundabout way, Okay, So the

481
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:43,120
Speaker 2: Nahwat word for the fruit was ahuat. The Spanish turned

482
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Speaker 2: that into alacate or aguacate, and the English turned that

483
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Speaker 2: into a mess of different things, including all vocata and

484
00:31:55,320 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 2: ago vago before an Irish naturalist by the name of

485
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Speaker 2: Sara Hans Sloan visited Jamaica and described the avocado in

486
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Speaker 2: sixteen ninety six. That's where we got avocado from. Anyway,

487
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 2: we were talking about the Nahawa word ahawact yes.

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Speaker 1: Which according to sources translates to testicle, both because of

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Speaker 1: its appearance and the fact that avocados often grew in

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Speaker 1: a drooping pair. So yeah, you're welcome for that. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It was also believed to be and say it with

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Speaker 1: me now in afrodig When the Spanish arrived in South

493
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Speaker 1: America in the fifteen hundreds, avocado consumption had spread from

494
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 1: meso America to Peru. Some Spanish accounts from this time

495
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 1: describe how delicious they found the fruit. They also relayed

496
00:32:55,480 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 1: the potential medicinal properties back to Spanish royalty. A store

497
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 1: traveling with Hernando Cortez penned the first believed written instance

498
00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 1: of avocado, generally praising it, declaring it it was great

499
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Speaker 1: with cheese, declaring that it was cheese. Yeah, I mean yeah,

500
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 1: not now. Yeah, but he also pointed out that it

501
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 1: spoiled quickly. That kind of made me laugh. More than

502
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Speaker 1: one account specifically praised the texture of avocado and buttery

503
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 1: or some form of that was thrown around a lot

504
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 1: when people were describing makes sense. Yep, as you mentioned, Lauren,

505
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: Irish naturalist Hans Sloan pinned the first known English mention

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Speaker 1: of avocado in sixteen ninety six in an index that

507
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: he did chronicling Jamaican plants. He also used the term

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Speaker 1: alligator pair, which we're going to get more into later.

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Speaker 1: A year later, English buccaneer William Dampier made the case

510
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: for avocados in England. He loved them, but despite his

511
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 1: passionate please, they mostly stayed confined to European hothouses as

512
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 1: an ornamental or a conversation piece. Yeah yeah, yeah. The

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00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 1: Spanish transported the avocado to their other colonies, especially subtropical

514
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 1: ones where the fruit might grow. They have been planted

515
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,839
Speaker 1: in Florida and Hawaii by the eighteen thirties, and by

516
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 1: the eighteen fifties they were being grown in California. The

517
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 1: first commercial avocado orchard in California was planted in nineteen

518
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Speaker 1: oh eight, though a frieze almost destroyed the crop entirely

519
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 1: in nineteen thirteen. If you want a history of avocados

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00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: in California, they have got you.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that is uh huh ye. First, a truly

522
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Speaker 2: exhaustive amount of information.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yes, so this is just just a taste and

524
00:34:53,640 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 1: a taste. Okay, so avocados. Going back to the naming business,

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00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 1: they were sometimes sold under the name Alligator pair. From

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00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 1: what I understand, that was mostly in Florida. Okay, at

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00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 1: least according to the California producers. Later we no more

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00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 1: shall we do? This in part because the Spanish name

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00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: aquacat was too difficult for Americans to pronounce, but some producers,

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00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 1: especially in California, did use it anyway. But alvocados just

531
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,760
Speaker 1: weren't getting a lot of traction for whatever the reason.

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00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 1: But advertisers suspected the name, so a group of farmers

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00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 1: growing the crop came together to form the California Avocado Society.

534
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 1: Determined to boost sales of this, they tackled the branding

535
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: problem head on, and they landed on the name avocado.

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00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:56,879
Speaker 1: Apparently they just contacted publishers of dictionaries and informed them

537
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: of the change. They were just like, to whom it

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00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 1: may concern, they're alvocados. House is the word.

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00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 2: Now you're welcome.

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00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:09,919
Speaker 1: With that done, they set about branding the avocado as

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Speaker 1: the quote aristocrat of fruit salads in a couple of

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00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 1: ads in both Vogue and The New Yorker in the

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Speaker 1: nineteen twenties. Wow, that is such a specific royalty. Yeah,

544
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 1: love it, top dog when it comes to fruit salads.

545
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:30,839
Speaker 1: And in doing this, they were really trying to paint

546
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:34,280
Speaker 1: the avocado as something almost luxurious and worth the price,

547
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 1: because they were quite pricey at the time. Oh yeah, yes.

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00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 1: And this brings us to the Haas Avocado. So around

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Speaker 1: the same time, California mailman Rudolph Haas purchased avocado seedlings,

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Speaker 1: possibly three of them, from a California farmer to plant

551
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 1: in his own grove, or was given or sold them

552
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 1: by a plant researcher with a without stipulations. Oh, there

553
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 1: are many versions of this story, Okay. In one version

554
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: he was given avocado pits out of the garbage. Anyway,

555
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 1: whatever happened here, legend goes he had one tree that

556
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 1: came out of this whole thing that just would not cooperate.

