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Speaker 1: He is drink chess, motherfucking podcast man. He's a legends

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Speaker 1: every Queen's rapper. He ain't say greed. That's your boy

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Speaker 1: in O R E.

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Speaker 2: He's a Miami hip pop mioneer.

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Speaker 1: What up?

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Speaker 2: It's d J E f N.

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Speaker 3: Together they drink it up with.

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Speaker 1: Some of the biggest players, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: And the most professional, unprofessional podcast and your number one

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Speaker 1: source for drunk drink chants mother for every day is

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Speaker 1: New Year's Eve. Listen, it's time for drink champions.

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Speaker 2: Drink up mother?

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Speaker 1: Would it good? Be hoping he's gonna sup be this

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Speaker 1: your boy in O R What up?

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Speaker 2: His DJ E f N and.

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Speaker 1: This drink chans mother mix up? And right now we

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Speaker 1: have a legend, legends long overdue, long overdue.

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Speaker 3: This man's show has changed.

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Speaker 4: He has raised he has so many he has so

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Speaker 4: many children and hip hop easy easy.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: He's like three point thirty.

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Speaker 4: This man controlled everyone's life. Uh, he's a pioneer. If

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Speaker 4: it wasn't for him, there wouldn't be so much things

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Speaker 4: that happened this show, particularly podcast people controlling radio. He's

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Speaker 4: been doing it, entrepreneur from back then to now, still

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Speaker 4: doing it. His story is so beautiful. You got to

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Speaker 4: see the show, the documentary on the showtime, you got

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Speaker 4: to see that so beautiful. He's the motherfucking very first

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Speaker 4: that I've seen that looked like me that I got

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Speaker 4: to see every day.

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Speaker 1: Mother.

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Speaker 3: In case you don't know what we're talking about, motherfucker impeccable.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. Yes, yes, yo, been waiting a long time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we've been waiting a long time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So so let's talk about the documentary be real quick, Yes, sir.

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Speaker 4: You know what I love the fact that about the

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Speaker 4: documentary is it was put together so well but goes

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Speaker 4: that even if a person didn't know that, because I

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Speaker 4: always say like it was it was that feeling at

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Speaker 1: The cassettes and like you know, going home.

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Speaker 4: But but let me ask you, I was, I was

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Speaker 4: doing so much research right And at the time when

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Speaker 4: you started this show, there wasn't even rap videos.

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Speaker 1: No, the hip hop artists didn't get a rap video.

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Speaker 1: Everybody when you first came. I don't think they did

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Speaker 1: the first single maybe maybe you, but no no war

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Speaker 1: reportant war reporting, No, no no, this is that's before.

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Speaker 3: But what I'm saying is when you first started the show,

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Speaker 3: you was playing like Chaka Khan.

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Speaker 4: It really wasn't just just hip hop. How did how did.

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Speaker 1: Well look then to go back to the hip hop videos,

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Speaker 4: That, you had to go find the hip hop right Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we would get y'all would get the vhs.

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Speaker 3: When you hear somebody like him in Miami stated that.

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Speaker 5: Some people couldn't understand It's please It was how scarce

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Speaker 1: So Rock Sande Chante is being honored by the Payton

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Speaker 3: But he knows it now.

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Speaker 1: But that's double that he's stapping into his network, come

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Speaker 1: the Queens. I brought him the Jamaica Queen. What is

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Speaker 1: let's do it.

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Speaker 3: Fab.

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Speaker 1: He said, he caught Fab. He's a fab.

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Speaker 2: Come with me.

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Speaker 1: I said, you better than Fab out here. Come on now,

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Speaker 1: let's go bath from Harlem. You Queen's.

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Speaker 3: I'm abouts around a little bit. Uh.

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Speaker 4: The first time you ever got called or even heard

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Speaker 3: That was serious though.

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Speaker 3: And I heard you was even the one who bunged

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Speaker 1: Latifa wasn't with it nobody because Hollywood was front Hollywood

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Speaker 3: They was whack. It was corny.

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Speaker 1: You know, and everybody was like, nah, we don't want

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Speaker 1: did Public Enemy videos too, and I did a lot

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Speaker 2: I want to get it all in.

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Speaker 1: so all of those things came to the table. Amazing soundtrack,

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Speaker 1: Naughty was wild like that, which being rock camp.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, everything on there, it's crazy, it's crazy.

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Speaker 3: That felt like a real authentic hip hop movie.

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Speaker 1: It all came together, you know, like you want to

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Speaker 2: You try your best but this one did.

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Speaker 2: It inspired me as a DJ just seeing the DJ

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Speaker 1: They they did a great job on that. That the

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Speaker 3: Hey man, ready for it? Let's go. Okay, we didn't

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Speaker 1: At the time we're shooting Juice, there's another movie being

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Speaker 1: shot called want to Finished Business? What Halle Barry A

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Speaker 1: you know cool Andre Herald Production, So R and B

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Speaker 1: I've seen the script for Juice. I want to play Tupac.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 1: So I said, that's the one Well, I mean I

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Speaker 3: So I'm like, I'm dead ass I never heard this.

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Speaker 1: This is a real story because I'm the only person

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Speaker 5: He just wanted to row. I want to roll right,

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Speaker 5: you know, crazy crazy wow. So he so Pak never

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's platt videos before a platinum plat where's it

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 3: Yes? Whis it gives you this protect your neck tape VHS?

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Speaker 1: Not even the big professional table. It was like a

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Speaker 4: But whiz it comes is? Is he is he doing

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Speaker 1: Or because because you know by halving the numbers on there,

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Speaker 3: Clearly, No, you didn't mixed. You didn't mixed the record.

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Speaker 1: People want to get on the show so bad they

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Speaker 1: don't give it. Damn what they give me, right, that's real.

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Speaker 1: And that was one of those instances that's the way

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Speaker 1: You. That name sounded crazy to at the time.

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Speaker 2: It was black and white. I believe that, Yeah, it

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Speaker 2: So when he came, I'm thinking, it's.

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00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:33,280
Speaker 1: That that he's coming, which is polished, more polish, but

442
00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:34,280
Speaker 1: it's way happy.

443
00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:35,800
Speaker 2: It's not even.

444
00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:40,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's very happy.

445
00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:44,080
Speaker 1: And so when he gave it to me, I was like, oh,

446
00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:46,479
Speaker 1: this is something different, you know, it's like totally different.

447
00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:50,080
Speaker 1: And I kept playing it and then Steve Rifkin calls me.

448
00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:52,720
Speaker 1: I knew Steve Rifkin because he was a guy that

449
00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:56,680
Speaker 1: would give you like chromo vinyl and and and Steve

450
00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:58,640
Speaker 1: Rickkin took me the Ice Teas house when I went

451
00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:01,240
Speaker 1: to l A. He's like, we want to go to

452
00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:03,720
Speaker 1: Icy house. So I was like, yeah, he went to

453
00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:06,440
Speaker 1: Icedy's house. I was like, Oh, is that the house

454
00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:06,920
Speaker 1: with the roof?

455
00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:07,280
Speaker 3: Yeah?

456
00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:10,480
Speaker 1: Opened up. Well, this is when he was with Darleens. Yeah,

457
00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:13,080
Speaker 1: not that I know Coco love Coco. This is back

458
00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:15,840
Speaker 1: in the days. And so we early and he's like

459
00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:18,960
Speaker 1: and I meet Iced Tea and I'm like, okay, so

460
00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:21,879
Speaker 1: this dude is cool. Steve Rifkins, what were you doing, Steve?

461
00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:24,639
Speaker 1: What's going on? So Steve he called me for I'm

462
00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:27,239
Speaker 1: trying to get in contact with Rizza. I said, this

463
00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:29,879
Speaker 1: is we don't have we have beepers. Maybe, Dan, we

464
00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:34,119
Speaker 1: don't have no cell phones. I don't think you said beepers. Yeah,

465
00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:41,960
Speaker 1: So so I'm like, you know, he shows up, when

466
00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:44,680
Speaker 1: he shows up, I don't know. So then some months,

467
00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:47,760
Speaker 1: some weeks go by and then I get another copy

468
00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,199
Speaker 1: of the video and it says Loud Records on it.

469
00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:52,520
Speaker 3: Now, so I said, oh, you got signed.

470
00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:56,359
Speaker 1: They got signed, the same version with the numbers on,

471
00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:58,639
Speaker 1: but it's it's just in their case, it in their

472
00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:01,800
Speaker 1: own box and sent it out and that was it,

473
00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:05,960
Speaker 1: and Rizza said, yo. Rizzi was grateful that I played

474
00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,399
Speaker 1: Protect your Neck the way I did, you know, and

475
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:11,600
Speaker 1: you know, let me tell you mix shows played it,

476
00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:13,480
Speaker 1: but when it's on that TV, it's a little different.

477
00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:14,840
Speaker 3: It's a little different.

478
00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:20,639
Speaker 1: And I said, yo, man, you know, I'm glad that

479
00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:22,560
Speaker 1: y'all got a deal because I went from doing excellent

480
00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:25,120
Speaker 1: that was the end the X clan and then came

481
00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:28,560
Speaker 1: Wu Tang Clan like right behind each other. So he said, yo,

482
00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:30,040
Speaker 1: y'all got another record. You don't want you to do

483
00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:32,240
Speaker 1: the video? I said, which was the name of song.

484
00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:35,479
Speaker 1: He said, cream. So I gave me the cassette. I'm

485
00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:40,959
Speaker 1: riding in the car like what m Cash threws. I'm like,

486
00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:44,160
Speaker 1: oh this is this is way different from protecting your neck.

487
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,040
Speaker 1: So you wrote that treatment for the video that I

488
00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:48,480
Speaker 1: wrote the whole treatment and my idea was the first

489
00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:52,600
Speaker 1: time working with them, yeah, continue. All of the videos

490
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,040
Speaker 1: that they did before that were shot in State Nland

491
00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:57,120
Speaker 1: because they wanted to show, like, you know, stant Noyd,

492
00:22:57,119 --> 00:22:58,000
Speaker 1: we're from stan Island.

493
00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:00,480
Speaker 2: We were right here, y'all come to us. And I

494
00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:01,560
Speaker 2: was like, ya, gotta come out of State.

495
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:04,560
Speaker 1: So I shot in front of Willie Bergers in Harlem,

496
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:06,159
Speaker 1: so let Harlem niggas know.

497
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,919
Speaker 3: Look see they up here too. You know.

498
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:12,520
Speaker 1: We shot Time Square because that was international. Let's let's

499
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:16,360
Speaker 1: you know, you get that that big side and here

500
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,280
Speaker 1: so and so ray Kuan said, oh you got a plan.

501
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:21,159
Speaker 1: I said, yeah, yeah, we're gon We're gonna take it

502
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,440
Speaker 1: outside of stant Now we shoot some pit parts and

503
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:27,080
Speaker 1: stand now we shot in the projects and and then

504
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:30,400
Speaker 1: we shot, you know, in in Manhattan because I wanted

505
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:32,200
Speaker 1: to let everybody know they not just from Stanton.

506
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:33,120
Speaker 3: Now this is new York.

507
00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:37,320
Speaker 1: So how tough was that back then? Like when you

508
00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:39,200
Speaker 1: say locations.

509
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,960
Speaker 4: Now people have these little cameras and they could just

510
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 4: go and just go anywhere.

511
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:44,760
Speaker 3: But back then, yeah, it was.

512
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 4: Everything was crazy and yeah, like big trucks. Yeah, big

513
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:50,440
Speaker 4: trucks and stuff like that. So how was that was

514
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:51,000
Speaker 4: that hard?

515
00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 3: Yeah?

516
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 1: Did you have to pull permits? Well, in the beginning,

517
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:58,479
Speaker 1: we didn't. We just was you know, oh no, no, no,

518
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:01,159
Speaker 1: we college students. We just doing the college film. You know,

519
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:03,960
Speaker 1: you get away that for a little while with cats

520
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:05,359
Speaker 1: like Norri and them starts showing up.

521
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:14,040
Speaker 2: Don't look like college film. I think everybody's used shooting

522
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:14,960
Speaker 2: the college project.

523
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,360
Speaker 1: Right, you got a white beard man.

524
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:17,960
Speaker 3: So once we.

525
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:21,120
Speaker 1: Got past that, especially my partner, me and my partner

526
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,400
Speaker 1: Line of the Big Kid, he's a big kid. Big

527
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:27,320
Speaker 1: Kid was doing you know, bel biv DeVoe, the whole album,

528
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:30,639
Speaker 1: Boys to Men, the whole album, shooting the whole video,

529
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:38,200
Speaker 1: the whole the videos of TLC, every video. Yeah, we

530
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:40,640
Speaker 1: was on the road, man, we didn't look at least

531
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:42,399
Speaker 1: four or five hundred videos.

532
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 2: Wow.

533
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:49,400
Speaker 1: And then my intern picked up where we left off. Williams.

534
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:54,879
Speaker 1: Williams is my intern. Yeah, he's he's my he's my

535
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:56,840
Speaker 1: he's my guy. I go pick him up on Lynden

536
00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:00,720
Speaker 1: Boulevards where he lived at around where Cons and Tip

537
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 1: and and everybody right in that area, Saint Aubans, and

538
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 1: I'll go pick a handle car. Come on, let's go

539
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 1: seven in the morn. We gotta be the set by nine,

540
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 1: let's go boom, get to set. He would be like

541
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,160
Speaker 1: the dude who would like, Okay, I want to let's

542
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 1: paint the whole room purple. And he would come in

543
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:18,879
Speaker 1: and paint the room purple, but he would add a

544
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 1: little flat to it. I I like that. That was different.

545
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:23,399
Speaker 1: You can't just putting the purple, you know. So we

546
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 1: always had something creative with him. And then he started

547
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,120
Speaker 1: asking me could he do videos? And I said all right,

548
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 1: and and I gave him a video my man just

549
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 1: passed away strictly roots my man Dion Broadway from the Bronx.

550
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,160
Speaker 1: And he did that video and he did a great

551
00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:46,439
Speaker 1: job with it. And then another guy we had, I

552
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 1: gave him positive k Uh, what's the positive k I got?

553
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:54,360
Speaker 2: I got a man, he said, I got a player

554
00:25:58,680 --> 00:25:59,680
Speaker 2: using the crib.

555
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 1: He's going back to that. But but a lot of

556
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 1: a lot of guys came through, and we we gave

557
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 1: them opportunities. You know, clearly Hype was most successful. So

558
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,160
Speaker 1: much sense, Yeah, that makes so much sense. I don't

559
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 1: even I don't even know how I didn't put two

560
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 1: or two together and know that already, like I think

561
00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 1: I did. But yeah, so so you knew, like you

562
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,680
Speaker 1: know how you can? You said, like when you heard

563
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:32,359
Speaker 1: who you can look and see little stars? Can you

564
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,959
Speaker 1: do that with a video directors? Like? Can you? Did

565
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 1: you know Hype will be this big? I knew he

566
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,480
Speaker 1: was creative, he wasn't scared. And you know that's the

567
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 1: thing about you know, telling, working with people and creating

568
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 1: a scene. Don't be afraid to try something different, you know,

569
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 1: like you know when you're making video artists, you know,

570
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 1: like I want some different angles, man, I need some

571
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,480
Speaker 1: different you know, give me some fly ship, change the

572
00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:00,439
Speaker 1: lens or something, you know, like do that kind of ship, right?

573
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 3: And you see Hype in that what you're saying.

574
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,120
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, he was putting vasoline on the lens.

575
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:08,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, what you doing?

576
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:12,879
Speaker 2: That sounds so different?

577
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 1: Why did Hype get his name?

578
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 3: Hype? The name? Oh graffiti?

579
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:27,400
Speaker 1: Okay, let's go let's go back.

580
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:30,679
Speaker 3: You start the show.

581
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 4: To start, uh, to create your own videos?

582
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:38,400
Speaker 3: Right?

583
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 1: Is that like not like like I see Oprah? Right?

584
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:46,199
Speaker 4: Oprah has this magazine every month. You know who's on

585
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 4: the front cover open magazine Oprah? So is that something like?

586
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 4: Was that type of my entireity?

587
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 3: Like yo, let me, let me, let me try to

588
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,680
Speaker 3: control the atmosphere or how did that work?

589
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:02,400
Speaker 1: Maybe I should have. I wasn't like that at all

590
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 1: because I didn't want all that attention. I never even

591
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 1: got into this to when I first started the show.

592
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 2: You never saw me. You used to hear my voice?

593
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

594
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 1: So the people at the station was like, people want

595
00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 1: to see you again in request.

596
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:18,960
Speaker 2: They want to know who's the guy behind the foot.

597
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,400
Speaker 1: So then I started. First place I showed my face

598
00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 1: was that the Roxy. Okay, it was Mellie Melo, it

599
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 1: was anybody was at the Roxy. I never even met

600
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 1: these dudes. I'm from Coins, these they from from the Bronx.

601
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 1: I never met these guys, but they all there. I'm like, Wow,

602
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 1: this is real hip hop.

603
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 3: You know you.

604
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 1: Know I know who, but they didn't know you. Not

605
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 1: well they did, actually they did, and and and that

606
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 1: was the crazy part because they knew my voice, they

607
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:45,239
Speaker 1: knew my name.

608
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 2: Let's put that.

609
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 1: They might not have seen me before, but they knew

610
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 1: my name. I remember mister Magic came to this, to

611
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 1: the to the to the to where I was doing

612
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 1: the show, but he just want to see who's who

613
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 1: the fuck is Rob mc daniels, I'm mister Magic.

614
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 5: But did you think he thought as your platform as

615
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 5: a competitive.

616
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 1: Thing to yeah anything, If you was on that, you

617
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: had people's attention and people was talking about you. Who

618
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 1: is that?

619
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 2: Because mister Magic was Thelly Magic.

620
00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 1: Molly Molly wasn't there, but Magic was there and Flat

621
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 1: Time the bigger fly Time from co Chilling Records.

622
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 3: He really gave us our first start with.

623
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 1: Doing the videos Shante, Bismal Key, Cougie Rap Caine, We

624
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 1: did all those videos.

625
00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 3: That was our first.

626
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 2: It was crazy, man. We didn't I wanted to do

627
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 2: death jam stuff.

628
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 1: Russell was fronting really and from I'm from from Queens Village, Hollers,

629
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 1: I'm from right there and I'm like, rush yoh, let

630
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 1: us do a couple of videos, man, not even Curtis

631
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 1: blow videos. Well by the time we got it. By

632
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 1: that time, Kurt's kind of slowing down. That's after the

633
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 1: breaks and Christmas wrapping and all that. But Kurts, I'm in,

634
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 1: but I don't even think. Oh they did have a video, right,

635
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 1: had basketball and a couple of other video But yeah,

636
00:29:57,720 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 1: that was a that was a great time for us

637
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 1: to to develop ourselves do business with these guys who

638
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 1: are the new hip hop entrepreneurs Russell Simmons, Tom Ron Williams,

639
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 1: Andre Herrel, Right, these are the new guys. There's a

640
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 1: couple of guys from uptown, some old gangster dudes that

641
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 1: got labels. But we only sucking up because they on

642
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 1: some other time. But these are dudes that are really

643
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 1: at the party in the culture. Okay, were with it,

644
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 1: We with it. We're gonna were gonna mess with y'all.

