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Speaker 1: Welcome in everybody to Fantasy Pros. This is the Fantasy

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Speaker 1: Football Podcast. It is me Joey p joe Pisapia, and

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Speaker 1: today we're going to take a look at the quarterback position.

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Speaker 1: That's right, This is where it all begins for your

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Speaker 1: fantasy knowledge. If you understand the quarterbacks, you understand the offenses.

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Speaker 1: If you understand the offenses, there's a good chance you're

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Speaker 1: going to be successful in your fantasy drafts. And to

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Speaker 1: start taking a deep dive into the early ranks of quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Now that we have free agency out of the way,

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Speaker 1: now that we have the NFL Draft out of the way,

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Speaker 1: now that Aaron Rodgers decides he wants to play football again, yay.

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Speaker 1: We have Jake Sealey from the Athletic and we have

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Speaker 1: Debro Derek Brown, the King of Bros, here with us

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Speaker 1: today to parse through all these rankings, which you can

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Speaker 1: find by the way over fantasypros dot com slash rankings.

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Speaker 1: Isn't that funny how you just put rankings at the

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Speaker 1: end of it and it takes you right there. It's

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Speaker 1: pretty good. So the consensus rankings are up here, and

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Speaker 1: we're gonna start here with the very top tier of

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Speaker 1: quarterback and jump in with two feet top tier. You

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Speaker 1: have a question.

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Speaker 2: Start question before we get started. I don't know this moment,

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Apologize to the audience. Thought we were going to go

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Speaker 1: right in, but now we're not go ahead.

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Speaker 2: This is no never because I don't know if the

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Speaker 2: producers are gonna cut off. Like I wore my Mandalorian shirt.

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Speaker 2: Are you wearing an AFC Richmond shirt?

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Speaker 1: I am. I'm wearing not only I realized, not only

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Speaker 1: am I wearing my AFC Richmond shirt today, but I've

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Speaker 1: also got my Believe mug.

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Speaker 2: So I guess that was what I just I just

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Speaker 1: I love Ted Lasso. I'm not gonna lie I was

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Speaker 1: late to Ted Lasso. I just watched it for the

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Speaker 3: I have not seen it.

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Speaker 2: I'll own a peace.

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Speaker 3: I'm max all right, All producers, keep all of this.

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Speaker 1: I don't care about the jerk in the YouTube comments.

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Speaker 1: He goes fast Feller to three minutes and forty five

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Speaker 1: seconds for the show's heart. Nobody cares. This is the

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Speaker 1: show and you like it? Cool?

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Speaker 2: Well, they work for us if you want to jump out,

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Speaker 2: So you have to watch Project el Mary and he

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Speaker 2: asked to watch Ted Lasso. Yeah, you right now the rankings.

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Speaker 1: Look, are you going to see The Mandalorian though? By

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Speaker 1: the way, are you going to see it this weekend?

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Speaker 2: I am absolutely, my nephew, it looks look so good, dude,

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Speaker 2: are you not?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. My love for Star Wars has really

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Speaker 1: falling off the last couple of years.

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Speaker 2: Joe went so far off the cliff he hates.

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Speaker 1: I am I do. I'm just I'm a purist.

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Speaker 2: Kids on his lawn that wear Star Wars stuff. He

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Speaker 2: throws rock, yes trash at him.

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Speaker 1: I throw my old Kenner figures at them from my

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Speaker 1: Darth Vader case that I still have, which I still

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Speaker 1: have in the closet, by the way, the figure case

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Speaker 1: with Darth Vader and the whole thing. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk. We'll talk more about that. Yeah, wait,

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Speaker 1: let's talk about the quarterbacks here. If you want this,

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Speaker 1: check out a tailgate NFL. We had a great conversation

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Speaker 1: there about all kinds of stupid things and football too.

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Speaker 1: Check it out YouTube right now. Anyway, let's talk about

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Speaker 1: the top tier quarterbacks. Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Drake May

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Speaker 1: feels right, feels good. I've just been working on the

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Speaker 1: quarterback profiles for Black Book that'll be out on Amazon

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Speaker 1: first week of June. I know Debro's working diligently there

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Speaker 1: and going through like this is kind of the top

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Speaker 1: of Josh Allen the last couple of years, it's clear.

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Speaker 1: the easy question is this, is there another guy that

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Speaker 1: this elite tier? Jake, I'm gonna start with you on

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Speaker 1: this one. Is there somebody you want to put in

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Speaker 2: of push back on Jayden Daniels. I don't know why

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Speaker 2: I said push back like that, push back on.

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Speaker 1: Very Yeah, why so far back for this tape, Jake.

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Speaker 2: Good Chris impressions.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was really good. He was hurt less. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: When it comes to Daniels, look, we just had him

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Speaker 2: here last year when we were drafting, coming off his

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Speaker 2: of complaint last year that Cliff Kingsbury didn't do anything

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Speaker 2: And I get it, the injury risk, it's going to

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Speaker 2: I'm okay with that, but I mean you're still talking

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Speaker 2: about in his first four games, which had that giant

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Speaker 2: in my opinion, deserves to be in Tier one because

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Speaker 2: if you can be a capable quarterback and you're running

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Speaker 1: No, look, I think that is absolutely there's that's a fact,

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Speaker 1: like no one's going to dispute that at all. You know,

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Speaker 1: when you're out there for that many yards, he's going

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Speaker 1: pull that up real quick there for Jaden Daniels in

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Speaker 1: terms of his Fantasy points per game. Uh, that was healthy.

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Speaker 1: I'm looking at this right now, and that is not

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Speaker 1: a hard leap of faith to take. It's funny. That

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Speaker 1: would have been good enough for second overall last year, Jake,

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Speaker 1: Thank you for that. You're welcome saying this is why

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Speaker 1: we like to look at the numbers here. Now, Debro,

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Speaker 1: there's a guy that you again you want to adjust here. Now.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you want to adjust him out

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Speaker 1: because I think this is a little controversial, and you're

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Speaker 1: afraid of controversy here in the program. So go ahead,

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Speaker 1: just following the process. Man, You're like the Madonna of

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Speaker 2: If he's going with the first answer, because I also

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Speaker 2: have him number three. But if he's going with the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've actually like I don't have him in this tier.

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Speaker 3: I have Lamar Jackson at QB five. I'm not saying

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Speaker 3: that Lamar Jackson is dust. He is forever nothing. I

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Speaker 3: just have more questions about Lamar Jackson than it seems

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Speaker 1: Like everybody's like, oh, he.

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Speaker 3: Was hurt, and we're just gonna excuse everything away, And

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Speaker 3: are we all not also realizing that he's entering his

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Speaker 3: age twenty nine season. He has almost eleven hundred rushing

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Speaker 3: think he's gonna be good because he worked with Ben Johnson.

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Speaker 3: What if he sucks. He's never called plays in the NFL, Like,

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Speaker 3: we have no proof of concept that he's actually good.

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Speaker 3: And then you go back to like how Lamar Jackson

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Speaker 3: finished last year. It was a long sample size of

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Speaker 3: terrible guys, Like weeks nine through eighteen. It wasn't just

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Speaker 3: Lamar Jackson was QB twenty in fantasy points per game, right,

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Speaker 3: But I think he was.

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Speaker 1: But we talked about a myriad of injuries that he

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Speaker 1: was not just like one injury. It was like several

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Speaker 1: all lower half injuries too. And then I just feel

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Speaker 1: like that was a guy going, Hey, I'm gonna do

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Speaker 1: a slow death out here. We're trying to propel into

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Speaker 1: the playoffs. And I get that and harball the pressure

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Speaker 1: of the expectations. This was a team that supposed to

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Speaker 1: go with the Super Bowl last year. So you're not

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Speaker 1: wrong about you know, his bad play. He was bad,

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Speaker 1: There's no doubt about that. But when do you sort

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Speaker 1: of take that with a giant grain of salt and

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Speaker 1: say he was playing through a time where he probably

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Speaker 3: I'm not taking it as a copy and paste. But

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Speaker 3: what I'm saying is like people are saying, Okay, with

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Speaker 3: all the injuries and stuff, and yes, I think that

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Speaker 3: he was God awful as a passer. That's the caveat

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Speaker 3: when nobody's talking about it. Wasn't just that he's not running.

