1 00:00:02,040 --> 00:00:04,760 Speaker 1: Welcome back to Hurdle, a podcast that talks to top 2 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: entrepreneurs and badass humans who got through a tough time 3 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:11,560 Speaker 1: in their lives a hurdle of sorts by leaning into wellness. 4 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 1: My name's Emily A. 5 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 2: Badi. 6 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 1: I'm a certified trainer, run and spin coach, also a writer, editor, 7 00:00:17,040 --> 00:00:18,480 Speaker 1: and podcaster. 8 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 2: Living in New York City. 9 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 1: On today's episode, I sit down with Shaney Alexander, an 10 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 1: Ultimate Girl Boss, entrepreneur and social media influencer extraordinaire with 11 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 1: wait for it, one hundred and thirty eight thousand Instagram 12 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: followers in counting. 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She's got one hundred 51 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 1: and thirty six thousand followers. That's obscene in the best 52 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 1: of ways. Today, thanks for coming in today. 53 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 2: Thanks for having me, and it is obscene. And I 54 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 2: actually am pretty shocked every day that anyone wants to 55 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 2: listen to me or watch me do anything, so always 56 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 2: deeply humbled about that. 57 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:22,919 Speaker 1: Okay, so you are a lifestyle content creator, I am. 58 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:26,119 Speaker 1: Why don't you give me the rundown on who you are? 59 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 1: Give me a little spiel and then we'll get into it. 60 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:30,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I speel. You know, it's like the hardest thing 61 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 2: interviews and people are like, what are you? What do 62 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 2: you do? And I'm like, oh my god, if I 63 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 2: only knew, but I'm yeah, I say I'm a content 64 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 2: creator because I create content on all sorts of platforms. 65 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 2: So do Instagram and Instagram happen very accidentally for me, 66 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 2: but that's my main platform. But I also do YouTube 67 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 2: and this year working on a podcast and a book, 68 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 2: so you'll have to come on my podcast cross pods. Yeah, 69 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 2: but basically what I focus on. I started in fitness 70 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 2: just kind of sharing my fitness life. But I realized 71 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 2: that really wasn't holistically who I was. It was about 72 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 2: twenty percent of my life. And just like it is 73 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 2: for most of us that aren't working in fitness, you know, 74 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:16,159 Speaker 2: we just enjoy it. We like working out. So for me, 75 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:19,799 Speaker 2: it was about how do I present online and offline 76 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 2: really who I truly am, and how do I speak 77 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:26,040 Speaker 2: to primarily women, about finding who they really are and 78 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:29,479 Speaker 2: speaking really honestly about who they are, not only to 79 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 2: you know, the world through social media, but just in 80 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:35,159 Speaker 2: their daily lives of how do you live your fullest life? 81 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:37,599 Speaker 1: And you say that you started in fitness, meaning that 82 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:40,800 Speaker 1: you started with some sort of online social presence, Yes, 83 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:41,720 Speaker 1: in fitness. 84 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:46,039 Speaker 2: That was focused on sharing a fitness perspective. I actually 85 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 2: was interviewing for a job at class Pass and in 86 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:52,160 Speaker 2: social media, and I totally didn't get the job, but 87 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 2: I started the Instagram account for that job interview, and 88 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:59,480 Speaker 2: then about a year ago, in January, I basically decided 89 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 2: to start completely pursuing my personal brand. I was an 90 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:07,599 Speaker 2: entrepreneur before that. After the class past thing didn't work out, 91 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:11,159 Speaker 2: I started my own event planning company. It was amazing. 92 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 2: But then I really the Instagram thing started growing kind 93 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 2: of without my prodding, it just by organically posting and sharing. 94 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 2: So I really this year had to make a decision 95 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 2: to focus. And you decided at that time actually to 96 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 2: change your social handles. Yeah, right, yeah, because I figured 97 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 2: if I'm going to be doing I was starting to 98 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:34,160 Speaker 2: get asked to do speaking things and you know, wonderful 99 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 2: recordings like this podcast and books and really, you know, 100 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:42,479 Speaker 2: I wanted my handle to reflect really myself, and I'm 101 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 2: like out here trying to be like millennial Oprah. So 102 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 2: that's like the goal for life. So you know Oprah, 103 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 2: Oprah goes by Oprah. You know, she doesn't have a 104 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:55,279 Speaker 2: cheesy Instagram handle. So I got to go back to 105 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 2: my name, Shane, and what was your og Insta handle? 106 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:02,159 Speaker 2: Og insta handle? It up in like literally thirty seconds. 107 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:05,919 Speaker 2: It was get fit Brooklyn, which actually I thought was 108 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 2: so cute, but then I was like, wow, this does 109 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 2: not reflect I mean, it has a nice it has 110 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:11,160 Speaker 2: a nice ring too. Yeah right. 111 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 1: What I'd like to do actually is kind of rewind 112 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 1: a little bit, because it's not like your interest for 113 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:19,040 Speaker 1: fitness kind of happened overnight to my understanding. So why 114 00:06:19,080 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 1: don't you tell me a little bit about your personal 115 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 1: wellness journey and what really compelled you to start this 116 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:29,120 Speaker 1: type of online community of sorts. 117 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 2: In high school and college, I was never the athlete. 118 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 2: My version of fitness was in college going to the 119 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:39,479 Speaker 2: rec center at my school, which was a very very 120 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 2: bougie rec center, and I would smell like whiskey, and 121 00:06:43,400 --> 00:06:45,839 Speaker 2: I would be literally just walking on the treadmill and 122 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:48,159 Speaker 2: I would smell the whiskey coming out of my pores, 123 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 2: and I'm like fitness, and then I'd go eat like 124 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:55,920 Speaker 2: a burrito. So it wasn't like a great balance of wellness. 