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Speaker 2: Thank you for having me. Yeah, thank you for that introduction.

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Speaker 1: You're really playing the part. Good lord, I'm so excited

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Speaker 2: Other than like watching television? I don't think so.

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Speaker 1: Listening to Rim, you're sure probably you're an.

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Speaker 2: M I sure I'm an expert. But have you done

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Speaker 1: Probably? But so so scattered over thirty forty years that

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Speaker 2: But when Malcolm Gladwell came out with a ten thousand

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Speaker 2: it made sense, right. Remember when that was introduced, it

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Speaker 1: I think subsequent research has called it out as being

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Speaker 1: it makes perfect exactly. So our Airbus A three thirty,

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Speaker 1: Only the spare engine that would normally be used wasn't

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Speaker 1: loaner engines, which was literally a Rolls Royce engine.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, a Loaner engine just doesn't have a reassuring ring

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Speaker 1: That's my terminology. It's just the engine that they need,

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Speaker 2: Them, and it was Rolls Royce. So yeah, we can yeah.

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Speaker 1: And I can trust which, by the way, I love

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Speaker 2: And it's butlers that actually put those engines together. It's

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Speaker 1: On all that stuff. All all of air Transit's A

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Speaker 1: Transits mechanics get their hands on it, and they did

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Speaker 1: Illustrated Parts catalog. Oh god, not exactly sky Mall. In

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Speaker 1: this case, upgrading was obviously necessary. But can we just

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Speaker 2: I totally agreed. Then you have to get use to

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Speaker 2: the screen, and you're right, your muscle memory just gets

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Speaker 1: And it's like everything's begging you to upgrade it. Like

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Speaker 1: you're getting these messages on your phone, you're getting messages

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Speaker 1: why are you holding me back? Right, that's right, you

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Speaker 2: But it also not just the software, but the equipment itself.

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Speaker 2: Like we all feel like if we don't upgrade our

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Speaker 2: ye And it's ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: They're preying on our existential angst. Adam Scott, Exactly, it's

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Speaker 1: not fair, okay, exactly. Now, our technicians in this case

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Speaker 1: we will come back to that, and inspections commenced. A

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Speaker 1: successful ground test was run and completed, several thumbs up

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Speaker 2: So can I just ask a question you may not

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Speaker 1: It wasn't immediately urgent. There was a problem with this engine,

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Speaker 1: The first flight with this new Rolls Royce engine. It

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Speaker 1: Then came August twenty fourth, two thousand and one. Late

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Speaker 1: None of them would soon forget. It's a long flight.

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Speaker 1: It is Toronto to Lisbon, right, so it's like eight

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Speaker 1: Are you reading magazines? Are you napping? Are you watching

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Speaker 2: All I do is drink tomato juice when I'm on flights.

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Speaker 2: That's my That's it. I don't like doing anything else.

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Speaker 1: It's weird. I've heard. I've seen people tweet about that.

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Speaker 1: They're like, Adam Scott's on my flight and he won't

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Speaker 1: It's about getting more tomato juice. And they're like, me,

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Speaker 1: Like relax, Adam Scott.

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Speaker 2: On a plane. I like watching stuff. I like watching movie.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if I have have to do work and

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Speaker 2: I just like watching movies that I that I bring myself.

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Speaker 2: How about you? I?

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Speaker 1: I usually will listen to podcasts or I kind of

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Speaker 2: That's why I like it when flights don't have Wi Fi.

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Speaker 2: And it's getting more and more rare when you because

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Speaker 2: I agree, I like a long flight. There's something cozy

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Speaker 2: I feel like there's less and less boredom first of all,

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Speaker 1: It's a fun little Jedi trick, but it's it's so smart.

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Speaker 1: That's where you come up with your tastes.

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Speaker 2: That's where you kind of form what it is you

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Speaker 2: I think that's great.

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Speaker 1: I'm a great parent. What can I say? I don't know.

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Speaker 2: That's just really commendable.

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Speaker 1: And thank you. We're about three hours and forty six

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Speaker 1: not enough. Now, the pilots initiated a new flight plan.

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Speaker 1: They would call an audible here and re route to

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Speaker 1: Legis Airport in Tersara Island in the Azores. Tersara Island

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Essentially they're realizing that the fuel levels are not

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Speaker 1: looks like. Yeah, so you can see they say that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's just a tad more than halfway to Lisbon.

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Speaker 1: Have you ever been to the Azores?

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Speaker 2: No, I would love to have you.

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Speaker 1: No, I've been to the Canary Islands, which is another

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's go sometime, you and me, we're.