645
00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 1: Hip hop was always not a nice thing, right, Yeah,

646
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 1: that part is you know, like from back in the

647
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 1: parks days, you know the dreads that come and take

648
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,360
Speaker 1: your equipment and all that, you know, or just some

649
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 1: dude that just he's just gonna take your stuff. Just

650
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,479
Speaker 1: when you see them, you're like, damn, they're gonna take

651
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 1: our ship.

652
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 3: We could do about it. The damn thing we could do.

653
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 2: Let me ask you the Box, which was out here

654
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 2: in Miami.

655
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 3: That was out here.

656
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 2: That's a big deal for us too.

657
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 3: But what did that affect the show at one point?

658
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 1: Like, no, it didn't affect us in any way. So

659
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 1: the Box, you know, they used to call us the

660
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 1: Box for sure. The streets we call video naming, the

661
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 1: shows called video He's but they would going going home

662
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 1: and watch the Box.

663
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 2: I see you later, boom.

664
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 1: So when the Box came out, you know, you pay

665
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 1: money to get to see the video, and they the

666
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 1: list would come up and we picked this video, Luke,

667
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 1: you know whatever, I want to rock. H So now

668
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 1: these videos are coming on, people think that it's us, right,

669
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 1: but that's not me. Is that clear? I didn't know

670
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 1: it at the time. I didn't even know that MTV

671
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 1: created the Box. Yes, really, MTV created the Box, but

672
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 1: there was no They didn't say MTV production, didn't say

673
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 1: viacom or nothing on. This crazy MTV created about the

674
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 1: Box was a money grab. The whole idea was record

675
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 1: labels were spending.

676
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 3: Straight.

677
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 2: They would have a dude and I knew that wanted

678
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 2: the dudes.

679
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:13,920
Speaker 1: One of my homies DJ was it was one of

680
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 1: the program directors there.

681
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, he realized that then, Like like I was, I

682
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 4: was a fan, so I didn't know.

683
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 1: You know how you knew keep paying that. But this

684
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 1: is how you knew when you bought, you ordered a video.

685
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 1: You see a million videos before your video ever came out.

686
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 1: That's because and then you see the same video.

687
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,479
Speaker 5: It's because the same videos that they would run, they

688
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:34,480
Speaker 5: would pay it off.

689
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 2: That was all of boom.

690
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 1: And there was a guy sitting in his house and

691
00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,480
Speaker 1: he was just spending and it could work his money

692
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 1: and it worked. That was his job.

693
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 5: It worked because you would get programmed by seeing that

694
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 5: video over and over.

695
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 1: It broke a lot of audists. Yeah, yeah, I feel

696
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:47,960
Speaker 1: like he got broken.

697
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 5: Come on, why does he keep coming up on h

698
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 5: give an executive champion? Real hip hop ship?

699
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 1: What's my man from Texas? I used to play a

700
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 1: lot o man? What's that guy's name? Mexican guy? He

701
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 1: was hot, Oh, straight gangster. There's a lot of it

702
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 1: sounds like a lot of people. Damn, I forgot, I

703
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 1: forgot South Park Mexican Mexican. Yeah, come on, come on,

704
00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: come on, come on, come on. I know I can't

705
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 1: forget Kid Frost.

706
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 2: It's Panic carriage, that's right. So my wife is Puerto Rican.

707
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 4: Big, your wife make some night. Have you ever been

708
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 4: wrong about a video? Like someone sending you a video

709
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 4: you not play it and.

710
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 1: You're like damn or you playing and it was not? Yeah,

711
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 1: I missed. I missed a couple. Yeah, I mean, I'm

712
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: trying to think of like a good example. They probably

713
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 1: with some like I mean, there were records that would

714
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 1: hit records, but not in New York, right, And I.

715
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 2: Didn't play it. And then when I went.

716
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,280
Speaker 1: Somewhere elf, it was like what people were going crazy

717
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 1: to the records, you.

718
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 6: Know, like you don't worry about that all the time. Yeah, yeah,

719
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,720
Speaker 6: I didn't know. I was throwing down of you because

720
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 6: me and him were arguing about that all the time.

721
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:22,840
Speaker 6: I argue, but we we debate.

722
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 4: It's like back then, it was almost like your records

723
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 4: had to sound like New York to get because you know,

724
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 4: obviously it was controlling.

725
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:33,480
Speaker 1: We had, we had, we had to think, and it.

726
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 3: Almost seemed like people wanted to have their records sound

727
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 3: like New York.

728
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 1: Business of hip hop was centralized in New York time.

729
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 2: So everybody we.

730
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 1: First seen sales sales because I thought they was from

731
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 1: Brooklyn Side everybody was cyper sales and work like yeah.

732
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:51,680
Speaker 2: And I told I told be Real that he's that.

733
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 2: I I know everybody.

734
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,360
Speaker 1: Everybody had to go in through the back.

735
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 2: Door and puzzling to New York.

736
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, like to like make a sound that was relatable

737
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 5: to New York sound to kind of get in the door.

738
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 1: But like when I played n w A, it wasn't

739
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 1: playing on the radio in New York, and I just

740
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,239
Speaker 1: felt like, whatever, now I'm going to LA now because

741
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:17,280
Speaker 1: I'm working, I'm doing videos out there, so I'm seeing

742
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 1: there's a whole scene in LA.

743
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:19,839
Speaker 3: So I'm aware of it.

744
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 1: New York people not really aware of it because they

745
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 1: haven't seen it, you know.

746
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 2: But n w A.

747
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is hard, this is this is like

748
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 1: West Coast public Enemy. Yeah, that's exactly.

749
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 3: That's the way I took it.

750
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 2: That's the way I looked at it too.

751
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 1: We're gonna play this and people were like, man, what's

752
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 1: he got? Jerry curleson I'm playing easy E too. We

753
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 1: weren't easy. Yeah. He came out first, his album first,

754
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 1: right album was just a s no no no.

755
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 2: His whole album came out first.

756
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jim Jones said, man, when you played that easy.

757
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:53,879
Speaker 1: I felt like I was him when he busts out

758
00:35:53,880 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 1: of the jail. But Green Green it was hard, you know,

759
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 1: like it was it was, it was, it was. It

760
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 1: was something that was New York. Wasn't playing those records

761
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 1: on the radio. You know, you didn't hear those records.

762
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 1: You know, you might have heard, you know, once in

763
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 1: a while a couple, but it definitely wasn't a New

764
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 1: York sound. It didn't go in the mix because New

765
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 1: York it was basically mixed show. Basically at that point

766
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 1: in New York. It wasn't like ninety seven, you know,

767
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 1: five or anything.

768
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 2: It wasn't a rotation.

769
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:27,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, it wasn't. It wasn't that.

770
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:29,720
Speaker 2: So we broke a lot of records.

771
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 3: Luke.

772
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:34,560
Speaker 1: Luke told me that we played his song more in

773
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 1: New York than in Miami, which record two like Crew

774
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,919
Speaker 1: or Luke two Live Crew. I played two Live Crew first.

775
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,359
Speaker 1: I Want to Rock clearly was a big hit. We

776
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: played that a lot. That was Luke actually, but he

777
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 1: played but he said something. I can imagine we played

778
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: move something yet and but he said that his records

779
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 1: wasn't on the radio in Miami.

780
00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 3: I believe it.

781
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:00,879
Speaker 2: He said they were in the clubs Miami bass.

782
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:02,319
Speaker 1: I mean I was a kid a on it, but yeah,

783
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 1: but it was definitely the club high radio. I was

784
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 1: playing it on the on the on the playing videos

785
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,760
Speaker 1: because it was all the girls in baby suits.

786
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 2: You know, it's Miami.

787
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 3: It looked good and you could get.

788
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:15,880
Speaker 1: Away with that at that time, from three thirty to

789
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 1: four dirty yeah Okayrazyn Wow, Yeah, it was lit. So

790
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 1: did you ever get video music box out here? No,

791
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 1: we would get it. We would get recorded tape, recorded tapes, okay.

792
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

793
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 1: Man, Like people would make like their own version of

794
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 1: a mixtape, like like a VHS mixtape, and they would.

795
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:36,879
Speaker 2: Have snippets from Video Music Box in it.

796
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:40,320
Speaker 3: Wow, I'm gonna make it available. Well yeah, cause I

797
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 3: see in a documentary you got all these archives.

798
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:44,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, twenty thousand hours.

799
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 1: We started a nonprofit Video Music Box collection because it

800
00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 1: takes real time. You have these are all tapes, analog tapes.

801
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,320
Speaker 1: You got to play it out in real time to

802
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: digitize it. And so I'll be here to ninety years

803
00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:59,760
Speaker 1: old doing this. So we had to get some money

804
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 1: big up to you know, people that contributed, Ben Hardwiz,

805
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 1: some others. It's history, man, it has, preserving it, archiving it.

806
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, making sure that when we all

807
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 1: along and gone, even if you didn't keep a personal history,

808
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 1: we have something. It might not be the whole story, yes,

809
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: but we have something that we say, yeah, this is

810
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 1: what this person did, This is what IFN did. This

811
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 1: is what you know, so that it exists and not

812
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: overproduced like raw Like I want to get you know,

813
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:37,600
Speaker 1: CNN in the Sweaty club in Queens or in Brooklyn

814
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 1: and you know fight's about to jump off. I want

815
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 1: that footage, right, I want that energy. It exists. That's

816
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 1: the purest organic form of it. Fat Joe said, Man,

817
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 1: you know how many times, Ralph, you were right in

818
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:56,839
Speaker 1: the middle of some just about to jump off, and

819
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 1: you're just there And the only reason I hasn't jumped.

820
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,919
Speaker 3: Up because you're there. Right. Is that good?

821
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 2: Is that bad?

822
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 3: He's like, no, it's good.

823
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 1: He just edited himself right now, he says, she's about

824
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:14,720
Speaker 1: to jump off. You know, like when.

825
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 4: When we used to we used to see like, uh,

826
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 4: you guys in the club, what was that tape the

827
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 4: night before?

828
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:24,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, or it could have been the week before, it

829
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 1: could have been week yeah, it could have been a

830
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 1: week before. We tried to get it out as quickly

831
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 1: as we could. One of the fastest I got out

832
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 1: was the Fresh Vest back in eighty five. Okay, that

833
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:39,439
Speaker 1: was the first hip hop concert. M Yeah, first big

834
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,760
Speaker 1: on that's Beasti's on there, No, No, it's run DMC

835
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:46,839
Speaker 1: is the headline. Houdini, Fat Boys, Hot Boys for sure,

836
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 1: Master Flash Serious five L got like one record I

837
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:50,799
Speaker 1: need to beat?

838
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 2: Does one record on there?

839
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,840
Speaker 3: Maybe too? Okay? And so.

840
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 1: Oh and the Dynamic Rockets they was up there was

841
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 1: they was dancing, dancing brow and they did a whole routine,

842
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 1: but like a like a stage routine still and you.

843
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:09,439
Speaker 3: Got to put this out like six days or something

844
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 3: like that. Right.

845
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 1: I read that immediately because I said, somebody going, but

846
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:15,799
Speaker 1: nobody had it. And there was one other camera I've

847
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:18,920
Speaker 1: never seen that angle, but nobody else had it. And

848
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 1: that was like the changing of the guards. Because there's

849
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 1: a scene in there where Grand Master Cats and Rundiums

850
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 1: and and Run DMC are crossing each other. The one's

851
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 1: going into the just rooms On's coming out and you

852
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 1: look at grand Master Cat, Grandmas Cat looks like Rick

853
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: James right outfit right and run DMC is the Leather,

854
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 1: No Leaves Black, the b Boy Adidas, what's up? Like

855
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 1: they was straight off the block, straight off for Holosat.

856
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 1: We just jumped in and were going into the arena.

857
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 1: We're gonna get on stage and rocket out. I was like,

858
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 1: dam look at the difference in hip hop right there?

859
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 1: Look at this?

860
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 2: So you saw it in real time? I saw it

861
00:40:58,840 --> 00:40:59,319
Speaker 2: in real time.

862
00:40:59,320 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 3: I got this.

863
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 1: I made the still is going to put it out

864
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 1: of that moment because that was a big moment to

865
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 1: me because I saw it. And you know, Jermaine Dupriez

866
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 1: is the dancer for UDINII. That's that, that's from that,

867
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 1: for this, that's that's my footage from that.

868
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 2: All the footage that they come him as a kid.

869
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it's crazy because that's how to be watching

870
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 1: hip hop that long is pretty amazing. Thank God I'm

871
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 1: still here to talk about it. And that's why it

872
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: was important for me to come on here because everybody

873
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: keep going, oh yeah, yes, yes, please.

874
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 4: Our show is about giving people their flowers when they

875
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 4: alive while they hear and tell you how great you

876
00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 4: all face to face man, and man, it wasn't for you,

877
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 4: it wouldn't be a lot of us, so.

878
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 3: We will watch nice.

879
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, oh man, it's like double O seven.

880
00:41:57,800 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 3: You know.

881
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: I tell you one thing though, you know, when I

882
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 1: came in here, I was definitely a little high because

883
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 1: glory is blowing some good.

884
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 4: I wasn't back then because people was going to jail

885
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 4: for Joyce back then. Well I wasn't at the Q

886
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 4: clubs and things like that when you was filming.

887
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 3: Was they allowed to smoke back then?

888
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,479
Speaker 1: He wasn't allowed to. But you know at Q club

889
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 1: you get away because that was a Jamaican spot. But

890
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:28,319
Speaker 1: I always say, damn man, you know how many people

891
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 1: are still locked up for some bullshit we now? You know,

892
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 1: like I remember the first time I saw Jamaican in Queens.

893
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 2: Like with some cloks. A Jamaican.

894
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 1: A Jamaican right right, he walked down the block, You

895
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 1: walked down the boy And now we were sitting on

896
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 1: the stoop like you know, I'm like young, and I'm like.

897
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:56,959
Speaker 2: What is this dude? Who is this guy?

898
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 1: My family is my family from Trina that but Jamaican

899
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 1: is DIFFERENTS is different.

900
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 3: Bro and dregs.

901
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 1: And I was like and we were looking at him,

902
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 1: we were like who is this guy?

903
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:10,839
Speaker 3: And you know it right.

904
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,360
Speaker 1: It was like Bob Marley and I was like okay,

905
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 1: And so that was the introduction then, you know, because

906
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 1: I'm in Brooklyn at the same time, so I'm seeing

907
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 1: dreds Now all the time. When I moved back a

908
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,359
Speaker 1: graduate from college, I moved back. I'm in the middle

909
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 1: of it. That's why I play a lot of reggae

910
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 1: music on the show too. And you know, because I

911
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 1: hear all, I know all the tunes as soon as

912
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 1: I come out my door, I hear everything, you know.

913
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 2: So the neighbor in the neighborhood flat.

914
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 1: Bush, flat Bush, I think of old motherfucker bro Tea

915
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 1: making Patty and a different Patty with coco bread.

916
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 3: Goddamn no is. So let's let's talk about the brothership connection.

917
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 1: Whoa, whoa, Let's talk about that, the brothership connection. That's

918
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 1: me and my man Lionel, my boy. You know he

919
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 1: was a big kid on TV. That was our original

920
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 1: DJ crew. Oh wow, yeah wow. So it was called

921
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:09,399
Speaker 1: the Brothership Connection and it was that was that went

922
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 1: away real quick, you know, it was like for a

923
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 1: quick hot minute. Then I was I was DJ Ralph McDaniels.

924
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 1: I didn't I never had a you know, like flash.

925
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 1: I never had like Grand Wizard Theater. I never had

926
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: one of them names. I just was like, nah, I'm

927
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 1: just gonna be me. My My regular name is Rob McDaniels.

928
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 1: Then I when what they said the other day that

929
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 1: they had dj D everybody. Yeah, one point everything was

930
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:32,800
Speaker 1: dear E.

931
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,959
Speaker 2: Like my original name was Funk E funk or e funk.

932
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 5: That was my first two original names.

933
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 3: Let's go, let's talk about classic concept. Yeah.

934
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 1: Classic concept was when we when we started doing video

935
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 1: music Box.

936
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 2: We were watching the videos and we were like, you.

937
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 1: Know, like it would say, you know, I was one

938
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty fish Street walking down the I'm like,

939
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:57,720
Speaker 1: that's not one hundred twenty fIF street. They walk, they walking,

940
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 1: That's I don't know where they at, right, who did

941
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 1: this video consulting to us? You know? So I'm like, Wen,

942
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 1: we got to do our own videos. And that's why

943
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 1: we started classic concepts. So it was a classic concept

944
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:12,280
Speaker 1: that we would come up with something that was standing

945
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 1: to test of time, Like it's a production company. That's

946
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 1: the name of our production Yes, the video Yeah, all

947
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 1: the videos we did self destruction you did self destructing incredible, Well,

948
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 1: we want to come up with something that I can't

949
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 1: ever forget this, you know, cares One in the Schomberg.

950
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 3: But hold, let me ask you what we can talk

951
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 3: aboutself the construction.

952
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,359
Speaker 4: Was you a part of making the making the record too,

953
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 4: or just filming a video after the record?

954
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 2: I was around when it was, I wasn't part of it.

955
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 1: I can't say this is the old stop movement that

956
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 1: happened because there was a concert, some kids got stabbed,

957
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:52,399
Speaker 1: one kid might have got killed. This is the when

958
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 1: they changed from gold chains to rope to the medallion

959
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 1: to let them die, So let's stop the you know,

960
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 1: Cares was the first. Probably well he just had a

961
00:46:00,680 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 1: big one and so everybody's like, okay, no more goal,

962
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 1: change leather, the medallions, and and that's when that came about.

963
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:12,800
Speaker 1: And but krus One already had.

964
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 3: Nothing to stop the violence movement.

965
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:18,760
Speaker 1: Stopped the violence movement, right, not self destruction, Yes, stopped

966
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:23,799
Speaker 1: violence in hip hop, well, you know. And so that

967
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 1: was just a build off of that. And then they

968
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 1: gave the D Nice produced that track. The Nice producers

969
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 1: produced it, Yes, yeah, because they I remember when they

970
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 1: were like d Nice is working on the record. He

971
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 1: was just making the record then before the artist. It

972
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 1: makes sense, It makes sense. He was a young guy

973
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 1: at the time. Nobody, everybody at that time was like,

974
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 1: why d Nice Nice on here? Because D Nice was

975
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 1: there was a lot of producers out at that time.

976
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:52,800
Speaker 1: People you didn't even know you. When I first said it,

977
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 1: you were like, right, that's the way everybody else felt.

978
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:56,720
Speaker 1: Did he really?

979
00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 2: But D Nice was, Yeah? D Nice was doing this

980
00:46:59,160 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 2: thing back then.

981
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 5: I mean that record, so I can't and that record

982
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 5: to do the video. How hard was it to get

983
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:09,120
Speaker 5: all those people in line for that video?

