1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They called 6 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 1: me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer 7 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:37,200 Speaker 1: Alexis code named Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you are you. 8 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 1: You are here, and that makes this stuff they don't 9 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:45,560 Speaker 1: want you to know. It's our weekly listener male segment. 10 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 1: Once again, we have an embarrassment of riches. Also, we 11 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 1: peek behind the scenes fellow conspiracy realists. We usually spend 12 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 1: about five to ten minutes catching up on a bunch 13 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 1: of stuff that doesn't make it to air one day soon. Guys, 14 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:05,320 Speaker 1: I think it would be worth having a behind the 15 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:09,119 Speaker 1: scenes stuff they don't want you to know. But that's 16 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 1: a story for another day, because what you'll find out 17 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 1: in today's episode is that several of our fellow listeners 18 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:20,600 Speaker 1: think there's a lot going on behind the scenes. Uh, 19 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: not just in the US, not just on this podcast, 20 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 1: but around the world. And as you know, we endeavor 21 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: to be kind of like the Moray eel. When we 22 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 1: bite into a story, we don't let go just because 23 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 1: the news cycle has shifted. So our first story today 24 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 1: is a piece of correspondence updating on a mystery that 25 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 1: haunted us. Gosh, when when was that? Knowal it was? Yeah, 26 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 1: it was in two thousand eighteen, early September, because when 27 00:01:55,920 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: the news broke of these strange illnesses that were striking 28 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 1: US embassy workers in Cuba, uh, that were linked to 29 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:12,360 Speaker 1: some kind of weird, futuristic sounding technology. UM, and we 30 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 1: we definitely have a very interesting update on that. That 31 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:19,240 Speaker 1: came from Shawnee L who wrote, I thought you might 32 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:22,000 Speaker 1: find this interesting. Lots of people in India are sick, 33 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 1: thinking this is what it was, and then linked to 34 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 1: a Wall Street Journal article, UM, the headline of which 35 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 1: is US diplomats illnesses likely linked to pulsed energy attacks. 36 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 1: So let's let's rewind back to September one, when this 37 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: article in the New York Times came out microwave weapons 38 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:49,560 Speaker 1: are prime suspect in ills of U s embassy workers. UM. 39 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 1: A group of doctors and scienceists were able to um 40 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 1: kind of analyze the symptoms that were kind of affecting 41 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: afflicting these embassy workers and decided that actual brain damage 42 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 1: was a possibility UM, but also included delusions and hallucinations 43 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: of like kind of sonic varieties UM. And it was 44 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 1: not only hitting the workers themselves but also their family 45 00:03:17,280 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 1: members and Ben, this was something that I think you 46 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 1: brought to the table in an episode we did way 47 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 1: back when, just about sonic weaponry in general or this 48 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:29,399 Speaker 1: kind of this this sort of genre of weapon. Isn't 49 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: that right? Yeah, that's correct. This sounds like science fiction 50 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:38,680 Speaker 1: to a lot of people, But unfortunately that is that 51 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 1: is not the case. Uh. This would be categorized as 52 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 1: a form of non lethal weaponry similar to very very 53 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 1: low tech things like rubber bullets or pepper spray, along 54 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: with the crowd control or crowd dispersal technology which we've 55 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 1: seen deployed in various protests. And I used the term 56 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 1: sonic weaponry because that was the subject of the episode 57 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 1: that I think this topic came up. And but this 58 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:10,279 Speaker 1: would be more like a low level radiation or microwave 59 00:04:10,680 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 1: UM weapons and and the one of the crowd dispersal 60 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:16,120 Speaker 1: weapons you're talking about, the quote unquote non lethal UM 61 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 1: that we were seeing kind of deployed in some of 62 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:22,840 Speaker 1: these recent protests is a sonic kind of cannon that 63 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 1: reportedly makes people feel like their skin is burning. Yeah. Yeah, 64 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:34,679 Speaker 1: it's extremely unpleasant. And that isn't exactly what the folks 65 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 1: in Cuba and several other embassies were experiencing. There's was 66 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 1: seemed to be more neurological in in nature, which is 67 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:46,159 Speaker 1: interesting to me. So I'm wondering if it's a a 68 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 1: variation on that technology. Yeah, and and and it actually 69 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 1: has a pretty interesting history. Um. In the original New 70 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:56,920 Speaker 1: York Times article that I was talking about by William J. 71 00:04:57,080 --> 00:05:01,479 Speaker 1: Broad Uh, it opens talking about some Cold War kind 72 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: of paranoia that Washington had that the Russians were trying 73 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 1: to turn microwave radiation into mind control weapons. Um. This 74 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: is not that, but it is potentially using that same technology, 75 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: uh to sicken people from a distance. And this Uh 76 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 1: there have been some ongoing updates just because this story 77 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 1: seemed so bizarre at the time when it occurred, because 78 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 1: either either possibility was disturbing. The first possibility would be 79 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:41,159 Speaker 1: that there is some sort of psychological illness, which the 80 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: State Department under Pompeio implied. Many people saw that as 81 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 1: incredibly dismissive, right, so the idea that these people were 82 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 1: just sort of experiencing something akin to a hallucination. Uh. 83 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 1: And then the other idea that someone had the to 84 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 1: make charity to deploy a weapon like this on the 85 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 1: on the employees of the world's most powerful military. That's 86 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 1: that's scary. That's what diplomats will call a bellicost action. 87 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:16,280 Speaker 1: We shall also point out it occurred first in Cuba, 88 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 1: than in China, than in Russia, than in several other countries. 89 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 1: So there was there was a pattern, but this one't 90 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 1: ull uh. As it's taking place or this story is 91 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 1: alleged to take place on the border with China and India. 92 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 1: That border in particular is something that we noted in 93 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:39,599 Speaker 1: the past as a potential hot spot and potential origin 94 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 1: point for a a hot war. There's actually there's a 95 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:47,080 Speaker 1: treaty that the or an agreement I should say, that 96 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: China and India have about this border where where they 97 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 1: both agreed not to have any members of their armed 98 00:06:55,000 --> 00:07:00,120 Speaker 1: forces carry firearms. And these guys regularly and reese at 99 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:02,720 Speaker 1: lea have just beaten shipped out of each other with 100 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:06,679 Speaker 1: sticks and stones. It's it's terrifying to think what would 101 00:07:06,680 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 1: happen if there were high tech weapons of war deployed there. Yeah, 102 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:14,600 Speaker 1: so it's like the diplomatic equivalent of like beating someone 103 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 1: up with like a foam book, so it doesn't leave 104 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 1: a mark, you know. Yeah, there's oranges, bag of oranges, 105 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: you know, socks loaded with quarters, any of those. UM. 106 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 1: But so the symptoms that are identical to the ones 107 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 1: that we discussed in that article from two thousand eighteen 108 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 1: UM include fatigue, nausea, anxiety, cognitive difficulties, memory loss, UH, dizziness, headaches. 