557
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 1: It wouldn't produce fruit, it wouldn't take any graphs, and

558
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 1: Has was sorely tempted to cut it down. Instead, he

559
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 1: decided to just leave it be. Eventually, his kids discovered

560
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: that fruit was growing on it, and they tried the fruit,

561
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 1: and they decided that they actually preferred these avocados compared

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00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 1: to the ones growing on the other trees. So Has

563
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 1: approached some local restaurants about it. They expressed how good

564
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 1: they thought they were. He's like, I'm onto something here,

565
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: So he filed a patent for the variety he was

566
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Speaker 1: growing in nineteen thirty five. It was difficult to however,

567
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,439
Speaker 1: and other growers got in on it, producing their own.

568
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 1: The has avocado was popular due to its flavor, It

569
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Speaker 1: shipped well due to its thicker skin. The trees produced

570
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Speaker 1: more than other cultivars and grew more quickly. By the seventies,

571
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 1: it was one of the best selling varieties and the

572
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 1: hasavocado was making its way around the world due to

573
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 1: that improved ship ability. In the beginning, producers were worried

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Speaker 1: that the darker skin of this avocado would be a

575
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 1: detriment because it had long been this kind of darker

576
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 1: skin associated with rotting fruit.

577
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,280
Speaker 2: Sure, like, if you get a banana that's that color,

578
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 2: that's not your best banana, unless you really want to

579
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 2: make some banana bread exactly.

580
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 1: However, it turned out to be a benefit in this case.

581
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 1: It hid blemishes and after marketing campaigns like Ripe for

582
00:38:56,200 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: Tonight taught Americans how to tell when avocado was ripe.

583
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 1: The darker skinned avocados solidified its place as the norm

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Speaker 1: for a lot of people. So when a later variety

585
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 1: came out and it was green skinned, people were like,

586
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 1: We're like, what's that. I don't want it. We don't

587
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:15,479
Speaker 1: know what that is, we don't know how to deal

588
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 1: with it. Yeah, which I find very fascinating. M h. Yes.

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00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 1: Quick aside, In the early nineteen hundreds, researchers were looking

590
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Speaker 1: into the possibility of avocado oil and how to extract it.

591
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:33,320
Speaker 1: Wartime shortages and rationing further kickstarted the interest and figuring

592
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:37,080
Speaker 1: out how to produce this oil on a larger scale.

593
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, and for decades the methods of extraction used didn't

594
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 2: produce a particularly tasty oil, but it was good in

595
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,280
Speaker 2: other industries like personal care products.

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Speaker 1: Right. Stepping back a bit, According to UK supermarket Marks

597
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 1: and Spencer, they should get the credit for introducing avocados

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00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 1: to the UK and nineteen sixty eight. However, there was

599
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:05,280
Speaker 1: name and confusion in this case. Too awesome, Yes, because

600
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 1: they sold avocado pears and some customers had a certain

601
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 1: idea of how to cook pears. Oh no, yes, at

602
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 1: least one purchaser allegedly stewed the avocados and served them

603
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 1: with custard, as you would a pair pair. Yes. In

604
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:27,360
Speaker 1: response to this, Marks and Spencer started offering little instructionals

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00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 1: about how to eat them. Oh yeah, yeah, we all

606
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:33,359
Speaker 1: sometimes we all need something like that.

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00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 2: Oh.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. By the late nineties, avocado was pretty much well

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Speaker 1: known around the world. There were a lot of pieces

610
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Speaker 1: to how this happened. One has to do with California

611
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: avocado farmers who were looking to find a way to

612
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 1: market their product, so they landed on a huge American event.

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Speaker 1: And I'm going to say it for the first time

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Speaker 1: on this show. I'm going to do it.

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00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 2: Goodness, the super Bowl, Yes, what he said it lawyers,

616
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:08,680
Speaker 2: not me, Lauren.

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00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 1: No, I don't know. Super Bowl, super Bowl, super Bowl,

618
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 1: the super Bowl. We're five now, you've said it three times.

619
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: You're gonna summon some kind of super Bowl demon. So

620
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,720
Speaker 1: what better dip to add into the mix of your

621
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 1: big gay lineup than guacamole. So these farmers pushed a

622
00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 1: large campaign that included free guacamole samples and recipes, and

623
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Speaker 1: it was really really successful. It pretty much like when

624
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 1: you think of the Super Bowl, guacamoley is probably one

625
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:45,800
Speaker 1: of the things you think of in the US.

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00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 2: At least, and it's because of this marketing push.

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00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 1: Absolutely yep yep. That being said, early Meso Americans were

628
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 1: very likely eating a version of guacamole. I don't think

629
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:04,399
Speaker 1: any of our listeners would think that these man invented it,

630
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,919
Speaker 1: But I just want to be clear, they just kind

631
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 1: of marketed it successfully. Yes, yes, yes. The avocado continued

632
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 1: to experience just huge viral growth beginning in the two thousands,

633
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 1: and it didn't stop really. It ended up in all

634
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:25,400
Speaker 1: kinds of things and all around the world too. I

635
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 1: was thinking about this when I was in Australia in

636
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: two thousand and eight. I was pleased to see avocado

637
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 1: as an option at subway, like kind of an avocado spread,

638
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 1: which is not a thing where I was from, which

639
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 1: admittedly I had come from a small town, so I

640
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 1: don't know, but I remember thinking like, avocado.