984
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,720
Speaker 2: That was hard. She shot it on a Sunday.

985
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 1: Because that's the top two of hip hop at that time. Yeah,

986
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 1: and and not everybody was you know, playing along. Wow

987
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 1: that even for that right, just because like you know

988
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 1: what time they gonna be there. But I think I

989
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 1: think it was a combination of Ann Carley from Job Records, myself,

990
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 1: car Reswan Nelson, George and people and what had just happened.

991
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 1: Like it was a big concert and it was like, Yo,

992
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 1: we're not gonna be able to do no more concerts,

993
00:47:47,719 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 1: no more if you continue to be doing this craziness

994
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:53,240
Speaker 1: at the show. And I think everybody took it seriously,

995
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 1: and I think, oh, my man's brother had got got cut.

996
00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:06,959
Speaker 1: I saw you walking in the rain, right Orange Orange

997
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 1: Juice Jones, his brother his yea, his younger brother was

998
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 1: one of the guys who got cut. So he's in

999
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 1: the doc there's a little documentary on it. He's in

1000
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 1: that talking, so it's kind of close to home. He

1001
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 1: was on death Jam, you know, and Orange Jones was

1002
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 1: kind of hot at that time. And so yeah, so

1003
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 1: people came together. I remember Slick Rick. He looked like

1004
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:28,240
Speaker 1: he just came from the Castle. Castle was in the Bronx.

1005
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 1: Castle was the spot in the Bronx that's where you know,

1006
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 1: all the drug boys was there. Kicking free.

1007
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 2: Was the DJ open to seven in the morning.

1008
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 1: And Rick came down the block with two bottles and

1009
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 1: the coat like it was the album cover. And I

1010
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 1: was like, this, niggas for real right here, a real deal.

1011
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:54,359
Speaker 1: This is before he went to jail, you know. And

1012
00:48:54,440 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 1: so with the jewelry on Bom eighty nine, it is

1013
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:01,879
Speaker 1: really nine.

1014
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 5: Who was your You don't necessarily have to answer this,

1015
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 5: but who was your favorite scene in that self destruction video?

1016
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:12,520
Speaker 5: I can tell you mine was MC light and Public Enemy.

1017
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:16,280
Speaker 1: Okay, Lonald who directed that, my partner, Loana Martin.

1018
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 2: He loved that. He loved Kine. He was like he was.

1019
00:49:19,600 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 2: He loved because he did all Kine videos.

1020
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 1: He did the early ones, and so and and MC

1021
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 1: light we did mc lights videos too, We did Payer

1022
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 1: then want On Train. So those are his two favorite

1023
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 1: artists for that project. Let's say so he and they

1024
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:37,640
Speaker 1: rhymes right behind each other. And so he loved that part.

1025
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 1: So I can't understand why you And that was in

1026
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 1: front of the the the what you call him the

1027
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 1: Club and Tom Square Big Club back then Union Square,

1028
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: I mean not Union Square, Latin Quarters, La Court. That

1029
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 1: scene was that not Public Lights? Yeah, MC light, Public Enemy.

1030
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 1: Chuck wasn't there. Chuck was. He was in a studio,

1031
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 1: he was in Long Island. I don't know what Chuck

1032
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 1: was on, but he wasn't there. He had to ask

1033
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 1: Chuck and so and so. He wasn't there. But Flavor

1034
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:16,280
Speaker 1: was there. He's in the he's at the scene that morning,

1035
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 1: Sunday morning in Harlem. But Flavor was there. So they

1036
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:23,359
Speaker 1: got that done. But Chuck wasn't there. So Chuck's never

1037
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 1: in the video.

1038
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:25,399
Speaker 2: He's in it, but he's not.

1039
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 3: At that.

1040
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 2: That's my favorite scene.

1041
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know he's in the studio in in in

1042
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:36,439
Speaker 1: what you're saying in the studio right in Roosevelt. Yeah,

1043
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 1: So what's your favorite scenes in that video? I think

1044
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 1: I like to hold the beginning in the Schomberg Library,

1045
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 1: just you know, anytime you gotta fight, like I'm a

1046
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: producer in that case, I'm a producer, you fighting for

1047
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:51,919
Speaker 1: a location. This is the Schomberg. They could care less

1048
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 1: about hip hop. This like a you know whatever, educational situation.

1049
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:00,400
Speaker 1: And I'm like, this is a positive song for the community.

1050
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:02,359
Speaker 1: You all are serving the community. I'm putting it on

1051
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:04,879
Speaker 1: you know, I'm leaning on them. And they were like, yeah,

1052
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 1: we don't really care about hip hop though, and I'm like,

1053
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:09,799
Speaker 1: you know, it's gonna help. And eventually we got it

1054
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 1: done and we probably gave them some money, you know,

1055
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:16,360
Speaker 1: donated some money to this to the situation. So whenever

1056
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:18,280
Speaker 1: you got to go through all that and then you

1057
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 1: get it done, you're like, all right, that's my favorite scene,

1058
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:24,719
Speaker 1: right right. I think that song had a huge impact

1059
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 1: at that time. And then you know, and then we

1060
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 1: had the West Coast All Stars. Yeah, they do the

1061
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:32,359
Speaker 1: same instruction was first. Yeah, yeah, clearly. Yeah.

1062
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:35,439
Speaker 5: Yeah, But I mean I think those two movements did

1063
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 5: do a lot of positive at that time.

1064
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:39,360
Speaker 2: Do you think they could do it again now that

1065
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 2: we need something like that?

1066
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 3: That was a two point question.

1067
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 1: One is what did you think of when you heard

1068
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:46,799
Speaker 1: the West Coast version of all them the same gang?

1069
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:50,080
Speaker 3: And then? It was cool? You know, I thought it

1070
00:51:50,120 --> 00:51:50,399
Speaker 3: was cool.

1071
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 1: I thought it was especially because they had everybody that

1072
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:53,319
Speaker 1: was important in it.

1073
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 2: Hamma was in it at the time, w A w

1074
00:51:56,520 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 2: A digit underground.

1075
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, everybody was in and they used the songs the

1076
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 1: track changed, yeah, the artist, yeah, that part where the

1077
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:08,880
Speaker 1: law right. Yeah, so they used the sample of day

1078
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 1: music own music. Yeah. I don't know who produced that,

1079
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 1: but that was that was good. That was a good,

1080
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 1: good vibe. But I always say people always ask me

1081
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:21,240
Speaker 1: why don't they do of self destruction? Now? Ralph people

1082
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 1: have tried, I mean, like like who tho not?

1083
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:26,399
Speaker 5: I mean like like if like right now, we were

1084
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 5: to google it right now, you'd see a million versions

1085
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 5: of no real legit. I think Kris One did a couple,

1086
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:35,319
Speaker 5: but I think there needs to be a movement to

1087
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 5: do it the way it was done then, because because it.

1088
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 1: Wasn't like self Destruction, a version of we Are the World. Yeah,

1089
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 1: like you know what I mean, Like right, that was

1090
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 1: a vibe to you know, like those type of records, right,

1091
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 1: you know, like self deduction, We Are the World. It

1092
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 1: was another one we used to play on the show

1093
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 1: Sun's City. It was against Apartheed in South Africa. I

1094
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:57,880
Speaker 1: used to play that all the time. We're not going

1095
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 1: to do Sun City, you know, all of those types

1096
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 1: of songs. But I think now, more than ever, we

1097
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 1: need because the world is like separated right now, polarized

1098
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 1: like a motherfucker.

1099
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:11,319
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1100
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 1: And one thing about hip hop is I don't care

1101
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 1: if you black, white, Asian, wherever you came from, if

1102
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:18,960
Speaker 1: you like hip hop, were rich, you we all together

1103
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 1: and we need that to come back.

1104
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:23,000
Speaker 3: You know.

1105
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:24,840
Speaker 1: I think that people are scared to go and to

1106
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 1: say it and do certain things because it's not the

1107
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 1: cool thing to say right now. You know, everybody's on

1108
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 1: the side of the fence. But that's that's that's that's

1109
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:35,279
Speaker 1: a bad thing. That's that we need to we need

1110
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 1: to bring, we need to bring and if hip hop

1111
00:53:37,800 --> 00:53:39,360
Speaker 1: that's what hip hop did. I remember I worked at

1112
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:41,920
Speaker 1: Hoigh ninety seven. It used to be just black and

1113
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 1: Latino crowd. And then one night I went out on

1114
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:47,319
Speaker 1: the stage and it was all white, and you know,

1115
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 1: I'm ready to do my use Brooklyn and I'm like,

1116
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 1: what am I supposed to say? I said the same

1117
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 1: ship and I.

1118
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:00,399
Speaker 2: Said, oh, okay, hip hop.

1119
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's it.

1120
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:04,759
Speaker 1: That's what hip hop has been, and that's why it's

1121
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:06,880
Speaker 1: number one now, you know, the number one genre. And

1122
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 1: people go like, well, you know, it doesn't do it.

1123
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:13,400
Speaker 1: It hasn't done anything for the world. I'm like a

1124
00:54:13,440 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 1: lot of people together. True, you go to I've been

1125
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 1: in countries where they don't even I'm the only ones

1126
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:20,839
Speaker 1: speaking English, and they know hip hop.

1127
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:22,919
Speaker 2: They know me, and we all good.

1128
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 1: As long as I go get on stage and start jumping,

1129
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 1: don't have to say nothing. They get it. So it's

1130
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:32,080
Speaker 1: changed the world. Hip Hop is definitely the world. You know,

1131
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 1: it's but we know in a time, a tough time,

1132
00:54:35,600 --> 00:54:36,799
Speaker 1: you know, and I'm glad that.

1133
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 3: You know.

1134
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:39,839
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to preach or nothing like that, but

1135
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 1: we need to come together, you know, like just on

1136
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 1: some like come on, man, relaxed.

1137
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 2: But we're not gonna be here forever, man, you know,

1138
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:48,240
Speaker 2: let's leave something positive.

1139
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:51,320
Speaker 1: Oh look, I'm like this, like what I can't believe

1140
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 1: you know, I'm this old now, like what can't be?

1141
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:56,440
Speaker 2: Can't just can win it all go?

1142
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 3: We love the documentary. You have been thinking about making

1143
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 3: a full fledged movie.

1144
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:07,720
Speaker 4: Like yeah, bio back then, like like like like like

1145
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 4: the Wire about.

1146
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you could do that. We could do easily,

1147
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 1: thirty six episodes easily. I already was worked on twenty four,

1148
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:24,880
Speaker 1: close to twenty four, maybe sixteen seventeen. And the idea

1149
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 1: was when I first did the documentary was to do

1150
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:32,239
Speaker 1: a movie first, because I was like, the streets want

1151
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 1: to see a movie. Man, the movies, because you know,

1152
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 1: the movies thing was hot, you know, DVDs, all kind

1153
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:38,759
Speaker 1: of movies is out. I'm like, nah, I don't care it.

1154
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 1: Damn about no documentary. They want to see the movie.

1155
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:46,840
Speaker 1: And so before I did the deal with mass Appeal,

1156
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 1: I did it with Mark Wahlberg.

1157
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:50,720
Speaker 3: Wow. Wow.

1158
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 1: So Mark Wahlberg's like one of his homies, his main dudes.

1159
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:59,360
Speaker 1: Grew up in Long Island watching Villiamsbah. He calls me

1160
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 1: one day He's like, yo, man, I want to do

1161
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:06,800
Speaker 1: a documentary on video memes. But I work with Mark Wahlberg.

1162
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 1: What He's like, Yeah, say let's get him, Let's get

1163
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 1: him on the phone. Were you playing Marky mark On?

1164
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 1: I played him okay, And so I played New Kids

1165
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:18,879
Speaker 1: on the Block too, Donny. So what were they getting

1166
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 1: it in Boston?

1167
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 3: It was getting maybe I don't know, okay. And so.

1168
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 1: I get on the phone and it wasn't Mark but

1169
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:30,959
Speaker 1: it was his documentary company. And we're talking and they're

1170
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:33,920
Speaker 1: like yeah, and then the pandemic kids. So we're like,

1171
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 1: we gotta do a sizzle reel. So we made the

1172
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:40,799
Speaker 1: sizzle reel on Zoom. I'm talking, answering the questions, I

1173
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 1: got all the content, I'm sending it to them. They

1174
00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 1: cutting it up the scissors tight. We signed, you know

1175
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:51,080
Speaker 1: when you do these dimities signed like a little agreement.

1176
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:55,200
Speaker 1: Don't shop, don't go nowhere else with this for eighteen

1177
00:56:55,239 --> 00:57:00,120
Speaker 1: months exclusivity, right right, So we sat, We met with HBO,

1178
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:02,439
Speaker 1: which Mark Warlburg does a lot of stuff with HBO.

1179
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 1: So I'm assuming that this is it. We getting ready

1180
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:09,359
Speaker 1: to go. The main lady Nancye something, she's on the call.

1181
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:11,319
Speaker 1: I'm like, this is the Lady's on every back every

1182
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:15,879
Speaker 1: documentary were with the official lady right here. See I'm sorry, guys.

1183
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 1: I love the idea, but we already got a bunch

1184
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 1: of documentaries on music because we can't do nothing. I'm like, oh, okay,

1185
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 1: all right. So then they okay, we're gonna meet with Netflix.

1186
00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 1: With Netflix, thing's happening. Two young kids. I knew they

1187
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:32,040
Speaker 1: didn't get it at all. So I'm like, produce saying,

1188
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:37,000
Speaker 1: joint on Netflix. Though, no, well it wasn't. Netflix bought it. Well,

1189
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:39,200
Speaker 1: another production company bought it and put it on Netflix.

1190
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:45,000
Speaker 1: So they're like, well, let's go to b ET. Hold up, wait,

1191
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 1: let's not go to BT. Let's move around, let's move

1192
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:56,040
Speaker 1: around nothing against BET. Let's move around hip hops International,

1193
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 1: let's move around.

1194
00:57:57,880 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 2: And so.

1195
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:00,480
Speaker 3: Happening.

1196
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:05,120
Speaker 1: So we sit and we sat for a while, and people,

1197
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 1: this isn't on the pandemic. People was dying. You know,

1198
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:11,160
Speaker 1: such and such died, this one dies. It's scary, scary.

1199
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, hold up, man, we gotta do something. This

1200
00:58:14,760 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 1: is We're not just gonna sit here and let this

1201
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 1: play out. So the time the contract ran out. Oh.

1202
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:24,240
Speaker 1: Also the main part of it was Sasha Jenkins, who

1203
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 1: did the Wu Tang documentary. Right every time, Sasha would

1204
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:31,160
Speaker 1: do a documentary. You call me, yo, Rob, I'm doing Bizmarkey,

1205
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 1: what you got? I hite him with some footage, okay, Sasha.

1206
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 1: I'm like, Sasha, I need that back. Yeah, you were

1207
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 1: his secret weapon, right, come on, man, let's let's I

1208
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:44,640
Speaker 1: need you to direct the video music box joint. So

1209
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 1: he's like, all right, he went to the meeting with

1210
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:49,040
Speaker 1: the with the with with HBO and all that, but

1211
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:51,320
Speaker 1: it didn't work out. He calls me, He says, look, man,

1212
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take it to Showtime. I got a meeting

1213
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:58,400
Speaker 1: with Showtime. You okay with that? Yeah, the same shit, HBO, Showtime.

1214
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 1: Let's do it. He doesn't tell me that nas is

1215
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:07,560
Speaker 1: going with him, right, he says, yo, nass right before

1216
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 1: they go, We're going to there.

1217
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 3: Now Nas is with me.

1218
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:15,960
Speaker 1: Sons with Knas come out. That's massiveppeal okay, all right,

1219
00:59:16,040 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 1: no problem, yo. They loved it. They loved it that.

1220
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:23,800
Speaker 1: That's the only thing they trailer. No, no, no, no no,

1221
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 1: not that we had some other ship that we did

1222
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:28,680
Speaker 1: for sket for Massive.

1223
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 2: Well, it wasn't Master Bill at the time.

1224
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:35,400
Speaker 3: It was just me and Sasha and so went took

1225
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 3: it to them.

1226
00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:38,160
Speaker 1: They love it. They ready to do it. So, you know,

1227
00:59:38,200 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 1: Peter Bitting been hey, hey, hen I mean, I know Peter,

1228
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:44,120
Speaker 1: but I don't know. I'm like, so come on down, Ralph.

1229
00:59:44,120 --> 00:59:45,400
Speaker 1: You know I need to talk to you. We're gonna

1230
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 1: get this tech movie.

1231
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 3: Who are you?

1232
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna joke, Peter, I'm only joking exactly. So, but

1233
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:57,560
Speaker 1: that was the deal that you know, Nas came in

1234
00:59:57,600 --> 01:00:00,000
Speaker 1: and just clicked it and made it, made it happen.

1235
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:03,920
Speaker 1: My Nas in the room. I was like, I was like, yo,

1236
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:07,040
Speaker 1: Younas is like my my little big brother. So I'm like, bro,

1237
01:00:07,960 --> 01:00:10,439
Speaker 1: I said the same ship you said and they act

1238
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 1: like they hit me. You said it, and they were like, yeah,

1239
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:19,600
Speaker 1: this is great. Some kind of bullsh it is this, but.

1240
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 2: Big up to Now that's the way it's supposed to be, though.

1241
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 1: Man, yeah, yeah, yeah, And you know I did not

1242
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:29,040
Speaker 1: first video did that, and then you didn't you put

1243
01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:32,920
Speaker 1: his ep K, which is really what got it, popping

1244
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:35,080
Speaker 1: that in the streets like that, because I mean, he

1245
01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:37,920
Speaker 1: had a buzz. But when that ep K came out,

1246
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:43,560
Speaker 1: nobody ever did that before for video. That's what Yeah, basically,

1247
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:46,040
Speaker 1: like behind the scenes, the whole thing of the album,

1248
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:50,080
Speaker 1: all the producers are in it premiere Large l E

1249
01:00:50,200 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 1: s Pete Rock, Q Tip versus. You know, it's everybody's

1250
01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:57,320
Speaker 1: in the kreminal krim at the time at the time, right.

1251
01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:00,680
Speaker 3: And we and we and them is on off produced

1252
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:02,440
Speaker 3: and were.

1253
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:05,760
Speaker 1: In the projects, were in the building, you know, we're

1254
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:09,280
Speaker 1: walking around talking, you know. And and that was another

1255
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 1: changing moment in hip hop because that was, you know,

1256
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 1: a new era of different types of artists.

1257
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:18,840
Speaker 3: You know, that was the changing in regards. Well, yeah,

1258
01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:20,960
Speaker 3: that time and then.

1259
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:22,320
Speaker 1: And then that that's how you wound up doing it

1260
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:28,040
Speaker 1: hard to tell. No, we were already doing yeah, you're right, yes, yeah,

1261
01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:29,600
Speaker 1: they said, oh, he did a great job. Can you

1262
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:32,520
Speaker 1: do we got a video? This ain't have to tell.