109 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 1: Might have said dizziness twice, but it was described as 110 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 1: quote unlike any disorder in the neurological or general medical literature. UM. 111 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 1: And and and in this this updated story, UM, you know, 112 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 1: in this conflict on the border UM in India between 113 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: India and China, UH, it's US and Canadian diplomats that 114 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 1: are being afflicted by these uh. And there was a 115 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 1: panel that was assembled of nineteen scientists and medical experts 116 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 1: that took a look at the data and and the 117 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: symptoms and made this assessment that it only could have 118 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 1: been caused by a quote directed radio frequency energy attack UM, 119 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 1: rather than some kind of you know, accidental environmental exposure. Yeah, 120 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 1: it's fascinating stuff. And there was a quote here from 121 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 1: the BBC article that and the quote is from the 122 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 1: BBC article, but it's actually written in this report that 123 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 1: recently came out, and it was looking into the effects 124 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 1: that occurred in Russia, and here's the quote. Significant research 125 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 1: in Russia USS are into the effects of pulsed rather 126 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 1: than continuous wave radio frequency exposures. UM. The Eurasian communist 127 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 1: countries had also been exposed to something, but it was 128 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 1: they're calling it non on thermal radiation. That's what it's 129 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 1: being referred to there. It's a really stupid question, you guys. 130 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 1: But yeah, I say, don't stand too close to the 131 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 1: microwave and all that stuff. I mean, this is what 132 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 1: we're talking about. Are we talking about just like a 133 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:16,199 Speaker 1: more focused version of the type of energy that is 134 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 1: emitted by a microwave oven. Yeah, So to break it 135 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:23,439 Speaker 1: down to get back to my house, stuff works roots here. Uh, 136 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 1: microwave weapons have a similar effect like an oven. So 137 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 1: you know, microwaves heat water molecules, right, That's that's what 138 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 1: they do, and that's why they heat things a little 139 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:41,319 Speaker 1: bit differently than you're a conventional oven. Microwave weapons can 140 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:46,559 Speaker 1: use this same technology, this same process to heat water 141 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 1: molecules in your body. It's weird because I don't know 142 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:53,560 Speaker 1: if you guys ever did this. UM. I tried to 143 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 1: make confession. I tried to make a microwave weapon when 144 00:09:56,600 --> 00:10:00,120 Speaker 1: I was a kid. It's old microwave. I mean, some 145 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 1: friends took it to a junkyard and we cleaned out 146 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 1: this abandoned tractor trailer and we ran like an electrical 147 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 1: cord and we detached uh, you know, the covering and 148 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 1: the door and stuff, and then we uh we plugged 149 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 1: it in and and ran away, or well, we plugged 150 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:21,199 Speaker 1: in from some distance. We were stupid. It didn't work. 151 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 1: But someone's figured it out. Someone was smarter than I 152 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 1: was at h nine I have. I don't know what 153 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 1: to say about that end. I you're okay. I'm glad 154 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 1: you're okay, is what I will say to that. UM. 155 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 1: It's true, though, Ben, someone does seem to have figured 156 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: it out. But yet we were talking off air about this, 157 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 1: like it's not like you can look up a schematic 158 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 1: for what this thing is, or that it even has 159 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 1: a name. We're kind of describing the symptoms of a 160 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 1: weapon that you know, for all intents and purposes may 161 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 1: or may not exist, right you do, no, Like, Yeah, 162 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 1: go ahead, I bet you can find it in the 163 00:10:57,559 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 1: patents that the the U. S govern think. I'll help you. 164 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 1: I'll help you guys out here. China has displayed at 165 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 1: least their version of something like this in the past. 166 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 1: It's the poly WB DASH one and call it a 167 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:22,199 Speaker 1: millimeter wave weapon and it does the same thing. It 168 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:26,719 Speaker 1: heats the water under your skin. So it's considered a 169 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 1: non lethal grey gun. But again non lethal comes with 170 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:33,719 Speaker 1: a lot of coffeatts and asterix. So if you if 171 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:37,680 Speaker 1: you search for Polly w B Dash one, then you'll 172 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 1: be able to see a little bit more about this. Uh. 173 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 1: It's what would be called like an active denial system 174 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 1: in a report. From what you can see is that 175 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:54,440 Speaker 1: the technology is there, but it's not perfect. This system 176 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:59,320 Speaker 1: takes at least the one that publicly displayed inten took 177 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 1: about sixteen hours to warm up, so you had to 178 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 1: kind of predict where people were going to be more 179 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 1: than half a day later. Wow, Well it's funny. Well 180 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:11,560 Speaker 1: it's not funny. It's kind of terrifying. It's it's referred 181 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 1: to in a lot of writing as I'm googling this 182 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:20,320 Speaker 1: as a pain gun. Oh quick, sorry, guys, quick correction 183 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 1: on my part, I got my microwaves crossed here. The 184 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 1: ADS active Denial system is the US version of what 185 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 1: China's doing. China's is or one of them is the 186 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:35,839 Speaker 1: Polly WB dash one. But do you Uncle Sam has 187 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 1: one too? Okay, so this is a little less clandestine 188 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 1: maybe than I had originally thought. But what's the what's 189 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:45,320 Speaker 1: the mystery here? Then? Like like the question is like 190 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:48,680 Speaker 1: who's using it? On? Whom is it? Uh? It's obviously 191 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:51,960 Speaker 1: being done covertly. It's not like a form of crowd control, 192 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:54,080 Speaker 1: Like is this a stronger weapon because it can be 193 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 1: deployed from farther away. I was kind of interested in, 194 00:12:56,960 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 1: like where the how this is different? And like all 195 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 1: of these write ups that I'm seeing about you know, 196 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:05,960 Speaker 1: devices like this. Yeah, yeah, So one of the big 197 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 1: differences would be, uh, the degree of efficacy of the weapon. Right, 198 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 1: So the stuff that we're seeing reported on now is 199 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:21,200 Speaker 1: not like a handheld pistol, Right, it's not. It's not 200 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:26,360 Speaker 1: a pain pistol, but there might be there might be 201 00:13:26,440 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 1: something like that that's just classified spycraft. Loves tiny things, 202 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 1: you know, It's true. It does love the the covert 203 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 1: version of whatever the thing is, right, and the version 204 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 1: of the thing, at least currently that we know of 205 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:45,680 Speaker 1: is a giant almost looks like radar dish mounted on 206 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 1: you know, a Humby or some of their large vehicle. 