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Speaker 1: Iron Rapport Stereo Podcast. UM interview with Brian Winhurst, ESPN

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Speaker 1: basketball analyst, NBA analyst commentator. Uh, he doesn't do broadcasting,

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Speaker 1: but you know he commentates on the NBA. They call

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Speaker 1: him the lebron Whisperer. UM. Great interview. Coming up. But

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Speaker 1: before we get to that, UM, we interviewed, We interviewed

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Speaker 1: him yesterday. I interviewed him yesterday. And then you know,

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Speaker 1: obviously what happened in Dallas last night. UM. You know,

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Speaker 1: we wanted to acknowledge it, UM before this, before the interview. UM,

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Speaker 1: everybody knows about what happened. It's a fucking tragedy. UM.

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Speaker 1: It's scary, it's it's just it's it's so upsetting on

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Speaker 1: so many levels. Five police officers killed at a peaceful

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Speaker 1: protest for the Gentleman in Louisiana and the Gentleman in Minnesota,

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Speaker 1: both of whom were killed by cops. And then you know,

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Speaker 1: a crazed person wanted to take down cops. So you

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Speaker 1: have crazy cops, and you've got crazy people, and everybody

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Speaker 1: has kids, and everybody is somebody's sons, somebody's brother, somebody's boyfriend,

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Speaker 1: somebody's husband, and and now there's just loss loss, loss, loss,

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Speaker 1: loss across the board. UM. And I didn't feel like

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Speaker 1: we we could get into this interview without talking about this.

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Speaker 1: UM before I I I let you speak movie. You know,

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Speaker 1: I was I was thinking, you know, in the earlier

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Speaker 1: episode that we we did today today's a part of

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Speaker 1: a double header. You know about this fear. You know,

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Speaker 1: you were saying yesterday, you know, these people fear black people,

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Speaker 1: and you know, I was trying to think of my

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Speaker 1: own history and path and feelings about that. I remember

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Speaker 1: about ten twelve years ago, Charles Barkley wrote a book

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Speaker 1: and the title of the book was Who's Afraid of

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Speaker 1: a Big Black Man? And and you know, it's like,

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Speaker 1: you know, the reality of it is is like, you know,

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Speaker 1: I understand this, this this this fear. Um. I'm fortunate

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Speaker 1: at such a young age. But but you know, I think,

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Speaker 1: about I'm trying to articulate myself, so don't don't don't

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Speaker 1: are listening to the to the podcast. Is that you

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Speaker 1: know you think about like, oh, well, you know white

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Speaker 1: uh what what is that? What? What is that? And

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Speaker 1: that's not always the truth, you know, that's a general thing.

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Speaker 1: But you know, these cops are afraid of black people.

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Speaker 1: White people are afraid to black people, and and you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to think what that is. And you know,

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Speaker 1: You know, it was delirious, the second thing you talked about.

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Speaker 1: And I was thinking about that and where that comes from,

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Speaker 1: And and I think it comes from the hostility, the frustration,

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Speaker 1: I live in Manhattan on the opper East Side. When

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Speaker 1: you get in, now, G Moody has no sort of uh.

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Speaker 1: Those who who have never met uh G Moody, Gimonetti, Uh,

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Speaker 1: Gerald Moody, you have no sort of uh. You You're

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Speaker 1: this guy that his his nephew named him fun loving

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Speaker 1: It's nothing said, but your the eyes speak as well,

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Speaker 1: you know. And and that comes from like I said earlier,

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Speaker 1: control over it. This image has been projected upon the world.

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Speaker 1: And what is that image. It's not a wholesome, good image, right,

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Speaker 1: it's any constitution were referred to as others. You see.

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Speaker 1: So black people are not really angry. We just want

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Speaker 1: but but but the anger. You know, it's like I

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Speaker 1: go go figure it out. Now it's never been figured out.

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Speaker 1: It's never been dealt with correctly. It's never been and

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Speaker 1: Motherfucker's are still being shifted on. Motherfucker's is still being treaty, bad, stereotyped,

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Speaker 1: um beaten. Um. Wait wait until they uncover the corruption

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Speaker 1: until they uncover that it will be a mirror of Ferguson,

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Speaker 1: a mirror of Baltimore. All this is always always smoldering underneath,

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Speaker 1: and then when a rite comes out, then people are like,

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Speaker 1: why are they rioting? The racism, the corruption that that's

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Speaker 1: And then, like I said, the image of black people

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Speaker 1: So what you what's done in the past affects the future.

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Speaker 1: The filter, I don't know, Man, I like said, I'm

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Speaker 1: not trying to. We're not trying to. You know, we

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Speaker 1: I know that the deaths of the of the people,

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Speaker 1: the deaths, the whole thing murdering no one. No one

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Speaker 1: That should never happen. None of that. Ship is good man,

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Speaker 1: And we just have to come to an understanding of

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Speaker 1: why there's so much hostility towards black men. Towards black men,

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Speaker 1: there's been a history of that. You have to deal

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Speaker 1: for us, we're not seeing as American citizen, full American citizens.

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Speaker 1: Just got the right to vote, and what in the sixties,

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Speaker 1: That's why there's two sets of laws. That's why it's

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Speaker 1: never an indictment. And prosecutors will tell you, lawyers will

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Speaker 1: That's why I call him the no good judge. Richard

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Speaker 1: Nisson wasn't talking bullshit when he was saying that ship.

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Speaker 1: There's an a war on black This is an executive order.

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Speaker 1: This goes into policy. And if you're an a war,

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Speaker 1: you've got soldiers. I call the prosecutors the judges, and

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Speaker 1: comes from the highest office in the land. So no,

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Speaker 1: it's terrible, and oh it needs to be addressed. We're

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Speaker 1: not making this ship up. And the sooner people come

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Speaker 1: It's if it's an American problem. When you see the

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Speaker 1: the obligation of the other Americans. To to say, Yo, man,

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Speaker 1: it's just they're just doing it to these people. This

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Speaker 1: is there right right, everybody should come out, not just

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Speaker 1: for no fucking dogs and no fucking dolfers. The ship

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Speaker 1: fellow black human beings are being cut down routinely. Mr

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Speaker 1: Moodie does good ship. It's Staring Wrappports Stereo podcast. We're

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Speaker 1: getting ready to get into an interview with Brian Winhurst.

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Speaker 1: make it up. My decision on July one. Problem the

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Speaker 1: heats meeting with Durant was July three. All right, So

425
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:33,200
Speaker 1: Riley basically has a choice. He either let's a sound

426
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,679
Speaker 1: Whiteside walk, which he would have done and pictures Durant,

427
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:38,639
Speaker 1: or he's got a cow tow to this guy who

428
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 1: literally a year and a half ago was at a

429
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Speaker 1: Y m C A. And and Hassan White's a great

430
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:48,119
Speaker 1: defensive player, athletic DeAndre Jordan type. Same thing. Cannot you

431
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 1: free throws? Has you know there's a high upside, but

432
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:54,280
Speaker 1: we still don't know, like DeAndre Jordan's listen, they change.

433
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 1: They knocked down doors last year for him, right, Okay,

434
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Speaker 1: so go ahead. So Riley cow to House is like,

435
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 1: all right, we'll be with hu Jual life one and

436
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 1: signs him, gets him, He gets his agreement life And

437
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:08,880
Speaker 1: what did he signed for? He signed for ninety eight

438
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 1: million dollars eight million dollars over how many years? Four years?

439
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:16,200
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ? Okay, now and then it was a great

440
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,200
Speaker 1: story for this dude. Yes, it's a great story. He was.

441
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 1: He was literally not part of the NBA. He was

442
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,359
Speaker 1: out of the NBA, had been cut like four times,

443
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,679
Speaker 1: had played in China, had played in like crappy leagues

444
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 1: in Europe, got cut, was in Charlotte at the y

445
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Speaker 1: m c A. He called him up, send him to

446
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 1: the d le whatever. So then Dwayne Wade is like,

447
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:38,199
Speaker 1: wait a minute, Wait a minute. So not only are

448
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 1: you telling me to sit on the runway for Kevin Durant,

449
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 1: which you can kind of understand, but still you're Dwayne Wade.

450
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,920
Speaker 1: You're taking care of Hassan Whiteside before me and Dwayne

451
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,160
Speaker 1: didn't have anything against Whiteside. Me, he made a strong play,

452
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 1: but he made pat drop to his knees essentially and

453
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 1: deal with him first. So Wade's like, and not only that,

454
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:02,159
Speaker 1: Riley didn't even call them, didn't call Waite, didn't call Wade. Now,

455
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 1: how does this first of all, how does this happen? Like? What? Well?

456
00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:07,680
Speaker 1: What is wrong with Pat Riley? And and and give

457
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 1: me bring me up to speed on this whole thing.

458
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,439
Speaker 1: Where like during the Lebron era and the Ray Allen

459
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 1: and the Chris Bosh, Wade took pay cuts. That's a fact.

460
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:18,399
Speaker 1: So I'll try to make this simple. So in two

461
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:22,160
Speaker 1: thousand ten, when all those guys got together, they didn't

462
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 1: have enough money to sign all of them at their

463
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:28,439
Speaker 1: total max tilers. So literally the three of them got

464
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,440
Speaker 1: in a room and they said, all right, you take

465
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,120
Speaker 1: a little bit less. You take a little bit less,

466
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 1: and I'll take less. And Wade took the biggest cut

467
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 1: of all, not only to make room for bosh And

468
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 1: and Lebron, but also to make room for his buddy

469
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 1: Udonis Haslem. Haslam was gone, and basically, essentially the checks

470
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 1: that Udonis Haslem got for the next four years essentially

471
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 1: might as well have come out of Dwayne Wade's pocket.

472
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 1: I mean, they came from the Heat, but it was

473
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 1: because Dwayne Wade. Now what the Heat will say is

474
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Speaker 1: we were gonna give you your money. Dwayne, you were

475
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,119
Speaker 1: the one that said make room for for whites, for um,

476
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 1: for Aslam. But essentially that's what happened. He subsidized Udonis

477
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:10,119
Speaker 1: Haslem for the Heat for four years. Then when Lebron

478
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:14,439
Speaker 1: walked in, Uh, the Heat were devastated. They weren't expecting

479
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 1: not to happen. You know, um, you know Riley. Riley's

480
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,720
Speaker 1: greatness is unquestioned, and his greatness in two thousand ten

481
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,399
Speaker 1: when he sold Lebron, I mean he walked into that

482
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 1: room and he sold Lebron. James on bolting from Cleveland

483
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 1: in Cleveland, like if this week was one of the

484
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 1: worst weeks of Riley's career as an executive. That week

485
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:36,200
Speaker 1: in Cleveland two thousand ten, he comes into Cleveland, into

486
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Speaker 1: the into their home turf infilter infill traits Cleveland's home turf.

487
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Speaker 1: Does the meeting the Los Angeles Clips is great. Los

488
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:46,359
Speaker 1: Angeles Clippers are supposed to show up at like one o'clock.

489
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 1: The meeting is supposed to be there's a meeting with

490
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Speaker 1: the Heat at eleven. The Clippers are going to be

491
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Speaker 1: at one. Clippers show up at like, you know, twelve

492
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 1: fifty and they're like, we're sorry, Mr James is still

493
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Speaker 1: meeting with the Heat one one, one thirty. The Clippers

494
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Speaker 1: are like, what's going on? Riley's like, no, no, You'll

495
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 1: sit out there and wait. Now you're on the runway

496
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Speaker 1: l a Clippers. He knew what he was doing, so

497
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 1: he sold them in that meeting greatness. But now I

498
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 1: just don't know if he has the same touch. So

499
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Speaker 1: two thousand fourteen. This is what Riley thinks he is

500
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Speaker 1: gonna do again. He's gonna come in and meet with

501
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Speaker 1: with Lebron. So there's a there's a wedding. This is

502
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 1: after they lost to the Spurs. After they lost the

503
00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:23,879
Speaker 1: Spurs dismantled them for one dismantling you know, you know,

504
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:27,399
Speaker 1: I had pleasure. I love I loved watching it. It

505
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 1: was a beautiful thing. Riley Um holds a press conference

506
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 1: after that and he and he knows Lebron is thinking

507
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 1: about leaving, and he walks out and he slammed the

508
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 1: first thing. He sits down and he slams his fist

509
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 1: on the on the desk bam. And he goes, I'm pissed,

510
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 1: and he starts going on the soliloquy about you gotta

511
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 1: have guts, you gotta want to come back, and he

512
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 1: was like talking to Lebron, and Um, Lebron was like,

513
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 1: I mean, Lebron was probably already thinking of leaving anyway,

514
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 1: Like I'm not saying that that made a difference, but

515
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 1: Lebron was like, what are you talking about, old man?

516
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: And so a couple of days later, there's a big wedding.

517
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:08,720
Speaker 1: Lebron's trainer. He's getting married in Coconut Grove to a

518
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 1: Miami girl, girl he met down there. Um, he's a

519
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 1: great guy. He just had to be had a baby

520
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 1: the day be four, Game seven of the finals. Great guy.

521
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 1: So Riley is going to go to the wedding and

522
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 1: his his move is he's gonna get Lebron cornered at

523
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: the wedding and they're gonna, you know, hash it out

524
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 1: over like a drink, just like the Godfather does you

525
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 1: know at the you know, the wedding. And Riley couldn't

526
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 1: get to Lebron at the wedding. Lebron like didn't allow

527
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 1: a meeting at the wedding. So Riley had misjudged what

528
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 1: he could do. So now Lebron Bolts and the heat

529
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 1: are like damn, and they're about to lose Chris Bosh

530
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 1: because Boss is like ready to go to Houston. He's

531
00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,959
Speaker 1: from Texas, He's ready to go to Houston. They were

532
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 1: in big trouble and Wade saved him. Wade takes a

533
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 1: ten million dollar pay cut. This all right, So now

534
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 1: he's left money on the table in two thousand and ten,

535
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 1: he's left while lot of money at the table in

536
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 1: two thousand fourteen, all right, two thousand fifteen, last summer,

537
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 1: he wants a long term deal. He's like, okay, I

538
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 1: took care of you. Now you give me a couple

539
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 1: of years, pay me back. We're going to be square.

540
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 1: And they're like, you know, we kind of want to

541
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 1: chase Kevin Durant next year. How would you feel about

542
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 1: taking a one year contract, not even like a one

543
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 1: year contact with an option, like all these guys get

544
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: options just in case, like he hurt his knee or anything.

545
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 1: He had no protection. One year deal which was this season,

546
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 1: which is this season? And how much did they pay him?

547
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 1: Twenty million dollars which was good money, but he had

548
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 1: taken ten million dollars less. He's still behind because if

549
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 1: he had taken the regular contract, he'd have been over twenty.

550
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 1: So then this year comes and they're like, he's like, okay,

551
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 1: I just had a really good year. I'm thirty four

552
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 1: years old. Take care of me. He's the best player

553
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 1: on the team, and he and so when he's giving

554
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 1: up this money here and there, it's just like there's

555
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 1: no written deal, there's no agents. It's just like it's

556
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 1: just like kind of agreed upon, right, there's no there's nothing.

557
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 1: We'll take care of you, all right. Rule number one,

558
00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 1: you gotta have it written. Fuck the handships. You can't

559
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 1: write it because you can't take up. You can't have

560
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 1: a deal. That's not a deal. Like like I can't

561
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 1: say to you, like I can give you a deal,

562
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 1: here's your two years whatever million. I can't give you

563
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 1: a deal. It says, here's your one year deal. But

564
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 1: wink wink, I got it's gotta be wake wake, it

565
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 1: can't be signed. So way, it's like, okay, I took

566
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 1: care of you over and over and they were like

567
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 1: wait on the runway. And that set him off. That

568
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 1: set him on. Then he started meeting teams and then

569
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 1: he's like I listened. He told his agent, gotel teams.

