WEBVTT - A Personal Conversation with Journalist Jorge Ramos 0:00:03.320 --> 0:00:07.400 Hello everyone, and welcome to this episode of Cheeky's and Chill. 0:00:07.640 --> 0:00:09.800 I hope you all are having a wonderful and very 0:00:09.840 --> 0:00:13.320 productive day. Today's a very special day, very special episode, 0:00:13.360 --> 0:00:16.919 you guys, because I have a very special person that 0:00:17.079 --> 0:00:19.279 is going to be on the Pot today. His name 0:00:19.360 --> 0:00:22.239 is Horg Ramos, and if you don't know who he is, 0:00:22.320 --> 0:00:26.160 you guys, go watch univision. He is a journalist, very 0:00:26.160 --> 0:00:29.400 talented journalist, and an author. He has a new book 0:00:29.440 --> 0:00:32.239 called a sie veo Lascosa, so go check it out, 0:00:32.280 --> 0:00:35.720 you guys. And I'm excited to interview him because he's 0:00:35.760 --> 0:00:39.080 always the one interviewing other people, people like Fidor Gastro, 0:00:39.520 --> 0:00:42.520 Donald Trump, Ugo Chaves and so many more, you guys. 0:00:42.560 --> 0:00:50.040 So I'm excited to introduce mister Ramos. Everyone, round of applause, please, Jorge, 0:00:50.280 --> 0:00:53.080 thank you so much for being on. I am so honored, 0:00:53.080 --> 0:00:55.560 you guys. You have no idea. This is royalty, you guys. 0:00:55.960 --> 0:01:01.880 I am a huge. 0:00:59.360 --> 0:01:02.200 Is spoken in the past and we spend a couple 0:01:02.200 --> 0:01:04.399 of hours getting to know each other. It was it 0:01:04.520 --> 0:01:07.360 was a great interview, so of course it is my honor. 0:01:07.480 --> 0:01:08.120 Oh, thank you. 0:01:08.200 --> 0:01:10.520 So you're not supposed to be here. You're supposed to 0:01:10.560 --> 0:01:11.800 be in honeymoon, not here. 0:01:11.920 --> 0:01:14.760 I know, right, that's what they told me. I know, 0:01:15.040 --> 0:01:16.840 you know what, Thank goodness, I have a lot of 0:01:16.840 --> 0:01:18.440 work right now. So I'm like, okay, I'm going to 0:01:18.520 --> 0:01:20.080 work and then we're going to take our honeymoon at 0:01:20.080 --> 0:01:20.720 the end of the year. 0:01:21.040 --> 0:01:23.920 That's great. Bad, But I think this is the best example, 0:01:24.000 --> 0:01:28.320 the perfect example on what happens behind the cameras. No 0:01:28.720 --> 0:01:31.080 people think that that you have and that we have 0:01:31.440 --> 0:01:34.800 such a privileged life, and we do in many many ways. 0:01:34.880 --> 0:01:37.720 But on the other hand, I think we work hard 0:01:37.760 --> 0:01:40.000 to have what we have. 0:01:40.880 --> 0:01:43.600 Absolutely to say, you know what, we have to sometimes 0:01:43.680 --> 0:01:46.959 put certain things first or work first, and you know, 0:01:47.040 --> 0:01:49.320 pleasure later. And I'm okay with it because I'm like, 0:01:49.360 --> 0:01:51.640 you know what, we have work, I should be grateful 0:01:51.880 --> 0:01:54.000 and that's it. So the good thing is him and 0:01:54.040 --> 0:01:56.520 I my husband. Now, oh my god, that's so weird 0:01:56.520 --> 0:01:59.800 to say that my husband, now that we're on the 0:01:59.840 --> 0:02:02.880 same page. But yes, you did. You did come actually 0:02:02.920 --> 0:02:04.680 to my home, and I'm going to tell you guys 0:02:04.720 --> 0:02:06.920 here on the podcast. I don't I decided when I 0:02:07.000 --> 0:02:09.799 moved to this home, I wasn't going to let certain. 0:02:09.919 --> 0:02:11.720 I just wanted to protect my home a little bit more. 0:02:11.760 --> 0:02:14.680 But when they told me that Ramos wanted to interview me, 0:02:14.840 --> 0:02:18.320 I said absolutely, he saw my closet, he was here. 0:02:18.560 --> 0:02:21.200 I was so happy. Yes, it was a beautiful interview. 