WEBVTT - FB 105: High Hitler: How a Meth-Peddling Doctor Changed the Course of World War II

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<v Speaker 1>got last week's pop quiz correct. The question was what

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<v Speaker 1>chronic physical ailment did Adolph Hitler suffer from? That led

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<v Speaker 1>him to seek some rather unorthodox and highly consequential medical treatment,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're all about to find that out. Stay tuned

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<v Speaker 1>until the end of this episode to hear the quiz

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<v Speaker 1>question for next week's episode. September, the fate of Europe

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<v Speaker 1>hangs in the balance, and an effort to appease Adolph

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<v Speaker 1>Hitler in the Nazi war machine, Allied leaders handed part

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<v Speaker 1>of Czechoslovakia called the Sudaton Land over to Germany. A

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<v Speaker 1>smiling British Prime Minister Nevill Chamberlain returned from Munich, then

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<v Speaker 1>came down the steps of his airplane in triumph, and

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<v Speaker 1>the Prime Minister comes home home to an empire pilled

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<v Speaker 1>with giant relief, home to a welcome that he will

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<v Speaker 1>never forget. It seemed like a true turning point in history.

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<v Speaker 1>The settlement on the Czechoslova Can problem, which has now

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<v Speaker 1>been achieved, is, in my view, only the plume to

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<v Speaker 1>a larger settlement in which all Europe may find peace.

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<v Speaker 1>But neither the Czechoslovakia problem nor peace had been remotely achieved.

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<v Speaker 1>Hitler wasn't done with Germany's neighbor, and he was prepared

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<v Speaker 1>to seize every advantage he could to finish the job,

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<v Speaker 1>even a medical emergency. Six months later, in March nine,

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<v Speaker 1>Czechoslovakia's President Emil Hatcha came to Berlin to meet with Hitler,

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<v Speaker 1>Herman Goring, and other Nazi leaders. This is scholar Norman Ohler,

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<v Speaker 1>author of the book Blitzed Drugs and Nazi Germany. During

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<v Speaker 1>that visit, girding Um put a paper on the desk

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<v Speaker 1>and set please sign here. This is your capitulation. The

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<v Speaker 1>German troops are coming tomorrow. If you sign here, no

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<v Speaker 1>blood will be sheard. Hot refused, but under the stress

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<v Speaker 1>of the situation, the ailing president suffered what was likely

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<v Speaker 1>a coronary episode. The historical records show that he actually fainted.

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<v Speaker 1>Hatcha actually lost consciousness in that room with Hitler, Girling

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<v Speaker 1>and some other Nazi big wigs. And of course, if

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<v Speaker 1>Hotcha wasn't awaken functioning, then he couldn't sign the paper

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<v Speaker 1>that would give his country away to the Nazis. Luckily,

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<v Speaker 1>Hitler's personal physician, Theodore Morrell, was standing by. Morrell was

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<v Speaker 1>called and he injected a cocktail into the unconscious Czechoslovakian president.

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<v Speaker 1>But this cocktail was no Martini. Well, it's not known

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<v Speaker 1>for certain what was in the drugs that were shot

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<v Speaker 1>into Hotcha. Most scholars think it was meth amphetamy. Certainly,

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<v Speaker 1>the cocktail had the effect that Hotcha came back to life,

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<v Speaker 1>looked around in the room, and suddenly felt that he

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<v Speaker 1>could do it, that he could trust these guys. And

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<v Speaker 1>Girling would then say to him, come on, we protects you.

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<v Speaker 1>So Hatcha then signed it and basically signed over the

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<v Speaker 1>defeat of his country. The next day Germans came and

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<v Speaker 1>the Czechoslovakia was basically gone. The very next morning, Hitler

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<v Speaker 1>invaded Prague without a fight, through the snow, the legions

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<v Speaker 1>of occupation marching to Czechoslovakia. This rapid stroke, which is

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<v Speaker 1>outraged all freedom loving nations of the world, is got

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<v Speaker 1>it out with military executedure. Artillery rose into Prague, and

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<v Speaker 1>man's God on the ragin the castle of King Winter's Mouth, presently,

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<v Speaker 1>from a window of the castle you may catch a

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<v Speaker 1>glimpse of Hitler himself contemplating his new conquest. Hitler stands

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<v Speaker 1>alone in that castle window. But there was another man

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<v Speaker 1>who was certainly in the room, doctor Theodore Morrel, the

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<v Speaker 1>man who injected the Czech president in Berlin. Throughout the war.

