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Speaker 1: All right, welcome to Hoops Tonight. You're at the volume.

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Speaker 1: Happy Thursday, everybody, It is Phoenix Suns Day. Here at

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Speaker 1: Hoops Tonight. We have Brendan Klean from Lockdown Suns coming

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Speaker 1: on to talk all things Phoenix Suns. And we have

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Speaker 1: no place that we could start other than the catastrophe

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Speaker 1: of a call that we had at the end of

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Speaker 1: the game on Tuesday. So what I want to do here,

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Speaker 1: Brendan to keep this fun because I like I prefer

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Speaker 1: to talk basketball, and honestly, my biggest takeaway from that

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Speaker 1: call was that it ruined what was a very good

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Speaker 1: basketball game, and that, to me, is what we're going

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Speaker 1: But obviously we have to talk about it, so I

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Speaker 1: want to do it debate style. So here's the deal. Brendan,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna kick it to you, and I want to

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Speaker 1: give me I want you to give me your take

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Speaker 1: on the bad call, and then I'll give you mine,

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Speaker 1: and then we're gonna move the hell on. Does that

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Speaker 1: sound like a plan?

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Speaker 2: That sounds great? I'm in Look, the timeout doesn't go

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Speaker 2: through the league does not defend the last two minute report,

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Speaker 2: defend the call in the last two minute report. If

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Speaker 2: Lebron James is not the one calling that time out,

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Speaker 2: that's my number one observation from anything that happened. If

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Speaker 2: it's Cam Reddish going like this in all the screenshots

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Speaker 2: that are going viral, maybe they get it in real time.

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Speaker 2: Maybe it's turned over right away, maybe the next day.

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Speaker 2: The last two minute report says Cam was going crazy.

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Speaker 2: That's not a time out. You know, we made the mistake.

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Speaker 2: Move on, but it was Lebron James. So they get

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Speaker 2: the time out, they get the win, and now they're

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Speaker 2: in the NBA Cup. I'm not doing scripted, I'm not

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Speaker 3: But Lebron has some sway. That's all that I That's

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Speaker 1: It was a bad call, and like my thing is

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Speaker 1: don't agree with framing it as though that essentially robbed

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Speaker 1: The Lakers have outscored them forty one to twenty five.

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Speaker 2: It was a tale of two halves, right, I mean,

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Speaker 3: But in that first half, you would have thought none

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Speaker 2: They're dropping the ball everywhere, Booker does not look like

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Speaker 2: The Lakers shot worse from the field than the first

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Speaker 1: Yeah, specifically with matchups like the Lakers and the Nuggets,

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Speaker 3: It's one of those.

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Speaker 1: But then in the margins of the game, just bully

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Speaker 1: main thing in these matchups that I worry about, Like

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Speaker 1: In all three of these matchups, however, consistently, they've been

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Speaker 1: to you. Sons are twelve to nine, seventh in the

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Speaker 1: Devin Booker and Bradley Beal can take over a larger

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Speaker 1: portion of the offensive load, especially with how well Kevin

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Speaker 1: Durant's been shooting the ball from three this year. My god,

436
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Speaker 1: like he's like every time he goes up for that shot,

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Speaker 1: I feel like it's going in. And so honestly, like,

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Speaker 1: I like the point you made about the center position

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Speaker 1: because I think this team does need a KD at center. Look,

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Speaker 1: and I think what unlocks it is just and NA

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Speaker 1: see your little is an example of a player that

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Speaker 1: you can put a high motor athlete at the four.

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Speaker 1: But I don't know if it's gonna have to be

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Speaker 1: a guy that they look at at the in the

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Speaker 1: buyout market or somebody in the in the trade market.

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Speaker 1: But ideally I would view a version of this team

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Speaker 1: where you have Bradley bil Devin Booker, Kevin Durant, probably

448
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Speaker 1: someone like Eric Gordon because he's a good switch defender,

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Speaker 1: and then another big athlete at the four, and then

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Speaker 1: you basically have a switch lineup and then in that group,

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Speaker 1: essentially the idea is is you have so much offensive

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Speaker 1: skill on the floor you can make them pay on

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Speaker 1: the other end. I mean, we just saw this last

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Speaker 1: night with the Clipper and the Nuggets, and twice now

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Speaker 1: since the James Harden trade, the've gave the Nuggets some

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Speaker 1: issues despite a gigantic gap in size, just because of

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Speaker 1: what they can do on the other end, like on defense,

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Speaker 1: containing on the perimeter, but on the other end spreading

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Speaker 1: so I like, I guess that's a good lead lead

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Speaker 1: Suns will make a mid season trade of any kind?

