1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:01,639 Speaker 1: And welcome to the latest and nition, a big blue 2 00:00:01,720 --> 00:00:03,680 Speaker 1: kick off live here on giants dot com. He is 3 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 1: Jeff Feagles, I'm Lance Metal. Good to be with you. 4 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:08,680 Speaker 1: With you in the next sixty minutes two one four, five, 5 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:12,240 Speaker 1: one three. It's the telephone number hashtag Giants Chat on Twitter. 6 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: We'll get to your phone calls, get to your tweets 7 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:17,800 Speaker 1: along the way. So mandatory minicamp is underway day one. 8 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:19,919 Speaker 1: In the books, a few players spoke to the media 9 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:21,599 Speaker 1: will recap some of the things that were brought to 10 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:24,439 Speaker 1: the forefront. Giants also out of practice earlier today. They'll 11 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 1: have two more days of minicamp before they break. And 12 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: there's obviously no physicality to these practices, there's no pads. 13 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: But you know, this is the last opportunity, Jeff, for 14 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:37,559 Speaker 1: this group to continue to gain some continuity before they 15 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 1: break for a good six weeks. Yeah, and and really, 16 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 1: when you look at the mini caamp, it's just a 17 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:45,240 Speaker 1: really a glorified O t A. But it's mandatory. You 18 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:48,319 Speaker 1: gotta be here. Um really that I mean you think 19 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 1: that everybody would you know, third team was out there today, 20 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 1: So I think that was a big thing. Everybody was 21 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 1: that wasn't gonna show up whatever, but he was there. Um, 22 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 1: you know around the league, there's some other people that 23 00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 1: aren't showing up for these mandatory minuticamps. But to your point, it's, uh, 24 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 1: you know, O t A s and are everything is 25 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:07,399 Speaker 1: installed and but mini camp is kind of a little 26 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 1: more upmore tempo. There's not a lot of teaching that goes. 27 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 1: There is some teaching, but not as much as the 28 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:14,399 Speaker 1: O t as and so they put these uh these 29 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 1: scripted plays in during practice and they go through and 30 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:19,680 Speaker 1: and it's an evaluation process, you know, because this is 31 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 1: the last one before they get to that training camp 32 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 1: roster and they start to move forward. You mentioned Odell 33 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 1: Beckham was there. He's not taking part in any team drills. 34 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 1: He's basically doing individual work and some work on the side. 35 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:33,480 Speaker 1: He was actually fielding some punts with the group that 36 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 1: they're testing out. And there's a number of players in 37 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 1: the mix as they're trying to determine who's going to 38 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: be the X factor on special teams along with kickoff, 39 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:42,960 Speaker 1: so that I think was encouraging to see. And the 40 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 1: quarterbacks rotated as we've seen them do in O t 41 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: A S. A number of wide receivers. The young guys 42 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 1: are continuing to get work, which is obviously a huge 43 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 1: storyline as we enter training camp, Jeff, because you know, 44 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 1: beyond Sterling Shepard and Oldell Beckham, there's plenty of opportunities 45 00:01:57,280 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 1: here with respect to this receiving corps. Whether it be 46 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: a Roger Lewis is looky to solidify his job as 47 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 1: well as it Travis Rootolf or you know some of 48 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: the new faces like Cody Latimer. All three of those 49 00:02:06,320 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 1: guys have something to prove. Number One, they need to 50 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 1: play better on special teams because that's how they're gonna 51 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:13,799 Speaker 1: make the team. That will be the difference. Um, it's 52 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 1: a broken record, we say it every year, but if 53 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:17,800 Speaker 1: you're not, you know, if you're that fourth, fifth, and 54 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 1: sixth receiver, possibly your job is going to be special 55 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:24,960 Speaker 1: teams first and then be a role special or receiver. 56 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 1: Other than that, you better getting getting the playbook and 57 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 1: understand you gotta run down on kickoffs, you gotta return punts, 58 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:33,080 Speaker 1: whatever it is. You gotta get better. Um, and I 59 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 1: think the core uh Ladimir is a guy that can 60 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:38,360 Speaker 1: make this team because of his special teams play. If 61 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 1: you look at what he did at Denver. He did 62 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 1: it very well, and I think that's one of the 63 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: reasons why they brought him in. Um Tyke tiber there, 64 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:49,519 Speaker 1: especially the receivers coach for Denver now with the Giants, 65 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:52,079 Speaker 1: has some relationship with him and some experience, so I'm 66 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 1: sure he's told the staff here that hey, this guy 67 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: can play special teams and not only that, he can 68 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 1: catch some football. So and speaking of the receiving corps, 69 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 1: the one other thing notable about Oldell Beckham Jeff he 70 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 1: obviously was there, he was president. But Pat Sherman, when 71 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 1: he spoke to the media today said he's been cleared. 72 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 1: Now to what degree he's been cleared, you can read 73 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 1: between the lines, but he's at the point where he 74 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:14,919 Speaker 1: can continue to move forward and take party. I think 75 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 1: you I mean, there there's a hurdle, and now that 76 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 1: hurdle has been met and or you know, and he's done. 77 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:22,079 Speaker 1: So now he's been cleared to practice, and now it's 78 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 1: a it's a it's up to how the team and 79 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:27,119 Speaker 1: the medical staff want to address how he's going to practice. 80 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:29,360 Speaker 1: You mentioned he was catching punts and he was running 81 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:31,919 Speaker 1: rouse I saw him, you know, an individual drills, running 82 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: running full speed, In fact, he he ran. He was playing. 83 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:36,720 Speaker 1: He was playing the X on one side, and then 84 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 1: he came over and played the Z on another. He 85 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: played the slot. He was running around. He's very active today, 86 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 1: which that doesn't That doesn't surprise me. It shouldn't surprise 87 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: anybody because Odell Beckham is not a guy that comes 88 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: out to the practice field and takes the days off. 89 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: He's a heck of a practice player. He goes out 90 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 1: there and works his butt off, which is great to see. 91 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 1: With all the other stuff that goes along with it, 92 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 1: you kind of like, you know, you can't you can't 93 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 1: slight him for not practice. Seem good and fast and 94 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: well like he does, and it was nice to see 95 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 1: him out there today. Now on the flip side, Snacks 96 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:08,520 Speaker 1: and alec Ogletree both spoke to the media about how 97 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 1: the defense is coming along. Snack stroke that he's waiting 98 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 1: to hit stake Kwon Barkley once the pets go on 99 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:16,840 Speaker 1: so that he can remind stake Kun he's not a 100 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 1: penn State anymore. That was little Let's do me a favorite, Snacks, 101 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 1: do me a favorite. Hit him, but just pop him 102 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 1: a little bit, but please just don't hurt him. Please 103 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 1: don't hurt him, right, Um, And that's a little there's 104 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:34,280 Speaker 1: obviously some sarcasm that goes along with that, but um, 105 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:37,359 Speaker 1: you know, he he continues to impress me. I was 106 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 1: watching him today and he's like a little kid out there. 107 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 1: I mean I saw him, he was what did he do? 108 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:46,160 Speaker 1: He bounced, He bounced the football off his head a 109 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:48,559 Speaker 1: couple of times, and then it when at the second 110 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 1: time it came down, he tried to punt it out 111 00:04:50,360 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 1: of the air, trying to be old Deell Beckham. So 112 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 1: I think that he's having fun and he's gonna have 113 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 1: a lot of fun making linebackers and safeties miss him 114 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 1: when he's there trying and to tackle him. Because I 115 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 1: saw some moves out there today is really impressive. But 116 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 1: you know, just just him, the passion he has, and 117 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 1: really when we talk about football, you hear it all 118 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 1: the time, how you just want to go out there 119 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 1: and have fun. He's gonna do that, and he has 120 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 1: the ability in the talent to have fun on the 121 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:17,720 Speaker 1: NFL football field the way he wants to do it, 122 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 1: It's gonna be great to watch. And the other thing 123 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:21,920 Speaker 1: that was interesting that he pointed out because now obviously 124 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:24,039 Speaker 1: the Giants are going to a three four defense, Jeff. 125 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: And you know, people forget Snacks started his career in 126 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:28,720 Speaker 1: at three or four defense with the Jets, So this 127 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:31,600 Speaker 1: is not necessarily, oh my god, a huge joshment period. 128 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:35,119 Speaker 1: But he mentioned for the interior guys on the defensive line, 129 00:05:35,240 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 1: things don't drastically change between one or two day. Yeah, 130 00:05:39,200 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 1: it's not a big deal. Um. The bigger changes the 131 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:45,480 Speaker 1: outside linebackers and the and the you know, now you have, um, 132 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: four of those instead of three of them. And the 133 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: fact is that the schemes change and and coach Betcher 134 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 1: is going to have all kinds of different Um, they're 135 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:56,920 Speaker 1: gonna be a nickel a lot because the way that 136 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 1: the league is set up nowadays with those three three 137 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 1: wide seever has been in the game, you need an 138 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:04,160 Speaker 1: extra guy, whether it's a you know, a fast linebacker 139 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 1: or you bring in one of those other corners and 140 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:09,160 Speaker 1: another safety whatever it is. Um. But you know, I 141 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 1: think that coach shermer Is is trying to over emphasize 142 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 1: the fact that this team is trying to find those 143 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:17,039 Speaker 1: football players that want to play football, that want to 144 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 1: come out here and work, they want to be good, 145 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:21,280 Speaker 1: and that want to be part of this team. And 146 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:24,919 Speaker 1: I think through the evaluation between now what's come up 147 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:27,119 Speaker 1: to this point, and then when these guys go away 148 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 1: after on whenever it ends on Thursday, I guess you 149 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 1: have that little five week break and when you come back, 150 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:35,279 Speaker 1: you gotta get ready to play. And you because training 151 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:37,840 Speaker 1: camp nowadays, there's only so many practices and there's so 152 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 1: many evaluation time. So you know, you look at this 153 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 1: roster being ninety guys, I think we all can sit 154 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 1: down and conceive what we come up with. I would 155 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 1: imagine at least a forty five that are going to 156 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 1: be on the roster. In my opinion, it's pretty It's 157 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: pretty easy that way. But if you're one of those 158 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:53,919 Speaker 1: eight guys and nobody believes in you, this is the 159 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 1: time you can shine. And there are a lot of 160 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:57,599 Speaker 1: guys that come to many camp that don't make it 161 00:06:57,640 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 1: to training camp lands. There's a lot of guys that 162 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:02,479 Speaker 1: come out here they you know this is and vice versa. 