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<v Speaker 1>He was always at Hitler's side, and the conquest of

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<v Speaker 1>Czechoslovakia was far from the only way he helped alter

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<v Speaker 1>the course of the war and history itself. I'm Sean Braswell.

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<v Speaker 1>unintended consequences. Today a story of war and peace, of

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<v Speaker 1>madmen and vitamins, A cautionary tale about what can happen

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<v Speaker 1>when you give powerful people some powerful drugs. If you've

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<v Speaker 1>ever seen a documentary film about Adolph Hitler or the Nazis,

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<v Speaker 1>chances are you've seen some of the home movies shot

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<v Speaker 1>by Hitler's girlfriend Ava Brown at the Berghoff the Furor's

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<v Speaker 1>Mountain retreat. In those remarkable silent color films, you can

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<v Speaker 1>see a relaxed Hitler chatting with other Nazi leaders like

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<v Speaker 1>Hammon Goring and Joseph Gebbels on a sun drenched deck

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<v Speaker 1>with the mountain view behind. The Nazis eat cake and

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<v Speaker 1>sit tea, and gleefully discuss plans for world domination. One

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<v Speaker 1>of the figures you see heatedly but might not recognize,

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<v Speaker 1>is an overweight bald man with glasses. This was Hitler's

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<v Speaker 1>personal physician, doctor Theodore Morrele. What you don't see, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>is what happens when Ava Brown turns off the camera.

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<v Speaker 1>That's when things are turned to normal and the Nazis

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<v Speaker 1>warts are revealed. Brown goes back to biting her lips

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<v Speaker 1>until they bleed. Dr Morrell is so unhealthy he can

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<v Speaker 1>barely climb a flight of stairs, and Hitler himself when

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<v Speaker 1>the camera stops, his hands are shaking so badly his

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<v Speaker 1>teacup rattles loudly in its saucer. The German fuel is

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<v Speaker 1>a wreck and a drug addict, and an increasingly deranged one.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's one man to thank for it. But believe

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<v Speaker 1>it or not, this whole thing, and perhaps the most

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<v Speaker 1>fateful doctor patient relationship in history, starts with a very

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<v Speaker 1>minor problem. One that World War Two historians don't often

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<v Speaker 1>pay much attention to Adolph Hitler's insane and unrelenting flatulence.

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<v Speaker 1>Hitler suffered from pretty bad health. This is Giles Milton,

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<v Speaker 1>historian and the author of When Hitler Took Cocaine and

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<v Speaker 1>Lenen Lost his Brain. He had suffered from stomach cramps,

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<v Speaker 1>from diarrhea, from appalling flatulence. I mean this was partly

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps due to the diet that he ate. He he

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<v Speaker 1>only ate these sort of watery vegetables which he had

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<v Speaker 1>purred or mashed, and he ate these virtually every meal.

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<v Speaker 1>Hitler had such bad gas he would often have to

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<v Speaker 1>leave the table, and his dietary problems left him desperate

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<v Speaker 1>for solutions Norman Ohler. Again, Hitler was always looking for

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<v Speaker 1>an orthodox treatments and he did not like his conventional

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<v Speaker 1>doctors that would send him on diets when he was

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<v Speaker 1>complaining of stomach cramps and gas, which was his main

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<v Speaker 1>problem in the In the mid thirties, finally Hitler met

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<v Speaker 1>someone who could help, even if his methods were a

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<v Speaker 1>bit unorthodox. Morel as a celebrity doctor in um Berlin

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<v Speaker 1>in the early thirties, and he was known to treat

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<v Speaker 1>patients for diseases that didn't exist. He was a type

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<v Speaker 1>of doctor Field Good. Morrell was also something of a

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<v Speaker 1>medical pioneer. This was a new approach to medicine and

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<v Speaker 1>he used especially vitamins. In the beginning. He was sure

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<v Speaker 1>that if you inject high dosages of vitamins into the

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<v Speaker 1>blood stream of a person, that that person would have

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<v Speaker 1>more energy and that it would also elevate the mood

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<v Speaker 1>of that person. It's not such a crazy idea when