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Speaker 2: Obviously, people know how little they have to give up,

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Speaker 2: you know, that's that's baked in here. However, a few

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Speaker 2: things tell me that they absolutely will try to make a.

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Speaker 3: Trade, one being they did these.

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Speaker 2: Weird NFL style deals in the off season to get

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Speaker 2: themselves some ammunition some seconds, which is, you know, we'll

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Speaker 2: see how far that can get you. Last deadline that

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Speaker 2: got you like j Crowder, Ruey Hachimura. Okay, you know,

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Speaker 2: maybe you feel better about you know, hitting a gold

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Speaker 2: mine there. But they wouldn't have done that if they

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Speaker 2: didn't think that they could get something. The other part

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Speaker 2: of this is Mattichbia hasn't gone like I feel like

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Speaker 2: right now we're in the middle of how long the

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Speaker 2: law longest stretch, Matti Shbia has gone without doing something dramatic.

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Speaker 2: You haven't seen his name in a headline right now

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Speaker 2: in longer than any time since he bought the team,

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Speaker 2: and it's only been ten months.

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Speaker 3: Since he bought the team.

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Speaker 2: So if there's any hole to be filled, if there

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Speaker 2: is any deal to be had, I think that he

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Speaker 2: will make it. It's just part of their problem with

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Speaker 2: trades right now. One obviously being you know, the stars

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Speaker 2: are untouchable. Those are a portion of their big salary players.

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Speaker 2: Most everybody else is on minimums. The only three guys

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Speaker 2: who aren't on minimums are the three players who just

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Speaker 2: came back in the DeAndre Ayton trade, Little Alan and Nurkic,

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Speaker 2: who are all playing a pretty significant role. And if

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Speaker 2: you're getting rid of them, you're probably creating another question

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Speaker 2: mark for yourself too. So it's going to be stacking

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Speaker 2: minimums and second round picks and hoping you can land

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Speaker 2: a seventh or eighth ninth man. Like maybe I could

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Speaker 2: see how that could happen, But is that guy gonna

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Speaker 2: win you a championship?

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Speaker 3: I'm not too sure.

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Speaker 1: Is it the big foward that you think they'd be

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Speaker 1: targeting and specific type of trade, yeah, big forward?

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Speaker 2: I think you know, maybe as a buyout player, they

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Speaker 2: pursue another center. You know they have Adoka as a

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Speaker 2: booky on a two way. I don't think he's somebody

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Speaker 2: who's Gonna. He hasn't even played even when they've kind

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Speaker 2: of needed that. So it's not going to be him.

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Speaker 2: I know, you know NBA fans wanted to be Bull Bull.

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Speaker 2: It's not going to be bull Bull. So yeah, probably

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Speaker 2: some more size at whatever spot they can get it.

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Speaker 1: Who is the clubhouse leader for the fifth starter slash closer?

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Speaker 1: Because if we accept that their core five for traditional

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Speaker 1: center lineup is going to be a core four, I

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Speaker 1: should say is Devin Booker, Bradley bil, Kevin Durant, Yusef Nurkic.

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Speaker 1: Who's going to be the fifth guy you think when

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Speaker 1: everyone's healthy.

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Speaker 2: As much as Grayson Allen has made a case for himself.

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Speaker 2: You talk about how well Kevin Durant shooting from three,

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Speaker 2: Grayson Allen is also lit it up. He's also one

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Speaker 2: of the more confident guys. So when we talk about

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Speaker 2: the extra help that teams are sending at the star players,

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Speaker 2: Allen has been You saw it in that three quarter

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Speaker 2: run against the Lakers. He's been the guy who's like,

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Speaker 2: kind of, I got this, but I just don't think

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Speaker 2: he's big enough. I think his defense may have been

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Speaker 2: helped a little bit by playing next to Gianni Santakumpo

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Speaker 2: and Brook Lopez. Maybe that that reputation preceded him a

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Speaker 2: little bit, so I don't think it'll be him. My

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Speaker 2: answer is Plan A is probably going to be Eric Gordon,

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Speaker 2: and you saw it against the Lakers.