125 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 2: I wouldn't describe myself as a wellness oriented person at 126 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:01,160 Speaker 2: that time. But then I moved to New York. Two 127 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:04,480 Speaker 2: years into New York, I was pretty overweight, but I 128 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 2: never really felt overweight. I never felt bad about myself 129 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 2: at that time, and so I really my body wasn't 130 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 2: hindering me in any way, and so I think it 131 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 2: actually was the best thing that ever happened. Was I 132 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 2: had a bet with a guy friend basically, and he 133 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 2: was like, Yeah, I think I'm going to try to 134 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 2: like go on this diet and like work out a lot. 135 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 2: And I'm like, oh, I'll do it. And mostly because 136 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 2: I am competitive person and because I wanted and not 137 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 2: really competitive against others, more competitive against myself, and so 138 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 2: I was like, can I do this? This is not 139 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 2: something I've ever done. And then the next day I 140 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 2: changed my life. I lost seventy pounds. I just became 141 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 2: like a different kind of I say, an athlete, and 142 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 2: I even struggle with that word, but it's true. I mean, 143 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 2: I train really hard. I trained six days a week. 144 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 2: I love it. I have a passion for it. And 145 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 2: I always go back and forth of like why is 146 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:04,880 Speaker 2: it hard to say the word athlete? It is hard, 147 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 2: you know, And I think it's because we don't believe 148 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 2: that we're deserving of that term. I totally agree. 149 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 1: I mean, I think we're so surrounded with these images 150 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 1: and conventional media that show us that athletes are people 151 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: that literally every single day they dedicate their entire day 152 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 1: to their craft and their sport. But that doesn't mean 153 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 1: that the everyday person can't be an athlete of their own. 154 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 2: I'm an artist, and that's like how I relate most 155 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:32,880 Speaker 2: is a creative, not a traditional like fine artist, but 156 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 2: a creative. And so I would never tell someone that 157 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 2: paints in their spare time that they're not an artist. 158 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 2: So why would I say someone that fitness is a 159 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 2: passion and they train really hard and they work hard 160 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 2: toward their goals. Why would I not call them an athlete? 161 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 2: And so I always have to like kind of reprogram 162 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 2: my brain that way of like you need to get 163 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 2: over your own bowl of not believing these things about 164 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:59,200 Speaker 2: yourself because they weren't always in your story and your framework. 165 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 2: And so so, yeah, I became an athlete. 166 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 1: Do you say that you really made a pivot and 167 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 1: changed your routine? What did that look like for you? 168 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 1: At first? 169 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:12,520 Speaker 2: I had no idea about anything fitness related, and most 170 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:15,079 Speaker 2: people would probably go to like something that they can 171 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 2: grasp really easily, like running or group classes or something 172 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 2: like that, and I was like not into it. I 173 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 2: was like I still hate running to this day, and 174 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 2: so I'm just like, Okay, what do I do. I 175 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:31,719 Speaker 2: don't want to run, and I definitely don't want to 176 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 2: go to a class where I'm like doing zoomba or 177 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 2: some crap. It's not me. I was like, this is 178 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 2: not definitely not me. Like dance cardio still the veine 179 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 2: of my existence. So I was like, what do I 180 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 2: like to do? What's something that interests me? And so 181 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:50,360 Speaker 2: what interested me was weightlifting, And so I actually went 182 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 2: that next day to the Brooklyn Library and I checked 183 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 2: out Arnold Schwartzenegger's Guide to Modern Bodybuilding. It's his Encyclopedia 184 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:00,959 Speaker 2: of Modern Bodybuilding. It's this huge book. I the lady 185 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 2: that was checking me out was like, thought I was insane. 186 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 1: I'm also immediately impressed that you have a library member 187 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:08,080 Speaker 1: like a library Oh. 188 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 2: Yeah at the time I did. Now I'm kind of like, 189 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:13,240 Speaker 2: you know, on that kindle beat. But I mean that's 190 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 2: one of those things. 191 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:16,440 Speaker 1: Literally every day I walk by one of the libraries, 192 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 1: often by Brian Park, and I say to myself, I'm 193 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 1: going to go there with a piece of mail and 194 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:21,200 Speaker 1: I'm going to get a library car. 195 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 2: It is pretty amazing, though, like of course, I didn't 196 00:10:23,280 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 2: want to become a bodybuilder. That was never the goal. 197 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 2: But it really talked a lot about form, and it 198 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 2: talked a lot about like the basic mechanics of weightlifting, 199 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:35,320 Speaker 2: and it's a really male centric book, but I was like, 200 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 2: I don't want to let this stop me from like 201 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 2: embracing you know this, because our bodies are our bodies. 202 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:42,680 Speaker 2: But I remember taking it home and I would like 203 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 2: take photos of my phone of the pages of what 204 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:49,080 Speaker 2: I wanted to do with the gym or learn, and 205 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 2: I would read it and I take my phone to 206 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 2: the gym and I would do the exercise, I would 207 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 2: learn it. And so for me, really and same with food, 208 00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 2: I followed like kind of a lower carb diet. I 209 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 2: learned about kytosis. I was learning about the body and 210 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 2: what worked for me, and I tried a couple different things, 211 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 2: and that just happened to be the thing that my 212 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 2: body and still is the thing that my body best 213 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 2: is suited towards. But what was the key to unlocking 214 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:18,079 Speaker 2: fitness for me was learning. And I think learning is 215 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 2: a really empowering thing, and I think that's why so 216 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 2: many women don't go into the gym or feel comfortable 217 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 2: going into weight room because they don't feel equipped with 218 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 2: the knowledge that they're going to do it right. And 219 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 2: we as women always want to do it right. We're 220 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:38,440 Speaker 2: so where we strive for this perfection rather than bravery 221 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:40,959 Speaker 2: or risk and just getting into it. Each year, I've 222 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 2: really in the past couple of years especially, I've tried 223 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 2: to learn a new sport quote unquote, and so last 224 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 2: year I was terrified of spin class. I'd never done 225 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:53,680 Speaker 2: a cycling class in my life. I was like a 226 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 2: gym rat. I was like, first of all, had never 227 00:11:56,440 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 2: done group fitness really besides yoga occasionally, and the idea 228 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 2: of a spin class to me was horrifying. And I 229 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:09,680 Speaker 2: remember going to Whole Cycle, the first class I ever did. 230 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 2: I felt so incredibly terrible at it, and I was like, oh, well, 231 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 2: feeling terrible that means you have to learn. And so 232 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:21,319 Speaker 2: again that learning piece kicked in for me, and I 233 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:24,680 Speaker 2: sat in class three days a week and I learned. 