1263
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:35,040
Speaker 1: There's another case of it's not a big budget because

1264
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 1: they're not quite sure yet.

1265
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:38,240
Speaker 3: Columbia Records.

1266
01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:42,400
Speaker 1: Oh really it was weird shakiness with his brother, you know,

1267
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:45,720
Speaker 1: big up Faith Newman and she's like, yo, you know

1268
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:47,520
Speaker 1: we we got you know, a little bit of money,

1269
01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:50,720
Speaker 1: can you do that? Like, no, I'm already sold. This

1270
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:53,720
Speaker 1: is this is classic because he's buzzing crazy already. I

1271
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:55,880
Speaker 1: seen it with my own eyes in the clubs. Niggas

1272
01:01:55,920 --> 01:02:00,080
Speaker 1: is fighting, it's working, shopping it, you know. And so

1273
01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:02,480
Speaker 1: I'm like, all right, and so we did it. We

1274
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:05,720
Speaker 1: did that, and and then I wanted to do The

1275
01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:08,400
Speaker 1: World Is Yours. That was the video that was like

1276
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:11,560
Speaker 1: cream to me. I'm not saying that, you know, ain't

1277
01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:14,400
Speaker 1: it telling a big record? But when I heard I liked,

1278
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:20,240
Speaker 1: you know, the pianos swaitt. So you did Cream before that? No,

1279
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:23,040
Speaker 1: after that, yeah, but I mean I'm just saying like

1280
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:27,040
Speaker 1: that was the next single, The World Is I Believe?

1281
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:30,360
Speaker 1: And so yeah, it was just step by step mind

1282
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:32,920
Speaker 1: you also, I get that because I'm also dealing with

1283
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:34,479
Speaker 1: third Base.

1284
01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:37,400
Speaker 2: We did all the third Base videos MC Search, so.

1285
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:39,400
Speaker 5: Then Back to the Grill Again had already came out

1286
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:42,840
Speaker 5: with Yeah, I mean third Base, and then then Search

1287
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:44,680
Speaker 5: had his own project. Search is the one who told

1288
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:46,840
Speaker 5: me back to the Grill Again has nas in it.

1289
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:49,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he's the one who says, I got this

1290
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:51,840
Speaker 1: artist I'm working with nasty Nas because he was, yeah,

1291
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:53,400
Speaker 1: he was shopping and he was pumping it up, and

1292
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:58,200
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, okay, And that's how the relationship becomes.

1293
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:00,840
Speaker 1: I know, Faith, Faith Newman. She used to be a

1294
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:04,480
Speaker 1: deaf jam she's you know, she's at Columbia now at

1295
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:06,720
Speaker 1: the time, So it was a deaf jam kind of

1296
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:10,360
Speaker 1: connection thing. And then you know, that's how it happened.

1297
01:03:10,560 --> 01:03:12,280
Speaker 1: Seems like a lot of people were fighting for nads

1298
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:15,320
Speaker 1: to make sure he got as the finish line. Yeah, yeah,

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01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:19,600
Speaker 1: how was it your relationship with Biggie. Biggie was a

1300
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:23,240
Speaker 1: funny dude. Man, this dude is a comedian. Man. We

1301
01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:27,440
Speaker 1: in the what's the first interaction ever? Okay, first interaction

1302
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:31,720
Speaker 1: me and my man beasts. We had uh we was

1303
01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:33,680
Speaker 1: on my tower used to be the Tower Records back

1304
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:36,840
Speaker 1: in the days of Record Store. And we on on Broadway,

1305
01:03:37,040 --> 01:03:42,600
Speaker 1: No on, Yeah, on Broadway and uh ah street the carvel,

1306
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:46,560
Speaker 1: mister softie, mister softy. We're getting some ice cream. It's high.

1307
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:50,120
Speaker 1: So this girl comes up to us. She's like, Hi, Ralph,

1308
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:53,560
Speaker 1: I want to introduce you to Notorious b I g wow.

1309
01:03:53,560 --> 01:03:57,680
Speaker 1: So I said, like that's what she said, like notorious big,

1310
01:03:57,880 --> 01:03:58,959
Speaker 1: Like that's the hell of a name.

1311
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:00,479
Speaker 3: I want to see this guy.

1312
01:04:01,400 --> 01:04:05,280
Speaker 1: And so he's standing behind me and it's fat Chris

1313
01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:09,040
Speaker 1: and I'm like, there's nothing that looks notorious about him

1314
01:04:09,080 --> 01:04:09,280
Speaker 1: to me.

1315
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:12,520
Speaker 5: So they were calling him notorious, Like even when people

1316
01:04:12,520 --> 01:04:13,400
Speaker 5: are calling him big.

1317
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:16,600
Speaker 2: That's what Yeah, she said, notorious b I g okay,

1318
01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:17,920
Speaker 2: So he already had that name.

1319
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:20,840
Speaker 1: So maybe it existed. Maybe that's what he wanted, and

1320
01:04:20,920 --> 01:04:23,720
Speaker 1: so thank you. I'm looking at him and he's like,

1321
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:24,840
Speaker 1: what's up man?

1322
01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:25,120
Speaker 3: Yo?

1323
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:27,640
Speaker 1: You know I watch you on TV. He's a nice guy.

1324
01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:31,200
Speaker 1: My god, So we we said, what's uping. I turned around,

1325
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:33,160
Speaker 1: I'm in to my man beast. I said, he look

1326
01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:41,880
Speaker 1: like a notorious So six months later I see him

1327
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:46,600
Speaker 1: in's Brooklyn. Now like he's an incredible hope. Now he's

1328
01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:47,480
Speaker 1: a different dude.

1329
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:52,080
Speaker 2: I'm like, he.

1330
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:54,440
Speaker 1: Turned into that guy, morphed into that guy. He morphed

1331
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:57,160
Speaker 1: into that guy. But he is a funny ass dude. Man.

1332
01:04:57,320 --> 01:05:01,000
Speaker 1: You know you go to clubs and you know, buying

1333
01:05:01,080 --> 01:05:04,439
Speaker 1: drinks with girls. He's just he's a comedian, man.

1334
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:05,600
Speaker 3: I know.

1335
01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:09,000
Speaker 1: Do you know many people missing man because of just

1336
01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:12,840
Speaker 1: the jokes. Man he's a he's and the and the lyricism,

1337
01:05:13,040 --> 01:05:15,280
Speaker 1: you know, and the way he could tell the paint

1338
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:17,320
Speaker 1: a picture of it and he told a story like

1339
01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:18,280
Speaker 1: like he does records.

1340
01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:18,720
Speaker 3: You know.

1341
01:05:19,080 --> 01:05:21,440
Speaker 2: You He's like, Yo, this dude is hilarious.

1342
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:21,680
Speaker 3: Man.

1343
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:23,960
Speaker 1: He can't stop laughing. But it's but it's really but

1344
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:31,640
Speaker 1: this shit really happened. It's like dark comedy, right, did you.

1345
01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:34,480
Speaker 3: Have you have something set up in a tunnel like

1346
01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:35,840
Speaker 3: as soon as you walking.

1347
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:39,720
Speaker 1: Like a booth. Yeah, it wasn't No, that wasn't us

1348
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:42,880
Speaker 1: yeah flex Yeah, yeah, missed Excitement and Flex.

1349
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:44,640
Speaker 3: What was what was.

1350
01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:50,920
Speaker 1: One of the best clubs for you to film film? Man? Wow,

1351
01:05:50,960 --> 01:06:00,320
Speaker 1: that's a good question. I would say, damn best clubs.

1352
01:06:00,320 --> 01:06:06,520
Speaker 1: So many The Ark, the Arc in Brooklyn, so you know,

1353
01:06:06,680 --> 01:06:10,040
Speaker 1: only Brooklyn, Well I shouldn't say only Brooklyn, but mostly Brooklyn.

1354
01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:11,000
Speaker 3: People know about the Arc.

1355
01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:14,080
Speaker 1: And that was another club that on any other night

1356
01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:18,000
Speaker 1: it was Caribbean night, but when we did it was mixed.

1357
01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:21,840
Speaker 1: It was more hip hop than Caribbean. And I brought

1358
01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:24,920
Speaker 1: Mary J. Blige there first time she ever came to Brooklyn.

1359
01:06:25,760 --> 01:06:26,480
Speaker 3: I bought.

1360
01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:30,200
Speaker 1: I remember Little Kim used to be there before she

1361
01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:32,479
Speaker 1: had records out, and when she had record we brought

1362
01:06:32,520 --> 01:06:33,440
Speaker 1: on stage.

1363
01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:35,840
Speaker 3: Herself.

1364
01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:41,440
Speaker 1: And you know, all of these big name artists, you know,

1365
01:06:41,560 --> 01:06:44,640
Speaker 1: like Shapa, super Cat would come. You know, that was

1366
01:06:44,640 --> 01:06:50,160
Speaker 1: that era, the hip hop reggae era. Shaggy Shaggy used

1367
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:52,200
Speaker 1: to be there with us all the time. Like I

1368
01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:54,560
Speaker 1: feel like, in fact, I did Shaggy's first video because

1369
01:06:54,560 --> 01:06:56,480
Speaker 1: he was there all the time, which one the Carolina

1370
01:06:56,560 --> 01:06:58,040
Speaker 1: Carolina Carolina that.

1371
01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:00,000
Speaker 3: Was That's a classic.

1372
01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:03,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, And because he was there with us all the time,

1373
01:07:03,160 --> 01:07:04,720
Speaker 1: like we hung out, you know, and went to the

1374
01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:05,680
Speaker 1: diner afterwards.

1375
01:07:06,040 --> 01:07:07,520
Speaker 2: He had just come home from the service. He was

1376
01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:09,280
Speaker 2: a marine. Yeah, marine yep. Yeah.

1377
01:07:09,320 --> 01:07:11,280
Speaker 1: And then he you know, he's hanging out with us.

1378
01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:14,600
Speaker 1: So and then you know, he sold ten million records

1379
01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:17,840
Speaker 1: and you know he was I was like, what happened?

1380
01:07:18,520 --> 01:07:22,320
Speaker 1: But yeah, but but yeah, all those artists, all those DJs.

1381
01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:24,320
Speaker 1: I think about some of the DJs that we lost,

1382
01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:27,600
Speaker 1: Lance and all these other guys that were just amazing guys.

1383
01:07:27,600 --> 01:07:29,960
Speaker 1: And Bismarck he would dj. He would he came out

1384
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:32,760
Speaker 1: to DJ and in some of those times and he

1385
01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:35,840
Speaker 1: would kill it. You know. It was it was a

1386
01:07:35,840 --> 01:07:37,520
Speaker 1: good time. It was a good time in that in

1387
01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:39,680
Speaker 1: that space, and then you could get robbed on the

1388
01:07:39,720 --> 01:07:48,480
Speaker 1: way home. A matter of factly, I'm sorry, how did

1389
01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:52,040
Speaker 1: you deal with I'm sure being the platform that you

1390
01:07:52,120 --> 01:07:54,000
Speaker 1: had that was one of the few platforms at that

1391
01:07:54,080 --> 01:07:57,240
Speaker 1: time for hip hop. Well, people have beef and wanted

1392
01:07:57,280 --> 01:08:01,400
Speaker 1: to have a video that oh it was a beef.

1393
01:08:01,480 --> 01:08:04,320
Speaker 1: It like, let's just say, let's go with Kris, like,

1394
01:08:04,680 --> 01:08:06,840
Speaker 1: how did that era? Like how did you deal with that?

1395
01:08:06,920 --> 01:08:07,200
Speaker 2: Queens?

1396
01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:09,280
Speaker 3: Bitch hated me because.

1397
01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:13,200
Speaker 5: You have to play, So how do you.

1398
01:08:13,160 --> 01:08:15,560
Speaker 2: Manage those situations? And how did you manage that situation?

1399
01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:17,160
Speaker 2: Because I was like, it was hip hop?

1400
01:08:17,240 --> 01:08:22,400
Speaker 1: Come on, stop playing you're like yo, every time I

1401
01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:24,200
Speaker 1: played it, they was like, you're rock when we see

1402
01:08:24,240 --> 01:08:25,120
Speaker 1: you on site?

1403
01:08:26,439 --> 01:08:27,479
Speaker 2: Was the real pressure on you?

1404
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:28,679
Speaker 3: For real? No? I didn't.

1405
01:08:29,080 --> 01:08:31,000
Speaker 1: I didn't take it like that, but you know, because

1406
01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:33,960
Speaker 1: they knew Karris was doing this thing.

1407
01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:37,120
Speaker 3: You know, it wasn't no getting around it. It was it.

1408
01:08:37,680 --> 01:08:39,599
Speaker 2: But after while they're like, yo, you're playing it too much?

1409
01:08:39,640 --> 01:08:39,920
Speaker 3: Stop?

1410
01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:49,080
Speaker 1: Do you think is that what Drake and Kendrick is

1411
01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:52,920
Speaker 1: going through right now? Right? It's too much, it's too much.

1412
01:08:53,280 --> 01:08:55,240
Speaker 3: I don't think he expected it still be gone?

1413
01:08:57,920 --> 01:09:01,080
Speaker 5: Who do you think that doesn't expect it? Drake or Kendrick?

1414
01:09:01,760 --> 01:09:02,000
Speaker 2: Drake?

1415
01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:05,600
Speaker 1: Probably probably Drake, maybe even I don't even know. I

1416
01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:07,639
Speaker 1: don't know, man, this dude really thought about it when

1417
01:09:07,640 --> 01:09:11,519
Speaker 1: he did. Because it's still going people taking it like

1418
01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:12,520
Speaker 1: the anthem.

1419
01:09:12,240 --> 01:09:16,840
Speaker 2: You know, Yeah, Kendrick did some artic worship that was that.

1420
01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:19,000
Speaker 1: Was a pretty because I wasn't and when it was happening,

1421
01:09:19,040 --> 01:09:21,200
Speaker 1: I wasn't really I'm not really paying attention to it.

1422
01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:23,000
Speaker 2: It was a little bit after that, I'm like, what's

1423
01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:24,080
Speaker 2: going on it what?

1424
01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:26,680
Speaker 1: So I started listening, going back and listening to the

1425
01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:30,719
Speaker 1: first song, the response, the first song, so I was like, Okay,

1426
01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:32,240
Speaker 1: this is kind of serious.

1427
01:09:32,400 --> 01:09:32,960
Speaker 3: Playing, right.

1428
01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:37,160
Speaker 5: I think the Kendrick Drake thing is definitely the modern

1429
01:09:37,240 --> 01:09:39,639
Speaker 5: day version of Kars Shan.

1430
01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:42,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely.

1431
01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:45,400
Speaker 1: It's that impactful to hip hop. And like I remember

1432
01:09:45,439 --> 01:09:47,640
Speaker 1: being that I was on Twitter that the moment that

1433
01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:50,080
Speaker 1: those records started coming out, and it's like my wife

1434
01:09:50,120 --> 01:09:52,559
Speaker 1: was like, yo, it's late, You're not going no, no,

1435
01:09:52,720 --> 01:09:55,080
Speaker 1: it's just going down right now, like they dropping records

1436
01:09:55,160 --> 01:09:55,679
Speaker 1: right now.

1437
01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:56,240
Speaker 3: See.

1438
01:09:56,280 --> 01:09:58,680
Speaker 1: And that's the thing too, is that you knew it

1439
01:09:58,840 --> 01:10:02,280
Speaker 1: was a streaming, you know, like I wasn't paying attention,

1440
01:10:02,439 --> 01:10:04,639
Speaker 1: like I know those guys extream and stuff.

1441
01:10:04,760 --> 01:10:06,840
Speaker 2: But I was like, huh, well, I just happened to

1442
01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:07,280
Speaker 2: be awake.

1443
01:10:07,720 --> 01:10:09,479
Speaker 1: Had I gone to sleep, it would have it would

1444
01:10:09,479 --> 01:10:10,560
Speaker 1: have passed me by it. I would have been a

1445
01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:13,080
Speaker 1: little lost, right, but I just happened to catch a tweet.

1446
01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:17,479
Speaker 1: I said, something's going on here right now, something, something's bubbling.

1447
01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:19,760
Speaker 1: And then you just started these records started coming out

1448
01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:22,080
Speaker 1: and it was meticulous, it was it was crazy.

1449
01:10:22,120 --> 01:10:24,599
Speaker 5: And then the next day then you just I'm locked in now.

1450
01:10:24,640 --> 01:10:26,600
Speaker 5: The next day, I'm following it. The next day, the

1451
01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:28,800
Speaker 5: next day, I'm locked with That's the way you gotta be.

1452
01:10:29,120 --> 01:10:30,559
Speaker 5: That's why you all are we all are.

1453
01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:36,519
Speaker 4: You see how crazy it is that you can do

1454
01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:39,479
Speaker 4: something like that right now, like right now, just with this.

1455
01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:43,719
Speaker 5: Right it's everything that you were doing took hours, hundreds

1456
01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:45,639
Speaker 5: of man hours, right It's crazy.

1457
01:10:45,640 --> 01:10:49,120
Speaker 1: It's crazy, just just like that, you know, and you

1458
01:10:49,160 --> 01:10:52,240
Speaker 1: know we'd be like catch us at three thirty, you know,

1459
01:10:52,400 --> 01:10:52,960
Speaker 1: catching nothing.

1460
01:10:53,000 --> 01:10:56,200
Speaker 2: We're doing it right now in three minutes seconds.

1461
01:10:57,320 --> 01:10:58,480
Speaker 1: Do you think.

1462
01:10:58,840 --> 01:11:04,040
Speaker 5: That that act access to technology and to the audience

1463
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:07,280
Speaker 5: hurt hip hop? Like the fact that everybody now could

1464
01:11:07,320 --> 01:11:09,960
Speaker 5: be an artist, everybody could be a producer, everybody could

1465
01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:13,360
Speaker 5: be a director in real time, and they're not really artists,

1466
01:11:13,360 --> 01:11:15,400
Speaker 5: they're not really directors, they not really producers.

1467
01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:18,320
Speaker 2: If you think that that hurts the art form, I

1468
01:11:18,360 --> 01:11:20,800
Speaker 2: don't think it hurts it. I think it's the process.

1469
01:11:21,479 --> 01:11:24,599
Speaker 1: You know, we went through a process and just like

1470
01:11:24,680 --> 01:11:29,639
Speaker 1: we've gone through processes before, from my VHS tapes to whatever,

1471
01:11:30,120 --> 01:11:36,360
Speaker 1: you know, DVDs you know, to streaming now to whatever.

