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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome to this episode of Cheeky's and Chill.

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Speaker 1: I hope you all are having a wonderful and very

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Speaker 1: productive day. Today's a very special day, very special episode,

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Speaker 1: you guys, because I have a very special person that

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Speaker 1: is going to be on the Pot today. His name

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Speaker 1: is Horg Ramos, and if you don't know who he is,

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Speaker 1: you guys, go watch univision. He is a journalist, very

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Speaker 1: talented journalist, and an author. He has a new book

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Speaker 1: called a sie veo Lascosa, so go check it out,

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Speaker 1: you guys. And I'm excited to interview him because he's

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Speaker 1: always the one interviewing other people, people like Fidor Gastro,

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump, Ugo Chaves and so many more, you guys.

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Speaker 1: So I'm excited to introduce mister Ramos. Everyone, round of applause, please, Jorge,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for being on. I am so honored,

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Speaker 1: you guys. You have no idea. This is royalty, you guys.

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Speaker 1: I am a huge.

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Speaker 2: Is spoken in the past and we spend a couple

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Speaker 2: of hours getting to know each other. It was it

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Speaker 2: was a great interview, so of course it is my honor.

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Speaker 1: Oh, thank you.

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Speaker 2: So you're not supposed to be here. You're supposed to

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Speaker 2: be in honeymoon, not here.

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Speaker 1: I know, right, that's what they told me. I know,

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Speaker 1: you know what, Thank goodness, I have a lot of

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Speaker 1: work right now. So I'm like, okay, I'm going to

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Speaker 1: work and then we're going to take our honeymoon at

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Speaker 2: That's great. Bad, But I think this is the best example,

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Speaker 2: the perfect example on what happens behind the cameras. No

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Speaker 2: people think that that you have and that we have

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Speaker 2: such a privileged life, and we do in many many ways.

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Speaker 2: But on the other hand, I think we work hard

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Speaker 2: to have what we have.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely to say, you know what, we have to sometimes

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Speaker 1: put certain things first or work first, and you know,

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Speaker 1: pleasure later. And I'm okay with it because I'm like,

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Speaker 1: you know what, we have work, I should be grateful

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Speaker 1: and that's it. So the good thing is him and

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Speaker 1: I my husband. Now, oh my god, that's so weird

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Speaker 1: to say that my husband, now that we're on the

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Speaker 1: same page. But yes, you did. You did come actually

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Speaker 1: to my home, and I'm going to tell you guys

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Speaker 1: here on the podcast. I don't I decided when I

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Speaker 1: moved to this home, I wasn't going to let certain.

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to protect my home a little bit more.

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Speaker 1: But when they told me that Ramos wanted to interview me,

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Speaker 1: I said absolutely, he saw my closet, he was here.

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Speaker 1: I was so happy. Yes, it was a beautiful interview.

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Speaker 1: So so yes, we have spoken before, and I think

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Speaker 1: that's when you know, I've seen you on television and

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Speaker 1: I know a lot about you and I admire what

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Speaker 1: a human being, it was so wonderful. So that's why.

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Speaker 1: And you know I wanted to talk to you because

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Speaker 1: I know you have a new book out. You said,

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Speaker 1: Ya'm a asciveo lascosas, and I want to start off

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, I've been doing the newscasts for more

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Speaker 2: and I have the Sunday Morning political show and doing

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Speaker 2: other things Albo Personnel, which we spent more than a

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Speaker 2: the news, or when I'm covering a war, or when

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Speaker 2: many things that you haven't said how you felt. And

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Speaker 2: then that's what writing is for me. Every week. I've

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Speaker 2: been writing a column every week for more than thirty years,

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Speaker 2: He understood what I meant, and then when we arrived

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Speaker 2: was worth only fifteen dollars. And that's the kind of

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Speaker 2: stories that I'm telling here in the book. Is not

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Speaker 2: to die. Now. The important story was what the war

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Speaker 2: in Afghanistan and that's it. But on the other hand,

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Speaker 2: have your stories to tell right before and after the concerts.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. From what I know about you, you're very a

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Speaker 1: very private person with your private life. And it's like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I love about this book in particular, is that people

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Speaker 1: are going to get to know you, you know, the person

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Speaker 1: on a different level. And it just really just makes

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Speaker 1: I congratulate you for this for this book. How many

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Speaker 2: This is number fourteen? I think, yeah, but no, but

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Speaker 2: it's like music for you, it is writing for me.