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<v Speaker 1>we do it still today we take vitamin supplements. But

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<v Speaker 1>I was walking once in l A and I saw

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<v Speaker 1>at a health food store an announcement that they were

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<v Speaker 1>offering injections of vitamin B one. So I guess Morrell

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<v Speaker 1>in a way was an avant garde health doctor or

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<v Speaker 1>fitness doctor. Then in nineteen thirty three, something happened that

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<v Speaker 1>made even Berlin's resident doctor feel good uneasy. Someone smeared

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<v Speaker 1>the word Jew and large letters across the plaque outside

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<v Speaker 1>the doctor's office. Morrell was not a Jew, but in

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<v Speaker 1>the wake of that hate crime, he knew he needed

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<v Speaker 1>to make sure others knew that as well. His response

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<v Speaker 1>was that he joined the Nazi Party to show that

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<v Speaker 1>he was not a Jew, Because the Jews obviously weren't

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<v Speaker 1>allowed to join the Nazi Party, and Morrell came to

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<v Speaker 1>see the Nazis as more than just protection. This reaction

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<v Speaker 1>was not what an appalling racist movement, but his reaction was, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to join them so they don't, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>so I can be part of this, uh, this movement.

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<v Speaker 1>So that was a very opportunist reaction, but it tells

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<v Speaker 1>a lot about Morel and his late approach in life

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<v Speaker 1>towards the Nazis. He basically tried to take advantage of them.

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<v Speaker 1>He was never a real believer in the i theology.

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<v Speaker 1>He was just a believer in power and money and

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<v Speaker 1>even fame. And a few years later an opportunity came

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<v Speaker 1>knocking that would give the social climbing Nazi vitamin peddler

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<v Speaker 1>just the chance he desired. One day in the phone

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<v Speaker 1>rang in Dr Morrell's office. A few hours later, he

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<v Speaker 1>was being flown to Munich for a special vegetarian spaghetti

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<v Speaker 1>dinner with none other than the Fewer himself. After the dinner,

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<v Speaker 1>Hitler admitted to the doctor that his digestion was so

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<v Speaker 1>poor he could barely function. Giles Milton again, and he

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<v Speaker 1>turned to Theodore Morrell because fid Or Morrell claimed that

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<v Speaker 1>he would be able to help him, And help him

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<v Speaker 1>he did, but in the most unorthodox ways. Morrell studied

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<v Speaker 1>Hitler in his diet and his resulting digestion. After Hitler

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<v Speaker 1>down to typical vegetable platter one day, the doctor recorded

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<v Speaker 1>in his diary that quote constipation and colossal flatch once

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<v Speaker 1>occurred on a scale I have seldom encountered before. He

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<v Speaker 1>began by giving the fear these things, these tiny little

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<v Speaker 1>black tablets, and they were they were called Dr Custa's

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<v Speaker 1>anti gas pills, and Hitler was taking sixteen of these

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<v Speaker 1>pills a day. What he didn't realize is that they

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<v Speaker 1>contained small quantities of stricken in, which of course is

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<v Speaker 1>a poisoning. But the treatment did work on the gas front,

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<v Speaker 1>Norman Owler, and it did cure Hitler's um bloating in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen thirty six nenteen thirty seven, and Hitler was so

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<v Speaker 1>impressed by this effect, which was a big effect on

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<v Speaker 1>his daily life, that he appointed Morel as his personal physician.

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<v Speaker 1>Doctor feel good had gone from being a celebrity doctor

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<v Speaker 1>to treating the most powerful man in Europe. And for

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<v Speaker 1>a while everything was great. Then Hitler in fact, did

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<v Speaker 1>not get sick for those first years in Morel's treatment,

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<v Speaker 1>never got the flu or anything, never got a cold

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<v Speaker 1>because he was always ion filled to the brim with

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<v Speaker 1>vitamin C and other vitamins. By the summer of nine,

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<v Speaker 1>a healthy Hitler in Germany had taken much of Europe

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<v Speaker 1>and turned their attention to Russia. At midday on June

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<v Speaker 1>twenty two, the peoples of the U. S. S I

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<v Speaker 1>heard the news that table at war with Germany. Loudspeakers

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<v Speaker 1>in the principal cities carried the voice of Mr. Montov

