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Speaker 1: How's it going, everybody. Welcome back to Cardinal Territory. I'm

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Speaker 1: your sitting host, Kyle Gibson. I'm joined today by Matt Holliday.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back, Holly. We're joined today by Jim Hayes. Jim,

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Speaker 1: welcome back. You know, I know it was just a

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Speaker 1: one show absence. Welcome back and in all transparency because

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Speaker 1: Jim just got back from Washington, d C. We are

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Speaker 1: a transparent show here, so we're going to continue that

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Speaker 1: theme with what all of our politicians do. Obviously, we've

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Speaker 1: had some technical difficulties today, so Lance has bailed on

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Speaker 1: us because his technical difficulties were the worst out of

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Speaker 1: all of us. So Jim, since you're back today, I

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Speaker 1: just wanted to bring us in. It's your show. But

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Speaker 1: I think these type of experiences are good for me

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Speaker 1: to get some some work just in case, you know,

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Speaker 1: like opening day, you have to bail on us and

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Speaker 1: then you know, some of us get this hosting experience.

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Speaker 1: So Jim, it's our show for you to control. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for being.

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Speaker 2: Back, Thank you for filling in, and you were better

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Speaker 2: than MEA's host because you're a natural. And welcome back

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Speaker 2: Matt Holiday.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: But we're going to start this one the way we

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Speaker 2: always do by begging for subscribers. See, we're told we

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Speaker 2: got to get to seven thousand. We blew past five.

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Speaker 2: Weren't just six thousand territory. If you like this podcast,

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 1: And if you liked it better on Monday when we

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Speaker 1: only showed the graphic, go ahead and comment after this

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Speaker 1: video and stay only show the graphic and don't beg anymore.

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Speaker 1: If you liked it that way, all right, go ahead, Jim.

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Speaker 2: I think the begging because that way you get two versions.

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Speaker 2: You get the audio and the visual. Matt, it's good

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Speaker 2: to see you. You were your way with Team USA

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Speaker 2: at the World Baseball Classic. You've been on that team

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Speaker 2: as a player. This time you were hitting coach and

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Speaker 2: UH USA came up a little short against the red

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Speaker 2: Hot Venezuela team. Obviously, all the teams are full of

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Speaker 2: major leaguers and professional talent. Just your thoughts on the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a It was a blast. I had

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Speaker 3: had a great time with the guys and the staff.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 3: They put a great group of guys, players and coaches together.

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Speaker 3: It's great honor to put the USA uniform on. For me,

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Speaker 3: I've I've done it a couple of times before, but

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Speaker 3: Tournament had a lot of fun. Like I said, we uh,

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Speaker 3: our offense wasn't as sharp as I thought it would be.

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Speaker 3: It's roundball, round bat, hard competition, but I you know,

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Speaker 1: Not all teams had that, right, team Emily scored eight

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Speaker 2: That is cool. Now in the last three games, the

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Speaker 2: But what's it like as a as a hitting coach

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Speaker 2: Now, my my question for you is because the WBC

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Speaker 2: What do you think, Holliday, Is there a better way

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Speaker 3: But I think that it'll be interesting to see what

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Speaker 3: That's what I hear from you guys too. This is

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Speaker 1: I mean he continuing for Bryce Harper not playing against

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Speaker 2: I also think, you know the stuff that Matt mentioned,

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Speaker 2: All right, now, we turned to some Cardinal business and

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Speaker 2: Onie Marvel has announced that Matthew Librator will be the

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Speaker 2: You see Cardinal Territory breaking news ahead of the curve.

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Speaker 2: As always kind of I'll ask you it's you know,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think, you know, this is something that

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Speaker 3: But he needs to get at bats. I mean, obviously

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Speaker 3: he's a hitter. You can't find your timing, you can't

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Speaker 3: find your talent if you're not playing, and if you're

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Speaker 3: If not, then yeah, you probably need to send him

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Speaker 3: So I don't I'd be interested to hear what kind

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Speaker 3: of role they put him through.

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Speaker 2: Well, gentlemen, opening days fast approaching. I know we're all

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Speaker 2: looking forward to that, and that's going to do it

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Speaker 2: for this edition of Cardinal Territory. We'll see you for

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Speaker 2: the next episode, and hopefully that one won't suck