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Speaker 1: it's not just you and your son. You have other
Speaker 1: guys who are there. They see this thing that these
Speaker 1: lights follow you, and you're all pretty scared by the
Speaker 1: whole thing, right, Yeah, we were terrified. Well let's say this,
Speaker 1: and I've told this before. When they brought me back,
Speaker 1: I had lost off tier and I really didn't understand
Speaker 1: why they were so afraid, and it was just something
Speaker 1: whatever they did to me. I was going almost four
Speaker 1: hours and I was happy when I run up to
Speaker 1: the fire to tell them what I saw. But you know,
Speaker 1: it was it was the strangest thing because they were terrified, completely,
Speaker 1: so bad they were. They were shouting and screaming, wanting
Speaker 1: to go home. They were to fight over who There
Speaker 1: were three other men along with my son. But I
Speaker 1: had to say that to make note of it that
Speaker 1: I lost fear at that when they brought me back,
Speaker 1: I wasn't afraid. That they were terribly afraid, and it
Speaker 1: went on all the way to taking them home. They
Speaker 1: actually fought over who was going to get home first
Speaker 1: to see their family. The last time, and I actually
Speaker 1: had to drive four miles out of the way to
Speaker 1: take the biggest go home first, and we experienced them
Speaker 1: all along the way. There was a dead man's curve
Speaker 1: and I write about this in the book without giving
Speaker 1: it away, but I had a very bad loss in
Speaker 1: that curve, and for some reason, George, when we were
Speaker 1: heading in a hurry to take everybody home, there was
Speaker 1: a big object hubb and right over top for where
Speaker 1: this accident happened. And that was the first time that
Speaker 1: I gained peace that for nearly twenty five or thirty years.
Speaker 1: We'll just say it now. It's the spot where your
Speaker 1: first wife was killed in an auto accident. Right, it's
Speaker 1: a terrible spot for you, in terrible memory. Yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: I was nineteen years old when it happened, or twenty
Speaker 1: and to see, you know, somebody to get mangled up
Speaker 1: that bad, I found myself. I acced this and but anyhow,
Speaker 1: after that night, that was the that was the first
Speaker 1: time I felt at peace about it. Some others on
Speaker 1: this night, though, you dropped these other guys off and
Speaker 1: you and your son go home. And that's not the
Speaker 1: end of it that night, right, Oh, that's that is
Speaker 1: where it got crazy. We were Christopher went through the house,
Speaker 1: turning every light on inside, including in each bedroom he
Speaker 1: ran through. He'd locked the windows, pulled the blinds down,
Speaker 1: and turn the lights on, and then locked the door.
Speaker 1: Even in the bathroom where there were no ones, he'd
Speaker 1: turned the light, unlocked the door, and all the outside
Speaker 1: lights were on. And I know, my little study trying
Speaker 1: to find it on the news. I just knew it
Speaker 1: was all over the news. Had to have been this
Speaker 1: invasion because there was so many. And by the time
Speaker 1: he gets done, he comes running back in there and
Speaker 1: he's still looking and shocked. To me, he was terrified.
Speaker 1: And about that time, my dad lived next door. He
Speaker 1: lived next door to him actually where I was raised,
Speaker 1: and he had hunting dog, always had a big kennel
Speaker 1: full of dogs, anywhere from thirty to one hundred because
Speaker 1: he traded them. Usually about thirty was his normal amountain
Speaker 1: But suddenly we hear this kind of weird sound come over.
Speaker 1: I immediately thought it was a helicopter from Fort Bragg
Speaker 1: because it was heading toward the river was only a
Speaker 1: couple of miles away, and but it it sounded like
Speaker 1: it just a washing machine. Maybe that was spinning when
Speaker 1: it starts winding down. That's kind of what it sounded like.
