1 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 1: Hey, folks, it is Thursday, October the second, and for 2 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:12,119 Speaker 1: the first time in a long time, a woman is 3 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 1: scheduled to be executed in the United States of America. 4 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 1: And with that, welcome to this episode episode of Amy 5 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:20,919 Speaker 1: and TJ Roapes. It's got a lot of attention, a 6 00:00:20,920 --> 00:00:22,600 Speaker 1: lot of headlines. I got us thinking, wait a minute, 7 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 1: we execute women first of all, but it is extremely rare. 8 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 1: So this is making headlines. 9 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:32,919 Speaker 2: It's making headlines on a national level. But even if 10 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:35,559 Speaker 2: you look specifically in the state of Tennessee, where her 11 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 2: execution date was just scheduled, if the state of Tennessee 12 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 2: follows through and executes this woman, forty nine year old 13 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 2: Christa Gail Pike, she will be the first woman in 14 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 2: more than two hundred years to be executed in the 15 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 2: state of Tennessee, certainly in modern times, the first woman 16 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 2: in that state. 17 00:00:56,960 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 1: Well, the first one in a long time in the 18 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 1: United State. As we sit here, we've been talking a 19 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:05,320 Speaker 1: lot about executions. We have past several weeks and months, 20 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 1: because we are on in this country an uptick, a 21 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:13,680 Speaker 1: faster pace than usual. We've had more executions in the 22 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:15,960 Speaker 1: United States this year than we've seen at least since 23 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 1: twenty fifteen, and Florida is leading the way. We're used 24 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: to Texas leading the way, but they're doing It's forgiven 25 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 1: me for the phrase. They're doing gang busters down there, 26 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 1: if you will. 27 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 2: In terms of execution, yes, I believe Nashley, we're more 28 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:31,959 Speaker 2: than three dozen, and I think we have nine or 29 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:34,680 Speaker 2: ten more scheduled for this year alone. So yes, we 30 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:38,680 Speaker 2: are on a recent record pace. Florida leading the way, 31 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 2: and I believe the other states are Texas and South Carolina, 32 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 2: and that is where I witness my execution. In the 33 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 2: state of South Carolina. They are certainly known for meaning business. 34 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 3: When they say you are sentenced to death, they follow through. 35 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 1: So these have been making headlines lately. A lot of 36 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 1: the reasons A lot of people are wondering the robes why, 37 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 1: Like what's going on with the issue is and have 38 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 1: something changed? Well a few things. Actually you had COVID, 39 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 1: and you had a lot of states actually couldn't get 40 00:02:09,160 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 1: their hands on the right drugs and what not to 41 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 1: do lethal injections. There were issues about cruel and unusual punishment, 42 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 1: so there was not necessarily a moratorium, but things slowed 43 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 1: down because they couldn't get the right drugs, and now 44 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 1: everybody's got access once again to a lot of things, 45 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: and that's why we're seeking uptick correct. 46 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 2: And they've also a lot of states during that period 47 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 2: of time when they couldn't figure out how to get 48 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 2: the drugs right and to make it less cruel, they 49 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 2: were expanding even options for inmates as to how they 50 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 2: should die. So many states tried to continue the process 51 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 2: by expanding ways to die. So we've seen some states 52 00:02:45,440 --> 00:02:50,079 Speaker 2: add nitrogen gas. We've seen some states add the firing squad, 53 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 2: and in the state of Tennessee they actually added it's 54 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 2: a strange thing because it was outlawed to electrocute someone. 55 00:02:56,840 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 2: But bottom line, if you've committed a crime before nineteen 56 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 2: ninety nine, you can still choose electrocution other than lethal injection. 57 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 2: That's how concerned death row inmates were about the pain 58 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 2: they may suffer in dying with lethal injection, that they've 59 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 2: chosen methods like the electric chair, which seems insane to me, 60 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 2: but that's just how concerning it's become, certainly with the 61 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 2: headlines about it being an incredibly painful way to die. 62 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, we've seen firing squad and a couple of nitrogen 63 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:29,799 Speaker 1: gas executions here as of late. But what we're talking 64 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 1: about now is a woman by the name of Christa 65 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 1: Gail Pike. She is on death row. She's been on 66 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 1: death row nearly three decades in Tennessee. She's forty nine 67 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 1: years old now. But robe she was convicted of a 68 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 1: pretty not just murder, but a pretty heinous crime. That 69 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 1: is really it kind of makes your skin crawl when 70 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 1: you hear some of the details of what she was 71 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: accused of. And we should say she is not denying, 72 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 1: has admitted to right. 