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Speaker 1: back to Coast to Coast George Nori with you with

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Speaker 1: our special guest Robert Barthelome you the doctor. Robert, Let's

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Speaker 1: get back into this appearance. Sonic attack. Now, in your

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Speaker 1: conclusions on this and so the staff members about the

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Speaker 1: two dozen got bombarded or something at their homes, how

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Speaker 1: do you think? Well, first of all, let me ask

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Speaker 1: you this, are you convinced something happy into them? Yes,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure it's it's like bigfoot in UFOs. Most people

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Speaker 1: are honest, sincere people, and they're not lying to question

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Speaker 1: is what is it that they saw or thought they saw?

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Speaker 1: And here what is it that they're experiencing and what

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Speaker 1: caused it? And for me, the problem is and the

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Speaker 1: mystery is, most of these symptoms are not associated with

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Speaker 1: sound waves. I mean, in the past twenty four hours,

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Speaker 1: I've had fatigue, headaches, and problems concentrating. I mean that

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Speaker 1: there's three of the symptoms right there, right there. You're

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Speaker 1: getting bombarded right um. And there's never been a case

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Speaker 1: reported in the literature linking sound waves with damage to

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Speaker 1: white matter tracks in the brain or brain injury. In general.

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Speaker 1: The main symptoms of acoustical weapons are anxiety, irritation, and

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Speaker 1: sometimes nausea, um and and so basically there's three types

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Speaker 1: of ways to weaponize sound. The first one is really

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Speaker 1: loud noise, and police departments like the New York Police

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Speaker 1: Department has used sound cannons for years. The Navy has

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Speaker 1: used these sound cannons to ward off boats that could

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Speaker 1: be carrying explosives or hijackers. And basically it's just really

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Speaker 1: loud noise projected like with a flashlight beam. In the

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Speaker 1: Philippines recently, there is a riot that broke out in

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Speaker 1: the police were able to get control by bombarding the

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Speaker 1: people with very loud Katy Perry music. I'm not sure

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Speaker 1: how she felt about that, but and so basically that

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Speaker 1: that's one of the three loud noise UM and then

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Speaker 1: the other two are infrasound. In ultrasound, sound waves that

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Speaker 1: are below the huge human hearing at twenty hurts is

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Speaker 1: known as infrasound, and the problem with that is it's

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Speaker 1: very difficult to weaponize because it's very difficult to focus

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Speaker 1: the wave lengths and the laws of nature don't bode

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Speaker 1: well for infrasound. The symptoms again would be anxiety and

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Speaker 1: irritation UM and sometimes nausea. And then you go the

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Speaker 1: other way, you go above twenty thou hurts. That's ultrasound.

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Speaker 1: And the problem there is those waves dissipate very rapidly

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Speaker 1: with distance, and if you were to have an ultrasonic

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Speaker 1: difficult to target an individual inside. And so really the

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Speaker 1: facts are the facts, and the laws of physics are

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Speaker 1: the laws of physics, at least in UM. There's no

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Speaker 1: evidence that sound waves can cause white matter changes or concussions.

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Speaker 1: So there's something else going on besides a sonic attack

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Speaker 1: in Cuba. My question is why the Trump administration would

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Speaker 1: come out and accuse the Cubans of engaging in a

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Speaker 1: sonic attack when these symptoms are not symptoms of a

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Speaker 1: sonic attack. To me, that's the real mystery. Well, that's

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Speaker 1: that's a good point. Now, based on what you know

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Speaker 1: be mass suggestion. But they never they haven't. I'm very suspicious.

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Speaker 1: And you might think, well, why would they do that. Well,

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Speaker 1: but there is this folklore that is well known among

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Speaker 1: it in my pocket. Who might be behind it? Is

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Speaker 1: I mean you have to be careful here. Look, I'm

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Speaker 1: why would we do that we wanted to have good

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Speaker 1: something like that to our own people? Well, you know,

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Speaker 1: back in the fift they did biological testing over Navy

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Speaker 1: cruise ships. They tested people, you know, I mean St.

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Speaker 1: Louis right now, Roberts, and they tested people in St.

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Speaker 1: Louis with biological So who who knows? You know, you're

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Speaker 1: absolutely right, George, You're absolutely right, and you know you're right,

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Speaker 1: you would Robert. And you know, I always tell myself

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Speaker 1: and you're gonna have all kinds of noises going on,

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Speaker 1: and and there's all if you've been to keep it,

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of cicadas and crickets, um, so it

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