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Speaker 2: It's something that I have to do. If I don't

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Speaker 2: I'm sure that's what music is for you.

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Speaker 1: It's like an outlet. I always say music is like

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Speaker 2: Just imagine what life would be for you, life without music,

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Speaker 2: You know, one of the stories that I tell in

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Speaker 2: You know? It is difficult now because here's the power shifting.

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Speaker 2: And something something funny happened to me before the interview.

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Speaker 2: I going to ask? Cheekies? And then I realized, no, no, no,

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Speaker 2: There are questions that that you do not ask, and

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Speaker 1: Absolutely happens to me a lot. Actually it does. It does.

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Speaker 2: Those who who win the interviews with me, they're the

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Speaker 2: ones who have a message, and it doesn't matter what

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Speaker 2: with that message, with that story, your own personal story,

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Speaker 2: that's the moment when the interviews go wrong.

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Speaker 1: I agree, And that's what changed for me if you

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Speaker 1: would have asked me this, I don't know ten years ago.

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Speaker 1: In the interviews, I felt very vulnerable. I felt like,

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Speaker 2: And he stops and he starts breathing as if he's

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Speaker 2: just making sure that he realizes what's happening all around him. Maybe,

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Speaker 2: and you do your your own thing too, I mean,

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Speaker 1: Of people when it's not my audience on the SOOM festival.

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Speaker 1: I get more nervous. When it's it's my concert and

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Speaker 2: Oh interesting, Yeah, thirty seconds and goes away. And when

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, And I think nerves are good because we're

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Speaker 1: but you have. I love to know that you have

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Speaker 1: I love it. Now, what's your favorite color? I just

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Speaker 2: But do you have you always were blue?

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Speaker 1: Ah?

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Speaker 2: Okay, yes for some reason. I mean, if you see

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Speaker 2: it's just like the same way you're seeing me right now,

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Speaker 2: and the beauty about it. I understand that Mark Sockerberg

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Speaker 2: They basically don't change how they dress. That way, you

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Speaker 2: I like that you cannot do that, right.

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Speaker 1: No, I love stuff, that's the thing as you as

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Speaker 2: But are you worried that if you repeat something that

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Speaker 2: or are gonna say, oh, she used it.

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Speaker 1: Yes, a little bit. I'm not gonna lie. I do

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Speaker 1: feel sometimes that I I don't like to wear things

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Speaker 1: and then I donate. I love donating my clothes. But

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Speaker 1: I know. I have only a few more minutes with you,

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Speaker 1: but I just wanted to. I wanted to say thank you.

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Speaker 1: I know you're very busy man, and if you could

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Speaker 1: just give me a bit of advice on marriage, like

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Speaker 1: what is what's the secret? Just a little one, just

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Speaker 1: something small.

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Speaker 2: No, I don't think i'm the one. I'm not the

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Speaker 2: But I really wish you you know something. As I

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Speaker 2: the It was so beautiful, happy for you. Yeah, and

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Speaker 2: what I love about it is that you did it

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Speaker 2: in your own terms, exactly as you wanted.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: That's so beautiful.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. I appreciate it. I did get

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Speaker 1: and very intimate and and I appreciate that. So check

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Speaker 2: Check check your smile. And in the pictures, oh yes,

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure if you have that. It's the perfect smile.

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Speaker 2: It's it's someone who is at peace and in love

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Speaker 2: and that's what you want, right.

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Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely, thank you. That means a lot to me. Yes,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much, and I appreciate you guys. Everyone

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