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Speaker 1: My next guest is Dr Cedric McFadden is a popular

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Speaker 1: TV medical contributor for Black Health. Is a black health

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Speaker 1: advocate and assistant professor of surgery. Dr McFadden graduated with

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Speaker 1: honors with something that I did from Dxavier University of

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Speaker 1: Louisiana and New Orleans down in the good food country

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Speaker 1: and they and earned his medical degree from Temple University

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Speaker 1: School of Medicine in Philadelphia, another great eating place as well.

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Speaker 1: And man loves eat I think because he's now he's

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Speaker 1: based in South Carolina. Today we'll be talking to about vaccines, variants,

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Speaker 1: masking reinfections, antibodies, and coping with the loss of the copy,

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Speaker 1: with loss and isolation. Please welcome to Money Making Conversations

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Speaker 1: Master Class. Dr Cedric McFadden. How are you doing, sir?

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having me. I'm honored to

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Speaker 1: be one of your guests. Well, thank you, because I

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Speaker 1: when I look at my medical history, sir, you know

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Speaker 1: UM in eighteen ninety, You know, I always thought I

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Speaker 1: But if I got a cold, I just go outside

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. And then then in the

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Speaker 1: touch of immortality. I couldn't live for tapped into my

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Speaker 1: you back. We don't know what's wrong with you. And

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Speaker 1: then in I I was diagnosed with cancer. And you

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Speaker 1: know yourself, doctor, when you tell us aboudy that they

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Speaker 1: have cancer, their life and my life did flash, you know,

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Speaker 1: And it was it was a sudden sense of reality.

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Speaker 1: They didn't even told me anything about it was it

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Speaker 1: was curable. They just all I heard was cancer and

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Speaker 1: it was tied to me and my body. And uh

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Speaker 1: it was turned out to be thyroid cancer. And that

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Speaker 1: they removed that and uh, birn the cancer out of me.

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Speaker 1: And I'm still every year I go through checks. And

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Speaker 1: then reached that I had a sweat gland tumor that

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Speaker 1: got a scar here, scar here, scar on my back.

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Speaker 1: Now these are visual physical scars. The pandemic a lot

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Speaker 1: of left a lot of emotional scars tie to isolation

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Speaker 1: and talk to us about that. Well, you're absolutely right.

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Speaker 1: I think one of the scars and the challenges that

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Speaker 1: all of it, and that creates, you know, a scar

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Speaker 1: but often we're still finding challenges with you know, how

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Speaker 1: How our students can come back together and play football,

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Speaker 1: despite the scars. So still real, you know, a present

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Speaker 1: You know, when you talk about a black health advocate,

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Speaker 1: you know, you know, we know black people with notorious

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Speaker 1: And uh, but now we're talking about mental health too,

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Speaker 1: right back with more money making conversations. Masterclass with Rushan

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Speaker 1: McDonald Now let's return to Money Making Conversations Masterclass with

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Speaker 1: Rashan McDonald Dr McFadden. You know, here's the thing, you know,

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Speaker 1: the health contributor, and everything tends to come back at

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Speaker 1: the Brown community. We are a community of deniavers. You know,

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Speaker 1: we denied the gay community. Guess what. We lead in

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Speaker 1: stress related illnesses. Denied, denied, deny. How can we stop denying?

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Speaker 1: But there's world work that's happened every day across this country.

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Speaker 1: So the same thing is happening basically with COVID. People

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Speaker 1: Dr Cedric McCain, happy to be here, Thank you for

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Speaker 1: We talked about Gumbo later on