570
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 1: I want to take bids. And that's what I mean.

571
00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 1: You know a bunch of little details that happen you

572
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 1: don't need to know about it, concern yourself with. But essentially,

573
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 1: are there any good details that I want to share

574
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 1: in this podcast? Look? Look here, look like here's the thing.

575
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 1: So like when they go to meet with Durant, they say,

576
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 1: all right, we're gonna offer you twenty six million dollars

577
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,959
Speaker 1: for this next season. This is Miami. Yeah, they met

578
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 1: with him on Sunday. Today's Thursday. They go to meet

579
00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: with him on Sunday. They go, here's twenty we want

580
00:31:59,920 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 1: to we're gonna sign you for twenty six million. And

581
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 1: Durant's like, well, you only have nineteen million of space,

582
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: how are you gonna get to twenty six? Don't worry

583
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,239
Speaker 1: about it. So Durant's like, all right, thank you. Next day,

584
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 1: Duran says, all right, I'm going to Golden State. So

585
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 1: now Wade, who's been sitting on the runway, pay me.

586
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 1: And they go, okay, Dwayne, we're very happy to offer

587
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 1: you two years and forty million, starting with this nineteen

588
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 1: million that we have this year. And Dwayne's like, what

589
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 1: are you talking about nineteen million? What's all we have? Dwayne?

590
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: We have nineteen million. He goes, you said you were

591
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: gonna get Durant twenty six. Well, how come you can't

592
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 1: get me? He won how come you can't get me

593
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 1: twenty five? And at this point it's not even about

594
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 1: the six million. I mean, no offense. Six millions and

595
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 1: still a lot of money. I mean, he still wanted it.

596
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 1: It wasn't like that'ssequential. But he were like, no, man, um,

597
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 1: we got nineteen for you. And basically they were they

598
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: were saying a couple of things. One they were saying,

599
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 1: we don't think you'll leave. That's number one. Number two

600
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: they were saying, we don't think that you're is worth

601
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 1: it as Kevin Durant, which is true at this point,

602
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 1: but nonetheless, the point is they had just offered Durant

603
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 1: this my two days before. How whatever plan they had

604
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:12,200
Speaker 1: to get it all right, and so Dwayne was like, no, man,

605
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 1: I'm out of here, and that was it. That was it.

606
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 1: Give me the three people you you you when I

607
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 1: was talking to earlier. Give me three of the richest

608
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 1: people that I've never heard of in the NBA that

609
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,719
Speaker 1: made made good in this offseason before we even get

610
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 1: to the Durant. Give me three names of people that

611
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 1: even me big basketball mind that I am, you are

612
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 1: never heard of, that are so rich right now this

613
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 1: summer and that are just riding around going crazy. Give

614
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 1: me three names. Have you heard of John Lure? Never

615
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 1: heard of him? Is this guy in the NBA? He

616
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 1: is what? What? What position does he play? He's a

617
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 1: power forward, a stretch for I wouldn't know him if

618
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 1: he if I wouldn't know him if he came and

619
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 1: slapped me in the face. He's from Wisconsin. He looks

620
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:55,400
Speaker 1: like he's from Wisconsin. Very pasty white, Yes, tall, Okay?

621
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Speaker 1: And how much did he make? Forty two million for

622
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: how long? Four years? Forty two million from the John

623
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: lure lure l e u e er. What team does

624
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 1: this guy play for? He plays now for the Detroit Pistons.

625
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 1: He's a very rich man. Okay, give me give me

626
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 1: number two? You said, another dude, Solomon somebody I never

627
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 1: heard of, Solomon Hill. Solomon Hill plays for plays for

628
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,839
Speaker 1: now the New Orleans Pelicans. It makes And how much

629
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:20,839
Speaker 1: money does Solomon Hill have in his in his bank

630
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 1: account coming to him? Four years million, four years forty million?

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Speaker 1: Solomon Hill? Who I again? If he came up, smacked

632
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Speaker 1: me in the face, told me some things about my mom,

633
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,959
Speaker 1: I still wouldn't know. Salom Hill is a great story.

634
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 1: So last year he's got an option in his contract

635
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 1: for two million bucks for this year and he's playing

636
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 1: for the Pacers and Larry Birds. Says um, I'm not

637
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 1: picking it up. You're done. You You're gonna be out

638
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: of thistly he didn't think he was working hard enough

639
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 1: or whatever. And Larry Bird actually said to him, and again,

640
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 1: this is not some Birdie that told me this, and

641
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 1: I'm not revealing anything. Larry Birds said this in front

642
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 1: of microphones. I heard it. He told me, Goes, I'll

643
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 1: see in the D league. Kid. Oh about this guy, yeah, Solomon.

644
00:34:58,320 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 1: He was saying, you're not good enough and not only

645
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 1: my not picking you up, picking up your option, I'll

646
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:03,879
Speaker 1: see in the D League, right. He just there's something

647
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,359
Speaker 1: about this guy. Bird didn't like him and didn't respect him.

648
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 1: Four years, forty eight million, and and that might be

649
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 1: more than Larry Bird made. Uh No, but it's close

650
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: made his whole career. Well, he's made a lot of

651
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Speaker 1: money as an executive, know what I'm saying As an

652
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Speaker 1: NBA player. I could look it up, but it's you're

653
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 1: probably it's close enough that it's a conversation. Pace. Give

654
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Speaker 1: me one more person who I've never heard of me

655
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,240
Speaker 1: being the great big basketball mind that I am, who's

656
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Speaker 1: made so much money in the last three or four weeks.

657
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 1: Have you heard of Bismac beyond Bo Yes, Bismack I

658
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 1: know Toronto, but he but he he I listen, he

659
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 1: he made a splash stir in the playoffs, and I

660
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:42,800
Speaker 1: was this. I didn't say it was like, you know,

661
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:44,840
Speaker 1: I didn't say he was Greg lu Gainess splash. But

662
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,360
Speaker 1: he made a splash. Okay, because sixty four million is

663
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: what he got from the Orlando Magic, you know, based

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Speaker 1: on his defensive prowess, his hustle as a team guy,

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00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 1: you and the fact that there's so few guys that

666
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 1: are leg he's a big man's big man at this point, right,

667
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 1: he's down low, he bo shot, he protected the rim, right,

668
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 1: and but sixty you think that's crazy, Well, it's what

669
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Speaker 1: the market says. I mean. Maskov got six podcast. Welcome

670
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Speaker 1: it at play dot it. What's the deal with the

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Speaker 1: free HD Why did everybody like Solomon what's his name Hill,

674
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 1: Solomon Hill busy? How did their money go off? And

675
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Speaker 1: then what happened that you wrote about in the last

676
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Speaker 1: twenty four hours where now they're pulling money back. So

677
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 1: break it down in in layman's terms for me. Okay,

678
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 1: So this year that just finished, the NBA got nine

679
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 1: million bucks from the TV networks. That's t N, T

680
00:36:55,880 --> 00:37:02,360
Speaker 1: Turner and uh AN, ESPN, ABC. So they negotiated that

681
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 1: eight years ago. Okay, two thousand eight nine ish economy

682
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 1: was not doing as well. Just in this year loans

683
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 1: they're getting two point seven billion. The NBA, yes, the

684
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:17,280
Speaker 1: teams and the players. So it went from nine hundred

685
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 1: million to two point seven play so very simple. It tripled,

686
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:22,840
Speaker 1: so everything, so you have to look at it with

687
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 1: everything triples, you know. So if you were a and

688
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 1: you know, there's a whole bunch of machinations, but if

689
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,839
Speaker 1: you were a six million dollar player five six years ago,

690
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 1: you're now an eighteen million dollar player because the way

691
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 1: the math has gone. And the thing about it is

692
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 1: there's only fifteen guys per roster, so the money just exploded.

693
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:45,320
Speaker 1: It's just it's just pure economics. The league is thriving hugely,

694
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 1: it's doing extraordinarily well. During the fourth quarter of Game

695
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 1: seven of the finals, okay, so in two thousand let

696
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 1: me take it back in two thousand seven when Lebron

697
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 1: made the finals for the first time, played the Spurs.

698
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,919
Speaker 1: It's a terrible series. He got blown out four ohs.

699
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 1: Still not a million people watched on average, Right, Okay,

700
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 1: nine million people is a lot of people, but it's

701
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 1: not great. In the fourth quarter of Game seven of

702
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 1: the Finals this year, million people were watching and twenty

703
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 1: I think it was twenty two or twenty three million

704
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: people averaged viewership throughout the throughout the every you know,

705
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,439
Speaker 1: your average per minute of the series. Obviously, the longer

706
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 1: series goes, more people watched. So just there's way more

707
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Speaker 1: people interested in it. Okay, that makes sense, and and

708
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 1: and and and now break down to me what happened

709
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 1: in the last twenty four hours because I read this

710
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 1: article that you wrote. I believe it was today that

711
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 1: now I'm I'm impressed that you're you're you did you're

712
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 1: really because this is a good example. Did you care

713
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 1: about this stuff in the NBA like five six years ago?

714
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean listen, I don't mean the league.

715
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 1: I mean like the intrinsic little things, well not the no,

716
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 1: not so much the details and stuff like that. But

717
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 1: I think social media, the you know, the abundance of

718
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 1: ESPN stuff. I think for people that want to know

719
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 1: about it, it's easy, You're it's getting easier and easier

720
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,320
Speaker 1: to understand it because of people like you that explain

721
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 1: it in layman's terms. Because on Twitter, because you know,

722
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,840
Speaker 1: there's professionals, there's regular Joe Schmoz and I think you

723
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 1: can understand it. But I am interested in it because

724
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a fan of it. You know, and and

725
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: you know, and I break balls, but I'm a fan

726
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 1: of I love to see these guys making money, the

727
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 1: guys who I know of and the guys who I

728
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 1: don't know of. Um, I'm glad to see the league

729
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 1: doing well so so so for me, it's just I'm

730
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Speaker 1: just a fan, you know. But the tangiously thing is

731
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 1: so crazy. But ten you'll me ask you this. Ten

732
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 1: years ago, if you were talking about the Knicks, you'd

733
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 1: be like, man, Courtney Lee, he's gonna fit in real good.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I would have a clue. I don't think

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Speaker 1: people I don't think. I think now, because of social

736
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 1: media and the immediacy, you could look up Courtney Lee.

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Speaker 1: You could really kind of you know, get you could

738
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Speaker 1: get a history into somebody that I happen to know

739
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 1: a good amount about Courtly and Courtney Lee. But you know,

740
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Speaker 1: the I think because you're able to track people, um

741
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 1: easier Now I think a fan is able to be

742
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 1: more involved even in the off season. So that that's

743
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 1: my deal with it. Um, you know, but I think,

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00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,399
Speaker 1: you know, honestly, I'm not and I'm just saying it's

745
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 1: like guys like you that are explaining it in layman's terms.

746
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,279
Speaker 1: I still feel like the NFL sometimes, you know, it's

747
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 1: lacking in guys that are explaining the off the field

748
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 1: stuff in terms that are tangible. Um. But I think

749
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 1: the NBA like it. It's really been broken down like

750
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 1: this offseason, like everybody's everybody seems to be in on

751
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 1: and I think that's good because fans want to know

752
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,879
Speaker 1: why are these guys making money? Who who are they?

753
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 1: Why do they deserve it? And so that's sort of

754
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:38,800
Speaker 1: like over the last ten or fifteen years, fantasy sports

755
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 1: have gotten really big. Everybody's got a fantasy team. I

756
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 1: know you're a big fantasy player. I'm fantastic fantasy football player.

757
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:49,319
Speaker 1: I've never actually started your preparation for me. As soon

758
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 1: as the finals ended, I had to get out of

759
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 1: of my my, my, my sorrows and disappointment of the

760
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 1: Warriors losing. I had to put it all down. I

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00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:01,320
Speaker 1: did not watch you or your coverage of the parade.

762
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 1: I I've seen clips um and and I and I

763
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 1: started focusing on my first, second and third round picks.

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Speaker 1: How many leagues are you in? Well, I usually play

765
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 1: in one league, but because my fantasy prowess is growing

766
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: and growing and growing, this year, I'll probably play in

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Speaker 1: three leagues. I I am what you call um uh,

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00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 1: I'm wanted in the fantasy world, right you. You're trash

769
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Speaker 1: talking is famous. I'm known for it. And it's not

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00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 1: just the trash by you saying, by you bringing up

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00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 1: trashing first, it kind of diminishes the fantasy player that

772
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,520
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, please, I thank you. I appreciate that

773
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 1: because I am known for my trash talking. But I

774
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:38,600
Speaker 1: am I am also a consummate winner. Okay, okay, here's winner.

775
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 1: But so here's the thing. People now, because they all

776
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 1: have all these fantasy teams and the daily fantasy stuff,

777
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:48,359
Speaker 1: people are now obsessed with transactions. Yes, so people love

778
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 1: sports transactions. And if you don't have any transactions to

779
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 1: talk about, you talk about when the transactions are gonna happen.

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00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 1: So here we are in the NBA in transaction season,

781
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 1: and people love it and people love how On Twitter

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00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: they can get. Like last night, for example, Okay, Dwayne

783
00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:05,439
Speaker 1: Waye is gonna sign with the Balls, big giant news

784
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 1: and perpetuates two or three other trades that happened, and

785
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 1: you know, Durant leaves the you know, the Warriors. I mean,

786
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 1: we're still recovering. I'm sorry, okay, see recovering from that

787
00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: sonic boom. And now we're taking well, maybe they gotta

788
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 1: trade Westbrook and like today now like maybe the Heat

789
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 1: have to trade Garan Draga. Maybe they got a tank.

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00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 1: So people want these transactions because they love the transactions.

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00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 1: They're in their life. So transactions have now become their

792
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:37,080
Speaker 1: own thing that people want to do them to know about.

793
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,919
Speaker 1: And that makes just like you're as a fantasy football player,

794
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 1: you're a smarter fan because you know more about than

795
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 1: your than your team. As a if you're obsessed with

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00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 1: transactions in the NBA, you're gonna be a smarter fan.

797
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 1: We have smarter fans, now, I agree, I agree, and

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00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 1: and you know, and and again, like you know, I

799
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 1: was just thinking when you were saying this, like about

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Speaker 1: the Katie thing. The Boston fans are invested because Captain

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00:42:57,400 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: America a k a. Tom Brady. He shows up, Danny

802
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 1: Ainge is wearing Katie's looking like a crazy person. Julian

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00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 1: Edelman post a shirt you like the all black look

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00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:07,839
Speaker 1: from from Danny Ange. He went with the all black

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00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 1: I think that was safe. All black in the summer

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00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 1: and white jeans on time. Tom Brady that was a

807
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 1: really good, good thing. And the Julian Edelman, I wonder

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Speaker 1: what he did with his Katie jersey that he posted.

809
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 1: Did he burn it? Did he throw it away? Did

810
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 1: you give it to a homeless person? What did you

811
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Speaker 1: do with your jersey? Julian Edelman? So so I think

812
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 1: it's I think it's fun. You know, these are the

813
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 1: dog days of sports, as you know, sure, I mean,

814
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Speaker 1: as much as you love talking about k do you

815
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 1: have to be like, Okay, I gotta because you know,

816
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Speaker 1: the last few days I've done the jump with you

817
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,359
Speaker 1: so much fun. Did you guys talk about Katie again

818
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 1: today somehow? Of course, of course, and it's dwa Wayne

819
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Speaker 1: and and dwayway. But it's like, you know, it's also

820
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 1: there's there's no football, there's there's no basketball, so it's

821
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Speaker 1: it's sort of like there's not much going on. There's

822
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Speaker 1: no The SPS are next week. They've already got l

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Speaker 1: A Live. They've already got like the tent set up

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Speaker 1: for the SPS. Normally, Like I'm I've been here all week.