Speaker 1: But immediately every dog and that kennel back behind our
Speaker 1: house shared of six acred fish land, and there was
Speaker 1: a little woods back in there, just where the kennel was,
Speaker 1: and all these dogs hound dogs, and they got a
Speaker 1: big mouth. You can hear them am all away, and
Speaker 1: they were all barking at this really strange scary tone,
Speaker 1: like day didn't know what was back there, and they
Speaker 1: were afraid of it. So I said, Christopher, the first
Speaker 1: thing I thought, I had no clue this thing followed
Speaker 1: his home. I just thought because Dad's garage, which is
Speaker 1: as he called the boat house, just really kept all
Speaker 1: his fishing gear and his pools, and I had my
Speaker 1: stuff in there. I was thinking somebody was breaking in
Speaker 1: the shop and the dogs could see them because the
Speaker 1: garage isn't real close that are opening. And it took
Speaker 1: me five minutes to convince Jenneral that I had to
Speaker 1: go out to see what was out there. I said, look,
Speaker 1: we don't need a flashlight. We got a chestpeake bay
Speaker 1: retriever Rosie issues and outside on the back steps, and
Speaker 1: her hair was standing up and she was barking. I said,
Speaker 1: she'll keep us protected, and we're just eased that there
Speaker 1: without a flashlight and see what's happening, and maybe she'll
Speaker 1: run them off. And so against his protest, I opened
Speaker 1: the back door and Rosie took off, ran out about
Speaker 1: forty yards and stopped and look back, saw that we
Speaker 1: were coming, and Christopher had me by the back of
Speaker 1: the shirt. We kind of crept through the yard over
Speaker 1: to the wood where this path went through the forest,
Speaker 1: and eased their way down that path and getting closer
Speaker 1: to these dogs all the minute, They're getting louder, more exciting,
Speaker 1: and I mean it was just the interview is real
Speaker 1: high I was expecting them to see somebody in the shop. Well,
Speaker 1: when we got there, all the dogs were looking backwards
Speaker 1: behind the pen down in the woods, and I thought
Speaker 1: that's crazy, because if somebody was breaking in the shop
Speaker 1: and they ran, they would go towards the highway. They
Speaker 1: surely wouldn't go in the woods behind the dog kennel.
Speaker 1: There's no way to get in there from back there.
Speaker 1: And so Rosie was pointing into the farce hair standing
Speaker 1: up fifteen or more hounds right in the kennels next
Speaker 1: to her. She was right up against the end of
Speaker 1: the kennel. They're all barking every breath behind it. Night
Speaker 1: said in Jennia, I said, I'm going to send Rosie
Speaker 1: in on whoever's in there, We're going to run back
Speaker 1: out to the back to the grassy area, and there's
Speaker 1: a big oak tree at the back of the property.
Speaker 1: List run back there and we'll stand and see who.
Speaker 1: She pushes out a walk. Maybe it's in bear, because
Speaker 1: you know, dogs act the craig when they see a bear,
Speaker 1: snow one, they'll sound like that. And so the minute
Speaker 1: I sent her in in the far she took off
Speaker 1: wide open and I took off running and Junior had
Speaker 1: me by the shirt. We had to run about seventy
Speaker 1: five yards to the to the grass and I had
Speaker 1: to make a left turn, and I was already crossed
Speaker 1: on the ground, so I was slipping and sliding when
Speaker 1: I turned and he pulled a loose from me, so
Speaker 1: I thought he was still behind me. I just pulled
Speaker 1: away from it. I ran hard as I could to
Speaker 1: this big tree and I stopped myself against the tree,
Speaker 1: and I was panting. So I looked back to see
Speaker 1: and now the dogs coming straight at me. Won't very
Speaker 1: far in there. When I looked back behind me to
Speaker 1: see if Christopher was catching up, that's when my whole
Speaker 1: world changed. There was this little being just like he described.
Speaker 1: It's about three three and a half foot tall, and
Speaker 1: it looked like glass. It's his body was glowing the
Speaker 1: soft glow like the moon, and it looked like it
Speaker 1: was shiny. The outer covering was extremely shiny, and it
Speaker 1: had this triangle up under in its chest. It looked
Speaker 1: like a dark triangle, and it had red glowing eyes.
Speaker 1: And I had my hands against the tree and my
Speaker 1: back to it right and I just knew I was dead.
Speaker 1: The first thing. I thought this was going to kill me.
Speaker 1: So I dropped my arms to my side and I
Speaker 1: used the tree to turn around. Now I'm not getting
Speaker 1: closer to it. I'm trying to get as tight against
Speaker 1: that tree as I could, and I have my back
Speaker 1: against the tree, and I looked and I said, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: you know, I surrender, And it said, the dog's coming
Speaker 1: really close. I mean it's getting closer by the second.