234 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 1: And it's very interesting that you went back after feeling 235 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 1: so terrible, because I think that's the barrier to entry again, 236 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:33,440 Speaker 1: this idea of not feeling like you're perfect right off 237 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: the bat. I mean I felt that way for sure, 238 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 1: without a doubt. When I started CrossFit a couple years ago, 239 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:40,719 Speaker 1: I walk in and you look at a bar bell 240 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:42,959 Speaker 1: and you see all these people lifting this insane amount 241 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 1: of weight over their head, and you're like, Okay, A, 242 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:47,440 Speaker 1: I am definitely not capable of that right now, and 243 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:49,679 Speaker 1: b do I even want to be capable of that. 244 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 1: So to get over your own self, to get out 245 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 1: of your own way and to go back into glass, 246 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 1: I think shows a lot of strength and confidence that 247 00:12:58,080 --> 00:12:59,440 Speaker 1: you're not going to give up right away. 248 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think we shy away from these things 249 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 2: that we're not good at because we don't believe that 250 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 2: we ever can be. And I think the fear of 251 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:14,319 Speaker 2: the fear of really like coming confronting the point of wow, 252 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 2: I may not be able to do this and that 253 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:19,679 Speaker 2: will be like very disappointing for me in the long term. 254 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:22,920 Speaker 2: Like that stops us. So you know, it's creating really 255 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 2: manageable expectations of like it's not just hard the first time, 256 00:13:25,679 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 2: it's hard the first ten times, and you won't be 257 00:13:27,760 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 2: good until time thirty, like and that's okay, And that's 258 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:36,440 Speaker 2: what's so great. Circling back to the fitness community on 259 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 2: Instagram and why I found it to be such a 260 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 2: special place is it was all these people cheering people 261 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 2: on at different stages in their journey, whether that be 262 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 2: someone that's a marathon runner to someone that is starting 263 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 2: their first work at home workout. Ever, people have differing 264 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:55,200 Speaker 2: views on if the fitness community is positive or negative 265 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 2: on social media. I found it very positive and I 266 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:01,439 Speaker 2: had really positive of experiences and maybe those are the 267 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 2: people that I followed or followed me, but really waking 268 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 2: up to seeing a lot of other people striving for 269 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:10,360 Speaker 2: the same things at the heart of bettering themselves was 270 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 2: super motivating for me. And I found this pocket of 271 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 2: the internet that became this really safe, fun, motivating, creative space, 272 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 2: and I was learning, they were learning, and we were 273 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 2: all sharing our kind of feelings about it, which was 274 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 2: really magical. Definitely magical. 275 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 1: So you lose the seventy pounds, which we share that 276 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 1: exact same number in common out Nope, we've ever talked 277 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 1: about that. So you lose the seventy pounds and you 278 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 1: find yourself in this place where you've now learned a 279 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 1: whole lot about yourself and about fitness, but you might 280 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 1: not be as happy as you had hoped. 281 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 2: So let's talk a little bit about that. I think 282 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 2: we all have in our minds that when we meet 283 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:54,280 Speaker 2: our goals or at least the fault schools we have 284 00:14:54,360 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 2: in our head that we will feel good and we 285 00:14:57,560 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 2: will feel better than we did before. And what was 286 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 2: so crazy is I started out at two hundred and 287 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 2: twenty five pounds not feeling bad. I felt good, you know, 288 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 2: and that was that was a thing. I was like, Well, 289 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 2: when I hit my goals or whatever it was, of 290 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 2: course I'm going to feel so much better. And what 291 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 2: I found was that my self esteem and my self 292 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 2: worth and my critique, my inner critique, was so much 293 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 2: greater when I after I lost weight, my finished and 294 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 2: I've probably gained back ten pounds since then. Of like 295 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 2: sanity weight and like in wine and like pizza, pizza, 296 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 2: and like having a sane life. That wasn't so crazy. 297 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 2: But I found myself at that that leanas state being 298 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 2: so overtaken by my concern of myself. First of all, 299 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 2: just always thinking about myself, what every external thing, how 300 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 2: that was going to affect my body, how you know, 301 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 2: I needed to get my workout and I needed to 302 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 2: have you know, these priorities. But then also I was 303 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 2: just like I became like selfishly, very addicted to people's 304 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 2: praise of me and of walking into a room and 305 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 2: having people say, oh my god, you look amazing, and 306 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:15,680 Speaker 2: I'm like, wait, wait, wait, I didn't need this before, 307 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 2: Like I walked into a room and felt amazing. I 308 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 2: didn't need a choir of people saying you did such 309 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 2: a good job, you look so great, You've made such 310 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 2: great progress. And I really had a step back and 311 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 2: be like, what is it currently that I don't need 312 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 2: to gain the seventy pounds back? But what is it 313 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 2: currently that's stopping me from being as happy as I was? 314 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 2: And it really took a pretty pretty like violent shaking 315 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 2: of myself internally and being like wake up, Like wake up, 316 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 2: find the girl in the two hundred and twenty pound, 317 00:16:56,720 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 2: five pound body. Find her. She can live in this 318 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 2: smaller body, but you have to find her again because 319 00:17:04,800 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 2: she was happy, she was content. And there's no way 320 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 2: that you can go on the internet and talk every 321 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:13,680 Speaker 2: day about self love and about you know, a deep 322 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 2: appreciation for oneself and pride in what you look like 323 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 2: and what you feel like and feel like absolute crap 324 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 2: on the inside, right torturing yourself and so you know, 325 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:27,159 Speaker 2: over the next like I probably took two months and 326 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 2: did an internal deep dive and was just like I 327 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 2: have to get back to that place. And I think 328 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,880 Speaker 2: it was a lot of I think sometimes we think 329 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 2: that to kind of fix ourselves internally, we have to 330 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:42,400 Speaker 2: turn inward. And really what helped me was turning out 331 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 2: more outward to people and being like what is important 332 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 2: besides me? Like, what are the things in my life 333 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 2: that are you know, I don't want to be the 334 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:56,920 Speaker 2: person that brings her tupperwaar to a dinner party. That sucks. 