825
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Speaker 1: Normally you can't move in l A Live because there's

826
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Speaker 1: not a concert or a game. There's a there's the concerts.

827
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 1: There's nothing going on. Not like there's nothing happening in

828
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 1: downtown this week. I've never seen it so dead. So

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Speaker 1: so KD the Short and Sweet because I'm kind of

830
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 1: over and it's not like here's my two cents. You know,

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Speaker 1: we said I I feel like he's twenty eight years old.

832
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 1: They came so close. I understand taking care of Russell

833
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Speaker 1: Westbrook because I feel like he's had to sort of

834
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Speaker 1: babysit Russell Westbrook's emotions and his feelings over the years.

835
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Speaker 1: Like if you look at the body language of you know,

836
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Speaker 1: when when when Russell Westbrook. I think he's stopped doing

837
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Speaker 1: it now, But like last season, like every time Russell

838
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Speaker 1: Westbrook would freak ou Katie would come over to and

839
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Speaker 1: it's like he's like it's like a time bomb. You know,

840
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 1: it's not the on the court, but it's like is

841
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 1: this guy gonna freak out? Is it gonna be mad.

842
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 1: Is he gonna start too? And I think part of

843
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 1: the reason why he left, and I understand leaving was,

844
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 1: you know, I've had enough. I want to be my

845
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 1: own guy. But the fact that he wants to be

846
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:57,800
Speaker 1: his own guy and that he went to Golden State

847
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:00,120
Speaker 1: to me. And I said yesterday on the jump that

848
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 1: he cheated. What I meant was he's cheating the next run,

849
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:05,879
Speaker 1: I know, but the natural What I meant was he's

850
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 1: cheating the natural progression of the winning and the losing cycle,

851
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:13,320
Speaker 1: like he's cheating Mother nature. You you could helicopter to

852
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 1: the to the to the top of the mountain, the

853
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 1: way he did by going to Golden State, or you

854
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 1: could claim it, and you know what, you might not

855
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 1: You might not make make it to the top of

856
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 1: the mountain. It's like, let's say I throw down right

857
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 1: now five million dollars and I go. You could take

858
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 1: a b windy or I go. You know what, be

859
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 1: when you mean you had this great business opportunity in

860
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:31,240
Speaker 1: two years, we can make six million dollars. Now, obviously

861
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:33,319
Speaker 1: the five millions great, but if we went through all

862
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 1: the ups and downs of going in business together to

863
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 1: make six million dollars. When we get that six million dollars,

864
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,439
Speaker 1: it's going to be more fulfilling. I feel like he's

865
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:43,320
Speaker 1: just like I want a helicopter. I want to be

866
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 1: on the top of that mountain right now, and I

867
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 1: can't take it. And I think the fans now he's

868
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:49,839
Speaker 1: a more likable character, and he did it more low key,

869
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,240
Speaker 1: but I think the fans are gonna turn on Katie

870
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 1: and and and I think it's sort of been a

871
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 1: long time coming with Katie. Well, he now has no

872
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:00,040
Speaker 1: margin for air. Before, like when he wouldn't do and

873
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 1: he wouldn't get there, they'd be like, man, they just

874
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 1: you know, there's injuries, or they ran into Golden State

875
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 1: and they're young. You know that they don't have a

876
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 1: good coach. I mean, I didn't believe that, but as

877
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 1: people said, you know, Westbrook cogs the ball. They don't

878
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:15,799
Speaker 1: have a good supporting cast. He's out of excuses now,

879
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 1: so he's he's got no margin for air. So so

880
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:22,800
Speaker 1: now he's gonna enter a world where the expectator he like,

881
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 1: he thinks he's going to a world where it's gonna

882
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 1: be easier, but the process is gonna be hard. It's

883
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:30,839
Speaker 1: gonna be hard for him because like if they start

884
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 1: the season off like two and three, which what if

885
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 1: they just lose the first game, it'll be it'll be

886
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 1: crashing down on him. People will be on him like,

887
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 1: you know what, So it's in it, but your point

888
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 1: is well taken. It's like, even though Lebron just came

889
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 1: back to the Calves two years ago when he won

890
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 1: that title, in a lot of ways, it was a

891
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 1: culmination of his career, you know, and that winning that

892
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 1: championship to find his career, he felt like he had

893
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 1: climbed the mountain absolutely, you know. I mean, I agree

894
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 1: he climbed the mountain. He helicopter the mountain or I

895
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 1: don't want to say helicopter, but you know, he he

896
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 1: set this ski lift, you know, he took the ski

897
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:07,800
Speaker 1: lift to the mountain with the with with the the

898
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 1: Miami heatles. And I want to get into all that,

899
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 1: but I mean, listen, it's it's I've had enough. It's

900
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 1: like I I've had so much of Katie. I want

901
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 1: to back. I'm back to wanting to talk about the

902
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 1: flake gate because there's still like it's like Katie or

903
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 1: de fla k what what what We're redundant story. Can

904
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:26,839
Speaker 1: we talk about, Um, it's gonna be interesting. I mean,

905
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 1: it's gonna be an interesting season. Now the Knicks, Yes,

906
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:33,960
Speaker 1: the Ice Path Boys, the Ice Path Boys. It's it

907
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 1: could stick. I mean I could see that caricatures being created. Yes,

908
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 1: you know for this, Um, it's not good for the

909
00:47:41,160 --> 00:47:44,120
Speaker 1: league for the Knicks to be bad. It's really really

910
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 1: bad for the league for the Knicks to be bad

911
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 1: and the Lakers to be bad, like as good as

912
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 1: this market wise, just for the health of the league.

913
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 1: Like this last year the Warriors like one of the

914
00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 1: biggest draws we've ever seen, and the television rings were

915
00:47:56,840 --> 00:48:01,360
Speaker 1: flat because we didn't have York LA and Boston. Boston

916
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:03,359
Speaker 1: a little bit, but New York and l A were

917
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 1: not there. I mean they're yanking Laker games off television

918
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 1: because of weight. Ratings are so bad. So this is

919
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 1: not a championship team in New York. No, but it's

920
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 1: gonna be a relevant team and after a couple of

921
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 1: years missing the playoffs. I gotta think, as a Knicks fan,

922
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:19,279
Speaker 1: you're kind of happy about that. I'm excited. I I

923
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 1: I think that you know, obviously, these are the obvious ifs.

924
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 1: The d Rose, if they know what we're excited When

925
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 1: they traded for Rose, I was hesitantly excited. Is that

926
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 1: a word? Hesitantly? Hesitantly? I just made up a word.

927
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 1: We were just witnessing history hesitantly. That's cool. I approve it. Yeah, So,

928
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously everybody has the same feelings about Derek Oros.

929
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 1: He's fantastic. If you know last year he played what

930
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 1: sixties something games? If noah? If so, Yeah, it was excited.

931
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 1: I wasn't as excited as I would have been if

932
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 1: they traded for Russell Westbroker k D or you know.

933
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 1: But but you know, you still hope this guy. And

934
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 1: also as a fan, you don't want to see a I. B. B.

935
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 1: You know, who's so incredible for his couple of for

936
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 1: a couple of years, just have his career taken away

937
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 1: from him the way Roses could potentially be. You know,

938
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 1: he's key, could be the answer to an incredible trivia situation.

939
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 1: Every single NBA m v P is in the Hall

940
00:49:17,239 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 1: of Fame, Like if you want to if you win

941
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 1: an m v P, you're in Hall of Fame. So

942
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 1: like you know, Kevin Durant is gonna be in the

943
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. Wee, it's fair. Steph Curry is on

944
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:26,799
Speaker 1: his way. He's gonna be in the Hall of Fame.

945
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 1: Steve Nash just retired Hall of Fame. Es Lebron, you

946
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:32,319
Speaker 1: think maybe they'll squeezehim, you know, he might the second

947
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:34,600
Speaker 1: or third, second, third, or like well, like maybe not

948
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:37,000
Speaker 1: the first time you come back. You know, you gotta show,

949
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 1: you gotta earn the respect. And I understand it. Yeah,

950
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 1: not necessarily the first time, Lebron. But maybe you come

951
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 1: back next year, then we'll let you. Yeah, and you'd

952
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 1: be like the third person introduced, not the last. Not

953
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:48,320
Speaker 1: the whole thing is not going to be about you.

954
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 1: Of course, of course it's not gonna be about you.

955
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:51,320
Speaker 1: So Derrick Rose, I mean, he's not a Hall of

956
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 1: Famer at the point because if it's because of the

957
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 1: shortness of the career, terrible terrible injuries, well you know,

958
00:49:57,280 --> 00:49:59,799
Speaker 1: I I I hope, I hope, I hope to see

959
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 1: whether he's at nick or not a Nick. I always

960
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 1: I think everybody, if you love basketball, if you love sports,

961
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 1: you don't want to see a guy that with that

962
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 1: kind of greatness and that kind of potential have it

963
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 1: stunt in so so that being the case. I want

964
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:14,520
Speaker 1: to get to you. How did you wind up covering

965
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 1: Lebron James. One is the first time you saw Lebron

966
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:20,320
Speaker 1: James play. Walk me through this, this this career that

967
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 1: you've had covering him, and how you made it to

968
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:26,120
Speaker 1: be one of the faces of of NBA broadcasting. About

969
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 1: that you're one of the faces, man, Yeah, this is

970
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 1: not a good face. The we went to we went

971
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 1: to the same high school. Okay, not at the same time. Yes,

972
00:50:34,880 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 1: I graduated, he graduated in two thousand three, so we're

973
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:43,800
Speaker 1: seven years apart. Yes. I was working at the local newspaper,

974
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 1: the Akron Beacon Journal, and I had heard that my

975
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:49,840
Speaker 1: high school, which was not known as a basketball power

976
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 1: at all, had gotten these four freshmen who were really

977
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 1: really good players who decided to all come together to

978
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 1: go to school. So they're first game of the of

979
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:05,320
Speaker 1: their freshman year. I went to it in a reporter capacity.

980
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 1: I was like where I was in college, and like,

981
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 1: they let me go out to these little, low level

982
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:12,480
Speaker 1: high school games. You know, I wasn't covering the Cleveland

983
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:14,520
Speaker 1: Indians or the Browns, but I was able to go

984
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 1: cover You were the sports guy though, Yeah, I was

985
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 1: a sports writer as a part time little kid. So

986
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 1: I went to see him play and he was he

987
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 1: was fourteen years old. I know the date. It was

988
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 1: December three, first game of his high school career, playing,

989
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:33,240
Speaker 1: you know, in a road game and against a big school,

990
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 1: much bigger school. And what blew me away about him?

991
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 1: First off, he was baby faced, not shaving, no muscles,

992
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:46,760
Speaker 1: really um skinny, but like six ft three with big feet.

993
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 1: But he moved. He didn't, you know. So you see

994
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 1: kids like that, they don't move well, they're all elbows

995
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 1: and knees and everything. But he moved like an adult,

996
00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:59,839
Speaker 1: and You're like wow. And so I knew the coach

997
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 1: who was an old college coach, you know, he was

998
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:05,440
Speaker 1: an experienced coach who had lost his college job and

999
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:07,080
Speaker 1: he was like trying to work his way back up.

1000
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 1: And so, in other words, he was not just some

1001
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 1: high school kid, and he knew what he was doing.

1002
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:15,800
Speaker 1: And he goes to me, this kid, Lebron James is

1003
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:17,799
Speaker 1: the best player I've ever worked with in my career.

1004
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 1: And I'm like, what are you talking about. He's played

1005
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 1: one game, he's fourteen years old, you know, I mean

1006
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 1: he had fifteen points. I mean he didn't have like

1007
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 1: fifty He's like, this kid, he will be a superstar,

1008
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 1: like he knew already, like from just watching and practice

1009
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 1: and stuff. And so I started going back and telling

1010
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:39,399
Speaker 1: my bosses, So there's this kid on this on this St.

1011
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:43,360
Speaker 1: Vincent St. Mary team. Um, you know, we should probably

1012
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 1: keep really pay attention to him because you know, normally,

1013
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 1: you know, we would cover like five games out of five.

1014
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 1: We're not covering everything. He's a little paragraph, half of page,

1015
00:52:54,080 --> 00:53:01,320
Speaker 1: half a page. It was, Yeah, So, um, he starts playing,

1016
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:03,400
Speaker 1: they keep winning, they keep winning. I told my bosses,

1017
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:05,239
Speaker 1: and they thought I was looking for a shine for

1018
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 1: my my school, which I would never do anyway. But

1019
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:10,719
Speaker 1: I mean my senior year that the basketball team was

1020
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 1: three and seventeen. So I start following him and start

1021
00:53:14,040 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 1: I started going as many games as possible. And there

1022
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 1: are five and O eight and No. Twelve and O

1023
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:19,320
Speaker 1: fifteen and no. They get all the way of the

1024
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 1: state tournament and he's again. Now he's fifteen years old

1025
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 1: and they're playing in this game and it's tight in

1026
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 1: the state final four in at Ohio State University. Now

1027
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 1: we're at now, we're at the big time. It's fifteen

1028
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:34,640
Speaker 1: thousand people there, and this is so it's it's um,

1029
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 1: it's it's near the end of this game, and he's

1030
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,719
Speaker 1: in foul trouble. If he gets fouls, he gets on

1031
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 1: their foul, he's he's out. And this this um, this

1032
00:53:44,040 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 1: turnover happens and the guy goes to the other end,

1033
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:50,880
Speaker 1: just like Andrea Ga Dalla four fouls. Here comes Lebron

1034
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 1: from behind, blocks to shoot. Saw this happen. It's on

1035
00:53:56,120 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 1: video somewhere, blocks the shot off the backboard, gets the ball,

1036
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 1: goes down to the other again, fifteen years old, playing

1037
00:54:04,320 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 1: with eighteen year old kids in the state term. I mean,

1038
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 1: now it feels like it would be nothing to be

1039
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 1: an afternoon for him. But this is again, he's never

1040
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 1: done this before. It goes down to the other end,

1041
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:16,360
Speaker 1: shoots a three pointer and hits the three. It's a

1042
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:19,759
Speaker 1: five point try change in front of fifteen thousand people.

1043
00:54:19,800 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 1: It's amazing, and people are like, oh shit. And so

1044
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 1: then people will start to notice him win the state championship.

1045
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:32,439
Speaker 1: So he gets known a little bit over the next year,

1046
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 1: and I start thinking we could have a kid who's

1047
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 1: gonna go to North Carolina or Duke, because in Ohio

1048
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 1: we produce football players. We've always got guys in the NFL.

1049
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 1: We're not worried before a football state we had not

1050
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:48,800
Speaker 1: produced basketball players, right, It's just not what we do.

1051
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 1: And so I'm like, I'm gonna be covering a kid

1052
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:52,719
Speaker 1: that's gonna be playing at Duke like chefs. He's gonna

1053
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 1: be shown up in these stands. So that's why I

1054
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:57,400
Speaker 1: was telling people. So he goes out as a sophomore

1055
00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 1: and they win the state championship again and they uh,

1056
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 1: he gets named Mr Basketball is the best player in

1057
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 1: the state. Never happened for a sixteen year old before.

1058
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 1: So he goes to this camp before his junior year.