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Speaker 2: Going go, you know what, Let's go tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: Are we too old to just go on a backpacking

435
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:01,440
Speaker 1: trip through Europe and still be stop?

436
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:06,639
Speaker 2: That would be so fun Although I would, I would,

437
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:11,119
Speaker 2: my patients would run thin with the hostels.

438
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 1: Well, so what we would do if you and I

439
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 1: went backpacking across Europe is we'd go into like the

440
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:20,480
Speaker 1: Severance subreddit and the Hangover subreddit and we'd be like, hey, fans,

441
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 1: hey in Europe, we need places to stay.

442
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:27,600
Speaker 2: That's right, we need really nice places to stay.

443
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:31,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, put us up that. That would be really funny.

444
00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 1: We should do that. We need to do that and

445
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:36,440
Speaker 1: make a documentary that. It would be very funny.

446
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 2: It's great.

447
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 1: So it's at this moment that one of the crew

448
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:41,360
Speaker 1: members enters the cockpit like one of the flight attendants

449
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:45,920
Speaker 1: on some just unrelated business, only to learn that they

450
00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:49,600
Speaker 1: are not going to Lisbon any longer. Not only that,

451
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 1: Captain Pichet asks this crew member to then go back

452
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:58,480
Speaker 1: and inspect the wings for a fuel leak. Oh no,

453
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 1: any guess on how you inspect a wing? If you're

454
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:05,119
Speaker 1: like in the the fuselage of an airplane, how do

455
00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:05,920
Speaker 1: you inspect a wing?

456
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 2: I just think of the thing in Temple of Doom

457
00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:12,360
Speaker 2: where they let the fuel out and it just literally

458
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 2: looks like liquid coming out of the wing.

459
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:19,439
Speaker 1: You're exactly right. All you can do is just Now,

460
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,199
Speaker 1: it's the middle of the night. Keep in mind, this

461
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:24,080
Speaker 1: is a red eye, So all you can do is

462
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:28,879
Speaker 1: walk back and then shiny flashlight out the window of

463
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,880
Speaker 1: the plane and look at the wing. Now, in the daylight,

464
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:35,360
Speaker 1: presumably you would be able to see fuel sprang out

465
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 1: the back of an engine in the same way that

466
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 1: the Temple of Doom. But at night, even with a flashlight,

467
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:46,119
Speaker 1: there's virtually no chance of that. But also, like, what

468
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 1: if you're that guy sitting at the window and the

469
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:51,639
Speaker 1: flight attend is just like, I just need to check

470
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:52,439
Speaker 1: the wings.

471
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:56,640
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

472
00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, so a little tense he or.

473
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:04,760
Speaker 2: She goes to the window and shines a flashlight out

474
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 2: to the wing. Yeah, and they have to be a

475
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 2: high powered flashlight too.

476
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, and probably not powerful enough, and they don't see

477
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 1: anything because you really probably can't see anything, even though,

478
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,399
Speaker 1: as we'll soon learn, there was a lot happening on

479
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 1: that wing. Oh boy. So with no physical evidence and

480
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 1: no further alerts, both pilots misdiagnosed the issue as a

481
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 1: sensor malfunction. On the bright side, they had set off

482
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:32,800
Speaker 1: from Canada with almost fifty metric tons of fuel, which

483
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,600
Speaker 1: is five and a half tons more than is required

484
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:37,439
Speaker 1: on such a flight path, which is good. You want

485
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:39,439
Speaker 1: to pack some extra granola bars when you're going on

486
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 1: a hike, right.

487
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:45,880
Speaker 2: One, when you're hiking across Europe. Yeah, yes, so don't

488
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,640
Speaker 2: forget to pack extra granola bars, by the way, when

489
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:49,680
Speaker 2: we go on our trip.

490
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 1: And this is where our pilots made a bit of

491
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 1: a tough call, and like very likely the incorrect one.

492
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:59,120
Speaker 1: There's actually a protocol for a suspected fuel leak, even

493
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 1: if you can't very fight it now. They could have

494
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 1: followed that, but instead they felt confident that this was

495
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 1: just a computer system error and there was no leak,

496
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 1: and so they initiated the fuel imbalance procedure instead. And

497
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 1: this fix wasn't exactly crazy, this is not this is

498
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:18,280
Speaker 1: something that happens, and since there was indeed an imbalance,

499
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 1: but it was probably the worst thing they could have done. So,

500
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 1: in an effort to balance the way to the aircraft,

501
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,960
Speaker 1: they start pumping fuel from the left wing over to

502
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:32,159
Speaker 1: the right, not realizing that a massive crack in the

503
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 1: fuel line of the right engine was spitting out their

504
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:37,880
Speaker 1: fuel almost as quickly as they were pumping it over,

505
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 1: So in essence, they were just dumping fuel into the

506
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 1: Atlantic Ocean. It's like a classic case of just making

507
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,199
Speaker 1: the problem worse when you're trying to solve it.

