Speaker 1: Stack only going to listen, but to so many people,
Speaker 1: and when the temperature goes to one to ten, those
Speaker 1: people are very important. It's a responsibility to you to
Speaker 1: Stack to be that person all the day when you're around.
Speaker 1: I really feel like that when I'm with Pete.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to Unplugged, our weekly look around sports, culture
Speaker 2: and entertainment.
Speaker 3: Jack.
Speaker 2: I want to start with a salute to you. You
Speaker 2: received some pretty special this past week, the Presidential Medal
Speaker 2: of Freedom all the way from Port Arthur to the
Speaker 2: White House. Obviously, this is in conjunction with the George
Speaker 2: Floyd rally that you spearheaded and other things you've done
Speaker 2: in the community. Can you break us down about your
Speaker 2: evening and what that was like.
Speaker 4: Shout out to doctor Nicoleon, you and uh the girls
Speaker 4: who brunch tour they uh and uh also my sister
Speaker 4: Queen Queen Queen on your sada.
Speaker 3: I wasn't expecting this, Matt.
Speaker 4: I you know, I do a lot of stuff, you
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, before the George Floyd and after
Speaker 4: for communities, and I'm just you know, I was always
Speaker 4: taught to treat people how you want to be treated.
Speaker 4: But to get a lifetime Achievement Award. I still don't
Speaker 4: know the magnitude of it. Everybody tells me like that's
Speaker 4: one of the highest honors you can get, you know,
Speaker 4: But just to be just for the people that honored
Speaker 4: me and the people that thought about me, to to
Speaker 4: to give me this award button and to and to
Speaker 4: acknowledge me to the President and Vice president, I think
Speaker 4: that was that was the biggest thing for me.
Speaker 3: So, you know, just just to know.
Speaker 4: That everything I've done in my life, you know, good
Speaker 4: and bad, to where I'm at today, where I'm seeving
Speaker 4: the Lifetime Achievement a Lifetime Achievement award. When I didn't
Speaker 4: get all the awards that I wanted in basketball, I
Speaker 4: think that I put this one at the top map
Speaker 4: because I got a war for doing something that don't
Speaker 4: benefit me.
Speaker 2: So I appreciate bigger a high achievement for a high
Speaker 2: human being. Congratulations bro, Memorial weekend. I hope you had
Speaker 2: a good time for your family.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 2: We barbecue, got to slip a slide out on the
Speaker 2: backside of the hill. Kids ran into the fence, ran
Speaker 2: into the pool, We swim, we drank, smoked, a little bit,
Speaker 2: ate some good food.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 5: So we had a good time. Hope you did as well.
Speaker 3: Jack.
Speaker 2: Something we don't normally talk about, but one positive thing
Speaker 2: you either saw in life or social media this past week.
Speaker 4: Well, I'm actually I've been trying to look for this page.
Speaker 4: But it's a guy every It's a guy that comes
Speaker 4: on this page every day, man. And it's not just
Speaker 4: a normal motivation, you know what I'm saying. He actually
Speaker 4: goes out every day. It got from Toronto, Canada somewhere.
Speaker 4: He goes out every day and actually gives money to people.
Speaker 3: And but he do it in a different way. You know.
Speaker 4: He goes up and make it to him and make
Speaker 4: it seem like he's struggling to see if they're gonna
Speaker 4: help him. And you see how easy, how so many
Speaker 4: people in this world have good hearts and they actually
Speaker 4: help him, but he ended up blessing them with ten
Speaker 4: fifteen thousand dollars just to see him do it. So
Speaker 4: I think when I saw that page yesterday that I think,
Speaker 4: I think that's the goodness that I saw in the world,
Speaker 4: because it's good people out here, bro, And if it
Speaker 4: was more, if it was more people like this the world.