1059
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 1: It's in between sophomore and junior year. It's like right

1060
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 1: about this time of year, Um, the draft had just happened,

1061
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:15,320
Speaker 1: and that was the draft where Eddie Curry and Kwamie

1062
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:18,399
Speaker 1: Brown and Tyson Chandler all these high school kids get

1063
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 1: picked in the top five and it was like, Wow,

1064
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:22,360
Speaker 1: the high school kids are just gonna be number one

1065
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:24,839
Speaker 1: picks now. So this camp in New Jersey, it says

1066
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 1: Big Camp run by Adidas. Kobe Bryant comes and address

1067
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 1: as the kids. Um, He's like, you know the number

1068
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 1: of teens, top of the world. Lakers have just won

1069
00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 1: the title, and Lebron is going to be a junior.

1070
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:38,399
Speaker 1: It's called the abc D Camp, and every college coach

1071
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:41,800
Speaker 1: in the country is there. I mean, Shachowski, Patino, Beheim,

1072
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 1: you name it. They're all on one side of the gym,

1073
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 1: then on the other side of the gym, or all

1074
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 1: the NBA scouts. Now this wasn't normal, but now the

1075
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:52,359
Speaker 1: NBA scouts was we gotta come watch these kids because

1076
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 1: they're all getting drafted. So we're talking like, you know,

1077
00:55:55,719 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 1: I don't know Riley, you know, Mitch cupped Ack, you know,

1078
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 1: all the they're all there, all right, every like basketball

1079
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 1: recruiter in the country is in this gym. Lebron just

1080
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:14,919
Speaker 1: blows everybody away for like four days. And then there's

1081
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,880
Speaker 1: and and who's at the camp Carmelo Lenny Cook. So

1082
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:21,400
Speaker 1: so Lenny the calm Well I don't I think Carmelo

1083
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:24,319
Speaker 1: was there, but the culmination game is his kid, Lenny Cook, right,

1084
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:27,479
Speaker 1: all right, he is like the everybody thinks he's gonna

1085
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 1: be then I want to pick the next year. And

1086
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:31,360
Speaker 1: they set up there by the way, this is at

1087
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:34,920
Speaker 1: fairly Dickinson University, so that the garden. This isn't like

1088
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 1: you know, it's like a kind of a junkie gym,

1089
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:40,759
Speaker 1: you know, And um, they're setting up this is the

1090
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 1: big game. Lenny Cook first Lebron. Lenny Cook was going

1091
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:45,560
Speaker 1: to be here. He went in the paper and was like,

1092
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 1: I could be Kobe one on one right now. He

1093
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 1: was from New Jersey. He was like, gonna be the

1094
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 1: next big thing. And they go head to head and

1095
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:54,799
Speaker 1: Lebron's just wipes the floor with him and he culminates

1096
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:57,359
Speaker 1: by hitting a game winning shot from a pointer at

1097
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 1: the buzzer. Everybody in the gym walks away from that

1098
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 1: week going, this is the best basketball player in the country,

1099
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:07,359
Speaker 1: not like, oh, no, no, I like that one kid

1100
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:09,400
Speaker 1: from Denver, you know, I like that one kid from

1101
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:12,800
Speaker 1: four lad No. And he was junior to be and

1102
00:57:12,840 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 1: they were saying if he was a senior, he'd be

1103
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 1: the number one pick in the draft. And and people,

1104
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:19,800
Speaker 1: some people said maybe he should go after his junior

1105
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 1: year into the NBA. And and this is the beginning

1106
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:25,960
Speaker 1: of the national sort of Lebron James hysteria. And we

1107
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:28,440
Speaker 1: weren't in the social media age inside the like the

1108
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 1: basketball recruiting media was covering it. But that was the

1109
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:35,760
Speaker 1: ball that started rolling that six months later had him

1110
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 1: on the cover of Sports Illustrated. Okay, now, now let's

1111
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 1: let's cut to Lebron James becomes Lebron James. I always

1112
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 1: saw you, you, you were you you? How did you

1113
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:49,360
Speaker 1: wind up going from a small paper in Akron? Was

1114
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:54,560
Speaker 1: it Akron? Akron? Tomatoes? Tomatoes? Like yesterday? On the jump,

1115
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 1: I said Lithuania? It was Lativa? I really, I said Lativia.

1116
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 1: It was it's tomato. Some mottels here, I mean, He's like, okay, wait,

1117
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 1: were the same country? Akron, Akron? What do I know? Okay? So,

1118
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 1: so how did you wind up going from this small

1119
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:13,960
Speaker 1: paper to wind up doing your job that you have now?

1120
00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 1: So I graduated college. I went to Kent State University nearby,

1121
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 1: uh Kentstate University, who produced Julian Edelman. Yes, by the way,

1122
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:25,680
Speaker 1: very proud of that um as they should be. Uh

1123
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:28,480
Speaker 1: So I just happened to be able to get a

1124
00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:31,920
Speaker 1: job covering the calves when Lebron went to them. I

1125
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:33,920
Speaker 1: would have been covering the calves if they got the

1126
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 1: number three pick and they had gotten Carmelo, or they

1127
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:39,440
Speaker 1: had gotten Darko or whatever. Um so I just have

1128
00:58:39,600 --> 00:58:41,200
Speaker 1: I already knew him. I've known him at that point

1129
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 1: for four years. And what what what was it like

1130
00:58:43,560 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 1: watching that ride? Like what was Lebron like before he

1131
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:49,800
Speaker 1: became this global star, Like just a regular kid, nice

1132
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 1: kid when hockey did he know? Man, he got bullied

1133
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 1: as a rookie. The older veterans on that team pushed

1134
00:58:57,440 --> 00:59:01,160
Speaker 1: him around. How so who's on that team Ricky Ricky Davis.

1135
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:04,240
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he was no joke. Yeah, Ricky Davis definitely

1136
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:06,800
Speaker 1: bullied him around. I mean I remember like his third

1137
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 1: game of his career. Was it a game in Portland

1138
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 1: and that you know, Portland was much bet Has were awful.

1139
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:14,840
Speaker 1: They started that year like four and fifteen, you know,

1140
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:17,920
Speaker 1: and he played really good. In the first half. He

1141
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:23,440
Speaker 1: had like twelve points, like six assists, four rebounds or something,

1142
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 1: and I was like, man, he might have a triple double.

1143
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 1: I mean he's like like the third game out and

1144
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:31,560
Speaker 1: they were close, and then the second half he didn't

1145
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 1: do anything. He was afraid to do anything. He just

1146
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 1: want to just passed the ball and like ran away

1147
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:38,280
Speaker 1: from the ball, and I was like, it's just he

1148
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:39,840
Speaker 1: just you know, I don't know, maybe he got tired

1149
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:42,720
Speaker 1: or whatever turns out, like at halftime, Ricky Davis told him,

1150
00:59:42,960 --> 00:59:45,120
Speaker 1: you're not passing me the ball. Enough passed me the

1151
00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:49,320
Speaker 1: ball and get out of my way, and uh, you know,

1152
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:50,960
Speaker 1: he was just bullying, and you know, like the coach,

1153
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:53,520
Speaker 1: Paul Silas sort of was like students stood up for him,

1154
00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 1: and they ended up trading Mickey Davis later in the

1155
00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:57,880
Speaker 1: year because they just had to get him away from him.

1156
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 1: But he was like sort of in a shell. He was.

1157
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:02,600
Speaker 1: And the second week of the season, the coach got

1158
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 1: in a fight with one of the players about playing time.

1159
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:10,440
Speaker 1: Silas unbelievable stuff, who I renewable, never heard of him either.

1160
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:14,440
Speaker 1: He rich, he's rich compared to me. Um. He was

1161
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 1: angry that they had just signed him, and he was

1162
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:18,480
Speaker 1: angry didn't get playing time. So there was a game

1163
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:20,640
Speaker 1: in the land up and he stormed into the coach's office,

1164
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:23,560
Speaker 1: Silence's office, and was pitching about playing time. I renewable.

1165
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 1: I don't even know who the fun you are. And

1166
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:28,200
Speaker 1: you're arguing with Paul Silence. He's actually a good guy,

1167
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:30,920
Speaker 1: so Silas. So new Bill gets into a fight with him,

1168
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 1: and Silas comes after him, and so that it spills

1169
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:38,680
Speaker 1: out into the hallway and uh, new Bill had, you know,

1170
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:41,320
Speaker 1: which was fashionable at that time, had the braids back.

1171
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:43,200
Speaker 1: I used to have them too, I'm kidding him, kidding,

1172
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:46,919
Speaker 1: you're great in them. And Silence, you know, total old

1173
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:50,439
Speaker 1: school guy. And he's like, get back here, you hip

1174
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:55,320
Speaker 1: hop m ever and like everybody's like oh, and you

1175
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:58,280
Speaker 1: know he wanted to fight him. Right, Silence was squared

1176
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:02,440
Speaker 1: right right. New Bill was a one on it right. So, um,

1177
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:05,080
Speaker 1: like that was going on. That was like week two,

1178
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:07,800
Speaker 1: like give me some more, give me some more crazy

1179
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 1: stuff from I love this, give me some more stuff

1180
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:12,320
Speaker 1: like you said, he was getting like what else was

1181
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:15,800
Speaker 1: going on with? So this one day, Silas throws Ricky

1182
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:17,560
Speaker 1: Davis out of practice. They used to they used to

1183
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:19,920
Speaker 1: practice at the gym. Now they got this beautiful facility, right,

1184
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:21,560
Speaker 1: They used to practice at the arena. They had a

1185
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:24,280
Speaker 1: little gym in the arena and the circus is going on.

1186
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:27,480
Speaker 1: So like we're in the arena like to cover practice

1187
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:30,800
Speaker 1: and the circus is happening in the main bowl. And

1188
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:33,320
Speaker 1: Ricky Davis, the coach, was so mad he kicked Ricky

1189
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:36,200
Speaker 1: Davis out of practice. So Rookie's in his practice jersey.

1190
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:38,520
Speaker 1: He's out in the concourse and he's eating a hot

1191
01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:41,240
Speaker 1: dog because he got in a fight with the coach.

1192
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:43,800
Speaker 1: This is all like the first month, all right, It's

1193
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:46,960
Speaker 1: like it's like just just totally nuts. Like he know,

1194
01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:49,160
Speaker 1: they banned another player from traveling on a road Tuck

1195
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:53,480
Speaker 1: was this guy Michael Stewart. Okay, Yogi Stewart. The other

1196
01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:57,600
Speaker 1: guy who's richer. I can't remember these guys. Yogi Yogi

1197
01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:02,840
Speaker 1: Stewart be getting paid like million for three years. So

1198
01:02:03,120 --> 01:02:05,000
Speaker 1: this was like Lebron's first year as a disaster. So

1199
01:02:05,160 --> 01:02:07,040
Speaker 1: like when he when he first came in the league,

1200
01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:08,480
Speaker 1: he was kind of a little bit in a shell

1201
01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:10,400
Speaker 1: because he was he was in a bad environ and

1202
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:13,560
Speaker 1: he was nineteen years Do you think now what is

1203
01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:16,840
Speaker 1: he now? Old is he now? Now? You think? I

1204
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:18,720
Speaker 1: think he might be forty six? Like I think he

1205
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:20,440
Speaker 1: might have like they you know, like he when you

1206
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:23,360
Speaker 1: say you saw Hi when he was fourteen. Like there's

1207
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:27,280
Speaker 1: some players who especially who were from sort of you

1208
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:30,320
Speaker 1: know countries that maybe don't have the best record keeping

1209
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:34,320
Speaker 1: a year or two ahead, right like Serge Ibaka, like

1210
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:37,479
Speaker 1: he might be fifty six. He supposed twenty six. But people,

1211
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:40,760
Speaker 1: but this kid, Thawn Maker who just got drafted by

1212
01:02:41,640 --> 01:02:46,120
Speaker 1: um uh Milwaukee, they don't know exactly how old he is.

1213
01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:49,520
Speaker 1: They say he's nineteen, but there's data that suggests he

1214
01:02:49,560 --> 01:02:56,200
Speaker 1: could be as much as twenty three. Podst Welcome to

1215
01:02:56,280 --> 01:02:59,960
Speaker 1: play It, a new podcast network featuring radio and TV personnel.

1216
01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:03,880
Speaker 1: He's talking business, sports, tech, entertainment and more. Play it

1217
01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:11,640
Speaker 1: at play dot it. It's one thing that likes to

1218
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:14,680
Speaker 1: be like one and say you're eighteen. Yes, I mean

1219
01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:17,360
Speaker 1: it's I mean this kid, if you believe what their

1220
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:20,320
Speaker 1: story is, right, I'm not vowing for that. No, I

1221
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:22,960
Speaker 1: got you. If there are people who believe that when

1222
01:03:23,040 --> 01:03:26,040
Speaker 1: he was like seventeen years old, they put him in

1223
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:28,080
Speaker 1: eighth grade. Yeah, no, I've heard like he was a

1224
01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:31,040
Speaker 1: seventeen year old going to school. He listen, he's seven

1225
01:03:31,160 --> 01:03:33,520
Speaker 1: three and he could dribble. I hopefully this because he's

1226
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:35,960
Speaker 1: one of these guys that's been on the internet for

1227
01:03:36,080 --> 01:03:37,880
Speaker 1: so long. You're like, I hope this guy makes it

1228
01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:40,360
Speaker 1: into the NBA because I've heard so much about fawn Maker,

1229
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:44,280
Speaker 1: uh for so long. He like allegedly graduated high school

1230
01:03:44,280 --> 01:03:47,480
Speaker 1: in Perth, Australia's pictures of him, and they came here

1231
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:51,680
Speaker 1: and he went back. Right now, I've heard this story, like,

1232
01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:55,200
Speaker 1: like Lebron, I I will vouch that when he was

1233
01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:57,400
Speaker 1: fourteen years old, he looked fourteen. He looked like an

1234
01:03:57,400 --> 01:04:02,960
Speaker 1: incredibly tall and I've seen the gifted kid I was in.

1235
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:05,880
Speaker 1: I was this height and the same amount of like

1236
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:08,920
Speaker 1: and and and this slow at four teams. So I

1237
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:11,840
Speaker 1: get that kind of physical specimen. All right, So talk

1238
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:16,400
Speaker 1: me through this. Lebron James becomes Lebron James. You're with him,

1239
01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:20,440
Speaker 1: and you're you're now covering the the the NBA. He

1240
01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:24,120
Speaker 1: becomes this star. Talk to me about the chaos that

1241
01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:28,120
Speaker 1: was when he first left to go to Miami and

1242
01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:30,440
Speaker 1: how it affected you because you told me some crazy stuff,

1243
01:04:30,440 --> 01:04:33,320
Speaker 1: how like you were somehow associated when he left Miami,

1244
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:37,120
Speaker 1: when he left Cleveland, you were sort of like people

1245
01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:39,720
Speaker 1: in Cleveland, not only they burned your jersey as well. Right,

1246
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:42,360
Speaker 1: I still get treated poorly to this day, like how

1247
01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:44,720
Speaker 1: like somehow you had something to do. When I go

1248
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:47,400
Speaker 1: to Cavs games, I don't watch the games from the arena,

1249
01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:51,400
Speaker 1: from the Bowl. I don't even though he's bad, Like

1250
01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:54,720
Speaker 1: at the end of Game six, when the Calves had

1251
01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:56,960
Speaker 1: this big at that point, was the biggest win team history.

1252
01:04:57,400 --> 01:05:00,600
Speaker 1: You know, they blew the Warriors out. Sending to Game seven.

1253
01:05:01,040 --> 01:05:03,840
Speaker 1: I wanted to get the feel because normally in Cleveland

1254
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Speaker 1: I watched the game in the back because if I'm

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01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:09,480
Speaker 1: out there, I mean, most people are nice, but I

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01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:12,040
Speaker 1: get some, I get some, you know, some drunkards or whatever.