0:02:21.320 --> 0:02:23.679 So so yes, we have spoken before, and I think 0:02:23.720 --> 0:02:26.160 that's when you know, I've seen you on television and 0:02:26.200 --> 0:02:28.600 I know a lot about you and I admire what 0:02:28.639 --> 0:02:31.280 you do, but then getting to know you as as 0:02:31.320 --> 0:02:34.440 a human being, it was so wonderful. So that's why. 0:02:34.680 --> 0:02:36.160 And you know I wanted to talk to you because 0:02:36.200 --> 0:02:37.639 I know you have a new book out. You said, 0:02:37.680 --> 0:02:40.520 Ya'm a asciveo lascosas, and I want to start off 0:02:40.560 --> 0:02:42.160 with that. I want to before we get into like 0:02:42.200 --> 0:02:44.640 other little details. I know you're short on time, tell 0:02:44.639 --> 0:02:45.920 me more about the book. 0:02:46.400 --> 0:02:49.960 Well, you know, I've been doing the newscasts for more 0:02:50.000 --> 0:02:52.280 than thirty years and not to share on every sion 0:02:52.760 --> 0:02:56.760 and I have the Sunday Morning political show and doing 0:02:56.840 --> 0:03:00.320 other things Albo Personnel, which we spent more than a 0:03:00.400 --> 0:03:04.400 hour're talking. But what happens is that when I'm doing 0:03:04.440 --> 0:03:06.720 the news, or when I'm covering a war, or when 0:03:06.720 --> 0:03:09.880 I'm covering a hurricane or an accident. I'm not supposed 0:03:09.919 --> 0:03:12.320 to cry, and I'm not supposed just to give my opinion, 0:03:12.919 --> 0:03:15.280 but just report the news. I mean, report the news, 0:03:15.600 --> 0:03:17.720 report reality as it is, not as I wish it 0:03:17.760 --> 0:03:23.160 would be. But then once everything's done, and then you 0:03:23.240 --> 0:03:26.680 go home or you go to the hotel, there's so 0:03:26.800 --> 0:03:31.080 many things that you haven't said how you felt. And 0:03:31.160 --> 0:03:35.200 then that's what writing is for me. Every week. I've 0:03:35.240 --> 0:03:38.400 been writing a column every week for more than thirty years, 0:03:38.880 --> 0:03:41.960 and in those columns, I get to tell my part 0:03:42.320 --> 0:03:45.480 what I see, how I feel. For instance, I remember 0:03:45.560 --> 0:03:49.600 that when I was covering the war in Afghanistan, I 0:03:49.640 --> 0:03:53.480 did something incredibly stupid. I asked for vacations and I 0:03:53.520 --> 0:03:55.400 went all the way to Pakistan and then crossed the 0:03:55.400 --> 0:03:58.440 border to Afghanistan. I had to go to where Osama 0:03:58.440 --> 0:04:00.480 bin Laden was supposed to be hiding in the mountains 0:04:00.480 --> 0:04:03.480 of Toraborda. And I was in a car with three 0:04:04.360 --> 0:04:07.080 members of a gorilla that were protecting the area, and 0:04:07.160 --> 0:04:09.640 one of them, I think was seventeen or nineteen year old, 0:04:10.040 --> 0:04:12.960 he pointed his gun at me and he said, I 0:04:13.000 --> 0:04:15.520 am a follower of Osama. I thought I was going 0:04:15.600 --> 0:04:18.360 to die. Honestly, I had no idea what to do, 0:04:18.640 --> 0:04:22.760 so I remember having a few one dollar bills in 0:04:22.760 --> 0:04:26.120 my pocket. I gave him the money and I told him, 0:04:26.279 --> 0:04:28.039 if you take care of me, I'll take care of you. 0:04:28.320 --> 0:04:31.279 He understood what I meant, and then when we arrived 0:04:31.279 --> 0:04:33.600 at the hotel, he just pushed me with his gun, 0:04:33.880 --> 0:04:35.800 with his rifle as a matter of fact, and then 0:04:35.839 --> 0:04:37.839 he let me go. So my life at that point 0:04:38.080 --> 0:04:41.320 was worth only fifteen dollars. And that's the kind of 0:04:41.320 --> 0:04:43.600 stories that I'm telling here in the book. Is not 0:04:43.640 --> 0:04:46.159 something that I was able to tell the people. Is 0:04:46.200 --> 0:04:49.040 not something that I reported on TV, because it was 0:04:49.080 --> 0:04:51.400 not my role just to say, oh, I was about 0:04:51.400 --> 0:04:54.760 to die. Now. The important story was what the war 0:04:54.880 --> 0:04:57.320 in Afghanistan and that's it. But on the other hand, 0:04:57.520 --> 0:04:59.640 we have very personal stories to tell. I'm sure you 0:04:59.680 --> 0:05:03.000 have your stories to tell right before and after the concerts. 