1472
01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:41,040
Speaker 1: You know, everything is a process and it has We

1473
01:11:41,080 --> 01:11:44,719
Speaker 1: don't know what's gonna happen tomorrow, right you know, somebody

1474
01:11:44,720 --> 01:11:47,479
Speaker 1: could pop up with some new fly shit and all

1475
01:11:47,479 --> 01:11:51,320
Speaker 1: the kids go, this is it and we all be like, oh,

1476
01:11:51,400 --> 01:11:53,920
Speaker 1: what they're doing over there, and that's be the next

1477
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:56,760
Speaker 1: thing because hip hop always been young, not saying that

1478
01:11:56,840 --> 01:12:00,000
Speaker 1: we can't participate in our own way because I still

1479
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:03,360
Speaker 1: you know, I'm trying to pay attention to what kids

1480
01:12:03,400 --> 01:12:05,759
Speaker 1: is doing, but I'm not. It's not I'm not living

1481
01:12:05,800 --> 01:12:08,800
Speaker 1: like them. I'm not out there, but you know, I

1482
01:12:08,840 --> 01:12:10,360
Speaker 1: want to hear the hot ship. You know, what's what's

1483
01:12:10,360 --> 01:12:12,360
Speaker 1: the hot ship? Like them? The kids forty one that

1484
01:12:12,479 --> 01:12:16,400
Speaker 1: came out and they you know, drill music. As soon

1485
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:18,760
Speaker 1: as I heard it, I was like, this is they're

1486
01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:21,640
Speaker 1: talking about? This is some hot ship? When are we

1487
01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:22,400
Speaker 1: fucking again?

1488
01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:30,720
Speaker 3: I was like this, that's right.

1489
01:12:29,640 --> 01:12:32,320
Speaker 1: But you know, not everything I don't feel the same,

1490
01:12:32,439 --> 01:12:34,280
Speaker 1: you know, I felt about that. I called the dude

1491
01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:37,439
Speaker 1: up and I was like, he's from Brooks Dan. He's like,

1492
01:12:38,160 --> 01:12:40,880
Speaker 1: I said, yeah, yes, shit is fisial, man. I just

1493
01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:42,840
Speaker 1: want to let you know that. Then he's talking. I

1494
01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:45,120
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, that's enough. I'm way out of my lane.

1495
01:12:45,439 --> 01:12:46,120
Speaker 1: Let me get back.

1496
01:12:46,680 --> 01:12:47,320
Speaker 3: Never do a.

1497
01:12:48,760 --> 01:12:51,760
Speaker 4: Like like like a new version of it was The

1498
01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:54,639
Speaker 4: Box where it's a whole new young young people raise

1499
01:12:54,880 --> 01:12:56,880
Speaker 4: and it's all about the new music.

1500
01:12:56,880 --> 01:12:57,920
Speaker 3: Wohenld you do something like that?

1501
01:12:57,920 --> 01:12:59,840
Speaker 2: That's what the movie the movie was based on.

1502
01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:03,639
Speaker 1: Okay, wow, yeah wow, And I didn't never thought about

1503
01:13:03,640 --> 01:13:05,960
Speaker 1: doing it in real life, right, but I think it

1504
01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:07,000
Speaker 1: could be dope.

1505
01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:10,599
Speaker 2: But why would it have to be just about current

1506
01:13:10,720 --> 01:13:11,080
Speaker 2: I'm saying.

1507
01:13:11,080 --> 01:13:14,479
Speaker 4: I'm saying that that the show is original show because

1508
01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:17,240
Speaker 4: right now he can do that same show, like hire

1509
01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:20,479
Speaker 4: somebody like you know you mean to be him and

1510
01:13:20,560 --> 01:13:23,599
Speaker 4: be there and you can really put that like real Yeah.

1511
01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:25,160
Speaker 3: I see, I can see it maybe on an app

1512
01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:25,599
Speaker 3: or something.

1513
01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:27,200
Speaker 1: I might pass through the room every once in a

1514
01:13:27,280 --> 01:13:29,439
Speaker 1: while and go like that, right and the little niggas

1515
01:13:29,560 --> 01:13:30,200
Speaker 1: doing whatever they're doing.

1516
01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:33,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Because you could really have somebody really

1517
01:13:34,520 --> 01:13:35,040
Speaker 4: do that in.

1518
01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:38,240
Speaker 1: Real time, like it sounds like an OI.

1519
01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:43,080
Speaker 2: Think about it.

1520
01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:46,599
Speaker 4: Looks all these people that might be who submits videos

1521
01:13:46,680 --> 01:13:50,640
Speaker 4: right now, and it's it's watered down because it's not

1522
01:13:50,720 --> 01:13:53,160
Speaker 4: a fly show that because like if it's if it's

1523
01:13:53,200 --> 01:13:55,040
Speaker 4: on the show, you know that this is taste from

1524
01:13:55,439 --> 01:13:56,240
Speaker 4: this is a fish.

1525
01:13:56,160 --> 01:13:58,920
Speaker 5: And there's no filter we have, Like I'm saying, there's

1526
01:13:58,920 --> 01:14:01,599
Speaker 5: nobody saying that, Like I'm talking about gate Keep. I'm

1527
01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:03,880
Speaker 5: saying people of the culture saying, all right, we gotta

1528
01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:06,600
Speaker 5: we gotta put some parameters on this. Yeah, yeah, no

1529
01:14:06,720 --> 01:14:08,439
Speaker 5: that I think that's right because right now, anybody could

1530
01:14:08,439 --> 01:14:10,439
Speaker 5: just upload the Spotify upload your hair uploads.

1531
01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:12,160
Speaker 3: Now this is a flap flatform.

1532
01:14:12,240 --> 01:14:14,320
Speaker 4: But if you make them have this whole history video

1533
01:14:14,439 --> 01:14:17,439
Speaker 4: music right and you have no filter.

1534
01:14:18,840 --> 01:14:21,240
Speaker 1: When I first time I said your sexy red is hot,

1535
01:14:21,280 --> 01:14:23,960
Speaker 1: and everybody's like, what are you crazy, I'm like telling you, man,

1536
01:14:24,120 --> 01:14:32,000
Speaker 1: what what what happens? I know that I know, I

1537
01:14:32,040 --> 01:14:36,040
Speaker 1: know that you know her for real?

1538
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:39,360
Speaker 2: Oh you know a little girls just like that.

1539
01:14:39,439 --> 01:14:48,000
Speaker 7: I know that girl girl playing she knows it's hilarious,

1540
01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:54,200
Speaker 7: noting she don't want to hear none of us, sorry.

1541
01:14:54,040 --> 01:14:55,880
Speaker 1: About that's all. That's a little good.

1542
01:14:56,080 --> 01:15:00,280
Speaker 4: But did you know, like literally I know I'd be

1543
01:15:00,360 --> 01:15:04,160
Speaker 4: touched on this earlier. But did you know he was

1544
01:15:04,160 --> 01:15:06,680
Speaker 4: making history while you was making.

1545
01:15:06,479 --> 01:15:11,000
Speaker 1: History, not till maybe like ten years and like when

1546
01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:13,719
Speaker 1: we started getting like bigger names coming to the show,

1547
01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:16,479
Speaker 1: Like when Will Smith, well that was early in the game,

1548
01:15:16,520 --> 01:15:19,120
Speaker 1: but when Will Smith and Jazzy Jeff came off the

1549
01:15:19,120 --> 01:15:21,640
Speaker 1: elevator because we just have elevated right right as soon

1550
01:15:21,680 --> 01:15:24,439
Speaker 1: as you walk in you went our office and I

1551
01:15:24,520 --> 01:15:28,240
Speaker 1: was like Will Smith and you know Jazzy Jeff in

1552
01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:33,160
Speaker 1: the Freshmans, Okay, then then Damon and Jay z R.

1553
01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:38,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, these dudes is coming to us, were

1554
01:15:38,120 --> 01:15:41,519
Speaker 1: in their mind in our business, you know, bringing you know,

1555
01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:44,680
Speaker 1: bottles and stuff. I'm like, they all have bottles they

1556
01:15:44,680 --> 01:15:45,160
Speaker 1: don't have.

1557
01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:49,920
Speaker 2: That's the thing.

1558
01:15:52,160 --> 01:15:54,600
Speaker 1: That's when we and then used to be difficult to

1559
01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:59,080
Speaker 1: get artists. Now it's not as difficult. What do you

1560
01:15:59,120 --> 01:16:02,280
Speaker 1: mean difficult, like because the artists wouldn't be You think

1561
01:16:02,280 --> 01:16:04,880
Speaker 1: people didn't want to be on there were camera shot no, no, no,

1562
01:16:04,920 --> 01:16:07,040
Speaker 1: they just we would can we get them? Were asking

1563
01:16:07,120 --> 01:16:10,880
Speaker 1: for a free show. We're playing the video he's doing

1564
01:16:10,960 --> 01:16:13,040
Speaker 1: to do the free show ship. Even back then they

1565
01:16:13,080 --> 01:16:16,479
Speaker 1: were saying that sometimes that's crazy. Yeah, so you know,

1566
01:16:16,600 --> 01:16:20,320
Speaker 1: we were just you know, okay. But the biggest party

1567
01:16:20,320 --> 01:16:23,080
Speaker 1: I had was big and jay Z were hosting it

1568
01:16:23,200 --> 01:16:27,120
Speaker 1: my birthday. Wow, this is right ready to die is out.

1569
01:16:28,439 --> 01:16:30,760
Speaker 1: It's already a hit. But you know, if he didn't

1570
01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:32,600
Speaker 1: really get to check yet, you could tell that it

1571
01:16:32,720 --> 01:16:35,840
Speaker 1: was coming. He's he was still a little humble, right,

1572
01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:39,160
Speaker 1: And Puff goes, I'm like, puff Man, need him to

1573
01:16:39,160 --> 01:16:41,840
Speaker 1: come to the birthday. He's the hottest dude out. And

1574
01:16:41,840 --> 01:16:47,599
Speaker 1: Puff goes, Oh, that's a lot. I said, come on, man,

1575
01:16:48,520 --> 01:16:51,519
Speaker 1: I've seen him at the Mister Softy Truck, like just.

1576
01:16:51,439 --> 01:16:52,479
Speaker 2: A couple of months back.

1577
01:16:54,280 --> 01:16:58,519
Speaker 1: We're cool and and and and he came, and he

1578
01:16:58,720 --> 01:17:02,680
Speaker 1: stayed the whole time, and you know, and then we

1579
01:17:02,720 --> 01:17:03,720
Speaker 1: played Get Money.

1580
01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:06,639
Speaker 2: We played Jimior Mafia Get which was helping him.

1581
01:17:07,040 --> 01:17:09,799
Speaker 1: He's launching that, and and then he starts to performing

1582
01:17:09,800 --> 01:17:10,880
Speaker 1: It's on It's on the line.

1583
01:17:11,080 --> 01:17:12,200
Speaker 3: Could you look it up?

1584
01:17:12,360 --> 01:17:14,280
Speaker 2: Jay Z and Biggie perform one of the only times

1585
01:17:14,280 --> 01:17:15,000
Speaker 2: you see them perform.

1586
01:17:15,560 --> 01:17:19,719
Speaker 1: And Jay came on stage at the time because anywhere

1587
01:17:19,800 --> 01:17:22,040
Speaker 1: we're big one, Jay was you know, Jay was there

1588
01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:25,120
Speaker 1: first actually, and Jay came because Foxy was there too.

1589
01:17:25,920 --> 01:17:28,400
Speaker 2: It was a crazy night. It was my birthday. Mister

1590
01:17:28,400 --> 01:17:29,360
Speaker 2: Biggs is there.

1591
01:17:30,479 --> 01:17:37,760
Speaker 1: Ron Eisley, Wow, here, Ice Tea's over here, Big and

1592
01:17:37,880 --> 01:17:45,280
Speaker 1: Jay's on stage, Foxy Joe the singer Joe Wow. It

1593
01:17:45,400 --> 01:17:47,680
Speaker 1: was a crazy night. And and you know, and so

1594
01:17:47,960 --> 01:17:51,160
Speaker 1: that's when we knew we was good. People were coming.

1595
01:17:51,280 --> 01:17:52,800
Speaker 2: It took you for that to happen and know that

1596
01:17:52,840 --> 01:17:53,880
Speaker 2: he was doing something special.

1597
01:17:53,920 --> 01:17:56,639
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm talking about the industry. I never cared

1598
01:17:56,640 --> 01:17:59,760
Speaker 1: about the industry. That's a separate entity. I always tell people,

1599
01:17:59,800 --> 01:18:01,439
Speaker 1: let's up from hip hop. The only thing I care

1600
01:18:01,479 --> 01:18:04,240
Speaker 1: about is the street because if the streets is not

1601
01:18:04,280 --> 01:18:06,599
Speaker 1: fucking with me, then I gotta fix my ship because

1602
01:18:06,640 --> 01:18:07,840
Speaker 1: I'm I'm not doing it right right.

1603
01:18:08,439 --> 01:18:10,439
Speaker 2: And I always got loved on the street. I don't

1604
01:18:10,439 --> 01:18:11,720
Speaker 2: care where where I was at.

1605
01:18:11,760 --> 01:18:14,240
Speaker 1: I was in Left Rack, if I was in Harlem,

1606
01:18:14,840 --> 01:18:19,840
Speaker 1: if I'm in Newark, East Orange, Trenton, New Jersey, Camden,

1607
01:18:20,040 --> 01:18:21,240
Speaker 1: I don't give it damn where.

1608
01:18:21,080 --> 01:18:21,960
Speaker 3: I was at.

1609
01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:25,280
Speaker 1: We was like, yo, ship raph McDaniels, Yo, my nigga

1610
01:18:26,120 --> 01:18:28,760
Speaker 1: Let start talking. They get happy, and I'm like, all right,

1611
01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:33,200
Speaker 1: so shout outs. Can I get a shout out? Let

1612
01:18:33,240 --> 01:18:35,880
Speaker 1: me write it down and then you do it right.

1613
01:18:36,320 --> 01:18:38,000
Speaker 1: They didn't see you like months later.

1614
01:18:45,880 --> 01:18:49,840
Speaker 4: That was like the first follow somebody like, that's the

1615
01:18:49,840 --> 01:18:52,320
Speaker 4: first follow shot somebody life.

1616
01:18:52,320 --> 01:18:54,120
Speaker 1: Man, it meant a whole lot to them. You can

1617
01:18:54,320 --> 01:18:55,840
Speaker 1: see it in their face and then you know, like

1618
01:18:56,280 --> 01:18:59,599
Speaker 1: they'll never forget. There's a story when this dude stole

1619
01:18:59,640 --> 01:19:01,080
Speaker 1: my car. You don't know if you ever heard that

1620
01:19:01,120 --> 01:19:03,880
Speaker 1: one your car. I stole my jeep. I had a

1621
01:19:04,400 --> 01:19:08,559
Speaker 1: like a wrangler jeep. Brother and I went to to

1622
01:19:08,560 --> 01:19:11,160
Speaker 1: to dinner. When my wife came back, the car was

1623
01:19:11,200 --> 01:19:14,599
Speaker 1: going came back to my house and I drove her car.

1624
01:19:14,760 --> 01:19:17,280
Speaker 1: Came back to my cars. Yeah, I know, I parked

1625
01:19:17,280 --> 01:19:20,760
Speaker 1: the car. He boom, But I still on the ground

1626
01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:22,840
Speaker 1: see glass. I said, oh shit, I just stole my ship.

1627
01:19:23,439 --> 01:19:25,320
Speaker 1: Go upstairs, sitting there and done. We're trying to figure

1628
01:19:25,320 --> 01:19:29,479
Speaker 1: it out. My phone rings. Dude, He's like, yo, man,

1629
01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:32,960
Speaker 1: this Ralph mcdann's. I said yes. He said, yeah, we

1630
01:19:33,000 --> 01:19:36,599
Speaker 1: got your we got your jeep. I said okay. So

1631
01:19:36,640 --> 01:19:38,519
Speaker 1: he's like, you know you can come get it. This

1632
01:19:38,600 --> 01:19:40,360
Speaker 1: is in Brooklyn. Were in such and such and such

1633
01:19:40,360 --> 01:19:47,519
Speaker 1: and such in Brownsville. Ain't thinking Brownsville tricky? So I said,

1634
01:19:47,560 --> 01:19:49,400
Speaker 1: I I'm not trying to punk out. Yeah, all right,

1635
01:19:49,439 --> 01:19:52,280
Speaker 1: I'm coming over there right now. Don't bring no cops.

1636
01:19:52,439 --> 01:19:53,960
Speaker 1: I ain't bring no cops. We're coming over there.

1637
01:19:53,920 --> 01:19:55,800
Speaker 3: Right now, all right.

1638
01:19:56,840 --> 01:19:59,599
Speaker 1: So I called my man beast, my rest in peace,

1639
01:19:59,680 --> 01:20:03,960
Speaker 1: my friend handsome. We go over there, right I get out.

1640
01:20:04,040 --> 01:20:05,920
Speaker 1: My wife is like, you ain't leaving me in the house.

1641
01:20:06,680 --> 01:20:08,439
Speaker 1: I'm going with you. I said, you can't go supposed

1642
01:20:08,439 --> 01:20:11,760
Speaker 1: to shit goes wrong. He's like, no, well, I'd rather

1643
01:20:11,800 --> 01:20:13,960
Speaker 1: be there and then over here. So I said, all right,

1644
01:20:14,000 --> 01:20:19,519
Speaker 1: so she's more equal. She she's in the in the car.

1645
01:20:20,160 --> 01:20:22,040
Speaker 1: I get out the car. I'm standing in the middle

1646
01:20:22,040 --> 01:20:25,760
Speaker 1: of the street. This is one of the darkest blocks

1647
01:20:25,800 --> 01:20:28,120
Speaker 1: I ever seen. I forgot about this block in Brooklyn.

1648
01:20:28,720 --> 01:20:31,519
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, I'm standing there. I don't see. Nothing

1649
01:20:31,600 --> 01:20:34,719
Speaker 1: is quiet. It's like a movie. Because this dude sitting

1650
01:20:34,720 --> 01:20:36,280
Speaker 1: on the step on the on the on the stool.

1651
01:20:36,320 --> 01:20:40,559
Speaker 1: So I was like, warriors, right, I'm looking at him.

1652
01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:42,920
Speaker 1: He don't look at me. I'm just in I'm out

1653
01:20:42,920 --> 01:20:47,680
Speaker 1: there for at least ten minutes. Then he goes, you're Ralph,

1654
01:20:48,240 --> 01:20:50,200
Speaker 1: but tell me he sat there. He didn't say nothing.

1655
01:20:50,960 --> 01:20:52,840
Speaker 1: I said, yeah, he said that was me who called you.

1656
01:20:53,800 --> 01:20:56,479
Speaker 1: I said, all right, Yo, what's up? He said, yeah,

1657
01:20:56,560 --> 01:20:58,800
Speaker 1: my boys took your shit and I got it back

1658
01:20:58,840 --> 01:21:03,559
Speaker 1: for you. So I said all right. So he said, Yo, man,

1659
01:21:03,600 --> 01:21:05,679
Speaker 1: you know my man such and such and such and such,

1660
01:21:05,479 --> 01:21:08,280
Speaker 1: and you know we be we be at the parties. Man.

1661
01:21:08,320 --> 01:21:09,680
Speaker 1: You know, he said, I'm telling you how this shit

1662
01:21:09,760 --> 01:21:12,639
Speaker 1: work because these dudes they buy, they they still calls

1663
01:21:12,680 --> 01:21:13,479
Speaker 1: and then they bring it to me.