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01:05:12,520 --> 01:05:16,280
Speaker 1: So it's specific. And why aside from the fact you're

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01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:20,600
Speaker 1: recognizable sports is there's Cleveland stuff, I assume. So so, like,

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01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:23,760
Speaker 1: just as an example, so game six, the game was

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01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:25,960
Speaker 1: over like three minutes left. Essentially, I wanted to come

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01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:28,040
Speaker 1: out and hear and feel what was going on in

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Speaker 1: the arena as these fans are celebrating this big moment.

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Speaker 1: So I come out and I'm just really standing just

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01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:37,640
Speaker 1: inside the arena like in the tunnel area, and people

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01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:40,280
Speaker 1: start throwing bottles of water at me, and then they

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01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:42,880
Speaker 1: they hit me, and then I had to go back in.

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01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:45,480
Speaker 1: I mean, not everybody's like that. I don't want to

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01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:47,320
Speaker 1: make it seem like I got you. But so in

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01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 1: two thousand and ten, Lebron leaves like July eight, I

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01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:52,360
Speaker 1: was coming. I was working for the Akron Beacon Journal

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01:05:52,360 --> 01:05:55,800
Speaker 1: at the time. And I had reported on mostly good

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01:05:55,840 --> 01:05:57,960
Speaker 1: stuff for the Calves. They had had a really great

1273
01:05:58,040 --> 01:06:01,120
Speaker 1: seven year run, consistently getting better to the finals. They

1274
01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:03,960
Speaker 1: had had two really good teams and lost at the end.

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01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:08,560
Speaker 1: I was in Cleveland. People generally liked me, but it

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01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:10,600
Speaker 1: was mostly because I was giving them good news for

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01:06:10,640 --> 01:06:14,240
Speaker 1: the most part. So he leaves in July and in

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01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:16,680
Speaker 1: August goes by and I go on a big trip,

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01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:18,840
Speaker 1: just like to get away because I knew it was

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01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:21,160
Speaker 1: gonna be crazy. And I'm in Thailand and I get

1281
01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:24,280
Speaker 1: a call from ESPN and I do like interview with

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01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:26,720
Speaker 1: them at like seriously three in the morning in Thailand,

1283
01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:28,600
Speaker 1: and they're gonna offer me a job to go to

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01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:33,400
Speaker 1: Miami to to cover the Miami heat. Yeah. So, because

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01:06:33,480 --> 01:06:35,200
Speaker 1: it's just a huge deal. Just like they're gonna be

1286
01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:37,960
Speaker 1: people who are going to we already have people who

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01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:40,880
Speaker 1: live in Oakland. They're gonna be people who moved to

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01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:43,280
Speaker 1: Oakland just to cover this team. It's gonna be a

1289
01:06:43,320 --> 01:06:45,920
Speaker 1: big deal. We sort of started that by bringing these

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01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:48,000
Speaker 1: people in. And when they hired me, which by the way,

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01:06:48,080 --> 01:06:50,120
Speaker 1: was a no brainer. Not only was it it was

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01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:52,640
Speaker 1: there's nothing left in Cleveland, the places to play the

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01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:55,040
Speaker 1: Burning Jersey. The thing is, I was working for a newspaper.

1294
01:06:55,120 --> 01:06:57,320
Speaker 1: Newspapers are I'm sorry, but they're on their way in

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01:06:57,360 --> 01:07:01,280
Speaker 1: to business. But so ESPN announced my hiring with like

1296
01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:04,960
Speaker 1: a press release because they were trying to draw attention

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01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:06,320
Speaker 1: to the fact that they were going to really cover

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01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:09,520
Speaker 1: Lebron heavily. And that was good. That like made a

1299
01:07:09,560 --> 01:07:12,440
Speaker 1: lot of positive press in the media coverage area. But

1300
01:07:12,520 --> 01:07:16,880
Speaker 1: in Cleveland it made people feel like I was going

1301
01:07:17,080 --> 01:07:20,240
Speaker 1: with him, and there was also this belief that somehow

1302
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:23,960
Speaker 1: I worked for the team, even though I don't. So Meanwhile,

1303
01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:27,640
Speaker 1: when I get down to Miami, Lebron was so singed

1304
01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:30,800
Speaker 1: by the way to Cleveland had sent him off. To

1305
01:07:30,880 --> 01:07:33,000
Speaker 1: anybody from Cleveland he saw as an enemy, even though

1306
01:07:33,040 --> 01:07:35,560
Speaker 1: we've known each other for fiftel years or something. At

1307
01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:38,280
Speaker 1: that point, he like put up a wall and like

1308
01:07:38,560 --> 01:07:41,520
Speaker 1: we we were. It was like icy for probably six

1309
01:07:41,600 --> 01:07:44,400
Speaker 1: eight weeks when you were around him, like it's just

1310
01:07:44,520 --> 01:07:46,080
Speaker 1: like it's not like I want to talk to you,

1311
01:07:46,120 --> 01:07:48,120
Speaker 1: I want to give you. The gave me like nothing

1312
01:07:48,520 --> 01:07:50,720
Speaker 1: for a couple of months, and he was like that

1313
01:07:50,760 --> 01:07:55,720
Speaker 1: with everybody. Meanwhile, people in Cleveland, I feel like I'm

1314
01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:57,760
Speaker 1: in his entourage or something like that. And so what

1315
01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:01,720
Speaker 1: I'm getting destroyed in Cleveland for being like, you know,

1316
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:05,480
Speaker 1: swinging from whatever, like you left too, Like like they

1317
01:08:05,560 --> 01:08:08,240
Speaker 1: think that I went down there, and like I was

1318
01:08:08,360 --> 01:08:10,560
Speaker 1: like in the back seat when he was driving the bus.

1319
01:08:10,600 --> 01:08:13,560
Speaker 1: I was on the planet. Meanwhile, I'm down there and

1320
01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:16,320
Speaker 1: he's treating me like crap, right, And so I'm getting

1321
01:08:16,360 --> 01:08:18,759
Speaker 1: it from both ends. And like if I was getting

1322
01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:20,559
Speaker 1: down there and getting all the good interviews and producing

1323
01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:22,760
Speaker 1: all great stuff and I was actually like, you know,

1324
01:08:23,160 --> 01:08:25,240
Speaker 1: he's actually come on in, man, you're you're part of me,

1325
01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:27,559
Speaker 1: I would be like, Okay, well I did sell out

1326
01:08:27,640 --> 01:08:29,759
Speaker 1: that you know, I mean, but but I was getting

1327
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:31,640
Speaker 1: Brandon a sell out and I didn't sell out. And

1328
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:33,200
Speaker 1: then you said, you told me what was the thing

1329
01:08:33,240 --> 01:08:34,599
Speaker 1: you told me about? You were trying to sell your

1330
01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:37,960
Speaker 1: home in Cleveland, and so they wouldn't buy your They

1331
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:40,559
Speaker 1: went out of their way not to explain this to me. Well,

1332
01:08:40,760 --> 01:08:43,800
Speaker 1: we just we just we we sort of hid who

1333
01:08:43,880 --> 01:08:45,880
Speaker 1: was selling it as much as we can. Obviously, if

1334
01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:49,920
Speaker 1: you if you went, you know, if you went and

1335
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:52,200
Speaker 1: looked it up, you could find it. Um. And then

1336
01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:55,280
Speaker 1: when I bought my next house, I like put it

1337
01:08:55,280 --> 01:08:59,080
Speaker 1: in my wife's name first so that people can't I mean, look,

1338
01:08:59,400 --> 01:09:01,320
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that somebody couldn't slew that out and

1339
01:09:01,360 --> 01:09:03,400
Speaker 1: figure out where I live, right, we doesn't think the

1340
01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:05,200
Speaker 1: N s A. But I just have to sort of

1341
01:09:05,240 --> 01:09:07,479
Speaker 1: protect myself a little bit. Now, No, I got you

1342
01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:11,080
Speaker 1: and so and then whenever I go back to Cleveland, Um,

1343
01:09:11,640 --> 01:09:14,600
Speaker 1: I mean, people would shoot spitballs at me christ and

1344
01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:18,920
Speaker 1: stuff like that, and like, again I wish I was like, well,

1345
01:09:19,320 --> 01:09:21,800
Speaker 1: I'm doing Lebron's book and I'm making one point six

1346
01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:23,800
Speaker 1: million on and that's right, I'm gonna domine a rip

1347
01:09:23,840 --> 01:09:26,240
Speaker 1: all you complete Cleveland fans and you know, but I was.

1348
01:09:26,520 --> 01:09:28,160
Speaker 1: I was just doing there to do a job. Now

1349
01:09:28,320 --> 01:09:32,800
Speaker 1: Lebron eventually got over that and we ended up going

1350
01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:35,439
Speaker 1: back to a professional relationship, which is fine. But um,

1351
01:09:35,680 --> 01:09:37,479
Speaker 1: even going back to I mean, I'm and again, I'm

1352
01:09:37,560 --> 01:09:40,519
Speaker 1: treated very well by the majority of people I deal

1353
01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:43,200
Speaker 1: with in Cleveland, but I still get treated like like

1354
01:09:43,360 --> 01:09:47,800
Speaker 1: crap at certain times because even though he's back, it

1355
01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:51,400
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like it totally matters. I got you. One

1356
01:09:51,439 --> 01:09:56,400
Speaker 1: thing I'm fascinated by is the fame of sports broadcasters

1357
01:09:56,520 --> 01:10:00,679
Speaker 1: because it's a certain demographic that you're gonna act. You're

1358
01:10:00,720 --> 01:10:04,160
Speaker 1: on TV so much, you're so recognizable, Like I mean,

1359
01:10:04,240 --> 01:10:06,599
Speaker 1: what is it like going to an airport or an

1360
01:10:06,680 --> 01:10:09,639
Speaker 1: Applebee's or just like walking down the streets? Are are

1361
01:10:09,720 --> 01:10:11,920
Speaker 1: you ever asking me what it's like to be famous? No,

1362
01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:14,400
Speaker 1: I'm saying in terms of my my kind of fame

1363
01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:17,040
Speaker 1: is different because people don't want me to tell you

1364
01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:20,880
Speaker 1: tell them the inside scoop on every single basketball game,

1365
01:10:21,280 --> 01:10:23,639
Speaker 1: you know, like the sports Like I get a little

1366
01:10:23,680 --> 01:10:26,519
Speaker 1: bit of sports stuff, but they don't. I'm not Marv Albert,

1367
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:29,840
Speaker 1: Like I think that like you stephen A, people like Marv,

1368
01:10:30,040 --> 01:10:33,280
Speaker 1: people that are so associated heavily with sports, like the

1369
01:10:33,479 --> 01:10:35,479
Speaker 1: fans that they must attract like it must just be

1370
01:10:35,960 --> 01:10:37,920
Speaker 1: like you could be waiting in the line at the

1371
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:40,240
Speaker 1: t s A line at four in the morning and

1372
01:10:40,360 --> 01:10:42,960
Speaker 1: like always do people always want when people see do

1373
01:10:43,040 --> 01:10:46,600
Speaker 1: they always want to talk sports NonStop? When I'm in arenas,

1374
01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:49,559
Speaker 1: Like when I'm in a setting where everybody in theres

1375
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:53,040
Speaker 1: knows the NBA, it's recognized. I get recognized a lot

1376
01:10:53,240 --> 01:10:56,600
Speaker 1: a lot of time when I'm at a restaurant. It

1377
01:10:56,720 --> 01:10:59,000
Speaker 1: does happen in Cleveland, Cleveland especially, I'm more well known

1378
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:00,760
Speaker 1: in Cleveland, and they wanted to export. I mean, are

1379
01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:02,519
Speaker 1: you ever just like I don't want to talk about

1380
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:04,320
Speaker 1: are you like do you ever need to take an

1381
01:11:04,479 --> 01:11:07,439
Speaker 1: NBA break? Because anything is One thing was like, you know,

1382
01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:10,439
Speaker 1: like during this final series, I didn't think the Cats

1383
01:11:10,439 --> 01:11:13,479
Speaker 1: are gonna win, you know. I I didn't make a prediction,

1384
01:11:14,080 --> 01:11:16,160
Speaker 1: but I was like, you know, the Warriors are really good.

1385
01:11:16,240 --> 01:11:17,760
Speaker 1: And when I got up three one, it was like

1386
01:11:17,840 --> 01:11:20,360
Speaker 1: this is probably curtains. And so I'd run into all

1387
01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:22,120
Speaker 1: these people in Cleveland like are we gonna do it?

1388
01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:24,720
Speaker 1: Are we gonna win tonight? Or you know, are they

1389
01:11:24,760 --> 01:11:27,479
Speaker 1: gonna are they gonna take the series? I didn't want

1390
01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:30,120
Speaker 1: to be the party pooper and be like no, man, no, man,

1391
01:11:30,120 --> 01:11:32,639
Speaker 1: they're going down, you know. But I also didn't want

1392
01:11:32,640 --> 01:11:35,560
Speaker 1: to be like, hell, yeah, they're gonna win. Yeah, and

1393
01:11:35,640 --> 01:11:37,559
Speaker 1: then these guys go on Twitter the next time they

1394
01:11:37,640 --> 01:11:41,600
Speaker 1: see you. So I just would sort of like, oh, no,

1395
01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:43,800
Speaker 1: we'll see man, I don't know. You know, I'll say

1396
01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:46,560
Speaker 1: something like I wish I could tell you, but I

1397
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:48,720
Speaker 1: don't know, or something like that. So you know, they

1398
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:51,519
Speaker 1: want me to join the party. And then they want

1399
01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:54,000
Speaker 1: a little glimmer of hope. Yeah, that's not really my thing.

1400
01:11:54,120 --> 01:11:56,240
Speaker 1: My thing isn't to join their party, you know. I

1401
01:11:56,280 --> 01:11:58,599
Speaker 1: mean that's people want me to do. Come, We'll buy

1402
01:11:58,680 --> 01:12:00,320
Speaker 1: you a drink, blah blah blah blah. I'm you know what,

1403
01:12:00,439 --> 01:12:02,640
Speaker 1: I'm not really here to join your party. You know.

1404
01:12:02,760 --> 01:12:04,600
Speaker 1: I'm just kind of just want to get through this.

1405
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:09,040
Speaker 1: But um, I'm happy that they are in. I we

1406
01:12:10,080 --> 01:12:13,439
Speaker 1: I am nothing without the people who want to who

1407
01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:16,000
Speaker 1: wants to read and learn about the NBA. People don't

1408
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:18,040
Speaker 1: want to learn to learn about the NBA. I would

1409
01:12:18,080 --> 01:12:20,479
Speaker 1: be done so you wouldn't be on the Iron Rapports

1410
01:12:20,520 --> 01:12:23,400
Speaker 1: stereo podcast. The worldwide phenomenon. It is a worldwide phenomena.

1411
01:12:23,439 --> 01:12:26,400
Speaker 1: Everybody knows. Um. So I'm very happy to do it.

1412
01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:29,559
Speaker 1: I just I just wish that I had earned my villainry.

