1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:01,920 Speaker 1: So let's get right to it. 2 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 2: Almost seven oh six and with us this morning from 3 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:10,320 Speaker 2: New Jersey and from I'm guessing his business in New Jersey. 4 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 2: Are a auto ron a Nanyan. The Car Doctor. Ron's 5 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:18,439 Speaker 2: show airs from five to seven am on Saturday mornings 6 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 2: on KVOI. It's appointment radio for years. 7 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 1: Truly. 8 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:24,919 Speaker 2: I can't tell you, Ron, how much I've learned from 9 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 2: your show over the last several years just listening to it. 10 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 2: I wish it were a little I wish it were 11 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 2: in a little later, but I get up at five 12 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 2: just to make sure I get you every Saturday. 13 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:37,200 Speaker 3: I appreciate that Allan, good morning, thank you for having 14 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:37,520 Speaker 3: me today. 15 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 1: It's great to be here, Ron. 16 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 2: Because this is a travel and tourism show. We'll we'll 17 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:44,480 Speaker 2: branch off a little bit into other things, but I've 18 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 2: got to keep it between the rails at least for 19 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 2: a little while. And I remember you telling me that 20 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 2: you were going to be a guest on another radio 21 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 2: station somewhere back east about summer car care. And so 22 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 2: why don't we go ahead and lift a pay from 23 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 2: your premise with that and tell us what we need 24 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 2: to you know, the regular person. Pretend you're talking to 25 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 2: a golden retriever. 26 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 3: Sure, you know, listen, it's pretty simple, all right. Now, 27 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 3: let me qualify myself. I've only been fixing cars this 28 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:18,400 Speaker 3: side of fifty years, so I don't really know if 29 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 3: this is my career forever. I'm going to give it 30 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 3: a shot, So I speak from what I see on 31 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:26,960 Speaker 3: a daily basis. Some of the things to get your 32 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 3: car ready for a trip or to decide if it's 33 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:33,040 Speaker 3: roadworthy are pretty basic and obvious. Sit in the car, 34 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 3: look up on the left, because that seems to be 35 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 3: where they all are. Now, those oil change stickers. If 36 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 3: all you can read on the oil change sticker is 37 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 3: the name and the place that last did it, you 38 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:45,000 Speaker 3: can't read any of the other information because it's faded. 39 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 3: Chances aren't You're due for an oil change, and we 40 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 3: see that a lot, and it's kind of mind boggling, 41 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 3: you know. So the number one thing I want people 42 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 3: to do to be self empowered is when was your 43 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 3: last service? When was the last time your car had 44 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 3: an oil change, tire pressure, you know, looked underneath it, 45 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 3: a physical inspection and evaluation, you know. The number one 46 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 3: thing I always talk about when I talk about travel 47 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 3: alan is the road is a very unforgiving place, and 48 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:14,959 Speaker 3: it's you know, breaking down is no fun. A flat 49 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 3: tire is no fun. None of it's any fun, and 50 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 3: it can be a little dangerous in certain scenarios. So 51 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 3: you want to make sure your car is as gung 52 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 3: ho and ready to go as you possibly can. And 53 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 3: looking at that oil chain stick or is a good 54 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 3: place to start. 55 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 2: Ron You know, with these synthetic oils that mainly now 56 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 2: every there is no regular oil anymore. They're all blended synthetics. 57 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:41,919 Speaker 2: It seems I can't find it just a straight oil 58 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 2: anymore for my car. And I have older cars, you know, 59 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 2: I drive daily drivers that are you know, twenty years old, 60 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 2: and I keep them going. 61 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 3: What's your daily driver, Allen? 62 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 1: I have two O two Priuses. 63 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:56,920 Speaker 3: Okay, and those are great cars. 64 00:02:57,200 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 2: They are as far as a bad as long as 65 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 2: you keep those bat in check. And I've got a 66 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 2: guy to pull out the bad cells and put the 67 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 2: good ones back in when they go. 68 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 3: You know, the Toyota Prius, you know, not the branch 69 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 3: off here, but I'll be quick. The Toyota Prius was 70 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 3: an example of over engineering. Those cars don't break. It's 71 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 3: it's it's an oil change, it's front brakes, and it's 72 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:22,079 Speaker 3: an occasional exhaust by well back here, back here in 73 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 3: the east. I don't know what it is in Arizona, 74 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:26,360 Speaker 3: because do you guys get snow. 75 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 2: Once an every five ten years and it melts up 76 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 2: as it comes down. 77 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: So, and you do the answer to that question. You're 78 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 1: a great talk show. 79 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's you know, it's it's. So that's a 80 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 3: great car. That car can go another ten years. And 81 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 3: that's an example of overengineering. You haven't even put rear 82 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 3: brakes on those. 83 00:03:42,960 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 1: Cars yet, have you. No, I have it, but I 84 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 1: had to put a cat. 85 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 2: I had to put a cat on it because those 86 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 2: cats are very valuable to meth heads because there are 87 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 2: two of them. 88 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, there are two of them. 89 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 2: So I had to find the cat, put it on, 90 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 2: and then I riveted a cat over the cat so 91 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 2: that they can't get it. 92 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 3: Right next time, right, yeah, next time? Yeah, So back 93 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 3: to our discussion, right, oil changes. Then let's we're getting 94 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 3: ready to go on a road. We're leaving two weeks 95 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:17,919 Speaker 3: from today. Don't wait till the friday before the Saturday 96 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 3: that you're leaving to take the car in be fair. 97 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 3: You know, I can tell you this. There is a 98 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 3: parts problem that's been brewing for the past couple of years. 