1664
01:21:13,680 --> 01:21:16,839
Speaker 2: Then I get them money for it. So I said, okay.

1665
01:21:17,120 --> 01:21:19,879
Speaker 1: He said, but I've seen your name and kept business

1666
01:21:19,880 --> 01:21:21,960
Speaker 1: cards and all kinds of stuff coming up. I like, then,

1667
01:21:22,520 --> 01:21:29,200
Speaker 1: I mean, then your flyers must be your ship. So nah,

1668
01:21:29,240 --> 01:21:31,519
Speaker 1: we can't take ralph shit. We gotta give it back

1669
01:21:31,520 --> 01:21:34,240
Speaker 1: to him. So I said, all right. So I'm waiting

1670
01:21:34,240 --> 01:21:37,720
Speaker 1: on what's what it back or not? Right, Come on

1671
01:21:37,760 --> 01:21:39,920
Speaker 1: around the block. Now this is a dark now there's

1672
01:21:39,920 --> 01:21:41,960
Speaker 1: no lights on his block. So I said, it's what

1673
01:21:42,040 --> 01:21:45,479
Speaker 1: it gets tricky. We're gonna be tasseling in the streets

1674
01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:47,960
Speaker 1: because I'm not I'm gonna going punking out. I'm gonna

1675
01:21:47,960 --> 01:21:50,760
Speaker 1: get my shoes and get anything. Keep it moving. Went

1676
01:21:50,800 --> 01:21:52,880
Speaker 1: around the corner, said there's my car sitting there. They

1677
01:21:52,880 --> 01:21:57,160
Speaker 1: had taken the speakers out and everything. They ripped everything out, damn,

1678
01:21:57,200 --> 01:21:59,800
Speaker 1: and the dude gave it back to me. Still to

1679
01:21:59,840 --> 01:22:02,400
Speaker 1: this day, I see my man that, you know, some

1680
01:22:02,439 --> 01:22:06,800
Speaker 1: of the spots in Brooklyn, and and he and he,

1681
01:22:07,120 --> 01:22:09,800
Speaker 1: me and him became friends, and we're good people. And

1682
01:22:10,240 --> 01:22:11,960
Speaker 1: become friends with everybody you got beef with.

1683
01:22:13,880 --> 01:22:16,720
Speaker 3: You know, it's the easy way to go.

1684
01:22:18,520 --> 01:22:19,280
Speaker 2: Better friends than not.

1685
01:22:19,560 --> 01:22:21,800
Speaker 3: Right.

1686
01:22:22,600 --> 01:22:25,559
Speaker 1: Uh, I'm done, I got let me go think a friend.

1687
01:22:25,880 --> 01:22:28,920
Speaker 3: I wait you to come back. It is good.

1688
01:22:29,160 --> 01:22:32,000
Speaker 1: So what is what? What is one of your favorite

1689
01:22:32,040 --> 01:22:34,400
Speaker 1: moments in video music box history?

1690
01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:36,200
Speaker 2: Oh?

1691
01:22:36,280 --> 01:22:44,400
Speaker 1: Man, the biggest, my best favorite moments, I think you know,

1692
01:22:44,479 --> 01:22:46,080
Speaker 1: probably fresh Fest was a big deal.

1693
01:22:46,200 --> 01:22:48,160
Speaker 2: And that was early in eighty five.

1694
01:22:49,920 --> 01:22:51,599
Speaker 1: You know, I take to all of the summer jams

1695
01:22:52,880 --> 01:22:55,599
Speaker 1: because I was working there at the time. The only

1696
01:22:55,640 --> 01:22:58,960
Speaker 1: one I didn't tape. And we said, all of the

1697
01:22:59,000 --> 01:23:02,040
Speaker 1: summer jazz, Yeah, from like up till now, yeah, from

1698
01:23:02,120 --> 01:23:05,000
Speaker 1: like at least okay, maybe they have twenty five I

1699
01:23:05,040 --> 01:23:05,799
Speaker 1: at least seventeen.

1700
01:23:06,040 --> 01:23:10,719
Speaker 3: They're like wow, And.

1701
01:23:09,040 --> 01:23:11,160
Speaker 1: And I just knew it was important to take these

1702
01:23:11,160 --> 01:23:13,760
Speaker 1: things like, you know, I wasn't thinking about content. I

1703
01:23:13,840 --> 01:23:15,400
Speaker 1: was thinking about I mean, I'm not even think about

1704
01:23:15,400 --> 01:23:17,559
Speaker 1: content on my show at that time, but I was

1705
01:23:17,600 --> 01:23:21,439
Speaker 1: also thinking about this is a history and it needs

1706
01:23:21,479 --> 01:23:24,559
Speaker 1: to be documented. And so I taped all of those,

1707
01:23:26,439 --> 01:23:33,280
Speaker 1: all of them, like them them, Toya, Kanye and Jay

1708
01:23:33,400 --> 01:23:36,840
Speaker 1: and you know, all of y'all, you know everything that

1709
01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:42,880
Speaker 1: was important. So I'm glad that I have documented that

1710
01:23:43,479 --> 01:23:47,040
Speaker 1: that we can look at that and do whatever for future.

1711
01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:52,320
Speaker 1: And then there's the other stuff, like you know, the fashion,

1712
01:23:52,720 --> 01:23:56,639
Speaker 1: you know, you know Benny, the jewelers and those kinds

1713
01:23:56,640 --> 01:23:58,840
Speaker 1: of things to go into little spots and when Cats

1714
01:23:58,920 --> 01:24:01,559
Speaker 1: is making the jewelry and you know, we got to

1715
01:24:01,600 --> 01:24:05,880
Speaker 1: meet them and fooboo. First time you ever heard it

1716
01:24:05,920 --> 01:24:08,840
Speaker 1: food was on video music bi wow. I never heard

1717
01:24:08,840 --> 01:24:13,240
Speaker 1: of that before. The dude Damon came and and and

1718
01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:17,719
Speaker 1: my man Keith and Keith working with my mother and said, Yo,

1719
01:24:18,520 --> 01:24:20,559
Speaker 1: this kid that works with me, he got clothing line

1720
01:24:20,640 --> 01:24:23,840
Speaker 1: called fool. So I said, I didn't know what it meant,

1721
01:24:24,240 --> 01:24:26,040
Speaker 1: So what does that mean? It's like for us?

1722
01:24:26,040 --> 01:24:26,439
Speaker 3: By us?

1723
01:24:26,479 --> 01:24:30,040
Speaker 1: I was like, what fire fire, That's the most incredible

1724
01:24:30,080 --> 01:24:30,679
Speaker 1: thing I ever heard.

1725
01:24:30,800 --> 01:24:32,080
Speaker 2: Come on, we're gonna put it on the show.

1726
01:24:32,960 --> 01:24:35,160
Speaker 1: Put it on the show, I said, where y'all got

1727
01:24:35,200 --> 01:24:36,760
Speaker 1: these clothes at They were like everywhere.

1728
01:24:37,000 --> 01:24:38,479
Speaker 2: They were like, nah, just on the alf.

1729
01:24:39,280 --> 01:24:42,519
Speaker 1: When Jamaica app in the coliseum, I said, right, well,

1730
01:24:42,680 --> 01:24:44,120
Speaker 1: you'll about to get some more because once Peop put

1731
01:24:44,160 --> 01:24:46,360
Speaker 1: it on video music box, it's gonna be popping. So

1732
01:24:46,439 --> 01:24:49,720
Speaker 1: they was looking at me like and then Damon said, yo,

1733
01:24:49,920 --> 01:24:52,679
Speaker 1: you wasn't lying. People calling from all over the place.

1734
01:24:52,840 --> 01:24:57,720
Speaker 1: We want to get our shirts. Yeah, So that was

1735
01:24:57,800 --> 01:25:02,839
Speaker 1: that was a breakthrough because then we started creating fashion

1736
01:25:02,880 --> 01:25:08,519
Speaker 1: shows for people like Damon John and them. So you know,

1737
01:25:08,760 --> 01:25:13,120
Speaker 1: April Walker, she's putting clothes on, you know, she's doing

1738
01:25:13,360 --> 01:25:18,160
Speaker 1: you know, a bit big. You know, all these different people,

1739
01:25:18,160 --> 01:25:20,320
Speaker 1: Sewan John or Rockaway.

1740
01:25:21,240 --> 01:25:22,200
Speaker 3: Remember everybody had.

1741
01:25:22,680 --> 01:25:28,120
Speaker 1: Cloth platform, the refugee line, the Biggie had Brooklyn Mint, right, Yeah,

1742
01:25:28,240 --> 01:25:29,320
Speaker 1: everybody had clothing line.

1743
01:25:29,320 --> 01:25:31,760
Speaker 2: After while, it kind of got stupid after a while.

1744
01:25:32,240 --> 01:25:33,439
Speaker 3: That's enough, you know.

1745
01:25:33,840 --> 01:25:36,920
Speaker 1: But but we gave them a lane to do something,

1746
01:25:37,520 --> 01:25:41,559
Speaker 1: and we created this show because Fashion Week was fronting

1747
01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:44,680
Speaker 1: on all of those clothing lines. Only one that could

1748
01:25:44,720 --> 01:25:46,639
Speaker 1: buy their way in was Russell Simmons because he had

1749
01:25:46,720 --> 01:25:47,200
Speaker 1: death ly have.

1750
01:25:47,280 --> 01:25:49,760
Speaker 3: Money for fat Farm, right, fat farm right.

1751
01:25:50,080 --> 01:25:52,559
Speaker 1: But everybody else was getting front of on her and

1752
01:25:52,680 --> 01:25:54,720
Speaker 1: so we said, I'm saying, I'm gonna We're gonna create

1753
01:25:54,720 --> 01:25:57,519
Speaker 1: our own fashion show just for the hip hop ship

1754
01:25:58,280 --> 01:26:00,439
Speaker 1: at the same time they do Fashion Week. That's smart

1755
01:26:01,160 --> 01:26:03,679
Speaker 1: the same time, so we get the same models.

1756
01:26:03,800 --> 01:26:08,320
Speaker 4: Tyson realized that you just said that you would do

1757
01:26:08,560 --> 01:26:10,800
Speaker 4: your fashion shows the same time fashion week.

1758
01:26:11,160 --> 01:26:12,360
Speaker 2: That's smart. That was smart.

1759
01:26:12,600 --> 01:26:15,720
Speaker 1: I remember seeing that, but I ain't realized.

1760
01:26:15,720 --> 01:26:17,800
Speaker 2: You know what, you know what fashion it was because

1761
01:26:17,840 --> 01:26:18,680
Speaker 2: you wasn't supposed to know.

1762
01:26:18,720 --> 01:26:19,599
Speaker 3: They weren't biting.

1763
01:26:23,200 --> 01:26:25,479
Speaker 5: Because it would look like it's synonymous with fashion week.

1764
01:26:25,560 --> 01:26:27,880
Speaker 5: So if you knew or you didn't know, it works.

1765
01:26:28,600 --> 01:26:29,759
Speaker 3: You know they worked.

1766
01:26:29,760 --> 01:26:33,960
Speaker 1: But you know, that's we figure out ways. That's hip hop.

1767
01:26:34,520 --> 01:26:36,840
Speaker 1: We figure out ways to be creative and do something

1768
01:26:36,880 --> 01:26:41,200
Speaker 1: that's going to be, you know, helpful for us, because

1769
01:26:41,240 --> 01:26:43,559
Speaker 1: that's my job to think. You know, whatever I did,

1770
01:26:44,840 --> 01:26:46,880
Speaker 1: y'all don't have to go through Drink Champs. Don't have

1771
01:26:46,920 --> 01:26:49,320
Speaker 1: to go through the facts what drink Champs does. The

1772
01:26:49,400 --> 01:26:50,880
Speaker 1: next nigga don't have to go to it. But we

1773
01:26:50,880 --> 01:26:53,280
Speaker 1: already did it. But fam so you usually been here.

1774
01:26:54,120 --> 01:27:05,640
Speaker 1: Just think about this, hey man, you don't used to

1775
01:27:05,680 --> 01:27:08,200
Speaker 1: have way more bottles up here before we did.

1776
01:27:09,080 --> 01:27:10,519
Speaker 2: We're getting older and we're here.

1777
01:27:13,040 --> 01:27:13,360
Speaker 3: All right.

1778
01:27:13,400 --> 01:27:15,680
Speaker 5: So this is the game. This is this is our

1779
01:27:15,720 --> 01:27:19,479
Speaker 5: drinking game. We're gonna give you two choices. If you

1780
01:27:19,520 --> 01:27:24,719
Speaker 5: pick one, nobody drinks. Okay, easy. If I pick one nobody.

1781
01:27:24,720 --> 01:27:26,920
Speaker 1: If you pick one of the two choices, if you

1782
01:27:27,000 --> 01:27:30,080
Speaker 1: say neither of them or both of them, which would

1783
01:27:30,080 --> 01:27:33,320
Speaker 1: be the PC answer, we're all drinking. We all take

1784
01:27:33,360 --> 01:27:35,479
Speaker 1: a shot. You could take a sip, whatever you want.

1785
01:27:35,760 --> 01:27:39,800
Speaker 1: If you want a shot, up to you.

1786
01:27:39,880 --> 01:27:41,760
Speaker 3: No Hennessy today.

1787
01:27:41,880 --> 01:27:43,920
Speaker 2: Okay, so you want him to be her designated drink.

1788
01:27:44,880 --> 01:27:45,280
Speaker 3: There you go.

1789
01:27:47,000 --> 01:27:48,599
Speaker 2: I've been waiting to drinking. I'm drinking with you.

1790
01:27:50,080 --> 01:27:52,640
Speaker 3: It's ready, yep, all right.

1791
01:27:52,720 --> 01:27:57,599
Speaker 1: First one, Damn ad Love or Fab five par crazy

1792
01:27:58,200 --> 01:28:00,240
Speaker 1: ed Love. That's my man for queens, little around corner

1793
01:28:00,280 --> 01:28:04,520
Speaker 1: from me. Fab is my man too, but ed love him.

1794
01:28:03,760 --> 01:28:06,400
Speaker 5: And any stories with anybody we mentioned police because this

1795
01:28:06,439 --> 01:28:08,960
Speaker 5: is all about just let me tell you talk your memory.

1796
01:28:09,960 --> 01:28:10,519
Speaker 3: Fab five.

1797
01:28:10,560 --> 01:28:14,160
Speaker 1: Freddie is one of the most amazing type dudes that

1798
01:28:14,200 --> 01:28:15,120
Speaker 1: ever you could ever meet.

1799
01:28:15,160 --> 01:28:17,639
Speaker 2: This like the ambassador of to the world.

1800
01:28:17,960 --> 01:28:20,040
Speaker 1: When you go and hang with Freddie, because he's going

1801
01:28:20,120 --> 01:28:23,120
Speaker 1: to introduce you to some intellectual type people, right that

1802
01:28:23,200 --> 01:28:26,479
Speaker 1: you don't know, right, but you should know. And and

1803
01:28:26,479 --> 01:28:28,840
Speaker 1: and that's what I appreciate about fab Man is that

1804
01:28:28,880 --> 01:28:32,480
Speaker 1: this guy is just like a hip hop statesman.

1805
01:28:32,640 --> 01:28:35,160
Speaker 2: You know, he's worldly. He knows this shit.

1806
01:28:35,200 --> 01:28:38,400
Speaker 1: He knows about the music, he knows about the quality

1807
01:28:38,520 --> 01:28:39,639
Speaker 1: of you know, the cloth.

1808
01:28:39,720 --> 01:28:40,760
Speaker 3: You know, he's that type of thing.

1809
01:28:41,160 --> 01:28:42,280
Speaker 2: Documentary on him.

1810
01:28:42,200 --> 01:28:43,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's going to happen.

1811
01:28:43,280 --> 01:28:47,040
Speaker 5: It's going to happen because he's an interesting individual.

1812
01:28:48,000 --> 01:28:48,320
Speaker 1: Man.

1813
01:28:48,320 --> 01:28:50,240
Speaker 2: But Ed is my man from from around the world.

1814
01:28:50,320 --> 01:28:52,200
Speaker 1: We just had him, and it's perfect that you're here

1815
01:28:52,280 --> 01:28:52,880
Speaker 1: right after him.

1816
01:28:53,600 --> 01:28:55,880
Speaker 2: Ed used to be the security guard at the high school.

1817
01:28:57,080 --> 01:28:59,960
Speaker 2: We tell that part he left out secure.

1818
01:29:00,080 --> 01:29:01,320
Speaker 1: Are you gonna lift that hard?

1819
01:29:01,479 --> 01:29:02,719
Speaker 2: Andrew Jackson High School?

1820
01:29:04,040 --> 01:29:07,760
Speaker 5: El coo J or Big Daddy Kane?

1821
01:29:08,520 --> 01:29:11,720
Speaker 1: Well, hm hm, I get up my shots ready in

1822
01:29:11,760 --> 01:29:12,599
Speaker 1: case you say something.

1823
01:29:13,840 --> 01:29:14,280
Speaker 3: Can you get it?

1824
01:29:14,560 --> 01:29:20,280
Speaker 1: Jamie got his shots? Come on, Jamie, I'm gonna go

1825
01:29:20,360 --> 01:29:25,360
Speaker 1: with Big Daddy Kane on that one, you know, And

1826
01:29:25,479 --> 01:29:29,400
Speaker 1: that's you know, oh yeah, clearly, Yello cooj is you're

1827
01:29:29,400 --> 01:29:29,800
Speaker 1: not drinking.

1828
01:29:30,080 --> 01:29:32,519
Speaker 3: Catalog is amazing se for everybody.

1829
01:29:33,160 --> 01:29:37,240
Speaker 1: But you know, I've been in the Brooklyn clubs when

1830
01:29:37,240 --> 01:29:41,240
Speaker 1: that Cane comes on, and the whole ruckus starts with

1831
01:29:41,280 --> 01:29:43,479
Speaker 1: the rat of Cane comes on and niggas start fighting,

1832
01:29:43,800 --> 01:29:44,479
Speaker 1: like yes.

1833
01:29:44,720 --> 01:29:48,320
Speaker 2: Now, so you're picking Kane, right.

1834
01:29:48,320 --> 01:29:53,640
Speaker 1: I'm picking Caine just because I'm aggressive one D M

1835
01:29:53,760 --> 01:29:59,000
Speaker 1: C or the Beastie Boys, Yeah, I mean Fox and

1836
01:29:59,120 --> 01:30:04,920
Speaker 1: then on too fifth shooting the gifts right, Rock sand

1837
01:30:05,000 --> 01:30:06,320
Speaker 1: Chante or Money Love.

1838
01:30:07,640 --> 01:30:09,639
Speaker 2: Chante. Chantey's my girl.

1839
01:30:10,000 --> 01:30:13,280
Speaker 1: Man, you are terrible at these questions. Is money is?

1840
01:30:14,880 --> 01:30:16,599
Speaker 1: But he's gonna say.

1841
01:30:17,120 --> 01:30:19,120
Speaker 3: He's in my video, my documentary.