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<v Speaker 1>announcing that the Nazis were already flinging in the battle

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<v Speaker 1>about a hundred divisions along up front extending arly two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand miles. The invasion of Russia was a critical juncture

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<v Speaker 1>in the war, and Hitler was at odds with his

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<v Speaker 1>generals about the best way to do it. And then

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<v Speaker 1>Hitler fell ill. He had for the first time. He

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<v Speaker 1>was ill since the war started, actually since thirty six

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<v Speaker 1>and since he met Morrel and um. He had a strong,

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<v Speaker 1>very strong flu with high fever, and demanded from Morrel

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<v Speaker 1>that he would give him something that would enable him

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<v Speaker 1>to go into the military briefing room and continue his

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<v Speaker 1>version of the campaign. And so the loyal doctor obliged

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<v Speaker 1>and gave the few of something stronger, a substance that

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<v Speaker 1>would alter Hitler's physiological makeup and ultimately his conduct of

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<v Speaker 1>the war, and with disastrous consequences. Do you have an

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<v Speaker 1>Plus dot Com slash AUSI. When Hitler and the Nazis

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<v Speaker 1>first came to power in three they quickly set out

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<v Speaker 1>to brand themselves as a new type of political party

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<v Speaker 1>from those that had gone before in Germany, one whose

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<v Speaker 1>members were virtuous even in their personal lives Norman Ohler.

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<v Speaker 1>Drugs were quite widely taken in the Baymar republic Um.

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<v Speaker 1>They were not tabu at all. There were laws against it,

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<v Speaker 1>but those laws weren't enforced, so Hitler changed that. Hitler

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<v Speaker 1>proclaimed to be leading an anti drug movement, and an

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<v Speaker 1>important part of that self betrayal was to announce that

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<v Speaker 1>Hitler himself was an abstinent person who did not drink alcohol,

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<v Speaker 1>let alone take any drugs. Hitler also wouldn't drink caffeinated

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<v Speaker 1>coffee or tea because he considered them stimulants. So this

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<v Speaker 1>portrait of the Fura as the pure the pure man,

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<v Speaker 1>was an integral part of the cult around Hitler and

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<v Speaker 1>of the propaganda that the Nazi Party was spinning in

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<v Speaker 1>Germany and also abroad. The Nazis promised clean living and

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<v Speaker 1>a kind of social and ideological intoxication. That the core

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<v Speaker 1>of that portrayal was the notion that the Nazis were

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<v Speaker 1>about purity, They were about cleaning up the mess of

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<v Speaker 1>the Vama Republic, cleaning it from strange influences like the Jewish,

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<v Speaker 1>especially the Jewish influence. And for years Hitler, the teetotaler

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<v Speaker 1>and vegetarian, never drank and hardly ever ate meat. As

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<v Speaker 1>flashback listeners will know, millions of soldiers, especially in America,

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<v Speaker 1>became addicted to cigarettes after World War One. Hitler, as

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<v Speaker 1>the story goes, through his last pack of cigarettes into

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<v Speaker 1>the Danube River after he fought in that war. As

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<v Speaker 1>one of Hitler's supporters marveled about his purity and quote,

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<v Speaker 1>he is all genius and body and gas. It might

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<v Speaker 1>have been added, but thanks to Theodore Morrell's treatments and vitamins,

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<v Speaker 1>even that unfortunate byproduct of his purity went away, and

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<v Speaker 1>Hitler seemed as physiologically invincible as he was politically invincible.

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<v Speaker 1>Then in ninety one, he got the flu on the

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<v Speaker 1>eve of the war with Russia, and right before he

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<v Speaker 1>briefing with his generals, he asked Morrele what else he

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<v Speaker 1>had in his drug cupboard, and Morrell gave him then

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<v Speaker 1>for the first time, an opioid called Dolantina German opioid

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<v Speaker 1>at the time, which cured here. Hitler's flew immediately and

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<v Speaker 1>let him go to the briefing room. From that point on,

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<v Speaker 1>as the war raged on and Hitler encountered more stress

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<v Speaker 1>and exhaustion, Morrell started to add some new ingredients into

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<v Speaker 1>the vitamin mixture he was giving to the fure Giles

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<v Speaker 1>Milton again. He was giving him testosterone, He was giving opiate, sedatives, laxatives, barbiturates, morphine,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you name it. He was pumping the fear