99 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:31,119 Speaker 3: There's a quality of parts issue for replacement parts. There's 100 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:35,039 Speaker 3: an availability of parts issue that's becoming more predominant in 101 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 3: the last couple of months. So you know that old 102 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 3: trusted repair shop that you're going to that maybe was 103 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 3: able to turn the car around in a day or two, 104 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:46,720 Speaker 3: you know it might be two weeks now, So you 105 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 3: don't want to let things go to the last minute. 106 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 3: I know it's hard. You know, a lot of us 107 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 3: are procrastinators, but it's it's just the way of the world. 108 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 3: It's the truth. 109 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:58,599 Speaker 2: I'll bet that Ron, I'll bet that you as the 110 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 2: owner of your auto shop, ra Auto and which town 111 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 2: in New Jersey is it in ron. 112 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 3: Waald with New Jersey? But don't tell anybody. We keep 113 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 3: it a secret. 114 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I'm not coming out there for an oil change. 115 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 2: I promise you that because I have to change it 116 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 2: coming back. I have the feeling because you said that 117 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 2: there's a really critical crisis on parts. These tariffs may 118 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 2: or may not help that right, probably not. 119 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:26,839 Speaker 3: Help they're making They are going to make it worse. 120 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 3: You know, and some of what I speak is tariff related. 121 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 3: The price of things have started to creep up. We've 122 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 3: seen break parts, break pads, and rotors creep up about 123 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 3: three and a half four percent in the last two weeks, 124 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:41,520 Speaker 3: which it kind of doesn't make any sense to me 125 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 3: because I don't think any of the parts from China 126 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 3: have even hit American shores yet to go through the 127 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:49,600 Speaker 3: distribution chain to you know, actually be here. So I 128 00:05:49,600 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 3: think they're already raising prices. And the answer your question 129 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 3: is why, And the answer is because they can't. Yeah, profits, 130 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 3: you know, profit, it's all about making a buck. 131 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:01,719 Speaker 2: I have to also think Ron that because you're the 132 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 2: chief cook and bottle washer there, that your job every day, 133 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 2: probably job one, is for you to source parts for 134 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 2: cars that are hard to find. And I remember hearing 135 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 2: you say on your show, we found this part in Texas, 136 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 2: we found this part in Michigan, you know, for an 137 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:22,919 Speaker 2: eight or a tan Ford Edge, or you know, you 138 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 2: said Thunderbirds, threes and fours, great cars, but you can't 139 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:27,600 Speaker 2: find parts for them. 140 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 3: Can't find parts for him. Well, the reason and the 141 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 3: reason for that is just a piece of automotive useless 142 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:34,279 Speaker 3: trivia that I keep in my head is because the 143 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 3: two to five Thunderbird was a conglomeration between Ford Motor Company, Jaguar, 144 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 3: and Volvo. All three car companies were involved in the 145 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 3: development of that vehicle, and now twenty some odd years later, 146 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 3: all the parts are gone for it, which is a shame. 147 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 3: You know. I own an O two and it's a 148 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 3: fun car and a convertible drop top. It's just a 149 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 3: great thing to buzz around it. 150 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 2: I looked at one the other day and I remembered 151 00:06:57,800 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 2: what you said that the parts were impossible to find. 152 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:03,359 Speaker 1: Looked over at car World. Here on Oracle Roady. 153 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 2: I have a couple of them, and both of them 154 00:07:04,960 --> 00:07:07,479 Speaker 2: are ten thousand bucks apiece, and I thought, see, that's 155 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 2: cheap if I could find the parts to repair it, right, 156 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 2: you know. 157 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 3: Well, you know, maybe the way to look at it, 158 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 3: and this is sort of a fun thing. You think 159 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 3: about travel in vacations, look at the same way back. 160 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 3: It's almost like I do radio. You think about travel 161 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 3: in vacation, what it cost to go on a good vacation. 162 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 3: Maybe buying a ten thousand dollars Thunderbird, driving it for 163 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 3: four months and then selling it. It's an escape, right yeah, 164 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 3: little top down action, little cruising with the wind in 165 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 3: your hair. You know, it's a fun car. It's really 166 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 3: a fun car. I'll tell you. It's at the end 167 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 3: of a long week, there's nothing better than going for 168 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 3: a ride in the bird. 169 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 2: So when we get ready to go on vacation, make 170 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 2: sure your oils checked. And you know, it's not just mileage, 171 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 2: it's also time right. 172 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 3: Time counts. You know, when was the last time tires 173 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 3: were rotated. So a lot of this we can do 174 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 3: ourselves because we're trying to keep records. We're trying to 175 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 3: be good keepers. You know, look at the dashboard, you know, 176 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 3: get in the car, turn on the turn on the key, 177 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 3: but don't start it. Do all the light bulbs that 178 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 3: normally light up light up. Do you see a check 179 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 3: engine light? Do you see an ABS light? You know, 180 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 3: do your own bulb check because technically that's what the 181 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 3: car is doing. I don't know if anybody realizes that, 182 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 3: but when you go from key off to key on, 183 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 3: engine not running, that is bulb check position. The manufacturers 184 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 3: are expecting you, at some point or level to sit 185 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 3: there and look at your dashboard and say, hey, do 186 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 3: I see all the normal things I normally see, yeah, 187 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 3: everything's there, now, start it up. Now. If we're looking 188 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 3: at the car and I see this a lot too, Allen, 189 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 3: and I don't understand that. You know, I see this 190 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 3: on new customers because existing customers know better and we 191 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 3: explain it to them. Why it's bad. Is the check 192 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 3: engine light on? How long has it been on? It's 193 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 3: not meant to be an ornament or a decoration device. 