207 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:52,200 Speaker 1: That's what that's what the heat rays are at least 208 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 1: active denial system um. But in these cases, you're dealing 209 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:01,440 Speaker 1: with people who are having these effects, who are inside 210 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:04,439 Speaker 1: their interior there in an embassy a lot of times, 211 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 1: in a hotel a lot of times. And it's not 212 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 1: as though you could easily deploy a system like that 213 00:14:11,520 --> 00:14:14,680 Speaker 1: that's mounted on the ground level and just aimed up, 214 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:17,560 Speaker 1: you know, at the third floor or even the twentieth 215 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 1: floor or whatever. I don't imagine that it would be 216 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 1: effective in that way. And if you did do that, 217 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 1: you would have to have your vehicle somewhere parked nearby 218 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 1: a government facility, So you would have to, Yeah, you 219 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 1: would have to retro fit an entire uh nearby structure, 220 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 1: and it would have to be within about uh from 221 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 1: what we know, would have to be in about a 222 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 1: point six mile radius, so it would be easy to 223 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 1: search that radius to find something like that. It's it's 224 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 1: an elephant that's difficult to hide. But we should also 225 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 1: point out this kind of technology, at least micro weaponized 226 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: microwaves are an old, old idea. Me and my friends 227 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 1: weren't the first people who thought of this, And whomever 228 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 1: is designing the current weaponry, whomever is responsible for these 229 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 1: alleged attacks, if they are microwave weapons, they're not the 230 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 1: first people to think of it. The Soviet Union bombarded 231 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 1: the American embassy in Moscow with microwaves, and like the 232 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:21,880 Speaker 1: nineteen seventies, it's spooky, spooky stuff, so it certainly feels 233 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 1: like it could be something that was being done again. 234 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and it's it's fascinating because it's not something 235 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 1: that would necessarily kill anyone, but it would cause probably 236 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 1: the same reaction that we saw where officials are being 237 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 1: forced to evacuate those buildings and leave their posts. YEA, sure, 238 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 1: really quickly. I do want to I think I was 239 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 1: a little unclear or maybe even misleading at the top. 240 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 1: The listener who was writing in is clearly I believe 241 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 1: is from India and connecting this announcement of the scientific 242 00:15:55,480 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 1: panel describing these diplomats falling ill as having likely caused 243 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 1: by these weapons were talking about. The India story is separate. 244 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 1: There there are reports of people in India getting sick, 245 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 1: but there but this is just conjecture on the part 246 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 1: of the listener. So everything we've talked about is is 247 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 1: completely relevant. But I just want to make sure that 248 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 1: was clear. This is absolutely an update to that original 249 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 1: story from Cuba, from that from that embassy. Totally double stories. 250 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 1: It's like it's like a double sized comic book. Exact 251 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 1: anybody in the audience remembers those Uh yeah, here's the thing. 252 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 1: They'll follow up on that tangentially related story about microwave 253 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 1: weapons at the Line of Actual Control, which is the 254 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 1: name of the very intense China India border. The Indian 255 00:16:42,240 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 1: Army rejected the claims that there were microwave weapons used 256 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 1: to attack Indian soldiers. So the wrong party is saying 257 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 1: it didn't happen. I wonder why. Okay, I mean, diplomacy 258 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 1: is hell of a drug, you know it? Uh but yeah, no, 259 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 1: this is this is something And then you gotta start thinking, like, 260 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:10,240 Speaker 1: is this the kind you know hell aways Think of 261 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 1: that scene in Back through the Future when Marty McFly 262 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:16,600 Speaker 1: is trying to trick you know, his young version of 263 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:19,119 Speaker 1: his father played by Crispin Glover into like asking a 264 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:21,199 Speaker 1: laying out to the dance or whatever. And so he 265 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 1: puts on this like uh, you know, breaking bad kind 266 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:26,879 Speaker 1: of hazard suit with his gas mask on, and then 267 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:30,359 Speaker 1: he puts the headphones on, you know, George McFly is 268 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 1: he's sleeping, and then blasts him with van Halen and 269 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:36,400 Speaker 1: he's like debilitated where he's like under the control of 270 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:39,440 Speaker 1: of Marty, who he thinks as a space alien. Um. 271 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:41,119 Speaker 1: That's what I always think of when I think of 272 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:43,639 Speaker 1: like the idea of pointing a thing at somebody and 273 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 1: then rendering them, you know, like completely inert um or 274 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 1: just crumbling into like a puddle of jelly on the floor. 275 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 1: What if you could make larger scale versions of these 276 00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:58,159 Speaker 1: things to like disperse huge crowds and just absolutely render 277 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 1: people completely useless, or you could use it on armies, 278 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:04,639 Speaker 1: you know, isn't that a game changer for war? Is 279 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 1: that good? Is that something we want? Or is it 280 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 1: going to fall into the wrong hands like everything does. Yeah, 281 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 1: there's something Promethean about it. Uh. The US deployed microwave 282 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:19,200 Speaker 1: weapon in or millimeter weapon whatever you wanna call it 283 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 1: in Afghanistan according to reports, but the official stories they 284 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 1: withdrew it from the field before it was ever used 285 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 1: on human targets still bloggle. War A lot of stuff 286 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:31,960 Speaker 1: slips through. I mean it feels like the kind of 287 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 1: thing you would mount around Washington, d C. And other 288 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 1: major cities where you could disperse large crowds if you 289 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:42,720 Speaker 1: felt so inclined as someone in power or as a 290 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 1: perimeter holder, you know what I mean, like around like 291 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 1: a place where you can't like like literally like an 292 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:49,919 Speaker 1: invisible force field, or when you get too close you 293 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 1: start grabbing your head and shrieking, like that scene in 294 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:55,680 Speaker 1: Scanners where the guy's head blows up. It's very video 295 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 1: game like to me. This problem is the energy drain. 296 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 1: It's energy. It's it's not super efficient, it's very yeah 297 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 1: yeah yeah, it's running constantly. Would be that would be 298 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 1: a real, real suck on resources. Yeah. But if you 299 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 1: get sixteen hours, notice that there's gonna be a riot 300 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 1: at the White House. Yikes. And this paper, um that 301 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:21,600 Speaker 1: was you know, published by this group of scientists and 302 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:26,920 Speaker 1: medical experts, completely validates findings by a previous medical team. 303 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 1: Um Douglas H. Smith, who actually published a separate study 304 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 1: in a medical journal in two thousand eighteen, said that 305 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:38,160 Speaker 1: exposure to microwaves were the most likely culprit for these 306 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 1: types of um symptoms. So, you know, sort of case 307 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 1: closed at least in this case. But I think we're 308 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 1: gonna hear a lot more about these types of weapons, 309 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 1: as it seems like they've gotten more effective. Not them 310 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:55,400 Speaker 1: on drones right, right, once you get the energy drain problem, 311 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 1: figured out, figure out how to make them solar powered, 312 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 1: and now them on drones, right, and then you just 313 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:05,159 Speaker 1: have to, I guess, figure out, um, what you do 314 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:07,919 Speaker 1: for crowd control at night. I wanted time to be alive. 