163 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 1: There's some guys that coming to minicamp that you know 164 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 1: that the team is thinking now they're not going to 165 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:09,040 Speaker 1: make it the training camp, but they do well against here. 166 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: They do the evaluation, it goes well, and then they're 167 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 1: invited into training camp so well, and they've already made 168 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 1: a few roster moves over the last few days in 169 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:18,559 Speaker 1: terms of making some tweaks. So what you just said 170 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 1: has been laid out to perfection by the giants that 171 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 1: they're always looking to add depth and they're always looking 172 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 1: to make tweaks, because just because your roster looks like 173 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 1: this today doesn't mean it's gonna be the same at 174 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 1: the end of July when training camp s don't know. 175 00:07:30,440 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 1: And I think that the purpose behind uh, the organization 176 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 1: and the scouting department and the personnel is to try 177 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 1: to get those ninety guys okay coming out of this 178 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 1: mini camp. These are your guys, because everybody goes away 179 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 1: and now there's no longer a chance to be other 180 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 1: than if you bring them in and work them out. 181 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:48,680 Speaker 1: But you know there's vacations, there's guys that you know 182 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: this is the league goes on a hiatus for five 183 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 1: for five weeks basically, and these coaches they need that 184 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 1: because you know, they're working nine hours a day and 185 00:07:57,280 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: they're they're working their butts off all year run, except 186 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 1: this five weeks off for there they get to go 187 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 1: out there with their families and go on vacations, fishing, 188 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 1: whatever it is, get their mind off of football, because 189 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: once it gets back, man, it's a grind. Yeah, it is. Indeed, 190 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:15,960 Speaker 1: I took the words right, I mean, and it's really uh. 191 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 1: For as long as I was in the NFL and 192 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 1: and realizing how much work these guys did, it's just 193 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 1: amazing to me that they would get into the building 194 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 1: at seven o'clock, six thirty in the morning sometimes and 195 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: then not leave until ten eleven o'clock at night. Is like, 196 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 1: you know, where's your families? And that's just something they 197 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 1: have to give up for the game. Well, that's why 198 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 1: it's very rare that you see a lot of star 199 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:40,200 Speaker 1: NFL players go on to be coming. I get it 200 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 1: all the time, Like I'll be at a golf tournament, 201 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 1: you know, we'll be we'll be on the course and 202 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:46,320 Speaker 1: the force and will be like a law only action whatever, 203 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 1: and and one of them will say, so, Jeff, so 204 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 1: what are you doing these days? And like tell him, well, 205 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 1: did you do you ever want to get into coaching? 206 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: And I'm like, no, I really didn't, unless you you know, 207 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 1: I didn't really want to work. Yeah, I want to 208 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 1: have a life. Yeah. I want to, you know, want 209 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:01,680 Speaker 1: to be able to come home and you know and 210 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 1: actually say hi to my wife and she's awake, and 211 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 1: see my kids when they're awake. For God's sakes. Yeah, 212 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: coaching is a bit of a route awakening. Yeah. And 213 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 1: but these coaches, you know, they're just they they're their 214 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:15,559 Speaker 1: teachers or what they are. They're they're glorified teachers. And 215 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:18,680 Speaker 1: they're you know, they're football coaches. But the successful ones, 216 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 1: what makes them so good is how they can teach 217 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 1: the game and how they can identify the young guys 218 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 1: were that what they need to work on and some 219 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 1: of their skill sets and make them better. It just 220 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 1: comes down to them being great teachers of men. Choose 221 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: are one five one three is the telephone number? Hashtag 222 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 1: giants chat on Twitter. Let's open up the phone lines, 223 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 1: everything up for conversation. Edward is in North Carolina. Edward, 224 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:48,559 Speaker 1: what's happening? Yeah? Hold on, do yep? What do you got? First? 225 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:51,000 Speaker 1: I just want to say the first thing I want 226 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 1: to say is my heart goes out today, goodleman, and 227 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 1: as in my heart and my prayers, thank you. The 228 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 1: comments that I wanted to make is since we got 229 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:05,320 Speaker 1: Dave Gettleman and Past Sherman. I think the biggest thing 230 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:08,199 Speaker 1: that we could derive from everything that's going on is 231 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: having an open line of communication with all the players. 232 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:19,600 Speaker 1: It seems like Past Shermer has garnered much attention, and 233 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 1: rightfully so, for being able to communicate with these players 234 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: and get them all on the same page, um, case 235 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 1: in point or Dell Beckham Jr. Being one of them, 236 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 1: you know, And I'm not gonna make much about Ben McAdoo. Um, 237 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:40,719 Speaker 1: I think he gets you know, rightfully so some negative attention, um, 238 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 1: but there was some good things that did. I mean, 239 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 1: eleven going eleven and five was not a fluke. You know. 240 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:50,719 Speaker 1: You have to give the man some credit for that. 241 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: But I believe once we hired Dave Gettleman, everything changed, 242 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:59,320 Speaker 1: and everything changed for the better. I believe in all 243 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 1: the coaches that we have way more confident than the 244 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 1: coaches that we had prior. I think they have the 245 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 1: ability to teach and to get these guys on the 246 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 1: same page. Now, I wanted to know some something about 247 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 1: the offensive line. How does it I know that there's 248 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 1: no context, um, no contact on these uh these these 249 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 1: ok A, what does the offensive line look. And how 250 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 1: does the defensive line from yes standpoint, what players are 251 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 1: they putting in there on the defensive line that look, 252 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 1: you know, way better than what it did last year. Now, 253 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:42,199 Speaker 1: I know we lost Jpp, you know, so now we're 254 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:44,040 Speaker 1: not getting that eight and a half sacks that we've 255 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 1: got last year. But how does that defensive line, that 256 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 1: defensive front look in the three or fourth defense? And 257 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:56,079 Speaker 1: how does that translate into games coming into the season. 258 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 1: I mean, if you could garner anything from what you've 259 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 1: seen from from the open you know, bot A to 260 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:08,959 Speaker 1: the media and what you guys have seen. And now 261 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 1: Pat Sherman made a difference. How big of a difference 262 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 1: has Pat Sherman made with his open line of communication 263 00:12:17,840 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 1: and his ability to translate what he needs and what 264 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 1: he wants two teammates, especially old Dell Beckham Jr. And 265 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 1: I'll take that off the line, all right, Andward appreciate 266 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:28,560 Speaker 1: the phone call. We could start with the offensive line 267 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 1: of the defensive line. And I mean, I think the 268 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 1: caller here right on the nose. There's only so much, 269 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 1: Jeff that you could take away to say, Wow, I mean, 270 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 1: it's night and day from last year when there's no 271 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 1: contact in practice. I think to me, the biggest takeaway 272 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 1: from the offensive line standpoint Jeff is we're seeing Pat 273 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 1: Shermer rotate guys in and out. He's just trying to 274 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 1: get a look at different alignments in terms of specifically 275 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 1: at the center position, where we've seen Hallapeo and Jones 276 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 1: go in and out, and Halapio is actually working with 277 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:01,960 Speaker 1: the first team as opposed to Brett Jones, So that 278 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 1: I think is interesting and I don't think there's anything 279 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:05,959 Speaker 1: to read too much into that. I just think it's 280 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 1: a sign this is the time where, you know, let's 281 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 1: get guys comfortable in various spots so that when we 282 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 1: put the pads on in training camp it's not all 283 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 1: of a sudden baptism by fire. They'll have a feel 284 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:17,839 Speaker 1: for that. And the reason why I say that for 285 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:20,880 Speaker 1: a guy like Hallapeo is Hallapeo is mainly a guard 286 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 1: in college. He didn't play. This is really jes has 287 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:28,680 Speaker 1: a lot more experience being with the giants, So that 288 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:30,840 Speaker 1: to me is the biggest takeaway just seeing where guys 289 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 1: have lined up. Her nandez oh Moam may have been 290 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:35,679 Speaker 1: in the mix in terms of the guard spots, and 291 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 1: obviously We've seen Eric Flowers move over to right. They're 292 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 1: just getting comfortable in the different alignments that they're thrown 293 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 1: out there in practice. But I mean to make a 294 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 1: bold declaration that, boy, it's ten times different than where 295 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:50,839 Speaker 1: the two thousand seventeen season left off. I think it's 296 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 1: going too far. All you can do at this point 297 00:13:53,240 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 1: is no on paper. I think they have more depth 298 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 1: right now than they had at this point last year 299 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 1: going into the season, which was important to do obviously 300 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 1: because you ran into problem. But you know, any time 301 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 1: that you are in a situation in football where there 302 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 1: are no pads on and there's rules about hitting and stuff, 303 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 1: the defense will win every time, Okay, pretty much every time, 304 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 1: because you know, they're the guys that can pretty much 305 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:18,719 Speaker 1: bull rush and use their hands and things like that, 306 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 1: and so the lineman can't use any offensive lineman can't 307 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 1: use any of their nastiness, They can't get in and 308 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 1: do some of their tricks that they normally would like 309 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 1: to do when they're blocking. So you're gonna see it 310 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 1: look like the defense is is man handling the offense 311 