335 00:17:57,280 --> 00:18:01,359 Speaker 2: Like that person sucks. The tupperwak around sucks. Yeah, like 336 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 2: the tapperware sucks. Like I'm just gonna say the topperware sucks. 337 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:08,159 Speaker 2: And like I understand that sometimes these things are necessary 338 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:10,679 Speaker 2: to like be healthy and to meet your goals, but 339 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 2: I'm just saying I didn't want to give up my life, 340 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:17,879 Speaker 2: you know, to be a role model for people. I 341 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 2: wanted to be a role model for people because I 342 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:20,680 Speaker 2: was being true. 343 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 1: Right, So, aside from leaving the tupperware at home, what 344 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 1: else did you find you needed to do to really 345 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:28,159 Speaker 1: be true to that girl that was two hundred and 346 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:30,920 Speaker 1: twenty five pounds in your new body, I. 347 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 2: Think going back to the things that I really truly 348 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:35,719 Speaker 2: loved about myself. You know, what if the things that 349 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:38,359 Speaker 2: make me me? You know, I don't want to lose 350 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:41,440 Speaker 2: my uniqueness. I don't want to lose my creativity in 351 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:43,119 Speaker 2: the way I live or the way I think. I 352 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 2: don't want to just be put on a pedestal. I 353 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:48,359 Speaker 2: want to be down with people. People don't need to 354 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 2: aspire to be like you because of the things that 355 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:54,200 Speaker 2: you've done, Like people might aspire to be like you 356 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 2: because they relate to you and they can see a 357 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:59,719 Speaker 2: little piece of themselves in you. So for me, it 358 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:02,920 Speaker 2: was like, how do I go back to a place 359 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 2: that's true? How do I get out of a mode 360 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:10,959 Speaker 2: that's performative for others? How do I get to a 361 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:15,399 Speaker 2: place where I'm back to the person that walks in 362 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 2: the room and feels her inner praise rather than outer praise. 363 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 2: And you know, it's actually why I don't really talk 364 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:28,359 Speaker 2: about my transformation anymore on social media. I don't really 365 00:19:28,440 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 2: post frenchformation photos. I don't really talk about that because 366 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 2: I don't want anyone to feel like that's what they 367 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:39,400 Speaker 2: have to do to find worth change from a place 368 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:43,200 Speaker 2: of love, which is what I think I did initially, 369 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:47,679 Speaker 2: is so much more lasting and meaningful than change from 370 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 2: a place of negativity where you hate yourself. Right, And so, 371 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 2: one thing I've really been committed to on Instagram particular 372 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 2: is sharing kind of like all aspects of life, the 373 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 2: hard stuff, the heartbreak, the laziness, the lack of motivation, 374 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:09,680 Speaker 2: the hangovers, the really awesome stuff, the huge career making things. 375 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 2: And I think when you can tell a fuller story 376 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:17,919 Speaker 2: and talk about your pain, your joy, your worries, your sadness, 377 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 2: but also like your pride of yourself. You know. My 378 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 2: favorite thing is I probably run into two to three 379 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:27,880 Speaker 2: people from Instagram a day and running around New York. 380 00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 2: And what is so amazing is that people always have 381 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 2: the same reaction. They go and then they realize that 382 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 2: they don't know me, and it's such a beautiful moment 383 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 2: because I think what I've wanted to do was create 384 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 2: a friendship with people in relationship with people online, and 385 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:47,119 Speaker 2: so when they have that moment of I saw my 386 00:20:47,160 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 2: friend and then they it clicks into reality of I 387 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:53,439 Speaker 2: don't actually know this person. That to me, that moment 388 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 2: is exactly why I do what I do because there's 389 00:20:56,080 --> 00:21:00,239 Speaker 2: a familiarity, there's a relationship, there's a care there of 390 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 2: It's not like a celebrity moment like oh my god, 391 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:05,120 Speaker 2: oh my god, it's a friend. It's like they want 392 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 2: to talk to you. Yeah, And they often feel really 393 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 2: embarrassed by that, and I think it's beautiful. It's like 394 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 2: my most favorite thing about doing what I do. I 395 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 2: think one thing that's challenging is that I have I'm 396 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:18,879 Speaker 2: an EmPATH, so I always feel very empathetic for people. 397 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 2: I get about three hundred messages a day on Instagram, 398 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 2: and I answer all of them. Wow, I try to, 399 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:29,160 Speaker 2: even if it's like I'm working on them for two weeks, 400 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 2: I will get to the bottom eventually, you know. Some 401 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:34,199 Speaker 2: of them are like cute shirt, and some of them 402 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:37,160 Speaker 2: are like I am going through divorce and I don't 403 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 2: know what to do. And some of them are I'm 404 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 2: a kid and I hate what I look like. And 405 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:46,440 Speaker 2: some of them are people going through mental illness struggle. 406 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 2: I talk to a lot of them every day, which 407 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:52,199 Speaker 2: is like such a crazy thing that I talk to 408 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 2: probably one hundred people every day consistently that chime in 409 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:59,359 Speaker 2: every day. They check on me. We have little conversations 410 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:02,639 Speaker 2: during our day and people trust me in that way, 411 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 2: and that people want to connect in that way. It 412 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 2: makes me so humble. People want to be my friend 413 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 2: and they don't even know me, but they trust me, 414 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:16,360 Speaker 2: and I think that's like so amazing. I try to 415 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:19,880 Speaker 2: set people up for whatever type of help I can 416 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 2: give them, but understanding my own limitations as a human 417 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:27,159 Speaker 2: person that has their own life and their own struggles, 418 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:30,920 Speaker 2: their own joy, That's been a challenge, but I think 419 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:34,200 Speaker 2: I've learned how to manage it. You know, you want 420 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 2: to help everybody, and I think dealing with the fact 421 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,880 Speaker 2: that you can't is a challenging thing. 422 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:47,360 Speaker 1: What's one of the most rewarding interactions you've had recently? 