73 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 2: She was convicted of this, so we don't need to 74 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 2: say allegedly or anything that anything like that. But yes, 75 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 2: this wasn't just a murder. This was a torture that 76 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 2: ended in murder. Basically, they've called it a gruesome and 77 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 2: prolonged attack against nineteen year old Colleen Slummer, who Pike 78 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 2: considered to be a romantic rival. Basically, she thought this 79 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 2: young girl was going after her boyfriend, so she got 80 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:27,480 Speaker 2: her boyfriend, a friend, and herself to lure Colleen Slummer. 81 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 2: This was all in Knoxville, Tennessee. They were at a 82 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 2: Knoxville Job Corps program for students who maybe had gone awry. 83 00:04:35,839 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 2: But this was near the University of Tennessee campus and 84 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:39,160 Speaker 2: they got her to come out. 85 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 3: They lured her to this wooded area and with. 86 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 2: A box cutter, Pike carved a pentagram and her forehead 87 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 2: on her chest. They beat her, they stabbed her, they 88 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:55,159 Speaker 2: taunted her. Reportedly she was pleading for her life, and this, 89 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:58,920 Speaker 2: they say, went on. This torture went on for an hour. 90 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 2: This was a horrific, awful, gut wrenching crime that was committed. 91 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:10,680 Speaker 1: So the question about the crime and the guilt, it's 92 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 1: not one of those situations. There are still people out 93 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 1: there and I guess this robe is in every case 94 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:19,360 Speaker 1: we've seen, every death penalty case, that will be people 95 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:21,560 Speaker 1: out there who are just against the death penalty. Not 96 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 1: necessarily always trying to prove innocence, but they are against 97 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 1: the death penalty and they say, no, we shouldn't put 98 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 1: someone to death. We have cases where people are pleading 99 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 1: that someone is actually innocent, and then you have a 100 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 1: case like this where some are saying there are factors 101 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 1: that need to be taken into consideration, including the age, 102 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 1: the trauma she went through, her maturity level at the time, 103 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: and her mental illness. That is why some people now 104 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 1: robes are trying to save this woman's life. 105 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 3: That's correct. 106 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:56,760 Speaker 2: So the crime was committed in nineteen ninety five, she 107 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 2: was convicted in nineteen ninety six. Are arguing for some 108 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 2: sort of clemency so that she, yes, she belongs in prison, 109 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:07,119 Speaker 2: she should spend the rest of her life in prison. 110 00:06:07,160 --> 00:06:10,719 Speaker 2: I don't think anyone is arguing against that, including Pike herself. 111 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 2: But they're fighting for the government, or at least for 112 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 2: the state of Tennessee, to spare her life. Because yes, 113 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:19,159 Speaker 2: she was eighteen at the time of the crime. She 114 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 2: had suffered for her entire life sexual and physical abuse. 115 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 2: She had undiagnosed bipolar disorder. And so when you take 116 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 2: into consideration, and this is something that states can and 117 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:35,280 Speaker 2: do consider these days in modern times, mental illness and age. 118 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 2: Those two things weren't argued or considered, they claim in 119 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 2: her case, and that her lawyers didn't bring this to light, 120 00:06:42,400 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 2: that the jury didn't take this into consideration. 121 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 3: But when they chose to death, we. 122 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:49,840 Speaker 1: Consider those things. So again, if not even brought up, 123 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:52,520 Speaker 1: but even if it is brought up today we view 124 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:53,840 Speaker 1: those things so differently. 