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Speaker 1: I want to see that transition, Jake, to your point,

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Speaker 3: My only last pushback about Lamar Jackson is we kind

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Speaker 3: Here.

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Speaker 1: It's tier two. Joe Burrow at the top on Fantasy

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Speaker 3: freaking eight last year. The other thing we've never gotten

433
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Speaker 3: out of Jalen Hurts never, we have never gotten a

434
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Speaker 3: thirty passing touchdown season out of Jalen Hurts.

435
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Speaker 1: What if that's this year?

436
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Speaker 3: Guys, we've seen Jalen Hurts b QB one and fantasy

437
00:18:19,720 --> 00:18:20,440
Speaker 3: points per game.

438
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Speaker 1: Hard to imagine that with the way the structure of

439
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Speaker 1: the roster is based on how heavy it because they

440
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Speaker 1: added playmakers that's hard to know, no, because they're probably

441
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Speaker 1: losing their best one in AJ Brown, who for whatever

442
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Speaker 1: was when right now at this point of his career,

443
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say yes with j do you say yes?

444
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Speaker 1: Is AJ Brown still elite for you? I think he is.

445
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Speaker 2: I would still take him over to about this smeth

446
00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:48,440
Speaker 2: or anything they have. And that's coming from somebody who's

447
00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:51,760
Speaker 2: argued for Lemon. I mean we're talking about he's only

448
00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:54,119
Speaker 2: about to turn twenty nine, so like, I'm not putting

449
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Speaker 2: AJ Brown out the past year yet. I think the

450
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Speaker 2: argument that Debra should mate is that AJ Brown els cotter.

451
00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:03,639
Speaker 2: We're not healthy for half the season combined or like

452
00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:05,600
Speaker 2: if you'd like, they missed a lot, so like DeVante

453
00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:07,480
Speaker 2: Smith was the only one out there the entire time.

454
00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:09,520
Speaker 2: He even got banged up a few times, so like

455
00:19:09,640 --> 00:19:11,320
Speaker 2: he was dealing with a lot of injuries, including the

456
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Speaker 2: offensive line.

457
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Speaker 1: So there you go.

458
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Speaker 2: There's a little bit more nuggets for her. Even though

459
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Speaker 2: I thought I was the high person on Jalen Hurts, Clearly, I'm.

460
00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:19,760
Speaker 1: Not not enough, not where Derek Brown wants to live

461
00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:23,159
Speaker 1: in that rarefied air. Jalen Hurts, So Debro obviously, you

462
00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:26,440
Speaker 1: know hurts, a couple more rushing touchdowns, some better health,

463
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Speaker 1: and maybe a little bit of an injection of youth

464
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Speaker 1: with guys like mackay Lemon, who I think the three

465
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Speaker 1: of us are all very high on, and I'm sure

466
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Speaker 1: we're going to ruin his adp. I'm sorry in advance, everybody.

467
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Speaker 1: I apologize. We do our best here.

468
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Speaker 2: A big discount anymore.

469
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Speaker 1: Yeah, forget that discount. Do some early drafting if you

470
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Speaker 1: want the discount. But I know that you also have

471
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Speaker 1: concerns about Justin Herbert, which I'm curious about to the why,

472
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Speaker 1: because to me, I thought this was like one of

473
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Speaker 1: the great performances of last year, just all around, playing hurt,

474
00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:57,240
Speaker 1: playing with offensive line they fell apart, playing without a

475
00:19:57,280 --> 00:19:59,480
Speaker 1: consistent running game because of all the injuries they had,

476
00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:02,119
Speaker 1: their play with a wide receiver corps of old farts

477
00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:05,119
Speaker 1: and guys who really just weren't consistent week to week.

478
00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:07,639
Speaker 1: And now you know you've brought in some better talent.

479
00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:10,000
Speaker 1: You've got a healthy Omari and Hampton, you got an

480
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Speaker 1: oc here Like to me, I feel like the yards

481
00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:14,240
Speaker 1: after carry that Hampton could help pad his stats with

482
00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:17,040
Speaker 1: is really nice. The two tackles being back and healthy

483
00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:19,280
Speaker 1: really changed what you might be able to do here?

484
00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:21,720
Speaker 1: But why do you see Herbert maybe on the negative slide?

485
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Speaker 3: Well, so for me with Herbert, it's not so much

486
00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:26,919
Speaker 3: it's it's negative, it's I don't know what kind of

487
00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:29,880
Speaker 3: passing volume we get out of this offense with which

488
00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:32,000
Speaker 3: version of Mike Madanda do we get? Do we get

489
00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,199
Speaker 3: the last two years and he was twenty fifth and

490
00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:37,760
Speaker 3: twenty sixth and running an offense that was twenty fifth

491
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Speaker 3: and twenty sixth the neutral passing rate? Or do we

492
00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:41,879
Speaker 3: get the two previous years in Miami where he was

493
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Speaker 3: eighth and eleventh And how much of Harball wanting to

494
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Speaker 3: protect Herbert, how much of this is what they want

495
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Speaker 3: to be as an offense and as a team. I

496
00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:51,359
Speaker 3: don't know, guys.

497
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Speaker 1: And if the passing.

498
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Speaker 3: Volume is more towards the lower end of the league

499
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Speaker 3: and not top twelve, then that's where it's it gets

500
00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,040
Speaker 3: dicey for me with Herbert and putting him as a

501
00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,639
Speaker 3: locked in top ten quarterback when in two of his

502
00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:06,120
Speaker 3: last four seasons he's been outside the top twelve quarterbacks

503
00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:08,280
Speaker 3: and fantasy points per game last year he had a

504
00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:10,680
Speaker 3: career high at the thirty one rushing yards per game,

505
00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:15,040
Speaker 3: although you be kind of rewind every season before that

506
00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:18,879
Speaker 3: he never eclipsed more than eighteen. So we also got

507
00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:20,679
Speaker 3: like the confluence of a lot of good things from

508
00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:22,800
Speaker 3: Greg Roman at the beginning of the season in a

509
00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:26,960
Speaker 3: pass happy offense, Justin Herbert was running more. We've never

510
00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:29,640
Speaker 3: run that much in his career to this point. Does

511
00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:32,639
Speaker 3: the rushing keep up? And how much passing volume do

512
00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:33,960
Speaker 3: we get because if we don't get a ton of

513
00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:37,239
Speaker 3: passing volume, he's gonna have to be crazy efficient. And

514
00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:39,679
Speaker 3: that's not even talking about Yes, I think Joe All

515
00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:42,399
Speaker 3: coming back is really really good. The history of guys

516
00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:45,640
Speaker 3: coming back from Ptellerton and injuries, for with Shaun Slater.

517
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Speaker 2: Is god awful.

518
00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:48,200
Speaker 3: So I don't even know what we see at US.

519
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Speaker 1: Later this year. That's fair, that's fair. Well, the hope

520
00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:52,760
Speaker 1: is for the best there, Jake, I want to talk

521
00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:55,960
Speaker 1: to you about Jackson Dart, guy last year that did

522
00:21:55,960 --> 00:22:00,560
Speaker 1: get to take the reins earlier than you maybe, but

523
00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:02,880
Speaker 1: not as early as maybe Derek Brown and I wanted.

524
00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:06,840
Speaker 1: But Jackson Dart last year finished with seventeen point six

525
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Speaker 1: Fantasy points per game. That was good enough for fourteenth

526
00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:13,600
Speaker 1: overall and when you're starting to look at Jackson Dart

527
00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:15,760
Speaker 1: this year and projecting what's gonna happen, it is still

528
00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,040
Speaker 1: kind of tricky because you have a scenario where Malik

529
00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:21,280
Speaker 1: Neighbors did have that cleanup surgery. Varying reports will tell

530
00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:23,120
Speaker 1: you different things. Some people will tell you all, that's good.

531
00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,280
Speaker 1: That means everything's going to be really much better when

532
00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:27,760
Speaker 1: he starts to, you know fully, ramp up. Other people

533
00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:29,680
Speaker 1: tell you, well, it's just going to delay the timeline.