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Speaker 3: They can at.

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Speaker 2: Least get away with Gordon starting games against somebody like

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Speaker 2: Lebron James. You know, is that going to be you know,

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Speaker 2: two of twelve shooting night because Eric Gordon just locks

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Speaker 2: him up. No, but he's big enough. You mentioned his

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Speaker 2: switch ability, and he executes, he's a veteran, he's trustworthy,

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Speaker 2: all that stuff. I think that that's gonna be the

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Speaker 2: guy that they start out keeping that it's going to

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Speaker 2: just be a more traditional lineup. I think the other

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Speaker 2: answer would just be whichever of Little and Kate Batestiat

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Speaker 2: makes threes better? You know, which one of them in

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Speaker 2: a series, in a game is number one confident taking

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Speaker 2: open shots, which so far it's been Little who actually

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Speaker 2: will take those baits? D up is very hesitant, tries

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Speaker 2: to drive, ends up turning the ball over, throwing up

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Speaker 2: a floater, and it has not been pretty. And obviously

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Speaker 2: which one makes the most of those three? So I

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Speaker 2: guess right now it would be Gordon one, little two

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Speaker 2: Baits d Op three. But I actually don't feel any

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Speaker 2: closer to answering that question than I did at the

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Speaker 2: beginning of the season. If you had asked me on

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Speaker 2: like October fifteenth, I would have said that exact same thing.

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Speaker 2: So I don't think that's a great sign.

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Speaker 1: Well again, it's so hard to really make that call

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Speaker 1: until you see what Bradley Beal can help you with.

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Speaker 1: Because we talked earlier about Kevin Durant and all of

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Speaker 1: the things that he can do as a Swiss Army

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Speaker 1: knife to help when the team is healthy. Bradley Beal's

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Speaker 1: like one of the best athletes at the two guard

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Speaker 1: position that we have in the league. Like we've talked

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Speaker 1: all off season about how he could kind of apply

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Speaker 1: some more rim pressure for a team that needs rim pressure. Offensively,

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Speaker 1: He's one of those guys too where he's never in

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Speaker 1: recent years, he hasn't devoted resources in this manner, but

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Speaker 1: he can be a deeply impactful point of attack defenders.

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Speaker 1: He's got that type of athletic tool like, he's got

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Speaker 1: those tools. So I do think like until you see

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Speaker 1: the team in this version, it's hard to make that call. However,

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Speaker 1: here's the data. We have one hundred and forty five

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Speaker 1: minutes of KD Devin Booker, use Off Nurkic, and Grayson

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Speaker 1: Allen and the plus fourteen net. That's solid. A Kogi's

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Speaker 1: another guy that's been thrown into this list. Sixty eight

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Speaker 1: minutes of Durant, Booker, Nurkic, and a Kog minus point

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Speaker 1: three net. Started the season hot shooting and is immediately

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Speaker 1: tanked from there. I have enjoyed Josha Kogi just in general,

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Speaker 1: just as a wrecking ball athlete though crashing the offensive glass.

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Speaker 2: He's an incredible offensive He's a regular season player, right,

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Speaker 2: He's a regular season player, And I think it's like

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Speaker 2: the things that gets lost with the Kogie because I'm

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Speaker 2: sure a lot of fans who tune into the Suns

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Speaker 2: are going to sit there and be like, this dude

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Speaker 2: makes plays constantly.

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Speaker 3: He's a great defender. Why would it not be him.

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Speaker 2: He creates turnovers, he does a lot of the things

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Speaker 2: that they need, rebounding everything else. It's not just that

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00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 2: the shot isn't there. And he's also a guy who

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Speaker 2: says to shoot. He's not a great finisher and he

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Speaker 2: doesn't have great feel when he gets the ball in

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Speaker 2: his hands. So it's like, if you force him to

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Speaker 2: shoot and he doesn't shoot well, the backup plan for

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Speaker 2: an offensive player beyond that attack could close out, keep

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Speaker 2: the ball moving, try to get to the basket. None

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Speaker 2: of that really is in his game either. So I

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Speaker 2: think that's what you're starting to find out the longer

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Speaker 2: that he plays with this team. And we saw it

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Speaker 2: last year in the playoffs. He started the postseason out

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Speaker 2: of the rotation, even against the Clippers, So I don't

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Speaker 2: think it'll be him.