125 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:56,159 Speaker 3: We do, Mike, I mean, she shouldn't. 126 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:57,719 Speaker 1: Be okay, we don't mind making that case. But it's 127 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 1: just a matter of we look at it. It's just 128 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:02,239 Speaker 1: no matter if we didn't consider it back in ninety 129 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:05,360 Speaker 1: five or ninety six. Even if you did, you'd look 130 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 1: at it differently. We consider mental illness a different monster 131 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 1: than we did at that time. 132 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 3: Without a doubt. 133 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 2: And here's the other interesting part of this. So she 134 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 2: had her boyfriend to Darryl Ship with her at the time, 135 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 2: the man who she thought or the I hate to 136 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 2: say man, the. 137 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 3: Young guy who she was dating who she thought. 138 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 2: This other woman, Colleen Slummer, who ended up being murdered, 139 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 2: was after he participated, along with another eighteen year old 140 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 2: Shadala Peterson. They were all a part of this. Now, 141 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 2: obviously Pike was the ringleader, but according to everything I'm 142 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 2: rating to Darryl's Ship contributed to it. 143 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 3: But here's the deal. He was a few months younger 144 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 3: than her, so. 145 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 2: He was seventeen and she was eighteen. And so now 146 00:07:53,880 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 2: to Darryl Ship, who was seventeen at the time, he 147 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:59,560 Speaker 2: also was sentenced to life in prison, but he wasn't 148 00:07:59,560 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 2: given the penalty because he wasn't eligible for it because 149 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 2: he wasn't eighteen. And so get this next year, when 150 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 2: she is set to be executed, he is up for parole. 151 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 3: There's the difference of a few months. 152 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 1: Look the look the laws, the law, and all those 153 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 1: little legal details are what they are. Again, some are 154 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 1: making the argument, obviously that's not fair. Literally next year 155 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 1: he's eligible to leave rison, she is set to be executed. 156 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 1: Obviously people argue that's not fair. I was, and I 157 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 1: think this made headlines ropes. There have been a lot 158 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 1: of executions this year. You and I've covered probably two 159 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 1: or three that rose to a level. For some reason, 160 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 1: we're just not used to seeing women on death row 161 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 1: and talking about them being executed. We just don't do it. 162 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 1: And to think that we're going to see the first 163 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 1: one in this country in five years, possibly next year, 164 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 1: I guess brings attention to the death penalty, don't you 165 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 1: think in a different way than you usually does? Why 166 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 1: does it? Why should it? Some of these crimes I 167 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 1: hear about women I've been We've been doing deep dies 168 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:09,079 Speaker 1: than women who've been on death row, just as hainous 169 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 1: of crimes as you will ever hear. But why do 170 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 1: we look at it differently when we're talking about putting 171 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 1: a women to death? Versus a mantagm. 172 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 2: I was just going to ask you that same question, 173 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:20,079 Speaker 2: because a human is a human, and so I don't 174 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:22,199 Speaker 2: think I think, especially those of us who would like 175 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:25,319 Speaker 2: to be treated equally when it comes to pay and 176 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 2: given certain opportunities to be looked at the same as men, 177 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:31,959 Speaker 2: we then can't also say, oh, but treat us differently 178 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:34,959 Speaker 2: when it comes to punishments, when it comes to owning 179 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:38,000 Speaker 2: up to our mistakes. In terms of yes, all of 180 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:42,240 Speaker 2: those punishments, however we see fit in this country to 181 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 2: choose to punish people. Shouldn't it be a one size 182 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:48,960 Speaker 2: fits all? Should it not be only given out to 183 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:52,960 Speaker 2: men and rarely given out to women? Look obviously, well 184 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:55,680 Speaker 2: I shouldn't say obviously, but I do believe more violent 185 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 2: crimes and more murders are committed by men than women. 186 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 3: No, that's fact. 187 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:05,679 Speaker 2: But if women commit just as heinous crimes as men, 188 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:08,200 Speaker 2: shouldn't they be held to the same standard. Shouldn't we 189 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 2: want that to be the case if we want equal 190 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 2: treatment on all the other avenues of our lives. 191 00:10:14,280 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: So your point everything you said, yes, that should be 192 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 1: the case. My question still, why is it, though? I 193 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 1: guess just is it just a matter of that, it's rare, 194 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:27,960 Speaker 1: we're more fast. What is my favorite true crime show? Snapped? 