194 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 3: It's it's meant to warn you that there's a problem 195 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 3: with the vehicle and it needs to be addressed. And 196 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 3: you know that can be a big issue. Check in 197 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 3: in light, don't change color, don't change frequency. The only 198 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 3: thing they'll do other than stay on continuously is blink 199 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 3: real quick if there's a serious engine misfire, something in 200 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 3: the way the vehicle is running on which cylinder. But 201 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 3: you know, if and I get we get cars, we 202 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 3: see cars from first time customers. How long is you 203 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:23,000 Speaker 3: check engine light? But on about a year and a half. Yeah, 204 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 3: so yeah, it's a big that's that's a problem. You 205 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:28,840 Speaker 3: know that, that's a very big story to unravel. 206 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 2: Would you say most of your clientele are female as 207 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:34,079 Speaker 2: a percentage? 208 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 3: You know, it's funny you say that, and I don't 209 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 3: know why, but in all my years on radio and 210 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 3: even in the shop. Yeah, now that you mention it, 211 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 3: I track higher with a female audience, with a female listenership. 212 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:47,520 Speaker 3: And I think it's because I explain things. 213 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 1: Well and I think too they trust you. 214 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:53,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, I get that, I get that. But you know what, 215 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 3: that goes back a long ways. That goes back to 216 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 3: my teaching days. You know, that goes back to when 217 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 3: I was an instructor. You know, women want to know 218 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 3: about how to keep themselves safe in their car, and 219 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 3: I always attack it from that perspective. A guy gets 220 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 3: stuck on the side of the road. Here, let's tell 221 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 3: the story this way, right, because this is where we 222 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 3: were going to go next. How old is your battery? Okay, 223 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:17,760 Speaker 3: because you're going on vacation and the last thing you 224 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 3: need to do is pull into a rest stop after 225 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 3: a four hour ride through the Arizona heat and the 226 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 3: battery fails because batteries fail more in heat than they 227 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 3: do in cold. Believe it or not, but you know, 228 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 3: for a guy to have a dead battery, it's an adventure. 229 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 3: For a woman, could be a bad situation. Yeah, and 230 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 3: you know you want to avoid that so important. 231 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 2: Ron batteries are at least one hundred and fifty to 232 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 2: two hundred and fifty bucks for a decent one, and 233 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 2: you know you may have that budgeted for your vacation. 234 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 2: It may be pretty tight vacation, and so they just think, well, 235 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 2: I can squeeze one more trip out of it. 236 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 3: Everybody wants to squeeze one more trip. Everybody wants to 237 00:10:58,720 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 3: get one more. 238 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 1: Month more Ronnie sneak. 239 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:03,559 Speaker 3: But you know, you know what my answer is, Alan, 240 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 3: I want to be eighteen and lose another twenty pounds, 241 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:08,319 Speaker 3: and I can handle the twenty pounds. I don't know 242 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 3: about being eighteen again. It's just not going to happen. 243 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 3: So you got to live in reality, is where I 244 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:13,559 Speaker 3: go with this. 245 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 2: So you're you're a preventive guy, because that's your business. 246 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 2: But on the other side of it, I know you 247 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:23,200 Speaker 2: get the fact that this stuff's expensive. You're not cheap either, 248 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:25,440 Speaker 2: and you deserve to make a great living and I 249 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 2: hope you do, and I think you do. But it's 250 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:33,200 Speaker 2: just not ever planned to be in the budget to 251 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:35,800 Speaker 2: fix your car. It's just turn on and go and 252 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 2: if it breaks, we worry about it. 253 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 3: Then well, look at the wording. Look at the way 254 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 3: we're programmed as a society. All right, I just bought 255 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 3: a new car, so I don't have to spend any 256 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 3: money on it. 257 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 1: Bingo. 258 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 3: Look at the look at the thought process. 259 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 1: It's someone else's problem. 260 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:52,959 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's you know, and I never have to fix it. 261 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 3: How come we buy a house? Right? And when the 262 00:11:57,280 --> 00:12:00,559 Speaker 3: water heater breaks, you know, we can find that nine 263 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 3: hundred dollars because we all want hot water. When the 264 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 3: air conditioning breaks. How important is air conditioning in Tucson, Arizona? 265 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 1: Kinda kind of important. 266 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, when the air conditioning breaks, we can always find 267 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 3: that two thousand dollars or whatever the number is. But boy, 268 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:17,560 Speaker 3: I'll tell you what the carnate's four tires. I can 269 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:18,320 Speaker 3: sneak it out. 270 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 1: A sneak it out, that's right. 271 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:22,960 Speaker 3: I can on the side of the road. And you 272 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:24,680 Speaker 3: know that's a problem. 273 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 2: It is a problem. Seven eighteen. The car doctor is 274 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 2: with us. He's on from five to seven in the 275 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:35,480 Speaker 2: morning on Saturdays on KVO. I, Roddy, give us your 276 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 2: phone number just in cases one eight eight eight five 277 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 2: six oh what eight eight eight. 278 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:43,560 Speaker 3: Five five you know, eight eight five six oh ninety 279 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 3: nine hundred give him a call five eight five five 280 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:50,959 Speaker 3: five six ninety nine hundred. 