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Speaker 1: That's a great point because like so many, so many times,

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Speaker 1: when we get into these situations, like you see a

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Speaker 1: lot in trademark, like a round trade season, that some

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Speaker 1: team will be like.

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Speaker 3: Oh, we should go after this guy.

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Speaker 1: He's thirty nine percent from three, And it's like, literally,

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Speaker 1: that's such a basic part of playing off the ball

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Speaker 1: that there's so much more that goes into it, specifically

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Speaker 1: that ability to not be a ball stopper, to make

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Speaker 1: quick decisions, to be able to read a close out

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Speaker 1: and to rip the right direction and then to make

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Speaker 1: another quick read as the defense reacts to you, Like

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Speaker 1: there are off ball slashers that generate rim pressure. That's

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Speaker 1: an important piece of it, right, Like that's the thing

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Speaker 1: that I expect Beale to do a lot in off

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Speaker 1: ball situations too, just like slashing off the catch, you know.

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Speaker 1: And to that point, like if if a cog slashes

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Speaker 1: off the catch and he can't make a layup or

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Speaker 1: make a read, then it doesn't really matter, like like

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Speaker 1: how good of an opportunity you set him up with.

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Speaker 1: And so I think that's reflected by the way in

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Speaker 1: the net rating as they've been outscored in those minutes.

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Speaker 1: The third line up there one hundred and sixteen minutes

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Speaker 1: of Durant Booker, nurk Echen, Eric Gordon plus sixteen net rating.

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Speaker 1: That to me, I lean towards Eric Gordon too. And

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Speaker 1: the main reason why is he just he is your

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Speaker 1: best combination of like physical attributes that can impact winning

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Speaker 1: in the margins of the game while also being a

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Speaker 1: plus offensive player. I actually prefer Grayson Allen as an

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Speaker 1: offensive player. I think he's a better read and react

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Speaker 1: guy than Eric Gordon. I think Eric Gordon get a

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Speaker 1: little tunnel vision sometimes it can co op some possessions.

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Speaker 1: He could take some shots where you're like, my goodness,

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Speaker 1: you know, what I mean. But at the same time,

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Speaker 1: like just in terms of defending at the point of attack,

647
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 1: defending bigger wings, switchability, Eric Gordon to me just kind

648
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 1: of fits that mold better. I think he makes the

649
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 1: most sense. That said, Like, if you were to go

650
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 1: into a series against like I mean, we could talk

651
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 1: about the Lakers as an example because of Lebron, but

652
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,719
Speaker 1: against any team that has a big scoring wing, they

653
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 1: don't really have a good defender to throw at a

654
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 1: wing score in terms of like a good combination of

655
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 1: size and athleticism and mobility and so's that to me

656
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 1: is like the spot that you would in theory look

657
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 1: to upgrade right at some point before the.

658
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 2: Deadline, I mean, what's funny? And you know we had

659
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 2: to say his name at some point. Is one of

660
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 2: the things I was excited about in the iteration of

661
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 2: the team we thought we were getting here in Phoenix

662
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 2: until like two weeks before the season. Is talk about

663
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 2: stubbornness with Monty Williams and adaptability that you hope Frank

664
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 2: Vogel would have kind of was hoping we would see

665
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 2: deandret and get chances on some of those guys, not

666
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 2: necessarily Lebron, but you know, to bring up another enemy

667
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 2: of the Phoenix Suns from even longer ago, Janni Sante

668
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 2: Tocumpo and players like that who Yana who Deandreton got

669
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 2: chances on, but not as far as being a whole

670
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 2: part of the game plan.

671
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 3: But it's not gonna happen.