1413
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:32,000
Speaker 1: I got you. I I wish I had done something

1414
01:12:32,080 --> 01:12:33,960
Speaker 1: to actually be a villain. I think it's gonna I

1415
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:35,800
Speaker 1: think it's gonna grow and grow because I really think

1416
01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:40,120
Speaker 1: you emerge, and I think like your personality is emerging

1417
01:12:40,479 --> 01:12:42,960
Speaker 1: when you do your stuff. And I think the jump

1418
01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:45,320
Speaker 1: show is really fun. The jump Show is fun because

1419
01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:47,200
Speaker 1: I think you know the thing with me with sports

1420
01:12:47,280 --> 01:12:49,400
Speaker 1: and like the Jump Show and like anything that I

1421
01:12:49,560 --> 01:12:51,280
Speaker 1: when I'm asked to do stuff with sports, It's like

1422
01:12:51,600 --> 01:12:54,559
Speaker 1: the analytics guys. They could do the analytics all day,

1423
01:12:54,880 --> 01:12:57,479
Speaker 1: and but at a certain point it's like I don't

1424
01:12:57,479 --> 01:12:58,800
Speaker 1: want to sit there and watch a guy in a

1425
01:12:58,920 --> 01:13:01,559
Speaker 1: suit sit there break down a boat. I'm at home

1426
01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:04,000
Speaker 1: in a pair of boxer shorts, probably picking my nose

1427
01:13:04,320 --> 01:13:07,360
Speaker 1: in one hand, drinking a snapple or a beer or

1428
01:13:07,439 --> 01:13:10,280
Speaker 1: whatever drink or any other like you're watching the game.

1429
01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:12,800
Speaker 1: So like to watch the ESPN guys, and it's so

1430
01:13:13,080 --> 01:13:15,240
Speaker 1: like some of these guys are so nerded out. They

1431
01:13:15,320 --> 01:13:17,600
Speaker 1: take the sense of humor and the fun and and

1432
01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:20,639
Speaker 1: and the passion out of it. It's like, I got

1433
01:13:20,720 --> 01:13:23,559
Speaker 1: your analytics, I got your stats. Oh you're so smart.

1434
01:13:23,760 --> 01:13:26,280
Speaker 1: You created a new stat within the stat. What they

1435
01:13:26,360 --> 01:13:29,360
Speaker 1: fucking do? It's like, I care about this fucking team winning.

1436
01:13:29,640 --> 01:13:31,840
Speaker 1: I like this guy. I don't like this guy. The

1437
01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:34,880
Speaker 1: agony of defeat, the thrill of victory, That's what I'm into,

1438
01:13:34,960 --> 01:13:36,160
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But I think the thing

1439
01:13:36,240 --> 01:13:38,040
Speaker 1: with the Jump that I like doing is they get

1440
01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:40,400
Speaker 1: away from that. There's like a light like there's a

1441
01:13:40,560 --> 01:13:44,120
Speaker 1: I think that there's a good balance of an analytics

1442
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:48,360
Speaker 1: you know, uh, you know, it's fun and I just

1443
01:13:48,439 --> 01:13:50,760
Speaker 1: think it's more lighthearted. But some of this nerd it's

1444
01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:53,439
Speaker 1: too statted out, and even for people that I liked it,

1445
01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:56,880
Speaker 1: it becomes like watching a ticker um for you know,

1446
01:13:57,680 --> 01:14:00,560
Speaker 1: the stock market ticker. It's too much the players. I

1447
01:14:00,600 --> 01:14:03,720
Speaker 1: feel like the players are enjoying it, so we're getting no, no,

1448
01:14:03,840 --> 01:14:07,080
Speaker 1: no the jump because players are enjoying it. They're coming

1449
01:14:07,160 --> 01:14:09,599
Speaker 1: onto it, they're there, they're they're they like to come

1450
01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:11,760
Speaker 1: on the show. They're having fun with it. It's fun.

1451
01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:15,280
Speaker 1: That's good. I think like you could be like a

1452
01:14:15,439 --> 01:14:18,479
Speaker 1: Charles Barkley light I feel like this could be a

1453
01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:21,639
Speaker 1: new phase of your career because you know enough about

1454
01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:25,160
Speaker 1: the NBA that you can talk about educated this but

1455
01:14:25,320 --> 01:14:28,200
Speaker 1: you but you also have like a like a fans

1456
01:14:28,360 --> 01:14:31,960
Speaker 1: naivete about that makes it more enjoyable to watch that.

1457
01:14:32,439 --> 01:14:36,559
Speaker 1: They the fans person are they feel like they're they

1458
01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:39,320
Speaker 1: feel like they're they're comparable to you. They know everything

1459
01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:41,560
Speaker 1: they know about Lee, but they don't know everything and

1460
01:14:41,680 --> 01:14:44,040
Speaker 1: you're you obviously a performer, you can deliver in such

1461
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:46,360
Speaker 1: a way I think, you know, I don't know what

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01:14:46,600 --> 01:14:50,760
Speaker 1: what movies and acting jobs you got lined, but I

1463
01:14:50,880 --> 01:14:53,320
Speaker 1: think basketball commentary. I think there's a niche for you

1464
01:14:53,720 --> 01:14:56,759
Speaker 1: appreciate this and this growing you know, there's more demand

1465
01:14:56,840 --> 01:14:59,400
Speaker 1: for people want it. I love doing it. I'm such

1466
01:14:59,439 --> 01:15:02,760
Speaker 1: a fan. I mean, I'm I'm a humongous basketball fan.

1467
01:15:02,800 --> 01:15:05,040
Speaker 1: I grew up wanting I literally wanted to play in

1468
01:15:05,080 --> 01:15:07,640
Speaker 1: the NBA. So and I've always loved it. I love

1469
01:15:07,720 --> 01:15:10,120
Speaker 1: the sports, you know. I love the drama of it.

1470
01:15:10,600 --> 01:15:13,519
Speaker 1: I love the the the soap opera aspect. I just

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01:15:13,640 --> 01:15:15,479
Speaker 1: love the whole thing. You know, more than you know.

1472
01:15:15,680 --> 01:15:18,960
Speaker 1: NFL is behind, it is second, but there's nothing. I'm

1473
01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:22,720
Speaker 1: always gonna have this love affair with the NBA. Did

1474
01:15:22,840 --> 01:15:25,400
Speaker 1: did you how did it like? Your your whole thing

1475
01:15:25,479 --> 01:15:28,200
Speaker 1: with with with basketball? Like? Did you love basketball growing up?

1476
01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:30,720
Speaker 1: Did you play ball? Like? Like, obviously I'm not built

1477
01:15:30,760 --> 01:15:33,320
Speaker 1: to be a basketball player. I played basketball as a kid.

1478
01:15:33,400 --> 01:15:35,680
Speaker 1: Did you love it? I? And you know, I was

1479
01:15:35,720 --> 01:15:38,840
Speaker 1: a seasonal kid. I played baseball in the spring and

1480
01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:41,920
Speaker 1: summer golf I was. I was mostly a golfer. I

1481
01:15:41,920 --> 01:15:44,320
Speaker 1: played on the high school team in golf, and I

1482
01:15:44,360 --> 01:15:48,679
Speaker 1: played basketball in grade school. I loved going to basketball games.

1483
01:15:48,760 --> 01:15:52,559
Speaker 1: I love the the way, like the arc of a game,

1484
01:15:52,920 --> 01:15:55,560
Speaker 1: like I just I like being enraptured and like you

1485
01:15:55,600 --> 01:15:58,120
Speaker 1: can feel one team making a run. You can you

1486
01:15:58,160 --> 01:16:00,680
Speaker 1: can feel the tension of the game building. Yes, um,

1487
01:16:00,840 --> 01:16:05,599
Speaker 1: I like the game of I can't I can't stand baseball.

1488
01:16:06,080 --> 01:16:08,519
Speaker 1: I mean I know nothing. I can name two or

1489
01:16:08,560 --> 01:16:10,400
Speaker 1: three baseball players that are in the major leagues now,

1490
01:16:10,439 --> 01:16:12,880
Speaker 1: I know nothing. I could care less. I don't see

1491
01:16:12,920 --> 01:16:16,880
Speaker 1: how people sit there for four hours on a one

1492
01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:21,760
Speaker 1: pm in the sun basking, getting fried by the sun

1493
01:16:22,160 --> 01:16:24,160
Speaker 1: and sit there and watch nothing happened for I don't

1494
01:16:24,160 --> 01:16:25,960
Speaker 1: even know how that stole a business. I mean, my

1495
01:16:26,080 --> 01:16:28,920
Speaker 1: wife is a big baseball fans. She loves the Cleveland Indians.

1496
01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:31,200
Speaker 1: So I drag you to games. I agree to go

1497
01:16:31,280 --> 01:16:33,519
Speaker 1: to one a year, one a year in the sun

1498
01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:35,320
Speaker 1: or in the nighttime. I'm never going back to a

1499
01:16:35,400 --> 01:16:37,760
Speaker 1: game during the day. You're speaking like somebody who's fair,

1500
01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:40,160
Speaker 1: fair haired. You look at me, man, I mean, I'm like,

1501
01:16:40,280 --> 01:16:42,800
Speaker 1: I'm like, like I should be a spokesperson for us.

1502
01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:44,400
Speaker 1: I don't know how I don't have a sun Block

1503
01:16:44,479 --> 01:16:48,680
Speaker 1: sponsor on the I sleep with some some block on

1504
01:16:49,040 --> 01:16:50,519
Speaker 1: when I go to bed, I put on. I mean,

1505
01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:53,040
Speaker 1: I'm sold not into the sun. You're you're not you

1506
01:16:53,120 --> 01:16:57,120
Speaker 1: know you're not winning any bron bronze contest. I got

1507
01:16:57,200 --> 01:16:59,200
Speaker 1: the I went to a Ruba when I was like

1508
01:16:59,640 --> 01:17:02,120
Speaker 1: about the twelve years ago, and like I just was

1509
01:17:02,160 --> 01:17:04,479
Speaker 1: in the sun for like twenty minutes or something. Got

1510
01:17:04,520 --> 01:17:07,679
Speaker 1: the worst sunburn in my life. My shoulders are still

1511
01:17:07,720 --> 01:17:09,719
Speaker 1: not recovered. Like the skin of my show, I probably

1512
01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:12,720
Speaker 1: get skin cancer. Yeah, It's like it affected me so

1513
01:17:12,840 --> 01:17:14,559
Speaker 1: much that I like lived in Miami for a few

1514
01:17:14,680 --> 01:17:17,200
Speaker 1: years and I was like, under hats, I don't, I don't,

1515
01:17:17,439 --> 01:17:22,240
Speaker 1: I'll never be tan, but I I I love college

1516
01:17:22,240 --> 01:17:25,320
Speaker 1: football and I feel bad about you know, college football.

1517
01:17:26,000 --> 01:17:28,120
Speaker 1: Do you know what like the NBA? No, no, no, no, no.

1518
01:17:28,360 --> 01:17:30,519
Speaker 1: I'm not like an analyst, n right, but I but

1519
01:17:30,640 --> 01:17:33,080
Speaker 1: I feel bad about it because those kids are being exploited.

1520
01:17:33,240 --> 01:17:39,599
Speaker 1: Oh completely, I'm I'm complicit. I'm complicit. The concussions are awful.

1521
01:17:40,080 --> 01:17:42,559
Speaker 1: These guys, these dudes are like going crazy. Like by

1522
01:17:42,600 --> 01:17:45,639
Speaker 1: the day we're seeing guys get diagnos with ct I'm

1523
01:17:45,800 --> 01:17:47,560
Speaker 1: I gotta try to wean myself off of it. I

1524
01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:51,000
Speaker 1: don't know if I feel guilty. I do. I feel

1525
01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:53,920
Speaker 1: What about NFL, I'm not as into that as much

1526
01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:55,880
Speaker 1: I can. I can, like, if there's nothing going on

1527
01:17:55,960 --> 01:17:59,160
Speaker 1: a Sunday, I'll watch I don't need the NFL, which

1528
01:17:59,280 --> 01:18:01,920
Speaker 1: is you know, not good for you know? The ESPN

1529
01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:04,599
Speaker 1: is I got you, I got you, But college football.

1530
01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:07,080
Speaker 1: I love pace yourself. You're you're you're. What are you

1531
01:18:07,160 --> 01:18:09,320
Speaker 1: taking like? You haven't had a break since the see Like,

1532
01:18:09,560 --> 01:18:12,160
Speaker 1: what's the rest of your summer? Like INTI, what is

1533
01:18:12,160 --> 01:18:14,479
Speaker 1: the rest of your break? Like? Well, first off, I

1534
01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:19,280
Speaker 1: try to d plug whenever I can, like when I

1535
01:18:19,960 --> 01:18:22,920
Speaker 1: when I listen. When I leave here and I'm going

1536
01:18:22,960 --> 01:18:27,000
Speaker 1: back to the hotel, I will listen to The Stern Show,

1537
01:18:27,120 --> 01:18:29,320
Speaker 1: which is there on hiatus. One of the reasons why

1538
01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:32,360
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of yours because your preferences performances

1539
01:18:32,400 --> 01:18:35,439
Speaker 1: on there. He doesn't know anything nothing about it. I

1540
01:18:35,520 --> 01:18:37,000
Speaker 1: can be on. I can listen to that show. I

1541
01:18:37,080 --> 01:18:39,000
Speaker 1: listen to every Howard Stern show since two thousand and

1542
01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:40,960
Speaker 1: six when he came to Serious. That's why I started listening.

1543
01:18:42,120 --> 01:18:44,080
Speaker 1: I listen to other podcasts that are like I like

1544
01:18:44,160 --> 01:18:48,679
Speaker 1: listen listen to I don't know anything about cars, okay, okay,

1545
01:18:49,160 --> 01:18:51,080
Speaker 1: I can't change it, only I can't change the tire.

1546
01:18:51,240 --> 01:18:53,160
Speaker 1: I listened to card Talk podcast. I like that. When

1547
01:18:53,200 --> 01:18:56,920
Speaker 1: those guys are dead, they're all in replace. But it's

1548
01:18:57,000 --> 01:18:59,360
Speaker 1: comforting to me because I liked just to get away

1549
01:18:59,400 --> 01:19:01,320
Speaker 1: from it there Hill, I like those guys. What other

1550
01:19:01,360 --> 01:19:04,439
Speaker 1: podcasts do you like? Um? Let me look at my phone.

1551
01:19:04,920 --> 01:19:07,799
Speaker 1: Do I mean that I am Rappaport podcast. Course, Well, everybody,

1552
01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:09,960
Speaker 1: I mean that goes because your buddy, did he do

1553
01:19:10,120 --> 01:19:13,120
Speaker 1: the RBS is like he the over No, he sounds

1554
01:19:13,160 --> 01:19:14,439
Speaker 1: like he sounds like do you know what I think

1555
01:19:14,479 --> 01:19:17,200
Speaker 1: that is? I think it's ving Rams bring in the beef.

1556
01:19:17,360 --> 01:19:21,719
Speaker 1: That's being to that's being Rams. I Active Ring Rings,

1557
01:19:22,240 --> 01:19:25,240
Speaker 1: Gimo Nettie the two thousand and fifteen podcast colds here.

1558
01:19:25,240 --> 01:19:28,560
Speaker 1: But he doesn't his voice sound like I thought like

1559
01:19:28,640 --> 01:19:30,240
Speaker 1: he was like a voice. But now that you now

1560
01:19:30,320 --> 01:19:32,200
Speaker 1: that you you I told you being Rams, Now you'll

1561
01:19:32,240 --> 01:19:34,599
Speaker 1: be like, oh you could hear it's v Range bring

1562
01:19:34,720 --> 01:19:38,800
Speaker 1: in the beef. So I listened to um Fresh Air. Okay, yeah,

1563
01:19:38,840 --> 01:19:41,439
Speaker 1: you know, just like that. I listened to Bill Simmons podcast.

1564
01:19:41,720 --> 01:19:44,080
Speaker 1: But dude, that's not an escape from spot No. But

1565
01:19:44,160 --> 01:19:47,439
Speaker 1: it doesn't always do NBA. When you said the line

1566
01:19:48,080 --> 01:19:51,920
Speaker 1: the Prince was the world class Coxman stickman, world class Coxman,

1567
01:19:51,960 --> 01:19:55,160
Speaker 1: world class stickman. For sure. It's one of the I had.