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<v Speaker 1>of full of full of this stuff. Up to eighty

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<v Speaker 1>different drugs a day, so an extraordinary cocktail. As Morrell

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<v Speaker 1>recorded in his notes which were later recovered, he gave

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<v Speaker 1>Hitler more than eight hundred injections during those final years

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<v Speaker 1>of the war Norman Ohler Hitler received one to two

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<v Speaker 1>injections a day, which is an incredib will amount of injections.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if there's any person in the world

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<v Speaker 1>that gets so many injections into the veins of the

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<v Speaker 1>arm each day. Morrell's drug cocktail got even more bizarre

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<v Speaker 1>as Hitler's addiction and needs grew animal hormones, steroids, cocaine, Hitler,

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<v Speaker 1>the icon and purity was now a common drug addict.

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<v Speaker 1>So you can imagine that the once teetotal Hitler towards

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<v Speaker 1>the end of the war was had a very different

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<v Speaker 1>approach to drug taking, and thanks to Morrell's efforts, so

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<v Speaker 1>did rank and file Nazis. Germany was a drug free

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<v Speaker 1>country basically due to the nazis strict anti drug regime,

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<v Speaker 1>until in night a new medicine was allowed to come

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<v Speaker 1>onto the market. It was called pavvy teen because pevyteen

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<v Speaker 1>was pure mathemphetamine. One pill had three milligrams of methemphetamine

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<v Speaker 1>and it became a big hit in Germany. That's right,

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<v Speaker 1>methamphetamine a special brew developed by Dr field Good himself

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<v Speaker 1>for the German public. You could buy at a local pharmacy.

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<v Speaker 1>You didn't even need a prescription, and it wasn't long

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<v Speaker 1>before the troops were taking it to crystal meth is.

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<v Speaker 1>That is actually a very good drug for a fighter

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<v Speaker 1>because it mobilizes um all your strength within a short

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<v Speaker 1>period of time. It was the perfect drug to accompany

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<v Speaker 1>the nazis new method of warfare. All under the world

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<v Speaker 1>learned the meaning of a grim new word, let's cree.

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<v Speaker 1>When Germany attacked France, thirty five million dosages of methamphetamine

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<v Speaker 1>were distributed to the troops, enabling the Germans to perform

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<v Speaker 1>the German soldiers to perform longer than the Allied soldiers.

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<v Speaker 1>In the first hundred hours of the Nazi invasion of France,

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<v Speaker 1>the Germans gained more territory than they had in over

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<v Speaker 1>four years. During World War One, the Allied forces had

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<v Speaker 1>brought a knife to a pharmacological gunfight, which was red

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<v Speaker 1>wine in in the First World, where the French were

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<v Speaker 1>using red and quite successfully boosting down Morrele in the

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<v Speaker 1>in the In World War Two, this didn't work anymore, really,

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<v Speaker 1>because the Germans were on meth, but it didn't take

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<v Speaker 1>long for the rampant substance abuse to catch up with

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<v Speaker 1>the Nazis and their fere The drug filled bubble that

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<v Speaker 1>Theodore Morrell had injected into the veins of World War

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<v Speaker 1>Two was about to burst, and the casualties would be

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<v Speaker 1>in the millions. As the needle marks grew in number

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<v Speaker 1>on Adolph Hitler's arms, so did his bizarre actions. Giles Milton.

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<v Speaker 1>This extraordinary regime of drugs, many of which are are

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<v Speaker 1>classified as illegal these days, led to increasingly erratic behavior

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<v Speaker 1>on the part of the FURA, and there was one

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<v Speaker 1>infamous meeting between Hitler and Mussolini in Italy where Hitler

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<v Speaker 1>really began. He was almost hysterical when he was talking

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<v Speaker 1>to Mussolini, and it seems that he had been taking

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<v Speaker 1>so many hittamines that it was really begin to beginning

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<v Speaker 1>to affect his performance, the way he talked, the way

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<v Speaker 1>he acted. Where Hitler and once relied on adrenaline and

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<v Speaker 1>natural charismatist sway audiences, he now relied on pharmaceuticals for

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<v Speaker 1>his edge. If you watch videos of Hitler's speeches, that

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<v Speaker 1>you get the impression of this kind of almost manic,