315 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:10,120 Speaker 1: How about we take a quick sponsor break and then 316 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 1: come back with another message from you? Okay, and we 317 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:24,440 Speaker 1: are back now. For this next message, we are going 318 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 1: to our voicemail system. Remember that is one eight three 319 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 1: three st d w y t K. You can always 320 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:35,680 Speaker 1: leave us a message. We are always waiting for you 321 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:40,359 Speaker 1: to call in and if you do, I recommend sending 322 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:45,920 Speaker 1: something like this, Guys, I'm calling Maryland. UM. I wanted 323 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 1: to know if you've ever heard of Ireland Flanishing Triangle. 324 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 1: It's an area will flee in Leinster in Ireland, where 325 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 1: between six and eight women has vanished and there's been 326 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:00,679 Speaker 1: no trade of them all the women where the oldest 327 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 1: was in her was the oldest sporty. They were traveling 328 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 1: on their own in the nineties in Ireland, between nine 329 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 1: and they disappeared without a trace, something that's pretty well 330 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:17,439 Speaker 1: known here in Ireland. I thought you might be interested 331 00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 1: in looking it up. I have a great day and 332 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 1: feel free to is my voice on the podcast. I've 333 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:25,479 Speaker 1: no issue with that, right, Kira, Thank you so much 334 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 1: for this message. This is um It's kind of rare 335 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:32,160 Speaker 1: for me, guys. I had not heard of this one same. 336 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:34,679 Speaker 1: I'm not in the least I had not heard of 337 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 1: this either, and agreed. Thank you so much Kira for 338 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:42,159 Speaker 1: letting us know about it. I actually called Kira because 339 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 1: you can do that now that we have the Internet. 340 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:46,200 Speaker 1: Usually you can't call, you know, from the United States 341 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 1: to Ireland without spending a tire an entire amountain of money. Uh. 342 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:53,439 Speaker 1: I spoke to her a little bit just about this area, 343 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:57,120 Speaker 1: about the Wicklow Mountains out there. It's just south of Dublin, 344 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 1: in the whole triangle area that we're speaking about here, 345 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 1: and if you've if you're looking at a map of 346 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:08,639 Speaker 1: Ireland and you check out Dublin, you know, probably the 347 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 1: easiest city to find there. And if you check out 348 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:14,919 Speaker 1: Dublin and you just go south a bit, you will 349 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:18,200 Speaker 1: see a mountain range. Those are the Wicklow Mountains, and 350 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 1: that is kind of pretty much that whole mountain range 351 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:25,200 Speaker 1: the surrounding area as the mountains are going up, that's 352 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 1: what we're talking about with the vanishing triangle. And there 353 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 1: are a lot of smaller towns that go around those mountains, 354 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 1: and that's that's really what we're looking at. I found 355 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:41,200 Speaker 1: several articles looking at this, and there there's of course 356 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:45,399 Speaker 1: reporting that goes back in to believe, but I was 357 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 1: looking at one article from ABC News here in the 358 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:53,280 Speaker 1: US called Ireland's Vanishing Triangle and it was posted in 359 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:55,159 Speaker 1: two thousand six and you can find a lot of 360 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 1: great information there if you're looking to also follow this 361 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:01,360 Speaker 1: um I'll just give you a couple of highlights here. 362 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:06,480 Speaker 1: It is between that there were six women that went missing. 363 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 1: There's roughly an eighty mile area where this vanishing triangle exists, 364 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:18,440 Speaker 1: and it begins in Dublin where several people disappeared. Then 365 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,480 Speaker 1: it goes southwest to a place called Moon m o 366 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:25,479 Speaker 1: o n E, where another person vanished, and then it 367 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 1: goes back north a ways to a seaside town called 368 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:33,200 Speaker 1: Dundalk d u n d a l K, where another 369 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 1: person went missing. Now something important to note here. We're 370 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 1: talking about numerous victims or at least, you know, missing persons, 371 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:45,120 Speaker 1: and a lot of times when there is like let's 372 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 1: say this was a serial killer at work, a lot 373 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:51,479 Speaker 1: of times the characteristics of the victims would be shared. 374 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 1: There would be similarities between them, um for one reason 375 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:59,640 Speaker 1: or another because of the preferences of the killer. In 376 00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,119 Speaker 1: this case, the only thing that really unites them is 377 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,879 Speaker 1: that they are women, and they're in a rough age 378 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 1: range of kind of late teens too. I believe thirty nine. 379 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 1: I think Cira says a forty year old inter message, 380 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 1: but I believe it's a thirty nine year old that 381 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:18,359 Speaker 1: was correct. If you're just talking about the stuff that 382 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 1: occurred in the nineteen nineties, the drama, the heartbreak, the 383 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 1: horror for all of the families involved, that's that's one thing. 384 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 1: And then in the year two thousand that changed because 385 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,679 Speaker 1: there hadn't been a suspect for all of those years 386 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:37,680 Speaker 1: until there was a a rape case and an attempted 387 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:44,400 Speaker 1: murder case where a single person was was arrested and 388 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,919 Speaker 1: tried and sentenced. That man's name was Larry Murphy. His 389 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,880 Speaker 1: name is Larry Murphy. He is still alive. There is 390 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 1: a storied history with this man because he did go. 391 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 1: He wasn't prisoned for a long time, well quite a while. 392 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 1: He was released. That's right, you heard this. This man 393 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 1: was released and just allowed to live his life. The 394 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 1: crazy thing is that he was never connected to any 395 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:17,640 Speaker 1: of these um other you know, these missing persons cases. However, 396 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,960 Speaker 1: there's a lot of things about him that make you 397 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 1: feel like maybe he would be. And he was. He 398 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 1: was considered the prime suspect for these missing persons cases. However, 399 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:31,160 Speaker 1: there wasn't any real evidence linking him to any of them. 400 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 1: He worked at the he had some tangential connection. I 401 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:41,879 Speaker 1: believe he he was a carpenter and did some work 402 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,920 Speaker 1: at a shop owned by one of the victims grandmother's. 403 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 1: But that's not enough to go to court with. It's 404 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:52,960 Speaker 1: not um And he was working near somebody else when 405 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,640 Speaker 1: another person that went missing. He was working near them 406 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 1: at the time. Um, there's so much to unpack here. 407 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 1: I kind of I hesitate to even go too much 408 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,640 Speaker 1: further into it in this format because you know, if 409 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 1: you're out there listening, Generally, what we'll do for these 410 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,920 Speaker 1: is do some initial research and just have a conversation 411 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 1: about it. Well, we're doing our regular episodes, we go, 412 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:16,640 Speaker 1: we dive deep into all this stuff. We spend you know, 413 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:18,959 Speaker 1: days on it, and I kind of want to do 414 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:23,360 Speaker 1: that for this case. Totally agreed. One thing I will 415 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:28,439 Speaker 1: say here is that from my understanding now, the victim 416 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:32,640 Speaker 1: who was with child was murdered in October two thousand 417 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:36,680 Speaker 1: twelve that renewed interest in this, but her remains were 418 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:40,160 Speaker 1: found right to my knowledge, the eight from the Vanishing 419 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 1: Triangle in the mentally nineties, those folks have never been found, um, 420 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 1: which leads to all sorts of dark possibilities. We will 421 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:56,119 Speaker 1: explore it full