1 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: Welcome to the NFL Legends Podcast, an NFL podcast for 2 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 1: the players, by the players. Here is your host, four 3 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:16,240 Speaker 1: team year NFL veteran and Hall of Famer Anius Williams. 4 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: As we celebrate the NFL's hundreds season, A series of 5 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 1: roundtables were conducted around the two thousand and eighteen postseason. 6 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:35,280 Speaker 1: Consistent of a staggering array of NFL greats, these round 7 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 1: tables talked about the NFL's past glory, its present stars 8 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: in its promising future. Let's listen in Well, you guys, 9 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:46,240 Speaker 1: we're here talking about somebody like the hun the hundred, 10 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 1: NFL one hundred years. And I'm curious. All of us 11 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 1: came from totally different background in places and college experiences, 12 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 1: but we all had our first day in the NFL. 13 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 1: And I want to ask you, what is your first 14 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 1: NFL memory? Who wants to go for Windy Lyman. I know, 15 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 1: y'all like the talks that don't get shy, you go one. 16 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:11,679 Speaker 1: I got my first memory. I got drafted by the Cowboys. Uh. 17 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 1: I was in the dorm. They called me from the 18 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:17,320 Speaker 1: athletic department and I had agree with nothing like the 19 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 1: day Yeah, rotary phone. I went over there and Uh, 20 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:25,680 Speaker 1: I thought I was going to the Baltimore coach. They 21 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 1: kept they had the number one pick in the draft. 22 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 1: They kept saying with taking number one. That night they 23 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 1: trade Barkowski. So I end up going number two to 24 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: the Cowboys. So I'm on a plane going to Dallas, Texas, 25 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 1: and I got the walking coach Landry's office and meet 26 00:01:40,640 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 1: Tom Landry. And on the way home, Gil Brandt are 27 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 1: scout general manager. They sold course bear in. It was big, big, 28 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 1: and I brought two cases back to the dorm and 29 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: I was a hero for about an hour. My memory 30 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 1: coming into the league was my first mini camp. Uh 31 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 1: you know this little kid from from Norfolk, Virginia. Um 32 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 1: from the inner city. Uh, coming up a little kid 33 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 1: becauling everybody standing. Yeah. But but nevertheless, I went to Buffalo. 34 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 1: I knew it was cold, but I didn't know how 35 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 1: cold and how long it stayed cold. But it was 36 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 1: in the May. It rained hell and then snowed, and 37 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:38,079 Speaker 1: then the sun came back out in about thirty minutes. 38 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 1: I said, what the hell have I got myself into. 39 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: I've never seen such extremes of weather like that before. 40 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 1: But that was a rude awakening. How about Miami man. 41 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:52,440 Speaker 1: You you you go right straight up to the warm weather. Yeah, 42 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 1: I got lucky. Yeah. My first NFL memory, obviously, was 43 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 1: the day I got called by Jimmie Johnson. And unlike 44 00:02:58,120 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 1: you guys, I didn't know I was going to the league. 45 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 1: I was a small guy coming out of Acker and 46 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 1: two hundred and thirty pounds. That's when defensive bands were built. 47 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:09,440 Speaker 1: Like you guys, you know they were two five whatever 48 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 1: and two thirty five never haven't played the position. I 49 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 1: didn't know what was coming. And so I get that 50 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:18,119 Speaker 1: call from Jimmy Johnson, asked him what I was gonna play, 51 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:20,360 Speaker 1: and he said, you're You're gonna play football. It's what 52 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:22,359 Speaker 1: he's saying. Just kind of put me out there and said, 53 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:24,799 Speaker 1: chase the ball, don't worry about we're line up, don't 54 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 1: by any blitzes, coverage, any of that stuff. Just gonna 55 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:28,839 Speaker 1: find the football. But most importantly, I had a coach 56 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 1: that took a young guy and really believe in him 57 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 1: and gave me that chance to just go, go, fail 58 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 1: and we'll figure it out. That sounded like a dream 59 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 1: come true to everybody else at the day because that 60 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 1: was not happening with us and howe Raiders. What was 61 00:03:40,520 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 1: your first memory? You know, much like Jason, you're not 62 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 1: quite sure. Small school guy. I think we played on 63 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 1: TV once, so I didn't know where I was doing Raiders. 