641
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 2: Okay, delicious, thank you.

642
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 1: Yes. Avocado oil was a part of this too to

643
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: some extent.

644
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, certainly, like the timing lines up because the cold

645
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 2: pressing process that leads to the good culinary oil was

646
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 2: pioneered right around the year two thousand in New Zealand,

647
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 2: and so that is why avocado cooking oil started popping

648
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 2: up in stores during the early two thousands there. It

649
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:20,319
Speaker 2: was really helped along by like the zeitgeist concept of

650
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:24,760
Speaker 2: plant based oils being healthier that was right, just booming

651
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 2: around that time, right.

652
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: And on top of that, avocados just really really got

653
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 1: swept up into multiple diets, health culture, wellness trends. In

654
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 1: twenty thirteen, actress Quinneth Paltrow released her clean eating cookbook

655
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 1: called It's All Good. In this best selling work, she

656
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 1: featured a recipe for avocado on toast. She was an

657
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 1: unofficial spokesperson for this type of California health lifestyle that

658
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 1: was going on, and this recipe fit right into that.

659
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 1: And this is one of many things that placed avocado

660
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 1: solidly in the super food category for many in Western cultures,

661
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 1: avocados became a whole thing, like not just a health

662
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: food but a brand almost Yeah yes, And in fact,

663
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 1: California declared avocados that it was their state fruit that

664
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 1: same year. Well yes, And as we've discussed before on

665
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 1: this show, this does come with serious repercussions when something

666
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 1: blows up like this.

667
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 2: Yeah.

668
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 1: Investigation suggests that drug cartels out of Central America control

669
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 1: the avocado supply in Mexico. The avocado industry led to

670
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 1: illegal deforestation. Since avocado is more profitable than most crops

671
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 1: grown in Mexico, or it was in twenty sixteen, folks

672
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 1: weren't scentivized to ignore laws against deforestation so that they

673
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 1: could plant avocado trees. And this has a lot of

674
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 1: environmental implications, including irrigation and the water supply yeah yeah like.

675
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 2: And pollution from agricultural runoff into the already avocado strapped

676
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:17,359
Speaker 2: water supply like. Such wide ranging concerns because ecosystems are

677
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:21,839
Speaker 2: really complex, like some of the forest being cut down

678
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 2: to make room for more Avocado is home to monarch

679
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 2: butterflies during their annual migration south for the winter, So

680
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 2: how are they going to adjust to this changing landscape?

681
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:39,640
Speaker 2: We don't know. Also, definitely those drug cartels range up

682
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 2: or the supposed activity that I can neither personally confirm

683
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 2: nor deny, definitely ranges up into Mexico as well.

684
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:52,799
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. And then on top of that, there are

685
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:56,959
Speaker 1: concerns that haas avocados could become a monoculture as other

686
00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 1: wild varieties, or having their trees cut down and replaced

687
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 1: with has as. We know, the risk with a monoculture

688
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 1: is that a parasite or disease or what have you

689
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 1: could wipe out their whole population and then you there's

690
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:14,760
Speaker 1: no more banana anymore.

691
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:17,760
Speaker 2: You to find a whole different banana.

692
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 1: Yes, and then climate change too, which I know we'll

693
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 1: talk more about later, but hey, yeah, and avocado theft

694
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:33,120
Speaker 1: also spiked alongside avocado's growing popularity. In twenty seventeen, three

695
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 1: men were arrested in Ventura County for allegedly stealing three

696
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars worth of avocados and selling them illegally.

697
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:44,799
Speaker 2: Yeah. I feel like we talked about that in our

698
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 2: maybe not that instance in particular, but avocado crime and

699
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:49,320
Speaker 2: our food crime episode.

700
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: Yeah it was a minute ago. So yeah, yes, still

701
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:57,800
Speaker 1: think it could be a good a good TV show.

702
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, right man, But this brings us to another

703
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 2: bit of cultural crime.

704
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 1: I would say, Oh, I can't wait to get your

705
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 1: thoughts on this. Okay. So there was a bit of

706
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 1: a debate that was sparked when a baby boomer columnist

707
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 1: for an Australian newspaper asserted that millennials should stop buying

708
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 1: avocado toast and buy a house instead. The author wrote quote,

709
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:26,160
Speaker 1: I can afford to eat this for lunch because I

710
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 1: am middle aged and have raised my family. But how

711
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 1: can young people afford to eat like this? Shouldn't they

712
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 1: be economizing by eating at home? How often are they

713
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 1: eating out? Twenty two dollars several times a week could

714
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:45,720
Speaker 1: go towards a deposit on a house. Listen. A lot

715
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 1: of very biting memes came out of this. Would you

716
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 1: pick up? Oh?