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 1: at times. But I think right now what Land said 312 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 1: is that, um, the landscape of the offensive line is 313 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 1: like putting little pieces together and building it and having 314 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 1: confidence that you know that UM, X, Y and Z 315 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 1: will play this position and you know if if we 316 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 1: had to move them around, that's that's what we can do, 317 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 1: and we're evaluating them UM to be able to do 318 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 1: that as part of the process knowing that, uh, you know, 319 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 1: a center can play guard and a guard can play center. UM. 320 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:00,120 Speaker 1: I don't think it's still necessary that the center or 321 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 1: can play right or left tackle, but I think that 322 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 1: those the inside guys have to be able, interchangeable, and 323 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 1: I think that when you have your building your roster, 324 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 1: you gotta have guys that you know they can do that, 325 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 1: and you build that through depth. And I think that's 326 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 1: what you said did makes sense. They've got a lot 327 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 1: the most depth if it had before. But um, I 328 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 1: think the real the big thing on defense is that 329 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 1: James Betcher is known for his his defensive fronts and 330 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 1: not being a straight three four all the time. It's 331 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 1: gonna be different. It's not gonna be that three four. 332 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 1: It's gonna be maybe six and the rest of it's 333 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 1: gonna be a four three or it's gonna be you know, 334 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 1: the nickel dime packages de throws stuff in there constantly 335 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 1: to be able to try to get after the quarterback 336 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 1: that his his his defense is designed to get after 337 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 1: the quarterback from a three four scenario. And you're gonna 338 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 1: have to see how Ovie and Kareem Martin are the 339 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 1: guys that are gonna be on that outside. But I 340 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 1: wonder I will tell you one thing you're gonna like 341 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 1: to see. There's a lot of blitzing from this these packages. 342 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 1: They come from everywhere defense. And you know, with me 343 00:15:57,720 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 1: speaking with James Betcher, I've gotten to know him a 344 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 1: little a bit over this last the off season, and 345 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 1: I think one thing that comes from from his defense 346 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 1: that he commands is smartness and and having the the 347 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 1: the acumen from the i Q of a football player, 348 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 1: and knowing where to be and not to be out 349 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 1: of position. And when the scheme works, it works if 350 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 1: you're smart about it. If you've got guys in there, 351 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 1: they're out of position, they're not gonna be where they're 352 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 1: supposed to be, You're gonna get gashed. You're gonna get 353 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 1: gashed in this system. And but you have to be 354 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 1: smartness Why they went out and got good experienced football players. 355 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 1: Ogil Tree and Karie Martin are two veteran football guys. 356 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 1: Okay um, and both of them you know, well, well, 357 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 1: Ogo Tree didn't come from his system, but Kareie Martin did. 358 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 1: But I asked him about Ogil Tree. He says, well, 359 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 1: I gotta tell you. I got tired of seeing him 360 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 1: twice a year for four years when he played with 361 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 1: the l A. I say, l A, can you believe 362 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 1: I said, l A, that's pretty darn good. Right, Well, 363 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 1: you could have went with the Rams and that might 364 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 1: be the safe, best, easier, so um. But you know, 365 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 1: those are the answer the questions for the caller. I 366 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 1: think those are some things that you're gonna look at, 367 00:17:03,600 --> 00:17:06,399 Speaker 1: but nothing that's going to be able to to be 368 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 1: told until they get these pads on and they can 369 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 1: start playing football. And I know that the coaches cannot 370 00:17:11,119 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 1: wait for that because they're tired of this type of football. 371 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:16,359 Speaker 1: You really are. Yeah, there's only so many times you 372 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 1: want to be able to hit somebody and you want 373 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:22,199 Speaker 1: to be able to show your physicality. Actually, based on 374 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 1: what you were laying out, Jeff, I would say, you know, 375 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:29,239 Speaker 1: to answer the Cohler's question, probably the biggest takeaway at 376 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 1: this point of the year is what's going on in 377 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 1: the classroom, no question, and we're not seeing that. But 378 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:37,679 Speaker 1: to me is the most important aspect on offense and 379 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:40,119 Speaker 1: defense specifically with both of the lines. And we and 380 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:42,680 Speaker 1: we don't know, we don't know what like obviously what's 381 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:45,400 Speaker 1: being tolder and taught in the classroom and how it's 382 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:48,159 Speaker 1: carrying over to the field. I mean the evaluation. We 383 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 1: don't know about that. That you know when when the 384 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:53,440 Speaker 1: when the practice is over and they go in as 385 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 1: a staff and look at the game, at the practice 386 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 1: knowing that they installed this part of the offense and 387 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:02,120 Speaker 1: this defense, it's earlier in the day, and now these 388 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:04,160 Speaker 1: guys are on the field and they're screwing it up. 389 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 1: That's not good. And so from a player's perspective, you 390 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 1: can't do that. That's where their retention. That's how the 391 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 1: evaluation of Lance. This is where we're gonna run today. 392 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 1: Can you run it? Yes? Okay, you go on the field, 393 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:18,680 Speaker 1: did you run it? And no, Lance, what are you doing? 394 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:21,360 Speaker 1: It's not translating over to the field. And that's when 395 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:23,439 Speaker 1: these guys don't make the football team. And that's what 396 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 1: I meant about being smart and how unable to to 397 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:28,040 Speaker 1: apply what the coaches are telling you, take it out 398 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 1: on the field and play it and then be good 399 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 1: at it. And that's a huge part of the evaluation 400 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 1: at this time of the year. It's huge. That's why 401 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 1: we've seen some roster changes because they're looking at some 402 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 1: of these young guys and they're like, all right, hey, 403 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 1: we're implementing this aspect, this facet of the offense today 404 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:44,119 Speaker 1: and then we want to see you go out and 405 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 1: execute it to your point, Jeff on the field. It's 406 00:18:46,560 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 1: and it's you know, it all goes back to the 407 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 1: evaluation coming out of college when when that's where that 408 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 1: takes so long for this stupid draft to get going 409 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:56,399 Speaker 1: because they have so many people to evaluate and and 410 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 1: part of the process is that wonder like test or 411 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 1: you know, some of the stuff that they put them 412 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 1: through a combine or they that's why they the quarterback position. 413 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:07,199 Speaker 1: They talk about the white board test. You know, they 414 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:08,879 Speaker 1: get these guys in these rooms and they threw up 415 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 1: these defenses and they threw up these offenses and want 416 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:12,680 Speaker 1: you to do, what are you gonna do in this situation? 417 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:15,119 Speaker 1: And can you read this coverage and you know X, 418 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 1: y Z, this this and this you know, before you're 419 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:20,479 Speaker 1: gonna give this guy million dollars, you want to make 420 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:22,680 Speaker 1: sure that he can understand what you're gonna be applying. 421 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 1: Now that's on an extreme case because of the quarterback, 422 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 1: but you know, when when it gets watered down a 423 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:30,479 Speaker 1: little bit, even to the defensive side, defense is easier 424 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:32,159 Speaker 1: to play than offense. I can tell you that from 425 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 1: a schematic and from a playbooks perspective, because defense is defense. 426 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 1: You're just defending an offense and running certain stuff. But offensively, 427 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 1: you are game planning around a defense. And things change 428 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 1: every week, you know, So you don't want to give 429 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 1: up your signals, you don't want to give up your tendencies. 430 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:50,359 Speaker 1: You don't want to give up anything that's gonna give 431 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:53,360 Speaker 1: an advantage to the team next week. So you change 432 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 1: up things, and that's where there's mistakes, and so you 433 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:59,399 Speaker 1: gotta have guys that are smart choose your one one 434 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 1: three is to tell phone number of hashtag giants chat. 435 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 1: The other aspect of the question that the caller laid 436 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 1: out was how is Shermer and his vision and his 437 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:12,560 Speaker 1: advice transferring over to the players in what we're seeing 438 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:14,640 Speaker 1: on the field. Well, this is the one thing though, 439 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 1: I think we've got to be cautious of when we 440 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:19,679 Speaker 1: make comparisons between Ben McAdoo and Pat Shermer. Jeff, the 441 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 1: roster has turned over as well. It's not as if 442 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 1: Pat Shermer has inherited the entire two thousand seventeen rosters. 443 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 1: So I guess my point is sometimes when teams don't 444 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:35,399 Speaker 1: work out, to just say it's the coaching staff, I 445 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:37,399 Speaker 1: think it's a little misleading. I think the players deserve 446 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 1: responsibility as well. So he's also advising now a lot 447 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 1: of new faces, a lot of new personalities that Ben 448 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:47,199 Speaker 1: McAdoo didn't even have to deal with, So that's a 449 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 1: big part of when you're making the comparison. You have 450 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:51,880 Speaker 1: to take that into consideration. I think the one thing 451 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 1: that he's emphasized when he has talked with the media 452 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 1: is he is very open with his players, and he's 453 00:20:57,080 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 1: also even Keel Rhet Ellison, to me, pro did the 454 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:03,119 Speaker 1: most inside Jeff because Ellison was actually with Pat Shermer 455 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 1: in Minnesota when Sherman was the tight ends coach, then 456 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:08,920 Speaker 1: he moved up to offensive coordinator, and now he's seeing 457 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:11,200 Speaker 1: him as a head coach, and he says that through 458 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:15,440 Speaker 1: seeing him in all three different labels, all three different positions. 459 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 1: It's it's been a straight line. Shermer doesn't go up 460 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 1: and down. He'll treat you the same when he's the 461 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 1: tight ends coach as he is when he's the head coach. 462 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:26,440 Speaker 1: So you know, that, to me was a notable statement. 