64 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 1: Draft me. I go from Villanova, where there's a priest 65 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 1: on every floor, to the Oakland Raider locker room, where 66 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 1: there was my first MEMBERY just even trying to feel 67 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 1: that you belong because I texta Southern I come a 68 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:11,160 Speaker 1: little small school too. But I remember going into the 69 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 1: Giants locker room the first mini camp. They bring the 70 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:17,479 Speaker 1: rookie then, and they had the physicals, and they brought 71 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 1: the vets in to do their physicals. But they came 72 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 1: in later in the afternoon and I saw Eric Dorsey, 73 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 1: who was a big defensive man we had first round 74 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 1: pick out of the University of Oklahoma. He walked into 75 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 1: that locker room. He had on a full black body suit. 76 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 1: I mean he shouldn't have no man should wear body suit, 77 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 1: but he had on a full big body suit, and 78 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 1: he had muscles coming out of muscles. And I remember 79 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 1: looking at him and in my head thinking, if I 80 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 1: gotta look like that, I'm playing NFL, I ain't gonna 81 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 1: make it. I just will not make it. I mean 82 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 1: the guy that that was intimidated to me, but that 83 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 1: was my first memory and walk into that locker room 84 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 1: and the fact that that Phil Sims looked at me 85 00:04:57,560 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: and say hey, Michael, and I was like, oh, he 86 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:01,919 Speaker 1: what was my name? You know, it is kind of 87 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:04,280 Speaker 1: like welcome, welcome to the NFL moment. But I think 88 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: we all realize that once you get to the locker rooms, 89 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:10,279 Speaker 1: not college anymore. Because this is a job, and all 90 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:12,360 Speaker 1: of us obviously have done our job really well, we 91 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 1: wouldn't be sitting here at this table. So I'm curious, 92 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 1: what do you think is the key to your success 93 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:24,719 Speaker 1: as a football player. Don't be shy brag on yourself. Man, 94 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 1: This isn't about bragging on yourself right now. That's why 95 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:29,600 Speaker 1: we're doing this whole round table. Well, I don't call 96 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 1: it bragging. I call it stating the facts. If no, no, 97 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 1: I I call it stating the facts. Look, everybody is 98 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 1: sitting at this table has a high football like you. 99 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 1: That's that's not bragging. The athletic ability that sets them 100 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 1: apart from any other player, that's not bragging. Now, when 101 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:57,840 Speaker 1: when you you you put those elements together with the 102 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 1: desire to compete, and the desire to win, to desire 103 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:06,360 Speaker 1: to make the sacrifice to make sure when you walk 104 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 1: out on that field you are better prepared than your opponent. 105 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:15,119 Speaker 1: That's what's going to carry there. That's what's gonna carry 106 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 1: it there. You want to know the secret to success 107 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 1: in this game is there are no secrets. It's called 108 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 1: hard work, it's called sacrifice, it's called commitment and being 109 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:27,919 Speaker 1: a disciplined player. And and that's what I thought that 110 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 1: I brought to the table. Who was the player that 111 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 1: influenced the game the most? Randy. When I was a 112 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:38,359 Speaker 1: little kid, I used to watch Ray Nisk right because 113 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 1: he bald headed, he had the black things and the 114 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: big nose, and he was mean and he was always 115 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 1: hitting people. And so I go to the Clumbush Cutdown 116 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 1: Club when I'm a singer in college to get an award. 117 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 1: But I saw his name on the thing, and I said, 118 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 1: I want to meet ray Nisky while I'm here. Says, well, 119 00:06:56,960 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 1: make that happen. So we go downstairs and there's Ray 120 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 1: Nitsky sitting with Art Donovan and Bobby Lane and I 121 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 1: get to meet the street. I mean, this is a 122 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 1: big deal, right, And I just got drafted by the Cowboys. 