508
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 2: So they basically are doing what they did in Temple

509
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 2: of Doom and just dumping their fuel.

510
00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. Got At this point, Flight two thirty six was

511
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 1: down to seven tons of fuel, which is only six

512
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 1: percent of the plane's total fuel capacity.

513
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 2: Oh no, but.

514
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:06,159
Speaker 1: They're like over the middle of the Atlantic. So Piche

515
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,399
Speaker 1: continues to fiddle with various engine settings and configurations to

516
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 1: try to save fuel, and all of a sudden, the

517
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 1: right engine shuts down.

518
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 2: It just flames out because it's out of fuel. Yes,

519
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:21,919
Speaker 2: oh god.

520
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 1: The pilots. This is when the pilots send a made

521
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:29,919
Speaker 1: a signal. Thirteen minutes later, the left engine also completely.

522
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 2: Dies because it is out of fuel.

523
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 1: Also out of fuel.

524
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 2: Can I ask a question, maybe you don't know this

525
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:39,719
Speaker 2: if you have only one engine in a giant plane

526
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 2: like this, Yeah, can you negotiate your way through a

527
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 2: trip like this? Or is it also really dicey?

528
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 1: This is an awesome question, and I wish I had

529
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 1: a better answer for you. But the answer I have

530
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 1: is that I know you can fly a jet on

531
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 1: one engine, so like, if one engine goes out, you

532
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 1: can you'll fly on one end, which is with the

533
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 1: physics of that are insane to me because it seems

534
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 1: like a plane would just starts spinning around, right, But

535
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 1: there are I guess, trims and controls and ways to

536
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 1: just sort of like keep you on track, sure, and

537
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 1: just using that one one jet engine for power. As

538
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:22,480
Speaker 1: we're about to find out, there are a cascading set

539
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 1: of issues when an engine dies out. At this point,

540
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 1: there's sixty five nautical miles away from Laga's airport with

541
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 1: no engines. Oh my god, this is wild. I heard

542
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: some interviews with some passengers that were on this plane,

543
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: and one of them was talking about how it just

544
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 1: went dead quiet. How terrifying is that, Like the jet

545
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 1: engines die and so it just now you're just like,

546
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 1: it's just the air.

547
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 2: Because all the noise when you're on a passenger jet,

548
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 2: it's that. That's what you have the noise canceling headphones for,

549
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 2: is to cut out that constant yeh noise.

550
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 1: It just goes silent. That's so creepy. Okay, So they

551
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 1: have to drop altitude. They dip to thirty thousand feet

552
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 1: because there's so little oxygen up there and they're gonna

553
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 1: lose cabin pressure and all this. They all have to

554
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 1: don their oxygen masks. Have you ever had to do

555
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 1: that on a plane? No?

556
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 2: I haven't, have you.

557
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, me neither, Thank god. The jet engines of an

558
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: airplane are also the primary source of electrical and hydraulic

559
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 1: power on the plane.

560
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 2: Imagine. Yeah.

561
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 1: Sure, They're essentially like generators for all of your electricity

562
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 1: on a plane. So when the engines go out instantly,

563
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,000
Speaker 1: all of the primary electric functions on the aircraft go

564
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 1: out as well. Oh my god, and it's starting to

565
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 1: look like they're gonna have to ditch the plane in

566
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 1: the ocean with all three hundred and six people on board. Fuck. Yeah,

567
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 1: that's the right word.

568
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 2: Pitch dark.

569
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the middle of the night.

570
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 2: Good god.

571
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay, So now we're coming to the gliding portion

572
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 1: of our evening. And this is how this incident earned

573
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 1: the name the Azores Glider Incident. Keep in mind, the

574
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 1: A three thirty Airbrust model is a wide bodied jet.

575
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 1: It ain't designed for gliding, no, but any airplane can

576
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 1: glide somewhat. Of course, the wings will give you some lift.

577
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 2: Depending on wind and all of that probably as well, right.

578
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, and your air speed. You know, it was

579
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 1: obviously going very fast at the time that the engines died,

580
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 1: so it's got speed and then and then just the

581
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 1: descent is going to give you additional speed so you

582
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: can glide these things, which is incredible. You're a passenger

583
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 1: on this plane and the electricity goes out, your oxygen

584
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 1: masks are dropped, You're getting word that you might have

585
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 1: to ditch in the ocean. They're probably making preparations inside

586
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 1: the cabin for a water landing. Like, what's going through

587
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 1: your head, Adam Scott? Are you good in a crisis?