Speaker 1: It said, you don't understand. I'm not here to hurt you.
Speaker 1: We're here to help you. And about that time, Rosie
Speaker 1: comes out of the forest and this thing just disappears
Speaker 1: right in front. She ran on out of hearing for
Speaker 1: a good quarter a mile and didn't come back for
Speaker 1: two days. I didn't see her, but the next when
Speaker 1: when I got back to the house, I noticed Christopher
Speaker 1: couldn't take it anymore. He turned and laying towards the
Speaker 1: house when I was turning left towards the back of
Speaker 1: the process. So I walked back up to the house
Speaker 1: and then was staring through the window. I didn't want
Speaker 1: to tell him what had just happened, because it was
Speaker 1: so he was so messed up already from what he
Speaker 1: had experienced, and so I was a smoker at that time,
Speaker 1: and I had to. He wouldn't let me back outside.
Speaker 1: It wouldn't have going outside. So I walked in my
Speaker 1: study and I put my knees on the couch and
Speaker 1: reached over the back to pull the window up. And
Speaker 1: he's not, what are you doing that? I don't do that.
Speaker 1: Don't you can't. Don't open that window. And I said,
Speaker 1: I got a smoke, son. You know, I was hyperventilating
Speaker 1: from what had just happened. I'm not telling it right.
Speaker 1: When I pulled the curtain up with the many blinds.
Speaker 1: I saw this because the floodlights were on all four
Speaker 1: corners of the house. There was this tall figure. It
Speaker 1: was I couldn't make out its details, but it was tall,
Speaker 1: seven foot tall, and it was walking straight towards that window.
Speaker 1: It was about twenty yards out from right in the
Speaker 1: old daylight, I mean the light, not in daylight, the bloodlight,
Speaker 1: and it sent shivers. Threw me so bad. I pulled
Speaker 1: the window down and I grabbed him and said, we're
Speaker 1: going to leave. We're not staying here. And so we
Speaker 1: got in the truck and went about five miles down
Speaker 1: the big Hayfield Park Bear and spent the rest of
Speaker 1: the night. And I got up the next day and
Speaker 1: I didn't have any more symptoms of this Crohn's disease,
Speaker 1: which was terrible. I've had a near death from it,
Speaker 1: and I'd never taken another bit of medicine for it since,
Speaker 1: and I was on it for seventeen and a half years.
Speaker 1: You get home, and you know, you got to tell
Speaker 1: your wife what's happened. You got to tell the rest
Speaker 1: of your family. She doesn't want to hear it. And
Speaker 1: you guys are worried, and rightfully so, about the story
Speaker 1: getting out these other guys. It's a small town kind
Speaker 1: of community. The word spreads, it becomes very hard for
Speaker 1: your family and your kids, especially going to school when
Speaker 1: the word gets out. Right. Oh, it was terrible doors out,
Speaker 1: you know. I was, I'm married, I've sent across the
Speaker 1: hole in this girl. I was born a Baptist and
Speaker 1: we've been married forty years in June. But she'd being
Speaker 1: a mother, like he's always been the best mom, and
Speaker 1: with four little kids there and my daughter ten years old,
Speaker 1: and I'm talking about aliens or whatever it was, these
Speaker 1: UFOs and it was scaring the children, so she didn't
Speaker 1: want me talking about it. So I kind of went
Speaker 1: in just depression, felt like I couldn't tell what it was,
Speaker 1: all bottled up. Then he said, for about ten months
Speaker 1: I didn't say anything, but the whole community I already knew,
Speaker 1: and the church was already there sprinkling holy water on
Speaker 1: my property and on me, and thinking I was playing
Speaker 1: with the devil himself. And so finally I had to
Speaker 1: tell it. And I saw Stanton Freeman on one of
Speaker 1: the UFO shows UFO files, and he mentioned the word
Speaker 1: movepon so I looked them up and I filed it
Speaker 1: with port and they can't. They called me right away
Speaker 1: and it was scared me. I'm like, I just wanted
Speaker 1: to write it out and send it to you. I
Speaker 1: weren't looking for anybody to come talk, but they insisted,
Speaker 1: and I put them off from October until February of
Speaker 1: the following year before i'd let them come. And when