281 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 2: Give him a call. It'll go to voicemail. And the 282 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 2: great producer Tom Ray who runs Ron show, we'll get 283 00:12:57,280 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 2: back to you lightning fast like he did to me. 284 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 2: If you have a car question. We may even take 285 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:05,440 Speaker 2: a couple questions if you want. Ron is brilliant with 286 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 2: this stuff. And I don't know if we'll get a 287 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 2: call on it or not because we didn't advertise that. 288 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 2: We just advertised getting your car ready for tourism in 289 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:16,080 Speaker 2: southern Arizona and beyond. But we'll take the break. Be 290 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 2: right back. Seven nineteen. I'm big out with Ron and 291 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:27,960 Speaker 2: Nanian on the voice Paul Simon with I favored that 292 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 2: song quite a bit because my name's Al and his 293 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 2: name is Ron Inanian the car Doctor that airs on 294 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 2: Saturdays here from five to seven am on KVOI Great show. 295 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 2: I'm a hardcore listener of your show. 296 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 1: Ron. 297 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 2: You were talking about batteries giving it up because of 298 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 2: the Arizona heat. I learned last week on your show 299 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 2: that vibration is probably overall the number one cause nationwide 300 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 2: of battery failure. 301 00:13:56,000 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, absolutely, and everything sparks no pun inded with 302 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 3: a battery. Today, we see so many strange problems from 303 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 3: erratic batteries, batteries that one minute are sitting at twelve 304 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 3: and a half vaults, because I believe it or not, 305 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:12,440 Speaker 3: a twel vault battery has to have a minimum of 306 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:15,560 Speaker 3: twelve and a half vaults to be considered good. A 307 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 3: battery with twelve point two vaults is actually on the 308 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 3: is actually a failed battery in industry standards for a 309 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 3: lot of reasons. But we see a erratic voltage out 310 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 3: of a battery, and that vehicle will do some very 311 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 3: funny things because it tends to drag down the whole vehicle. 312 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 3: And you know, keep in mind, took a little of 313 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 3: the technical stuff Hondas for example, you know computer controller alternators, 314 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 3: like a lot of vehicle manufacturers. You can actually see 315 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 3: a Honda go down the road at twelve and a 316 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 3: half vaults on the charging system until it sees enough 317 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 3: of a load or a demand and it starts to 318 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 3: bump up the alternator charge rate. And you know, you 319 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 3: start to look at the demands and riggers that are 320 00:14:57,280 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 3: placed on batteries. It's not you know, this isn't your 321 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 3: there's sixty three Chevy and Pala anymore. It's all in 322 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 3: the interest of emissions and mileage and longevity, and they 323 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 3: do some very different things with electrical systems and charging 324 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 3: systems today. So that battery is key. 325 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 2: That battery hides a lot of symptoms I think too. 326 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:19,760 Speaker 3: On cars, yes, absolutely, and. 327 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 2: So if it's three years old, because usually they'll away 328 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 2: warranty them out here for about three years. If you 329 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 2: buy a new one from like an autozonner a checker, 330 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 2: that's after three years you're living on borrowed time. 331 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 3: Well, I think three to five. It depends now here 332 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 3: we go. It depends on the car. If you're driving 333 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 3: a Honda, most Hondas have Group fifty one batteries, and 334 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 3: I'm not knocking Honda's alan, I think Honda makes a 335 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 3: great car, all right. But if you're driving a Honda 336 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 3: and it's got a Group fifty one battery, after three years, 337 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 3: I think you're on borrowed time. Is an absolute true 338 00:15:55,400 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 3: statement because the Group fifty one is the highest failure 339 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 3: rate battery we see in the market. You know, we 340 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 3: do more Group fifty ones in a given year than 341 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 3: any other size, and a group just means the side 342 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 3: the physical dimension of the battery. It's you know, just 343 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 3: to fit that space under the hood of a Honda, 344 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 3: and that group fifty one is just a high failure 345 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 3: rate battery. Talk to the Honda dealer, ask them how 346 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 3: many batteries they do. It's staggering. We've got a Honda 347 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 3: dealership out here, then on a given busy day, we'll 348 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 3: do two hundred and fifty batteries in the middle of 349 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 3: the winter a day. 350 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 2: Is that just because ron is that just is not 351 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 2: a high failure rate. It's just because there's a lot 352 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 2: of them out there. 353 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 3: Well yeah, and well, and there's a lot of them 354 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 3: out there. But you know, for all those batteries to 355 00:16:37,800 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 3: go bed in what I consider a short time period. 356 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 3: But I'll tell you this, all right, If you bring 357 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 3: me a car, you know, a Ford or a GM 358 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 3: or a Chrysler or something, and it's it's a four 359 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 3: and a half year old battery, there's no point to 360 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 3: test it. You know, it's six months away from five years. 361 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 1: What are we waiting for to save that two hundred bucks? 362 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:01,240 Speaker 3: To say that two hundred bucks to be stuck on 363 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 3: the side of the road because they think they can 364 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:06,680 Speaker 3: change the battery in their driveway, which on a lot 365 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 3: of vehicles you can't anymore, because you'll put the battery in, 366 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:12,879 Speaker 3: you'll bolt it up, you'll put it in, you'll try 367 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 3: and do some kind of a memory saver because cars 368 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 3: have operating characteristics. Now you know, I'm trying to stay 369 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:23,199 Speaker 3: in my guidelines here, Allen, you know, but but you 370 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 3: know a car picks up operating characteristics. If Alan drove 371 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 3: the car, and then Ron drove the car, and then 372 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:34,359 Speaker 3: my engineer Tom drove the car, you know, over time 373 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:38,159 Speaker 3: it's going to learn our driving habits and characteristics and 374 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 3: how we accelerate and de accelerate, create shift patterns in 375 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 3: the transmission and behavioral characteristics. And then you disconnect the 376 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 3: battery and all that's gone, and and funny things can happen. 377 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:53,400 Speaker 3: So you want to memory save it, is my point. 