because this is this is an ongoing case, 422 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 1: and I feel like it's the right thing to do. 423 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 1: I think it is, and especially since the person who 424 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 1: is considered the primary suspect is free and he has 425 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,959 Speaker 1: been spotted. It's actually this it's a phenomena that you 426 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 1: can find online where there's reporting about where this guy 427 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:20,160 Speaker 1: Larry Murphy has been and he spotted here, he spotted 428 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 1: there in in a in a strange morbid way. It's 429 00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 1: kind of akin to Elvis sightings, because sometimes it's not 430 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 1: him that's being cited, but the fear of him being 431 00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:37,640 Speaker 1: in your town. Uh. It generates such an anxiety that 432 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 1: the thought of him being in that town is enough 433 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:41,720 Speaker 1: to make you go, God, there's that might be him 434 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 1: or that is him. But then he has been actually 435 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 1: cited in a lot of different places, hanging out with 436 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,840 Speaker 1: several people who were known criminals, and it is just 437 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 1: I don't know. He also didn't serve his full sentence. 438 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 1: He did not he did not serve his full sentence. Um, 439 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:03,960 Speaker 1: and what he did to go to jail was horrifying. Yes, yeah, 440 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,879 Speaker 1: you know, and you only have fifteen I think. And 441 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:12,119 Speaker 1: then he served a lot to go over here. Yes yeah. 442 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,760 Speaker 1: And so while we are while we are preparing for that, 443 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:19,680 Speaker 1: and thank you again, Kiro. While we are preparing for that, uh, 444 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:25,200 Speaker 1: do feel free to send us your input, your insight, 445 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 1: or even your Larry Murphy sightings. I hope this is 446 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:33,480 Speaker 1: not something I come to regret calling for, but it 447 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,240 Speaker 1: feels important and we want to have as always want 448 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 1: to have as much information as possible. Yeah, just on 449 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,960 Speaker 1: the phone, she gave us a quote from her father. 450 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 1: I'm going to read this. Hope she doesn't mind. Um, 451 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 1: she said, her dad used to say, you couldn't go 452 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:52,000 Speaker 1: into the mountains without finding a body. Doesn't have anything 453 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 1: to do necessarily with these missing persons cases, just that 454 00:28:56,160 --> 00:29:00,120 Speaker 1: the that mountain area seems to be a calm in 455 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 1: place for bodies to end up. Yeah, there are areas 456 00:29:03,920 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 1: like that here in the States, and there are areas 457 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 1: like that here in Atlanta when they are known to 458 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 1: the community. I think some of us, some of our 459 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 1: fellow listeners might be surprised to find just how common 460 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,560 Speaker 1: it is for communities to have places like that that 461 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 1: everybody knows about. The what's the in the Sopranos, What 462 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:31,960 Speaker 1: was the area up there in Jersey with a pine? Yeah, 463 00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 1: that is like everyone's favorite Sopranos episode of all time, 464 00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 1: A good for good reason. Um. Jack O'Brien was actually 465 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 1: just on an episode of a show called Potta Bing 466 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 1: that's about the Sopranos, and he made the point that, yeah, 467 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 1: we all know Pine Barons is your favorite Sopranos episode. 468 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 1: Dig a little deeper, but it's so good. Steve Bishemy 469 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 1: directed that one too. I never watched The Sopranos yet, 470 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,720 Speaker 1: I'll get to it. I guess with it good stuff. 471 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,480 Speaker 1: I guess I'll just watch Pine Barons. I saw the 472 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 1: just well, it's a bottle episode. It's like, it's very 473 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 1: it's completely self contained. Um, it's it's Polly and uh 474 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,960 Speaker 1: and what's his name, Christopher Malta Santi And it's wonderful. 475 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 1: It's got a lot of comedy. Maybe comedy would help, 476 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:18,400 Speaker 1: but um, yeah, to that, to that point, you know, 477 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:21,840 Speaker 1: we even see the occurring in fiction. There are dark 478 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 1: places out there, and uh, if you hear rumors about 479 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 1: those places, it's not uncommon for those rumors to be 480 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:31,680 Speaker 1: founded in truth. But we are on the case and 481 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:36,560 Speaker 1: hopefully we can bring more visibility to this story. Thanks 482 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 1: agatting here, and we'll be right back after a word 483 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:48,840 Speaker 1: from our sponsor, and we are back for our final 484 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:53,880 Speaker 1: piece of listener mail today, which which spoke to me 485 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 1: in a way we'll do. We'll do excerpts here. This 486 00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:01,600 Speaker 1: listener wrote to us fantastic letter, and then wrote a 487 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 1: second letter saying I've thought about it. Please keep me anonymous. 488 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,240 Speaker 1: So we're already starting from a base level of intrigue. 489 00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 1: Here we go. Greetings, conspiracy friends. First, I'd like to 490 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,560 Speaker 1: thank you sincerely for all the thought, time and effort 491 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 1: you put into producing a great show. I've been a 492 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 1: fan of stuff they want you to know since the 493 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 1: YouTube only days, and I can't begin to tell you 494 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 1: how much you all have entertained me, made me laugh, think, 495 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,600 Speaker 1: and gotten me through some not so fun times. I'm 496 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,120 Speaker 1: writing to pass on a little bit of information I 497 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,320 Speaker 1: know about a topic that I think can make an 498 00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 1: interesting segment or even a full episode. I've listened to 499 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,360 Speaker 1: the vast majority of your episodes, but if I somehow 500 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:47,280 Speaker 1: missed you covering this, I apologize in advance. I'll just 501 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 1: quote the headline of an article that I came across 502 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 1: a few years ago. Kazakhstan and the Illuminati in an 503 00:31:54,280 --> 00:32:00,800 Speaker 1: unfinished metropolis Chef's anonymous. Oh yeah, solid headline. They're in 504 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:05,360 Speaker 1: an unfinished metropolis. Okay, all right, Yeah that sounds weird, right, 505 00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:09,520 Speaker 1: says Anonymous. Apparently, there are many conspiracy theories surrounding the 506 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 1: Kazakh capital Astana, which is known as Neur Sultan now. 507 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,240 Speaker 1: As as a note, uh and alleged ties to a 508 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:21,000 Speaker 1: cult symbolism, and everyone's favorite boo human, the illuminati. If 509 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 1: you haven't seen pictures of the city and some of 510 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:27,640 Speaker 1: the buildings and monuments, I highly suggest checking some photos out. 511 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 1: If nothing else, the city is undeniably odd. The articles 512 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,040 Speaker 1: I've seen on the city and these theories seem to 513 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:38,040 Speaker 1: borrow from the same primary sources. And don't take an 514 00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:41,320 Speaker 1: investigative deep dive. I'm sure you guys will be able 515 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,960 Speaker 1: to come up with something much more compelling than what 516 00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 1: I found in a cursory Google search. And Anonymous goes 517 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 1: on to say that they've been fascinated with this for 518 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 1: a while and they believe that they do see some 519 00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:01,320 Speaker 1: occult symbolism there and testing Matt, this reminds me of 520 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:06,080 Speaker 1: our earlier talk UH and Founding Fathers one about Freemasons 521 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:10,560 Speaker 1: and Washington d c. H. Anonymous says, I thought everyone 522 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,920 Speaker 1: we appreciate this, Anonymous says, but the main question that 523 00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,160 Speaker 1: comes to mind when I see the undeniably occult symbolism 524 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 1: throughout the city is why why would you do that? 525 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,760 Speaker 1: That's a question we've all had at this point. And 526 00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 1: UH Anonymous list a couple of possible possible answers. Is 527 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:34,040 Speaker 1: there any history of cities being erected for secret societies? 