1842
01:30:19,640 --> 01:30:21,160
Speaker 1: He was one of the last edits that we put

1843
01:30:21,200 --> 01:30:23,320
Speaker 1: in there and there was something we did on on Instagram,

1844
01:30:23,560 --> 01:30:30,920
Speaker 1: So big up money, yeah, Guru or Scarface rect of Peace.

1845
01:30:33,600 --> 01:30:36,599
Speaker 3: You know, Scarface is amazing, dude, very.

1846
01:30:36,640 --> 01:30:38,080
Speaker 1: Well right now because I know he was going to

1847
01:30:38,479 --> 01:30:40,400
Speaker 1: going through some health issues. I hope he's well. Man,

1848
01:30:40,439 --> 01:30:44,639
Speaker 1: he's going through some health issues. We need, we need scarfaces. Yeah, yeah,

1849
01:30:44,760 --> 01:30:48,240
Speaker 1: he's just now. When I realized how good Scarface was

1850
01:30:48,280 --> 01:30:51,720
Speaker 1: and I saw him in Rock him interacting, you know,

1851
01:30:51,800 --> 01:30:54,280
Speaker 1: and you know hip hop thing is rock him is

1852
01:30:54,439 --> 01:30:57,000
Speaker 1: you know, like, I'm not sleeping on you, fam, I'm

1853
01:30:57,040 --> 01:30:59,760
Speaker 1: I'm paying attention to you, Scarface, Like I could see

1854
01:30:59,760 --> 01:31:04,840
Speaker 1: that years year and I'm like.

1855
01:31:04,800 --> 01:31:07,400
Speaker 2: This because they were both the recipients.

1856
01:31:06,920 --> 01:31:12,439
Speaker 1: Right, so I like rock him. It's respectfully keep an

1857
01:31:12,479 --> 01:31:14,920
Speaker 1: eye on you, bro, because I know that you can do.

1858
01:31:15,000 --> 01:31:17,639
Speaker 1: I know what you're capable of doing. Face is one

1859
01:31:17,640 --> 01:31:19,880
Speaker 1: of the illness, man, But I'm going to go with Guru.

1860
01:31:20,600 --> 01:31:27,519
Speaker 3: Okay, d m X or jay Z jay Z.

1861
01:31:29,560 --> 01:31:36,320
Speaker 2: Swiss speeds are Timbaland Swiss speeds.

1862
01:31:37,560 --> 01:31:41,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, every d MX right, Queen the teeth for MC like,

1863
01:31:43,600 --> 01:31:50,160
Speaker 1: oh like she's off the block, mob deep or m

1864
01:31:50,200 --> 01:31:51,719
Speaker 1: O P.

1865
01:31:53,320 --> 01:31:53,519
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1866
01:31:53,560 --> 01:31:55,320
Speaker 1: I can't make a decision on it, so you can

1867
01:31:55,360 --> 01:32:02,840
Speaker 1: make sunny drink. I'll drink with cheers brothers. Yeah, I

1868
01:32:02,880 --> 01:32:07,880
Speaker 1: can't make a decisions all right, Meal Brookelyn Queeneens Jendakis

1869
01:32:07,880 --> 01:32:18,200
Speaker 1: are nas nas Bigge Smalls a big L Biggy. Did

1870
01:32:18,200 --> 01:32:21,479
Speaker 1: you ever interact with Big L rest in pieces big

1871
01:32:22,160 --> 01:32:26,400
Speaker 1: d I t C Yeah, man, he was just you know,

1872
01:32:27,479 --> 01:32:30,760
Speaker 1: I mean, Lord Finesse is a beast, a beast back

1873
01:32:30,800 --> 01:32:35,360
Speaker 1: in we need Lord Finesse on drink champs. But oh yeah, yeah, man,

1874
01:32:36,040 --> 01:32:40,280
Speaker 1: I got big and that's what Big L was looking at. Finesse,

1875
01:32:42,840 --> 01:32:47,439
Speaker 1: Big pun or O d B wow rest in peace

1876
01:32:49,320 --> 01:32:53,639
Speaker 1: fun But okay Wu tang or n w a Whu

1877
01:32:53,720 --> 01:32:58,040
Speaker 1: tang radio podcasts.

1878
01:33:00,400 --> 01:33:02,559
Speaker 2: Radio because I'm a radio Yeah, grew up on radio.

1879
01:33:05,520 --> 01:33:10,519
Speaker 1: Yeah that m TV Raps Raps or b T the Basement,

1880
01:33:10,600 --> 01:33:14,719
Speaker 1: Rap City, the Basement, b T the Basement. Big ticket

1881
01:33:14,840 --> 01:33:18,320
Speaker 1: was hot. That was that was official ticket. Don't get

1882
01:33:18,439 --> 01:33:23,240
Speaker 1: enough credit for you know you're yeah for you know,

1883
01:33:23,439 --> 01:33:28,760
Speaker 1: curating that because he did so many amazing freestyles and

1884
01:33:28,880 --> 01:33:31,599
Speaker 1: artists really wanted to do it. I felt like when

1885
01:33:31,600 --> 01:33:35,000
Speaker 1: they came on on on his on that show. I

1886
01:33:35,000 --> 01:33:37,479
Speaker 1: don't know if it was b E T putting that together,

1887
01:33:37,520 --> 01:33:42,880
Speaker 1: but I feel like Tiga started off as a dancer. Really,

1888
01:33:42,960 --> 01:33:46,320
Speaker 1: I didn't know that tickets in Tiga is in where

1889
01:33:46,960 --> 01:33:51,120
Speaker 1: he tickets from the Bronx. Really yeah, tickets in a

1890
01:33:51,200 --> 01:33:56,000
Speaker 1: video I directed called Sally by steps of signing, not

1891
01:33:56,160 --> 01:34:01,840
Speaker 1: Sally that girl from no that tell you thinking of

1892
01:34:01,880 --> 01:34:04,760
Speaker 1: a girl named Sally, what your crewing on her name is?

1893
01:34:05,200 --> 01:34:06,240
Speaker 3: The sonic Sally is?

1894
01:34:06,360 --> 01:34:07,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, it's a different.

1895
01:34:07,760 --> 01:34:10,040
Speaker 1: And they're in the barber shop. If you look at

1896
01:34:10,080 --> 01:34:11,760
Speaker 1: the barber shop, they're all sitting in the chair getting

1897
01:34:11,760 --> 01:34:13,880
Speaker 1: their haircut and there's some guys. This is when dancers

1898
01:34:13,880 --> 01:34:16,439
Speaker 1: was in videos right right in all videos, that's Ticket

1899
01:34:16,920 --> 01:34:20,040
Speaker 1: because Wow, the girl Sheryl that worked with me at

1900
01:34:20,080 --> 01:34:23,880
Speaker 1: the time producing, she knew him from the Bronx and

1901
01:34:23,920 --> 01:34:25,360
Speaker 1: she was like, he wants to he wants to be

1902
01:34:25,400 --> 01:34:26,960
Speaker 1: in the video. And I was like, I didn't. He

1903
01:34:27,000 --> 01:34:29,439
Speaker 1: wasn't Ticket yet, you know. But he was a cool guy,

1904
01:34:29,600 --> 01:34:31,040
Speaker 1: you know, he was like, you know what like dancers,

1905
01:34:31,080 --> 01:34:33,479
Speaker 1: you know, they could they knew how to talk. And

1906
01:34:33,520 --> 01:34:35,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, he knew how to dance. So I said,

1907
01:34:35,080 --> 01:34:36,640
Speaker 1: all right, we're gonna put him in the video. And

1908
01:34:36,680 --> 01:34:38,160
Speaker 1: that's that's how I first met him.

1909
01:34:38,320 --> 01:34:39,639
Speaker 3: Wow. Fun fact.

1910
01:34:39,720 --> 01:34:45,160
Speaker 5: I was the first Florida DJ on Rhapsody on the Basement. Yeah,

1911
01:34:45,520 --> 01:34:47,760
Speaker 5: you know they had the DJ always with him. Yes,

1912
01:34:47,840 --> 01:34:51,639
Speaker 5: I was the first Floridian DJ to I didn't realize

1913
01:34:51,640 --> 01:34:52,719
Speaker 5: they had guest DJs.

1914
01:34:52,840 --> 01:34:55,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know who put me on just though,

1915
01:34:55,880 --> 01:34:58,960
Speaker 1: Oh man, he is the one who connected me to

1916
01:34:58,720 --> 01:35:00,000
Speaker 1: be to get that opportunity.

1917
01:35:00,040 --> 01:35:03,639
Speaker 3: I got a lot of those, those those the award shows.

1918
01:35:03,880 --> 01:35:06,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I won an award you remember one with

1919
01:35:06,160 --> 01:35:10,280
Speaker 1: Case Slay, Yeah fighting Oh the US name Mike.

1920
01:35:10,680 --> 01:35:12,759
Speaker 3: I think it was from from Far Rockaway.

1921
01:35:12,920 --> 01:35:15,400
Speaker 5: Was it the year that I won an award the

1922
01:35:15,439 --> 01:35:18,400
Speaker 5: year that fifty Cent won his Mixtape Award.

1923
01:35:18,720 --> 01:35:20,200
Speaker 2: Case the dude said, Case Case.

1924
01:35:20,439 --> 01:35:22,920
Speaker 1: He said, you're not a real DJ to Case Slay,

1925
01:35:23,960 --> 01:35:26,880
Speaker 1: and Case Slay was like what, And I'm interviewing him

1926
01:35:26,880 --> 01:35:30,800
Speaker 1: at the same time, So the dude comes out far

1927
01:35:30,920 --> 01:35:35,720
Speaker 1: rockaway Harlem. It's the next thing I know, k is

1928
01:35:35,800 --> 01:35:37,800
Speaker 1: like trying to get his body around. I know he's

1929
01:35:37,800 --> 01:35:39,880
Speaker 1: about to do He's gonna snuf him because he's because

1930
01:35:39,880 --> 01:35:42,360
Speaker 1: I'm in the way. So he's trying to get him

1931
01:35:42,439 --> 01:35:46,000
Speaker 1: himself around. But his man, oh no, it wasn't the case.

1932
01:35:46,120 --> 01:35:48,960
Speaker 1: His man comes up, punches the dude and then the

1933
01:35:49,040 --> 01:35:51,320
Speaker 1: next thing that everybody's flying around, falling the floor and

1934
01:35:51,320 --> 01:35:54,639
Speaker 1: stuff is Case was a super legend man, Case Lady

1935
01:35:55,280 --> 01:35:58,960
Speaker 1: from Wild Style. He's in Wild Style, man, Yeah, that's

1936
01:35:58,960 --> 01:36:03,960
Speaker 1: wild Case Slay. Case Slave would be said anytime Ralph Calm.

1937
01:36:04,240 --> 01:36:06,280
Speaker 1: These niggas get too excited, man, because they see that

1938
01:36:06,320 --> 01:36:13,960
Speaker 1: camera and ship Soul Trained. What you didn't even put

1939
01:36:13,960 --> 01:36:16,840
Speaker 1: anything after that, mister Lee. You just let the blanks.

1940
01:36:16,840 --> 01:36:23,120
Speaker 1: So Soul Trained or blank trainer American American bandstand.

1941
01:36:23,439 --> 01:36:28,320
Speaker 5: Mister Lee, you are terrible at this Soul Trainer Sunny DPT,

1942
01:36:31,720 --> 01:36:33,320
Speaker 5: Soul Trainer, Netflix.

1943
01:36:33,400 --> 01:36:42,200
Speaker 1: Great Great, the Great Don Cornillias, whoever could go with

1944
01:36:42,240 --> 01:36:45,760
Speaker 1: the Great donn the first time a lot of people

1945
01:36:45,760 --> 01:36:48,439
Speaker 1: saw hip hop too. Yeah, and Don really wasn't a

1946
01:36:48,439 --> 01:36:50,920
Speaker 1: fan of no hip hop. He was like nobody wasn't

1947
01:36:50,920 --> 01:36:54,960
Speaker 1: that time. He was like, really hip hop ship, niggas

1948
01:36:55,000 --> 01:36:56,920
Speaker 1: take that ship back to you because it was in

1949
01:36:57,040 --> 01:36:58,120
Speaker 1: La where they shot that show.

1950
01:36:58,320 --> 01:37:01,120
Speaker 3: Really, yeah, Soul Trained, I didn't know it was in La.

1951
01:37:02,479 --> 01:37:04,800
Speaker 3: Mm hmm, it was in La.

1952
01:37:04,880 --> 01:37:06,960
Speaker 1: It was like, no, we're not feeling Big Loue, the

1953
01:37:07,000 --> 01:37:08,679
Speaker 1: dude who used to be the big light skin dude.

1954
01:37:08,680 --> 01:37:09,280
Speaker 2: He and be in the front.

1955
01:37:09,280 --> 01:37:12,759
Speaker 1: He's the one who bought all the hip hop to Donne. Eighties,

1956
01:37:12,840 --> 01:37:18,960
Speaker 1: orties hip hop, nineties boom Back Street Corner. It was

1957
01:37:19,000 --> 01:37:22,559
Speaker 1: the most authentic time it was to listen to Nordy

1958
01:37:22,560 --> 01:37:24,160
Speaker 1: said something that actually really happened.

1959
01:37:25,040 --> 01:37:29,960
Speaker 5: Sometimes you feel like nineties hip hop reflected the reality

1960
01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:30,560
Speaker 5: of what was going on.

1961
01:37:30,640 --> 01:37:31,240
Speaker 3: I feel like it.

1962
01:37:31,439 --> 01:37:35,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, eighties was, you know, fun, some of it was

1963
01:37:35,479 --> 01:37:37,479
Speaker 1: made up, a lot of it was made up, But

1964
01:37:37,640 --> 01:37:38,479
Speaker 1: nineties was like.

1965
01:37:40,640 --> 01:37:42,920
Speaker 5: I feel like that late eighties going into the midnight

1966
01:37:43,640 --> 01:37:44,280
Speaker 5: was the best era.

1967
01:37:45,560 --> 01:37:52,160
Speaker 1: B Street versus Wild Style, Wild Style Michael Jackson or

1968
01:37:52,200 --> 01:38:00,080
Speaker 1: Prince Michael Jackson. Did you ever meet anil No, he

1969
01:38:00,120 --> 01:38:04,200
Speaker 1: thought Prince. Yes, Prince, I met Prince News. There's a

1970
01:38:04,200 --> 01:38:07,759
Speaker 1: spot in New York for news Member News.

1971
01:38:07,520 --> 01:38:09,479
Speaker 3: Street Prince spot. I think that was.

1972
01:38:09,880 --> 01:38:11,720
Speaker 2: I don't think he owned it, but he would just.

1973
01:38:11,840 --> 01:38:15,040
Speaker 3: Name dashboard it or something like that. Maybe Okay, So.

1974
01:38:15,000 --> 01:38:17,040
Speaker 1: He would just show up there like two o'clock in

1975
01:38:17,080 --> 01:38:20,200
Speaker 1: the morning with his guitar and he does that. People

1976
01:38:20,240 --> 01:38:22,400
Speaker 1: were starting because I'll be getting ready to go. He

1977
01:38:22,520 --> 01:38:25,240
Speaker 1: was like, I'm going, don't go, Prince is getting ready

1978
01:38:25,280 --> 01:38:25,519
Speaker 1: to come.

1979
01:38:25,720 --> 01:38:26,040
Speaker 3: Prince.

1980
01:38:26,320 --> 01:38:31,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, you just come in there and float it. Yeah. Yeah,

1981
01:38:32,040 --> 01:38:34,679
Speaker 1: all the women go crazy. Met the Man of red

1982
01:38:34,760 --> 01:38:41,879
Speaker 1: Man Nothing Man. I love red Man, Brick City clips

1983
01:38:41,960 --> 01:38:45,680
Speaker 1: or e p m d oh e p m d

1984
01:38:46,640 --> 01:38:47,559
Speaker 1: you asked her everything?

1985
01:38:47,560 --> 01:38:48,720
Speaker 3: Come on. I mean like.

1986
01:38:50,960 --> 01:38:55,800
Speaker 1: Rock Kim and the rest one. Rock Kim is my

1987
01:38:55,800 --> 01:38:58,840
Speaker 1: favorite artist, so I gotta go. Rock can kicking pria

1988
01:38:58,880 --> 01:39:02,800
Speaker 1: Red Alert read Alert. I love kicking for you, but

1989
01:39:02,880 --> 01:39:05,240
Speaker 1: Red Alert, I mean the amount of work that Red

1990
01:39:05,240 --> 01:39:07,960
Speaker 1: put on on that radio. And that's not a hard

1991
01:39:08,000 --> 01:39:09,600
Speaker 1: that's not an easy thing to do. He broke a

1992
01:39:09,640 --> 01:39:11,880
Speaker 1: lot of grounds different from playing in the clubs, right,

1993
01:39:12,800 --> 01:39:15,639
Speaker 1: you know, but on that radio, you fitting them records

1994
01:39:15,640 --> 01:39:18,280
Speaker 1: into that little hour or whatever time you got that

1995
01:39:19,120 --> 01:39:21,880
Speaker 1: rush hour mix. He changed a lot, He changed a

1996
01:39:21,960 --> 01:39:29,080
Speaker 1: lot and keeping it funky at the same time. Yeah,

1997
01:39:30,280 --> 01:39:35,960
Speaker 1: Drake or Kendrick. I'm a Drake fan. Yeah, I like Drake.

1998
01:39:36,640 --> 01:39:39,240
Speaker 1: I went to see Drake and concert. Really to this thing,

1999
01:39:39,960 --> 01:39:44,320
Speaker 1: I ain't mad at Yeah, ship flying around the arena.

2000
01:39:44,640 --> 01:39:49,400
Speaker 1: This is like Funkadelic up in the head, the baby

2001
01:39:49,720 --> 01:39:58,639
Speaker 1: worth a little baby, the baby Okay, funky. Loyalty or respect, respect,

2002
01:39:59,080 --> 01:40:02,160
Speaker 1: I'm good with the respect you gotta be. You know,

2003
01:40:02,520 --> 01:40:12,559
Speaker 1: you can go over there and talk salut nicks, thank

2004
01:40:12,600 --> 01:40:16,760
Speaker 1: you for your thank you for your service. Back then

2005
01:40:17,320 --> 01:40:24,559
Speaker 1: news playing videos, was there a censorship everything. You couldn't

2006
01:40:24,560 --> 01:40:29,559
Speaker 1: say the N word, for sure. Could you curse? No,

2007
01:40:29,960 --> 01:40:33,800
Speaker 1: not on TV because we were under FCC rules, So

2008
01:40:34,479 --> 01:40:38,080
Speaker 1: you can't curse certain things. You know, you're not supposed

2009
01:40:38,120 --> 01:40:44,240
Speaker 1: to do sexuals, you know things and so yeah, so

2010
01:40:44,400 --> 01:40:48,559
Speaker 1: you basically that was it. I mean we now compared

2011
01:40:48,600 --> 01:40:52,320
Speaker 1: to now, it's much more strict now to me, the

2012
01:40:52,439 --> 01:40:55,839
Speaker 1: rules of what you can say on TV. Yeah, regularly

2013
01:40:56,160 --> 01:40:59,320
Speaker 1: I thought they got cable because sometimes you might be

2014
01:40:59,360 --> 01:41:03,559
Speaker 1: watching cable. Everybody confuses it now because you're so used

2015
01:41:03,560 --> 01:41:09,759
Speaker 1: to well, you're watching stream and it's not the edited

2016
01:41:09,840 --> 01:41:15,000
Speaker 1: version of it like NBC Live coming on TV. It's

2017
01:41:15,040 --> 01:41:17,320
Speaker 1: not like you're watching you know, super Bowl or some

2018
01:41:17,360 --> 01:41:22,080
Speaker 1: ship like that, which a live show. They you can't

2019
01:41:22,120 --> 01:41:24,120
Speaker 1: say a lot of things. I mean in commentary, you

2020
01:41:24,160 --> 01:41:28,479
Speaker 1: can't talk about politically be politically incorrect even.