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<v Speaker 1>pumped up sort of person. And I think this is

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<v Speaker 1>largely to do with the with the regiment of drugs

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<v Speaker 1>he was on. Soon he stopped doing speeches almost altogether

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<v Speaker 1>and increasingly retreated into his bunker. He was unbalanced, irritable, impulsive,

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<v Speaker 1>and at times delusional. He would go on screaming tirades

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<v Speaker 1>that could last for hours. Of course, this it became

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<v Speaker 1>increasingly complicated because it was taking on more and more

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<v Speaker 1>responsibility for the actual running of the war, much to

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<v Speaker 1>the horror of his senior generals. But certainly by the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the war he was unable to think straight

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<v Speaker 1>at all because he was, you know, so pumped up

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<v Speaker 1>by the drugs he was taking. Norman Ohler, we can

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<v Speaker 1>see for sure that Hitler became more and more inflexible

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<v Speaker 1>in his decision making, his ego was so inflated that

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<v Speaker 1>he never doubted himself. Hitler had actually been quite a

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<v Speaker 1>measured strategic planner during the early days of the war.

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<v Speaker 1>In the beginning from nineteen thirty three to ninety one,

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<v Speaker 1>he basically made no mistakes, no great no big mistakes.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's put it that way. I mean that the attack

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<v Speaker 1>on Poland was of course a big mistake, which led

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<v Speaker 1>to his downfall eventually. But still he won the war

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<v Speaker 1>against Poland, he won the war against France. He won't

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<v Speaker 1>basically the war against everybody in Europe. But his growing

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<v Speaker 1>drug addiction helped change all that. His military decision making

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<v Speaker 1>at a point in the war against the Soviet Union

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<v Speaker 1>was not working anymore. The situation demanded of him a

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<v Speaker 1>flexible mind, but he didn't have a flexible mind. Still,

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<v Speaker 1>with the war dragging on in the Nazi forces losing

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<v Speaker 1>ground and men in nineteen forty four, Hitler remained remarkably

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<v Speaker 1>upbeat during his military briefings. So it beat that his

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<v Speaker 1>own generals assumed he had an atomic bomb or some

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<v Speaker 1>other secret playing up his sleeve that would turn the

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<v Speaker 1>war around. But all Hitler had up his sleeve were

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<v Speaker 1>track marks. The drugs kept him on his road as

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<v Speaker 1>the few who knows everything and who could not fail.

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<v Speaker 1>And and this was the road that led him to

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<v Speaker 1>self destruction and led the whole country of Germany to

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<v Speaker 1>to destruction and final defeat. Hitler's misplaced optimism kept Germany

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<v Speaker 1>in a war that it could not win for months,

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<v Speaker 1>even years, while millions perished throughout everything. Dr Morrell remained

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<v Speaker 1>at Hitler's side himself wouldn't have anything said against Theodore Morrell.

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<v Speaker 1>He thought he was a marvel worker and stayed with

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<v Speaker 1>him to the very end, and in fact, right up

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<v Speaker 1>to the fool of the Third Reich Green. Hitler was

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<v Speaker 1>in his bunker fid m Rrell was at his sides,

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<v Speaker 1>continually pumping in full of drugs. It was Morrell that

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<v Speaker 1>supplied Hitler with the lethal cyanide pills that the dictator

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<v Speaker 1>and Ava Brown would use to kill themselves in that

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<v Speaker 1>famous Berlin bunker. Morrell himself escaped that bunker and was

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<v Speaker 1>eventually tracked down not by Allied forces but by an

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<v Speaker 1>industrious New York Times reporter. Thanks to her story, American

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<v Speaker 1>forces took Morrel prisoner, but the increasingly ill doctor was

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<v Speaker 1>of little use as a witness at Nuremberg and died

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<v Speaker 1>a few years later after the war at age sixty one.

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<v Speaker 1>Theodore Morrell had left his mark on Adolph Hitler's health

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<v Speaker 1>and on world history, helping to prolong a costly and

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<v Speaker 1>deadly war well beyond when it might have otherwise concluded.