528 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 1: I mean yes, kind of depends on what you mean 529 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,920 Speaker 1: by society and secret, but yes, Anonymous, there is. Uh 530 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 1: is Astana or Ner Sultan as it's known now supposed 531 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:45,800 Speaker 1: to be to the Illuminati, what d C is to 532 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,400 Speaker 1: the Freemasons. Was it just an over zealous city planner. 533 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,600 Speaker 1: Did the Causic government have an ill conceived plan to 534 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:58,080 Speaker 1: increase tourism or I love this part. Maybe it's something 535 00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:03,160 Speaker 1: they don't want us to know, so uh shout out 536 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,520 Speaker 1: to you, Anonymous. We've respected your wishes to not reveal 537 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:11,120 Speaker 1: your name or too many personal details, but this sent 538 00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,400 Speaker 1: me down a bit of a rabbit hole. I'm fascinated 539 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:19,480 Speaker 1: with the stands, as I call them, the collection of 540 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,799 Speaker 1: Eurasian countries that have been often. We talked about them 541 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:26,440 Speaker 1: in the Great Game Classic that published recently. Uh. These 542 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:30,280 Speaker 1: these countries have been seen by various movers and shakers 543 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:34,399 Speaker 1: in the world of geopolitics as like the chessboard one 544 00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:39,200 Speaker 1: needs to control. Britain and Russia fought over them. China 545 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:43,400 Speaker 1: and Russia are fighting over the The US is currently 546 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:47,480 Speaker 1: operating several of them. And the weirdest thing about this 547 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:52,239 Speaker 1: is that Nur Sultan, or Astana as it was once known, 548 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:57,320 Speaker 1: is a very young city, like the thing that would become. 549 00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:02,680 Speaker 1: It was founded back in eighteen thirty and that should 550 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:06,120 Speaker 1: be unusual, you know, because this is also the rough 551 00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,880 Speaker 1: area of the world where there are many ancient cities 552 00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:12,400 Speaker 1: like Summer cond you know, Uh, for Astana to be 553 00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:18,040 Speaker 1: so comparatively young, I think that gives us a starting point. 554 00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,200 Speaker 1: But first off, had you guys ever heard of this 555 00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,719 Speaker 1: this concept? I'd certainly never heard of this, and I 556 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:27,719 Speaker 1: didn't even look. I haven't spent much time looking at 557 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:34,319 Speaker 1: the capital city. There's some incredible buildings and super just 558 00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:39,400 Speaker 1: intriguing layout it. It makes sure I go to really 559 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:43,840 Speaker 1: cool places to cool angles. Um depending on where you're situated, 560 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:46,600 Speaker 1: especially if you're far away from some of the larger landmarks. 561 00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:52,120 Speaker 1: It is very similar to Washington, d C. And if 562 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:55,920 Speaker 1: you think about the the National Mall and some of 563 00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:59,840 Speaker 1: some of the layout there where you've got long vis 564 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,719 Speaker 1: does that go to a couple of different things out 565 00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:07,000 Speaker 1: beyond in the distance and and also the you know, 566 00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:09,600 Speaker 1: the bit of a pentagram that is formed with some 567 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:11,800 Speaker 1: of the streets and stuff that we've talked about before 568 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:15,239 Speaker 1: and Washington, d C. But it's not real. None of 569 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:20,400 Speaker 1: that's real, but it definitely looks that way from above. Um. 570 00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:22,840 Speaker 1: I'm fascinated by all that stuff. And then I'm seeing 571 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:26,360 Speaker 1: some of the similarities, especially in this Atlas Obscure article 572 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:31,880 Speaker 1: where it's pointing to the quote typical layout of a 573 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:35,719 Speaker 1: Masonic temple with the pillars and then the you know 574 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,839 Speaker 1: behind it the it's not the throne, but it's the 575 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:43,440 Speaker 1: the temple or the what do you? I don't know 576 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,400 Speaker 1: what the name of the altar? The altar, thank you, jeez? 577 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,120 Speaker 1: What's the name? What's the nave? Is that the part 578 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:54,600 Speaker 1: like behind the altar? The nave, the nave, it's the 579 00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:58,120 Speaker 1: it's the central part of the building. It's where most 580 00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:01,200 Speaker 1: of a congregation sits. For some reason, I thought it 581 00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:04,560 Speaker 1: was like a It sounds like like nook, like to me, like, 582 00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,200 Speaker 1: I don't know. Never mind, Um, what what is the 583 00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:09,600 Speaker 1: beef with the Illuminati? I know that's like a silly question. 584 00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:11,759 Speaker 1: We did an episode recently where we kind of demystified 585 00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,719 Speaker 1: at least the beginnings of the Illuminati as just sort 586 00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:18,799 Speaker 1: of like another Enlightenment secret society much like the Freemasons 587 00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:23,439 Speaker 1: that isn't inherently nefarious, but it's gotten this you know, reputation, 588 00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:26,040 Speaker 1: and there's this you know, kind of like ominous tone 589 00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:30,600 Speaker 1: surrounding it, way more so than even the Freemasons or 590 00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,080 Speaker 1: the Rosicrucians are a lot of those other groups. Is 591 00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:36,000 Speaker 1: there like something I know, there's the Illuminatous Trilogy, which 592 00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:40,160 Speaker 1: is fiction, but like, where where does the distrust come 593 00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:44,840 Speaker 1: from of this? Uh? This organization. Let me quote George 594 00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:48,640 Speaker 1: Orwell from nineteen eighty four. If you want a picture 595 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:52,920 Speaker 1: of the future, imagine a boot stomping any human face forever. 596 00:37:54,640 --> 00:38:03,640 Speaker 1: Primary objection to the conspiratorial Illuminati organization is that it 597 00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:09,120 Speaker 1: functions as a hidden hand, with every action meant to 598 00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:15,040 Speaker 1: further consolidate control. Uh, and that it's sort of a 599 00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,239 Speaker 1: control for its own sake, which is one of the 600 00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:23,120 Speaker 1: big points the methods of doing so. If such an 601 00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:27,880 Speaker 1: organization exist and is capable of doing this, would would 602 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:34,160 Speaker 1: rely intensely on deception and the exploitation of existing social, social, 603 00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:40,800 Speaker 1: socioeconomic structures. So you would have people sending innocent folks 604 00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:45,120 Speaker 1: to war just to consolidate control. And nothing like that 605 00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:48,839 Speaker 1: has been conclusively proven on a huge scale. But we 606 00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:53,800 Speaker 1: know very well that the conversations world leaders have alone 607 00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:58,040 Speaker 1: in back rooms are very different from the conversations they 608 00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,879 Speaker 1: have in public or this speeches they make when they 609 00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:05,799 Speaker 1: want support from the military or voters or corporations. So 610 00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:09,200 Speaker 1: that's that's the main objection. I would say, I see 611 00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:10,839 Speaker 1: what you're saying. There been and I totally agree with you. 612 00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:13,640 Speaker 1: For me, I think I see it a little bit 613 00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:19,800 Speaker 1: as the most tangible version of God or a god 614 00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:23,800 Speaker 1: that we can kind of imagine like a controlling force 615 00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,720 Speaker 1: that is always there but you can't see it, and 616 00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:32,720 Speaker 1: you know that it's acting. It's it's influences acting around 617 00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:36,360 Speaker 1: your world and causing things to happen, in people to 618 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,400 Speaker 1: maybe die, or other bad things to occur, or like 619 00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:45,000 Speaker 1: you said, just for control to be harnessed further. Um. 620 00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,560 Speaker 1: But rather than it, you know, being a deity or 621 00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,160 Speaker 1: a god, it's just a group of really powerful people. 