378 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 3: And then when you've done, memory save it so that 379 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:57,119 Speaker 3: the computer doesn't lose it to memory and you got 380 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 3: your nice fresh battery in there. Sometimes you need to 381 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 3: you have to tell it, hey, I changed the battery 382 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 3: and do a BMI or battery reset. Whole different conversation 383 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:08,399 Speaker 3: it is. 384 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 2: And I got to tell you that I don't have 385 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 2: a scan tool. You talk about them all the time 386 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 2: on your show. Do you have a scan tool? Did 387 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 2: he use a scan tool? And I would say ninety 388 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 2: five percent, maybe even higher the amount of people that 389 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 2: don't have a scan tool, which should probably be great 390 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 2: if you did have one, but I think that probably 391 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 2: most people can't afford one. 392 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, you can't. Scan tools are an entry level 393 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 3: decent scan tools five hundred bucks today. 394 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, Ron, can you hang around, We're going to pull 395 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:40,400 Speaker 2: over and as you say, take a. 396 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 3: Break, sure, I'll be here. 397 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:51,680 Speaker 2: Ron Andanian big al on the voice, seven thirty five. 398 00:18:51,920 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 2: Thanks Willie, I'm big out along with the car doctor 399 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 2: Ron Ananian, who has, as you just heard, his show 400 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 2: running on Saturday mornings from five to seven am. A 401 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:04,439 Speaker 2: little early for a lot of people, but people that 402 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 2: like to work on their own cars or like to 403 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 2: learn stuff, I would suggest you consider just line in bed, 404 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:15,119 Speaker 2: turn that radio on or streaming it to ten thirty 405 00:19:15,640 --> 00:19:18,439 Speaker 2: and listen to Ron. Just go stream of mind on 406 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 2: a stream of consciousness on a lot of stuff. I 407 00:19:21,320 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 2: specifically enjoy at the top of the hour when you 408 00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:27,639 Speaker 2: just go stream of consciousness on the things that happened 409 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 2: in the shop, the past week always interesting. 410 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 3: Everybody seems to like that Alan and I And that 411 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:36,360 Speaker 3: really is off the top of my head, you know. 412 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 3: I somebody once asked me, They said, you know what 413 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 3: kind of prep time? How long does it take you 414 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 3: to prep the show? And I looked at them, I 415 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:43,159 Speaker 3: looked at my watch, and I said, you want me 416 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 3: to do it? Now? I tend to. I was taught. 417 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:48,159 Speaker 3: I went to the you know, hard Knocks School of 418 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:50,400 Speaker 3: Radio broadcasting, where they threw me in a room, turned 419 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 3: on the microphone and said talk. So I learned how 420 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:54,359 Speaker 3: to do it off the top of my head. But 421 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 3: they're all real stories, things from the shop that happen 422 00:19:57,040 --> 00:20:00,440 Speaker 3: on a weekly basis. You know, this week we would 423 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 3: talk about, you know, if we were going to do 424 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 3: the show this week, I've got interviews set up this 425 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:07,679 Speaker 3: week because I'm gonna go see my grandchildren, to be honest, 426 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 3: or is that next week? I forget which, but regardless, 427 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 3: you know, we talk about all the new parts we 428 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:16,679 Speaker 3: got this week that were bad out of the box 429 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 3: or you know, missing pieces or damaged. You know, we 430 00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 3: waited three days to get an air conditioning compressor for 431 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:27,879 Speaker 3: a car this week. Beautiful compressor from DNSO and I 432 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 3: like DNSO. DNSOL is a good product, but everybody's got 433 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 3: their issues. Took this brand new nine hundred dollars AC 434 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 3: compressor out of the box and the electrical connector where 435 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 3: it plugs in was smashed. 436 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:41,639 Speaker 1: The connector connect Yeah, well it's. 437 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 3: The connector you know that that feeds power off the engine, 438 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:46,720 Speaker 3: off the vehicle wiring harness. So I had to swap 439 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:49,399 Speaker 3: out the connector because I can't. I can't get another compressor, 440 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:51,639 Speaker 3: you know. As it was, I had a big borrowing 441 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 3: steel to get this one. And you know, what do 442 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:57,160 Speaker 3: you tell the person that needs their car. She's leaving 443 00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 3: for North Carolina in two days. It took me three 444 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 3: days to get you know. It's those are the battles 445 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:05,679 Speaker 3: that go on every day that every repair shop in 446 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:07,640 Speaker 3: the country goes through every day. 447 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 2: And so again just to re just to repeat what 448 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 2: you said, make sure if you're going to take a trip, 449 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:16,879 Speaker 2: get it in early, get it in earlier than you 450 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:19,640 Speaker 2: even think to get it in to have it checked out. 451 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:24,199 Speaker 3: Yeah, and everybody should have a trusted mechanic. I know 452 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:28,400 Speaker 3: it's hard, but there's something wrong with the person When 453 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 3: somebody walks into my door at the shop, and they're 454 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:32,160 Speaker 3: in their mid forties and they go, you know, I've 455 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:33,639 Speaker 3: been looking for a mechanic my whole life and I 456 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 3: haven't been able to find one. And I always ask 457 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 3: them how long you've been driving? About twenty three years, 458 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:40,680 Speaker 3: So in twenty three years you've been through how many mechanics? 459 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 3: And they'll tell me seven, and I kind of point out, 460 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:48,000 Speaker 3: you know, seven mechanics twenty three years. What's the common denominator? 461 00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:50,640 Speaker 3: Are you giving the person a chance to do their job. 462 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 3: I'm not saying there aren't bad mechanics. There's bad mechanics, 463 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:57,639 Speaker 3: there's bad carpenters, there's bad lawyers, there's bad everybody. But 464 00:21:57,680 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 3: there are decent people out there that are trying to 465 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:02,440 Speaker 3: make a lie, trying to do it right, not by 466 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:05,639 Speaker 3: somebody's perceived values. If you know what I'm saying, let 467 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:07,159 Speaker 3: the guy do his job, let him show you how 468 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:10,360 Speaker 3: brilliant he can be and see the results. It's important. 