534
00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:32,160
Speaker 1: You've got Cam Scataboo coming back from an injury. You've

535
00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:34,800
Speaker 1: got a new head coach, new system, knew all things

536
00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:38,400
Speaker 1: happening around him, and some new weapons like Isaiah Likely

537
00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:40,600
Speaker 1: and Malachi Fields and all the other guys we could

538
00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:44,639
Speaker 1: talk about. So Jackson Dart obviously another rushing quarterback, we

539
00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,479
Speaker 1: love that from Fantasy. At the same time, what does

540
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Speaker 1: it look like for him in terms of his development

541
00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:51,360
Speaker 1: year two where we can see another sophomore slump ause

542
00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:52,879
Speaker 1: he's too much of an injury risk for you? Or

543
00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:55,320
Speaker 1: are you willing to bet that Jackson Dart can do

544
00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:58,520
Speaker 1: enough year to crack the Fantasy points per game of

545
00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:01,359
Speaker 1: the top twelve guys here, Because really, the consensus believes that.

546
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,040
Speaker 2: Well, we're also talking about a new offense too, and

547
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,200
Speaker 2: real quick to go to Herbert, I'm also wor the efficiency.

548
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 2: So they've been the fourth lowest pace the Chargers were

549
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 2: the last two seasons. So he has to be efficient,

550
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,080
Speaker 2: not that he can't be, but he has to be efficient.

551
00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:17,720
Speaker 2: There's a little bit difference here when it comes to Jackson.

552
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,080
Speaker 2: That's why actually I agree a little bit justin Herbert

553
00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:21,520
Speaker 2: I still have in this tier, but just a little

554
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:23,800
Speaker 2: bit lower. Jackson Dart I think should be a little

555
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,960
Speaker 2: bit higher because if you look at last year and

556
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,240
Speaker 2: what he did, and I've already seen people on another

557
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:30,960
Speaker 2: show that we've done when people are like, oh no,

558
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,320
Speaker 2: Milik Neighbors, I can't believe you think Jackson Dart. Do

559
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,480
Speaker 2: you know any games he played with Milik Neighbors last year?

560
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:37,320
Speaker 1: A big fat one? Do you know what?

561
00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 2: Lak Neighbors didn't even do much in that game? I

562
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:44,320
Speaker 2: think it would have three or four targets, so like

563
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:45,920
Speaker 2: it wasn't even like he played with He played with

564
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,640
Speaker 2: Darius Slayton, Wandel Robinson, who all like injuries there, Theo

565
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 2: Johnson and a bunch of jokers out there in the

566
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,600
Speaker 2: entire season. Everybody's like, oh, it's gonna be so terrible.

567
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 2: Even if Milik Neighbors isn't ready till October, he's already

568
00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:00,159
Speaker 2: right now. He has a better collection of weapons that

569
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,760
Speaker 2: he did last year. And everybody also wants to poopool

570
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,960
Speaker 2: over the situation with Matt Nagean and Greg Groman. That's

571
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:07,920
Speaker 2: the part that I think people are also missing with

572
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:11,919
Speaker 2: Matt Naggy and Greg Roman. This is not just Matt Nagy.

573
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,200
Speaker 2: They brought him both because you know what Harbad did.

574
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,199
Speaker 2: He said, Hey, guess what, Maggie's great. Maggie's great at

575
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 2: the passing game, sucks it running. Greg Roman great in

576
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,159
Speaker 2: the run game, sucks at passing. Let's bring him in

577
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,440
Speaker 2: and ask him to do one thing each and leave

578
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 2: the other thing that they suck at alone. And now

579
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 2: you're going to get the best of both worlds. And

580
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,920
Speaker 2: I know it's a lot of projecting. We have Nick

581
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 2: let Nai. Yeah, like you let Naggie design. He's still

582
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 2: going to be a play caller, but you let him

583
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 2: design the passing game side, and Roman's bringing his Roman

584
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:43,360
Speaker 2: style rushing office. He designs that side of the offense.

585
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 2: Nagg's still the play caller. But I'm pretty sure that

586
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 2: Harball with his clout is brought him in. If they

587
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,399
Speaker 2: can't work together, he would have never brought him in together,

588
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:53,480
Speaker 2: Like you don't bring in Roman. Roman at this point

589
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:54,879
Speaker 2: of his career is not being like, oh yeah, I'm

590
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:56,720
Speaker 2: going to be third in line unless he's willing, like

591
00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,199
Speaker 2: he understands the connection that's gonna be made here. So

592
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 2: I think you're looking at basically, let's take what people

593
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:04,240
Speaker 2: might not know about both. You're kind of looking at

594
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 2: an Andy Reidish kind of West Coast offense ish which

595
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 2: spread rpo heavy, some two tight end sets, shifts zone

596
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:15,200
Speaker 2: like they're gonna do everything they can to maximize Jack

597
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 2: Jackson Dart and the weapons around him. But the biggest

598
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:19,879
Speaker 2: part we haven't even talked about here. It's the rushing.

599
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 2: Like we're going to get what we just talked about

600
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 2: with these other quarterbacks seven eight hundred yards. He's gonna

601
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,159
Speaker 2: call Josh Allen. He's gonna call his own number. We

602
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,000
Speaker 2: just saw it last year. He's like, Hey, I'm gonna

603
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 2: get hurt three times.

604
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:30,199
Speaker 1: I don't care.

605
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:32,919
Speaker 2: I'm gonna keep doing it. Like at some point I

606
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:34,439
Speaker 2: know that people are gonna be like, well, that's my

607
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:36,439
Speaker 2: argument against him, and that's fine. You don't have to

608
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,199
Speaker 2: take him. He is an injury risk. Cam Skatabu, if

609
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 2: he's ready week one, is an injury risk because he

610
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 2: sees a brick wall and runs into that instead of

611
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,119
Speaker 2: the open lane. So that's the biggest problem here is

612
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,399
Speaker 2: that with Jackson Dart he might get hurt. But that

613
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 2: style is what we want in fantasy. And that's the

614
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,120
Speaker 2: biggest part that you talk about a lot of times

615
00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 2: Joe in the playbook, and similar to drafting, is that

616
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,160
Speaker 2: if I lose Jackson Dart, I go to the waiver

617
00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 2: wire and find somebody else. But the fact of what

618
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:02,239
Speaker 2: I get Jackson Dart lost that option is going to

619
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 2: be better than most anybody in this group. And I

620
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,359
Speaker 2: understand part of it is saying like, Okay, well, I'm

621
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:09,880
Speaker 2: gonna lose Jackson Dart, But if you're looking at this group,

622
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:12,640
Speaker 2: it's the replacement of the person within Jackson Dart combined

623
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 2: that I'm going to get a better season from than

624
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,880
Speaker 2: somebody that in this range. They're like, oh, brock Perdy

625
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 2: plays a full seventeen games, Like yeah, okay, cool, But

626
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 2: Jackson Dart plus is probably gonna do better.

627
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 1: You just call the Black Book the playbook after writing

628
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:27,520
Speaker 1: for it for almost four years, Jake Zealer.

629
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 2: I've heard es it's your playbook in the Black Book.

630
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,680
Speaker 1: All right, fair enough, You know what, here's my take

631
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 1: with Jackson Dart in single quarterback leagues. I love the risk.

632
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,399
Speaker 1: I'll take it because it's so easy for replacement value. Right,

633
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,119
Speaker 1: you could go later and get Jordan Love and get

634
00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:45,879
Speaker 1: Jared Goff if you want to get a second quarterback

635
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,040
Speaker 1: and get somebody else who's a little bit more of vanilla,

636
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 1: and you have that guy in case Dart doesn't kind

637
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,880
Speaker 1: of rain in the style. Dart style is fine. He's

638
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 1: just got to avoid contact a little better, that's all.

639
00:26:56,320 --> 00:27:00,040
Speaker 1: Like the aggressiveness to run is not the problem. The

640
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 1: knowledge of when to realize, you know, you don't need

641
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 1: that extra viright again, but it's also just like, okay,

642
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 1: the gain the first down, that's what matters. Moving the

643
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 1: chains to what matters you trying to be a hero

644
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 1: all the time. That's where you get yourself into danger

645
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 1: in the NFL, maybe not so much in college. And

646
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,120
Speaker 1: again that's the transition so open. There's a learning curve.