2021
01:41:28,800 --> 01:41:30,559
Speaker 2: But I feel like they're loose with the cursing.

2022
01:41:30,600 --> 01:41:30,840
Speaker 3: Now.

2023
01:41:31,680 --> 01:41:33,720
Speaker 1: No, I think you're talking about when you're watching on

2024
01:41:33,760 --> 01:41:35,040
Speaker 1: the streams, not.

2025
01:41:35,920 --> 01:41:37,519
Speaker 3: On regular, not on regular.

2026
01:41:37,880 --> 01:41:41,479
Speaker 1: Really you ain't gonna hea fu shit, No, no, no, no,

2027
01:41:41,520 --> 01:41:44,240
Speaker 1: not that. And I'm not saying that, but they just looser.

2028
01:41:44,280 --> 01:41:47,479
Speaker 1: Was some like innuendos than they would have been before.

2029
01:41:47,520 --> 01:41:47,760
Speaker 2: Before.

2030
01:41:47,840 --> 01:41:50,760
Speaker 1: It seemed like way more strict, way more like what's

2031
01:41:50,760 --> 01:41:56,519
Speaker 1: it fresh Stafford. They were wild back then. Oh yes,

2032
01:41:58,200 --> 01:42:01,120
Speaker 1: it was I'm gonna.

2033
01:42:00,920 --> 01:42:03,679
Speaker 3: Get that ship and our Bundy, something that our Bundy?

2034
01:42:04,240 --> 01:42:06,439
Speaker 2: Oh what's man?

2035
01:42:07,680 --> 01:42:08,360
Speaker 3: All in the family?

2036
01:42:10,479 --> 01:42:12,599
Speaker 2: Archie Bunker was wild, like yo.

2037
01:42:13,479 --> 01:42:17,280
Speaker 1: Wild, right and and and that's that show was a

2038
01:42:18,000 --> 01:42:21,760
Speaker 1: groundbreaking and it was actually no show like that, right

2039
01:42:21,920 --> 01:42:24,120
Speaker 1: there was actually people think it's bad but there was

2040
01:42:24,160 --> 01:42:28,080
Speaker 1: actually grown addressing because I lived on a block with

2041
01:42:28,200 --> 01:42:30,880
Speaker 1: the dude right next to me was Archie Bunker. The

2042
01:42:30,920 --> 01:42:33,479
Speaker 1: only time we ever talked was about the Mets. But

2043
01:42:34,080 --> 01:42:36,320
Speaker 1: I mean, and I'd be like he'd be having to

2044
01:42:36,320 --> 01:42:39,040
Speaker 1: transistor radio outside. He would he would look at me

2045
01:42:39,160 --> 01:42:42,439
Speaker 1: like he hated me. But if I go your what's

2046
01:42:42,439 --> 01:42:45,640
Speaker 1: the score? They're winning seven to three? And then the

2047
01:42:46,400 --> 01:42:49,759
Speaker 1: bow just said a base said, you know he aloud,

2048
01:42:49,880 --> 01:42:54,559
Speaker 1: he talked about sports other than that, Wow, keep it moving,

2049
01:42:54,640 --> 01:42:59,280
Speaker 1: my Negro Mets of the Yankees, Mets you met.

2050
01:42:59,240 --> 01:43:03,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I Mets mess from nineteen sixty nine. I just

2051
01:43:03,479 --> 01:43:06,680
Speaker 2: just right now, I just threw out the first Jesus,

2052
01:43:06,720 --> 01:43:08,080
Speaker 2: sound like your hands were what bro.

2053
01:43:09,920 --> 01:43:12,240
Speaker 1: I just threw out the first pitch at City Field.

2054
01:43:13,280 --> 01:43:15,519
Speaker 1: I was number twenty one, which is don I mean

2055
01:43:15,600 --> 01:43:18,360
Speaker 1: Cleon Jones, which is when I was a kid. Cleon

2056
01:43:18,439 --> 01:43:21,200
Speaker 1: Jones was the outfielder I think played left field. He

2057
01:43:21,320 --> 01:43:25,000
Speaker 1: was a rookie of the Year. And I threw out

2058
01:43:25,000 --> 01:43:27,600
Speaker 1: the first pitch. I never and they called me. I

2059
01:43:27,640 --> 01:43:29,439
Speaker 1: wasn't like I was promoting you trying to get it.

2060
01:43:29,600 --> 01:43:31,320
Speaker 1: They were like, would you be interested in throwing out

2061
01:43:31,320 --> 01:43:35,040
Speaker 1: the first pitch. I think, yeah, well deserved. Yeah, I

2062
01:43:35,120 --> 01:43:38,320
Speaker 1: was like what I said, Yeah, I'm coming, whatday, what time?

2063
01:43:39,200 --> 01:43:44,560
Speaker 2: And so yeah, big up to the Mets.

2064
01:43:46,320 --> 01:44:05,600
Speaker 1: The source of Well Vibe magazine.

2065
01:43:58,439 --> 01:44:02,439
Speaker 5: Source, what do you think of hip hop media in general?

2066
01:44:03,400 --> 01:44:05,439
Speaker 5: Coming from where you come from? Like where do you

2067
01:44:05,479 --> 01:44:09,479
Speaker 5: think they took it or mistook it? I think that

2068
01:44:09,560 --> 01:44:12,519
Speaker 5: the source early days was dope. It was all about

2069
01:44:12,520 --> 01:44:15,680
Speaker 5: the music. I think that if I can remember, it

2070
01:44:15,760 --> 01:44:18,880
Speaker 5: was all about the music. It wasn't someone's.

2071
01:44:18,479 --> 01:44:21,920
Speaker 1: Opinion, right, it was like just doing something, you know,

2072
01:44:23,920 --> 01:44:26,599
Speaker 1: like I was all DJ first, so I just wanted

2073
01:44:26,600 --> 01:44:30,200
Speaker 1: to learn about the music, like who produced it, where

2074
01:44:30,240 --> 01:44:31,240
Speaker 1: did they record it at?

2075
01:44:31,439 --> 01:44:34,080
Speaker 2: What would you mean when you said this, what do

2076
01:44:34,080 --> 01:44:34,679
Speaker 2: you mean the dune?

2077
01:44:34,920 --> 01:44:37,559
Speaker 1: The source was doing that early on, right, what is

2078
01:44:37,600 --> 01:44:40,360
Speaker 1: the dun language? What are they talking about? The you know,

2079
01:44:40,960 --> 01:44:43,439
Speaker 1: I want to know, you know, I think I know

2080
01:44:43,520 --> 01:44:47,160
Speaker 1: what I don't really know. So I wanted to know

2081
01:44:47,200 --> 01:44:50,240
Speaker 1: that type of information. But when you know, sometimes it

2082
01:44:50,360 --> 01:44:53,720
Speaker 1: became I mean, it had to go somewhere. I guess

2083
01:44:53,760 --> 01:44:56,439
Speaker 1: they had to keep people picking up the magazine. So

2084
01:44:56,520 --> 01:45:00,479
Speaker 1: it becomes controversial, you know, and somebody up with a

2085
01:45:00,560 --> 01:45:04,960
Speaker 1: story and and we and it's not a positive story.

2086
01:45:05,600 --> 01:45:08,559
Speaker 1: It's all negatives. Now we're looking for the negative. The

2087
01:45:08,600 --> 01:45:12,760
Speaker 1: clickbait riot. Before this clicking was it was happening in

2088
01:45:12,760 --> 01:45:16,880
Speaker 1: the magazines. First you put whoever on the cover. Oh shit,

2089
01:45:16,960 --> 01:45:19,519
Speaker 1: Snoop Dog didn't he killed somebody, Let's go pick it up.

2090
01:45:19,720 --> 01:45:20,280
Speaker 2: They got people.

2091
01:45:20,400 --> 01:45:22,519
Speaker 3: See who blamed the Vibe magazine for for.

2092
01:45:22,520 --> 01:45:24,679
Speaker 5: The East coast West coast, which was not really east

2093
01:45:24,720 --> 01:45:29,000
Speaker 5: coast West coast, right, I've heard before, Yeah, because I

2094
01:45:29,160 --> 01:45:30,000
Speaker 5: was going back and forth.

2095
01:45:30,280 --> 01:45:32,280
Speaker 1: I had an office in LA. I didn't have no problem.

2096
01:45:32,520 --> 01:45:35,840
Speaker 1: I mean, not that I'm an artist, but you know,

2097
01:45:35,880 --> 01:45:39,040
Speaker 1: I didn't see that. But I'm not you know, it's

2098
01:45:39,120 --> 01:45:42,160
Speaker 1: not like I was, you know, on Crenshaw either. I

2099
01:45:42,200 --> 01:45:46,639
Speaker 1: was staying he was a good I was over here,

2100
01:45:47,560 --> 01:45:50,599
Speaker 1: but you know, it wasn't like I was in Brooklyn

2101
01:45:50,680 --> 01:45:53,000
Speaker 1: and not to hear nobody saying, oh I hate Snoop

2102
01:45:53,040 --> 01:45:55,040
Speaker 1: Dogg or I hate Doctor Dray.

2103
01:45:55,320 --> 01:45:56,240
Speaker 2: Nobody was saying that.

2104
01:45:56,800 --> 01:45:57,120
Speaker 3: Nobody.

2105
01:45:57,160 --> 01:45:59,919
Speaker 1: Nobody was saying that, like, no, we fuck with everybody,

2106
01:46:00,200 --> 01:46:02,680
Speaker 1: you know. That's the thing, you know, And I think

2107
01:46:02,720 --> 01:46:06,519
Speaker 1: people start to read one person says it, and then

2108
01:46:06,520 --> 01:46:09,280
Speaker 1: they think that the whole city thinks like that. I'm like, no,

2109
01:46:09,479 --> 01:46:10,280
Speaker 1: it's not true.

2110
01:46:10,080 --> 01:46:13,880
Speaker 2: And says it on a loudspeaker radio or whatever, even

2111
01:46:13,920 --> 01:46:14,840
Speaker 2: like outcasts.

2112
01:46:15,479 --> 01:46:17,680
Speaker 1: You know when Andre three thousands said, you know, the

2113
01:46:18,680 --> 01:46:21,760
Speaker 1: say like, Bro, we play it. We've been playing your

2114
01:46:21,760 --> 01:46:26,200
Speaker 1: records in New York. Maybe one of the radio stations

2115
01:46:26,200 --> 01:46:30,360
Speaker 1: didn't play it. That's not the city we've been messing

2116
01:46:30,400 --> 01:46:33,880
Speaker 1: with you man. You know, like, I'm like, Bro, I

2117
01:46:33,920 --> 01:46:36,120
Speaker 1: thought you was from Brooklyn where you first came out.

2118
01:46:36,120 --> 01:46:39,559
Speaker 1: You look at the first record, Southern playlistic. I was

2119
01:46:39,640 --> 01:46:42,400
Speaker 1: like youngs had on St. John's jerseys and all kinds.

2120
01:46:42,439 --> 01:46:45,320
Speaker 1: I'm like this, like where are they from? Until they

2121
01:46:45,360 --> 01:46:47,760
Speaker 1: started talking that, I was like, well, maybe they're not

2122
01:46:47,800 --> 01:46:51,600
Speaker 1: from New York, but they felt like New York. So

2123
01:46:51,720 --> 01:46:55,840
Speaker 1: when he said that, I was, come on, it's not true. No,

2124
01:46:55,920 --> 01:46:58,760
Speaker 1: But I mean that was the sentiment. That's what we

2125
01:46:58,800 --> 01:46:59,920
Speaker 1: talk about all the time here.

2126
01:47:01,560 --> 01:47:04,519
Speaker 5: That was a sentiment like for people in the in

2127
01:47:04,600 --> 01:47:07,599
Speaker 5: the South or from other parts of not being New York.

2128
01:47:07,680 --> 01:47:13,559
Speaker 5: New York was gatekeeping a lot of things.

2129
01:47:12,080 --> 01:47:13,920
Speaker 1: At that time. That's the way we felt. That's the

2130
01:47:13,920 --> 01:47:19,880
Speaker 1: way we felt. Understand right, it wasn't it wasn't no,

2131
01:47:19,960 --> 01:47:23,519
Speaker 1: But don't maybe not everybody, but not everybody like, not

2132
01:47:23,600 --> 01:47:27,400
Speaker 1: everybody like. I think the average person was showing love

2133
01:47:27,479 --> 01:47:29,960
Speaker 1: like everybody in hip hop was like over wall hip hop.

2134
01:47:30,280 --> 01:47:33,000
Speaker 1: But if the people in the industry, the ones that

2135
01:47:33,040 --> 01:47:36,599
Speaker 1: were gatekeeping that were saying, no, you don't sound like us,

2136
01:47:37,040 --> 01:47:38,720
Speaker 1: or you don't sound like that, you're not from here,

2137
01:47:38,760 --> 01:47:42,200
Speaker 1: you're not from that, and they were suppressing certain things.

2138
01:47:42,920 --> 01:47:45,120
Speaker 2: I agree the people in the industry.

2139
01:47:44,880 --> 01:47:47,960
Speaker 5: In the industry, I'm not saying hip hop, but the

2140
01:47:48,040 --> 01:47:51,280
Speaker 5: industry that was monetizing hip hop was doing that.

2141
01:47:51,560 --> 01:47:53,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, because we you know, like I said, we go

2142
01:47:53,920 --> 01:47:56,439
Speaker 1: back to I don't give a damn what the industry

2143
01:47:56,479 --> 01:47:59,000
Speaker 1: say about me. Many times I wasn't invited to ship

2144
01:47:59,439 --> 01:48:02,120
Speaker 1: or you know, I wasn't down or whatever. I never

2145
01:48:02,160 --> 01:48:05,160
Speaker 1: got no whatever award, this and this and that. I

2146
01:48:05,160 --> 01:48:08,280
Speaker 1: could care less. Meet me in Brooklyn on Foot Street

2147
01:48:08,400 --> 01:48:10,960
Speaker 1: and we see who get the love, right, I don't

2148
01:48:11,000 --> 01:48:14,400
Speaker 1: give you got planning records, nigga, come on, meet me outside.

2149
01:48:14,760 --> 01:48:18,120
Speaker 1: And so that was it, you know. And now once

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Speaker 1: I you know, I was comfortable with that, I'm good,

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Speaker 1: I'm okay, I'm all right. What do you think about

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Speaker 1: the celebration of hip hop fifty. I was part of it,

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Speaker 1: you know, I was part of it from the beginning.

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Speaker 1: The original idea was to have that concert in Central Park,

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Speaker 1: and we couldn't do it because Central Park. You couldn't

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Speaker 1: do a concert at that particular date in Central Park,

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Speaker 1: and so we weren't allowed to do it, and so

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Speaker 1: Live Nation took over it, and and.

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Speaker 3: That was it.

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Speaker 1: We went outdas It's lidation takes over me. You know,

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Speaker 1: they got the relationships to do what they do, you

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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. That was Yeah, and what did

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Speaker 1: that wind up doing? The Yankee Stadium? That was bast

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Speaker 1: Field Joint. Yeah, so Yankee Stadium. You know, Peter was

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Speaker 1: there the whole time. We were having to meet Peter

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Speaker 1: bitt Bend and we were talking about Central Park and

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Speaker 1: then it didn't happen. And then Peter called me and

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it at Yankee Stadium.

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Speaker 2: And I was like, when who told when?

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Speaker 1: Is? When did this happen? He said today? Does everybody know?

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Speaker 1: Because it was a committee? He was I don't think

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Speaker 1: it was a whole committee. And Peter said, I'm going

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Speaker 1: to do it Yanke. Does everybody know that? Yeah, they'll

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Speaker 1: know tomorrow's tomorrow, Peter, I love you, yeah, but this

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Speaker 1: is this is, this is that's the where I went.

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Speaker 2: And that was it.

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Speaker 1: So we you know, I think Peter did a great

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Speaker 1: job and holding it together because it could have went left,

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Speaker 1: could have when he did a good job and holding

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Speaker 1: it together. And the fact that Nas was there. Nobody's

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Speaker 1: going front and run DMC together together. They don't even

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Speaker 1: do shows like that. And and you got Lil Wayne there,

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Speaker 1: you know, you had Snoop camera was there, right, so

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Speaker 1: you know it had you know, it was in the

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Speaker 1: Bronx and that was the best part of it.

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Speaker 5: You can't put the weight of the whole culture or

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Speaker 5: the anniversary of fiftieth on that.

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Speaker 2: Everybody has to be a part of it, k their part.

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Speaker 1: KRS once said, I don't want to do it because

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Speaker 1: it should be free for everybody.

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Speaker 3: For the Bronx.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not mad at that either, right, That's what

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Speaker 1: krus One said. Didn't want to I'd he did. He

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Speaker 1: came out with that Joe, but he didn't want to

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Speaker 1: be billed. Okay, he said, I'm you know, I'll come

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Speaker 1: out with Joe, but it should be free, Ralph for

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Speaker 1: the community.

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Speaker 3: I said, right, But how we're gonna pay for this.

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Speaker 2: Wasn't come from and did you have answers to that? I

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Speaker 2: don't know.

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Speaker 1: He felt like he probably could come together with it,

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Speaker 1: but I don't think the timing of it, we didn't

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Speaker 1: have enough time to start figuring out. Then, clearly Yankee

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Speaker 1: Stadium's got sponsors, Live Nations got sponsors. Nobody made no

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Speaker 1: money off of it. It was just to pay for

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Speaker 1: the event and to get everybody there and have a

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Speaker 1: nice production. So let's pig you up, rob Man.

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Speaker 3: Let you know.

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Speaker 4: You are to the coach and we want to give

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Speaker 4: your flowers. Man, face to face man, a man, tell

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Speaker 4: you how great you are.

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Speaker 3: Man. We know what you did for us, for the coaching,

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Speaker 3: for everybody.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 3: If it wasn't for you, it wouldn't be us.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 4: So we want you to the salute you man, face

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Speaker 4: to face man, the man. They told me you got

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Speaker 4: to fight the catch. You know what I'm saying.

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