423 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 2: It's so insane because I am not nice enough to 424 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 2: ever do this, but the messages I get on a 425 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:57,439 Speaker 2: daily basis of people writing me these long notes of 426 00:22:57,520 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 2: just saying thank you so much for impacting my life 427 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 2: on a day basis, and you've helped me more than 428 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 2: you ever know. There's so much underneath there that I 429 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,879 Speaker 2: know they want to say and they don't really have to, 430 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 2: and we kind of can share this moment of being 431 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 2: like wow, like this is a very symbiotic relationship, Like 432 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:18,160 Speaker 2: I get as much inspiration from people as they might 433 00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 2: for me. For the most part, I've encountered like human 434 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 2: kindness and a really raw form on a daily basis 435 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 2: for about two and a half years, and it makes 436 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:32,240 Speaker 2: me feel hopeful, it makes me feel empathetic, it makes 437 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 2: me feel more caring for the world in general. That's 438 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 2: why I'm like passionate about causes that affect women because 439 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,399 Speaker 2: I know women like I know them. I talk to 440 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 2: them all day every day. They tell me the most 441 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:47,399 Speaker 2: personal things, and like when you get to celebrate someone 442 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:52,119 Speaker 2: that's come and reached a goal or has changed their life, 443 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 2: or cry with someone that's had like the worst experience 444 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:58,920 Speaker 2: of their life, but they've come to you a stranger, 445 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,160 Speaker 2: Like that is a crazy thing. That is a crazy 446 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 2: thing in our world that people have trust for someone 447 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 2: that they don't even know. And I'm so absolutely bowled 448 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,919 Speaker 2: over by it. Every day I wake up with so 449 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 2: much that's you know, I was talking to someone the 450 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 2: other day and they're like, how the hell do you 451 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,160 Speaker 2: have as much energy for it? How do you get 452 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 2: up and answer the messages? How do you go to 453 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 2: the meetings, how do you constantly write things how do 454 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 2: you put it in? And I'm like, I have this 455 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,200 Speaker 2: bucket and as a whole at the bottom, and energy 456 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 2: seeps out, but faster than the energy can seep out, 457 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:38,439 Speaker 2: it's being refilled by people and the energy online, and 458 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 2: so you know, I never feel like my bucket is empty. 459 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,640 Speaker 1: Taking a break to quickly give the sponsor of today's episode, 460 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 1: Ultra a little bit. 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We've been 474 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,879 Speaker 1: hearing all about the wonderful compassion that she feels from 475 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:09,119 Speaker 1: her growing, bustling life on social media and the people 476 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:12,680 Speaker 1: that she gets to interact with lately and regularly. How 477 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,880 Speaker 1: has things changed for you since you've pivoted a little 478 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 1: bit onto doing more YouTube content. I think that's a 479 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 1: really interesting part of your entire social presence. 480 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 2: YouTube is strange. You know, you think that you're going 481 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,479 Speaker 2: to start up a YouTube account and then all of 482 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 2: those one hundred and thirty six thousand people are just 483 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 2: going to march on over to YouTube and follow you there, 484 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 2: And that's been a humbling experience because that is not 485 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 2: what happens. You play this little pride game. And I 486 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:42,439 Speaker 2: played this little pride game in my head where I 487 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 2: was like, no one's watching these dudios? Why am I 488 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:48,200 Speaker 2: even making I'm like, you make them because you make things, 489 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 2: because you are a person that makes things. You're creator, 490 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 2: and I was a person who made things before. And 491 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:58,480 Speaker 2: your kind of like, your value isn't dependent on how 492 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 2: many views you get or anything. So I'm going to 493 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,919 Speaker 2: keep creating YouTube videos. It's been really fun. It's been 494 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 2: a learning process. I'm so terrible at editing video. That's 495 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 2: been also a thing that I need outsource video editors 496 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,879 Speaker 2: love me now. Yeah, but it's been really interesting creating 497 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 2: like different kinds of content. I love creating content about 498 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,440 Speaker 2: beauty and doing Q and as and things like that. 499 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 2: I think video is our future of how everything will go. 500 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,720 Speaker 2: Which the writing side of me is really sad because 501 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 2: I love to write. I know you love to write. 502 00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 2: I feel that it's like a sad I'm like, I 503 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:36,920 Speaker 2: keep trying to keep it around. That's why I'm gonna 504 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,919 Speaker 2: write a book. And I'm still like I will write, 505 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:42,680 Speaker 2: but video is definitely where it's at. So it's been 506 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 2: fun totally. 507 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 1: What would you really say, like as a snippet or 508 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:49,240 Speaker 1: a day of the things that you execute for wellness 509 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,040 Speaker 1: in your life, Like what does wellness look like for 510 00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 1: you right now? 511 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,399 Speaker 2: Yeah? I think it's funny because people always are like, 512 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:57,400 Speaker 2: do you meditate? I'm like, I have a really extensive 513 00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 2: skin carroteene that I do and so that's my meditator. 514 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:05,360 Speaker 2: I'm like, does that count? I really I've tried meditating. 515 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 2: It's just not my thing. And I think I think 516 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 2: the really big thing with wellness is really find out 517 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 2: what works for you. Like, there's all these wellness trends, 518 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,600 Speaker 2: there's all these ridiculous things. If you don't If making 519 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:18,880 Speaker 2: a fifteen like ingredient latte in the morning with adaptagens 520 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 2: isn't your thing, don't do it. Drink a black coffee 521 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,679 Speaker 2: and move on with your life. I saw you tried bulletproof. 522 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 2: Oh I drink bulletproof. Bullet proof. I love bulletproof coffee. 523 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,159 Speaker 2: But my first experience with MC tea oil, I was 524 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:32,679 Speaker 2: always doing coconut oil in the butter and I use 525 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 2: the actual MC tea oil did not measure. Almost literally 526 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 2: lost my shit in then uber and I was like, 527 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:43,520 Speaker 2: I was like, okay, I need to regroup on this 528 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,680 Speaker 2: bulletproof coffee trend. But you know, I think the fun 529 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 2: thing about wellness is there's so many things to try, 530 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 2: and like it doesn't have to look the same for everyone. 