1568
01:19:55,280 --> 01:19:57,160
Speaker 1: I was laughing so hard I had to pause it. Well,

1569
01:19:57,160 --> 01:19:59,080
Speaker 1: it's a truth. It's a true statement. I mean, you

1570
01:19:59,160 --> 01:20:01,880
Speaker 1: know he among it is being uh, you know, fantastic

1571
01:20:02,040 --> 01:20:04,920
Speaker 1: artists and all the other things. A world class, world

1572
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:07,639
Speaker 1: renowned Coxman. One of the greats of all time because

1573
01:20:07,640 --> 01:20:12,800
Speaker 1: of the longevity, right, the longevity, the span uh that

1574
01:20:12,920 --> 01:20:15,760
Speaker 1: he was laying that purple that purple pipe down goes

1575
01:20:15,800 --> 01:20:20,280
Speaker 1: from when he first emerged loaf. Yeah, he was. He

1576
01:20:20,360 --> 01:20:23,160
Speaker 1: was unfolding the purple loaf for for for years. So

1577
01:20:23,760 --> 01:20:26,920
Speaker 1: great Coxman. And I felt like the mainstream media, you know,

1578
01:20:27,000 --> 01:20:30,559
Speaker 1: they mentioned purple rain No, and then all of a sudden,

1579
01:20:30,600 --> 01:20:32,360
Speaker 1: it's like, what about the fact that this is a

1580
01:20:32,479 --> 01:20:36,200
Speaker 1: true stickman, a fantastic stickman. So what other parts this

1581
01:20:36,320 --> 01:20:40,200
Speaker 1: American life? Um, the Mark Mark Marins Pod like to

1582
01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:43,519
Speaker 1: nuriced this this one thing called the Mystery Show which

1583
01:20:43,520 --> 01:20:45,439
Speaker 1: had like six episodes last year and they haven't brought

1584
01:20:45,479 --> 01:20:47,759
Speaker 1: it back. Don't know that one? Well you wouldn't because

1585
01:20:47,800 --> 01:20:50,880
Speaker 1: it's been gone for a year, Like it's very strange. Um.

1586
01:20:51,040 --> 01:20:52,639
Speaker 1: You know, those are the things I you know, pretty

1587
01:20:52,720 --> 01:20:54,920
Speaker 1: much listened to um and you know, but really, my

1588
01:20:55,640 --> 01:20:58,200
Speaker 1: my life is dominant. Like it's a challenge for me

1589
01:20:58,280 --> 01:20:59,720
Speaker 1: every day to be able to get through the entire

1590
01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:01,960
Speaker 1: hour Stern Show because my my my day is very

1591
01:21:02,040 --> 01:21:04,120
Speaker 1: fully and it's like, well I missed that one segment.

1592
01:21:04,120 --> 01:21:06,280
Speaker 1: I gotta go back to that. I'll be I'll be

1593
01:21:06,360 --> 01:21:08,640
Speaker 1: on there because fantasy is gearing up, I know, and

1594
01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:11,320
Speaker 1: and they're they're sort of like, oh here he comes.

1595
01:21:11,439 --> 01:21:13,639
Speaker 1: I know that nothing I will hear on that show

1596
01:21:14,479 --> 01:21:17,200
Speaker 1: will bring me to someplace that is like work related.

1597
01:21:17,640 --> 01:21:20,800
Speaker 1: That that is a true escapism. Yes, when I'm on that,

1598
01:21:20,960 --> 01:21:24,439
Speaker 1: when I he's fantast and that that's why I love

1599
01:21:24,520 --> 01:21:28,720
Speaker 1: doing it. It's total escapism. It's juvenile, delinquent behavior of

1600
01:21:28,880 --> 01:21:32,080
Speaker 1: of of grown folks. And like my wife, like I

1601
01:21:32,439 --> 01:21:34,040
Speaker 1: can't even let her listen to it for five seconds

1602
01:21:34,080 --> 01:21:35,920
Speaker 1: because she will just look at me like what are

1603
01:21:35,960 --> 01:21:37,720
Speaker 1: you what are you doing? You know, she judges me.

1604
01:21:38,280 --> 01:21:41,320
Speaker 1: I get it. I it's you know, sometimes the other day,

1605
01:21:41,439 --> 01:21:45,000
Speaker 1: what have enough with Howard? When when you say this

1606
01:21:45,200 --> 01:21:47,920
Speaker 1: is something I want to ask, when you say my

1607
01:21:48,120 --> 01:21:51,240
Speaker 1: sources have told me or sources have told me, who

1608
01:21:51,280 --> 01:21:53,240
Speaker 1: are you talking about? You don't have to give your

1609
01:21:53,240 --> 01:21:56,799
Speaker 1: sources number one? Number two, do your sources have sources

1610
01:21:56,920 --> 01:21:59,559
Speaker 1: are number three? Are you getting it directly from the source?

1611
01:21:59,760 --> 01:22:02,639
Speaker 1: Are you no, You're I'm speaking generally. Are some people

1612
01:22:02,920 --> 01:22:05,519
Speaker 1: saying when they say I have sources? Are they just

1613
01:22:05,680 --> 01:22:09,000
Speaker 1: saying that to sort of instigate a rumor? When you

1614
01:22:09,120 --> 01:22:12,760
Speaker 1: guys say as broadcasters, sources have told me and Bruchard

1615
01:22:12,880 --> 01:22:14,640
Speaker 1: is my man, he I think he brought sources to

1616
01:22:14,720 --> 01:22:18,479
Speaker 1: the mainstream because he's the first one and I do

1617
01:22:18,560 --> 01:22:22,599
Speaker 1: a Chris Brusard's sources have told me that Lebron James

1618
01:22:23,040 --> 01:22:25,360
Speaker 1: has met with the Miami He you know, and he

1619
01:22:25,680 --> 01:22:28,559
Speaker 1: was the first one that I remember being like sources, sources, sources.

1620
01:22:28,800 --> 01:22:31,559
Speaker 1: Now it's sort of a cliche. But when you say sources,

1621
01:22:32,080 --> 01:22:33,800
Speaker 1: you don't have to name names. But who are they?

1622
01:22:33,840 --> 01:22:35,960
Speaker 1: Are they g ms? Are they people taping ankles? Like?

1623
01:22:36,040 --> 01:22:38,160
Speaker 1: What are you? Where you getting this? Well? In some

1624
01:22:38,360 --> 01:22:46,360
Speaker 1: cases it is non nonlike official people like maybe ankle tapers,

1625
01:22:47,360 --> 01:22:50,200
Speaker 1: but that's those are rare. I got you the Lion's

1626
01:22:50,200 --> 01:22:58,960
Speaker 1: sharef of sources are executives, owners and agents. Now, will

1627
01:22:59,040 --> 01:23:01,360
Speaker 1: they say to you, let's just blow this out there,

1628
01:23:01,439 --> 01:23:05,800
Speaker 1: let's just do retired players. Will an agent say to you, like,

1629
01:23:06,080 --> 01:23:09,320
Speaker 1: let's say the Nicks are trying to resign Patrick Ewing, okay,

1630
01:23:09,600 --> 01:23:13,439
Speaker 1: and the Seattle supersigence, so like, you know, vying for well,

1631
01:23:13,479 --> 01:23:15,720
Speaker 1: they give you a tip because there no you'll bring

1632
01:23:15,800 --> 01:23:18,000
Speaker 1: it to ESPN to sort of play the middleman, and like,

1633
01:23:18,080 --> 01:23:20,400
Speaker 1: are they almost sort of using Can you guys be

1634
01:23:20,600 --> 01:23:23,120
Speaker 1: used in a way by those people? Can lee? That's

1635
01:23:23,160 --> 01:23:26,840
Speaker 1: the entire game. The game is mitigating how you're used

1636
01:23:27,320 --> 01:23:29,479
Speaker 1: so that you're not totally being used so you don't

1637
01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:31,240
Speaker 1: look like a chump. Yeah, because you don't want to

1638
01:23:31,280 --> 01:23:33,320
Speaker 1: break news that's totally off the wall and you want

1639
01:23:33,320 --> 01:23:35,200
Speaker 1: to there's gotta be a line, you know that you know,

1640
01:23:35,240 --> 01:23:37,120
Speaker 1: you're just like I'm not gonna go there, right, Or

1641
01:23:37,160 --> 01:23:38,800
Speaker 1: they pitch you something like hey how about this and

1642
01:23:38,840 --> 01:23:41,080
Speaker 1: he's like I can't do it? You know, but um

1643
01:23:41,400 --> 01:23:43,720
Speaker 1: so it's a it's an ongoing relationship. You're you're like

1644
01:23:43,800 --> 01:23:46,240
Speaker 1: today it's just gonna an example for today. So yesterday

1645
01:23:46,320 --> 01:23:49,240
Speaker 1: Dwayne Wade signs with the Heat. So this morning with

1646
01:23:49,360 --> 01:23:52,799
Speaker 1: the heat with the bulls. This morning, I'm in convert

1647
01:23:52,960 --> 01:23:54,920
Speaker 1: I hear that there's a possibility that the heat may

1648
01:23:54,960 --> 01:23:57,960
Speaker 1: look to trade garand Dragic. I don't know for sure

1649
01:23:57,960 --> 01:24:01,200
Speaker 1: if it's gonna happen, but I start talking King two executives,

1650
01:24:01,680 --> 01:24:03,040
Speaker 1: what do you think about this? Do you think they

1651
01:24:03,120 --> 01:24:05,080
Speaker 1: have to move him? Do you think you'd be interested

1652
01:24:05,120 --> 01:24:07,360
Speaker 1: in it? And not only just on the phone, which

1653
01:24:07,400 --> 01:24:09,160
Speaker 1: we do, which I do a lot, but also on text,

1654
01:24:09,640 --> 01:24:12,120
Speaker 1: like I may be having conversations with five executives at

1655
01:24:12,160 --> 01:24:13,760
Speaker 1: the same time on text when we think about this

1656
01:24:13,800 --> 01:24:15,360
Speaker 1: while they gotta do it. No, No, they're gonna hold

1657
01:24:15,360 --> 01:24:17,080
Speaker 1: on to them. I heard this whatever. But that's just,

1658
01:24:17,439 --> 01:24:19,600
Speaker 1: you know, just a conversation that isn't necessarily about a

1659
01:24:19,600 --> 01:24:21,960
Speaker 1: story that's gonna got you. But when the when the

1660
01:24:22,040 --> 01:24:24,840
Speaker 1: when the when it goes down, you got to rely

1661
01:24:24,960 --> 01:24:28,400
Speaker 1: on them. So like last night, for example, UM, you

1662
01:24:28,479 --> 01:24:31,320
Speaker 1: know the Wade stuff. You know, I had to reach

1663
01:24:31,400 --> 01:24:34,160
Speaker 1: people with the bulls? Is this going to happen? And

1664
01:24:34,240 --> 01:24:36,160
Speaker 1: sometimes they can tell you, And sometimes sometimes you send

1665
01:24:36,200 --> 01:24:39,360
Speaker 1: a text and it just goes unanswered R because they

1666
01:24:39,400 --> 01:24:42,479
Speaker 1: can't tell you. Um, And there's just confirmation and stuff

1667
01:24:42,520 --> 01:24:44,839
Speaker 1: like that, and you know this time of year, especially agents,

1668
01:24:45,240 --> 01:24:47,519
Speaker 1: you know, because the teams don't like to necessarily tell

1669
01:24:47,520 --> 01:24:49,920
Speaker 1: you how much their players are getting because that's the

1670
01:24:49,960 --> 01:24:54,080
Speaker 1: thing they they you know, they're not supposed to publicize that.

1671
01:24:54,160 --> 01:24:56,920
Speaker 1: But obviously we all get the numbers. The agents meanwhile,

1672
01:24:56,960 --> 01:24:59,760
Speaker 1: this is their work product. So if they get and like, yeah,

1673
01:24:59,800 --> 01:25:02,200
Speaker 1: we I got him four and seventy million, and sometimes

1674
01:25:02,240 --> 01:25:05,040
Speaker 1: that can be manipulated like it's actually not seventy it's

1675
01:25:05,080 --> 01:25:07,400
Speaker 1: like sixty three and they bounded up or whatever. So

1676
01:25:07,880 --> 01:25:09,439
Speaker 1: it's but just but it's a it's a three or

1677
01:25:09,520 --> 01:25:12,240
Speaker 1: sixty five day a year process. You're constantly in contact

1678
01:25:12,280 --> 01:25:14,680
Speaker 1: with these people. We can't do this podcast when we're

1679
01:25:14,680 --> 01:25:18,960
Speaker 1: talking about agents money without bringing up Mike Conley. Mike

1680
01:25:19,040 --> 01:25:21,680
Speaker 1: Conley signed a contract for is it a hundred and

1681
01:25:21,880 --> 01:25:25,479
Speaker 1: fifty million dollars or is it a hundred thirty And

1682
01:25:25,640 --> 01:25:28,400
Speaker 1: who the fuck is his agent? And can I get

1683
01:25:28,479 --> 01:25:30,599
Speaker 1: him to negotiate the deal? I'm trying to buy a house.

1684
01:25:31,080 --> 01:25:34,320
Speaker 1: I want whoever negotiated that deal in my life? When

1685
01:25:34,400 --> 01:25:37,040
Speaker 1: I'm talking to American airlines and I want ticket prices

1686
01:25:37,120 --> 01:25:41,559
Speaker 1: down Verizon, who who got Mike Conley. Who's a good player.

1687
01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:44,000
Speaker 1: Would you say he's a great player? Is he top

1688
01:25:44,080 --> 01:25:45,840
Speaker 1: ten point guard? I don't think he's ever made the

1689
01:25:45,880 --> 01:25:48,760
Speaker 1: All Star Game? Right, he's a good player, he's respected.

1690
01:25:49,280 --> 01:25:51,919
Speaker 1: Not that he's twenty nine years old. He's had injuries,

1691
01:25:52,240 --> 01:25:54,720
Speaker 1: which is sort of the apex of a point guard's career. Right.

1692
01:25:55,280 --> 01:25:58,280
Speaker 1: Most likely his next five years, most likely, not for sure,

1693
01:25:58,600 --> 01:25:59,960
Speaker 1: are not will not be as good as a lad

1694
01:26:00,040 --> 01:26:02,280
Speaker 1: us five. His agent, by the way, as his father,

1695
01:26:02,520 --> 01:26:08,000
Speaker 1: triple jump gold medalist Mike Conley sor um man. And

1696
01:26:08,160 --> 01:26:10,640
Speaker 1: what's what's the on paper? From what you know? What

1697
01:26:10,920 --> 01:26:14,160
Speaker 1: is his contract? One hundred fifty three million dollars? I

1698
01:26:14,439 --> 01:26:17,680
Speaker 1: want to smack your face for safe. A hundred and

1699
01:26:17,800 --> 01:26:21,719
Speaker 1: fifty three millions? Fully? What the fuck is the Memphis

1700
01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:25,160
Speaker 1: Grizzly are they? I mean, that's insanity. You mean to

1701
01:26:25,240 --> 01:26:27,920
Speaker 1: tell me they couldn't pick up two other point guards

1702
01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:30,519
Speaker 1: to cover up what Mike Conley does. They're not winning

1703
01:26:30,560 --> 01:26:34,360
Speaker 1: a championship. A hundred and fifty three million. Mike Conley,

1704
01:26:34,439 --> 01:26:37,080
Speaker 1: God bless you. He's a classy guy. I followed your

1705
01:26:37,160 --> 01:26:39,679
Speaker 1: dad in the Olympics. I've always liked them. What Ohio

1706
01:26:39,800 --> 01:26:46,439
Speaker 1: State Yo, three million dollars, Like, Yo, isn't he next year?