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<v Speaker 1>How many lives would have been saved had Hitler's drug

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<v Speaker 1>addiction not reached such dangerous levels, Or might a healthy

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<v Speaker 1>Hitler have made better decisions with the Nazis, have been

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<v Speaker 1>more successful and the war lasted even longer. It's impossible

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<v Speaker 1>to know. But there's one other fascinating wrinkle to this

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<v Speaker 1>story that complicates things even further. Hitler had a pre

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<v Speaker 1>existing condition that, when undiagnosed at the time, one that

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<v Speaker 1>might have made all the difference to his drug induced downfall.

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<v Speaker 1>That's next. Adolph Hitler is hardly the only world leader

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<v Speaker 1>to have ever relied on a loyal doctor to services

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<v Speaker 1>health and diet requirements. In fact, there was another big

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<v Speaker 1>name twentieth century leader who also received regular injections while

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<v Speaker 1>in charge of a major industrial power. There are that

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<v Speaker 1>communism is the wave of the future that damn come

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<v Speaker 1>to Berland. Like Hitler, US President John F. Kennedy suffered

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<v Speaker 1>from a number of ailments that required doctor supervision. Nasier

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<v Speaker 1>Gami is a psychiatrist at Tufts University in Harvard Medical

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<v Speaker 1>School and the author of a First Rate Madness, uncovering

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<v Speaker 1>the links between leadership and mental illness. In the case

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<v Speaker 1>of Kennedy, he was getting um um steroid injections for

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<v Speaker 1>his underlying Addison's disease, which is a adrenal gland um deficiency.

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<v Speaker 1>One White House physician gave Kennedy these injections several times

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<v Speaker 1>per week. But Kennedy, like Hitler, had his own less

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<v Speaker 1>orthodox German doctor Max Jacobson. Jacobson was in a emigre

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<v Speaker 1>from Germany and he had private previously worked in Berlin,

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<v Speaker 1>and there is some possibility that he had actually worked

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<v Speaker 1>with Theodore Morrell and had actually been was a protegee

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<v Speaker 1>fact of Theodore Morrell. Jacobson, like Morrel, was a doctor

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<v Speaker 1>feel good and a physician to celebrities, and perhaps his

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<v Speaker 1>most famous patient was the thirty five President of the

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<v Speaker 1>United States. He gave him intravenous amphetamines as well introvenous aeroids,

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of the same treatments that that Morrell used.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh you know, again, ground up testosterone, things of that nature,

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<v Speaker 1>and then uh, he was giving these to Kennedy in

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<v Speaker 1>the early years of his administration, the first two years

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<v Speaker 1>or so, and again, just like with Hitler, Kennedy's friends

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<v Speaker 1>and advisors and even family were noticing that he was

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<v Speaker 1>acting differently. He was very irritable, impulsive, very hyper sexual.

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<v Speaker 1>But despite the cocktail of drugs he was receiving, Kennedy's

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<v Speaker 1>behavior and health didn't deteriorate the way that Hitler's did.

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<v Speaker 1>Why well, Dr Gami says, the answer to that starts

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<v Speaker 1>with another underappreciated aspect of Hitler's health, his mental illness.

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<v Speaker 1>People who knew Hitler as a young man observes some

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<v Speaker 1>very distinct behavioral traits. So, for instance, you know, they

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<v Speaker 1>would describe that he would have periods of time where

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<v Speaker 1>he would become much less functional, much less interested in things,

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't talk much, would need much, would just stay in

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<v Speaker 1>his room for weeks or months on end um and

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<v Speaker 1>that's kind of a standard definition of a clinical depression.

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<v Speaker 1>And then he would come out of these periods and

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<v Speaker 1>suddenly he'd be very energetic, very active, very talkative, and

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<v Speaker 1>that would last weeks or months and again that's a

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<v Speaker 1>classic definition of manic episodes. And this happened repeatedly, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's what the definition of bipolar illness is. Despite being bipolar,

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<v Speaker 1>says Dr Gami, Hitler was able to function for years

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<v Speaker 1>before nineteen thirty seven. Hitler's mannic and depressive periods were

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<v Speaker 1>on the mild side, and he wasn't treated medically because

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<v Speaker 1>there were no treatments um at the time for depression

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<v Speaker 1>or bipolar illness. But once Theodore Morrell started his injections,

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<v Speaker 1>everything went haywire. A lot of people after the war

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<v Speaker 1>among the West just thought that Hitler was an irrational,

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<v Speaker 1>impulsive person, but by the end of the war, the