531 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 2: So while someone's sitting on their meditation pillow at home, 532 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,479 Speaker 2: I am doing a lot of serums, you know, I 533 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 2: am doing I'm doing this. I'm doing all the serums, 534 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,719 Speaker 2: you know, And for me, that is a meditative, really 535 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 2: kind of like process that is just dedicated to me. 536 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,719 Speaker 2: It's me time. I listen to music, and I do 537 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 2: skincare in the morning and skincare at night. I love 538 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 2: making my coffee in a slow way in the morning. 539 00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 2: I like do a pour over coffee. I was just 540 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 2: gonna sayur over is totally on your agenda. Yeah, it's 541 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:26,120 Speaker 2: like relaxing. To me, it is a purposeful way to 542 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,200 Speaker 2: start my morning. And to me, that equates to wellness. 543 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 2: Some people are like, drinking coffee is that wellness. I'm like, well, 544 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 2: that's you're not your wellness, it's my wellness. And then 545 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:38,239 Speaker 2: every day waking up and exercising obviously, that's you know, 546 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 2: really important to me. And it what I find is 547 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 2: I always try to have hobbies, whether that be athletic 548 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:51,320 Speaker 2: or not, that I find if your body is moving 549 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 2: and your your mind is having to focus on doing 550 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:59,320 Speaker 2: an activity. And I've found this through exercise, and I've 551 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 2: found this in like ceramics, like I was doing ceramics 552 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,400 Speaker 2: last year a ton. But when your body is moving 553 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 2: and your brain has to use a percentage of itself 554 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 2: to focus on the physical activity, it actually clears a 555 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,479 Speaker 2: lot of the noise out of your brain and you 556 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 2: can It doesn't mean you don't think because I do 557 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 2: some of my best thinking, like in the middle of 558 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 2: a soul cycle class or in the middle of a 559 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 2: heavy workout. But I think it clears just enough amount 560 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:30,880 Speaker 2: of the noise for you to actually think deep thoughts 561 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,280 Speaker 2: and the really important stuff kind of floats to the top. 562 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:36,720 Speaker 2: And so people always ask me, like, how do you 563 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 2: have all these long captions that you write or long 564 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,000 Speaker 2: things that you write every day? How do you come 565 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:44,040 Speaker 2: up with them? And really, I start with usually an 566 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 2: idea of what I want to say or something that's 567 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 2: really like pressing in my mind, and then I usually, 568 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 2: like during exercise or another activity similar, I ruminate over 569 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,920 Speaker 2: it and I just let it spin and I let 570 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,240 Speaker 2: it spin and I let it spin and I focus 571 00:31:01,280 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 2: on it, and then I it Usually as soon as 572 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 2: I finished exercising, I know exactly what I'm going to say. Yeah, 573 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 2: And that's how I create ideas. And so for me, 574 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:16,480 Speaker 2: it's like that's a huge part of my wellness life 575 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:21,600 Speaker 2: is thinking, clearing out noise from my head. 576 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 1: What's like something else that's totally absurd that you're into 577 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 1: right now? 578 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 2: Cardi b Oh, she is kind of absurd. I love 579 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,200 Speaker 2: her so much. And here's why, Like people are gonna 580 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 2: be like, why do you like an ex strapper that 581 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 2: was on a terrible reality show. 582 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:35,960 Speaker 1: I also feel like we need a beat to establish 583 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,320 Speaker 1: for those that are not Cardi B familiar, Cardi B 584 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:39,200 Speaker 1: is also a singer. 585 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,040 Speaker 2: I know it's kind of crazy that people won't know. Yeah, 586 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 2: let me get the backstory. So Cardi B was on 587 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 2: a reality show. She used to be a stripper in 588 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 2: the Bronx. She's like New York born and bred. She 589 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:52,560 Speaker 2: is now a very popular artist in the music industry, 590 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 2: and she kind of this past year just kind of 591 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 2: blew up. And here's what I really like about her. 592 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:04,960 Speaker 2: She is certifiably herself. She is one hundred percent herself, 593 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 2: and I have never seen someone that's in the public 594 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:11,240 Speaker 2: eye be so themselves almost to a fault, like almost 595 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:13,840 Speaker 2: to where people would be like, you are ridiculous human being. 596 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 2: But it is not for anybody but her. You know. 597 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 2: It's an uncurated, crazy in a good way, kind of 598 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:29,720 Speaker 2: just spotlight on a human And I love that she 599 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,600 Speaker 2: kind of hasn't been around long enough to find this 600 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:38,040 Speaker 2: very curated personality. I love that no one's media training 601 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,840 Speaker 2: her to change her. Yeah, is no, She's just insane 602 00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:45,440 Speaker 2: and she's just like insane in such a great refreshing way. 603 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 2: And so, you know, people have their complaints with her, 604 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 2: people have like things to say about everyone, but I 605 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,320 Speaker 2: love that she's just so incredibly herself and I think 606 00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 2: she's like she is like a version of modern feminism. 607 00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 2: I don't think she's like the ultimate feminie certainly, but 608 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,920 Speaker 2: I love that, like her version of feminism is doing 609 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,120 Speaker 2: whatever the hell she wants to do. If we could 610 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,360 Speaker 2: all just be like a little bit of Cardi B, 611 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:11,880 Speaker 2: just a little, I mean, like maybe we should get 612 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:16,360 Speaker 2: her like long claw like nails like, but I'm like, 613 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 2: oh man, if we could just all have a little, 614 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:23,960 Speaker 2: just a pinky nail version of Cardi B in us, 615 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:25,720 Speaker 2: that would be amazing. 616 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 1: Aside from Cardi B, who else do you find that 617 00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,120 Speaker 1: you look up to on the regular. 618 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,520 Speaker 2: I used to look up to a lot of people, 619 00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:39,520 Speaker 2: but I found myself looking up to people to compare 620 00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,480 Speaker 2: myself to them. Comparison is the thief of joy. Yeah, 621 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 2: And so I am always so inspired by the people 622 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,200 Speaker 2: that are doing all the things that I'm doing without lights, 623 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,800 Speaker 2: camera action, and they don't have the reward of an 624 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,440 Speaker 2: audience of one hundred and thirty something thousand people clapping 625 00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:58,080 Speaker 2: for them. They don't get to do the photo shoots, 626 00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 2: they don't get the gifts, they don't get the special experiences. 