Speaker 4: That's why I always say it's not rocket science, the
Speaker 4: world would be in a better place. So that was
Speaker 4: refreshing for me to see, you know what I'm saying
Speaker 4: on social media, because it's so much bullshit. It's so
Speaker 4: many pages now on social media just spelling up fake stuff,
Speaker 4: not knowing the stories ain't real. So that was refreshing
Speaker 4: to see.
Speaker 2: It's I feel like, you know, when we're coming up
Speaker 2: in the nineties and the early two thousands, like I
Speaker 2: stopped watching news because it was always just so negative.
Speaker 5: You know, you're watch the local news.
Speaker 2: Everything is negative, nothing positive, And I feel like, unfortunately,
Speaker 2: that's what we got with this social media climate. It's
Speaker 2: just negativity on top of negativity on top of negativity.
Speaker 2: You know, you look at something like Clayton Caitlin Kark,
Speaker 2: and you know she has to take the social media
Speaker 2: cleanses because you're just so negative. Unfortunately, I didn't run
Speaker 2: across anything positive, but I do searching it and do
Speaker 2: what you enjoy seeing it, because like you said, there
Speaker 2: are a lot of great people out here with real heart.
Speaker 5: And and do good things.
Speaker 2: But I think the bullshit overshadows it, and and that's
Speaker 2: what the people want to see, the bullshit. So I'm
Speaker 2: gonna keep searching, but I'm glad you found something to
Speaker 2: to to uplift you and and and someone who's uplifting others,
Speaker 2: which is special man. Just in situation, Rest in peace
Speaker 2: to the great u c l A Center Portland Trailblazer
Speaker 2: in Boston, Celtic Bill Walton has passed away after a
Speaker 2: long bout with cancer.
Speaker 5: Man. That's unfortunate.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: Jeez, he used to call by UCLA games. Shout out
Speaker 2: Luke and and and the rest of the family. Man,
Speaker 2: sending you guys love and prayers and light.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 2: Cancer thing is no joke, man, So rest in peace
Speaker 2: to the Great Bill Walton and other news.
Speaker 5: Tour update.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately we will not be able to make it to Detroit.
Speaker 2: I got some legal issues going on, but we will
Speaker 2: be in Chicago June fourth, so make sure you lock
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Speaker 2: for your tickets.
Speaker 5: Don't miss out.
Speaker 2: Definitely looking forward to getting out to Chicago and enjoying
Speaker 2: the vibe out there.
Speaker 5: Make sure you guys catch us tonight.
Speaker 2: MAVs Wolves Live Watch Along Game four third edition to
Speaker 2: certified smoke this year, she'ld be a good one. Myself
Speaker 2: stacked ticket and og burnt, Paul Pierce the truth.
Speaker 5: Make sure you guys tap in. You won't be sorry.
Speaker 2: Now we'd like to welcome to the show one of
Speaker 2: our OG's, one of our big homies, one of the
Speaker 2: greatest to ever do it. Welcome to Unplugged Tonight we'll
Speaker 2: be going to his compound and doing a special certified
Speaker 2: Smoke watching excited about that ticket. What's been going on, man?
Speaker 2: How's the show been going with you and Paul? And
Speaker 2: what else is going on with you right now?
Speaker 1: You already know, man, we steady rocking, you know, checking
Speaker 1: out all these games, watching all this great just go
Speaker 1: right before ours, you know, trying to give our takes
Speaker 1: on it, trying to you know, keep the dope content coming,
Speaker 1: you know, trying to keep over with you guys.
Speaker 2: Spin ship, same old man, just same old building.
Speaker 5: Looking forward to certify smoke. It's always tohing to come together.
Speaker 3: Big Bro. I ain't surprised. I ain't seen you in
Speaker 3: the building yet.
Speaker 1: You know what everybody was on me about like getting
Speaker 1: to a game and I'm you know, like if I'm
Speaker 1: keeping it in a buck, Bro, I don't want to
Speaker 1: come off like some bandwagon cat. You feel me like
Speaker 1: you always the spirit? No, get it, I get it,
Speaker 1: I get it. I just can't up and just be
Speaker 1: somewhere these days, like my younger days, I have responsibility,
Speaker 1: so family, you know, I'm always absolutely I got you know.