463 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:30,040 Speaker 1: And it just seems as if he's very involved and 464 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 1: passionate about getting to know his players as opposed to 465 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,400 Speaker 1: all of a sudden telling you every single different facet 466 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 1: from an XS and O stampoint. He wants to know 467 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 1: the guys before he starts to now get dig digging 468 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,920 Speaker 1: deep into everything that is going to have them so 469 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:49,120 Speaker 1: involved in what they're doing come to start a training camp, well, 470 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 1: I think it's it's it's a feeling our process. And 471 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 1: and when you're dealing with fifty three guys during the 472 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 1: regular season, they're dealing with fifty three different personalities and 473 00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 1: you're dealing with different types of people, And I think 474 00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 1: there is a coach head coach. You've got to understand 475 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:07,919 Speaker 1: your players, and you've got to understand how to communicate 476 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:09,520 Speaker 1: with them, and the first part of that is getting 477 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:12,160 Speaker 1: to know them. So if any of you have kids 478 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:15,359 Speaker 1: out there, you know that. You know, I afford four boys. 479 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 1: Every one of them is different. You know, I can 480 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 1: say one thing to one of them, but I could 481 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:21,359 Speaker 1: never say it the way I did to that guy 482 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:23,120 Speaker 1: the same way I could do it to my other 483 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 1: one or the other boys. So it's the same thing 484 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 1: with fifty three men on this roster. And Dave Gentleman 485 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:30,680 Speaker 1: said it. You know, I want somebody that will coach men, 486 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 1: that that teaches them football. And and so that's part 487 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 1: of the m O as a head coach, no matter 488 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 1: who it is, is getting to know those roster And 489 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:41,920 Speaker 1: this is what he does he I mean, I don't 490 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:43,879 Speaker 1: know for sure, but I would imagine that he has 491 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:45,880 Speaker 1: had a short little stay with each one of these 492 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:48,919 Speaker 1: players in his office or even at lunch or in 493 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:52,080 Speaker 1: the locker room, trying to get an idea of the personality. 494 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:55,399 Speaker 1: Tap type. You know that disc profile in business to 495 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 1: use a d I s C. Which is a you know, 496 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:00,639 Speaker 1: getting fancy, well you do, and it's and they hired 497 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 1: And because if I'm if I'm looking for a receptionist 498 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 1: and and I'm looking for somebody then in this profile 499 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:09,200 Speaker 1: that fits it, um, and I'm gonna hire the wrong person. 500 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 1: It's not gonna be a good receptionist. This job requires 501 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 1: this type of personality type and if I hire somebody 502 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 1: without it, you know. So, in other words, a receiver 503 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 1: is the guy that you know. Maybe this guy on 504 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 1: the team is not one of the guys that you 505 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 1: can yell at and screaming because he's gonna take it 506 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,719 Speaker 1: personally and it's gonna ruin him. So you gotta understand 507 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 1: how to get a but absolutely you have. And so 508 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 1: his his whole demeanor right now and trying to do 509 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 1: is trying to figure out and get to know every 510 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 1: one of these guys in the football team so that 511 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 1: he can relate to these people or their coaches can 512 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:42,359 Speaker 1: relate to him. He might have to go to the 513 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:45,119 Speaker 1: position coach and say, hey, listen, Tyke Tolbert, I'd need 514 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 1: you to talk to uh Cody Latimir. Okay, you've been 515 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:50,399 Speaker 1: with him before, you know him personally. I need to 516 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 1: get more out of him. How do I do it? There? 517 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 1: You go, I got to know the guy and kind 518 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 1: of understand how I can address it. Well. I mean 519 00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 1: that's a huge part of coaching everybody is part of 520 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 1: understanding the offense and the defense. You gotta be able 521 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 1: to manage people and manage personality. And that's why if 522 00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 1: you ever ask a coach to who has been retired, 523 00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:08,920 Speaker 1: has been in the league for a long time, these 524 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,400 Speaker 1: guys got member that they know their players, like, hey, 525 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,920 Speaker 1: remember you did you have a guy in played? Oh yeah, 526 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 1: what a great kid. You know, had a great family. 527 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,919 Speaker 1: You know his mom. They know these guys. That's the 528 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 1: whole thing, because you have to take the time to 529 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,560 Speaker 1: study up and get to know the player, and not 530 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,639 Speaker 1: to mention that you gotta also then then the time 531 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 1: comes in to run your football team. You know, installed 532 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:33,399 Speaker 1: plays and you know and and and come in and 533 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 1: try to you know, put schemes together and those kinds 534 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,119 Speaker 1: of things. So not only does the head coach manage 535 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 1: the football team, manage his coaches too, and then everything 536 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 1: off the field. Choose one is the telephone number? Yes, 537 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 1: the heavy lifting hashtag giants chat on Twitter. You can't 538 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 1: get to the phones, feel free to chime in on 539 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 1: the conversation via Twitter. Will certainly get the dialogue going 540 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,960 Speaker 1: on both fronts. So this comes from elaying a three 541 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,879 Speaker 1: one seven, three, three seven nine one not certainly a 542 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 1: lot of numbers there. What's your opinion on the new signing. So, 543 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 1: the one notable one that they made today, Jeff, is 544 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 1: they signed tight end Scott Simonson. And the reason why 545 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,879 Speaker 1: he's notable is he's got a Carolina Panthers connection. Last 546 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 1: year he spent the entire season on i R. But 547 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 1: this is not the first player that we've seen Dave 548 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,879 Speaker 1: Gettleman bring in who he has some familiarity to or 549 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 1: has some ties to. He did the same thing a 550 00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:27,360 Speaker 1: few weeks ago with Russell Sheppard, who did not have 551 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 1: a large sample size in Carolina, but there was enough 552 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,119 Speaker 1: upside that he saw that said, hey, you know what, 553 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:34,920 Speaker 1: let's bring him into the Giants mix. Let's see what 554 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 1: we get out of him and training camp. It just 555 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 1: goes on what we just said, Okay, history, Uh, they've 556 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:43,879 Speaker 1: had time with them. They understand the type of player, 557 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 1: type of personality, type of work ethic, all that kind 558 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 1: of stuff. UM opposed to you know, this guy, Scott Simonson. 559 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 1: You know, the Eagles may not know as much about 560 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:57,119 Speaker 1: this guy as the Giants do because it's all about relationships. 561 00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 1: Not only that, but he was he drafted by them. 562 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:04,640 Speaker 1: Let's see here. I do not believe Carolina drafted him 563 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 1: he had one start for both Oakland and Carolina free 564 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,879 Speaker 1: rookie free agent rookie free with the Raiders at two thousands. 565 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 1: But still, if you're a rookie free agent and you're 566 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 1: in you're in O T A s and you're in 567 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:19,359 Speaker 1: mini camps, that's a long time they get to know you, okay, 568 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 1: and um, Unfortunately he was behind pretty good player there 569 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 1: as a tight end, you know, and some other guys too, 570 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,119 Speaker 1: but that there you go. So it's a familiarity with 571 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 1: the players that are around the league, even though they 572 00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 1: were with other teams and people you know, switch up, 573 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:35,920 Speaker 1: Dave comes here and knows this guy, and man, there 574 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:39,200 Speaker 1: you go. Well, and it's no surprise that they've been 575 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,679 Speaker 1: focusing on this position because and we've talked about it 576 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 1: a lot on this show, Jeff, after Ivan Ingram and 577 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 1: after Red Ellison to me, I don't think anybody's a lot. 578 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:52,920 Speaker 1: Kyle Carter at familiarity with Pat Sherman Minnesota. Ryan O'Malley 579 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:54,920 Speaker 1: is a young up and coming tight end. Darrell Adams 580 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,040 Speaker 1: has been on the roster a few seasons, but this 581 00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 1: is a new regime now. Adams has absolutely no ties 582 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 1: to any of these guys. He wasn't drafted by this group, 583 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,360 Speaker 1: and now you see a guy like Scott Simons had 584 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,680 Speaker 1: come in. So I mean, you can basically flip a coin. 585 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:08,959 Speaker 1: Nobody to me has a significant edge on anybody at 586 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:12,399 Speaker 1: this point when you're talking about three four five in 587 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,440 Speaker 1: the battling of the positions on the back end of 588 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:15,919 Speaker 1: the tight end depth charge, and I think they're going 589 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 1: to carry in this system, they'll carry three Um and 590 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 1: you know you know who the two are going to be. 591 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 1: Um and Shane Smith, by the way, should be in 592 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 1: this group as well as the full back slash tight 593 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 1: end that he's listed as a tight end. He's listed 594 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 1: as a tight end, and I think that I don't 595 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,080 Speaker 1: know if that if that has not changed, because that's 596 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 1: what he was listed as a tight end last year, right, Yeah, 597 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 1: so they made him a tight end from what they 598 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 1: made he was a fullback, but they made him a 599 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 1: tight end classified him that way. So maybe they haven't 600 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 1: because I know that hearing Pat Shermert speak, he likes 601 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 1: the idea of having a fullback in this offense. So 602 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 1: whether you call him that or not, it doesn't matter. 603 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:54,159 Speaker 1: It's just he just cares about making the fifty What 604 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:55,880 Speaker 1: it does matter is when we when we do our 605 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 1: fifty three player breakdown, the position breakdowns, do we put 606 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:04,119 Speaker 1: him as a do you know so? Well, it's the 607 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,520 Speaker 1: same thing Jeff with red Ellison. Red Ellison's a guy 608 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 1: that's a fullback slash tight end. So there's players that 609 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:11,880 Speaker 1: fall into those. I think there should be, like there's 610 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 1: two two categories for the tight ends. Now when you 611 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,239 Speaker 1: look at Evan Ingram, he yeah he's a tight end, 612 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,680 Speaker 1: but he's really a receiver. Okay, red Ellison and um, 613 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:23,439 Speaker 1: and then you know who forever Scott's Simonson, whoever is 614 00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 1: Shane Smith? Excuse me? He's a tight end fullback. Those 615 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 1: two guys are tight end fullback. So, um, well, you 616 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 1: need versatility on the roster. So the more you can do, 617 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 1: the better you are. That's why if you're Shane Smith, 618 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:38,959 Speaker 1: you're saying to yourself, Okay, wow, they brought in a 619 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 1: lot of tight ends, right, but I can actually play 620 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 1: fullback as opposed to maybe Girell Adams. They're just comfortable 621 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 1: saying he can only be a tight end. Well, I 622 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 1: think I remember hearing last year where um, I don't 623 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 1: know if it was red Ellison or it was Shane. 