717
00:47:53,200 --> 00:48:01,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I just I think he owes me reparations?

718
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 1: What a way to phrase it, too? Like geez economized

719
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:16,360
Speaker 1: by eating at home, you're bad twenty two dollars several

720
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 1: times a week. I get it like avocado's Australia is

721
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:26,360
Speaker 1: expensive because it's an island. Yeah yeah, but I just

722
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:30,359
Speaker 1: feel like, come on, come on man?

723
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 2: Which was which was the general response to it? It was?

724
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 1: It was, And I do think avocado toast became sort

725
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 1: of a signifier for a specific type of person lifestyle.

726
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 1: I think it kind of in this case, is fitting

727
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:49,840
Speaker 1: into the stop buying your lattes conversation. So there is

728
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 1: some truth to some aspect of the avocado toast lifestyle

729
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 1: Gwyneth Paltrow's style. Sure, yeah, but avocado toast is good,

730
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:01,959
Speaker 1: and never buying it in your life is not going

731
00:49:02,040 --> 00:49:05,959
Speaker 1: to get you enough money for a house. No, that's

732
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:10,439
Speaker 1: just not That's not the thing holding you back, I suspect.

733
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:14,319
Speaker 1: And it's also worth noting that a part of the

734
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 1: frustration around this item has to do with how much

735
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 1: restaurants charge for it.

736
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 2: Oh sure, yeah, And I mean you know, like like

737
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 2: I'm a big fan of making my avocado toast at home,

738
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 2: but also if something makes you happy in this The

739
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 2: Year of Our Dark Lord twenty twenty six, or even

740
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 2: back then, even in what was it twenty eighteen?

741
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:45,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, sometimes you want avocado toasts at a restaurant.

742
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 2: You've got to do nice things for yourself, just to

743
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 2: just to hold back the horrors, you know, right.

744
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:57,439
Speaker 1: Just want a thing to say to a whole group

745
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 1: of people too. Just I can eat this because I

746
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 1: have done the thing.

747
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:08,359
Speaker 2: I have you already taken care of all of I've right,

748
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 2: My financial ducks are in a row.

749
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 1: But y'all are messy because of toast. No consideration into

750
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:24,800
Speaker 1: how things have changed. Yeah, yeah, any way, I actually

751
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 1: wasn't expecting to find this, but I In twenty eighteen,

752
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:32,880
Speaker 1: the BBC reported about how people were using the husk

753
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 1: of the avocado in a bunch of ways to like

754
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:40,240
Speaker 1: serve lattes or as a container to propose in Oh

755
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:43,799
Speaker 1: that's adorable. Yeah, a little messy but adorable. I love

756
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 1: it again. A little messy, but yeah, use the husk. Yeah,

757
00:50:52,920 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 1: and research is ongoing, yeah, yeah, uh as always. Climate

758
00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 1: change is an issue.

759
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:08,200
Speaker 2: You know, Like avocado trees root shallowly and generally need

760
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 2: like a lot of water and really mild subtropical temperatures

761
00:51:12,680 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 2: in order to thrive.

762
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 1: So if it gets.

763
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 2: Too hot or too cold or too dry, they don't

764
00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 2: do very well. There's extra concern because right, because so

765
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:27,319
Speaker 2: much of the global crop, like ninety percent of the

766
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 2: commercial industry is the HAS variety. However, researchers completed sequencing

767
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:38,320
Speaker 2: the avocado genome in twenty nineteen, and they do hope

768
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 2: that this will lead to future development of like hardier

769
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 2: avocados that do better in a wider range of conditions.

770
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:49,439
Speaker 2: And for example, just in twenty twenty three, researchers out

771
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 2: of UC Riverside released a new variety called the Luna

772
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 2: uc Are. The combines avocado trees that are smaller and

773
00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:02,280
Speaker 2: like well pollinating the bear tasty fruit with a fruit

774
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 2: rind that does turn black when it's ready to go,

775
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:09,880
Speaker 2: And it is the result of like seventy years of

776
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 2: development off of the HAS. One of the folks who

777
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:17,759
Speaker 2: worked on it for basically that entire time was this

778
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:22,720
Speaker 2: guy named Bob Berg and he apparently planted some seventy

779
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 2: thousand different seedlings of Gwen avocados before they found the

780
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 2: Luna Gwen being one of those green spinoffs of a spinoff.

781
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:33,360
Speaker 1: Of the HAS.

782
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 2: Right, and because the skin is green when it's ripe,

783
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:40,319
Speaker 2: researchers thought that they were doing themselves a favor, but

784
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:43,799
Speaker 2: then Americans figured out that black skin means it's ripe,

785
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 2: and then they got confused about the green skin ones. Anyway,

786
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 2: they were working on this poor avocado, this poor, good

787
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 2: tasting green skinned avocado, for like thirty years, and by

788
00:52:56,680 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 2: the time it came out, people were like, no, we

789
00:52:58,320 --> 00:52:58,800
Speaker 2: like the haws.

790
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:06,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, avo drama. Anyway.