647
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Speaker 2: There, Yes, I've forgot my biggest point. You set his

648
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,679
Speaker 2: points per game. It's skewed because he keeps getting pended

649
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Speaker 2: for those first two games.

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Speaker 3: That was going to bring it up too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's he actually averaged nineteen point ninety seven. Let's

652
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Speaker 2: just call it twenty because you round up. He has

653
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Speaker 2: twenty Fantasy points per game, which included that basically zero

654
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Speaker 2: against the Vikings, so.

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Speaker 1: Good enough for seventh overall. And right now his ranking

656
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Speaker 1: is the eighth quarterback right now, so that's kind of

657
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Speaker 1: right in line.

658
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Speaker 2: Depending on the site you play for. That was good

659
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Speaker 2: for fourth overall to.

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Speaker 1: Be well, I don't know what side you're opinion on.

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682
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Speaker 1: tier of quarterbacks here, and this one's gonna be really interesting.

683
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Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence at ten. They have Dak Prescott at eleven. Goodyear,

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Speaker 1: Bad year, Dak Prescott. That is the dumbest thing ever.

685
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Speaker 1: If you're drafting off goodyear, bad year, you're a moron.

686
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Speaker 1: Don't do that. If you're avoiding him because well, last

687
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688
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Speaker 1: It is the dumbest, most nonsensical thing ever. And I

689
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Speaker 1: just want to dispel that, and you know it's bad

690
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Speaker 1: because Debro is just shaking his head yes at me,

691
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Speaker 1: so you know it's definitely true. Brock Purty at twelve.

692
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Speaker 1: I had got some questions about that one. Patrick Mahomes

693
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Speaker 1: at thirteen, the MVP of the league, Matthew Stafford at fourteen,

694
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Speaker 1: coming off a season where he was first and everything,

695
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Speaker 1: which I think is really interesting. He's all the way

696
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Speaker 1: at fourteen, and then bow Nicks at fifteen, who also,

697
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Speaker 1: it ain't pretty all the time with bo Nicks, and

698
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Speaker 1: maybe it doesn't materialize all that much in the first

699
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Speaker 1: half of games. By golly, by the end of the game, somehow,

700
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Speaker 1: those fantasy points in there every single week. That's right,

701
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Speaker 1: By golly, that's all the ted Lasso stuff. You know

702
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: this morning for me, G whiz, G whiz, And by golly.

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Speaker 1: All right, So Jake, let's start with Trevor Lawrence here,

704
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Speaker 1: because here's my thing with Trevor Lawrence. It took a

705
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 1: little while. I want to give him a grace period.

706
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 1: New offense, liam co new coach, all that stuff. Most

707
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 1: of the damage came towards the end of the year. Lawrence.

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Speaker 1: It was a really good run at the end of

709
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Speaker 1: the year. It was also a lot of the stats

710
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 1: got petted by that. He won huge game against the Jets,

711
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 1: and it was massive. It was also the only three

712
00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 1: hundred yard game he had all year, So it's not

713
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 1: exactly prolific passing attempt attack. Rather, and now you're going

714
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 1: to take Travis chen out of that offense and replace

715
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 1: him with Chris Rodriguez and Beschell Tuton, and we don't

716
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Speaker 1: know how that runs. I have legitimate concerns about Trevor Lawrence.

717
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 1: I think everybody was just waiting so long for a

718
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 1: big breakout kind of season, and then we kind of

719
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 1: got it, most of it in the second half. But

720
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Speaker 1: I think there's other quarterbacks. I mean, if you're asking me,

721
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 1: I'd rather go into Fantasy next year with Matthew Stafford

722
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 1: for all of his back issues in the single quarterback league. Sorry,

723
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,360
Speaker 1: that's still the Rams. Last time I checked, they still

724
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 1: got Puka Nakua. They still got Devonte Adams. This is

725
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Speaker 1: a guy coming off an MVP season. He looked pretty

726
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 1: good to me last year. Jake, Why what's your take

727
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 1: on Trevor Lawrence, Because again this is another one that

728
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Speaker 1: really confuses me.

729
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Speaker 2: I'll give you a couple ones again here quarterbacks, and

730
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Speaker 2: I'm going all the way back to week not the

731
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Speaker 2: end of the season, because you're right, that's what the

732
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 2: easy approach everybody takes with Trevor Lawrence is like, oh,

733
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Speaker 2: blah blah, you had a forty to thirty point game

734
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Speaker 2: in there. So of course when you have over seventy

735
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 2: almost eighty points and two games, you're gonna rank number

736
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Speaker 2: one in a lot of things. Let's go back to

737
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 2: week five because bigger thing I talked about years ago

738
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Speaker 2: with the people, remember Eli Manning when they made their

739
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 2: offensive coordinator change, and they said, for somebody that's been

740
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 2: playing in the league that long, it takes four to six,

741
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 2: maybe even eight weeks when you have that massive overhaul

742
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 2: in your offense for the quarterback to get comfortable and

743
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 2: start hitting it the way that they want to see it.

744
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 2: It took him four weeks because from Week five on,

745
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 2: more quarterbacks and fantasy points. One more points per game

746
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 2: because there's buys in there. One more rushing touchdowns, one

747
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 2: more rushing than everything. It's Josh Allen, by the way,

748
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Speaker 2: for all of those over Trevor Lawrence, he was number two.

749
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Speaker 2: And that's why I want to argue that Trevor Lawrence

750
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Speaker 2: doesn't necessarily need to be too much higher. But I

751
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 2: put him in the tier above this because it took

752
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Speaker 2: for all this time that everybody wanted to see Trevor Lawrence.

753
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Speaker 2: Trevor Lawrence, Trevor Lawrence, are you generational talent? What happened

754
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 2: to you? Were ready to write off his career? Liam Cohen,

755
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 2: Liam Cohen, I don't know. Liam Cohen comes in and

756
00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 2: stalls his off back again into the I know, yeah,

757
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 2: I've been practicing, practicing. I can't do his very setting

758
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 2: to me, I'm the listener when it comes down to it,

759
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 2: we finally got with Trevor Lawrence kN do in the NFL.

760
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 2: And it's also why I brought up the rushing touchdowns

761
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 2: is because time and again what I was saying about

762
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 2: Trevor Lawrence, and when I say what I was saying,

763
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 2: that's not the victory lap. I've been wrong on people before,

764
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 2: but it's true about all quarterbacks. And this is why

765
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 2: I want to break it out for everybody out there.

766
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Speaker 2: Ones that can run. And I don't even mean like

767
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,000
Speaker 2: just fifty yards over a season, I mean like three,

768
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 2: four or five hundred yards like Baker Mayfield's best season

769
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 2: of the two past season and the best year to

770
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Speaker 2: his career. Bryce Young when he started playing somewhat well

771
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 2: Jacksonville these quarterbacks, and if you watched Trevor Lawrence at

772
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Speaker 2: Clemson when he ran, it was because he was comfortable,

773
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 2: because he was seeing the field and he said, you

774
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,479
Speaker 2: know what, it's not there, I'm taking off. He started

775
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 2: doing that with Jacksonville last year because he was comfortable,

776
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 2: because he was also hitting Parker Washington later in the season.

777
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 2: Jacoby Myers, Brian Thomas, as much as we bemoan him

778
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 2: on this show time and time and time again of

779
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Speaker 2: what happened to him after all the collection of talent there,

780
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Speaker 2: because it's Trevor Lawrence going back to Clemson. It's not

781
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 2: just the running, it's also getting those first and second

782
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,959
Speaker 2: reads out, hitting him quickly, getting them open, and then

783
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 2: getting the yards after the catch. And we saw the

784
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 2: Trevor Lawrence we had been waiting for us and he

785
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 2: was drafted, the generational talent that never fulfilled and now

786
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 2: nobody really wants him. And like that's why I'm okay

787
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 2: with him, because I have him in that tier just

788
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 2: above this at the end of it to be clear,

789
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 2: but I'm willing to wait on quarterback, even all the

790
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 2: guys that we've talked about so far, because it seems

791
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 2: like and I'm not saying I'm right, you're wrong, Joe,

792
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 2: It's just it seems like a lot of people have

793
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 2: your opinion too. It's like, eh, I don't know if

794
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 2: he can do it again. There's a lot of questions there.