0:05:03.279 --> 0:05:06.080 Yeah. From what I know about you, you're very a 0:05:06.240 --> 0:05:10.560 very private person with your private life. And it's like, yeah, 0:05:10.640 --> 0:05:12.839 you know, I mean Muscle Mentos. You know what it 0:05:12.880 --> 0:05:15.640 is with me is I don't know, but you know, 0:05:15.839 --> 0:05:19.840 this is not about me, this is about you. But 0:05:19.839 --> 0:05:22.600 but you know what I can respect that. I sometimes 0:05:22.640 --> 0:05:24.560 wish I was a little bit more private. But what 0:05:24.640 --> 0:05:28.039 I love about this book in particular, is that people 0:05:28.080 --> 0:05:32.279 are going to get to know you, you know, the person 0:05:32.440 --> 0:05:35.320 behind you know, the person that we see on television, 0:05:35.320 --> 0:05:37.760 which is what I got the honor of meeting you 0:05:37.800 --> 0:05:40.560 on a different level. And it just really just makes 0:05:40.560 --> 0:05:42.479 you feel closer to the person, I guess, and I 0:05:42.520 --> 0:05:44.400 think that that's what I love about this book, and 0:05:44.440 --> 0:05:46.520 I'm glad you wrote it. I definitely want to read 0:05:46.520 --> 0:05:49.120 it because I'm that type of person. I want to 0:05:49.200 --> 0:05:52.120 know what are they really like? What is his favorite color? 0:05:52.600 --> 0:05:54.599 What side of the bed does he sleep on? What's 0:05:54.600 --> 0:05:56.520 his favorite food? You know what I mean, Just things 0:05:56.560 --> 0:05:58.960 like that, you know. But I think it's amazing, and 0:05:59.000 --> 0:06:01.039 I congratulate you for this for this book. How many 0:06:01.320 --> 0:06:02.320 books have you written? 0:06:02.760 --> 0:06:07.960 This is number fourteen? I think, yeah, but no, but 0:06:08.720 --> 0:06:11.440 it's like music for you, it is writing for me. 0:06:12.040 --> 0:06:14.840 It's something that I have to do. If I don't 0:06:14.839 --> 0:06:17.920 do it, I would explode internally. I need to do 0:06:18.000 --> 0:06:21.400 something just to make sure that I can relieve the 0:06:21.480 --> 0:06:25.320 stress and make sure that I have a completely mentally 0:06:25.360 --> 0:06:28.520 healthy life. That's important and that's what writing is for me. 0:06:28.600 --> 0:06:30.279 I'm sure that's what music is for you. 0:06:30.760 --> 0:06:32.919 It's like an outlet. I always say music is like 0:06:32.960 --> 0:06:35.080 a therapy. So I think writing for you is like, 0:06:35.160 --> 0:06:37.400 this is my form of releasing. 0:06:38.480 --> 0:06:43.160 Just imagine what life would be for you, life without music, 0:06:43.200 --> 0:06:43.760 for instance. 0:06:44.760 --> 0:06:46.400 Oh yeah, oh no. 0:06:46.839 --> 0:06:49.600 It's impossible. It's simply impossible. 0:06:49.960 --> 0:06:50.640 So it is. 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:52.960 You know, one of the stories that I tell in 0:06:53.040 --> 0:06:56.400 the book, when my father died, I was about twenty 0:06:56.480 --> 0:06:59.159 years ago. I was about to go on there to 0:06:59.200 --> 0:07:02.279 do the newscast, and then I remember my mom calling 0:07:02.360 --> 0:07:05.440 me and telling me, you know, your dad couldn't make it. 0:07:05.839 --> 0:07:08.200 And you know what I did is something incredibly stupid. 0:07:08.440 --> 0:07:11.880 I told the news director, I'm fine, I'm fine, I 0:07:11.920 --> 0:07:15.800 can do the newscast. Let me do it. Fortunately Chikis 0:07:16.560 --> 0:07:19.080 she said, no, you're not going to do that. You 0:07:19.120 --> 0:07:22.600 go home, buy the ticket, go to Mexico City. But 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:24.720 I wanted to do the news. I just I just 0:07:24.800 --> 0:07:29.600 didn't want to accept reality. And you know, sometimes when 0:07:29.680 --> 0:07:32.600 we go through things like this, we reacting in very 0:07:32.680 --> 0:07:37.720 rational ways. I guess, without writing, without being able to 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:41.560 express my feelings in a book, in this case, on 0:07:42.160 --> 0:07:44.760 a screen in a computer, it would be very difficult 0:07:44.800 --> 0:07:45.640 for me to do my job. 