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Speaker 1: All right, this is the Doug Gottlieb Show. Here's in

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Speaker 2: Up Doug Gottlieb Show, and the bonus Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 3: iHeartRadio out Do any of us know if JJ Spawn.

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Speaker 2: Is any good? I bring it up because JJ Spawn

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Speaker 2: is the twenty fifth ranked player in the world. Right,

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Speaker 2: And he shot a bogie free four under sixty six

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Speaker 2: time for the lowest opening round score in US Open history.

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Speaker 2: And remember everyone's talking about everyone's talking about the fact

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Speaker 2: that this course, the setup is just incredibly hard. Par

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Speaker 2: probably wins, maybe even over par. And he shoots a

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Speaker 2: four under bogie free round. This is a guy who

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Speaker 2: has one career win on the PGA Tour, the twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty two Valero Texas Open.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: He began his career on the PGA Tour Canada. Raise

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Speaker 2: your hand if you're not a golf guy and you

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Speaker 2: knew the PGA Tour Canada actually existed, I had no idea.

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Speaker 3: He's San Diego State guy.

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Speaker 2: He's a great college golfer, Mountain two time Mountain West Golfer.

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Speaker 3: Of the Year.

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Speaker 2: He's married and he's got two daughters, Emerson and Violet

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Speaker 2: Good names, good names. So guy seems like a fairly

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Speaker 2: regular dude, right, fairly regular dude, like so many of

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Speaker 2: us from California, he came from somewhere else. I think

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Speaker 2: he's like half Filipino, half Mexican. He's a really unique story.

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Speaker 3: But did you.

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Speaker 2: Actually know who JJ spawn was before I started talking

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Speaker 2: about him on your on this podcast? The answer is now, oh,

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Speaker 2: so okay, that's fair right, I mean, like Buyer, I know,

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Speaker 2: Buyer's like, well, JJ Spa is like a great college golfer.

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Speaker 2: He's twenty fifth right put. But to those of us

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Speaker 2: in the mainstream, we're like, I never heard. So here's

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Speaker 2: the here's the metaphor. The guy who goes out and

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Speaker 2: like he's the uh, the guy in the opening scene

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Speaker 2: in a horror movie, or you know, he's not going

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Speaker 2: to be around for the end of the movie, but

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Speaker 2: for whatever reason, you get fully engaged with this guy.

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Speaker 3: Like, oh, don't go in there.

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Speaker 2: Oh now, full disclosure, I don't like horror movies.

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Speaker 3: I just don't like seeing people die.

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Speaker 2: You know, yeah, I don't. I'm a scaredy cat. Don't

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Speaker 2: like heights don't like horror movies. But it's not so

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Speaker 2: much people dying, it's the the intentionally murdering somebody in

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Speaker 2: because in a horror movie sort of way. Anyway, Uh,

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Speaker 2: first scene in a horror movie is who JJ spawn

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Speaker 2: essentially is. You'll get to love him, you hear his story.

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Speaker 2: He's awesome, and then he's not gonna you know, he'll

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Speaker 2: make the cut, but he'll be nowhere to be found

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Speaker 2: on Saturday or on Sunday, nowhere.

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Speaker 2: It's like, for whatever reason, you know, golf is Brooks.

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Speaker 2: Koepka's obviously right there, but you know he's just beginning

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Speaker 2: to play. But he's well early, you know, Scotti, Scheffler finished,

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Speaker 2: He's even through through like three holes.

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Speaker 3: When we're recording this, I don't know who it'll be.

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Speaker 2: If it's Scheffler, if it's Speeth, if it's Rory, who

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Speaker 2: it'll be. But it does feel like the guy who

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Speaker 2: he's not going to survive the weekend. And much like

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Speaker 4: Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb

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Speaker 2: Every day at this time The Doug Gottlieb Show. In

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Speaker 2: the Bonus Podcast, they played for you a portion of

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Speaker 3: Here's Ded Patrick talk about the NBA Finals.

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Speaker 5: I was looking for an analogy, a comparison outside of

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Speaker 5: sports with the NBA Finals. And if you've ever gone

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Speaker 5: And he would hmm, okay, you know what, let me

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Speaker 5: google it and then I'll tell you who this is.

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Speaker 5: Like the usual suspects, there are no real stars in

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Speaker 5: You kind of have that with the NBA Final.

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Speaker 2: It's it's just hard for non name brands, you know,

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Speaker 2: Ben Mathrain was amazing. But it's just hard when you're

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Speaker 3: Anyway. Here's Colin Cowherd talk about the Pacers bed methroom.

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Speaker 6: How about Ben Mathern, how about that guy, how about

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Speaker 6: best players in the league. You're gonna talk about Cooper

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Speaker 6: Flag and that kid's gonna give you twenty two a night.

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Speaker 4: What a stud. I saw you call him Russell Westbrook

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Speaker 3: That's what he gives you.