195 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 1: Because every story is about a woman committing this crime. 196 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 1: I think because it is so rare that there's some 197 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 1: fascination about it. 198 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:37,719 Speaker 3: Without a doubt. 199 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 1: Maybe that's it. 200 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 2: I think that's it because as women, we are looked 201 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 2: to and typically are. Whether it's biological or society driven, 202 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 2: I don't know, but we tend to be the nurturers, 203 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 2: the caregivers sex. 204 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 1: We're not wrong to say, okay, that's yes. 205 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 3: No, no, I don't think it is at all, and 206 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 3: we don't. 207 00:10:57,559 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 2: We're not as likely to we're not as likely to 208 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 2: go into a murderous rage. 209 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 3: Can it happen? 210 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 2: Of course it can, but it's rarer, and yes, that 211 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 2: is why we look at it differently. And I think 212 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 2: that is perhaps why we treat women differently when it 213 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:15,119 Speaker 2: comes to punishment. 214 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 1: It feel it looks it just it feels different to say, oh, 215 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 1: a woman, oh, and the question is okay, well what 216 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 1: does she do? And then I hear, oh, she did that. Okay, 217 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:28,559 Speaker 1: I kind of get it. This is not a death 218 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:32,840 Speaker 1: penalty necessarily right now, discussion about whether or not it 219 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 1: is right or wrong. This is now a conversation at 220 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 1: least about the death penalty that we're only having because 221 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 1: we're talking about a woman. I'm saying that why is 222 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: a woman? I'm asking You've answered it clearly and we've 223 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 1: said yeah. But it's just interesting that the conversation now 224 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 1: goes a different direction or is heightened because of the 225 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 1: rarity of having a woman being on death row. Look, 226 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 1: we've got forty eight women. Isn't on death row in 227 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 1: the United States? But what is it? We got twenty 228 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 1: one hundred men? 229 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 3: Yes, women? 230 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 1: What is that percentage? Was it three? Was it one? Whatever? 231 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 2: That I've seen percentages between one and three percent of 232 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 2: anyone on death row is a female. So yes, ninety 233 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 2: seven to ninety nine percent of death row inmates are men. 234 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 1: Isn't that your first question? Wait? I want so they're 235 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:21,680 Speaker 1: on death row. But now this is the only one 236 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 1: scheduled to be executed. Correct, there is an execution date, 237 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: and if we haven't said clearly, it's. 238 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 2: Sept September thirtieth, twenty twenty six. And you know, I 239 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:32,240 Speaker 2: want to point out too, because I mentioned what she 240 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 2: did with a box cutter and how she sliced and 241 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 2: brutalized this nineteen year old young woman. 242 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 3: But she also this is I believe what the fatal 243 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:42,560 Speaker 3: blow was. 244 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:46,679 Speaker 2: She actually took a piece a chunk of asphalt and 245 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 2: bashed it into this young woman's head. 246 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 3: And then a part of this is really gruesome. 247 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 2: I'm sorry to say this, but I just want to 248 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 2: give you an idea of what this woman did what 249 00:12:57,240 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 2: she was convicted of, Krista Pike. She actually then took 250 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:03,680 Speaker 2: a piece of the skull that came off and showed 251 00:13:03,720 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 2: it off to schoolmates, to classmates saying, look what I 252 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 2: did here is a piece of a skull of a 253 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 2: young woman I just brutally murdered. So this was a 254 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:18,559 Speaker 2: woman who not only took her time terrorizing, torturing, and 255 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:23,320 Speaker 2: killing Colleen Slummer, but then showed off and bragged about 256 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:28,239 Speaker 2: the murder later to classmates. That is especially despicable. 