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:49.520 Yeah, no, absolutely. And going to that, I was going 0:07:49.600 --> 0:07:52.720 to ask you, does it feel awkward for you being 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:57.080 interviewed because you're so used to interviewing people. Does it 0:07:57.080 --> 0:07:58.360 feel does it feel different? 0:07:58.920 --> 0:08:03.280 You know? It is difficult now because here's the power shifting. 0:08:03.600 --> 0:08:06.760 When I was when I was asking the questions a 0:08:06.800 --> 0:08:09.160 few months ago, when I when I met you, I 0:08:09.240 --> 0:08:12.160 was in control. Right, I'm the one asking the questions, 0:08:12.600 --> 0:08:17.640 and somehow I can direct the conversation towards whatever I'm 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:21.120 interested in. In this case, it's you. You're in control. 0:08:21.240 --> 0:08:24.320 And something something funny happened to me before the interview. 0:08:24.480 --> 0:08:28.160 I was doing my homework, just checking the latest social 0:08:28.240 --> 0:08:30.840 media on you and the video and everything, and I 0:08:30.920 --> 0:08:33.400 was thinking the opposite way. I was thinking, what am 0:08:33.480 --> 0:08:36.560 I going to ask? Cheekies? And then I realized, no, no, no, 0:08:37.360 --> 0:08:39.800 you cannot ask him about the ask her about the wedding, 0:08:39.920 --> 0:08:45.800 or ask her about like Astralia. No, no, no, you 0:08:45.880 --> 0:08:49.199 have to behave and then answer the questions. Yes, it's 0:08:49.200 --> 0:08:54.480 a matter of power. Somehow asking the question puts you 0:08:54.520 --> 0:08:58.960 in a position of power. There's an Italian writer Rina Falacci. 0:08:59.040 --> 0:09:01.800 She died a few years ago, and she she used 0:09:01.840 --> 0:09:06.200 to say that sometimes the interviews become war, and sometimes 0:09:06.200 --> 0:09:09.920 the interviewer wins, and sometimes the interviewee wins. And I'm 0:09:09.920 --> 0:09:12.160 sure it happens to you all the time. I'm sure 0:09:12.200 --> 0:09:16.640 you have. You have had pretty aggressive interviews. And then 0:09:16.679 --> 0:09:19.440 you come out and you say, I did it. I 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:22.240 answer exactly what I wanted, and I want that interview, 0:09:22.280 --> 0:09:26.760 and sometimes you exactly and sometimes it's the opposite. Sometimes 0:09:26.960 --> 0:09:30.400 you feel vulnerable and then you say, can I cannot 0:09:30.440 --> 0:09:35.760 be haste to parget exactly. So in every interview it happens. 0:09:35.920 --> 0:09:39.920 There are questions that that you do not ask, and 0:09:40.000 --> 0:09:43.600 sometimes when you are on the other side, there are 0:09:43.720 --> 0:09:46.120 answers that you go home and say, I wish I 0:09:46.160 --> 0:09:46.760 could have said that. 0:09:47.440 --> 0:09:51.800 Absolutely happens to me a lot. Actually it does. It does. 0:09:52.280 --> 0:09:56.000 Those who who win the interviews with me, they're the 0:09:56.080 --> 0:09:58.200 ones who have a message, and it doesn't matter what 0:09:58.280 --> 0:10:02.120 you do. They a message and they have a complete 0:10:02.160 --> 0:10:06.000 control of their own narrative. In other words, just what 0:10:06.040 --> 0:10:08.760 you did with me, you told me your story, and 0:10:08.800 --> 0:10:11.480 you were in complete control of your narrative. You knew 0:10:11.559 --> 0:10:13.640 exactly what you wanted to say, you had a message 0:10:13.679 --> 0:10:16.080 and it came across. But if you were not prepared 0:10:16.400 --> 0:10:20.160 with that message, with that story, your own personal story, 0:10:21.520 --> 0:10:23.320 that's the moment when the interviews go wrong. 