588
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 1: Are you going to be steady for people? Or are

589
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 1: you going to lose your yet? Dude?

590
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 2: I feel like that's the kind of thing that you

591
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 2: never know until you are faced with a situation like this,

592
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 2: Like you don't know what gear you're going to shift

593
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 2: into until you kind of find yourself faced with circumstances

594
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 2: like this. I mean, if I'm just going to if

595
00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 2: I just think about this trip a few weeks ago

596
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 2: when the plane was going it was a small plane,

597
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 2: it was going all over the place when we were

598
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 2: coming into Montana and my daughter was upset. I could

599
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 2: see my son trying to keep a brave face on

600
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 2: but scared shitless, and I just had to maintain complete

601
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:54,520
Speaker 2: confidence that everything was fine, don't worry. But I was wavering.

602
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 2: I was not sure inside what Yeah, one hundred person,

603
00:32:58,640 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 2: this is.

604
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 1: This is good day right here. I'm proud of about him.

605
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 1: That's awesome. That is dadding.

606
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 2: So I don't know. I guess it depends on who

607
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 2: I'm with. If I'm by myself, I'm freaking out and

608
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 2: I'm trying to maybe I'm trying to contact my wife

609
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 2: at this point. I'm not sure. How about you, how

610
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 2: do you feel in a situation.

611
00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 1: I'm so badass. I'm cool as a cucumber, no question.

612
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 1: You're going up and trying to take the controls of Yeah, totally.

613
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 1: I Well, like you said, it's very hard to know.

614
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: And the dad thing is huge. Like I do think

615
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 1: that being having that responsibility to sort of like keep

616
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 1: other people calm does sort of foist a whole different

617
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:45,479
Speaker 1: perspective onto someone in that situation, and I've I've certainly

618
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 1: been dealt with bad injuries or things with kids and

619
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 1: where it's like your calmness is so important even when

620
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 1: it's very hard, and I've made it through some of

621
00:33:56,120 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 1: those incidents, and so I don't know. I like to

622
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 1: think I would be a steady sort of source of

623
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 1: strength for people around me, But but I might just

624
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 1: be screaming and bawling and like just going nuts. Who knows.

625
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure you're right that it's not just who

626
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 2: you're with, like if you have your family with you,

627
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:22,439
Speaker 2: but also how the people around you are reacting. That

628
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 2: would probably have a lot to do with what part

629
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 2: of the puzzle you fit into.

630
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: It could either spin you up more or give you

631
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 1: more sort of impetus to like try to calm.

632
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right.

633
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 1: Who knows, Yeah, it's who knows. A wild good lord,

634
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 1: I think we would be great. I'm just going to say,

635
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 1: I'm just going to go on record you and I.

636
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you and I would be Dare I

637
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 2: say heroic? I think you're hundred percent. Okay, we're going

638
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 2: to have this on display when we back back across Europe.

639
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 1: We're going to encounter all kinds of emergencies, and we're

640
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 1: going to be heroic. It's just who we are at them.

641
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,839
Speaker 1: Two heroes. Yeah, two heroes. That's the name of the doc.

642
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:57,839
Speaker 2: That's right.

643
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,280
Speaker 1: Okay, back to that. In two thousand and one, despite

644
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 1: misreading a major fuel leek as a minor sensor issue,

645
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 1: Captain Pichet was solid on one crucial thing. He knew

646
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 1: the planes gliding ratio, which is fifteen to one. That

647
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:17,320
Speaker 1: means for every fifteen units forward the aircraft was traveling,

648
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,840
Speaker 1: it was dropping one unit in altitude. So at thirty

649
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 1: three thousand feet, that gave them a gliding range of

650
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:25,800
Speaker 1: roughly seventy five to one hundred miles.

651
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 2: Wow, okay, wait, sorry, do we know how far they

652
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 2: are from the landing strip on the.

653
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 1: Island they're under. They're around seventy five miles. Holy shit. Yeah,

654
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 1: So at this point they glided seventy five miles for

655
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:48,800
Speaker 1: nineteen minutes until at last they are approaching their re

656
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:53,360
Speaker 1: routed destination, the Lagess Airbase. It's in sight sort of

657
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 1: because it's so dark at night and this is a

658
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 1: this is a small island, so there's not a ton

659
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 1: of light around to kind of like help help them

660
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 1: see what's happening. I find it very surprising that a

661
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 1: massive airliner can glide for seventy five to one hundred miles.

662
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 1: Is that you find that reassuring a little bit.