624 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 1: They were, you know, back and forth in the meeting 625 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,040 Speaker 1: rooms because the different position groups. So they would spend 626 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 1: like the running back, say, with the running backs and 627 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 1: Thursdays with the tight ends and and defensive players are 628 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 1: gonna be doing the same thing this year, Jeff, because 629 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 1: the pass rushers are gonna be with the linebackers slash 630 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 1: defensive lineman. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that's just a give. 631 00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 1: On Thursday is usually pass rush day where they put 632 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 1: the group together, but then the other days of the 633 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:20,840 Speaker 1: week they are going to have them separate, separated for 634 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,960 Speaker 1: the most part. So I think offensive defense can relate 635 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,960 Speaker 1: when it comes to this roster, given how players are 636 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 1: classified differently and so forth. Let's head back to the 637 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 1: phone lines at two zero, one, five one three. Mystery 638 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:36,120 Speaker 1: is in Brooklyn, Mystery. What's happening? Hey, guys, how are 639 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 1: you doing? I've been trying to give me a show 640 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 1: for a minute, but I'm say, you guys do a 641 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 1: great job. Appreciate. I was mentioning that that, you know, 642 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 1: there was a time when we had more time or 643 00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 1: the place at more time in practice, they had more 644 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 1: full contact, they had more contact, and I know the 645 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 1: league changed that because I think they did would help 646 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,080 Speaker 1: the guys in the long run, like have their bodies 647 00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,480 Speaker 1: ready for the regular season. Well, the league didn't change, 648 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 1: it was you guys. Believe what I think. I think 649 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 1: it's kind of giving them like running with those serious 650 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 1: business because you're coming up short. Now you have to 651 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 1: start a full season with less time, less full contact, 652 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 1: less ability for the coaches to value and hey, look 653 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:15,520 Speaker 1: this guy can get his hands up, this guy does 654 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 1: move his feet. Well, this guy does read them, Mike, 655 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 1: this guy does read the safety so on and so forth. 656 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,760 Speaker 1: You can't if you're minimizing practices. And my other point 657 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,280 Speaker 1: that I want to make really quick is everybody's talking 658 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,720 Speaker 1: about Odell Beckham snacks and took about the players, and 659 00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 1: what people have to understand at least I think is 660 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 1: these guys are putting in time and energy. Like you're speaking, 661 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,480 Speaker 1: Um Jeff was speaking earlier. He's like, hey, I get 662 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,239 Speaker 1: five weeks out of a year. That's it. It's been 663 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 1: with my family JUSTI even loves it, just to said 664 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 1: high to his wife. People don't understand how that's such 665 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 1: a blessing in the in the suddenly amount of times 666 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 1: you guys have to put into it. And so now 667 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:56,960 Speaker 1: they say, I've got five weeks everybody wants to rip 668 00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,480 Speaker 1: O'Dell about because he went on the boat ride or 669 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:06,760 Speaker 1: he won't and you know, yeah, well I think that 670 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 1: you know the whole boat that the you know, timing 671 00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 1: is everything they say, right, I mean, there's a time 672 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 1: and a place for everything. The boat. The boat is. 673 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,239 Speaker 1: The time is when you're in that. In fact, it's 674 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 1: a perfect time to go out on a boat, when 675 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 1: you're after after the mini camp is over and you're 676 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,320 Speaker 1: in the summer period before training, cap go on the boat, 677 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 1: relax all you want. But you know, after the playoff game, 678 00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:26,120 Speaker 1: it was a little bit you know, at the time 679 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 1: he was not there. But you know, these these these 680 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 1: guys do put a lot of time in the One 681 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 1: thing that people have to realize is that the coaches 682 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 1: in the organization get a little bit worried at this 683 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,719 Speaker 1: time of the year when these guys leave. I mean 684 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 1: they're they're gone for five weeks, and they have to 685 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 1: understand that, you know, they still have to keep They've 686 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 1: been in the O t A s, they've been in 687 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 1: the offseason workout program. You certainly don't want to lose 688 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,480 Speaker 1: all that and the five weeks that you're that you're gone. 689 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 1: And I know that the strength coach and the trainers 690 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:54,000 Speaker 1: and and your and your and your position coach. I'll 691 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,200 Speaker 1: tell you late listen, you want to lay low a 692 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:57,960 Speaker 1: little bit. We want you to have a good time 693 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 1: and relax and stuff, but you gotta you still gotta train. 694 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:02,320 Speaker 1: And a lot of these guys, not a lot, but 695 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,960 Speaker 1: there are some guys that come into camp and they 696 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 1: didn't do what they were supposed to do, why they 697 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:10,320 Speaker 1: were gone, and and they get on you know, yeah, 698 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:12,680 Speaker 1: well you fall behind or you don't pass the conditioning 699 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:14,760 Speaker 1: tests when they regroup for training camp. That's why the 700 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,400 Speaker 1: six week period I agree with you on Jeff. It's 701 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 1: so important for these players to follow their own regiment 702 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 1: or have their own personal trainer so that they treated 703 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,840 Speaker 1: as if it's another O, T A every day, so 704 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,240 Speaker 1: that it's not a wake up call once you resume 705 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,400 Speaker 1: play at training camp. The other thing that I wanted 706 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 1: to point out mystery. You know. You you brought up 707 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,800 Speaker 1: the point about how there's limited practices and there's no 708 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 1: two days anymore, which is something Jeff can relate to 709 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,640 Speaker 1: when he played, but that was not a league change. 710 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:44,320 Speaker 1: That was a CB, a collective bargaining. The players wanted 711 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 1: that to change though, see that that's the thing the 712 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,480 Speaker 1: league did not make that change. Looking out for the 713 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,040 Speaker 1: well being the players. The players as part of the 714 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,719 Speaker 1: negotiating said well, you know, if we're gonna give up 715 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,680 Speaker 1: certain things, we want you not a limit practices. So 716 00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 1: they agreed to do that, and I think they hurt 717 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,600 Speaker 1: themselves in a certain respect because now they don't have 718 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,200 Speaker 1: enough of an opportunity to prove themselves on the field 719 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 1: and work with the coaching staffs to show that they 720 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,800 Speaker 1: deserve a spot on the fifty three. Wow, I didn't 721 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,120 Speaker 1: know that. I didn't know that. My last little quick point, guys, 722 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,240 Speaker 1: in with regard to what you were saying, I heard 723 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 1: an interview with Evan Angrim yesterday and they asked him 724 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 1: and I'm Evan Ingry, I'm sorry, Wayne Goldman, and they 725 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,240 Speaker 1: asked him what was he done better this year? It's 726 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 1: like I think one of you guys interviewed him, and 727 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 1: he said he found himself being more of a professional 728 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,720 Speaker 1: in his off time. You know, he ate better, he 729 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:33,480 Speaker 1: exercised better, he did the professional things. Like Jeff just said, 730 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 1: they give you X amount of million dollars to play 731 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,600 Speaker 1: this game in your off time. You're supposed to show 732 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,640 Speaker 1: that professionalism. When he said that, that made me feel 733 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,240 Speaker 1: really good about this year for the Giants, because when 734 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,080 Speaker 1: you're youngsters are saying they're doing this professional, mature thing. 735 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:49,600 Speaker 1: That's a good size. It really is. And I tell 736 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,960 Speaker 1: you it shows the maturity, okay, and and and and 737 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,240 Speaker 1: it's a step up. You no longer a college student anymore. 738 00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,720 Speaker 1: You no longer have to You can only be at 739 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,200 Speaker 1: the facility for x and out of hours. Now it 740 00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,040 Speaker 1: is a little bit like that, but nothing like college. Um. 741 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,600 Speaker 1: And you understand, you understand that this is a business, 742 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:09,600 Speaker 1: and you understand that the Giants just went out and 743 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,799 Speaker 1: spent their number two draft pick on a running back. 744 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,759 Speaker 1: Not to say that they they don't like you, but 745 00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,960 Speaker 1: the fact is is that you're expendable, so you better work. 746 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,440 Speaker 1: And that's how you always light a fire under some 747 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,359 Speaker 1: of these guys. But not saying that the Giants lit 748 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 1: a fire under want Wayne Goldman, because I thought that 749 00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,880 Speaker 1: Wayne had a nice season last year and I feel 750 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,880 Speaker 1: like he's a kid that can learn from Sequon Barkley, 751 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,520 Speaker 1: even though he's just a year older than him, Uh, 752 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,239 Speaker 1: you're younger than him. Excuse me, most QUANSA, Y're younger. 753 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,440 Speaker 1: My point is is that these guys all have to 754 00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,680 Speaker 1: work together. You can't just have one running back, okay, um, 755 00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:43,920 Speaker 1: But they do grow up and they understand that, Hey, 756 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,000 Speaker 1: it's not I don't have to go to class anymore. 