672
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:20,719
Speaker 2: He plays for the Portland Trail Blazers, So yeah, they

673
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 2: don't have an answer there. Nesir Little is not quite

674
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 2: as strong and big as you would necessarily think when

675
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 2: you look at him, because he's pretty short for a

676
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:32,479
Speaker 2: four and just doesn't have the heft of you know,

677
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 2: a Lebron James Ayiannis type of guy. But you know,

678
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 2: every tiam has weaknesses. I think that they can kind

679
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 2: of scheme around that and outscore their way to it.

680
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 2: But yeah, to your point about the offense on Gordon

681
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 2: and Allen, Allen is a perfect Durant Booker teammate, right,

682
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 2: like the way that they want to play up and down,

683
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 2: like those Utah Jazz games, the doubleheader that they played

684
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 2: where the games are just in the one twenties one

685
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 2: to thirties. One of them was an nd season tournament

686
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 2: game was a perfect encapsulation of how Booker and Durant

687
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 2: want to flow when they're at their best. Durant got

688
00:33:00,880 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 2: to that with Kyrie a lot of times. You've seen

689
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 2: it over and over. Alan fits beautifully into that on

690
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 2: offense because he's more of a threat all over the court.

691
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 2: He's a little bit better of a passer. Gordon is

692
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 2: more of a one read passer. He can throw an

693
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 2: entry pass, he can drive and kick, but he's not

694
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 2: a dynamic playmaker for teammates, reading the defense and manipulating

695
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 2: and all that stuff. But to your point, I think defensively,

696
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 2: he probably just fits the best of what they have

697
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 2: right now.

698
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's where I look like you had mentioned stacking

699
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 1: veteran minimums. There are veteran minimums on this roster that

700
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: I think other teams would be interested in. Like, there

701
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 1: are so many teams out there desperately looking for shooting

702
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: and you don't want Nobbies kind of ended up being

703
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 1: a little bit of the odd man out for this group.

704
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 1: And like he's the example of a guy where like

705
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 1: there's probably an athlete buried on a roster somewhere that

706
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Speaker 1: a team would like to convert into more of a

707
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 1: shooting threat. Right, Like, I think these kinds of moves

708
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 1: can be made on the margins, and specifically when you

709
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,080
Speaker 1: have the top bend talent, it makes the game so

710
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: easy in a lot of ways. And to me, like

711
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 1: that is a small achievable role to be the three

712
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:11,279
Speaker 1: that slots between Biel and Booker, Kadi and Nurkic. That

713
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,760
Speaker 1: is an easy role compared to other threes around the league.

714
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 1: There are way harder versions of that position to play like.

715
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 1: And so from that standpoint, like I think, I think,

716
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Speaker 1: I think a lot of times we see around the NBA,

717
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 1: UH you'll see a player that is in a role

718
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 1: where they're kind of asked to overachieve and they can fail.

719
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 1: And so I think as long as they're they're they're

720
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 1: patient with it and they find the right type of guy,

721
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 1: that would be something I would look into. But in

722
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,839
Speaker 1: the event that there's no trade, I still I still

723
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:39,839
Speaker 1: think Gordon's the move.

724
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Speaker 3: There.

725
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:45,839
Speaker 1: With everything that we've gone over, I want to ask

726
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 1: you one big picture question and then I have one

727
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 1: bonus question and then we'll get out here for the day.

728
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 1: If you had to rank the top four teams in

729
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 1: the in the West, how would you rank them as

730
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 1: of right now as playoff contenders? Not talking about regular season,

731
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 1: you know, finish the regular season standings, but just in

732
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 1: terms of thinking contenders in the West, where would you

733
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 1: put everybody top four?

734
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 2: I still have Denver head and shoulders above everybody. I

735
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,720
Speaker 2: just think their offense is going to create an elite shot,

736
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 2: create a shot at an elite level on every possession

737
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 2: until proven otherwise. And I'm not going to be proven.

738
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Speaker 3: Otherwise, So their first.

739
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,800
Speaker 2: I mean, as much as I said, twenty games is

740
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 2: a good evaluation point because of the uncertainty we've talked

741
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 2: about related to Bill and everything, I still have the Sun.

742
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 3: Second.

743
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 2: I just think talk about offense. That's what wins in

744
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:34,360
Speaker 2: the NBA right now. You have to be able to

745
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 2: make enough defensive plays and scheme up and play physically.