663
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 2: I find it reassuring, and I find it fascinating that

664
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 2: these things are built. It gives you a sense of

665
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 2: how powerful these engines are, but it also gives you

666
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 2: a sense of just how beautifully built these planes are.

667
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:31,240
Speaker 1: The physics and engineering of it, it's insane.

668
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, the physics of it are fascinating.

669
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 1: It's really really wild.

670
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 2: I would imagine it also has to do and probably

671
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 2: as they get lower there's more air for them to

672
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:45,479
Speaker 2: glide on. The air gets a little interesting, less thin

673
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 2: as they get lower.

674
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 1: Is that I'm sure you're right.

675
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 2: I have no idea what I'm talking about.

676
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 1: That's some cool atmospheric calculation you're doing.

677
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 2: I like that, that's right. I like that. I just

678
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 2: did an atmospheric calculation. That's great.

679
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 1: Well, now it's still really early in the morning or

680
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 1: late at night, depending on how you're looking at it,

681
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 1: So it's very very dark. Piche and Dieger they couldn't

682
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,360
Speaker 1: exactly see their surroundings very much, not to mention the

683
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 1: fact that it's basically dark. They have some electric This

684
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 1: is very cool. There's another special piece of technology that

685
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 1: was a bit of a rock star that night, and

686
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 1: that is what's called a RAM air turbine or RAT.

687
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 1: So in case of emergency engine out scenarios, and these

688
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 1: do happen more often than you think, there is this RAT.

689
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: It is a small wind turbine that deploys I think

690
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 1: from the bottom of the jet usually, and it's basically

691
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 1: a little propeller that is a power generator, and so

692
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: the power of the wind is hitting this little turbine

693
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:54,839
Speaker 1: and it generates some extra hydraulic and electrical power when

694
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 1: everything else is failed.

695
00:37:56,239 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 2: It gives them just enough power to have instrm minimum

696
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 2: hydraulics that they need.

697
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 1: Exactly and to power some of the instruments in the

698
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:06,919
Speaker 1: cockpit and so forth.

699
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 2: So like that's wild, yeah.

700
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 1: And talk about I mean you were, you were marveling

701
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 1: at the engineering of these things. There's so many things

702
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: about airplanes that are just mind blowing.

703
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:15,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

704
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 1: So with help from the RAT, do you do you

705
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 1: also wish, as I do, that it was an actual

706
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 1: RAT that deploys in emergencies.

707
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 2: He has a little captain's hat on. Do you wish

708
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:29,240
Speaker 2: that it was what he's doing, Yeah, and he's.

709
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 1: He just has a hamster wheel and that that's what's

710
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 1: generating the powers, all the power.

711
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:34,839
Speaker 2: That's right.

712
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: Oh, that would be amazing. I actually wish it was

713
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 1: the heavy metal band Rat.

714
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 2: Oh, God, me too, and.

715
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 1: They were on the plane, and that they would just

716
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 1: rock so hard that there was right, remember the hair

717
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 1: metal band Rat generating power.

718
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 2: Man, exactly, I just need to play out of the

719
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 2: cellar and everyone would be rocking out so much it

720
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 2: wouldn't even realize they're in danger.

721
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 1: No, no, not at all. The engineering to get the

722
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 1: band rat into the cargo hold of every airplane flight.

723
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 1: That seems like a tricky proposition, but I'm sure we

724
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:07,359
Speaker 1: can figure it out.

725
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 2: Challenging, but this is America.

726
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 1: Not insurmountable. Yeah, this is America. You're right, that's right.

727
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 1: With the help of this ram air turbine, the pilots

728
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 1: managed to bring a few critical systems back online and

729
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 1: fly the plane by hand. But they're still dropping really

730
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 1: really fast with limited control and zero thrust right right,

731
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 1: They just is getting closer and closer, which means there

732
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 1: is no time for caution. This is it. They have

733
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,240
Speaker 1: one shot at this landing. None of this is normal,

734
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 1: None of the trajectory and a descent rate and all

735
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 1: those things. None of it is like chill. So air

736
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 1: traffic controllers that lages are actually flickering the runway lights

737
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 1: on and off to help them see in the dark,

738
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 1: which is insane. The A three point thirty approaches LAG's

739
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,720
Speaker 1: airport at a very high speed and steep descent angle.

740
00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:00,399
Speaker 1: Piche actually had to maintain a speed over one hundred

741
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 1: and forty knots so that the ram air turbine would

742
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 1: continue to function. But he couldn't go above two hundred

743
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 1: knots or the landing gear might not extend.