791
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:09,800
Speaker 2: Uh Berg unfortunately passed away just a couple of years

792
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 2: before the Luna's debut. But but, but what I mean,

793
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 2: it's agricultural work is a long and arduous process, and

794
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:24,799
Speaker 2: we always have to remember and be grateful to our

795
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 2: extremely hard working researchers and farmers and harvesters and et

796
00:53:30,120 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 2: cetera who bring all of this to us so that

797
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 2: we can waste our lives away making avocado toast.

798
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 1: I'll never have a house, Lauren, What have I done? Yes,

799
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 1: that's all involved, and the research is really cool. It's

800
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:55,840
Speaker 1: so cool.

801
00:53:56,440 --> 00:54:01,359
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I You're welcome, by the way, for not

802
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 2: including like a thirty minute diatribe about different oil processing

803
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 2: procedures alas a thing that I would like to come

804
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:16,799
Speaker 2: back to at some point in time if we can

805
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:20,840
Speaker 2: is all of the avocado crime because it is a deep,

806
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 2: weird world out there, and yeah, yeah, absolutely there would

807
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:31,440
Speaker 2: be a lot to talk about for sure, for sure,

808
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 2: but I think for today, hmm, that is what we

809
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:43,320
Speaker 2: have to say about the avocado. Yes, yes, we would

810
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 2: love so much to hear from you, if you guys

811
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 2: have favorite recipes, if you, you know, have never bought

812
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 2: a house because of your avocado habit, if you've bought

813
00:54:53,640 --> 00:55:01,560
Speaker 2: a house despite your avocado habit, those avocado costumes. Genuinely, however,

814
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 2: we do already have some listener mouth for you, and

815
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 2: we are going to get into that as soon as

816
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:08,279
Speaker 2: we get back from one more quick break for a

817
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 2: word from our sponsors.

818
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 1: And we're back. Thank you sponsor, Yes, thank you, And

819
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 1: we're back with smooth. Yeah, no avocado hand here. Oh yeah,

820
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 1: I hope none of you listeners have ever experienced this.

821
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:50,960
Speaker 2: Oh jeez, yeah, yes, just push on it just a

822
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:51,920
Speaker 2: little bit softly.

823
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 1: It's okay, it's okay, just a little tender touch. Okay.

824
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:03,400
Speaker 1: So Bart wrote, I'm sad to hear the show with sunsetting,

825
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 1: but I want to give you a double thinks first

826
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:08,640
Speaker 1: for all your years of fun and informed of shows

827
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:11,760
Speaker 1: I learned as much as I smile, and there's lots

828
00:56:11,800 --> 00:56:15,279
Speaker 1: and lots of both. And second for winding down rather

829
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 1: than stopping with the short final episode, I wish you all,

830
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:21,360
Speaker 1: including the super producers, nothing but the best, and I

831
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:24,680
Speaker 1: look forward to hearing your forses elsewhere in the podcast sphere.

832
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:28,320
Speaker 1: I was going to write anyway about the fun Liichi episode,

833
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:31,760
Speaker 1: but I wanted to start with the most important part.

834
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:36,759
Speaker 1: Leichi hold a very special place in my heart. Our

835
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:40,319
Speaker 1: modern world of abundance has lessened the magic of many

836
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 1: once special treat foods, but Leichie remained special, at least

837
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:47,239
Speaker 1: here in Ireland. I discovered them as a once a

838
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:51,319
Speaker 1: year Christmas treat on family trips home to Belgium. I

839
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:54,360
Speaker 1: literally got to enjoy them once a year at the

840
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:57,320
Speaker 1: family Christmas feast, and now I buy them every chance

841
00:56:57,400 --> 00:57:01,279
Speaker 1: I get. For me, they are double delicious. They are

842
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:04,880
Speaker 1: objectively wonderful to eat, but for me, their deliciousness is

843
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:09,399
Speaker 1: amplified by our rich helping of nostalgia. I get them

844
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:12,160
Speaker 1: more than once a year now, but not much more

845
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:15,400
Speaker 1: than that. They show up on our supermarket shelves for

846
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 1: just a handful of weeks each year and when I

847
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 1: see them, they're straight into the basket. As we say

848
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 1: here in Ireland, slan go full, which roughly translates as

849
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 1: farewell for now, but slan is a word that has

850
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:34,360
Speaker 1: no direct translation. It means wellness in terms of health

851
00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 1: and happiness. Well, thank you, so yes, so nice, my

852
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 1: goodness and hopefully I didn't butcher it completely. Thank you

853
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 1: for the pronunciation included. Any mistakes are always our own, yes,

854
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:54,080
Speaker 1: but no, thank you so much. And we've loved hearing

855
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 1: from you, yes, over the years. A lot of it's

856
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 1: like you're our friend and so we get to, yeah,

857
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:04,440
Speaker 1: check in what you're up to and all this stuff.

858
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 1: And you've been our Irish correspondent for a long time.

859
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 1: So thank you. And yeah, Leichi does have kind of

860
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 1: that special vibe to me every time I see it.