746
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 2: I like the way you broke down how you build

747
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 2: a good defense. I feel pretty similarly. We'll see how

748
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 2: that happens. But the Sun's offense is the unit I

749
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,720
Speaker 2: feel best about beyond behind the Denver offense.

750
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 3: So I still have them. Second. It gets kind of

751
00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:51,359
Speaker 3: tricky from there.

752
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 2: I will defer to the Lakers probably at one of

753
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 2: those two spots. Maybe this isn't so much of a

754
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:02,439
Speaker 2: one to four ranking. But just a group of four

755
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 2: here because they have another clear identity, right like and

756
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 2: I think, you know, guys like Reddish and Prints and

757
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:12,759
Speaker 2: the additions that they've made, they just built off of

758
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 2: what made them so scary last year. Even saw the impact.

759
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 2: And I think Darvin Ham's learning how to use Jared

760
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 2: Vanderbilt in spurts to really be effective. He affected that

761
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,840
Speaker 2: game on Tuesday in fifteen minutes more than I you know,

762
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:27,359
Speaker 2: most guys can. That's just a difficult team to play.

763
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 2: They have trades to make, so I'll put them in there.

764
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 2: I'll throw the Thunder in there. I think the Giddy question,

765
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 2: not the off court stuff, but how he's been playing

766
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 2: on court is a question. I do think they need

767
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 2: another big I think the reliance on not just the

768
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 2: young guys in the starting lineup, but guys like Cassan

769
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 2: Wallace and others. You know, they'll get tested. I don't

770
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 2: expect them to just fly through, but I think, you know,

771
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,280
Speaker 2: I like identity. They have one Shay is a killer

772
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:57,439
Speaker 2: in close games, and they've improved around the basket, things

773
00:36:57,480 --> 00:36:59,359
Speaker 2: to chat. So I'll throw them in as the fourth team.

774
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 2: I think that they're and I feel better about them

775
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 2: than Minnesota and some other teams. Just from that identity

776
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 2: and structure standpoint, Yeah.

777
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 1: That to me is the five, right, Like it's those

778
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 1: four teams you just mentioned In Minnesota, I think I

779
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,280
Speaker 1: would flip Lakers and Sons. I'd put Lakers two, Sons three.

780
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: I give the slight edge to Minnesota over Oklahoma City

781
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: because they're kind of built for the physical playoff environment

782
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 1: in a way that Oklahoma City is not. They really

783
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 1: really struggled against big teams, and like all the other

784
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: the three of the other five teams in that top

785
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: five are all big teams that they're gonna have to

786
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: go through. And so just from the standpoint of like

787
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 1: physically being able to withstand three rounds of Western Conference basketball,

788
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 1: I just don't know if Oklahoma Oklahoma City.

789
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:40,359
Speaker 3: Is up for that.

790
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 1: I also would I would love to see them bring

791
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 1: in a guy with some more playoff experience, because that's

792
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,280
Speaker 1: the other thing too, is just everybody in that situation

793
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,760
Speaker 1: is super young, and like Minnesota at least has some reps,

794
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: Like even Anthony Edwards has had two pretty damn good

795
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 1: playoff series. So we're we're I do the way you

796
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 1: put it as like a kind of the bunched up

797
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 1: for that I agree with too. To me, it's like

798
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: Denver gap, not that big of a gap, but a

799
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 1: clearly discernible gap. And then I put like Phoenix, Lakers,

800
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: Minnesota kind of all jumbled up, and then Oklahoma City

801
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 1: just kind of clearly kind of clinging on right there

802
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 1: at the bottom. And again there's trades to be made.

803
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:18,359
Speaker 1: I think I think Lakers are a team you got

804
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 1: to watch out for with trades. The Warriors are a

805
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 1: team you gotta watch it because all they have to

806
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:23,919
Speaker 1: do is attach Kaminga to Chris Paul and they're gonna

807
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 1: get back a good player. And then now you're talking

808
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,800
Speaker 1: about you know, Steph Clay Wiggins a good player and

809
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 1: Draymond Green, which is gonna be interesting to deal with.