257 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 1: And yeah, I agree, No one is disagreeing with what 258 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 1: you're saying. Yeah, we're just not used to and this 259 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 1: is one of those cases. We're just not used to 260 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 1: ropes hearing about women doing that. I keep going back 261 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 1: to this in the discussion we're having, we would not 262 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 1: be doing this if we had heard this was a 263 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 1: man who had done this exactly the same thing. We 264 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 1: just did a story about a man on death row. 265 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 1: But the only reason we did it is because there 266 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 1: was something that pulled at our heartstrings. There was a 267 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 1: redemption story. There was something there even though he executed 268 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:11,679 Speaker 1: a woman in a gas station, but the son of 269 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:14,680 Speaker 1: that woman he executed forgave him and that was a 270 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 1: story to it. This is a woman, now, there's nothing 271 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 1: about There is nothing I have read that makes me sympathetic. 272 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 1: When I read her crime, when I read her story, 273 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 1: when I read her background, when I read her history, 274 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 1: when I read her upbringing, when I read what she 275 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 1: went through, it makes you pump the brakes. Not because 276 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:34,360 Speaker 1: she's a woman. 277 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 3: I think that's a very fair way to put it. 278 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 2: And there is an entire campaign online hashtag Mercy for Christa, 279 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 2: and this is what they are saying. 280 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 3: They're actually collecting. 281 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 2: Signatures for the governor to try and stop the execution. 282 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 2: There on a mission as this execution date has just 283 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 2: been set. 284 00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 3: But their big point is Krista. 285 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 2: Pike is the only woman on Tennessee's death row for 286 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 2: a crime committed when she was an eighteen year old 287 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 2: girl with untreated severe mental illness. And they have a 288 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 2: quote from Krista Pike and this, look, it doesn't take 289 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 2: away her crime. It doesn't undo what she did, and 290 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 2: we should point out her victim's mother is adamant that 291 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 2: she wants Krista Pike put to death. But this is 292 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 2: what Christa Pike had to say. There is no excuse 293 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 2: for what I did. There are reasons for the way 294 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 2: that I acted, but nothing excuses the crime and the 295 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 2: damage it has caused to so many lives. 296 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 1: The victim's mom doesn't want to hear any of that, 297 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:40,160 Speaker 1: and I understand that's nothing to talk about. And what 298 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 1: was she put it as a the way the mom 299 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 1: put it. 300 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 2: That she wants her to be put down, it sounded 301 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 2: as if she was referring to her as an animal, 302 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 2: and I understand that because what she did to her 303 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 2: daughter was animalistic. 304 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 1: And again, we talk about people in prison and there 305 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 1: to have these redemption stories and how much they have 306 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 1: worked and improved themselves and model prisoners. She actually, since 307 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 1: the time she's been in prison, Robes has been convicted 308 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 1: of another crime in prison that's pretty heinous as well. 309 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 1: That added a whole bunch of years to her already 310 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 1: life sentence. 311 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 2: She got an extra twenty five years because she strangled 312 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 2: or attempted to strangle another inmate while in prison. 313 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 3: So yes, she had another twenty five. 314 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 2: Years added to her life sentence and death sentence. I 315 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 2: mean at that point, she really didn't have any reason 316 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 2: for good behavior. 317 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 3: I guess there was really no incentive for her. 318 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 2: To behave Well, it's still those speaks to and Look, 319 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 2: I don't know what prison environment or prison culture is like. 320 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 2: I don't know if it's a kill or be killed. 321 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 2: It sounds like it is when I watch movies or 322 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 2: here documentaries, but I don't know why or what the 323 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:54,359 Speaker 2: circumstances were surrounding it. But certainly she has violent tendencies. 324 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 2: I think that has been well documented. 325 00:16:57,400 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 1: But folks, it got us thinking about how many women 326 00:17:04,760 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 1: have been executed in this country. It got us thinking 327 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:10,680 Speaker 1: about who was the last woman executed in this country? 