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Speaker 1: It feels pretty special. Yeah. Oh and I love that

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Speaker 1: they became a family holiday tradition. Yeah yeah. And you're

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00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 1: totally right that nostalgia helps with that too, if you

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Speaker 1: have that association with the holidays Christmas, oh sure, yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Part of why I get really excited about like fresh

866
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:47,479
Speaker 2: seasonal citrus every year is that like it does come

867
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Speaker 2: like right around the winter holidays and I'm like, ooh

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Speaker 2: oh man, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Kind of brings out these memories, gets you in the

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Speaker 1: seasonal mood. H yeah, oh well, thank you so much. Yes,

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Speaker 1: oh so so much, so much.

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Speaker 2: Justin wrote, I had started writing this mail before I

873
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Speaker 2: listened to your latest announcement. I'm devastated that this show

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00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 2: will come to an end. It's been one of my

875
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:17,120
Speaker 2: faves for many years, and I will miss you guys

876
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 2: very very much. Your dynamic is unmatched and such a

877
00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:23,720
Speaker 2: nice example of female friendship and support. I love that

878
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:26,320
Speaker 2: we've gotten to know your distinct personalities, and it has

879
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:28,520
Speaker 2: shown me time and time again that it is good

880
00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:33,240
Speaker 2: to have niche hobbies and strong opinions. Now onto my

881
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:37,200
Speaker 2: original email. I just listened to your Bone Marrow episode

882
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 2: from twenty twenty four head Explode Emoji and wanted to

883
00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:43,560
Speaker 2: share some tales from the butcher counter where I work.

884
00:59:45,080 --> 00:59:47,480
Speaker 2: Some people seem to believe that eating like our earliest

885
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:50,440
Speaker 2: ancestors is the way to go, and according to some

886
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:55,160
Speaker 2: very niche internet wisdom, this apparently means mostly raw meat.

887
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:59,080
Speaker 2: In Germany, it is totally safe to eat some amounts

888
00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:01,720
Speaker 2: of raw beef and porn, but maybe not over a

889
01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:05,000
Speaker 2: pound a day every day. They clearly did not listen

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Speaker 2: to the Saber motto. A young woman and a young

891
01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 2: man around twenty years old with these interests, how did

892
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:15,959
Speaker 2: I know? They told us started showing up at around

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Speaker 2: the same time in November December. Aside from mostly beef,

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01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:25,040
Speaker 2: the boy also bought chicken to eat raw. Me and

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Speaker 2: several colleagues pleaded with him not to do this. He

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01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 2: also likes organ meats they're healthy and sustainable. After all,

897
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 2: chopped raw liver is somewhat common in certain fitness communities,

898
01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 2: but he would also purchase beef, heart, kidneys and bowl testibles.

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Speaker 1: Yes, to eat.

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Speaker 2: Raw, I just don't know anymore. They also bought marrowbones.

901
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:50,560
Speaker 2: At their peak, they each bought two to four bones

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01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:53,760
Speaker 2: a week, sometimes bringing us to our limit as a

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01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:57,120
Speaker 2: small business that slaughters their own animals. We had to

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Speaker 2: turn away customers who hadn't pre ordered, who just wanted

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01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:03,680
Speaker 2: a few pieces for stock or sauce, especially annoying during

906
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:07,080
Speaker 2: the holiday period. The problem the guy wanted the bones

907
01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:10,440
Speaker 2: to be cut open lengthwise, which would put the bone

908
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 2: saw through some serious damage. A new blade every week

909
01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:15,840
Speaker 2: meant we had to up the price for his marrow bones,

910
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Speaker 2: and yes, the two of them would even eat bone marrow.

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01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:25,360
Speaker 2: Raw bone marrow is at a higher risk of contamination

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Speaker 2: than raw meat. It's different from the spinal marrow, which

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Speaker 2: legally cannot be sold in Germany, just like beef brains

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01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:34,600
Speaker 2: because of mad cow disease, and because it's mostly unrendered fat,

915
01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:38,160
Speaker 2: it's hard to break down for the human body. Unsurprisingly,

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Speaker 2: the kids were sick all the time and wouldn't be

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Speaker 2: able to come pick up their pre orders. At some point,

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Speaker 2: the girl placed her usual order for meat but no bones.

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Speaker 2: I asked her what was up with that, and she

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01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:53,280
Speaker 2: confessed that she had been sick a lot and would

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Speaker 2: now cook her meat and skip the marrow altogether because

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Speaker 2: it was too fatty. By the way, she had previously

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Speaker 2: been vegan. Sorry, y'all have readings when cold. I okay,

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Speaker 2: I keep coming to points. Okay, we're going to continue.

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Speaker 2: She had previously been vegan, even raw vegan for a

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Speaker 2: while until she had developed some serious defficiencies. It's almost

927
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Speaker 2: like a balanced very diet is the way to go.

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Speaker 2: But oh well, if we jump between extremes quickly enough,

929
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Speaker 2: it's almost balanced.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: Funny how life goes Sometimes I started work at the

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Speaker 2: butcher shop during COVID lockdowns, when restaurants and cafes were

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Speaker 2: closed for months. On end twenty twenty meters. Would never

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Speaker 2: have guessed that this would one day be a problem

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Speaker 2: in my life that I would have to deal with

936
01:02:42,040 --> 01:02:44,720
Speaker 2: and that I could write my possibly last email to

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Speaker 2: you about thank you for our time together and I

938
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Speaker 2: hope that lots more good things are coming your way.