0:10:23.720 --> 0:10:26.600 I agree, And that's what changed for me if you 0:10:26.600 --> 0:10:28.720 would have asked me this, I don't know ten years ago. 0:10:29.679 --> 0:10:32.040 In the interviews, I felt very vulnerable. I felt like, 0:10:32.080 --> 0:10:35.079 oh my gosh, there, very scared. And until I found 0:10:35.080 --> 0:10:39.120 my purpose and I realized, Okay, I have control. I 0:10:39.200 --> 0:10:40.959 know what I'm talking about, I know what I want 0:10:41.000 --> 0:10:42.440 to say, I know what I want to share, I 0:10:42.480 --> 0:10:45.040 know what I don't want to share. It changed completely 0:10:45.080 --> 0:10:47.720 for me. And that just happened recently. I think maybe 0:10:47.760 --> 0:10:50.800 a little bit before you interviewed me, where this new 0:10:50.840 --> 0:10:55.960 found I was Joe, take it or leave it, and 0:10:56.000 --> 0:10:57.600 it just completely changed for me. 0:10:57.760 --> 0:11:00.520 And that's so important. Yeah, you have to own your 0:11:00.520 --> 0:11:05.200 own story, yes you. I mean, I've seen stories go 0:11:05.320 --> 0:11:08.800 completely wrong when when the artists or the writer, or 0:11:08.840 --> 0:11:15.880 the journalists or the politician allows others to dictate their story. 0:11:16.040 --> 0:11:18.600 But when you own your own story, even if it's difficult, 0:11:18.679 --> 0:11:22.439 because we all have vulnerabilities and we all have weaknesses, 0:11:22.520 --> 0:11:25.440 and even if it's difficult, but you own your own story, 0:11:25.960 --> 0:11:29.880 and when you're in control, then that's a completely different story. 0:11:33.559 --> 0:11:35.160 No, but I did want to ask you, how did 0:11:35.200 --> 0:11:37.640 you get into this field? What is it? Is it 0:11:37.720 --> 0:11:41.040 something since you were young? Is it like? When did 0:11:41.080 --> 0:11:44.640 this like love or passion grow in you. 0:11:45.280 --> 0:11:49.160 I grew up in a house with tres armanos in Normana, 0:11:49.840 --> 0:11:54.199 and many times it was very difficult. I remember my 0:11:54.679 --> 0:11:57.840 friends going on vacation and we stayed home most of 0:11:57.880 --> 0:11:59.920 the time. And I don't think chick is that. I 0:12:00.640 --> 0:12:03.040 that I traveled on a plane until I was probably 0:12:03.040 --> 0:12:07.800 eleven or twelve, So my world was incredibly limited. And 0:12:07.840 --> 0:12:10.000 I remember I'm sixty six right now. So I grew 0:12:10.080 --> 0:12:13.160 up in a Mexico that was not a democracy. It 0:12:13.320 --> 0:12:17.560 was really authoritarian, very repressive, and I wanted to be 0:12:17.600 --> 0:12:20.679 a journalist, and I just didn't want to be a 0:12:20.679 --> 0:12:25.120 sensor journalist in Mexico. I remember I had a small car, 0:12:25.200 --> 0:12:29.480 Lumbo Chito, a Volkswagen, and I sold it for just 0:12:29.559 --> 0:12:31.640 a few hundred dollars, and with that money, I came 0:12:31.679 --> 0:12:34.320 to the United States as a student. Fortunately, as a student, 0:12:35.400 --> 0:12:38.280 I studied for about a year and then I started 0:12:38.280 --> 0:12:43.000 working with Univision in Los Angeles, Canalter in the Couadron 0:12:43.360 --> 0:12:46.520 in Los Angeles. And then when I realized that as 0:12:46.600 --> 0:12:50.720 a journalist, I didn't have the opportunity like many actors 0:12:50.760 --> 0:12:54.600 and actresses have to live many lives through your roles. 