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Speaker 2: Here's Chris Brussar talking about the Nick search for new

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Speaker 7: This looks like amateur hour for the Knicks, and the

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Speaker 7: Yeah, like, if you actually fire a coach and your

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Speaker 7: that's lunacy. That's ridiculous and it could backfire.

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Speaker 7: I think Tims obviously is a very good coach. I said,

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Speaker 7: I would not have fired him. But there are other

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Speaker 7: this work where you fire a coach that has success

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Speaker 7: and you go to another level. But this also could

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Speaker 7: because this as talented as their roster is, it's not

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Speaker 7: there's no super duper generational star. As good as Brunton

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Speaker 7: and Carl Anthony Towns are that like, they need to

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Speaker 7: be coached. They need to be put in the proper positions.

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Speaker 7: They're not that talented where you can just bring in

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Speaker 7: They need somebody to unearth something out of them that

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Speaker 7: if they get the wrong guy, this could backfire and

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Speaker 3: Uh yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean like, look, they I like in making changes

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Speaker 2: that don't seem necessary to go in and get in

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Speaker 2: an elective surgery. Could you end up being better because

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Speaker 3: Of course you could.

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Speaker 2: But every time you go in, you run the risk

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Speaker 2: of infection every time. And I think that's exactly where

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Speaker 2: this team is, or with this franchise is. It's like,

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Speaker 2: did you need to make this cut? No, But if

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Speaker 2: you're gonna do it, if you're going to go get

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Speaker 2: a face slift, understand there is always the chance of infection.

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Speaker 3: That's what the Fox said.

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Speaker 4: Do say. Be sure to catch live editions of The

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Speaker 4: on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.

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Speaker 3: Let's find out who are what is annoying? Jason Stewart.

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Speaker 4: And now it's your annoy.

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Speaker 10: So, we have two markets, as we've all been around

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Speaker 10: and I think I've been doing this for a long time.

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Speaker 10: But for these games one and two so far are

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Speaker 9: So I mean that that is some pretty amazing pr gymnastics.

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Speaker 9: Because so here here's I guess it's accurate if you're

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Speaker 9: and we win the night nowadays, and that should be

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Speaker 9: the comparison. Here's the problem. When you do what I

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Speaker 2: It's not But the point that he made again, and

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Speaker 3: So I don't know if that's true.

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Speaker 3: Do you have any idea?

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Speaker 2: So his point, both of these things can be true.

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Speaker 3: It's it's it's always.

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Speaker 2: The irony to it is you're now in two places

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Speaker 2: And because it nobody, people don't watch anymore. When what

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Speaker 2: People legitimately care, which goes counter to the honestly to

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Speaker 2: been told this is a divisive political issue. I think

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Speaker 9: So what's annoying about this next one is it's annoying

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Speaker 9: gonna give me some forgiveness on the pronunciation Christian Pulse policic. Policice, policic.

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Speaker 9: He did not play in the game the other night

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Speaker 3: Aren't there three host countries?

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Speaker 11: I can't help but think, and I said this in

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Speaker 3: Correct, This is what it means.

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Speaker 3: This is what it means.

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Speaker 4: He's forty years old.

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Speaker 11: He's played a long ass season, he's tired, he's out

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Speaker 4: And I can't help but.

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Speaker 11: Think about some of our guys who are on vacation

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Speaker 2: This is what it's pissing Neils what Too was talking about.

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Speaker 9: That's great, that's great. It's pissing Landon Donovan off that

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Speaker 9: So this is great. I love this old school versus

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Speaker 7: Uh.

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Speaker 8: But it's annoying that I don't care.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I got to tell you my my give a

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Speaker 9: So this happens, right if you traffic and social media,

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Speaker 8: The the perfect.

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Speaker 8: It really was.

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Speaker 9: Yes, So I had said on the group text I

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Speaker 9: If the Panthers signed that guy from Ice last night,

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Speaker 2: The whole discussion is funny that people start to take

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Speaker 3: But it was.

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Speaker 2: I'm still impressed by the hit. I'm just I'm not

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Speaker 3: That probably was surprised to me.

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Speaker 8: I don't think it was either, was it.

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Speaker 9: So Adam Silver's uh mental gymnastics to explain little ratings,

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Speaker 3: Hmmm, I'm gonna go.

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Speaker 2: With the unimaginative comments about tackles in real life. Don't

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Speaker 3: That's annoyed.

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Speaker 8: Why are we doing this?

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Speaker 6: I do.

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Speaker 1: Because we can.

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Speaker 13: I'm not. I don't even really go down that road

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Speaker 13: of how do I feel about it? My job is

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Speaker 2: I actually really like that comment, really like it, and

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Speaker 2: I like it because that's the reality of the job.

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Speaker 2: Let you have to let every everybody else can have

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Speaker 2: and being overly emotional behind is not the.

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Speaker 3: Place to be as a coach.

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Speaker 2: It's actually a really really good telling cut. How can

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