810
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 1: So I think it's for where we are in the season,

811
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 1: everything is still up in the air. But like I'm

812
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 1: with you, like I haven't seen enough to really significantly

813
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 1: change any of my preseason recommendations, And specifically when it

814
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 1: comes to the Suns, it's just like I have like

815
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 1: a big wait and see approach with the Suns because

816
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:55,840
Speaker 1: just everything, everything fundamentally fundamentally changes. For the geometry of

817
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 1: that offense when Bradley Beal comes back, which just makes

818
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 1: everything easier on everybody else. Before we get out of here,

819
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 1: you and I meeting was a funny story. I had

820
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: gotten screwed over by ticket masters. Long story, won't get

821
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:12,360
Speaker 1: into it, but I had a couple extra tickets to

822
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: the Debting Company concert in Phoenix, and you reached out

823
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 1: and took them and we got to meet in person

824
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,359
Speaker 1: at the form. I don't know what it's called now,

825
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:24,280
Speaker 1: but it was formerly the Auction Pavilion up there in Phoenix.

826
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 1: It was an incredible concert. I have to ask you,

827
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 1: because we didn't get a chance to talk about it

828
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:30,839
Speaker 1: at the show. How did you are you a Deating

829
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 1: Company fan? Did you get into them through some weird

830
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,800
Speaker 1: reason like what's your relationship with Debting Company?

831
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 2: I wish I had a better story, but for me,

832
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 2: it was an awesome experience. I just wanted to see

833
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:41,880
Speaker 2: them because I bought the hype that this would be

834
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 2: the last tour in the real incarnation and so not

835
00:39:45,160 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 2: real obviously, this incarnation. I grew up like a big

836
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,760
Speaker 2: music kid, like I played instruments, like I played trumpet,

837
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:56,320
Speaker 2: I played drum stuff in high school and all that stuff.

838
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 2: So I've always been like a big John Mayer fan

839
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 2: and not a huge fan of like his solo music,

840
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 2: but always just kind of heard the legendary stories of

841
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 2: the guitar and everything else. So I was like, I

842
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 2: want to see him. I want to see them before

843
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 2: they're done, in whatever version they're going to be done.

844
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 2: I know they'll probably be back and do it all

845
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 2: over again, but let me go, let me go do

846
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 2: the real experience, be outside, drive an hour like see

847
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 2: it all. And it lived up to the hype. The

848
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,760
Speaker 2: whole experience, from top to bottom was everything I expected

849
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 2: it to be. You're coming in Clutch while I was

850
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 2: waiting in line at Chipotle and saw your tweet about

851
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 2: the extra tickets definitely helped because the seats were amazing.

852
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 2: We were right up close, could see Mayor and everybody

853
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 2: doing their thing, see all the dancing happening, and all

854
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 2: the joyous times in the crowd. So yeah, man, I

855
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:47,880
Speaker 2: loved it. I would definitely go again whenever they finally

856
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 2: you know, probably bring it back.

857
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 3: But yeah, it was my first time. It was a

858
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:52,799
Speaker 3: great time.

859
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:55,280
Speaker 2: It made me wish that I had gotten on board before,

860
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 2: and I have only good things to say, but no,

861
00:40:58,840 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 2: my family doesn't care that.

862
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:01,479
Speaker 3: They were all like, what do you why are you going?

863
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Speaker 3: We don't even like them? What's up? Like what's going

864
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Speaker 3: on here?

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Speaker 2: And I was like, I just we want to try

866
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Speaker 2: it out, like don't judge me here, And yeah, they

867
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Speaker 2: converted me.

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Speaker 3: I'm a believer. I'm a fan, dude.

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Speaker 1: The concerts are so weird because, like I was, I

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00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 1: got into it for similar reasons, just like I'm a

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00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 1: big fan of guitar John Mayer in particular, I think

872
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 1: is one of the better guitars who have ever played,

873
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Speaker 1: and like.

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Speaker 3: You go to appreciate that, right.

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Speaker 1: And he's also a way better singer than people give

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Speaker 1: him credit for, so we have like him singing and

877
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Speaker 1: playing and it's.

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Speaker 3: Part of the vibe.