744
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

745
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:16,919
Speaker 1: As they get closer, Piche realized he may have been

746
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,480
Speaker 1: and this is another little tasty bit of irony, he

747
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:22,760
Speaker 1: may have been too good at gliding. Because a normal

748
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,359
Speaker 1: approach is you would come into the airport at three

749
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,239
Speaker 1: thousand feet from when you're about ten miles away from

750
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 1: the runway. Piche had kept the plane up so high

751
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 1: for so long that they were actually at thirteen thousand

752
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 1: feet and now only eight miles away. So they're too high.

753
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 2: They're too high.

754
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 1: The Pichet's got some serious balls on this guy.

755
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 2: He's a badass.

756
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,640
Speaker 1: Yeah. He decides to pull a three hundred and sixty

757
00:40:46,680 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 1: degree turn so that he could drop several thousand feet,

758
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 1: all while Dieger is putting out the landing gear.

759
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,840
Speaker 2: That is a roll of the dice. Because you're dropping

760
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 2: the whole.

761
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 1: Time with no thrust, you cannot go back up. You've

762
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 1: got no room to go back up. So he gets

763
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 1: too low then they're fucked right. But he makes this

764
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 1: basically like a you know, a circle, and meanwhile Dieger

765
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 1: is dropping the landing gear. Now this is a wild thing.

766
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:18,480
Speaker 1: Usually it's a hydraulic system that is like fully electronic

767
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 1: and everything, and it just drops. But when you have

768
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 1: no power, they are actually these these levers or or

769
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 1: sort of like pull latches on the floor of the

770
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,919
Speaker 1: cockpit under a panel that you open up and you

771
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 1: pull these latches up, and that's it's you manually deploy

772
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:39,399
Speaker 1: the landing gear. Wow, And it pulls these cables and

773
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:42,280
Speaker 1: it releases the landing gear. The landing hear then falls

774
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 1: from the plane from gravity, not from the hydraulic pressure.

775
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,760
Speaker 1: So it's really why that's why he has to maintain

776
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 1: a speed because if he's going too fast, it will Yeah.

777
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 1: They get the landing gear out by hand. Uh. In

778
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,839
Speaker 1: the what's called the free fall method of landing gear

779
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 1: to employment and down there, going two hundred knots, the

780
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 1: plane makes contact with the runway and it hits hard.

781
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 1: In fact, it hits so hard that the plane bounces

782
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 1: and the landing gear and the tires burst from the impact. God,

783
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 1: somehow Piche brings it back down and the crew manages

784
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 1: to keep the aircraft on the runway and bring it

785
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:31,000
Speaker 1: to a stop, and holy shit, we are saved. Wow.

786
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:37,799
Speaker 1: Are you surprised? P shay? Yeah, this guy mm hmm.

787
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 1: This guy is a Badassah. That is crazy. Some questionable

788
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:48,240
Speaker 1: choices in the mix of the process, but no question

789
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 1: this man has mad skills and a serious like pilot's disposition.

790
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 1: Here's the casualty list. Sixteen passengers sustained minor injuries, and

791
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:01,760
Speaker 1: most of those were or from the evacuation of the plane,

792
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:05,719
Speaker 1: which that's usually what happens. Yeah right, which reportedly was

793
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 1: completed in approximately ninety seconds. And that's incredible to me

794
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 1: because when I think of like people deplaning, it is

795
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 1: such a just dumpster fire of elbows and anger and

796
00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 1: luggage pulling down whatever. But I would also imagine that

797
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 1: being scared of a plane exploding might help you get off.

798
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 2: That's very quicker. Yeah, I have a question for you.

799
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,280
Speaker 2: I always think about because just the other day people

800
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:33,839
Speaker 2: had to evacuate a Southwest flight or something, and I

801
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:37,800
Speaker 2: saw the footage of them, like bouncing down the slide

802
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 2: that they deploy off the side of the plane.

803
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 1: I miss that.

804
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 2: And I know that they always say when you are

805
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 2: evacuating a plane, do not grab your bags nothing, you

806
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 2: just get off the plane. Would you have a tough

807
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:52,360
Speaker 2: time just leaving your stuff on the plane. I feel

808
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 2: like I would grab my bag no matter what they said. Well,

809
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 2: I guess it depends how dire the situation. What's in

810
00:43:58,760 --> 00:43:59,720
Speaker 2: your bag, Adam?

811
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 1: Is it your hair?

812
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 2: Like?

813
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 1: What's going on here? Do we need to talk about this?

814
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 2: Ed? Take it easy?

815
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 1: To be a question raises additional questions.

816
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 2: I guess you're right, never mind.

817
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 1: Never mind, moving on. I think I would. I think

818
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 1: I would be pretty okay leaving my bag. Yeah. I mean,

819
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,280
Speaker 1: I like my AirPod Max's and I love my laptop.