795
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Speaker 2: So I'll be happy to take him in the mid

796
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Speaker 2: rounds as somebody who, by the way, over the entire

797
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 2: season finish this top five quarterback and we finally got

798
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Speaker 2: the Trevor Lawrence we wanted.

799
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Speaker 1: We did again. When you have a game, excuse me,

800
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Speaker 1: where you have for you know, three hundred and thirty

801
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 1: yards and five touchdowns, and game towards the end you

802
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 1: have a couple three touchdown performances, three of them actually

803
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: on top of that from week twelve on against some

804
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 1: lesser opponents too. Let's be honest. Arizona Cardinals, you're pounding

805
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 1: away on the Tennessee Titans in week eighteen. You know,

806
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 1: like there are some games there where you know and

807
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 1: the opponents. I do think the context matters. By the way,

808
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 1: speaking of context, you're correct, Jack Sealing Trevor Lawrence was

809
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,439
Speaker 1: QB one from week five and fantasy points per game

810
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Speaker 1: all the way to the end of the season. Do

811
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Speaker 1: you know who is number two? I guess guess Matthew

812
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 1: Stafford twenty one point nine. My argument here, which is

813
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 1: the MVP guy, the old fart Stafford, they'll get good.

814
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Speaker 1: Well do you do you fight your battle for you? You

815
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 1: wanted to choose your champion. I'm Matthew Stafford.

816
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Speaker 2: Let's let's throw out. Let's just throw out the forty

817
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:51,280
Speaker 2: four point game. Let's just it never happened. He scored

818
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,359
Speaker 2: zero that week. He's still QB seven and fantasy points

819
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Speaker 2: per game.

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Speaker 1: Fair. I'm not trying to say that Trevor Lawrence. Now

821
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Speaker 1: I'm Derek Brown on this show. I'm not saying Trevor

822
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: Lawrence can't be good. I'm saying I have concerns about

823
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: that second year. You know, sometimes you get that everything's new,

824
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 1: everything's clicking, you're feeling good about things, and they kind

825
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 1: of didn't have the expectations. I think expectations were low

826
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 1: because it was a transition year, and they outperformed their expectations.

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Speaker 2: Embrace happiness, Joe.

828
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Speaker 1: I want to embrace Candy Liam Jaguars.

829
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Speaker 3: And.

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Speaker 1: I think never has. You know what I did say

831
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Speaker 1: as a head coach, I had massive concerns about me

832
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 1: and I just want to see it. I also said

833
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: the same thing about Mike McDaniel as a head coach,

834
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 1: and everyone thought it was nuts, right, I say, he's

835
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 1: a great offensive mine head coach. I don't know. I

836
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 1: think it's gonna flame out. I think it's gonna burn

837
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: bright and flame out. I kind of feel like it

838
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 1: burned bright and flamed out. Now he's back in his wheelhouse,

839
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: all right, d bro, and there's your chance. I have

840
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 1: been waiting there with the bat to take a swing

841
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 1: at me on Matthew Stafford. So go ahead.

842
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Speaker 3: So the back issues are just not a worry for you, Joe.

843
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 1: Of course they are. But I mean years old with

844
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 1: the back issue coming off of here where he led

845
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: the league in passley and led the league in passing

846
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 1: yards and led the league of Pats touchdowns, and he

847
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 1: plays for Sean McVay and if he doesn't play us,

848
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,280
Speaker 1: we can snap in the preseason. Again, I ain't worried

849
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 1: about it now.

850
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 3: Okay, So we're not worried about the back issues. We're

851
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 3: also not worried about hold On. We're not worried about

852
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 3: Pooka Toakua's all field stuff or his ams. We're not

853
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 3: worried about DeVante adams injury issues and being another ear.

854
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 1: Can't we do this for every team? Can't we do

855
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 1: that for the Jaguars too? Can't we look at it?

856
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: Are we not worried that Brian Thomas is a non

857
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:33,879
Speaker 1: guy in this that we don't know? Can't so you're

858
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:37,240
Speaker 1: not worried that you're taking Travis Atn out of this offense?

859
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,879
Speaker 1: Excuse me hn out of this offense. Who was so

860
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:42,959
Speaker 1: important to this offense running last year.

861
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 3: But so recklessly inefficient on the ground that Travis atn

862
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 3: But that's the same we.

863
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 1: Call him inefficiently won. He had three hundred plus yards

864
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:55,719
Speaker 1: after uh after catch last season's totals, and that was

865
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 1: one of the top ten of the.

866
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 3: Least every single tackle breaking metric. I care about you,

867
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 3: and I'm telling you, Travis, he was one of the

868
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:02,840
Speaker 3: most inefficient running backs in the NFL. No, I'm not

869
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,360
Speaker 3: worried about him at all. Okay, but getting back to Stafford,

870
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 3: this offense is top heavy, incredibly top heavy. You're so

871
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,800
Speaker 3: worried about rock Party and the forty nine ers staying healthy.

872
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: But we're not.

873
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:15,919
Speaker 3: Worried about the Rams staying healthy. We're not worried about

874
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 3: Stafford staying healthy. We're not worried about a quarterback that

875
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 3: if you want to here, there's a difference.

876
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 1: Can I tell you what the difference is? Can I

877
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 1: tell you what the difference? Why? I want to address

878
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:26,240
Speaker 1: one because you're because you're throwing the I haven't even.

879
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:27,920
Speaker 3: Gotten to the lotatistical things outside of that.

880
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 1: But go ahead, sure, all right, well here here you go.

881
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 1: I want to I want to talk about this one

882
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 1: because yes, I'm worried equally about the forty nine ers.

883
00:37:34,120 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 1: And the difference is one of those two quarterbacks is

884
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: headed for the Hall of Fame. And if you give

885
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: that quarterback still that same system with whatever, he will

886
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 1: find way when he's almost forty, we're talking about age.

887
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford. That's one of the great quarterbacks in the

888
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 1: league have seen. And it's unfortunate they played most of

889
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: his career in Detroit, where people just didn't understand that.

890
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: But to compare him to brock Perty the ultimate system quarterback,

891
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:55,879
Speaker 1: who again I'm not taking shots, He's done a good

892
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: job in that role in that offense. But when you

893
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 1: can throw Mac Jones at that offense and it looks

894
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 1: just as efficient, color me unimpressed about brock Purty. So

895
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 1: the difference is brock Purty also a guy that's had

896
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 1: some injuries last year, who played more games last year.

897
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: By the way Rock Purty or Matthew Stafford is out

898
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 1: of curiosity. My conversation here is not pro Rock Party.

899
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 3: It's that you're dismissing the injury and the risks around

900
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 3: one player while talking about it with another player. They're

901
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 3: basically the same kind of thing. I'm not saying they're equivalent.

902
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 3: As far as talent. The Hall of Fame doesn't even

903
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 3: freaking matter to me. And outside of Stafford, so last

904
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 3: year he was QB four and Fantasy.

905
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:30,879
Speaker 1: Points per game.

906
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 3: By the way, I was in on Stafford last year,

907
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 3: so as I hior to that, QB twenty six, QB fourteen,

908
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 3: QB twenty eight, QB eleven, QB twenty one. So we

909
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,799
Speaker 3: want to pay for the MVP season, We're not going

910
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 3: to worry about that. We're not gonna worry Also about

911
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 3: the fact of last year, Joe, he said a career

912
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 3: high in passing touchdown rate with an insane seven point

913
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,320
Speaker 3: seven percent. His previous high was his first year with

914
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 3: the Rams of six point eight percent. Like all of

915
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 3: these things, scream, Matthew Stafford can be very good and

916
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,800
Speaker 3: still lead the Rams to the Promised Land if he

917
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 3: could stay healthy. But maybe it's not MB caliber, and

918
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 3: maybe it's not top five, and maybe it's not QB

919
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:15,960
Speaker 3: one status. That doesn't mean that he can't be good

920
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 3: in NFL talk and putting wins and all that kind

921
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:21,799
Speaker 3: of stuff. I love that you only went back to

922
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 3: the season we're in twenty twenty two. He only played

923
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 3: nine games. I went back all the way to the

924
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:26,319
Speaker 3: twenty twenty bro.