123 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 1: They wouldn't make me a middle linebacker. When Nisky says, hey, okay, 124 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 1: come over here, sit down, let me give you a 125 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 1: little advice. When you go to that Dallas team, he says, 126 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: don't make any friends. He says, you're not the crap 127 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 1: out everybody you come up against, you'll have all the 128 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 1: friends you need. I gotta say for me, I'm sitting 129 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: here at the table with um two of the guys, 130 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 1: one being Howie and then of course watching Bruce. I 131 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 1: couldn't do what you did because you could turn a 132 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 1: corner and be this high off the ground and get 133 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: around the corner. I don't know how you did without falling. 134 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 1: So for me, it was watching all of you guys 135 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 1: and what you were doing, it was. It was motivated 136 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 1: for me. It made me want to be great, and 137 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: I realized how hard you guys work to be great, 138 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 1: and I wanted to be in that class. Even though 139 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 1: for me to sit here today with you guys kind 140 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 1: of blows me away because I don't see it, never 141 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 1: did see myself as the Hall of Famer. I was 142 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 1: some kids who stumbled in the football coming from Germany 143 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 1: when it blows my mind. Man. It's funny how things 144 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: kind of trickle down because you watch how you watch 145 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:17,920 Speaker 1: Bruce and me being the youngest guy at the table, 146 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 1: being the baby. I have two of the I have 147 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 1: two of my idols sitting at the table with me 148 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:27,320 Speaker 1: and guys that I've gotten to known over the years, 149 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 1: and it's and I always changed. So it was Bruce 150 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 1: and you, and then William mc ginnis was the third 151 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 1: guy that I really looked at, because, like I said, 152 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:35,439 Speaker 1: when I got in I had no idea what the 153 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:37,679 Speaker 1: hell I was doing at d N. So as you 154 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: already alluded to you talking about Bruce and the way 155 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 1: he leaned the corner. So I watch it. I break 156 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 1: it down, I slow it down, I'll draw it up 157 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 1: on paper. I put cones out, DVC pipes, leaning sideways, 158 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: all those things. So I'm like, if I can get 159 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 1: my body at this angle, it wasn't gonna work. Like 160 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 1: my angle was gonna snap, my knee was gonna give out. 161 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: So all right, let me find something else about Bruce 162 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:01,880 Speaker 1: I can do, because that's God. Yeah, that wasn't gonna 163 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 1: work for me. So it was the same thing with 164 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:06,040 Speaker 1: straight I watched so many so much taper you, of 165 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 1: you and of Bruce, and it really McGinnis and the 166 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:10,599 Speaker 1: things he was doing in New England because he was 167 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 1: kind of the guy that Jimmy said, you know a 168 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: little bit more of an undersized guy, so to speak. 169 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 1: You can stand up, he can be down to. Yeah, 170 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:20,079 Speaker 1: so watch everything McGinnis does. You know For me, when 171 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 1: I first came into the league, there was this guy 172 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:26,199 Speaker 1: by the name of Ben Williams, and Uh, I was 173 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 1: like a sponge. I wanted to learn and and and 174 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 1: understand the game and pick up little tips from everyone. 175 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 1: And I would always notice he was always using his hands, 176 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 1: swiping his hands and this and that. And he pulled 177 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:41,079 Speaker 1: me aside one day and I said, why why do 178 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:44,079 Speaker 1: you do all that? He said, because they can't grab you, 179 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 1: they can't hold you. And then all of a sudden, sudden, 180 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 1: this piece of the puzzles starting coming together, and I 181 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 1: started understanding that to be a great pass us showing 182 00:09:56,559 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 1: a great defensive player, you had to create separation between 183 00:10:02,360 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 1: you and that offensive lineman so we could use the 184 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 