820
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 1: I kind of would die without it. I don't love it,

821
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 1: but I would be in trouble without it.

822
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:29,719
Speaker 2: But I would leave it.

823
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 1: I would leave it behind. I don't think that makes

824
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 1: me a better person than you, Adam, but maybe maybe a.

825
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 2: Litt I was just kidding when I said all that

826
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 2: about wanting to grab my bag. That wasn't real.

827
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:40,920
Speaker 1: I still think you're a good person.

828
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 2: Oh, thank you, thank you.

829
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 1: Okay, great, I still think you're a good person, no

830
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 1: matter what. Remarkably, all three hundred and six people on

831
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 1: board survived and the plane, the plane itself, was mostly intact.

832
00:44:56,920 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 1: Pichet and Dieger were heroes. Later investigations found that had

833
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 1: the pilots followed any of the traditional fuel leak procedures

834
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 1: set in place, remember they opted not to do so,

835
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 1: they would have actually been much better off and landed

836
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 1: totally safely with three point eight metric tons of fuel

837
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 1: still on board, but hindsight is twenty twenty. Despite this,

838
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:25,919
Speaker 1: Piche was awarded the Superior Airmanship Award and was even

839
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 1: the subject of a twenty ten docudrama about the events

840
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:33,840
Speaker 1: of the Fateful Night called in French Pichet entre sierre eeteire,

841
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:39,240
Speaker 1: Oh my God, or in English Pichet Between the Earth

842
00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 1: and the Sky. Oh Gotta see it. Yeah, yeah, check

843
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 1: it out. And just what was the cause of the

844
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 1: fuel leak Adam Scott. Well, it turns out that the

845
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:56,359
Speaker 1: fuel tube and the hydraulic line didn't have as much

846
00:45:56,400 --> 00:46:00,720
Speaker 1: separation as the mechanics thought. So vibrations from the engine

847
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 1: power caused an immense amount of chafing to occur. I

848
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 1: know what that's like. Let me jail age there. Chafing

849
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 1: just goes through the roof. Eventually, this created a three

850
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:17,799
Speaker 1: inch crack. I know, you know what.

851
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 2: That's like, three inch crack. You don't have to tell me.

852
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 1: You have a three inch crack. I do very cute,

853
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 1: tidy little butt with a three inch crack. Three inches.

854
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 2: It's all you need.

855
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 1: It's all you need. So vibrations from the engine power

856
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:42,720
Speaker 1: caused an immense amount of chafing to occur, eventually creating

857
00:46:42,719 --> 00:46:45,799
Speaker 1: a three All this chafing eventually created a three inch

858
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 1: crack in the fuel tube. Here's an image. Let's take

859
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 1: a look.

860
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:54,439
Speaker 2: That's what caused all this. Yeah, that's it.

861
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:58,319
Speaker 1: That's it. Yeah. That that is where all of the

862
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:02,759
Speaker 1: fuel just like gus out into the Atlantic Ocean. We're

863
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,120
Speaker 1: not even talking about the poor fishies who are like

864
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 1: drinking gasoline all of a sudden. That's a big bummer.

865
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 2: So, like, what the fuck is all this? Yeah, it's

866
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 2: crazy when you look at something like that, which is

867
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 2: just a crack in a tube, that shit doesn't go

868
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:22,799
Speaker 2: wrong more often. Yeah, these giant aircraft, Yeah.

869
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:27,480
Speaker 1: I agree. Why can't we bring the same attention to

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Speaker 1: detail and like perfect execution track record to homeless management

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Speaker 1: or like city government or all these things like efficiency

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Speaker 1: and safety with which these airlines operate. It's totally breathtaking

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Speaker 1: and the amount of maintenance and upkeeps that these planes

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Speaker 1: require and they're all with they're just there are so

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Speaker 1: many protocols and safeguards in place that the safety record

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Speaker 1: is amazing. I mean so obviously still accidents, but like

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Speaker 1: it's incredible, it really is. And to me that's like

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Speaker 1: one of the great human achievements is just like successful

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Speaker 1: commercial aviation. It's just it's mind blowing one hundred percent.

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Speaker 1: And for I'm sure you fly all the time, of

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Speaker 1: people that fly all the time, it really couldn't be

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Speaker 1: more grateful that we have that the world really has

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Speaker 1: this aviation system. Yeah, that's pretty close to perfect. Think

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Speaker 1: about if if the safety record degraded from here even

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Speaker 1: just a little bit. Yeah, what how damaging that would

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Speaker 1: be to the entire industry. I mean not to mention

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Speaker 1: like dangerous for people, but like it it could just

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Speaker 1: implode the airline industry because once people don't trust it

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Speaker 1: like it's life. Every flight is life or death totally.