0:12:54.840 --> 0:12:57.040 But I was able as a journalist to live one 0:12:57.520 --> 0:13:00.520 very intense life ass a journalist. And that's when I 0:13:00.559 --> 0:13:02.679 loved it. When I realized that I could get to 0:13:02.720 --> 0:13:06.600 know the people that that changed the world and being 0:13:06.720 --> 0:13:10.080 the cases where history is being made. Gabriel Garcia Marquez 0:13:10.120 --> 0:13:14.600 the ciak pus Mundo, and I think he was absolutely right, 0:13:15.000 --> 0:13:18.800 because I have been able for the last four years 0:13:18.880 --> 0:13:22.160 just to be whatever history is being made and getting 0:13:22.240 --> 0:13:25.400 to know people that you might like or not, but 0:13:25.640 --> 0:13:28.360 that are actually making history. So I got to know 0:13:29.559 --> 0:13:32.640 what Chavis in Venezuela and Nicolas Maduro. I was arrested 0:13:32.640 --> 0:13:36.120 in the Palace in Venezuela just for asking questions. I 0:13:36.120 --> 0:13:39.320 can remember I confronted Donald Trump in a few years 0:13:39.320 --> 0:13:42.240 ago when he said that Mexican immigrants were criminals and rapists, 0:13:42.280 --> 0:13:44.480 and I wanted to tell him to his face that 0:13:44.559 --> 0:13:46.200 he was lying, that that that is not true, that 0:13:46.200 --> 0:13:48.800 I'm a Mexican immigrant and that we're not like that. 0:13:49.120 --> 0:13:52.800 So it happened with him, and I talked to Joe 0:13:52.800 --> 0:13:56.320 Biden and to other presidents. You don't have to like them, 0:13:56.920 --> 0:13:59.679 but you get to know them. And that's that's why 0:13:59.679 --> 0:14:00.520 i've journalism. 0:14:01.000 --> 0:14:05.080 Yeah no, and you're great, absolutely amazing at it, because 0:14:05.120 --> 0:14:07.880 that's one of the things that I admire, that you 0:14:07.920 --> 0:14:12.480 speak your truth, you speak your mind, you speak with facts. 0:14:12.520 --> 0:14:19.360 And Keevisto and I'm just like, dude, he has and 0:14:19.400 --> 0:14:21.840 I'm not going to say it because it's but you 0:14:21.840 --> 0:14:23.480 you know what I'm talking about. He has some. 0:14:25.760 --> 0:14:29.240 You know, you said something about facts. And nowadays in 0:14:29.280 --> 0:14:33.160 social media, it's so easy just to get lost because 0:14:33.960 --> 0:14:36.080 you use your phone and then you have no idea 0:14:36.160 --> 0:14:39.000 if what you're reading is the truth or not. And 0:14:39.040 --> 0:14:42.680 we as journalists, I think we have our strength, our 0:14:42.760 --> 0:14:46.480 power comes from from facts. And I remember, I tell 0:14:46.480 --> 0:14:50.200 the story in the book, but I went to five Manianetas. 0:14:50.680 --> 0:14:54.080 Now Las Manianetas in Mexico City are the press conferences 0:14:54.080 --> 0:14:57.320 by by the president and there is Manuel Pez and 0:14:57.400 --> 0:14:59.880 they call it Las Maniana simply because he does it 0:14:59.600 --> 0:15:03.440 that seven in the morning. Just imagine waking up every 0:15:03.520 --> 0:15:06.400 day for five years just to have a press conference. 0:15:06.640 --> 0:15:09.000 And I remember going to La Maa Nanetta once with 0:15:09.600 --> 0:15:13.600 the President of Mexico and telling him that his government 0:15:13.720 --> 0:15:16.240 was incredibly violent. More than one hundred and seventy thousand 0:15:16.280 --> 0:15:18.800 people have been killed for the last five years. And 0:15:18.840 --> 0:15:21.720 I was telling him, these are the facts. Said no, no, no, 0:15:21.720 --> 0:15:24.040 you can go to rosatos. I have other facts. Said no, 0:15:24.160 --> 0:15:26.920 mister president, you cannot have other facts. These facts I 0:15:26.960 --> 0:15:30.200 got them from your own government and stear. He was 0:15:30.200 --> 0:15:32.640 saying no, no, no, I have other facts and said no, 0:15:32.720 --> 0:15:37.840 that is not possible. No, no, senor, no, it positively. 0:15:38.200 --> 0:15:41.000 And then he got famous for using that trade day 0:15:41.080 --> 0:15:44.240 ten go rosatos, which is beautiful because when somebody tells 0:15:44.280 --> 0:15:46.120 you this is the truth and you said no, no, you 0:15:46.200 --> 0:15:48.880 can go rosatos. There's really nothing. 