1: best asset that we had in our our given um 185 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:14,719 Speaker 1: athletic ability, and that's your ability to be able to run. 186 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 1: You create separation, not allowing them to grab you and 187 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 1: hold you. You get your hip past their hip. It's 188 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 1: over what current player out there in the NFL, or 189 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 1: players that you look at and think, Wow, what a game. 190 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 1: I really I really like watching this guy play. Guy 191 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 1: play the right way. This guy von Miller does things 192 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 1: like a DV. He's like a blitzing dB special. But 193 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 1: the one the defensive tackle wise Aaron Donald, Aaron Donald, 194 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 1: if anybody like him, yeah, but if you, if you 195 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 1: look at it, the one common denominator that these guys 196 00:10:54,800 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 1: possess its creating separation. Don't run and so they can run. 197 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 1: Not only that endurance to separation and endurance, these guys 198 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:09,319 Speaker 1: don't stop. But I'd say Khalil, I'd say obviously JJ, 199 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:11,719 Speaker 1: not just for the early part of his career, but 200 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:14,679 Speaker 1: coming back from the injuries. I agree with you with 201 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 1: with the names you just you just mentioned Khalil, Vaughan, 202 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 1: and and JJ has had an incredible career as well. 203 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 1: Those four names right there are the ones that are 204 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 1: been most impressive over the last i'd say seven or 205 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:34,599 Speaker 1: eight years. A lot of great players that there is. 206 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 1: And but you know, I think that the great thing 207 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:40,719 Speaker 1: about you know, sitting here with you guys that it's 208 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 1: love and respect. Love and respect. It's like that room 209 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:45,959 Speaker 1: in the Hall of Fame. Yeah, walking every year and 210 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:48,319 Speaker 1: you say, everyone in this room has a reason to 211 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 1: feel pretty good about themselves. But the respect in the 212 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 1: room is everything. The one thing we didn't talk about, 213 00:11:55,520 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 1: we talked about it prior to the shoot quarterbacks. Uh, 214 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 1: who's your favorite quarterback? Who the favorite quarter We had 215 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 1: this discussion before you guys started telling me and none 216 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:12,319 Speaker 1: of us at this table like quarterbacks. None, none, not 217 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:15,079 Speaker 1: even our own quarterback on our own team. I love 218 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: Jim Kelly, but I don't like quarterbacks. It's just a 219 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:21,439 Speaker 1: simple that I will tell you this, Eli. I love 220 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:24,679 Speaker 1: Eli man. I can't say that I really was in 221 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:27,720 Speaker 1: love with the other quarterbacks. We had seen a nice guy, cool, 222 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 1: but I never liked the quarterback on another team. You know, 223 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 1: and some of them we're friends now, we're cool. But yeah, 224 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 1: how we hit them? We didn't. But we didn't communicate 225 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 1: with them. They weren't. We didn't socialize. There wasn't any 226 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:44,040 Speaker 1: social media. We're the offseason vacations together. We're gonna get 227 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 1: a boat. Yeah, you know what that crazy to me? 228 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 1: I can't do that. That's the old man stories. Now, 229 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:53,079 Speaker 1: I mean, let's get off. There was it was no 230 00:12:53,160 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 1: computers or no communication, but was not one. I couldn't 231 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:03,559 Speaker 1: do that where I'm gonna, you know, be vacation and 232 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 1: with dude helping you all. I always bothered me, even 233 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:07,199 Speaker 1: when I see it help him off the ground, like 234 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:08,679 Speaker 1: let him use it on energy to get up. That 235 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:11,439 Speaker 1: makes them more tire, Like it's certain things that do 236 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 1: bother me. But I quarterback, I love the sack first 237 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:19,320 Speaker 1: of all, all of them. That's a big nab for me. Yeah, 238 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:22,559 Speaker 1: I think was because she's just Philadelphia. Yeah, I agree 239 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:25,079 Speaker 1: with you. It's it's really it's it's a kind of 240 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 1: a faceless, you know position, just whoever the quarterback is. 241 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 1: But John Elway being in the division, having to taste 242 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 1: him around at that ski resort up there in Denver 243 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 1: for most of myne Yeah, for me, it was Elway 244 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:42,400 Speaker 1: and Marina Um, both of those guys. Yeah, they well, 245 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: he had the quickest release in that era of football. Unbelievable. 