328 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 1: And would you believe the answer? Isn't that clear cut? 329 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:27,720 Speaker 2: Welcome back to this edition of Amy and TJ. We 330 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:31,640 Speaker 2: are talking about a big headline here in Tennessee. They 331 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 2: are set to execute a woman. 332 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:34,679 Speaker 1: You sit here in Tennessee. 333 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what we're. 334 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:38,399 Speaker 2: Actually in Georgia to be perfectly frank. So we're in 335 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:41,399 Speaker 2: the South, and maybe that's why I said that, But sorry, 336 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:46,159 Speaker 2: Tennessee has just announced or they just scheduled the first 337 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 2: execution of a woman in more than two hundred years, 338 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:54,440 Speaker 2: and it is set to happen September thirtieth, twenty twenty six. 339 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:56,919 Speaker 2: We are talking about now forty nine year old Christa 340 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 2: Gail Pike. 341 00:17:57,600 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 1: But she was just. 342 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 2: Eighteen years old when she committed a gruesome and prolonged 343 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 2: murder of a romantic rival, a nineteen year old, another 344 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:08,680 Speaker 2: young girl. But the manner in which she killed her, 345 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 2: the torture that was involved, no one's disputing how despicable 346 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 2: it was. But it certainly is of note that she 347 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 2: is and has been the only woman on death role 348 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:23,880 Speaker 2: in that state for thirty years now, and. 349 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:27,959 Speaker 1: From what her attorneys say, she hasn't actually a lot 350 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:30,719 Speaker 1: of that been able to interact with other prisoners. This 351 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:32,719 Speaker 1: has been a miserable existence for her, and a lot 352 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 1: of people say, yes, she. 353 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 2: Got what she deserved, solitary confinement for twenty seven years. 354 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:39,399 Speaker 1: That's up. So now here we are she has an 355 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 1: execution date. She is the only woman I believe in 356 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 1: the United States of America who has an execution date. 357 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 1: There are forty eight women in the United States on 358 00:18:50,600 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 1: death row. None of them have a planned execution date. 359 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 1: She is the only one out of what twenty one 360 00:18:59,080 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 1: hundred men. 361 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:01,679 Speaker 3: We just said, yes, there's a big disparity. 362 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 1: So who was the last You have to ask who 363 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 1: was the last woman executed? And certainly we asked that question. 364 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:10,359 Speaker 1: The last woman executed from what we could tell, was 365 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 1: Lisa Marie Montgomery. That was in January of twenty twenty one. 366 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 1: Did I say this was tera hate Indiana? Again? Another heinus, 367 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:20,840 Speaker 1: this was a hey, this was the one strangled a 368 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:24,400 Speaker 1: woman and then a pregnant woman and then cut the 369 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:28,200 Speaker 1: baby out of this woman. The woman died, that bleeds out. 370 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:31,719 Speaker 1: The baby actually survives, right, and it ends up with family. 371 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:35,120 Speaker 1: But that was the crime. This woman again mental illness, 372 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:37,879 Speaker 1: long history of mental illness. But she was executed in 373 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 1: January of twenty twenty one. However, twenty twenty three rogues, 374 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:45,640 Speaker 1: there is conversation and we have to explain at least 375 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 1: and just be fully honest here about what happened. 376 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:51,440 Speaker 2: Well, it was a little confusing because we actually were 377 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 2: trying to remember any headline where a woman had been 378 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 2: executed in this country in recent history and modern history, 379 00:19:58,080 --> 00:19:59,880 Speaker 2: and we couldn't think of one, so we googled it, 380 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:04,399 Speaker 2: and turns out Amber McLaughlin in twenty twenty three of 381 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:07,040 Speaker 2: Missouri was executed. 382 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:08,400 Speaker 3: But then upon further. 383 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:12,920 Speaker 2: Review, it's a little interesting, and look, she's the first 384 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:17,199 Speaker 2: transgender person ever executed, but she was convicted as a 385 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:20,359 Speaker 2: male and it was for the rape and murder of 386 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 2: a woman, so it's tough to say. Look, I understand 387 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:26,919 Speaker 2: there was a transition after she was convicted, but her 388 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 2: conviction was as a male. She was executed as a 389 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 2: transgender female. So we just wanted to at least put 390 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 2: that out there, that that is technically the last woman 391 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:44,439 Speaker 2: transgender woman who was executed. But Lisa Marie Montgomery, that 392 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 2: story is just beyond I also think it's interesting because 393 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 2: we say in Tennessee that this will now be the 394 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:56,160 Speaker 2: first execution of a female in more than two hundred years. 