469 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 2: Seven thirty eight on the Morning Voice. This show, Tom 470 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:17,359 Speaker 2: Molten's show on Thursday's deals with travel and tourism and 471 00:22:17,560 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 2: southern Arizona and Arizona in general, and we're stretching it 472 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:23,199 Speaker 2: a little bit to just make sure that you have 473 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:25,919 Speaker 2: a vehicle that's going to make it to wherever you 474 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 2: want to be. If you're going on vacation seeing the sites, 475 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:33,800 Speaker 2: maybe you go into the Grand Canyon. Summertime is always 476 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 2: the worst time for travel here in Arizona because of 477 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 2: the possibility of you having a breakdown. So we are 478 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:45,120 Speaker 2: grateful for Ron to be here with us today. Ron, 479 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 2: We're going to take it a little further and just 480 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:51,680 Speaker 2: ask you about when you see the check engine light 481 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:53,640 Speaker 2: and it's been on for a you said a year 482 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:56,440 Speaker 2: and a half. I understand that that may be an exaggeration. 483 00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 2: A lot of people just go to checker and see 484 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 2: that it's. Oh, it's just an ignition in a misfire 485 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:06,440 Speaker 2: on cylinder three, probably needs a spark plug. I'm good 486 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 2: to go for another six months, and then when i 487 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 2: get one hundred and fifty to two hundred bucks, I'll 488 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 2: change all the plugs. Not a great idea, but you 489 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 2: understand it, don't you. 490 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 3: I understand why they do that. But first let's clarify something. Okay, 491 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:24,119 Speaker 3: a couple of things. A check engine light is designed 492 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 3: by law, the Clean Air Act of nineteen ninety one. 493 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 3: It's ancient history. The Clean Air Act of nineteen ninety one, 494 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 3: which was put into effect in nineteen ninety six, all Right, 495 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,440 Speaker 3: mandated that if a vehicle exceeds one and a half 496 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:42,400 Speaker 3: times the legal limits of federal emissions, it will turn 497 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:46,360 Speaker 3: on a check engine light. So anything in a monitored 498 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:50,479 Speaker 3: or watched system that causes a vehicle to be out 499 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:53,320 Speaker 3: of what we call a mission compliance turns on the 500 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 3: check engine light number one, number two. Some cars, most 501 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:01,639 Speaker 3: cars actually once and it sets a problem. We'll use 502 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:06,080 Speaker 3: your example, a misfire. Once it sees a misfire, it 503 00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 3: is no longer going to check the catalytic converter to 504 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:12,439 Speaker 3: see if it's operational or healthy. It's no longer going 505 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,439 Speaker 3: to do certain evaporative emissions tests, you know, the gas 506 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 3: cap codes that everybody runs crazy about. So leaving a 507 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 3: check engine light on for that year and a half, 508 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 3: which actually isn't an exaggeration. We've seen it. We see 509 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 3: it quite often. Actually sadly, now we fix that original 510 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 3: misfire problem. And the answer is my question is is 511 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 3: my car fix The answer is when it runs all 512 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:38,719 Speaker 3: of its self tests, all of its monitored tests, and 513 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 3: they all run to completion. And there are no fault codes. 514 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 3: Then I know your car is fixed. And I can't 515 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 3: answer it. You can't answer it. Mister Goodrinch couldn't answer it. 516 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:51,440 Speaker 3: If we dug up Walter P. Chrysler, he couldn't answer 517 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 3: It's it's just the way the software in the computers 518 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:58,160 Speaker 3: are set up. So the guy that's leaving that check 519 00:24:58,160 --> 00:24:59,919 Speaker 3: engine light on it, look, I get it. You know. 520 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 3: So you go to an autoparts house, you go to checkers, 521 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,920 Speaker 3: you go to AutoZone, you get the check engine light tested. 522 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,159 Speaker 3: It's not saying if we get a misfire fault. It 523 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,679 Speaker 3: doesn't say ignition. I will correct you out. It doesn't 524 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,359 Speaker 3: say ignition. It says misfire fire. 525 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,959 Speaker 1: Yeah, cylinder three, Yeah, cylinder three. 526 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:20,919 Speaker 3: Do you own a lawnmower? 527 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 1: Never? We don't. 528 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,680 Speaker 2: We don't cut grass in Arizona or have grass in Arizona. 529 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 3: But you have to have some piece of small operational equipment, right, 530 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 3: I'm cylinder something. If it has a misfire, why does 531 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 3: it miss? It's going to miss for one of three reasons. 532 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 3: It's got an ignition miss agreed. It could have a 533 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 3: fuel system missed, the engine's running lean a plugged up carburetor, 534 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 3: or a problem with fuel delivery, or it could have 535 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:48,919 Speaker 3: a mechanical problem burnt valve, internal engine problem, that kind 536 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 3: of a thing. So that misfire never says put a 537 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,920 Speaker 3: spark plug in it. It says misfire and it needs 538 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 3: to be diagnosed, or like you say, you take the 539 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 3: guess you put a spark plug in it. But if 540 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 3: a spark plug is bad, why did it go bad? 541 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 3: Is there a carbon deposit issue in the engine. Is 542 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 3: it's so badly warned that that was the first plug 543 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 3: to fail, And now you start to change chase all 544 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 3: the spark plugs around, and you know, one at a time, 545 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 3: we're going to go through this torture. So it really 546 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 3: comes back to where we started our conversation today about 547 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 3: scheduled maintenance. Talking to our trusted mechanic. I'm going on 548 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,159 Speaker 3: the road. We spend a lot of time, right we 549 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:32,400 Speaker 3: to go away on a trip. We we call the hotel, 550 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 3: or we call the camping site, you know, we call 551 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:38,879 Speaker 3: the airlines for reservations. We do all this prep and 552 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,160 Speaker 3: then we pile into the car and say, yeah, it's good, 553 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:42,200 Speaker 3: no big deal. 554 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 1: Always a mistake, yeah, always. 555 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:47,720 Speaker 3: A mistake, Always a big mistake, and then you're on 556 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 3: the side of the road, you know, and you know, 557 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:54,119 Speaker 3: if your partners with you, maybe they're telling you, I 558 00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 3: told you to get this car into the repair shop. 559 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 3: What's wrong with you? 560 00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,400 Speaker 2: Especially when the kids are in the car too. I mean, 561 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,359 Speaker 2: it's just you're kicking yourself that you just didn't go 562 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 2: to someone like you a couple of weeks before pay 563 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,159 Speaker 2: the hundred one hundred and fifty bucks for the for 564 00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,120 Speaker 2: the all car check or whatever whatever it's called. 