627 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,520 Speaker 2: They're doing it because they that's who they are. And 628 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:06,560 Speaker 2: I think I get really inspired by that, So I 629 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,880 Speaker 2: really like, you know, then this was part of the 630 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,399 Speaker 2: process of me kind of coming off a pedestal and 631 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:16,680 Speaker 2: coming back down to earth. It was this thing of 632 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:22,399 Speaker 2: being like, Okay, what inspires me. It's having to be reinspired, 633 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 2: it's having to change what inspires you, you know, rather 634 00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:26,919 Speaker 2: than looking up and looking out. 635 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:30,160 Speaker 1: Definitely, I do want to take a beat quickly at 636 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,160 Speaker 1: least to touch upon some of the brands that I 637 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,200 Speaker 1: know you work with. I know you're an Adidas Global Ambassador. 638 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,239 Speaker 1: Why don't you tell me and explain a little bit 639 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,200 Speaker 1: about what that means for you being part on that 640 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:43,120 Speaker 1: team with them. 641 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,680 Speaker 2: Well, first of all, it's just such such a huge deal, 642 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,680 Speaker 2: Like it's such an honor to be backed by a 643 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:54,359 Speaker 2: brand that so believes in you. And and I never 644 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:58,560 Speaker 2: really thought I would feel so strongly about a company, 645 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:03,120 Speaker 2: like it's a company who cares, right, It's just it's shoes, 646 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,279 Speaker 2: it's clothes, like whatever, but I realized through working with 647 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,279 Speaker 2: them over the last two years, like it has been 648 00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:12,800 Speaker 2: so much more than that. For me, it was finding 649 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:17,960 Speaker 2: people that wanted to elevate voices and the fact that 650 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,759 Speaker 2: they even care that my voice is one of the 651 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:25,560 Speaker 2: ones elevated is so insane to me. But what I 652 00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:29,759 Speaker 2: find most beautiful is from the top down, from the 653 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,440 Speaker 2: CEO who I've met. I remember we I went to 654 00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,799 Speaker 2: Germany and I met the CEO and the first thing 655 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,200 Speaker 2: he said to us was I want to apologize. His 656 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,799 Speaker 2: name is Casper and I and we were all kind 657 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,600 Speaker 2: of like apologize. What's why would you apologize? You're the 658 00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:45,960 Speaker 2: CEO of the best sports brand in the world. And 659 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:49,120 Speaker 2: he said, I apologize that we don't have more women 660 00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,000 Speaker 2: working in high up positions and I want you to 661 00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:54,200 Speaker 2: know that I'm working on it. I'm new here. And 662 00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:59,680 Speaker 2: I was like, day okay, Casper, I see you and 663 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:01,920 Speaker 2: I and I was like, that is the kind of 664 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,360 Speaker 2: company from the top down that I want to represent. 665 00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,160 Speaker 2: Is someone that in a moment of being able to 666 00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,920 Speaker 2: have all this pomp and circumstance of like welcome to 667 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:13,799 Speaker 2: this big HQ in Germany, the best sportsman in the world, 668 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,279 Speaker 2: the first thing he started out with was an apology 669 00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,200 Speaker 2: that we weren't represented and then he was going to 670 00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:22,879 Speaker 2: work on that, and that to me was like, that 671 00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:27,719 Speaker 2: is the type of ethos that needs to be within 672 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:28,680 Speaker 2: the brands I work with. 673 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,120 Speaker 1: Right, So, you're doing you're doing photoshoots with them, You're 674 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:36,840 Speaker 1: doing you're you're obviously giving them feedback on their product whatever, 675 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:38,640 Speaker 1: some of the other things that you do with them. 676 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:42,319 Speaker 2: I do speaking appearances on behalf of them. We should commercials, 677 00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,040 Speaker 2: do a lot of events. And one thing that I've 678 00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,960 Speaker 2: really loved that they've empowered me to do is host 679 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,840 Speaker 2: events where I can invite people that are you know, 680 00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:56,400 Speaker 2: I hate saying followers online, friends online. And what it's 681 00:36:56,440 --> 00:37:00,440 Speaker 2: created is this like amazing opportunity for me to sync 682 00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:03,360 Speaker 2: up with the people that follow me and I just 683 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:05,879 Speaker 2: love that so much, and they want to do more 684 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,000 Speaker 2: of that. And it's not about I want people to 685 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:11,520 Speaker 2: meet me. It's that I am so excited when they 686 00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,960 Speaker 2: meet each other. Yeah, and it's so hard to make friends, 687 00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:19,000 Speaker 2: you know, as an adult woman, I think in cities 688 00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,200 Speaker 2: all over the world, and I actually have meetups kind 689 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,200 Speaker 2: of all over whenever I travel as much as I 690 00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:27,440 Speaker 2: possibly can and I just invite people to come out 691 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,399 Speaker 2: to dinner or come grab a drink or something like that, 692 00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:32,920 Speaker 2: because really I'm passionate about women becoming friends, and I 693 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:36,560 Speaker 2: think so many people don't know how to make friends 694 00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,400 Speaker 2: as an adult because you either have those college friends 695 00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,920 Speaker 2: they don't relate to anymore, or you have your work friends, 696 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:47,080 Speaker 2: and it's really hard to meet people with interests you 697 00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:49,799 Speaker 2: know that you share. And so I love that they 698 00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,839 Speaker 2: empower me to do that and to connect women. And 699 00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:55,960 Speaker 2: what is some of the most special things are I 700 00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,400 Speaker 2: hear people all the time and they write me messages 701 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:00,520 Speaker 2: and they say I met one of my friends at 702 00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:04,360 Speaker 2: one of your meetups, and I'm like, holy hell, that 703 00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,160 Speaker 2: is amazing. That is exactly what I want in the world. 704 00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,080 Speaker 1: I have two more questions I want to ask you. 705 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:12,440 Speaker 1: The first question is you do a lot on the regular. 706 00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:14,520 Speaker 1: You work with a lot of brands, you interact with 707 00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:16,400 Speaker 1: a lot of people. There's just a lot going on. 708 00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:18,359 Speaker 1: Things can't be perfect all the time. 709 00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:18,720 Speaker 2: Nope. 710 00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:23,000 Speaker 1: So do you have this is un borrowing it from 711 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,320 Speaker 1: faris do you have a favorite. 712 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:31,640 Speaker 2: Failure my life? Honestly, every success I have is the 713 00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:36,600 Speaker 2: child of a couple of failures. Failure isn't failing. It 714 00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:39,440 Speaker 2: doesn't have a definite point, and it's kind of like, 715 00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,840 Speaker 2: you know, at a bowling alley, there's like bumpers on 716 00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,839 Speaker 2: the sides of the bowling the bowling lane, and the 717 00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,000 Speaker 2: ball kind of hits the bumper and you're like, I 718 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,000 Speaker 2: messed up, but those bumpers are actually guiding you to 719 00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:55,000 Speaker 2: where the ball needs to go. And for me, you know, 720 00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:59,840 Speaker 2: I think my favorite failure was that class pass failure. 