395 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:59,800 Speaker 2: You have to go back to eighteen oh seven, between 396 00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:03,399 Speaker 2: eight eighteen oh seven in eighteen nineteen to find any 397 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 2: other woman who's been executed in the state of Tennessee. 398 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:10,359 Speaker 1: And again they call it executed. But these were three 399 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:16,200 Speaker 1: black women, enslaved women. I believe and do I see 400 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 1: right that they don't even have the names of two 401 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 1: of them. 402 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:21,359 Speaker 2: They don't have the names of two of them, and 403 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 2: they don't have the crimes listed, which is also just 404 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 2: scary and sad. So the last three women before this 405 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:35,160 Speaker 2: case were enslaved black women whose crimes were not listed, 406 00:21:35,720 --> 00:21:38,160 Speaker 2: who two of whose names. 407 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 3: Weren't even listed. 408 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 2: That just speaks of volumes about how they were regarded. 409 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 1: This is going to be the first woman executed in 410 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:47,359 Speaker 1: modern history in the state of Tennessee, without a doubt, 411 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:49,440 Speaker 1: Christ the Pike, and that's coming. So we want to 412 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 1: tead you and she had again we've talked about this. 413 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 1: In other executions, they get to choose their method of execution. 414 00:21:56,080 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 1: Her options in Tennessee aren't as plentiful as in some 415 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:03,360 Speaker 1: other places. 416 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:05,919 Speaker 3: Correctly so, the standard. 417 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,920 Speaker 2: Mode of operation in terms of execution is lethal injection. 418 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,680 Speaker 2: And the way it was described or written was that 419 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:16,879 Speaker 2: she would be notified by the state as to what 420 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,880 Speaker 2: her form of execution would be, and it would most 421 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 2: likely be lethal injection. How desert is well, that was 422 00:22:23,320 --> 00:22:25,679 Speaker 2: what it for most inmates. That is the truth. But 423 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:29,080 Speaker 2: if you committed your crime before nineteen ninety nine, you 424 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 2: can choose electrocution. So it appears as if she could 425 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:36,159 Speaker 2: choose the electric chair because her crime was committed in 426 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 2: nineteen ninety five, so she would technically have the right 427 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:43,680 Speaker 2: to ask for the electric chair rather than lethal injection. 428 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 2: And you know, she's run out of options at this point, 429 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 2: she's been in death row for thirty years. That is 430 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 2: pretty much the case the way it works in this country, 431 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 2: for the extensive and exhaustive appeals process that has to 432 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 2: be in place for folks, because look, we were looking 433 00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:03,679 Speaker 2: into how many people are executed who after they're killed, 434 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 2: after they're executed, have been found to be innocent. 435 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 1: They say, on average four a year. On average we 436 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,200 Speaker 1: have four people a year who are on death row 437 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:14,600 Speaker 1: who end up exonerated. That is what I was discussing 438 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 1: with your heads. That is the case for getting rid 439 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 1: of the death penalty. This is just a mistake you 440 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 1: cannot make. 441 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:21,639 Speaker 2: It's a case for getting rid of the death penalty 442 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:23,879 Speaker 2: on a moral level, but on a financial one. It 443 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,399 Speaker 2: costs I don't know the exact numbers, but it's at 444 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 2: least ten times. It costs more than a million dollars 445 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,439 Speaker 2: to execute one prisoner in this country because of the 446 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:37,639 Speaker 2: expensive and exhaustive legal proceedings that have to take place 447 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,639 Speaker 2: to try and make sure we don't execute innocent people. 448 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 2: But what ends up happening is the bill. It is 449 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 2: I believe you can house up to ten inmates for 450 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 2: life for the same cost you can to execute one. 451 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:52,959 Speaker 3: So it is cost prohibitive. 452 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,640 Speaker 2: It is immoral in a lot of folks, eyes and 453 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 2: a lot of crime would argue that it is not 454 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:04,640 Speaker 2: a deterrent because no one thinks they're going. 