1707
01:26:46,520 --> 01:26:49,799
Speaker 1: Isn't he making more than Lebron and Steph Curry combined

1708
01:26:50,040 --> 01:26:53,960
Speaker 1: next season? No, but it's not You're not way off, yo.

1709
01:26:54,400 --> 01:26:56,600
Speaker 1: What is he's making more than Clay Thompson? What is

1710
01:26:56,640 --> 01:26:59,120
Speaker 1: the rationale of a hundred and fifty three a million

1711
01:26:59,160 --> 01:27:02,160
Speaker 1: dollars for Clay Mike Conley? I don't understand how how

1712
01:27:02,280 --> 01:27:04,519
Speaker 1: how he I get the k DS, I get the

1713
01:27:04,600 --> 01:27:07,360
Speaker 1: Clays and get the Steps. I get the mainstream dudes

1714
01:27:07,439 --> 01:27:09,320
Speaker 1: who were, like, you know, either in their prime are

1715
01:27:09,360 --> 01:27:11,920
Speaker 1: gonna be a hundred and fifty three million dollars? Just

1716
01:27:12,040 --> 01:27:14,800
Speaker 1: gotta be resenting. What the fuck is a hundred and

1717
01:27:14,840 --> 01:27:17,920
Speaker 1: fifty three million dollars? And I'm not knocking the player.

1718
01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:19,679
Speaker 1: I'm not in the game. Like, I just don't understand,

1719
01:27:19,720 --> 01:27:22,120
Speaker 1: Like what Memphis, They're not winning a championship next year.

1720
01:27:22,240 --> 01:27:24,479
Speaker 1: There's no way they're winning a championship. They also gave

1721
01:27:24,479 --> 01:27:27,519
Speaker 1: a cha on their Parsons four million dollars and he

1722
01:27:27,600 --> 01:27:32,000
Speaker 1: has missed the last two years. Your face, man, So

1723
01:27:32,479 --> 01:27:36,880
Speaker 1: it's it's leverage. It's leverage. It's because Memphis can't get

1724
01:27:36,960 --> 01:27:39,360
Speaker 1: star players. They just can't get him to come there.

1725
01:27:39,920 --> 01:27:42,200
Speaker 1: And there was twenty teams that could have offered Mike

1726
01:27:42,240 --> 01:27:44,760
Speaker 1: Conley that money. They would have there's other places that

1727
01:27:44,800 --> 01:27:48,160
Speaker 1: would have offered him a hundred to a hundred fifty.

1728
01:27:48,200 --> 01:27:50,280
Speaker 1: They could have got like a hundred fifteen the extra

1729
01:27:50,400 --> 01:27:52,719
Speaker 1: fifth year. So look, here's the thing. Like Al Horford,

1730
01:27:52,800 --> 01:27:55,720
Speaker 1: for example, Al Horford goes to Boston, right and you're like,

1731
01:27:55,800 --> 01:27:58,439
Speaker 1: the Hawks, how can the Hawks let him go? Well,

1732
01:27:58,479 --> 01:28:01,439
Speaker 1: that's why because the Hawks it was same parameters. The

1733
01:28:01,520 --> 01:28:04,479
Speaker 1: Hawks said, we can't give out Horford a hundred fifty million.

1734
01:28:04,560 --> 01:28:06,840
Speaker 1: We just can't do it. And Horford has been an

1735
01:28:06,840 --> 01:28:09,840
Speaker 1: All Star four times and Horford's I mean, they've had

1736
01:28:09,880 --> 01:28:13,080
Speaker 1: deep playoff runs and I like out Horford and the

1737
01:28:13,120 --> 01:28:15,600
Speaker 1: Hawks were just like, we can't do it. We're like,

1738
01:28:15,720 --> 01:28:18,600
Speaker 1: we can give you a hundred and thirty million, we

1739
01:28:18,640 --> 01:28:20,599
Speaker 1: can't give you a hundred fifty million. And Alfour if

1740
01:28:20,600 --> 01:28:21,920
Speaker 1: it's like all right, I'm out of here. And then

1741
01:28:21,960 --> 01:28:25,679
Speaker 1: what did he get from Boston? And it's a shorter

1742
01:28:25,760 --> 01:28:28,240
Speaker 1: period of time four years, a D thirteen. What is

1743
01:28:28,320 --> 01:28:32,200
Speaker 1: Lebron James getting next season right now? If he wants

1744
01:28:32,240 --> 01:28:35,160
Speaker 1: it depends on whether he wants to sign a contract

1745
01:28:35,479 --> 01:28:37,120
Speaker 1: for that long because he could only take a one

1746
01:28:37,479 --> 01:28:40,479
Speaker 1: you take one year contracts. He could get up to

1747
01:28:40,560 --> 01:28:45,720
Speaker 1: a hundred and for one year. No nous, christ, Oh

1748
01:28:45,880 --> 01:28:47,720
Speaker 1: you mean for for for how many years? Could he

1749
01:28:47,760 --> 01:28:50,240
Speaker 1: get five for five? Well, he's worth it and next

1750
01:28:50,360 --> 01:28:52,240
Speaker 1: year so he he just points up the because he's

1751
01:28:52,240 --> 01:28:54,559
Speaker 1: doing one in dunes, right, he has been. But at

1752
01:28:54,600 --> 01:28:56,840
Speaker 1: some point you're gonna invest. You know, you're gonna say,

1753
01:28:56,840 --> 01:28:58,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be here. I don't know if he's gonna

1754
01:28:58,200 --> 01:29:00,760
Speaker 1: do that or not. Okay, So the highest paid player

1755
01:29:00,760 --> 01:29:06,240
Speaker 1: in NBA history isn't was Michael Jordan's made thirty three million.

1756
01:29:06,840 --> 01:29:09,840
Speaker 1: That's like dogship compared to it, like it's not, But

1757
01:29:09,920 --> 01:29:13,200
Speaker 1: it's not because nobody's nobody's made that money in one year.

1758
01:29:13,920 --> 01:29:17,559
Speaker 1: The only two players have ever made over thirty million

1759
01:29:17,720 --> 01:29:20,800
Speaker 1: in one season. K Um kg never made it. He

1760
01:29:20,880 --> 01:29:23,840
Speaker 1: was close a bunch of times. Um Kobe made it

1761
01:29:23,920 --> 01:29:27,240
Speaker 1: one year. Okay, So give me another profession now, I

1762
01:29:27,360 --> 01:29:32,080
Speaker 1: agree Michael Jordan was otherworldly. Find me another profession where

1763
01:29:32,120 --> 01:29:36,040
Speaker 1: the highest paid player in a profession twenty years ago,

1764
01:29:36,280 --> 01:29:39,320
Speaker 1: or the highest paid person is not twenty years later.

1765
01:29:39,400 --> 01:29:43,760
Speaker 1: Still not making like, well, the greatest thorastic surgeon in

1766
01:29:43,880 --> 01:29:49,120
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy six, you know, even an average you know

1767
01:29:49,160 --> 01:29:52,160
Speaker 1: surgeon was probably making more kind of what kind of

1768
01:29:53,040 --> 01:29:55,160
Speaker 1: what is thorastic? What kind of surgeon? I think that's

1769
01:29:55,200 --> 01:29:58,560
Speaker 1: like a complex surgery, orthopedic, like like your boys in

1770
01:29:58,560 --> 01:30:00,680
Speaker 1: New York are gonna need by the the growth. Yes,

1771
01:30:01,280 --> 01:30:04,519
Speaker 1: you know what my point is for all this complaining

1772
01:30:04,520 --> 01:30:09,559
Speaker 1: about the NBA um the NBA economy, the top players

1773
01:30:09,600 --> 01:30:11,880
Speaker 1: are kind of been getting screwed because the highest paid

1774
01:30:11,920 --> 01:30:13,640
Speaker 1: top player was twenty years ago. No, I granted it

1775
01:30:13,680 --> 01:30:16,720
Speaker 1: was the greatest player of all time. So finally next

1776
01:30:16,800 --> 01:30:20,960
Speaker 1: year Michael's gonna get knocked off his perch because Lebron

1777
01:30:21,880 --> 01:30:25,080
Speaker 1: or Durant are going to hit that thirty five million dollars.

1778
01:30:25,120 --> 01:30:27,519
Speaker 1: Well step, because it isn't Steff getting like seven million

1779
01:30:27,560 --> 01:30:30,680
Speaker 1: dollars making twelve million this year. This year coming up

1780
01:30:30,840 --> 01:30:34,519
Speaker 1: next year, he'll probably hit twenty six million. Okay, alright,

1781
01:30:34,840 --> 01:30:37,080
Speaker 1: And I know you felt bad about about about him

1782
01:30:37,120 --> 01:30:39,160
Speaker 1: only making twelve Well, I just think that, I mean,

1783
01:30:39,280 --> 01:30:42,599
Speaker 1: your ten percent taxes in California, that's crazy. I can't

1784
01:30:42,600 --> 01:30:45,000
Speaker 1: believe what you guys pat here. But yeah, it's terrible.

1785
01:30:45,960 --> 01:30:48,560
Speaker 1: But but the the Mike Conley thing is the craziest

1786
01:30:48,640 --> 01:30:51,240
Speaker 1: thing ever, that is the most wild. So what is

1787
01:30:51,360 --> 01:30:52,920
Speaker 1: just just to end this? I gotta let you go.

1788
01:30:53,080 --> 01:30:55,400
Speaker 1: I gotta go. What is Mike Conley making for the

1789
01:30:55,439 --> 01:30:59,400
Speaker 1: two thousand and sixteen seventeen season that's coming up thirty

1790
01:31:00,200 --> 01:31:04,439
Speaker 1: eight million? So he'll be the third. So here here

1791
01:31:04,720 --> 01:31:07,919
Speaker 1: we have the thirty million dollar men. Ready, Michael Jordan's

1792
01:31:08,800 --> 01:31:14,519
Speaker 1: Kobe Bryant. Unbelievable. All right, be win Hurst. I appreciate

1793
01:31:14,560 --> 01:31:16,600
Speaker 1: you doing the Iron Rapports stereo punk. You for having me,

1794
01:31:16,720 --> 01:31:18,760
Speaker 1: thank you for just bringing me out to this incredible

1795
01:31:18,800 --> 01:31:21,920
Speaker 1: place taking photos I'm walking around of course, the studio

1796
01:31:22,000 --> 01:31:25,479
Speaker 1: the Charlie Chaplin built. Um, it was a pleasure. I

1797
01:31:25,520 --> 01:31:28,519
Speaker 1: would love to have you back on again. Enjoy your summer.

1798
01:31:28,680 --> 01:31:31,200
Speaker 1: Thank you. I hope you can decompress from I hope

1799
01:31:31,240 --> 01:31:33,200
Speaker 1: he could go twenty four hours without hearing K D

1800
01:31:33,479 --> 01:31:36,479
Speaker 1: D k UM and any of this stuff, because as

1801
01:31:36,560 --> 01:31:38,759
Speaker 1: much as I love it, even sometimes I I can't.

1802
01:31:39,160 --> 01:31:42,240
Speaker 1: I can't deal with it. Although once once it's brought up,

1803
01:31:42,400 --> 01:31:44,400
Speaker 1: it's like it's like just pulling back a scab and

1804
01:31:44,479 --> 01:31:46,000
Speaker 1: I and it's like I'm on a road. I I

1805
01:31:46,040 --> 01:31:47,240
Speaker 1: don't even know how I got on the road of

1806
01:31:47,280 --> 01:31:49,320
Speaker 1: that content thing. It was that that was that was

1807
01:31:49,439 --> 01:31:51,320
Speaker 1: great to witness in person. I don't know what that is.

1808
01:31:53,920 --> 01:31:55,639
Speaker 1: Three million. I want to hang out with his pops

1809
01:31:56,080 --> 01:31:59,639
Speaker 1: because he's probably like I didn't. He pays his foil.

1810
01:31:59,720 --> 01:32:01,599
Speaker 1: I don't know what. You know, anybody could make an agreement,

1811
01:32:01,600 --> 01:32:04,880
Speaker 1: but the typical agreements four percent. These NBA players got

1812
01:32:04,960 --> 01:32:07,040
Speaker 1: it good. You know what the actors pay our agents,

1813
01:32:07,640 --> 01:32:10,439
Speaker 1: say my agent, my agent geercent percent out here with

1814
01:32:10,520 --> 01:32:13,840
Speaker 1: their with their share paying. By the way, I just

1815
01:32:13,880 --> 01:32:19,280
Speaker 1: can't believe taxes tem percent to your agent manager. We're

1816
01:32:19,320 --> 01:32:22,720
Speaker 1: already cutting deep and he's paying four percent to the

1817
01:32:23,439 --> 01:32:25,360
Speaker 1: So the athletes because they make it so much money.

1818
01:32:26,280 --> 01:32:28,400
Speaker 1: The way that for some of these guys negotiate down

1819
01:32:28,439 --> 01:32:31,160
Speaker 1: and say, well three two percent. You know what somebody

1820
01:32:31,200 --> 01:32:33,040
Speaker 1: told me. He said, listen, you need to tell these people.

1821
01:32:34,120 --> 01:32:36,800
Speaker 1: If you don't kill it, you don't need it. That's

1822
01:32:36,800 --> 01:32:38,360
Speaker 1: how it works. If you if you you know, like

1823
01:32:38,479 --> 01:32:40,120
Speaker 1: somebody like I know, some of these players don't have

1824
01:32:40,240 --> 01:32:42,040
Speaker 1: ages because it's like, listen, it is what it is.

1825
01:32:42,400 --> 01:32:45,439
Speaker 1: Tom Cruise paying ten percent, I don't know what Tom

1826
01:32:45,520 --> 01:32:48,040
Speaker 1: Cruise is playing. I know that it depends on some

1827
01:32:48,160 --> 01:32:50,400
Speaker 1: of the actors. You know, it varies, so I know

1828
01:32:50,560 --> 01:32:53,519
Speaker 1: some of them are like, yo, you listen, especially when

1829
01:32:53,520 --> 01:32:55,840
Speaker 1: the show gets into syndication. You hear like these actors

1830
01:32:55,920 --> 01:32:59,839
Speaker 1: making you know, hundred million dollars for being on whatever sitcom.

1831
01:33:00,320 --> 01:33:03,040
Speaker 1: They tell them say, Yo, no, you're gonna get this

1832
01:33:03,200 --> 01:33:04,800
Speaker 1: and you're gonna get that. Some of them are just like,

1833
01:33:04,880 --> 01:33:07,560
Speaker 1: I'm too loyal, I'll get it. Varies. I don't know

1834
01:33:07,640 --> 01:33:09,640
Speaker 1: what Tom Cruise is paying, but I know that the

1835
01:33:09,800 --> 01:33:12,000
Speaker 1: the the actors that I know that make big, big money,

1836
01:33:12,120 --> 01:33:13,719
Speaker 1: a lot of them have been with the same people.

1837
01:33:14,280 --> 01:33:17,760
Speaker 1: And at that point you're making so much money, it's

1838
01:33:17,800 --> 01:33:21,080
Speaker 1: like write off. It's like it's benefiting you know it

1839
01:33:21,160 --> 01:33:24,719
Speaker 1: take twelve because it's a better write off. I appreciate

1840
01:33:24,760 --> 01:33:28,240
Speaker 1: you doing this. Um Jann Rapports stereo podcast coming live

1841
01:33:28,320 --> 01:33:31,320
Speaker 1: from Henton Studios with my man Brian Winners and we're done.