565 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 3: It looked at. Yeah, yeah, it's It's just it's just 566 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:18,120 Speaker 3: so much easier. I always think of the poor guy, 567 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 3: you know here in New Jersey. A real quick story. 568 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:22,359 Speaker 3: I'm going to the car practor one Friday night and 569 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 3: I'm pulling up on there's a there's a traffic jam 570 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,120 Speaker 3: at the light, and there's a there's a Honda that's stalled, 571 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 3: and I'm mentioning my way up to the guy and 572 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,920 Speaker 3: everybody's blowing their horn and the guy keeps cranking it 573 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:33,480 Speaker 3: and cranking it and cranking it. It's one of those 574 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 3: warm summer nights. The windows are down, it's not that hot. 575 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 3: And I pull up next to it and the wife 576 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 3: is yelling at this poor guy. I told you to 577 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,919 Speaker 3: get this car in and what's wrong with you? You 578 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:43,879 Speaker 3: didn't get it checked out? And he's cranking and cranking 579 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:45,359 Speaker 3: and cranking, and the husband puts his head on the 580 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,239 Speaker 3: steering wheel and he says, my god, where's the car 581 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 3: doctor when you need him? I swear it's it was 582 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 3: the funniest thing, because that's the way my life is. 583 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,639 Speaker 3: Life is, life is. The universe always aligns me in 584 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,360 Speaker 3: these situations. Where's the car doctor when you need him? 585 00:27:57,480 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 3: And I looked at him and I said, here, I am. 586 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 3: I am over at me, and she goes, oh my god. 587 00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:03,600 Speaker 3: I didn't know it was you when I said, hey, 588 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 3: it's got a broken timing bell. Stop cranking it. You're 589 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:07,600 Speaker 3: going to break something. The light change. I gotta go 590 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 3: see you. The husband mouse thank you to me, and 591 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:14,879 Speaker 3: I pull a yeah. I always think of that, you know. 592 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 3: It just breaking down just creates so much stress, you know, 593 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:21,200 Speaker 3: it's just such a problem. 594 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 2: Out here in Arizona. We have a wide open spaces, 595 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,880 Speaker 2: not so much back where you are, but out here 596 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 2: if you break down, especially between Phoenix and Tucson, not 597 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,120 Speaker 2: as bad normally as what it would be if you're 598 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty miles between two other cities. But 599 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 2: it's bad enough, especially when the wind blows. You got 600 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 2: dust and heat, which is not probably something you've ever experienced. 601 00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,720 Speaker 2: So you have heat and dust at the same time, 602 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 2: like a lot of it of both. Not a great idea, 603 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 2: and you know, it's just I hate to be in 604 00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 2: my life. I've never tried to do in my job 605 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 2: being a nervous nelly and telling people what to do 606 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 2: with their vehicle, but or with anything else. But you 607 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 2: really do need to take it seriously and not just 608 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 2: let it go until you see something that's wrong. Even 609 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 2: if there's nothing wrong, it's not going to hurt to 610 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 2: just go take it and have it looked at right. 611 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 3: You know, a true professional, a true professional, we'll look 612 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 3: that car over and you know, make that car safe 613 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 3: as if their family was going to write in it. 614 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 3: Every mechanic I've ever hired in my lifetime, every time 615 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 3: I've looked at a car, I always look at it 616 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,960 Speaker 3: from what I feel safe writing in this car, or 617 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 3: just as importantly, if my wife and kids were in 618 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 3: a car next to this car on the highway doing 619 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 3: sixty five miles an hour, and you know, that's a 620 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 3: two ton missile going down the road. The wheel falls off, 621 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 3: the tirod breaks, you know, the engine stops, and there's 622 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 3: an eighteen wheeler right behind it. It's a recipe for disaster. 623 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:04,480 Speaker 3: And I don't want to scare anybody, but just some 624 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 3: you know. It's kind of amazing the auto industry runs 625 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:09,640 Speaker 3: as good as it does on a regular basis. With 626 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 3: so many moving pieces, there's such an opportunity for issues. 627 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 3: Just getting the car checked out puts you light years 628 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 3: ahead of having a potential problem and keeps you safe. 629 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 2: To quote an old dude that is probably now a 630 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,680 Speaker 2: fairly decent friend, we're going to pull over for a minute. 631 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:32,720 Speaker 2: Seven forty six on the voice, Tom Molton is in Tampa, Florida, 632 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 2: trying to adjust the tourism issue that we may be 633 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:42,200 Speaker 2: having between Canada, Mexico and the US. Seriously, he said, 634 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 2: I'm going down there to talk to Canadians and Mexican 635 00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 2: tour operators and people that are in the tourism business 636 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 2: to see if some of this stuff can be salvaged, 637 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 2: which is very laudable for him to do. So I'm 638 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 2: filling in this Thursday for him. He'll be back probably 639 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,480 Speaker 2: next Thursday. Doctor Acerley is here on Fridays as always, 640 00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,480 Speaker 2: we will be back on the Morning Voice seven forty seven. 641 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 1: Seven fifty two. 642 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 2: On the Morning Voice, I'm Big Out along with Ron 643 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 2: and Nany and the Car Doctor, heard every Saturday morning 644 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:21,000 Speaker 2: from five to seven on kvo I ten thirty am. Ron. 645 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:21,880 Speaker 1: We've talked a lot. 646 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:25,719 Speaker 2: About preventive maintenance, probably a little too much for some people. 647 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 2: What do you like on different cars these days in 648 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:33,120 Speaker 2: terms of features? What don't you like about cars these days? 649 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,640 Speaker 2: With different features? What are the higher and lower maintenance 650 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 2: things that are good and bad ideas? 