757 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,839 Speaker 1: I need to go to g n C and and 758 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:50,880 Speaker 1: you know, get some supplements and do the stuff and 759 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:52,719 Speaker 1: got to go to the grocery store and get the 760 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:54,640 Speaker 1: right stuff to eat and things like that. Off the 761 00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:56,680 Speaker 1: field is gonna make you better on the field. Well, 762 00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:01,399 Speaker 1: because to me, the differences all your time about Thank 763 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:05,080 Speaker 1: you about bringing in um Stewart the running back was 764 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,200 Speaker 1: an awesome idea with the youngster running backs back. Well, 765 00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 1: absolutely absolutely, and I appreciate the phone call, Mystery. Thanks 766 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:15,239 Speaker 1: so much for weighing in. Thanks all right, sounds good 767 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:17,799 Speaker 1: with With respect to Goldman, I think you brought up 768 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,000 Speaker 1: a great point, Jeff, because when you're in college, you 769 00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,600 Speaker 1: know you also have school work, so you're balancing both 770 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,359 Speaker 1: and and you're trying to prioritize both and it may 771 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:30,920 Speaker 1: not be football or or or the school work may 772 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:34,280 Speaker 1: not seven. Now, I think what players need to realize 773 00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:37,160 Speaker 1: the responsibility now is football. You gotta take care of 774 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,279 Speaker 1: your body on and off the field. When you're not 775 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,080 Speaker 1: with the team, you gotta be thinking about football. You 776 00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:44,400 Speaker 1: gotta study your playbook. That's the homework now. That's priority 777 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,080 Speaker 1: number one. There are no other priorities. And you know what, 778 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,120 Speaker 1: you don't have a teacher that's gonna be young. You 779 00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,600 Speaker 1: have a coach now, and you also have an organization 780 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:53,120 Speaker 1: that they don't like you, and then they're going to 781 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,440 Speaker 1: fire you, and you're never you're not gonna make money anymore, 782 00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:57,560 Speaker 1: and you're gonna have to go start over somewhere else. 783 00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,279 Speaker 1: So um, a lot of responsibility goes into that. And 784 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,319 Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, if you're a coach and 785 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,799 Speaker 1: you've got these young guys, this is why, to be 786 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,399 Speaker 1: honest with you, this is why the rookies are here 787 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,279 Speaker 1: so much longer than the than the veterans. Okay, the 788 00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:12,680 Speaker 1: rookies don't leave here. You know, the veterans come in 789 00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:14,120 Speaker 1: for the o T A s and they go home 790 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,040 Speaker 1: on the weekends, and then you know, after the o 791 00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:19,279 Speaker 1: T or the offseason workout program, the rookies are here. 792 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,879 Speaker 1: As soon as they graduate college, they can come here 793 00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:27,200 Speaker 1: and after for for example, after the minicamps over, the 794 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,439 Speaker 1: rookies stay here. They're they're not leaving like the rest 795 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,799 Speaker 1: of the stay a little bit longer than another week 796 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:35,839 Speaker 1: or so, just to kind of, you know, get get 797 00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:37,320 Speaker 1: them caught up and stuff, because, you know what, you 798 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:39,680 Speaker 1: gotta pull the reins back on some of these young guys. 799 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,640 Speaker 1: You know, they just feel like, okay, now we can 800 00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:46,279 Speaker 1: got five weeks to get out. So the team's gonna 801 00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,200 Speaker 1: hold them as long as they can, just to make 802 00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:52,399 Speaker 1: them understand that this is a profession now and you 803 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,080 Speaker 1: you you are being paid for what you do. And 804 00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:58,239 Speaker 1: and and the one thing that is always said going 805 00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,400 Speaker 1: away from any of this stuff, uh many camps or 806 00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:05,439 Speaker 1: whatever they the team lets the players go, they always say, 807 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:09,960 Speaker 1: remember you are representing the New York Giants, and whatever 808 00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:12,800 Speaker 1: you do and whatever you say outside of this building, 809 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:16,640 Speaker 1: understand that. And so that's important for them to know 810 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:18,960 Speaker 1: that when you leave here, that you have that n 811 00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,960 Speaker 1: Y on your on your on your on your chest 812 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,680 Speaker 1: here or anywhere you go, you're representing the organization. Make 813 00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:26,680 Speaker 1: sure you behave yourself and that you do it in 814 00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:28,279 Speaker 1: the right things the right way, because you don't want 815 00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,600 Speaker 1: to have to come back and and have to sit 816 00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:34,839 Speaker 1: in Dave Gentleman's office after he's been going through all 817 00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,160 Speaker 1: these treatments and stuff and things like this, and gonna 818 00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:38,960 Speaker 1: you know, you're gonna, you're gonna make him a little 819 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:41,719 Speaker 1: bit mad that you went out and did something you 820 00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,200 Speaker 1: weren't supposed to. Don't do it. Don't be We always 821 00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:47,560 Speaker 1: used to say, don't be that guy. Don't be that guy, 822 00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,320 Speaker 1: the one that stands out for the wrong reason. Absolutely, 823 00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,360 Speaker 1: that usually is the message for just about every NFL 824 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:57,040 Speaker 1: head coach. The parting words don't break yeah, don't be 825 00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,040 Speaker 1: that guy. And part of it is because, I mean, 826 00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,360 Speaker 1: think about it. During the course of the six weeks, 827 00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,080 Speaker 1: this is downtime, not just for the players, it's downtime 828 00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:08,080 Speaker 1: for the media. So there's no stories. So if you're 829 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:11,640 Speaker 1: making it easy for the media, then you're playcating right 830 00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:13,919 Speaker 1: to them. So that's exactly why the teams don't don't 831 00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,759 Speaker 1: anybody get out of character, don't be the guy that's 832 00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:23,200 Speaker 1: on the ESPN apter say. Yeah, not a good philosophy 833 00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:27,320 Speaker 1: to adopt onto the circumstances. Two zero one five one three, 834 00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,560 Speaker 1: certainly feel free to give us a ring. Will continue 835 00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,759 Speaker 1: to take some more phocals. Also want to work in 836 00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:34,440 Speaker 1: some questions we're getting on Twitter and appreciate the interaction 837 00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:38,759 Speaker 1: on social media. Reminder, Today, Wednesday and Thursday, Big Blue 838 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,080 Speaker 1: Kickoff Live is starting an hour later, so we're gonna 839 00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:44,200 Speaker 1: go one pm just before two pm as opposed to 840 00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,239 Speaker 1: our normal time which is noon to one. So just 841 00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:49,160 Speaker 1: make sure you take note of that. These next three days, 842 00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:52,120 Speaker 1: starting an hour later Friday, will return to the normally 843 00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,239 Speaker 1: scheduled time. We want to give a little bit of 844 00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,680 Speaker 1: time to uh, you know, for media, they'd be able 845 00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,440 Speaker 1: to tear the hear the players in some interview stuff 846 00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,360 Speaker 1: and and also um be able to go out to 847 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,560 Speaker 1: practice and watch some of the mini camp and and 848 00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:06,760 Speaker 1: look for things that we can bring to the show 849 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,439 Speaker 1: and let you know how things went. So this comes 850 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:13,200 Speaker 1: from Lisa's so Bad six. In your opinion, do you 851 00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:17,200 Speaker 1: think will carry more tight ends or wide receivers? Seems 852 00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:20,160 Speaker 1: heavy at tight end at this point. Oh, there's no 853 00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,840 Speaker 1: question there'll be more wide receivers. Yeah, because you can't 854 00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:26,160 Speaker 1: carry five five tight ends you know they're gonna carry 855 00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:29,279 Speaker 1: You're gonna carry five, you're gonna carry five wide receivers. 856 00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,640 Speaker 1: So well, I mean, I I'd expect to have six 857 00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:35,320 Speaker 1: minimum minimum five. Yeah, I'm with you, I mean, I'm looking. 858 00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,239 Speaker 1: I brought up the two thousand, seventeen fifty three just 859 00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,160 Speaker 1: as it means in comparison. So last year, heading into 860 00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:44,560 Speaker 1: the season, obviously the roster change, they kept six wide receivers. 861 00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:49,520 Speaker 1: It was Beckham, Marshall, Shepherd, Harris King, and Louis. So 862 00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:54,480 Speaker 1: King's gone, Harris is gone, Marshall's gone. So Beckham, Shepherd 863 00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:58,240 Speaker 1: and Lewis are the returning three out of that six. 864 00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:00,560 Speaker 1: That doesn't mean that all three are gonna make the team, 865 00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,040 Speaker 1: but three of the six that made the fifty three 866 00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,200 Speaker 1: last year are still in the mix. That means there's 867 00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:08,560 Speaker 1: three opportunities right there. Then if you go to the 868 00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:12,360 Speaker 1: tight end position, four tight ends were kept read Ellison, 869 00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,319 Speaker 1: Evan Ingram who were penciling back in, and then the 870 00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,200 Speaker 1: backups were Jarrell Adams and remember Matt Lacosse who had 871 00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:20,080 Speaker 1: been in and out of the team. So Adams is 872 00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,359 Speaker 1: still in the mixed. Lacosse is not here, so they 873 00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,319 Speaker 1: kept four. Now, Shane Smith was not a part of 874 00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:30,200 Speaker 1: that group. So the question is does the fullback get 875 00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,799 Speaker 1: counted in within the group of tight ends. Are they 876 00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,400 Speaker 1: gonna factor in the fullback with the running backs? Remember 877 00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:37,800 Speaker 1: that's a possibility. I mean to me, that's all really 878 00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,640 Speaker 1: minutia at the end of the day, just for how 879 00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:43,400 Speaker 1: they line up the final fifty three man roster. I 880 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,400 Speaker 1: don't think it's crazy to think that between the fullback 881 00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,240 Speaker 1: of the tight ends, you're not gonna get a combo 882 00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:52,839 Speaker 1: of four. I can see certainly that being the minimum there. 883 00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,080 Speaker 1: I mean meaning if you if you count the fullback 884 00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:00,359 Speaker 1: as part of the tight end, that you could get 885 00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:04,400 Speaker 1: four yea, not saying four plus one now that I 886 00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,640 Speaker 1: think maybe a bit of a surprise if they went 887 00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:08,680 Speaker 1: I mean, you have four tight ends and then you're 888 00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:10,840 Speaker 1: factoring in the fullback and then all the running backs. 889 00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:14,320 Speaker 1: I don't know necessarily necessarily if that would be something 890 00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:18,319 Speaker 1: in their game. And again, this this really when you 891 00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:21,160 Speaker 1: were building the roster, you have to understand it. I 892 00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:23,680 Speaker 1: know it gets old talking about it, but when you're 893 00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,840 Speaker 1: building a roster, it comes down to, Okay, who is 894 00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:30,000 Speaker 1: a better special teams player? Is it going to be 895 00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,560 Speaker 1: Shane Smith or is it gonna be Jirell Adams. Is 896 00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:36,399 Speaker 1: that you know that makes a difference Okay, let's look 897 00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:38,960 Speaker 1: at those other three spots that you just identified for 898 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:41,759 Speaker 1: the wide receiver position. I will tell you for a 899 00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:45,239 Speaker 1: fact that those three positions will be dictated on their 900 00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:49,800 Speaker 1: special teams play. No question. In my mind, wide receivers 901 00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:51,840 Speaker 1: are gunners on the football team. They were on the 902 00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:54,919 Speaker 1: punt team. Okay, do you need these guys to play 903 00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,719 Speaker 1: special teams? That is going to predicate itself on making 904 00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:01,080 Speaker 1: the Listen, Rudolph last year didn't make this team because 905 00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,520 Speaker 1: he didn't play special teams well, and now he's fielding 906 00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:06,680 Speaker 1: punts this year. Okay, so we and we and remember 907 00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,879 Speaker 1: talking about him last year. He had said to us 908 00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,319 Speaker 1: and to the media for that matter, I know that 909 00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:14,560 Speaker 1: I've been told that I have to play special teams 910 00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:16,480 Speaker 1: and get better at it. He didn't do what he 911 00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:18,680 Speaker 1: was supposed to do. He's got to get a lot 912 00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:20,239 Speaker 1: better at and hopefully this year he could do it, 913 00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:21,719 Speaker 1: because I think he's one of the guys that could 914 00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,080 Speaker 1: still on the cusp of being one of those three guys. 915 00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:26,560 Speaker 1: I'm with you. Hunter Sharp's another guy who we didn't 916 00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:30,080 Speaker 1: bring up. He's also been fielding punts. And then Calif Raymond, 917 00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,320 Speaker 1: who was on the team late last year. He's another 918 00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,600 Speaker 1: guy that is fielding punts and can do that role. 919 00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,080 Speaker 1: But I would I would imagine that, you know, in 920 00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:39,440 Speaker 1: my mind, I think that Cody Latimer is going to 921 00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:43,080 Speaker 1: be the fourth receiver, okay, and then the two the 922 00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:45,640 Speaker 1: other two are up there up for grabs. They really are, 923 00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:47,399 Speaker 1: and it's gonna come down to how these guys play. 924 00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,240 Speaker 1: And also health. Health always makes it a big difference. 