925
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 1: Q five where he threw for forty eight hundred yards

926
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 1: and forty one touchdowns. So let's not I mean, when

927
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence starts sniffing forty touchdown seasons, call me, call me,

928
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:38,840
Speaker 1: let me know how.

929
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 3: And outside of that year twenty four twenty six.

930
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 2: So this for you, for you, de bro, I like

931
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 2: this show. The seven point seven percent touchdown to a

932
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:52,800
Speaker 2: ten percentage in SAE. It's well, hold on, I'll go.

933
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 2: I'll give you some more for it. It's the sixth

934
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 2: highest in the past ten years, and of anybody who's

935
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 2: actually reached just seven, there's only been one quarterback who's

936
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 2: gone over seven percent the following season one that entire time. Nope,

937
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,839
Speaker 2: you want to go on to guess Joe Well, Russ

938
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 2: came close. Russ came close. Actually, so he's.

939
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 1: Always bought afficionc metric kind of a quarterback. Is that

940
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 1: we're looking at her.

941
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:23,280
Speaker 2: I'll give you a giant hint. We weren't even talking

942
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 2: about him until yesterday.

943
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: Oh, Aaron Rodgers.

944
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:31,879
Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers did in twenty twenty and twenty twenty one. Yeah,

945
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 2: another point one and then seven percent.

946
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, another old fart who knows how to play the court.

947
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 2: But even he he dropped from nine point one to

948
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:39,479
Speaker 2: seven the year after.

949
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 1: And look, I'm not trying to argue that Matthew Stafford

950
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 1: is a top five quarterback or even a top ten quarterback.

951
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 1: What I'm trying to argue is the point of this

952
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 1: notion that Trevor Lawrence has has turned a corner forever

953
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 1: and that now everything is just unshine and roses. Again,

954
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 1: go look at the context of the opponents, the games

955
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:57,880
Speaker 1: against the Cardinals, the games against the Jets, and the

956
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 1: games against the Tennessee Titans, and that span after Week

957
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 1: twelve had a huge matter upon all of those stats

958
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 1: and that big average jumping up, and if you want

959
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 1: to pretend like that's not important, all those teams that quit,

960
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 1: all the teams that really weren't playing for anything, I mean,

961
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 1: come on, like, let's let's not be super impressed that

962
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 1: everything's turned fantastic for Lawrence going forward. I hope it.

963
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 2: Does in Denver the wildcard game against Buffalo, like just

964
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:25,359
Speaker 2: like the numbers were still there.

965
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:30,399
Speaker 1: Look, I will I will continue to say that if

966
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 1: you press me next year for a QB, you know

967
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,800
Speaker 1: who's going to finish higher there, Matthew Stafford or Trevor Lawrence.

968
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:36,919
Speaker 1: I'll still put match.

969
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 2: I think here, I'll tell you my simplest version of

970
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 2: it is like I'm not super like it has to

971
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 2: be Lawrence or hey, it has to be Stafford. I

972
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 2: think my biggest takeaway is the floor for both if

973
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 2: they lose anything in the arm department, Lawrence still has

974
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 2: the legs. And that's where it comes down to.

975
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:52,839
Speaker 1: For me, and that is that might be the best

976
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 1: argument for it, that that might be the best argument

977
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,040
Speaker 1: for Trevor Lawrence and I accept that maybe the answer

978
00:41:58,080 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 1: is actually dak pressed.

979
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 3: And weapons, and that's the other weapons too.

980
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 1: When you get into this tier and you start to

981
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 1: look at Trevor Lawrence, brock Purdy, Matthew Stafford, Patrick Mahomes

982
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 1: coming off an injury too. I mean, we didn't really

983
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 1: get into Patrick Mahomes much. But again, so much of

984
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:16,360
Speaker 1: Patrick hohlmes value is unknown right now. Because here's the

985
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 1: very telling thing that I don't know if you guys

986
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 1: caught this this weekend on Mahomes, but I saw Andy

987
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 1: Reid interview. Did you guys catch Andy Reid interview that

988
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 1: he did? So they asked him about Steph, excuse me

989
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:29,839
Speaker 1: about Mahomes and he said, well, he's working, he's he's

990
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,800
Speaker 1: working so hard and it's amazing how hard this guy works. Now,

991
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 1: what I take that to mean is you and I,

992
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 1: all of us all know the same thing when a

993
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 1: guy is looking at week one, where they always say, well,

994
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 1: we're hoping he's back on the field for week one,

995
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 1: and we're looking, we're shooting for it, we're aiming for

996
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 1: a week That's all that they talk about. When a

997
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 1: guy is not. All they talk about is the other

998
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 1: thing which is he's working so hard and it's amazing

999
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 1: the progress he's made and all that stuff. So that

1000
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: to me tells me. That conversation we had on tailgate

1001
00:42:56,080 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 1: the other day, I was like, what about he's going

1002
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:00,359
Speaker 1: to start on the po go back and go back

1003
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:02,560
Speaker 1: and watch that show. Everybody on Tailgate NFL. We had

1004
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,319
Speaker 1: a great conversation about this. First four weeks. You can

1005
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 1: give mahomes off, give him the bye week, start him

1006
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 1: after that and just roll and hopefully he's healthy the

1007
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 1: rest of the time. And if you could just go

1008
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 1: two and two in those games, those first four games,

1009
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 1: there you go.

1010
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 2: There, you have it all.

1011
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:19,360
Speaker 1: Right, Let's get to this next tier here. Tier four

1012
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 1: a mixed bag here. This is more of the super

1013
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 1: flex tier that we're in here too. So Jared Goff

1014
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:28,839
Speaker 1: at sixteen, Kyler Murray fascinating value at seventeen to I'll

1015
00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 1: be honest with you, like, as a QB two, I'm fascinated,

1016
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 1: especially if QB one really goes my way in as

1017
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:35,800
Speaker 1: superflex and just kind of throw a don on Kyler

1018
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 1: Murray playing for his career with Justin Jefferson arguably the

1019
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 1: best wide receiver on the planet. Jordan Love eighteen, Malik

1020
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 1: Willis at nineteen, Tyler Schuck at twenty, Baker Mayfield at

1021
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 1: twenty one, c J Strout at twenty two, Sam Darnold

1022
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 1: at twenty three, Bryce Young and twenty four. Cam Ward

1023
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 1: at twenty five. I don't think anything's egregious here, but

1024
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 1: I do want to ask you this question here, Jake,

1025
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:57,479
Speaker 1: about Baker Mayfield. Because Baker Mayfield last year, first couple

1026
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:01,320
Speaker 1: weeks of the season, was leading the race, for injuries

1027
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 1: derailed him. Now we're looking at anario where he does

1028
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 1: have Mike Evans anymore. It's okay, we have Agbuca, but

1029
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 1: again a little bit of an unknown there. Chris Godwin's

1030
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 1: health is I feel like annually an unknown Bucky Irving's health.

1031
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 1: I do not like the trend of this. I got

1032
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 1: to tell you this that really is the big one

1033
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 1: that concerns me. Talk to me about Baker Mayfield. Is

1034
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:22,920
Speaker 1: this the guy that you think the stock is in

1035
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 1: a goodbye or a goodbye like audios? I don't want

1036
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,360
Speaker 1: to see it good bu.