721 00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,440 Speaker 2: It was the first job I'd applied for in eight years. 722 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:04,960 Speaker 2: I had no idea what the hell I was doing, 723 00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:08,319 Speaker 2: and having someone say no to me for really the 724 00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:12,480 Speaker 2: first time in my life, but continuing forward being like, well, 725 00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:14,520 Speaker 2: they said no, but I'm just going to keep doing 726 00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:18,160 Speaker 2: this thing because I genuinely love it and the fact 727 00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:20,799 Speaker 2: that I do what I do now and I get 728 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,640 Speaker 2: to travel around the world and talk to people about themselves, 729 00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:26,719 Speaker 2: and then I get the opportunity to have a platform 730 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:30,920 Speaker 2: to empower people to do things because I messed up 731 00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:35,040 Speaker 2: and I wasn't good enough at that point for that thing. 732 00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,760 Speaker 2: You know, I think it's like, how can you separate 733 00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:41,600 Speaker 2: I was good enough at the thing I was doing 734 00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,480 Speaker 2: with the social media thing, but I wasn't cut out 735 00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:45,200 Speaker 2: for the job. 736 00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:47,799 Speaker 1: I will say also, as a side note, that it's 737 00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,840 Speaker 1: pretty impressive you made a separate social media profile just 738 00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,000 Speaker 1: for this purposes of the job interview. 739 00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,160 Speaker 2: I thought it was a really cool idea. I was like, 740 00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:57,560 Speaker 2: they're a good idea. I was like, they're going to 741 00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:00,360 Speaker 2: love this, They're going to totally die. And they were like, 742 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,680 Speaker 2: you have three hundred followers. I'm like, yeah, but I 743 00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:04,080 Speaker 2: think i'd be good at it. They're like, we can't 744 00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:06,239 Speaker 2: hire people we think that think they'd be good at things. 745 00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:09,359 Speaker 2: I'm like, totally fair, but you know what the thing is, like, 746 00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:13,720 Speaker 2: if I would have stopped there and said, my voice 747 00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:19,440 Speaker 2: doesn't matter, my presence doesn't matter, three hundred people don't matter. 748 00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:21,600 Speaker 2: If I would have said that at that point, and 749 00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:25,120 Speaker 2: I would have accepted that failure as truth and as 750 00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:28,360 Speaker 2: a finality, Like, if I would have accepted that failure 751 00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,520 Speaker 2: as failing, then I would never be doing what I 752 00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:35,080 Speaker 2: would be doing today. I'd probably I'm sure I would 753 00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,760 Speaker 2: be happy, you know, I'm sure I would have found happiness. 754 00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,800 Speaker 2: I don't think that, you know, just because you don't 755 00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:43,120 Speaker 2: take a path or you've taken the right path or 756 00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:45,600 Speaker 2: whatever that the other thing would have been terrible. But 757 00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:50,880 Speaker 2: I just think I so feel every day free to 758 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:55,600 Speaker 2: fail now because I've seen how my failures have been 759 00:40:56,120 --> 00:40:58,239 Speaker 2: just they've been my navigation. 760 00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:00,719 Speaker 1: You started to kind of I'm in on this, So 761 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,840 Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you give one other piece of advice, 762 00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:07,200 Speaker 1: one item that you would tell yourself. The girl who 763 00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,960 Speaker 1: got ama globely let go from her job, looking back 764 00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,000 Speaker 1: at that time, right now, what would you say to her. 765 00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,000 Speaker 2: I did this, and I would repeat it to myself, 766 00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,719 Speaker 2: is think about the worst case scenario. People al don't 767 00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:22,480 Speaker 2: think of the worst case scenario. Think positively, No, think 768 00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,200 Speaker 2: of the worst thing that can happen to you. And 769 00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:27,439 Speaker 2: then what I realized was the worst thing that could 770 00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:32,120 Speaker 2: ever happen to me was a lot of people's normal 771 00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:36,680 Speaker 2: situation and need to be really grateful for that and 772 00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:40,120 Speaker 2: coming from a place of gratitude of my worst case 773 00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:44,520 Speaker 2: scenario is a lot of people's hope. And so also 774 00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:48,360 Speaker 2: the worst case scenario isn't usually that bad, like you 775 00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:54,600 Speaker 2: will figure it out. And anytime I get scared still, 776 00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:58,400 Speaker 2: you know about I mean, really, my life is different. 777 00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:04,680 Speaker 2: Every day. My finances are wrapped up into how much 778 00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:06,799 Speaker 2: people want me to be a part of their thing, 779 00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:11,680 Speaker 2: you know, and and I don't have you know, I 780 00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:15,320 Speaker 2: have a stable income, but I don't have a promised income. 781 00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:18,920 Speaker 2: I don't have promised work. I don't have any of 782 00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,480 Speaker 2: those things. I don't have a promised audience. Instagram could 783 00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:24,840 Speaker 2: be deleted tomorrow, But I have to say, the worst 784 00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:28,759 Speaker 2: case scenario is that I would figure it out. And 785 00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:31,000 Speaker 2: I think if I could go back and tell myself 786 00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:34,440 Speaker 2: that again and again, of go over your like, go 787 00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:38,839 Speaker 2: over the most negative thing that could happen, and realize 788 00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:43,600 Speaker 2: that that negativity is something that you can work with, 789 00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:49,160 Speaker 2: you know. And I think if people just considered that 790 00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:51,800 Speaker 2: a little bit more, maybe there would be less fear, 791 00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:53,920 Speaker 2: or at least the fear would be more manageable. 792 00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:57,239 Speaker 1: That's awesome. I think this is like the most beautiful 793 00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:00,359 Speaker 1: note to end on. I'm so happy that I had 794 00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:02,879 Speaker 1: you in here today. I'm so happy to be here, 795 00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:05,279 Speaker 1: so fun. I feel like we could sit here and 796 00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:05,759 Speaker 1: talk for. 797 00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:08,320 Speaker 2: Like ten hours, I know, and then people might stop listening. 798 00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:11,719 Speaker 2: And that's definitely unsubscribed this podcast, But you should subscribe 799 00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:12,799 Speaker 2: to this podcast if you. 800 00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:17,000 Speaker 1: Are, please, if you haven't done so yet, subscribe to 801 00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,960 Speaker 1: Hurdle give it a little love in the iTunes store. 802 00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,239 Speaker 1: Also rate the podcast and leave a quick review by 803 00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:25,960 Speaker 1: clicking the link with the description to this episode. 804 00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:27,080 Speaker 2: Tell me what you. 805 00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,799 Speaker 1: Love, what you didn't love so much, but ideally you'll 806 00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,480 Speaker 1: be nice, And also tell me who else you want 807 00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:36,360 Speaker 1: to hear on Hurdle. 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