925 00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,840 Speaker 1: So you know who's healthy coming out of that last preceason. 926 00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:57,600 Speaker 1: So you're including Roger Lewis in the top three, okay, 927 00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:00,600 Speaker 1: and then Lattimer's your fourth. And then here's another guy, 928 00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:03,520 Speaker 1: Russell Shepard, who was just brought in. He also had 929 00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:06,920 Speaker 1: special teams experience. So there's a lot of guys that 930 00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,719 Speaker 1: right now are at that position that are looking to 931 00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:11,880 Speaker 1: get an edge on one another, whether it be a 932 00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:14,000 Speaker 1: big return in the preseason or whatever it may be. 933 00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:17,799 Speaker 1: Don't forget, folks. Just like this team was three and 934 00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:22,000 Speaker 1: thirteen and horrible, the special teams last year was horrendous. 935 00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:26,560 Speaker 1: So this team and Dave Gellman, Dave Gentleman is a 936 00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:31,240 Speaker 1: special teams guy. He will build his roster where special 937 00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:33,960 Speaker 1: teams talent. That's why I'm telling you this right now. 938 00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:35,880 Speaker 1: Write it down, put it on the board, whatever you 939 00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:39,279 Speaker 1: want to do. Those those positions will be dictated on 940 00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:41,759 Speaker 1: special teams play. And I swear to you, if Dave 941 00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:43,680 Speaker 1: Gellman was sitting right next to me right now, he 942 00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:45,759 Speaker 1: would tell you the same thing. So I'm telling you 943 00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:48,120 Speaker 1: what he's gonna tell you if you asked him. This 944 00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:50,560 Speaker 1: is the same thing I'm telling you now. You're gonna 945 00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:52,520 Speaker 1: make this team if you're the fourth, fifth, or six 946 00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:55,359 Speaker 1: wide receiver because you play special teams, You're gonna make 947 00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:59,800 Speaker 1: the roster as a cornerback for special teams play. Okay, 948 00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:03,640 Speaker 1: that's the way it's gonna be. Lineman, you know, not 949 00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,359 Speaker 1: so much because they got the big guys in there 950 00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:08,759 Speaker 1: for the field goal on the field goal rush team, 951 00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:10,960 Speaker 1: they just kind of stay there. But the rest of 952 00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:14,000 Speaker 1: them there, that's that. That is the dictate. That is 953 00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,239 Speaker 1: going to be what makes the team is you have 954 00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:18,600 Speaker 1: to play those special teams. So we will be talking 955 00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:20,920 Speaker 1: about this for another couple of months, I'm telling you, 956 00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,279 Speaker 1: but it's gonna come down to the final hour. That's 957 00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:25,520 Speaker 1: what it's gonna be. At the tight end and the 958 00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:29,239 Speaker 1: wide receiver end wide receiver cornerbacks and linebackers. Those are 959 00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:31,040 Speaker 1: those things, right there are the guys that you have 960 00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,359 Speaker 1: to be able to play special teams. And that's why 961 00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:37,200 Speaker 1: it'll be interesting to monitor who makes big plays in 962 00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:40,279 Speaker 1: the preseason, because that's going to give them an opportunity 963 00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:44,080 Speaker 1: game feel, and really a guy can hit it out 964 00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:46,560 Speaker 1: of the park towards the second and the third preseason 965 00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:49,120 Speaker 1: more and more, the like I say, the second and 966 00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:52,680 Speaker 1: the the third preseason game, the third preseason game is 967 00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:54,799 Speaker 1: the closest you're gonna get to a regular season game 968 00:44:54,840 --> 00:44:58,000 Speaker 1: in preseason. So if those guys could go down on 969 00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:01,080 Speaker 1: and play good special teams and then maybe that last 970 00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:03,960 Speaker 1: quarter where they're playing against you know whoever, or even 971 00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:06,560 Speaker 1: gets subbed in the second or third quarter and play 972 00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:09,280 Speaker 1: well on their position, then they got a good chance. 973 00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:12,200 Speaker 1: They really do. All right, let's reopen up the phone 974 00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:14,600 Speaker 1: lines as we move along here on the latest edition 975 00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:18,080 Speaker 1: of Big Blue Kickoff Live, Day one of mandatory minicamp. 976 00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:21,320 Speaker 1: Here on this Tuesday, we're recapping what transpired to practice, 977 00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:23,920 Speaker 1: also what some of the players told the media. Jason 978 00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:26,800 Speaker 1: is in Denmark, Jason, what's happening? Hey, what's going on 979 00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:32,920 Speaker 1: doing today? Hey? Real quick, on the conversation about the 980 00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:36,520 Speaker 1: c b A, how often do they update what they 981 00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:39,200 Speaker 1: agreed to? Because I feel like if players are leaving 982 00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:43,040 Speaker 1: the league every couple of years, I say, four six years, 983 00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:46,960 Speaker 1: shouldn't they be constantly updating that agreement so that everybody 984 00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:50,799 Speaker 1: concluding the new players agree with everything that's in that package. Well, 985 00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,319 Speaker 1: I mean, keep in mind, the last time they negotiated 986 00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:56,680 Speaker 1: CBA was two thousand eleven, So it's the responsibility of 987 00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:59,359 Speaker 1: the new players to be read up on the ins 988 00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:02,359 Speaker 1: and outs of the collective Bargaining Agreement. But there's an 989 00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:04,600 Speaker 1: X amount of years that are put in place for 990 00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:06,839 Speaker 1: the c b A, so they don't necessarily have an 991 00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:09,440 Speaker 1: out after two or three years. I believe this is 992 00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:11,480 Speaker 1: this was a ten year deal if I'm correct, Jeff, 993 00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:16,880 Speaker 1: I think there's two thousand twenty one or to extend it. 994 00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:20,440 Speaker 1: And usually what comes with extension is that there's benefits 995 00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:23,839 Speaker 1: and and some tweaks to the system. And so that's 996 00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:26,080 Speaker 1: probably what you're talking about, is that is there a 997 00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,799 Speaker 1: chance and anything to that's it. But you know, if 998 00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,680 Speaker 1: nothing that is, nothing else is done, it's ten years, Yeah, 999 00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:33,640 Speaker 1: and they just continue to follow the procedures. I mean, 1000 00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:36,080 Speaker 1: the only thing that we've seen change, Jason is sometimes 1001 00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:38,520 Speaker 1: the policies that the NFL comes up with in terms 1002 00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:41,560 Speaker 1: of the domestic violence policy. Some of those things are 1003 00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:44,440 Speaker 1: newly thrown in within the midst of the c BA. 1004 00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:46,480 Speaker 1: But Jeff, they have but they have to be approved, 1005 00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:48,440 Speaker 1: but they have to be well that's where the gray areas, 1006 00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:50,200 Speaker 1: as you well know. No, but Jeff, you could provide 1007 00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:52,720 Speaker 1: insight because I think there's a great question that Jason 1008 00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:55,040 Speaker 1: threw out when you first came into the league and 1009 00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,759 Speaker 1: even when you've seen young players, how much of her 1010 00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:01,040 Speaker 1: responsibilities on the player or team employees to make sure 1011 00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:03,160 Speaker 1: that there well read up on the ins and outs 1012 00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:05,840 Speaker 1: of the c b A the union rep for every team. 1013 00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:08,399 Speaker 1: How does that go about? I think that that it's 1014 00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:11,840 Speaker 1: it's evolved to a point now where it's it's definitely 1015 00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:14,759 Speaker 1: mandatory that they understand what's going on, and it's and 1016 00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,560 Speaker 1: it's presented in a way that that it's like the 1017 00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:21,040 Speaker 1: team will have their own personnel, UM go over a 1018 00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:23,279 Speaker 1: lot of the items that are in it. The league 1019 00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:26,799 Speaker 1: then does that rookie symposium that's a big one. UM. 1020 00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:30,200 Speaker 1: Then they cover a lot of this stuff. So so 1021 00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:32,360 Speaker 1: that you're not just blindsided when you come in and 1022 00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:34,640 Speaker 1: there's you know, I didn't know about this, um, the 1023 00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:36,320 Speaker 1: flip side of it, not only from the c B. 1024 00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:39,600 Speaker 1: A part of it is that financials and just you know, 1025 00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:42,440 Speaker 1: life skills and and what what what it takes to 1026 00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:45,000 Speaker 1: be a professional football player when you're moving from college 1027 00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,239 Speaker 1: to the to the pro level. They do a nice 1028 00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:49,960 Speaker 1: job of the transition between there. They also do a 1029 00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:52,719 Speaker 1: decent job with a transition out of football, you know. 1030 00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:55,320 Speaker 1: So there's a transition coming from college into the pros. 1031 00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:58,080 Speaker 1: There's also a transition from playing as long as you 1032 00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:00,440 Speaker 1: do and going out of it, because that's maybe a 1033 00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:03,040 Speaker 1: bigger transition for players that are making a lot of 1034 00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:05,799 Speaker 1: money and that are the spotlight and that life is 1035 00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:07,680 Speaker 1: good and all of a sudden they're cutting they've never 1036 00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:10,360 Speaker 1: played football again, nobody cares about you anymore, and that 1037 00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:13,279 Speaker 1: mentally can be a tough transition for a lot of 1038 00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:20,120 Speaker 1: x NFL players. Yeah, so does that have Jeff on 1039 00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:23,560 Speaker 1: um what was it? What's this guy's name that pundit 1040 00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:29,840 Speaker 1: we got rid of from us Tralia? Yeah? Wing Wing? Yeah, 1041 00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:32,839 Speaker 1: why does it? And I'm just speculating, why does it 1042 00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:36,000 Speaker 1: seem like we're willing to work with Rojas and I 1043 00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:39,120 Speaker 1: know the different positions, but we seem like we weren't 1044 00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:41,080 Speaker 1: willing to try to work with him, seeing that he 1045 00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:43,799 Speaker 1: had such a talent for doing that boomerang kick and 1046 00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:45,399 Speaker 1: I kind of like him as a kicker. And then 1047 00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:47,800 Speaker 1: the last thing I had was, is there any truth 1048 00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:50,359 Speaker 1: to the rumors of DRC coming back? And I'll take 1049 00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,319 Speaker 1: all of that off the year Jason appreciate the phone call, Well, 1050 00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:55,839 Speaker 1: I haven't heard any That's the first I've heard of that. 1051 00:48:57,040 --> 00:49:00,440 Speaker 1: R was that the softball game that a lot of 1052 00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:02,680 Speaker 1: the Giants players took part and I know he was there. 