651 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 3: I think, yeah, well, the fluids are well. Where do 652 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 3: I start that question? I like the safety features in 653 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:51,080 Speaker 3: today's cars. Who couldn't write the electronics are good for 654 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 3: that vehicle that's up to seven eight years old. We 655 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 3: see vehicles for example, not to pick on a car line, 656 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,480 Speaker 3: but we'll have to. The German cars. You keep an 657 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 3: out he passed year seven and eight. It can get 658 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:06,680 Speaker 3: to be expensive. The electronics can be prohibitive. You know. 659 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 3: It's you want to lease the German car experience, not 660 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 3: own the German car experience. We always say, you know, 661 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 3: because some of those features get to be costly, but 662 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,600 Speaker 3: you know they're great cars to drive. You just got 663 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:19,000 Speaker 3: to be prepared. You've got to have the budget in 664 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:22,240 Speaker 3: the pocketbook. You know, you can't go in buying thinking 665 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 3: you're buying an economy car when you do something like that. 666 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,480 Speaker 3: I you know, the thing that probably takes most cars 667 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,160 Speaker 3: out of the realm of do I repair it or 668 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,880 Speaker 3: replace it is the electronics, and then its major component 669 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:37,000 Speaker 3: is drivetrain repair. You know, I don't know that it's 670 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:41,280 Speaker 3: necessarily features. If the electronics hold up, it's a great car. 671 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,120 Speaker 3: But for example, we looked at a We had a 672 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,680 Speaker 3: customer purchase of twenty sixteen Ford Fusion this week with 673 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,480 Speaker 3: one hundred and sixty five thousand miles on it. Nice car, 674 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:53,960 Speaker 3: clean car, white, nice interior, first time driver, seventeen year 675 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,840 Speaker 3: old daughter. And like I said to them, the speech 676 00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 3: at the counter was, great car, keep up on the 677 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,200 Speaker 3: main and keep doing the oil changes in the fluids. 678 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 3: But if the transmission were to fail in that in 679 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:09,440 Speaker 3: New Jersey dollars, that's six sixty five hundred dollars all 680 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 3: day long. It's it's a it's a major repair. And 681 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:15,960 Speaker 3: you know you paid sixteen grand for the car. Do 682 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,880 Speaker 3: you put over a third of what you paid into 683 00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 3: the car and the way of a transmission, because what if, 684 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,360 Speaker 3: what if there's an engine problem? Then where do you go? 685 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 1: Ron? 686 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,920 Speaker 2: What do you I kind of know what the answer 687 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,760 Speaker 2: is here. What's your opinion on electric vehicles? 688 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:36,520 Speaker 3: I don't think we have enough time left? 689 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:38,920 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, you're going to boil it down. I 690 00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,040 Speaker 2: don't think you like them too much, and that's okay, 691 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:42,480 Speaker 2: but just tell me why you don't. 692 00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:46,320 Speaker 3: I think they have their place. I don't like them 693 00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,400 Speaker 3: because I think we're being sold to bill of goods. 694 00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 3: It's not practical. You know, you start to run the numbers. 695 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,680 Speaker 3: How long does it take that diesel bulldozer to dig 696 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:57,440 Speaker 3: up enough raw material to make one battery? And how 697 00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:01,680 Speaker 3: much raw material isn't you know? It's just the numbers 698 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,840 Speaker 3: and the math don't work time and time again. Every 699 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:10,720 Speaker 3: study says the point where an EV vehicle becomes carbon 700 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:14,200 Speaker 3: neutral or carbon positive, meaning that it hasn't taken from 701 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:17,399 Speaker 3: the environment somewhere around that sixty thousand mile mark. That's 702 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,960 Speaker 3: an awful lot of miles for what we're trying to achieve. 703 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,080 Speaker 3: I also look at you know, in practicality, we go 704 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,279 Speaker 3: out to Pittsburgh to see the grandchildren. We drive through 705 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,920 Speaker 3: a little town called Altuna, nice little town, this in 706 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:29,879 Speaker 3: the Alleghenies. And I always turn to my wife every 707 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,440 Speaker 3: time and I say, when they can make enough electricity 708 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,320 Speaker 3: and figure out how to get it over the Alleghany 709 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,800 Speaker 3: Mountains and feed Altuna, we'll have EV vehicles. But until 710 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:41,560 Speaker 3: then it's a pipe dream. It's not practical. Start looking 711 00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:44,000 Speaker 3: at the number of vehicles on the road when you're 712 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:48,080 Speaker 3: out traveling this summer, right, and just close your eyes 713 00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,520 Speaker 3: and not why you're driving, but just close your eyes 714 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,680 Speaker 3: and imagine every one of those is an EV. Pull 715 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,839 Speaker 3: into a service station and now you know it's a 716 00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,480 Speaker 3: gas station. It takes roughly five minutes to fill a 717 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:03,480 Speaker 3: car with PE, so you can do twelve twelve vehicles 718 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:07,000 Speaker 3: per pump per hour. You know it takes an EV 719 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,800 Speaker 3: twenty minutes. You can do three vehicles per charging station 720 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:12,880 Speaker 3: per hour. And that's a high rate of charge, and 721 00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,640 Speaker 3: that may not be maximum charge. Start doing the man, 722 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,279 Speaker 3: how are you going to support all these vehicles? Do 723 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,560 Speaker 3: I think EDS have their place? Yes, I think a 724 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:26,680 Speaker 3: root vehicle. I think maybe for you know, the mail person, 725 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:31,520 Speaker 3: the police, if they're doing patrol not necessarily high speed pursuit. 726 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,800 Speaker 3: If you're on a you know, you're the building inspector 727 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:38,000 Speaker 3: for the town of Tucson and you're driving a predescribed route. 728 00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:41,359 Speaker 3: But to use them on an everyday basis, I think 729 00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,799 Speaker 3: that's a future that's pretty far off until a lot 730 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,960 Speaker 3: of things change in the way of economy and technology. 731 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,759 Speaker 2: Well, we're out of time. You know what that's like. 732 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,879 Speaker 2: You live that dream four or five times every week. 733 00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:56,520 Speaker 3: Yep, yep. Let me just jump in real quick, all 734 00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:58,719 Speaker 3: and everybody should get out the cardoctorshow dot com if 735 00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,320 Speaker 3: they want more information. We got a lot going on 736 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:02,680 Speaker 3: there and we'll keep everybody happy. 737 00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,959 Speaker 2: All right, Kitto, You have a great one. And good 738 00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:07,480 Speaker 2: mechanics aren't expensive. 739 00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,239 Speaker 3: They're priceless, baby, They're priceless. 740 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:11,920 Speaker 1: See you, see you,