455 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 3: To get caught. 456 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 1: Who says it's a moral. 457 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:10,880 Speaker 3: Catholics a lot of folks who were Catholics. 458 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 1: In this country, and I'm setting you up for something. 459 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 2: Here in the northeat I mean the Catholic the Catholic community, 460 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 2: the large Catholic community is in the Midwest and the Northeast. 461 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,119 Speaker 1: The nineteen seventy six, this is the date people use. 462 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,359 Speaker 1: That's when the federal moratorium on executions was lifted, and 463 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,679 Speaker 1: that's when executions kind of started back up again. They 464 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:30,200 Speaker 1: call that the modern era, if you will, of executions. 465 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 1: I asked you about where people were, where Catholics are, 466 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 1: because since nineteen seventy six, and if you will, there's 467 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 1: a great resource I know you've been looking at it 468 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:40,520 Speaker 1: as well, called the Death Penalty Resource Center. You're the 469 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 1: Death Penalty Information Center. They are the kind of the 470 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 1: gatekeepers of all this information. But where since nineteen seventy 471 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:50,959 Speaker 1: six in the country the executions have taken place? The 472 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 1: South thirteen hundred and forty two, in the South, in 473 00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:55,680 Speaker 1: the northeast. 474 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:59,680 Speaker 3: Four and yes in those south, yes. 475 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:05,479 Speaker 1: Eighteen hundred plus four in the northeast, the midwest two 476 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 1: hundred and four, the west ninety one. But in the 477 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 1: South thirteen hundred plus. Texas has six hundred just on 478 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 1: their own. That doesn't count in the South number. But 479 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:22,359 Speaker 1: if you see go from Texas on over to the Atlantic, 480 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:26,600 Speaker 1: and that is where almost ninety plus percent of the 481 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:28,159 Speaker 1: executions take place. 482 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:32,920 Speaker 2: And look in the world, we are the only Western 483 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:36,560 Speaker 2: civilized country that still legalizes. 484 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:39,200 Speaker 3: Executions period. 485 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,520 Speaker 2: In fact, I looked up which country executes the most 486 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 2: people and they don't have exact numbers because so much 487 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 2: of the information in this country is secretive. 488 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,440 Speaker 1: We comte China, China, China. 489 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, Saudi Arabia, Iraq and Iran. 490 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 2: Woo, We're compete with those those are the countries that 491 00:25:55,920 --> 00:26:00,920 Speaker 2: have the highest number of state sanctioned country sinc executions. 492 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,400 Speaker 3: But we're right there, up there with them. 493 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 1: I had no qualms with anybody, this victim's mother. You can't, 494 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 1: you can't ever question that. No, But just there's been 495 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:15,920 Speaker 1: a lot of death penalty, a lot of talk of death, 496 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:17,720 Speaker 1: a lot of talk of these methods that are used, 497 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 1: a lot of talk of the descriptions of how people die, 498 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:24,919 Speaker 1: and people have their own opinions about the death penalty, 499 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 1: and the conversation will now ramp up, and I think 500 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 1: we'll have this for a year plus in a different 501 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 1: way because now it's a woman, and that's just a 502 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:35,440 Speaker 1: different death penalty conversation than. 503 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:35,960 Speaker 3: We're used to see. 504 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 2: It certainly will be. And Slummer's mother, May Martinez is 505 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 2: her name. I just wanted to end with her quote. 506 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 2: She said, I would like Tennessee to hear my plea 507 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:50,879 Speaker 2: and finally end this after thirty years. We will continue 508 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,400 Speaker 2: to follow this case. It certainly is going to be 509 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 2: a historic one, and we'll see what ensues in terms 510 00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:02,199 Speaker 2: of appeals and any possible last ditch efforts she may have. 511 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 2: We know this petition is circulating. I think they have 512 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 2: a couple thousand signatures on the petition. Don't know how 513 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,679 Speaker 2: much that is going to sway the Tennessee governor at 514 00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,159 Speaker 2: this point, but certainly there will be more to the 515 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:13,359 Speaker 2: story and we will be on it. 516 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,400 Speaker 3: So thank you for listening to us. Everyone. I'm Amy 517 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 3: Roback alongside TJ. Holmes. We'll talk to you soon.