Speaker 1: they did, in too much time, they had done a
Speaker 1: Discovery Channel show. It was all that quick. That story
Speaker 1: you telling the book about that encounter with Moufon. If
Speaker 1: it had just been a mouf On investigation, that could
Speaker 1: have been fine, but they wanted to do this TV show,
Speaker 1: and so the investigation was really for the TV show,
Speaker 1: and they pressured you into agreeing to go on the
Speaker 1: show with them, and then when you show up to
Speaker 1: do what you thought was going to be an interview,
Speaker 1: they had you walk into a room and do a
Speaker 1: light detective test. Right they should they live? And it
Speaker 1: was it was horrible. The whole thing was horrible because
Speaker 1: they convinced me because the community was so hard on
Speaker 1: us and my children. They were actually trying to get
Speaker 1: the children away from me, because you know, this is
Speaker 1: just the way the church was thinking. You know, you
Speaker 1: don't need to be around him. He's doing something. You know,
Speaker 1: it's got to be a devil. But they convinced me
Speaker 1: that we would be vindicated, will vindicate you. We got
Speaker 1: the evidence, you know, we got all this. We had
Speaker 1: circles burned in the yard. They found evidence in the
Speaker 1: soil and on the trees, and there was eight other
Speaker 1: witnesses around the community that came forward. But now they
Speaker 1: didn't do any of that. They did what they called
Speaker 1: what Jim told me it was a hack. He felt
Speaker 1: bad about it when he thought. And that's when hell,
Speaker 1: you might say, part of my language set in, because
Speaker 1: now it's my children are going to school and the
Speaker 1: classmates are making fun of them and their father the
Speaker 1: creature who call them about to tell the story, and
Speaker 1: then the whole school would laugh at them, and it ruined.
Speaker 1: It really messed my children up, and I felt responsible
Speaker 1: for it the whole time. But the weird thing was
Speaker 1: is National can right away in Oa, and they were
Speaker 1: the only folks that made sense. And there was a lot.
Speaker 1: You know, we've been studied for fifteen years by the government,
Speaker 1: according to GYM, more than anybody in the world, and
Speaker 1: by many different agencies you know CIA, D A, d
Speaker 1: D even, you know British Intelligence and Australian FBI, plenty
Speaker 1: different agencies, different people. Yeah, it was. It was a rough,
Speaker 1: rough time. The things get a little bit better for
Speaker 1: you because of an experience your wife pass We're going
Speaker 1: to go to a break in about two minutes, but
Speaker 1: you know your wife doesn't want to hear it until
Speaker 1: the day she has something. I think it was in
Speaker 1: broad daylight, right, Yeah, we were we were celebrating, you know,
Speaker 1: the school starting back, so they wanted to go water
Speaker 1: skiing or doing something. And we were in my little study,
Speaker 1: all of my children, and I'm sitting on the couch
Speaker 1: with my back to three windows along that wall, and
Speaker 1: she's facing us in a recliner, and one of my
Speaker 1: other boys was sitting close to her. They were facing
Speaker 1: three os. And suddenly her it was in June or
Speaker 1: July or maybe August, it was late in the year,
Speaker 1: and her eyes got biggest sauces. She turned white, and
Speaker 1: she jumped up and couldn't speak. Oh, she was doing
Speaker 1: this point. What had happened is I'd been praying that
Speaker 1: she would see this so she would understand, and immediately
Speaker 1: that didn't go ever too good. When after I told
Speaker 1: her I've been praying for you, this what happened, she
Speaker 1: got madaged, don't ever pray for me again. But what
Speaker 1: had happened was just being kind of glided up behind
Speaker 1: me and look through the window. It was seven foot
Speaker 1: tall at least, but through the window at her I
Speaker 1: can't We couldn't see it because it was behind us.
Speaker 1: But my other son and she saw it playing today
Speaker 1: and it paused for a second and just kind of
Speaker 1: glided off. It wasn't walking, it wasn't moving up and down.
Speaker 1: It was just like floating in the air. Listen to
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