1037
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 2: Why like I'm buying. I understand why he's all the

1038
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 2: way down here because we just basically saw his worst

1039
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 2: season in a while and I'm not expecting this is

1040
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:38,959
Speaker 2: another one. I'm pretty sure that bring it back Joe

1041
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 2: did it once already two years ago, is going to

1042
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 2: be anomalous. That's not going to be a year we

1043
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 2: ever see from him again. But at the same time,

1044
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 2: if he just repeats last year, we're still talking about

1045
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:51,399
Speaker 2: QB seventeen eighteen nineteen on any giving year, Like that's

1046
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 2: a route right around the range of those fantasy points

1047
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 2: per game. He's twenty one, so you're getting them below

1048
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 2: the floor where there's upside here where I really think

1049
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 2: it comes down to, Yeah, you mentioned the injuries, and

1050
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 2: it's everybody in this team like they were snake bitten

1051
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 2: last year, and it came down to wide receiver. Like

1052
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 2: offensive everybody dealt with injuries. And I'm looking at Zach

1053
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 2: Robinson coming in, and what do we know about Zach Robinson? Oh,

1054
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 2: that Sean McVay tree and some three wide Oh why

1055
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 2: do you draft ted Hurst when you have all these

1056
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 2: options and probably don't see a lot from ted Hurst

1057
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 2: until year three or whatever. But they already did it

1058
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 2: with McMillan. You were like, well, well, why do you

1059
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 2: keep drafting wide receivers because it's a very three wide

1060
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 2: heavy offense that you're going to see a lot of

1061
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:34,280
Speaker 2: the similarities from Sean McVay carried over from Zach Robinson.

1062
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:37,320
Speaker 2: You're gonna see Aguka Godwin McMillan down to Ted Hurst

1063
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 2: down to the other extraneous parts on this team. And

1064
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 2: I get what you're saying about Bucky every but I

1065
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 2: think that's why they signed kath Gamewell for insurance their purposes,

1066
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 2: but also a lot of pre snap motion in this offense.

1067
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:49,360
Speaker 2: And what do we know when we've proven over the

1068
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:51,919
Speaker 2: last couple of years in fantasy, especially when it comes

1069
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 2: to pre snap motion stock up when you're using pre

1070
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 2: snap motion for the quarterbacks and wide receivers. So I'm

1071
00:45:57,160 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 2: not saying go get Baker Mayfield super flex or as

1072
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:04,040
Speaker 2: your second quarterback to take that flyer on because he

1073
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 2: costs so little. He cost worse than his basically his floor,

1074
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 2: and you can get him for the upside of that.

1075
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 1: No.

1076
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 2: Top ten, maybe a little aggressive, but he did throw

1077
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 2: forty touchdowns or close to it or whatever it was

1078
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:18,359
Speaker 2: that year. But forty five hundred yards, he can get

1079
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 2: four thousand yards back to thirty touchdowns. He'll beat in

1080
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 2: the QB one conversation because he's even running a little

1081
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 2: bit more late in his career, which is kind of

1082
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 2: weird too.

1083
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 1: Yeah it is. I will say this, I will have

1084
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 1: a lot of kif gainwell this year. I'm just gonna

1085
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 1: be all over that early, especially best ball drafts. I

1086
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 1: think it's a good I think it's a good bye

1087
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 1: buy to Jake's.

1088
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 2: Forty one touchdowns. I just double checked that that I

1089
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 2: was forty on the nose.

1090
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:41,800
Speaker 1: Wow, you're an embarrassment to everyone. Let's talk about Malik Willis.

1091
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:43,720
Speaker 2: Has nothing to do with missing snats.

1092
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:47,319
Speaker 1: That's true. That's true. It's been way before that. Jake

1093
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 1: hearts love you, all right, Let's talk about Malik Willis

1094
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 1: here for a second, because this is one where the

1095
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:54,440
Speaker 1: stock was kind of soaring for a little while here,

1096
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 1: especially in the dicey leagues and all this stuff, and

1097
00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 1: then everybody started, like the harsh reality of the Dolphins

1098
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 1: rebuild I think really set into everybody, and now everybody

1099
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 1: in redraft leagues has to figure out, Okay, what is

1100
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 1: this value with him?

1101
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 3: Now?

1102
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 1: The good news is a chan got his money, so

1103
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 1: we're not having any holdout situations. Because that, to me

1104
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 1: was the biggest red flag. I was like, oh my god,

1105
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:15,840
Speaker 1: he holds out and he comes in late and he

1106
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 1: gets hurt. I don't know what the Dolphins are gonna

1107
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 1: be able to do, but talk to me about Milike

1108
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 1: Willis because I know everybody just loves the rushing up

1109
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 1: side of him. Is that enough at nineteen where you

1110
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:26,239
Speaker 1: want to move him up your tier here?

1111
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 3: Debro, Yes, that's essentially plenty enough. I mean we look

1112
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 3: at what Malik Willis done. Like again, we go back

1113
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 3: to the conversation we had earlier on this show. If

1114
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 3: he runs for seven, eight hundred, nine hundred yards, that's

1115
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 3: enough to vault him up. He should be in the

1116
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 3: tier higher than this. Like in six careers starts for

1117
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 3: Milik Willis, he's averaged forty four point eight rushing arts

1118
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 3: per game over the last three years. Amongst quarterbacks that

1119
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:52,799
Speaker 3: would rank first, fourth, and third. So, yes, he's gonna run.

1120
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 3: We know he's gonna run. If the weapons are better,

1121
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 3: the offensive line plays better than anybody's expecting, he should

1122
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 3: be higher than this. Rushing itself should make him a

1123
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 3: top fifteen quarterback. Jake, what are your thoughts.

1124
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 1: On Malik Willis, Because again, this Dolphins roster is just

1125
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 1: it's really tough from a fancy perspective to get excited

1126
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 1: about it. Plus it's a tough division, and you're looking

1127
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:15,879
Speaker 1: up at the Bills and the Pats, and I mean

1128
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 1: even to a certain extent, maybe you're looking up at

1129
00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 1: the Jets at this point too. Jets had a pretty

1130
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:21,880
Speaker 1: solid draft. What are you thoughts on Malik Willis. Do

1131
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 1: you think the rushing equity is that enough regardless in

1132
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:27,240
Speaker 1: fantasy or do you think that's just the only dimension

1133
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 1: to the game and it might not be enough for

1134
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:30,839
Speaker 1: him to kind of move up from this tier.

1135
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 2: The rushings added dimension to the game. But that's why

1136
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,320
Speaker 2: it's a worthy flyer because and we don't need to

1137
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 2: run him down because we've been sitting here all day.

1138
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 2: But if you just look at Malik Willis's sample, and

1139
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 2: it's a super small sample, so some of those are

1140
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 2: going to get skewed, But he does check out in

1141
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 2: a lot of metrics and he's actually near to the

1142
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 2: top of the league and some of the big play

1143
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 2: throws and stuff like that. The biggest question that you

1144
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 2: said is I think Bobby Slowick calling plays potentially like

1145
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:54,320
Speaker 2: it sounds like that's what's going to happen is that

1146
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 2: that's a question mark two. We saw that how well

1147
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:58,439
Speaker 2: it worked with the Texans. But all that being said

1148
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 2: is like there's been some good, there's been some bad.

1149
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 2: There's been some good, and there's been some good bad

1150
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 2: from Malik Willis. But I think the bigger takeaway from

1151
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:06,839
Speaker 2: him as a player is that this is what needed

1152
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 2: to happen. He needed to sit in the league and

1153
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 2: learn that he was We're all coming out of liberty.

1154
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 2: There was a lot of to like from him, and

1155
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 2: there's a lot of aspects of everything. There's aspects of

1156
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 2: the talent from him, the talent on the roster and

1157
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 2: from Bobby Slowick. Are we gonna get the goods? Are

1158
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:21,760
Speaker 2: we gonna get all the bads? And potentially just blows

1159
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 2: up in our face, But down this far down the

1160
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:26,879
Speaker 2: list to take you get the added Russia dimension, where

1161
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 2: if he just can be a capable quarterback, then yeah,

1162
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:31,759
Speaker 2: I think it's worth the flyer. The biggest question, like

1163
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:33,400
Speaker 2: you said, I think it just comes down to is

1164
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 2: his number one potentially Caleb Douglas, who I think we

1165
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 2: were all shocked by how hi he was drafted.

1166
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 1: Last tier here. This is just kind of the fun tier.

1167
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:44,840
Speaker 1: This is the third quarterbacks kind of scenario. So Daniel

1168
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 1: Jones at twenty six, obviously unknown there with the injury return.