0:15:49.160 --> 0:15:52.680 Yeah, and we'll talking about that. Does in facts. I 0:15:52.720 --> 0:15:54.600 have a question, a little bit of a personal question, 0:15:54.840 --> 0:15:58.280 and it is something that you've talked about, but I 0:15:58.320 --> 0:16:01.080 kind of want to know a little bit what exactly 0:16:01.120 --> 0:16:04.920 does agnostic mean? Because I know what atheists mean, but 0:16:05.000 --> 0:16:06.000 what is agnostic. 0:16:06.600 --> 0:16:09.040 I'm glad that you asked me about that. I grew 0:16:09.080 --> 0:16:13.160 up in a Catholic family in a Catholic country, and 0:16:13.200 --> 0:16:15.640 I went to Catholic school when I was very young, 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:19.480 elevel for elementary school and for middle school. But then 0:16:19.640 --> 0:16:24.080 the priests in this school they were really abusive with us, 0:16:24.080 --> 0:16:27.840 physically abusive. They would hit us in the hands, they 0:16:27.880 --> 0:16:30.960 would hit us in the body, and they would instill 0:16:31.040 --> 0:16:35.520 this fear of hell constantly. I mean, if we were 0:16:35.600 --> 0:16:40.560 to sin or lie or misbehave, they would they would 0:16:40.600 --> 0:16:44.080 tell us, kids, children, You're going to go to hell. 0:16:44.560 --> 0:16:49.360 So I grew up with this really horrible idea about 0:16:49.400 --> 0:16:54.200 religion and what religion meant, okay, And so what happened 0:16:54.440 --> 0:16:57.480 is that since I was very very young, I was 0:16:57.640 --> 0:17:02.040 very dissillusioned with official legion and I lost my faith. 0:17:02.320 --> 0:17:04.600 I lost my faith. To you, I'm sure you believe 0:17:04.640 --> 0:17:07.679 that when you die, you might go to heaven and 0:17:07.720 --> 0:17:09.919 meet again all the people that that you lost and 0:17:09.960 --> 0:17:15.000 that we lost. But I don't have that confidence. I 0:17:15.040 --> 0:17:17.359 don't have that trust that it is going to happen. 0:17:17.680 --> 0:17:21.480 So I'm not atheist. In other words, I cannot say 0:17:21.520 --> 0:17:25.480 that God doesn't exist. But I am agnostic, which means 0:17:25.840 --> 0:17:29.440 that I don't know. Okay, It is simply the lack 0:17:29.480 --> 0:17:34.120 of knowledge, and I, you know, I it would be 0:17:34.119 --> 0:17:36.840 beautiful for me to believe that that something is going 0:17:36.920 --> 0:17:39.480 to happen after I die, and that I'm going to 0:17:39.520 --> 0:17:42.200 meet my brother that I lost about a year ago, 0:17:42.280 --> 0:17:46.560 and my dad in Mihatalola, in my peral soonset, and 0:17:46.600 --> 0:17:49.520 that life is going to be eternal and beautiful. But 0:17:49.640 --> 0:17:52.919 I don't have that trust. I don't I don't have 0:17:53.000 --> 0:17:56.760 that faith. What do you believe when you die? What happens? 0:17:57.200 --> 0:18:00.760 I have a similar story to you. I respect religions, 0:18:00.800 --> 0:18:04.320 but for me, organized religion isn't my cup of tea. 0:18:04.320 --> 0:18:06.800 It's not for me because I was raised in a 0:18:06.960 --> 0:18:11.480 very Christian home and went to church Wednesday's, Fridays and Sundays. 0:18:11.560 --> 0:18:13.880 So I was in church a lot and a lot 0:18:13.880 --> 0:18:17.280 of things happen in that church can may and I 0:18:17.400 --> 0:18:20.800 was just very like the sea, and it just changed 0:18:20.800 --> 0:18:22.680 for me. But I am I do believe in a 0:18:22.760 --> 0:18:26.119 higher power. I believe in there's something bigger and greater 0:18:26.160 --> 0:18:28.000 than I am, so I bow to it, and I 0:18:28.080 --> 0:18:29.639 just I don't know what it is. I don't know 0:18:29.640 --> 0:18:31.960 if it's a female energy or male energy. I just 0:18:32.000 --> 0:18:34.680 know it's something more. So I consider myself a woman 0:18:34.760 --> 0:18:39.639 of faith. Mass is spiritual, so the leon and you know, 0:18:39.680 --> 0:18:41.640 I get that, but you know, I just I wanted 0:18:41.680 --> 0:18:43.080 to ask because I really did not know. 0:18:43.680 --> 0:18:46.840 That's beautiful to have faith. I wish I could have 0:18:46.880 --> 0:18:50.840 your faith. I mean, I honestly wish I could wake 0:18:50.960 --> 0:18:55.199 up and believe that that things happen for a reason, 0:18:55.720 --> 0:18:59.240 that there's a superior power and that he or she 0:18:59.359 --> 0:19:03.800 is directing our lives in certain ways, that there's a destiny. 