622 00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:55,200 Speaker 1: So it feels more realistic. I think, yeah, yeah, And 623 00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:58,319 Speaker 1: as I said earlier in our episodes on the Illuminati, 624 00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,880 Speaker 1: and the thing about that is, ask yourself, what is 625 00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,640 Speaker 1: more likely? Is there a small group, a comparatively small 626 00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:09,040 Speaker 1: group of people that controls the entirety of the world, 627 00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:14,080 Speaker 1: or are there several small groups of powerful people who 628 00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:16,640 Speaker 1: feel like they should be in charge, you know what 629 00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:21,279 Speaker 1: I mean, there's not as much cooperation. And also the 630 00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:26,000 Speaker 1: belief in this force with total control, whether it's nefarious 631 00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:30,759 Speaker 1: or whether it's um beneficent. It's more comforting than the 632 00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:34,680 Speaker 1: idea of chaos in a lot of ways. But but 633 00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:37,399 Speaker 1: it doesn't come from nowhere. You guys got to look 634 00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,200 Speaker 1: at the architecture and it's weird, for sure, it's a 635 00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:43,839 Speaker 1: vibe or it's mood, a f as we might describe it. 636 00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:49,960 Speaker 1: But also this city is unfinished. The construction is continuing. 637 00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:54,400 Speaker 1: Kazakhstan is the most wealthy of the stands. It's an 638 00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:58,759 Speaker 1: oil money, black gold, Texas t country and there are 639 00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:02,440 Speaker 1: billions of bill millions of dollars pouring through it. You know, 640 00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:05,800 Speaker 1: I don't want to make some like cheap hackey borat 641 00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:10,000 Speaker 1: joke about potassium or whatever, because this this country is 642 00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:15,400 Speaker 1: a big deal. And the transformation, so Nurse Sultan became 643 00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:20,759 Speaker 1: the capital. It wasn't the capital before then. And it's 644 00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:24,200 Speaker 1: not the biggest city. It's the second biggest city, and 645 00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,400 Speaker 1: there are billions of dollars being spent as we speak 646 00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:33,640 Speaker 1: on on construction on new buildings. It's interesting for anybody 647 00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:37,000 Speaker 1: who wants a look at I love learning about other countries, 648 00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:40,359 Speaker 1: so anybody wants to look at another country in a 649 00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:44,239 Speaker 1: way that feels um oriented to what your day to 650 00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:46,600 Speaker 1: day life would be like there or what it would 651 00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:50,160 Speaker 1: be like to visit. I highly recommend Wiki travel because 652 00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:54,880 Speaker 1: it's it's the editing is clear. It's clear when someone 653 00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:58,640 Speaker 1: who like owns a restaurant in Nurse Salton is writing 654 00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:03,000 Speaker 1: about the good restaurants Nursalton, and it's clear when they're tourists, 655 00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:06,440 Speaker 1: and it's clear when uh stuff is being pulled from 656 00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:11,160 Speaker 1: a state level resource. But I I would I would 657 00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:14,360 Speaker 1: recommend starting there to read a little bit about the 658 00:42:14,440 --> 00:42:19,000 Speaker 1: history of the place. Of course, as Anonymous recommends, I 659 00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:24,560 Speaker 1: would also check out that Atlas Obscura article. There's also 660 00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:29,840 Speaker 1: a interesting, interesting book you can see a trailer for 661 00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:38,840 Speaker 1: called The Astana Challenge. You know, Astana Architecture, Myth and Destiny. 662 00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:43,240 Speaker 1: It's by a guy named Dr Frank Albo, Cambridge historian 663 00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:48,160 Speaker 1: an expert on the architecture of secret societies. So I'm 664 00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:50,319 Speaker 1: not sure where this book is going to go because 665 00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:52,680 Speaker 1: I haven't read it yet, but now I am definitely 666 00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:55,920 Speaker 1: going to check it out. One of the buildings that 667 00:42:55,960 --> 00:43:00,040 Speaker 1: I think is the most striking is something called the 668 00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:06,440 Speaker 1: Palace of Peace. It's like a pyramid shaped kind of um. 669 00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:09,600 Speaker 1: I don't know what the word is, tiled um, there's 670 00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:13,279 Speaker 1: a name for that type of decor. Yeah, I'm gonna 671 00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:17,839 Speaker 1: saic exactly um. And it reminds me a lot of 672 00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:21,879 Speaker 1: the temple from the end of the fantastic uh psychedelic 673 00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:26,480 Speaker 1: horror film Mandy Um, where Nicholas Cage's character kind of 674 00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,239 Speaker 1: has to venture into the abyss of this you know, 675 00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:34,400 Speaker 1: cult occult kind of temple pyramid thing. Um. It is 676 00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:38,400 Speaker 1: super striking. Some of the comparisons between the Illuminati and 677 00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,000 Speaker 1: the architecture I find to be a little bit of 678 00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:43,719 Speaker 1: a stretch, but like it's it's fascinating to look at 679 00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:48,520 Speaker 1: and it's absolutely unusual. I would say, yeah, I agreed. 680 00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:53,319 Speaker 1: I have some associates, yeah, with with experience in this 681 00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,799 Speaker 1: um in this area, and I'm going to reach out 682 00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:00,320 Speaker 1: to them because I think we could make a full 683 00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,960 Speaker 1: episode here. You can find the story in the official 684 00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:10,160 Speaker 1: story at least about the genesis of this construction, and 685 00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:13,440 Speaker 1: there's no denying whether you look at it through the 686 00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:18,839 Speaker 1: lens of conspiratorial matters or secret societies, or whether you 687 00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:25,960 Speaker 1: look at it through a purely objective architectural lens, it 688 00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:29,160 Speaker 1: looks wild. There's a great there's a great article on 689 00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:33,160 Speaker 1: the Guardian, and I think people might enjoy called Astada 690 00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:38,400 Speaker 1: Kazakhstan the space station in the Steps, and I agree 691 00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:40,919 Speaker 1: with it. We're talking like a sixty two meter high 692 00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:49,600 Speaker 1: silver pyramid giant green gold cones, because why not, Oh yeah, 693 00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:53,880 Speaker 1: that's laughs. And and also we have to we have 694 00:44:53,960 --> 00:45:00,239 Speaker 1: to mention praising the architecture or being legitimately impressed by 695 00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:03,200 Speaker 1: the scale and the grandeur of something should not be 696 00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:08,480 Speaker 1: mistaken as an endorsement of the country itself. Kazakhstan in 697 00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:12,280 Speaker 1: like two thousand ten was ranking a hundred and forty 698 00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:16,120 Speaker 1: second in the World Press Freedom Index, a hundred and 699 00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:21,759 Speaker 1: twenty in the Corruption Perception Index, Like it's the reality 700 00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:24,680 Speaker 1: is not as nice as the buildings. And there's a 701 00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,440 Speaker 1: very well established history in a lot of corrupt parts 702 00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:31,600 Speaker 1: of the world, especially parts of the world that have 703 00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:36,840 Speaker 1: strong men as leaders, that history says, let's build big, 704 00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:40,399 Speaker 1: grandiose buildings. In the capital, you know what I mean, 705 00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:44,960 Speaker 1: like that Washington monument and there's and there's one yeah, 706 00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:47,840 Speaker 1: like that Washington monument. That guy raises his hand in 707 00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:50,960 Speaker 1: the brainstorm immediate and they say do you have a question. 708 00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:55,120 Speaker 1: He says, no, I'm saying should look like this. So, 709 00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:59,439 Speaker 1: uh so there's another thing here, something slightly sinister about 710 00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:04,080 Speaker 1: Nursal hot which it doesn't have like a booming nightlife, 711 00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:09,279 Speaker 1: doesn't have a bohemian quarters, or as journalist rule it 712 00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:13,160 Speaker 1: more puts it, it's uh, it doesn't have hidden surprises. 713 00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:18,359 Speaker 1: It seems sedate. So what what is going on there? 