246 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 1: It was just extraordinary. You see. The trend is we 247 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 1: all picked the guys that kind of in our division 248 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 1: we see the most. But I mean so yeah. Tom 249 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:56,079 Speaker 1: Brady was a guy I saw a lot sacked the 250 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 1: most of my career. I always tell everything. They all 251 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 1: sad like, not like to It doesn't matter. Got tall 252 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:05,319 Speaker 1: you wants to worry about Phil Simms. We got time 253 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 1: standing there for the Super Bowl MVP thing. Right, I'm 254 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 1: standing there talking to John Riggins and Phil Simms looks 255 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 1: at me, said, I thought about you this morning, Randy, 256 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 1: And what do you think of thinking about me for? 257 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: He says, he just cut on my chin. He had 258 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 1: a big cut there on his scar on his chin. 259 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 1: He says, you did that to me. He says every 260 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 1: time my nicked. He says, yeah, yeah. And we're playing 261 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 1: him one time and I remember to play when it 262 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 1: happened because he was on the ground. He was going ah, 263 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 1: and I had some choice word. I said, hey, you 264 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 1: big sister, get up. And he got up and he 265 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 1: threw the football at me and he called me a 266 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 1: bad word. I want to go hug him. I said, Oh, 267 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 1: I like you. Phi is U he is. He's a 268 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 1: tough guy. I always liked you. How does the game 269 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 1: changed now from what you knew from what you from 270 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 1: what you experienced to what you watch now? You know 271 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 1: to me, the game is still who wins a line 272 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 1: of scrimmage? Right, you watch a football game. I mean, 273 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 1: big plays obviously play a play a part in it. 274 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:21,960 Speaker 1: But the team that wins the game up front usually 275 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 1: wins the football game. And that hasn't changed and forever. 276 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 1: Now the rules are different. You know, I watched a 277 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 1: football game. I know the referees name. I don't like that. 278 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 1: I don't like knowing the referee's name. I want to 279 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 1: know the football guy's name. But you know that's changed. 280 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 1: The way that the way the rules. You know, guys 281 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 1: get up off the ground looking hey, how come I 282 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 1: to get a penalty? You know, we never had that. 283 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 1: I think the game has changed. They're in nickel seventy 284 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 1: percent of the time. It's it's rushed the quarterback. The 285 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 1: run game is not quite as important, and the situation substitutions. 286 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 1: I mean, how many snaps you get into year on average? 287 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 1: Eight never came out of games ever. Yeah, now it's 288 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 1: probably way down. One of the things I always did 289 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 1: was I was always gonna be in better shape. I 290 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 1: was gonna be in better shape than the other guy. 291 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 1: I was gonna beat him with my mind. I was 292 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 1: gonna beat him mentally every day during the week. So 293 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 1: when that fourth quarter came around, when everything counted, He's 294 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:28,480 Speaker 1: gonna be tired and I'm gonna start beating. We may 295 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 1: play even for three quarters, but when that fourth quarter come, 296 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 1: I'm went in the fourth quarter. And that was a 297 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: philosophy I used in a model that I built, and 298 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 1: I plugged that in for fourteen years and it worked. 