1169
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 1: Jacoby Brissett again, pretty good season from him. He's got

1170
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 1: a lot of weapons, he's got the job. I'm not

1171
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:54,800
Speaker 1: really worried about Carson back, to be honest. Fernando Mendoza

1172
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:57,319
Speaker 1: twenty eight. Eventually take that job over. Gino Smith at

1173
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 1: twenty nine. Eventually he'll give that job up. Michael Pennix

1174
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 1: at thirty, Shad Door Sanders at thirty one, to a

1175
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:05,440
Speaker 1: tongue of I low at thirty two. So you got

1176
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 1: your QB battlers down here, along with Aaron Rodgers, Ty

1177
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 1: Simpson at thirty four. Again, that's a break glass and

1178
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 1: I'm still not sold on that. Kirk Cousins, Deshaun Watson,

1179
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 1: and JJ McCarthy, which is if everything falls apart for

1180
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:21,280
Speaker 1: the Vikings. So Debro talk to me about the Brown

1181
00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 1: situation here, because it is another year where the Brown

1182
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:27,359
Speaker 1: situation at quarterback is a question mark, a big back

1183
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 1: question mark. Deshaun Watson still getting paid. Shador Sanders did

1184
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 1: show you, you know a little bit last year and

1185
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 1: some spurts, so what's your take on this Brown's QB situation.

1186
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 1: Is there a guy here that you think has some

1187
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 1: maybe lower red and rent super flex appeal.

1188
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 3: Yes, I want to be drafting Shouldar Sanders a ton

1189
00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 3: this year if he wins that job. I mean, we

1190
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 3: just talked about, like the Browns kind of ace the offseason.

1191
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 3: They aced the draft. They added Casey Kcepsi on Denzel

1192
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 3: Boston to Jerry Judy, Harold Fannon, a rebuilt offensive line

1193
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 3: that he might actually have clean pockets to throw from

1194
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 3: if he wins this job. In the seven starts that

1195
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:07,839
Speaker 3: Shudrew Sanders had last year, he was pressured at the

1196
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:11,359
Speaker 3: third highest rate in the league on fifty point four

1197
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:14,360
Speaker 3: percent of his dropbacks. When he had time and he

1198
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 3: was able to uncork the deep ball, he was really

1199
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 3: freaking good amongst twenty six qualifying quarterbacks least fifteen deep

1200
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 3: ball attempts guys, third highest accurate throw rate, thirteenth at

1201
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 3: catch auble target rate, the influx of weapons, the blocking

1202
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:32,400
Speaker 3: help on the in front of him. If the Browns

1203
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 3: can field an improved offense, which I think they can,

1204
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 3: and he wins this job, Shouldar Sanders could be a

1205
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:39,439
Speaker 3: fantastic QB three for super flex leagues.

1206
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:44,920
Speaker 1: Jake only one quarterback in this grouping. If you look

1207
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 1: from weeks one through ten was a top ten Fantasy quarterback.

1208
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 1: He had twenty points per game on average. It's Daniel Jones.

1209
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 1: The question, oh, here the giant injury and as the

1210
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:01,800
Speaker 1: now president facto of the Daniel Jones Van Club, because

1211
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 1: I hate Derek Brown and he's made me into this

1212
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:08,879
Speaker 1: Daniel Daniel Jones. It's time I hate myself for loving you,

1213
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:13,799
Speaker 1: yet we're friends. So Daniel Jones is a big unknown.

1214
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:17,920
Speaker 1: The question is at this current ADP, in this current ranking,

1215
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:19,719
Speaker 1: is he intriguing to you or is it just stay

1216
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 1: away based on the injury.

1217
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 2: So Joe knows me long enough to know when I

1218
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 2: said goodbye to the Giants and I was already tired

1219
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:31,359
Speaker 2: of the Giants, and then they drafted Daniel Jones and said,

1220
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 2: you know what, I'm going to give him one year

1221
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 2: to prove me wrong, and they didn't, and I said,

1222
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 2: I'm out of here. I'm done with this organization. Fortunately,

1223
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:39,799
Speaker 2: it looks like they got their heads on right in

1224
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 2: the front office and we might be turning the corner

1225
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:43,840
Speaker 2: here not saying we as in we is in.

1226
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 1: Oh, you're back in the Giants, all that royal.

1227
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:53,360
Speaker 2: We are turning the corner for being supportive of that team,

1228
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 2: as in, like what now, I will never call myself

1229
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 2: any part of that. They have to they have to

1230
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:57,680
Speaker 2: ask me.

1231
00:52:57,640 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 1: To come back anyway you believe it.

1232
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:02,840
Speaker 2: Back to my friend, I'm saying, we've gone so far, Joe,

1233
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 2: Like I was the Daniel Jones hater coming out of college,

1234
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:07,279
Speaker 2: I was the Daniel Jones hater in NFL. I was

1235
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 2: Daniel Jones Daniels and now I've come full circle and

1236
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:12,400
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, I'm the one supporting Daniel Jones because.

1237
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:14,480
Speaker 1: The two starest people in the room. Look at this.

1238
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 2: Heading into the game he got hurt, he was QB

1239
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 2: eight and Fantasy points per game like you're the entire season.

1240
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 2: Until he got hurt, he was QB eight Fantasy ports

1241
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 2: per game. I'm not I'm not a Daniel Jones lover, Like,

1242
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:30,760
Speaker 2: let's make that clear, right, But same thing, he's going

1243
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:33,359
Speaker 2: to run. More importantly, he's not running as much as

1244
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:34,799
Speaker 2: he used to when he got that seven hundred yards,

1245
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:36,879
Speaker 2: but he's running where support and that's near the goal

1246
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 2: line with Jonathan Taylor because that takes so much away

1247
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 2: from the attention for Daniel Jones that it's the lesser

1248
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 2: version of Jalen Hurts is like, Hey, guess what you're

1249
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 2: gonna focus on this? Well, we're gonna take the advantage

1250
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 2: of Daniel Jones going to go this way, so you stillt.

1251
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 1: To surprise like the ex Eagles coordinator who does that

1252
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 1: was shot?

1253
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:57,360
Speaker 2: Think there you go on this point there, So just

1254
00:53:57,400 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 2: capable pass catcher, which we're gonna do the wide receiver

1255
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:01,840
Speaker 2: show later this week and I'm on it, and I

1256
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 2: actually think that Josh Downs is in triggering number two

1257
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 2: because he is now the number two with Alec Pierce.

1258
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 2: Tyler Warren is. People forgot how excited everybody was for

1259
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 2: Tyler Warren last year. He has weapons, he has a team.

1260
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:14,839
Speaker 2: The biggest question you said at the top, Joe does

1261
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:18,239
Speaker 2: he have health? And then we're doing this now in May,

1262
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 2: like obviously we have time to adjust on Jackson, Dart Malik, Neighbors,

1263
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:24,399
Speaker 2: Cam Scattaboo, Daniel Jones. We could go down the list.

1264
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 2: We have time to adjust Bucky Irving you brought him

1265
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 2: up earlier. There will be information that we get, but

1266
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 2: as of today in May, for him to be down here,

1267
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:35,560
Speaker 2: assuming he's ready for Week one, is egregious. No matter

1268
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:37,279
Speaker 2: if you hate him or love him, he should at

1269
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:38,680
Speaker 2: least be in the mid teens.

1270
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:41,440
Speaker 1: That's all I've been trying to say, Jake Seely, and

1271
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 1: thank you so much for saying it so elegantly and

1272
00:54:44,239 --> 00:54:48,239
Speaker 1: elegantly and putting it in the perfect context, which is,

1273
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:51,800
Speaker 1: I don't want to be this guy, but everyone's forcing

1274
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 1: me to be this guy. And at least I know

1275
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:55,759
Speaker 1: I'm not on an island by myself. So we're gonna

1276
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 1: leave on this high note where Jake Ceely and I

1277
00:54:57,560 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 1: are holding hands. We could be like, you know, when

1278
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:01,320
Speaker 1: the parents lift the little kid in between them and

1279
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones, that could be us. That'll probably help his

1280
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:04,600
Speaker 1: leg toos come.

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