1053 00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:05,040 Speaker 1: He spoke to the media and he mentioned that, you know, 1054 00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:07,160 Speaker 1: he just wasn't interested in taking part of O t A. 1055 00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:09,359 Speaker 1: So that's one of the reasons why he hasn't signed yet. 1056 00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:11,760 Speaker 1: And I know he was quoted by one of the outlets. 1057 00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:13,800 Speaker 1: I don't remember what it does, but you know he 1058 00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:15,759 Speaker 1: sent to the New York media, well maybe you'll see 1059 00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:19,800 Speaker 1: me soon, but that could have been him sarcastically joking around. 1060 00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:22,880 Speaker 1: I didn't see it in person. I only read the quote, 1061 00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:24,800 Speaker 1: and there's only so much you can read into that. 1062 00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:27,239 Speaker 1: So as far as the Giants are concerned, there has 1063 00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:30,880 Speaker 1: been nothing definitive whatsoever in terms of anything about d 1064 00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:32,960 Speaker 1: r C. Well, I think that I think that there's 1065 00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:36,000 Speaker 1: always a possibility he's a free and there's always a 1066 00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:39,480 Speaker 1: possibility that there's money. There's a big there's a big 1067 00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:42,799 Speaker 1: dictator here, um, this one, you know, so um and 1068 00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:45,480 Speaker 1: when the timing is right, you'll have to see what happens. Certainly, 1069 00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:47,600 Speaker 1: a guy like that can can play, and you can 1070 00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:50,000 Speaker 1: get him in camp maybe for you know, a week 1071 00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:52,560 Speaker 1: or two and be okay. Um. So there's not a 1072 00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:55,520 Speaker 1: pressing need to get him in now. Um. So I 1073 00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:57,400 Speaker 1: think that he'll just lay in the weeds until he 1074 00:49:57,680 --> 00:49:59,840 Speaker 1: basically has to. You know, a lot of those veteran 1075 00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:01,640 Speaker 1: I have done that in the past. They just don't 1076 00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:03,400 Speaker 1: want to go to training camp, and they figured that 1077 00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:05,480 Speaker 1: they could they can if they can come the last 1078 00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:07,880 Speaker 1: two weeks of this preseason and be okay, then you 1079 00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:10,280 Speaker 1: know that you nobody plays the last preseason game anyways, 1080 00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:12,400 Speaker 1: So maybe they come in the third, third game of 1081 00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:14,880 Speaker 1: the preseason and play a quarter or something to get 1082 00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:17,279 Speaker 1: a ready of DRC could certainly do. The Giants added 1083 00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:19,879 Speaker 1: Leon Hall a few years there you go. It would 1084 00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:22,360 Speaker 1: have surprised me if they add a veteran right before 1085 00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:24,440 Speaker 1: they started training camp. Adding the guy now is not 1086 00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:26,759 Speaker 1: gonna do anything because they're gonna have six weeks off. 1087 00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:29,000 Speaker 1: So if you're gonna add a veteran like that, you 1088 00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:31,319 Speaker 1: do it right as training camp starts. To your point, 1089 00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:34,240 Speaker 1: maybe a preseason game. And I think with brad Wing 1090 00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:39,480 Speaker 1: is that you know, there's there's always um, there's always politics, 1091 00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:43,080 Speaker 1: there's always um things you know financially that goes into it. 1092 00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:45,400 Speaker 1: You know, guys making money, and maybe they thought that 1093 00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:48,480 Speaker 1: brad Wing was, you know, not not worth the amount 1094 00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:51,359 Speaker 1: of money that that they were paying him um or. 1095 00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:53,799 Speaker 1: I don't know the whole story behind it um But 1096 00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:56,960 Speaker 1: I just think that Aldrich from in my opinion, has 1097 00:50:57,080 --> 00:51:00,160 Speaker 1: way more of an upside because he scores point and 1098 00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:02,319 Speaker 1: the guy's very valuable, and he's got a heck of 1099 00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:04,200 Speaker 1: a cannon and he just needs to he needs a 1100 00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:06,440 Speaker 1: learning Last year was a great learning experience for him 1101 00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:08,439 Speaker 1: because the team was three and thirteen. They really didn't 1102 00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:10,879 Speaker 1: give a hoots about if he was missing field goals 1103 00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:14,160 Speaker 1: or not. Yeah, So I think now that I watched 1104 00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:16,600 Speaker 1: him today, he hit I want to say, six or 1105 00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:18,960 Speaker 1: seven straight field goals all the way back to fifty 1106 00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:22,000 Speaker 1: six yards. I mean, he was just really good. I 1107 00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,080 Speaker 1: I talked to him right after that and I said, hey, 1108 00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:25,960 Speaker 1: you know what's the difference. He says, you know what, 1109 00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:28,360 Speaker 1: I'm just I just feel good. I'm focused, and you 1110 00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:30,560 Speaker 1: just trying to get better. And that's really all you 1111 00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:33,080 Speaker 1: can ask for these guys. So, um, he understands the 1112 00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:35,920 Speaker 1: pressure that he's under, you know, because kickers are you know, 1113 00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:37,759 Speaker 1: I hate to even say this, but the kickers are 1114 00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:40,000 Speaker 1: a diamond doesn't when you think about there's veterans out 1115 00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:41,960 Speaker 1: there that are that that just did not have a 1116 00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:44,480 Speaker 1: job or had a job last year that you can 1117 00:51:44,520 --> 00:51:47,799 Speaker 1: easily be replaced. But um, I look forward to him 1118 00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:49,480 Speaker 1: having a good year. And I don't know what's what 1119 00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:51,759 Speaker 1: the story is with the new two punters, but I've 1120 00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:55,160 Speaker 1: I watched Roddy Dixon today kick probably the best I've 1121 00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:58,480 Speaker 1: seen him kick since he's been here. Um, and he 1122 00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:00,920 Speaker 1: had a really nice after noon and I was happy 1123 00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:03,800 Speaker 1: to see the consistency was there yet. Dixon they acquired 1124 00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:06,879 Speaker 1: from Denver, and then they also signed another punter who 1125 00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:09,399 Speaker 1: was briefly with Pat Shermer. In the off season last 1126 00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:12,560 Speaker 1: year in Minnesota, so they're gonna have those two guys compete. 1127 00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:16,279 Speaker 1: There's also two kickers in camp, so we'll see what transpires. 1128 00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:18,520 Speaker 1: But like anything else, as we've seen in years past, 1129 00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:20,480 Speaker 1: it's all about the preseason. It's all about how they 1130 00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:23,120 Speaker 1: deliver in those games. Scenarios. You could make every field 1131 00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:26,120 Speaker 1: go jeff in practice, and then it's a completely different 1132 00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:28,759 Speaker 1: circumstances the game. And and one thing that you you 1133 00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:32,239 Speaker 1: can really take out of a preseason game that you 1134 00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:35,680 Speaker 1: can't really like from an evaluation standpoint. Okay, you say, okay, well, 1135 00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:37,560 Speaker 1: you know what, how can you evaluate a guy that's 1136 00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:40,080 Speaker 1: going up against second and third team players from a 1137 00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:43,200 Speaker 1: defensive end perspective, or a quarterback who's you know, the 1138 00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:46,399 Speaker 1: third string quarterback. Is the second string quarterback is going 1139 00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:48,640 Speaker 1: against the third or four string defense, of course he's 1140 00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:51,239 Speaker 1: gonna look good, right. The one thing about kicking and 1141 00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:55,000 Speaker 1: punting is because it's such an individual position, you can't 1142 00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:58,760 Speaker 1: evaluate that because really it's it's you against the goal post, 1143 00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:01,719 Speaker 1: you against the air, and so I mean you want 1144 00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:03,920 Speaker 1: to you want to evaluate it. You're gonna get the 1145 00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,480 Speaker 1: best evaluation out of kicking and punting because it's on 1146 00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:09,839 Speaker 1: an individual basis per kick per kick, so that you're 1147 00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:11,840 Speaker 1: right when it comes down to kickers or punters. You 1148 00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:14,279 Speaker 1: look in the preseason and you say, okay, we're gonna 1149 00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:16,799 Speaker 1: give you the preseason games, we're gonna evaluate and them, 1150 00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:18,600 Speaker 1: we're gonna chart you during the week, and then you're 1151 00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:20,840 Speaker 1: gonna the final piece of the puzzles and when you 1152 00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:23,000 Speaker 1: go into the preseason game. That's how that's how you 1153 00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:24,879 Speaker 1: make the team. Yeah, you know, I think you bring 1154 00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,439 Speaker 1: up an excellent point. Yet that's the beauty of when 1155 00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:31,080 Speaker 1: you have special teams players specifically specifically kickers and punters. 1156 00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:33,080 Speaker 1: I mean, it doesn't matter where it's the third team, 1157 00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:34,719 Speaker 1: the second team, of the first team. The bottom line 1158 00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:36,600 Speaker 1: has got to execute make the field goal. The only 1159 00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:38,840 Speaker 1: the only caveat in that whole thing would be the 1160 00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:41,520 Speaker 1: fact that if all of a sudden, you're snapper was 1161 00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:45,400 Speaker 1: the fourth you know the guy was or something that's 1162 00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:49,800 Speaker 1: like one hand and left handed back the long snapper 1163 00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:51,719 Speaker 1: is like the third guy on the depth chart that 1164 00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,160 Speaker 1: testing out. Maybe you take that into get what they 1165 00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:57,000 Speaker 1: will tell you that that's no, that's no excuse you 1166 00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:59,520 Speaker 1: because you have to assume that maybe the polished guy 1167 00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:01,839 Speaker 1: screws up and you got to be able to deal 1168 00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:04,800 Speaker 1: with it. Absolutely. Yeah. So I mean I remember I 1169 00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:07,279 Speaker 1: would have a great game and I'd have a bad 1170 00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:09,479 Speaker 1: kick because you know, maybe the snap was a little 1171 00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:12,000 Speaker 1: bit lower to the left of the right, and um, 1172 00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:13,640 Speaker 1: after the game, I'm like, man, if I had just 1173 00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:16,279 Speaker 1: had a better snap on that one, and my wife said, 1174 00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:19,560 Speaker 1: well you didn't, you still have to kick it, so 1175 00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:24,600 Speaker 1: stop complaining. It's like, oh, if some butts were cherries. Yeah, Like, well, 1176 00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:27,480 Speaker 1: if I hadn't, if I hadn't had those sixteen touchbacks 1177 00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:30,720 Speaker 1: in that season, my net would have been forty four. Yeah. Great, Okay, 1178 00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:37,280 Speaker 1: wonderful conversation, tremendous analysis that could love that sports. Yeah 1179 00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:39,040 Speaker 1: all right, well that is gonna wrap things up for 1180 00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:40,759 Speaker 1: us here. On Tuesday's the day should a Big Blue 1181 00:54:40,800 --> 00:54:44,360 Speaker 1: Kickoff Live. Appreciate everybody tuning in day one of mandatory minicamp. 1182 00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:46,759 Speaker 1: In the books, two more days to go and then 1183 00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:49,719 Speaker 1: everybody breaks cools off a little bit before the start 1184 00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:52,360 Speaker 1: of training camp. So reminder, Big Blue Kickoff Live starts 1185 00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:55,600 Speaker 1: Wednesday at one pm Eastern as well as Thursday. Will 1186 00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:58,719 Speaker 1: take your phone calls, will recap day two of Mini Camp, 1187 00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:00,719 Speaker 1: it will be Jeff and I once again. It stay 1188 00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:02,600 Speaker 1: locked to johnts dot com for all the latest for 1189 00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:04,600 Speaker 1: Jeff Eagles. I'm Lance Meadow and joined the rest of 1190 00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:06,440 Speaker 1: your Tuesday on giants dot com. I'm going