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Speaker 1: But there's all this other weird stuff that comes with it,

880
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 1: like obviously the crowd is a whole unique experience, Like

881
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:40,359
Speaker 1: the music has these weird, bizarre tone shifts, Like at

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Speaker 1: the concert Brandan and I went to, they had this

883
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Speaker 1: like they played Dear Mister Fantasy and they and they

884
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 1: flew into kind of flowed into hey Jude, and it

885
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Speaker 1: was like this huge crescendo and then it literally just

886
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,600
Speaker 1: like the lights go purple, it goes dark, and then

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00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 1: they flip into Dark Star, which is like this really weird,

888
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 1: like funky kind of space beat, and then everyone just

889
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:01,840
Speaker 1: kind of like but at the same time, like for

890
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Speaker 1: the great the Dead In Company fans or the Grateful

891
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 1: Dead fans, like that's part of the experience for them

892
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 1: as they're riding these weird like roller coasters of vibe

893
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 1: shifts throughout the shows.

894
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Speaker 3: It's really weird.

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Speaker 1: And then like you'll like you're like, oh, I got

896
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Speaker 1: a piece, So you go over to the porta potty

897
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Speaker 1: and there's just like people just spinning and like they're

898
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 1: not even like spinning to the song. They're like in

899
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Speaker 1: an entirely different universe on god knows whatever they've been

900
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Speaker 1: taking it is. It is definitely a weird vibe. I've

901
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Speaker 1: been to I want to say, four Dead End Company

902
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Speaker 1: shows over the course of these tours, and like, yeah,

903
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Speaker 1: like as I got closer to the end, I started

904
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Speaker 1: to kind of understand and appreciate it more. But I

905
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Speaker 1: remember the first time they went to a show in Phoenix,

906
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Speaker 1: I was like, whoa, this is it?

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Speaker 2: This is pretty is everything you've been told it's gonna

908
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 2: be now there was like a twenty minute steel drum solo.

909
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 3: At one point You're just kind.

910
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Speaker 2: Of like, is this over yet? You know what's up here?

911
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:50,400
Speaker 2: Like is this still part of the song or is

912
00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 2: this guy just forgetting he's on stage, Like what's going on?

913
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Speaker 2: But it's all great. I love it. Definitely a story,

914
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Speaker 2: definitely memorable. But yeah, I'll be back Brendon. This was

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00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:02,799
Speaker 2: absolutely awesome, man. I really appreciate you making the time.

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Speaker 2: Tell everybody where they can find your stuff. Yeah, locked

917
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Speaker 2: on Suns daily covering this team, you know, big games,

918
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 2: weird moments, Beel's return.

919
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Speaker 3: You can check it out.

920
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 2: Also host the Just Basketball Show, part of the Just

921
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 2: Sports Network, and we're churning out a couple episodes a

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00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 2: week looking at everything across the whole league. We're on YouTube, TikTok, Instagram,

923
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:26,920
Speaker 2: everywhere you find content, we're there. So yeah, I'm doing

924
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Speaker 2: the same thing as you, man, But I appreciate the

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Speaker 2: opportunity and it was fun of talk souns with you.

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Speaker 1: Yes, we will do it again at some point in

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Speaker 1: the future. All right, everybody, Just so you guys know

928
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Speaker 1: on the hoops tonight front we will be back for

929
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Speaker 1: two separate instant reaction videos. Weird start times today two

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Speaker 1: pm Pacific time for the first game, so we'll have

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Speaker 1: an instant reaction right after that, and then for Lakers

932
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Speaker 1: Pelicans later tonight. Real quick, what's your pick for both games?

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Speaker 2: I think I went Pelicans and Bucks on our show.

934
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Speaker 2: I really just picked the Pelicans because I want to

935
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Speaker 2: see it. I think the Lakers will win. But you know,

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Speaker 2: I'm honestly all all for a Jannis Lebron final too,

937
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:04,919
Speaker 2: so I love how this tournament broke out. I think

938
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Speaker 2: the combination of upstarts and and and and mainstays has

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Speaker 2: been really cool. So I'm honestly good with either a combination.

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Speaker 2: But we'll see what happens.

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Speaker 1: Pelicans are good, I give them a chance. I'm I'm

942
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Speaker 1: rooting for Lakers Pacers just because I like I think

943
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Speaker 1: Tyres Aliberton is like one of the most entertaining basketball

944
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Speaker 1: players I've ever watched. But yeah, I'm leaning towards Laker

945
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Speaker 1: Bucks for now. All right, guys, that's all we have.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you guys in a few hours. The volume