714 00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:22,400 Speaker 1: Let me see if you see all the images that 715 00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:26,880 Speaker 1: they got for the Atlas Obscura article in there's nobody 716 00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:30,279 Speaker 1: on the streets? Did you notice that that? You know, 717 00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:32,160 Speaker 1: I couldn't put my finger on what was so eerie 718 00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:34,719 Speaker 1: about it? And that's exactly what it is. Well, it 719 00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:39,080 Speaker 1: looks like images early on this year when the pandemic first, 720 00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:42,920 Speaker 1: you know, began in quarantine, the quarantine for everyone started, 721 00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:44,960 Speaker 1: it looked like those kind of empty streets, but it 722 00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:49,200 Speaker 1: was so I'm interested in just the stage of construction 723 00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:53,839 Speaker 1: and population growth and everything at that time. But I'm 724 00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,560 Speaker 1: definitely gonna be just going down a rabbit hole myself 725 00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:58,680 Speaker 1: on this one, at least. I don't know if you 726 00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:02,120 Speaker 1: guys clocked it and want to be uh. I don't 727 00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:04,520 Speaker 1: want to open with this because it felt like it 728 00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:08,640 Speaker 1: would be um rude on my part. But you know, 729 00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:11,360 Speaker 1: I said, the name of the of the city changed 730 00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:16,399 Speaker 1: from Astana than Nur Sultan or Nur Sultan. Uh. That's 731 00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:20,560 Speaker 1: the first name of the president, the ruler or excuse me, 732 00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:24,759 Speaker 1: the chairman of the Security Council of Kazakhstan. His name 733 00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:28,399 Speaker 1: is Nur Sultan Nazarbayev. It's just a coincidence, I'm sure. 734 00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:34,520 Speaker 1: Imagine naming the capital city after yourself. It's changing the name, like, yeah, 735 00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:41,520 Speaker 1: that's wild. That is Oh, that's a lot. Here's there's okay, dumb, 736 00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:43,719 Speaker 1: maybe a dumb question, but like, what would it take 737 00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:47,200 Speaker 1: to change the name of a US city? A vote, 738 00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:50,719 Speaker 1: political pressure and a vote, Yeah, like a street name, 739 00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:54,120 Speaker 1: but a little more difficult, far more organized and people 740 00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:55,520 Speaker 1: have that. So it would be a vote like to 741 00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:58,080 Speaker 1: the people, to the citizens of that state. Yeah, yeah, 742 00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:01,120 Speaker 1: which just had a referendum of some kinds. Yeah, yeah, exactly, 743 00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:04,560 Speaker 1: would just have to go. Uh, it would have to 744 00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:09,760 Speaker 1: be something that community supports for its Uh. For most 745 00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:13,839 Speaker 1: states or most small communities or towns, it would be 746 00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:16,120 Speaker 1: up to them and they could have their own vote, 747 00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:18,160 Speaker 1: and then they would probably have to petition with some 748 00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:22,400 Speaker 1: authorities to have the name change. But for larger cities, 749 00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,040 Speaker 1: like capital cities of a state I'm just speaking about 750 00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:28,759 Speaker 1: the U S here, or like Washington, d C. It 751 00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:31,879 Speaker 1: would be an enormous undertaking. As a matter of fact, 752 00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:34,200 Speaker 1: I think you can make a pretty good argument that 753 00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:37,040 Speaker 1: if someone, if there was a movement to change the 754 00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:41,600 Speaker 1: name of Washington d C, does something else, it would 755 00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:45,560 Speaker 1: be bad. It would be an indicator of instability for 756 00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:48,160 Speaker 1: the country, whether or not you're on board with calling it, 757 00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:52,319 Speaker 1: you know, um Chuck E Cheese or quasar One or 758 00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:54,440 Speaker 1: whatever you want to name it. But then if you 759 00:48:54,480 --> 00:48:57,560 Speaker 1: went to like if the people of Pigeon Forge want 760 00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:02,120 Speaker 1: to honor Dolly Parton after she asses, then they could 761 00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:05,440 Speaker 1: name they could rename their talent to Dolly Problem. But 762 00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:09,040 Speaker 1: just Dollyville. Yeah they did that, didn't they? Well know, 763 00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:15,200 Speaker 1: that's dolly Wood, which is the short theme. Uh. So 764 00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:18,600 Speaker 1: it would be confusing to have Dolly and then Dollywood 765 00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:21,160 Speaker 1: or like dolly Ville and then Dollywood, but you know, 766 00:49:21,239 --> 00:49:24,440 Speaker 1: you know, and other things you work out. Uh. But 767 00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:27,960 Speaker 1: that's a good question. I am not aware of a 768 00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:31,680 Speaker 1: petition to change the name of a town, but it 769 00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:34,759 Speaker 1: has to have happened. I don't think it was in 770 00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:38,360 Speaker 1: the US. I don't think Nurse Sultan was involved, because 771 00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:41,680 Speaker 1: if Nazarbayev was involved, we would have it would have 772 00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:45,600 Speaker 1: been named after him. Clearly. I need you guys at 773 00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:48,719 Speaker 1: some point to check out the Kazakh National University of 774 00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:53,799 Speaker 1: Arts there in Nursultan. It looks incredible. It looks like 775 00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:58,360 Speaker 1: the base for or Um. It's got a concave top, 776 00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:02,719 Speaker 1: uh cole concave top, and it goes down like this. 777 00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,640 Speaker 1: It looks like the base for some spherical thing to 778 00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:11,719 Speaker 1: land inside of it. Yeah. Oh, Also, that name changed 779 00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:17,359 Speaker 1: to Nurse Sultan occurred on March of last year, and 780 00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:21,279 Speaker 1: it's it's there's kind of a ned Videov foot and 781 00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:26,319 Speaker 1: thing going on here. Because I am not persuaded that 782 00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:28,800 Speaker 1: this guy is actually retired. I think he's doing a 783 00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:34,000 Speaker 1: power behind the throne thing and maybe anonymous he's working 784 00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:36,560 Speaker 1: with the Illuminati. We'll find out. Would you guys like 785 00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:38,120 Speaker 1: to do a full episode on this? Do you think 786 00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:40,880 Speaker 1: it would be worth worthwhile to get weird with it 787 00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:44,640 Speaker 1: in Eurasia. I'm down. I like talking about architecture and 788 00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:48,960 Speaker 1: secret societies and spooky stuff. It's yea, yeah, I'm down. 789 00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:52,800 Speaker 1: I want to keep looking at this. The con she 790 00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:56,600 Speaker 1: Tire building looks like that circus l a big top 791 00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:59,160 Speaker 1: that they always put up seasonal a around Lenox Mall, 792 00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:04,080 Speaker 1: our Atlantic station and here in Atlanta, and the I 793 00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:07,560 Speaker 1: didn't realize the largest mosque in Central Asia is located 794 00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:13,279 Speaker 1: in this city. Man, It's it's true. It's a there's 795 00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:18,120 Speaker 1: a There are a ton of fascinating things about this 796 00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:22,040 Speaker 1: area of the world, and about Kazakhstan specifically, that aren't 797 00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:25,640 Speaker 1: just really examined in the West, you know, So we 798 00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:29,600 Speaker 1: would we would love to explore that in a future episode. 799 00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:33,080 Speaker 1: So thank you again, Anonymous. Thank you as well, kiro 800 00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:37,360 Speaker 1: We will explore the Vanishing Triangle in an upcoming episode. 801 00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:41,799 Speaker 1: And Shawnee L. Saniel And of course thank you to 802 00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:45,919 Speaker 1: everyone else who has called, who has written to us, 803 00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:50,520 Speaker 1: who has posted on social media, or did weird invocations 804 00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:55,200 Speaker 1: according to books I will not name on air. But 805 00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:59,520 Speaker 1: before we wrap up, one quick correction that I wanted 806 00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:03,560 Speaker 1: to make here. We talked about black Friday earlier, and 807 00:52:03,640 --> 00:52:07,080 Speaker 1: we said we propagated the common belief that it is 808 00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:11,960 Speaker 1: named after the period when businesses go from being in 809 00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:16,480 Speaker 1: debt and reading to being in the black making a profit. However, 810 00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:20,920 Speaker 1: the true story takes place in Philly. 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