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Speaker 1: Oh, thank you once again you've written in over the years.

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01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:01,840
Speaker 1: It's been wonderful hearing from you. Yes, catching up in

941
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:05,560
Speaker 1: you know we're not going way like they will be there.

942
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, as far as we know, they like

943
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:12,960
Speaker 2: aren't going to turn it off. And uh and certainly

944
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:15,440
Speaker 2: like I'm the one in charge of not responding to

945
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:19,080
Speaker 2: the social media accounts, so you can always vaguely get

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01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:22,000
Speaker 2: a hold of us there. I'm not going to turn

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01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:24,800
Speaker 2: those off unless something like really drastic happens to them,

948
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:29,280
Speaker 2: like happened with Twitter. But uh yeah, so yes, you

949
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:32,840
Speaker 2: can always write into us. The other point where so,

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01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:34,720
Speaker 2: so I was, I I have I have a little

951
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:36,240
Speaker 2: bit of a thing where I have a tiny bit

952
01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:39,520
Speaker 2: of a difficulty with with like sounds like K sounds,

953
01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:43,040
Speaker 2: and so uh. I was going to clear my throat

954
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:46,080
Speaker 2: anyway before I said the word chicken. But I was

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01:03:46,120 --> 01:03:50,200
Speaker 2: reading cold. I was cold reading, and I saw the

956
01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:53,160
Speaker 2: word chicken, and before my brain processed what that meant,

957
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:55,520
Speaker 2: I stopped to clear my throat, and then I just

958
01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:56,600
Speaker 2: looked into the middle.

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01:03:56,720 --> 01:03:59,360
Speaker 1: I just I just stopped. I just stopped entirely, like

960
01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:08,840
Speaker 1: my whole brain and just went, oh, no, true, it's true. Yeah,

961
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Speaker 1: don't eat raw chicken.

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01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:16,080
Speaker 2: Like Salmonella is like really on the down tick, like

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01:04:16,080 --> 01:04:19,240
Speaker 2: like like most especially like your local butcher shop, right,

964
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:22,280
Speaker 2: you know, like you're getting from from good sources, like

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01:04:22,360 --> 01:04:25,240
Speaker 2: farming practices have come a long way, you know, like

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01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:30,280
Speaker 2: we've really got a decent handle as a species on

967
01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:33,840
Speaker 2: that kind of thing right now. But there are things

968
01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:38,720
Speaker 2: that you shouldn't do to yourself on purpose.

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Speaker 1: Many of them showcased in this email all at the

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01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:51,760
Speaker 1: same time. Heck me, yeah, yep, yep.

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Speaker 2: There's just there's just no saving some people from themselves.

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01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:01,760
Speaker 2: Except I'm so glad that it least this nice lady

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01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:04,360
Speaker 2: decided to help herself out.

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Speaker 1: That's that's great. Yeah, yeah, And I do think, you know,

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01:05:11,120 --> 01:05:14,280
Speaker 1: it is that kind of trend diet thing where people

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Speaker 1: just go.

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01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:19,760
Speaker 2: All in, oh yeah, yeah, and certainly, I mean, you know,

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01:05:19,800 --> 01:05:22,480
Speaker 2: like this is a we talked about this way back

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01:05:22,600 --> 01:05:28,080
Speaker 2: in our Juice cleanse episodes. Yea, from way from like

980
01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:30,160
Speaker 2: like first month that we were doing this.

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Speaker 1: You know, like it's.

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01:05:33,120 --> 01:05:38,520
Speaker 2: Culturally speaking, there are a lot of factors that encourage

983
01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:42,480
Speaker 2: people to behave in these kind of out there ways.

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01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:48,840
Speaker 2: And the Internet doesn't help, no, because you get some

985
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:53,280
Speaker 2: influencer talking about how it made their skin and hair glow,

986
01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:56,640
Speaker 2: or like how much more they can bench now that

987
01:05:56,680 --> 01:05:59,560
Speaker 2: they're eating nothing but raw meat or whatever it is,

988
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:06,720
Speaker 2: and people believe them. And maybe and maybe, I mean,

989
01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:08,960
Speaker 2: I'm not discounting the fact that it could have possibly

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01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:12,600
Speaker 2: worked for that one human, but like probably probably they're lying.

991
01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:16,040
Speaker 2: It's they're probably lying to you because they're being paid

992
01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:20,200
Speaker 2: to do so by someone, or they're just not very

993
01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:22,560
Speaker 2: intelligent and they're just saying things because it makes the

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01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:23,440
Speaker 2: money for clicks.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, And you know, it's it's one of those

996
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:34,480
Speaker 1: things too that I get because sometimes you're so desperate,

997
01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:36,800
Speaker 1: you're like I just want to change Oh my gosh.