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Speaker 1: So this little airbus A three thirty that could it

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Speaker 1: was miraculously repaired and returned to service. It continued to

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Speaker 1: fly for air trans At until it retired in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty one. As a result of Flight two thirty six,

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Speaker 1: air Transit revised its maintenance procedures and enhanced crew training,

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Speaker 1: and despite the incident, the airline's reputation remained largely intact

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Speaker 1: because of the successful landing. Thanks to piche, Flight two

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Speaker 1: thirty six is now a case study used in aviation

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Speaker 1: schools and pilot training programs. And that is our story,

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Speaker 1: Adam Scott. Any major takeaways, major observations or lessons for.

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Speaker 2: You, well, as I learned from Nathan Fielder, most airline

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Speaker 2: incidents are due to pilot error, but also most airline

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Speaker 2: kind of close calls or or things going right are

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Speaker 2: because of pilot's skill, So they hopefully balance each other out.

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Speaker 2: I remember once we were on a flight to Hawaii,

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Speaker 2: and just short of the halfway mark to Hawaii, the

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Speaker 2: pilot came on and said we were turning around because

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Speaker 2: of a malfunction. Right, no, And so for the two

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Speaker 2: and a half hours whatever it was back to Los Angeles,

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Speaker 2: all I could think was we were just about halfway.

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Speaker 2: Whatever it is that's wrong with the plane, they are

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Speaker 2: buying the twenty to thirty minutes rather than just you know,

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Speaker 2: continuing on. They think it's serious enough that we So

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Speaker 2: it was two and a half hours of holy shit,

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Speaker 2: what's going to happen? And you know that may have

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Speaker 2: been a pilot just making a call and he or

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Speaker 2: she made the right call. So you just kind of

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Speaker 2: never know. I don't know if I would be able

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Speaker 2: to make calls like that, I guess, is what I'm

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Speaker 2: trying to say.

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Speaker 1: I do think there's you're onto something. We were joking

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Speaker 1: earlier about how we would handle a crisis like this.

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Speaker 1: It's the pilots are tested so rigorously and trained so

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Speaker 1: much that they are very often, very reliable in these

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Speaker 1: emergency situations, and it is incredible. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: you remember the movie The Right stuff. Did you watch

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Speaker 1: that movie? Sam Shepherd plays Chuck Jaeger, the famous test pilot.

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Speaker 1: Chuck Yeger had a reputation for just never ever ever panicking,

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Speaker 1: and even in the most insane like like his he

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Speaker 1: would be testing a jet that would fall into a

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Speaker 1: flat spin and start cartwheeling back down to Earth and

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Speaker 1: he'd just be like, Okay, I need to engage right

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Speaker 1: flaps and always have the most And he was legendary

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Speaker 1: for that.

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Speaker 2: It's so crazy.

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Speaker 1: That's like a pilot's disposition. There's something superhuman about it.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's incredibly cool and admirable because it's

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Speaker 1: not just being cool under pressure. It's like maintaining the

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Speaker 1: ability to problem solve and stay analytical and like keep

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Speaker 1: your wits about you. I feel like I could, like

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Speaker 1: it would be heroic just to remain calm.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, just to keep that heartbreat down.

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Speaker 1: Or to keep the veneer of calm the kids keep

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Speaker 1: like for as a parent, you know, but even if

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Speaker 1: you're panicking inside, But to stay calm and still be

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Speaker 1: able to process and think and make shrewd decisions like

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Speaker 1: that is extremely badass. Yeah, Adam Scott, I am already

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Speaker 1: planning the logistics of our backpacking trip across Europe in

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Speaker 1: my mind, and I can't wait for that to happen.

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Speaker 1: And we're going to make an Oscar winning documentary about it.

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Speaker 2: That's right, And thank you for saying, Oscar. I think

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Speaker 2: you're right. That's exactly where it would be feature film.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I always love hanging out with you, and I'm

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Speaker 1: so gratefully you came on board.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you for having me. I'm really really happy

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Speaker 2: to be here. Thanks man, that was a great story too,

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Speaker 2: Thank you awesome.

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Speaker 1: executive producers are me Ed Helms, Mike Falbo, Glenn Basner,

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Speaker 1: Andy Kim, and Dylan Fagan. This episode was produced by

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Speaker 1: Alyssa Martino and Tory Smith. Our managing producer is Carl Nellis.

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Speaker 1: have you, don't forget to pick up a copy of

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Speaker 1: my book, Snaffoo, The Definitive Guide to History's Greatest screw Ups.

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Speaker 1: It's available now from any book retailer. Just go to

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