299 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 1: And one thing I would never do. Next Stray was 300 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 1: talking about, you know, you're at that point where you 301 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 1: about to pass out and die, but he was never 302 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 1: gonna see that. That's like I was hurting. I wanted 303 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 1: to die. My eyes were on the back of my head. 304 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 1: When when you when you can hear yourself breathing, you know, 305 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 1: you get that loud breath in your in your ears 306 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 1: like but he wouldn't know what to just stand there 307 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 1: and stare at him us out of all my face. 308 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 1: But but you're right about that. I always thought to myself, 309 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:06,440 Speaker 1: how can I be as smaller than him, that big 310 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 1: three hundred something pound guy, He's gonna get time. And 311 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:11,600 Speaker 1: I knew for me as far as you're talking about power, 312 00:17:11,680 --> 00:17:14,639 Speaker 1: and I wasn't a big guy. I mean earlier in 313 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 1: my career, I was bigger, but I was a manufactured 314 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 1: big guy. If you have power in your game and 315 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 1: you understand the game, you have leverage, then you can 316 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 1: work off of power. If you're for next guy, just 317 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:28,719 Speaker 1: run around the edge. You never display power. One. At 318 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 1: some point you're gonna lose some speed and that guy's 319 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 1: gonna beat you to that, to that contact and it 320 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 1: catches up to you. So se song, you ever see 321 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:39,680 Speaker 1: the one trick pony, then you see me. So you 322 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 1: got to develop something out for power. So my game 323 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:44,399 Speaker 1: was based off power just for that fact, for the 324 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:47,119 Speaker 1: case of longevity. But I used to just power to 325 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 1: the point of where I just wanted to take your soul. 326 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:52,440 Speaker 1: I wanted to take your will. I wanted to look 327 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:54,159 Speaker 1: you in your eye. And we've all been to that 328 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 1: point where you're on the guy so bad you're looking 329 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 1: his eyes and you realize he's he doesn't want to 330 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:00,680 Speaker 1: be there's still a game. It's still of well. The 331 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:03,000 Speaker 1: one common thread is I want to be in better 332 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:05,879 Speaker 1: shape than everybody, and I want my eightiest play to 333 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:08,680 Speaker 1: look like my first play. And that's when you know 334 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 1: it's round nine, round ten, round eleven, round twelve, where 335 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:15,160 Speaker 1: you really make hay and that's where the games want. 336 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 1: You gotta watch that film. That's where you win. You 337 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 1: gotta watch that film in front of your teammates. And 338 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:21,680 Speaker 1: that was always the thing that would always scare me, 339 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 1: to get in there and have them not see what 340 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:27,959 Speaker 1: what you wanted them to see. And fear, I mean 341 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:30,639 Speaker 1: you talk about fear, I mean that that motivated me 342 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 1: my whole career. Not the fairer one. I'm scared, I'm 343 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 1: going to run away, I'm gonna embarrass yourself to fear, 344 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:39,359 Speaker 1: I'm gonna let my coach down. Fear I'm gonna let 345 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:42,679 Speaker 1: my teammates. Now, I never wanted to go watch that film. 346 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:45,119 Speaker 1: You know, when they watch that film, I wanted them 347 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 1: to see me going a hundred ten percent because Coach 348 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 1: Lander would make an example out of me. And like 349 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 1: how we alluded to earlier, you know what, once you 350 00:18:53,920 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 1: get there and then you gotta stay there, that's twice 351 00:18:56,560 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 1: as hard because and you're hoch expected of your teammates, 352 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 1: respected of you. You got to maintain that level of 353 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 1: intensity for your whole career. I mean, if you're going 354 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:11,119 Speaker 1: to be a great football player, and it's kind of 355 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 1: a tortured existence. From that standpoint, I don't think you 356 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:19,440 Speaker 1: really enjoy your career until after year done. Very true, Fellas, 357 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: has been an honor and a privilege to sit at 358 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 1: this table with you, NFL one one hundred years of 359 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 1: great football. I'm sitting at the table with legends who 360 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 1: made it happy within those one hundred years. All Right, 361 00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: you guys, maybe we can do this next week in 362 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:45,879 Speaker 1: Montana defensive lineman yeah, line yeah. This has been the 363 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:50,159 Speaker 1: NFL Legends podcast. To provide feedback or request a topic 364 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:54,120 Speaker 1: for discussion, email us at NFL Legends at NFL dot com.