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01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:41,320
Speaker 2: Right right, you see this very symmetrical person with like

999
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:45,120
Speaker 2: good hair who is telling you this thing and you're like, oh, oh,

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01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:48,440
Speaker 2: try that one. Yeah, and it is and it is

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01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:51,160
Speaker 2: so easy to fall into. And I mean and unfortunately right,

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01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:54,960
Speaker 2: like I mean, like the the real advice is so

1003
01:06:55,040 --> 01:06:57,240
Speaker 2: much less sexy. The real advice is like, eat.

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01:06:57,080 --> 01:07:05,280
Speaker 1: A balanced diet, right, yeah, try to drink some water. Yeah,

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01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:05,880
Speaker 1: that's it.

1006
01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:12,080
Speaker 2: That's a lot trickier to figure out than just going like, oh, well, okay,

1007
01:07:12,360 --> 01:07:15,120
Speaker 2: if I make my local butcher buy a new bone

1008
01:07:15,160 --> 01:07:18,880
Speaker 2: saw once a week, I can probably have a better life.

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01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:24,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I can only hope. And I know

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01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:27,080
Speaker 1: you didn't, but if you had, you could have put

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01:07:27,160 --> 01:07:29,520
Speaker 1: up a sign that said bone Saw is ready from

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01:07:29,560 --> 01:07:32,880
Speaker 1: Spider Man two thousand and one, and it would have

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01:07:32,920 --> 01:07:38,720
Speaker 1: been an excellent little not to both that film and

1014
01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:44,840
Speaker 1: to your poor bone saw. But that is pretty wild

1015
01:07:44,880 --> 01:07:50,440
Speaker 1: that you're having to buy. And also, you know that

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01:07:50,520 --> 01:07:53,040
Speaker 1: had to be a lot of money. They respect me, right,

1017
01:07:54,600 --> 01:07:58,120
Speaker 1: You've given us like a whole case to unpack.

1018
01:07:58,080 --> 01:08:00,720
Speaker 2: Like I've got avocado toast money, but not this kind

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01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:01,760
Speaker 2: of money.

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01:08:04,600 --> 01:08:09,000
Speaker 1: It's true, because we're spending all the money on the avocadovocados.

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01:08:09,080 --> 01:08:14,320
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, oh my goodness, oh my heck uh again, right,

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01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:15,800
Speaker 2: like I like, I like, I don't want to like

1023
01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:17,720
Speaker 2: make I kind of want to make fun of these

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01:08:17,720 --> 01:08:19,559
Speaker 2: two humans a little bit. But I but you know,

1025
01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:21,320
Speaker 2: but I but I like again, like I don't want

1026
01:08:21,320 --> 01:08:23,679
Speaker 2: to make fun of anyone for just falling into something

1027
01:08:23,680 --> 01:08:28,920
Speaker 2: that they don't mean to because it's easy to But yeah, yeah,

1028
01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:33,760
Speaker 2: heck critical thinking, critical thinking, y'all. And also yes, just

1029
01:08:33,800 --> 01:08:36,760
Speaker 2: oh my goodness, thank you so much for writing in

1030
01:08:37,080 --> 01:08:37,519
Speaker 2: with this.

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01:08:39,320 --> 01:08:46,800
Speaker 1: Yes, thank you gob stopping story. Yes, which I purposely

1032
01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:49,400
Speaker 1: was like, I'm gonna have Lauren read this with no

1033
01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:56,519
Speaker 1: prep no preparation time. Just see how she reacts. How

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01:08:56,560 --> 01:08:57,880
Speaker 1: that go? Was it good?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:00,880
Speaker 1: No, I think it was excellent. Thank you know, going

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01:09:00,920 --> 01:09:04,240
Speaker 1: back to the female friendship and support, the support is

1038
01:09:04,280 --> 01:09:07,559
Speaker 1: what I was showing in that moment.

1039
01:09:10,640 --> 01:09:13,360
Speaker 2: We are in a safe place. I can experience this

1040
01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:14,799
Speaker 2: kind of horror safely.

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01:09:17,360 --> 01:09:25,360
Speaker 1: I wouldn't put you in a bad situation without it. No, no, no, no, Well,

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01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:28,760
Speaker 1: thank you so much to both of these listeners for

1043
01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:30,479
Speaker 1: writing in. If you have liked to write to us,

1044
01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:33,439
Speaker 1: you can our emails hello at saberpod dot com.

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01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:36,599
Speaker 2: Oh, we are also on social media. You can find

1046
01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:40,120
Speaker 2: us on Instagram and Blue Sky at savor Pod and

1047
01:09:40,200 --> 01:09:42,479
Speaker 2: we do hope to hear from you. Sare is a

1048
01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:45,720
Speaker 2: production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts my heart Radio, you

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Speaker 2: can visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you

1050
01:09:49,080 --> 01:09:51,960
Speaker 2: listen to your favorite shows. Thanks as always to our

1051
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:55,080
Speaker 2: super producers Dylan Fagan and Andrew Howard. Thanks to you

1052
01:09:55,160 --> 01:09:57,320
Speaker 2: for listening, and we hope that lots more good things

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Speaker 2: are coming your way.