0:19:04.080 --> 0:19:07.520 But I simply don't believe in that. So I have 0:19:07.600 --> 0:19:11.639 to use my own, my own facts and be true 0:19:11.680 --> 0:19:15.359 to myself. When I've been doing these readings all around 0:19:15.359 --> 0:19:19.320 the country in Mexico, and I always say, thank you 0:19:19.359 --> 0:19:22.520 so much for trying to save my soul. There's this 0:19:22.680 --> 0:19:27.320 collective effort to save my soul, and I really appreciate it. 0:19:27.359 --> 0:19:30.840 When when people pray for you, it's incredibly powerful and 0:19:30.880 --> 0:19:34.679 I absolutely really really appreciate it. But I and I 0:19:34.720 --> 0:19:36.040 respect that it doesn't happen. 0:19:36.240 --> 0:19:39.439 Yeah, no, you're I think it's beautiful that you're honest, 0:19:39.480 --> 0:19:42.520 that you are. This is who I am, and I 0:19:42.560 --> 0:19:44.600 respect it, you know what I mean? And I get 0:19:44.600 --> 0:19:47.480 it because you're a very man of facts, and it's 0:19:47.520 --> 0:19:49.320 kind of like see it to believe it sort of thing. 0:19:49.359 --> 0:19:52.560 Maybe I don't know verty while so that I think 0:19:52.600 --> 0:19:53.600 you're wonderful. 0:19:53.480 --> 0:19:57.639 Atheist and agnostic atheists, they can they can tell you know, 0:19:57.920 --> 0:20:00.560 God does not exist. I'm not there. I cannot, I 0:20:00.600 --> 0:20:03.560 cannot say that. I'm just still simply telling you I 0:20:03.600 --> 0:20:03.919 don't know. 0:20:09.280 --> 0:20:14.200 So now that I'm married, misters in your second gratulations, grass, yes, 0:20:14.480 --> 0:20:16.880 it's the you have been married for how long? 0:20:17.520 --> 0:20:21.040 How long I've been with with with Cheeky. 0:20:20.840 --> 0:20:23.520 With cheeky who I love? She's so beautiful, you guys, 0:20:23.520 --> 0:20:26.320 if you don't know who cheeky, She's amazing and only 0:20:26.320 --> 0:20:29.520 physically Dane Linda. Every time I've seen her, she's been 0:20:29.560 --> 0:20:30.360 so sweet. 0:20:30.080 --> 0:20:33.920 So and it's funny because some people call her Cheeky's. 0:20:33.680 --> 0:20:36.560 No, yeah, and they call me cheeky sometimes. 0:20:36.880 --> 0:20:41.360 Yeah. It's Maria chi Yallo. We've been together for fourteen 0:20:41.440 --> 0:20:44.199 years now and some you know, something beautiful that that 0:20:44.320 --> 0:20:47.480 happened is that when I met her, I already had 0:20:47.800 --> 0:20:51.080 Nicolas who's twenty six, and Paula who's thirty seven already 0:20:51.240 --> 0:20:55.960 and Cheeky has Marie Lena and Carolota, who's fourteen right now. 0:20:56.320 --> 0:21:01.400 So what we did was this incredible expressment of bringing 0:21:01.520 --> 0:21:05.560 together two different families, and that has been the most 0:21:05.640 --> 0:21:09.880 beautiful experience of my whole life. And now because Carota 0:21:09.960 --> 0:21:14.880 she's fourteen, I'm a swift tea of course, and we've been, 0:21:15.280 --> 0:21:18.760 we've been twice to see Taylor Swift and she's coming 0:21:18.800 --> 0:21:21.879 to She's coming to Miami in a couple of months, 0:21:21.920 --> 0:21:23.639 so I'm going to be there dancing again. 0:21:23.720 --> 0:21:26.239 My gosh, I love it. I'm a swifty too, by 0:21:26.240 --> 0:21:26.720 the way. 0:21:27.320 --> 0:21:29.960 Yeah, I think she's just fantastic. I mean, I'm sure 0:21:30.000 --> 0:21:32.240