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<v Speaker 1>drug fueled fure was not that person. The problem with amphetamines,

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<v Speaker 1>if you have by polar illness, is that it can

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<v Speaker 1>make you manic, and it can. Once you get manic,

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<v Speaker 1>you go up and down and up and down, and

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<v Speaker 1>suddenly you'll be having lots and lots of mood episodes

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<v Speaker 1>caused by the amphetamines. The amphetamines improved the depressive symptoms

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<v Speaker 1>short term, but they were some the depressive and manic

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<v Speaker 1>episodes of given long term. Historians for years have pondered

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<v Speaker 1>whether Hitler suffered from some kind of madness, so did

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<v Speaker 1>his fellow Nazis. People like Himmler and others thought that

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<v Speaker 1>he just got sick, that he just developed a new

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<v Speaker 1>maybe insanity or a new kind of disease. But I

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<v Speaker 1>think in retrospect it's much more likely the correlation is

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<v Speaker 1>with the intravenous amphetamine treatment, that his baseline bipolar illness

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<v Speaker 1>was just made worse. John F. Kennedy did not suffer

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<v Speaker 1>from bipolar illness, and therefore his body responded to the

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<v Speaker 1>amphetamines he was given differently, but he was also the

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<v Speaker 1>beneficiary of a successful intervention. White House doctors tried for

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<v Speaker 1>months to get Kennedy to stop taking advice and injections

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<v Speaker 1>from Max Jacobson, and at first President Kennedy resisted. He

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<v Speaker 1>famously said, I don't care if it's horse piss, it works.

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<v Speaker 1>But the one person that could influence John Kennedy was

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<v Speaker 1>Robert Kennedy, And when Robert Kennedy, the President's brother and

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<v Speaker 1>the Attorney General, came down strongly against Jacobson, he was

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<v Speaker 1>removed from the White House, and the president's other doctors

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<v Speaker 1>were able to step in and prescribe a less harmful

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<v Speaker 1>drug regimen. Adolf Hitler might have been a ticking time

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<v Speaker 1>bomb well before he even met Theodore Morrell, but the

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<v Speaker 1>doctor helped light of fuse that would have devastating consequences.

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<v Speaker 1>It's an extreme example, but one we can still learn

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<v Speaker 1>from Chiles Milton. The lesson is you've got to be

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<v Speaker 1>very careful when you're, you know, messing around experimenting with

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<v Speaker 1>these these drugs. They have powerful side effects and you

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<v Speaker 1>don't always know what they are. And the more powerful

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<v Speaker 1>the person taking the drugs or medication, the more powerful

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<v Speaker 1>and impact those substances can have on the world. So,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, my advice for any of today's CEOs, in

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<v Speaker 1>in Silicon Value or elsewhere, would be to think very

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<v Speaker 1>carefully before you start pumping yourself full of very very

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<v Speaker 1>powerful drugs. Adolf Hitler is one of the most scrutinized

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<v Speaker 1>figures in history, but in this episode we managed to

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<v Speaker 1>extract a few of the more surprising lessons from his life. First,

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<v Speaker 1>in some cases, farting is truly no laughing matter. Second,

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<v Speaker 1>don't believe everything you see in a home movie. Third,

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<v Speaker 1>Adolf Hitler had more track marks than Courtney Love. And finally,

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<v Speaker 1>beware of celebrity doctors pushing vitamin supplements that can change

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<v Speaker 1>your world. Sometimes they can and not for the better.

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<v Speaker 1>Going has Got One Ball, Hitler I So very small,

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<v Speaker 1>him so very similar, and Gobbles Has No Ball. A

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<v Speaker 1>Flashback is written and hosted by me Sean Braswell, senior

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<v Speaker 1>Got One Ball, performed by John Jones. Make sure to

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<v Speaker 1>drugs to Adolf Hitler, as well as other hidden stories

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<v Speaker 1>from history uncovered by me and other reporters at Aussie.

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<v Speaker 1>The song You're hearing is a wartime propaganda song that

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<v Speaker 1>was hugely popular among British troops, and there may be

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<v Speaker 1>some truth to the urban legend that Hitler had only

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<v Speaker 1>one ball. A few years ago, a German historian unearthed

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<v Speaker 1>some of the long lost medical records showing that the

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