Speaker 1: I'm at a volleyball joint. Now you understand. So yeah,
Speaker 1: you appreciate the time to now. But I'm here in
Speaker 1: the spirit. I watched these games. I sit down. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I'm really locked in. I don't
Speaker 1: miss no team wars, no Celtics games. I'm watching them
Speaker 1: whole thing, you know what I'm saying, But those who specifically,
Speaker 1: because I have a real intimate connection with those guys
Speaker 1: and talking to those guys and caring for those guys.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm watching with a different intent that I'm
Speaker 1: watching a lot of it.
Speaker 5: I love it.
Speaker 2: We gonna get back to that. But two years into
Speaker 2: your journey was certified. Thoughts on it. Did you ever
Speaker 2: think you would take this route and how have you
Speaker 2: enjoyed it?
Speaker 1: Coming out of retirement. I didn't really have a specific
Speaker 1: on what I was going to go into at the time.
Speaker 1: Very similar to you guys, because we all hit at
Speaker 1: the same time, or it seemed like you know, you know,
Speaker 1: when you when you're going through that kind of cycle
Speaker 1: of what to get into. I think I just got
Speaker 1: the offer to come do T and T for three
Speaker 1: years and start Area twenty one where it was kind
Speaker 1: of like a thing before it's time, and that gave
Speaker 1: me great coaching and great teachings in the lights of
Speaker 1: how podcasts and how digital works and how out how
Speaker 1: this whole thing works and productions and all that. So
Speaker 1: I decided uh to partner with some great partners in
Speaker 1: Content Cartel with Boe and Mike, and they had already
Speaker 1: been in content for a very long time. We started
Speaker 1: Content Cartel and the rest has been It's been history.
Speaker 1: We built some dope stuff, but I got to give
Speaker 1: credit to that Turner interaction for three years for me
Speaker 1: and really taught me a lot about the digital world
Speaker 1: and how to actually be on your own and how
Speaker 1: to survive out here, how how viral works well, how
Speaker 1: hot content, and really really about how to really articulate
Speaker 1: in dialogue to the audience and articulating it to where
Speaker 1: they can understand it and put it in terms where
Speaker 1: you're not so traditional. You know, we don't wear suits,
Speaker 1: we don't come suits and boot it. You know, we
Speaker 1: talking to the kid out there. This is more like
Speaker 1: a corner conversation. If you pull up on some blocks
Speaker 1: like in lending, or if you somewhere and like in
Speaker 1: the BX, if you indict me, if you somewhere and
Speaker 1: and and and and and on Chrisshaw something, you may
Speaker 1: see a couple of corner guys just sitting on the
Speaker 1: corner talking shit. You know what I'm saying. Like you
Speaker 1: you're a country boy down at Scspringfield Park or something,
Speaker 1: you may catch this kind of conversation. And that kind
Speaker 1: of conversation that me and Pe have is really really
Speaker 1: contingent to a lot of guys that we know. When
Speaker 1: we sit around you know, Matt and Stack and we
Speaker 1: talking basketball and it ain't nobody in the room and
Speaker 1: we're blowing and it's the atmosphere and it's the environment.
Speaker 1: Those the conversations that we really really really get a
Speaker 1: lot of fans tapping into, because those the guys that
Speaker 1: want to have that kind of conversation. When we when
Speaker 1: you're looking from a fart, you're like, whoa, whoa, what
Speaker 1: they're talking about man, that looks crazy and you get
Speaker 1: up on it and it's just a bunch of spirited,
Speaker 1: passionate guys and that's how guys talk. So we we've
Speaker 1: learned and got a formula to that, and we haven't
Speaker 1: really seen more people take that chance because it is
Speaker 1: the way you got to do it. It is a
Speaker 1: way that it's got a formula to it, and yeah,
Speaker 1: we're enjoying it. Man, Pete crazy, So it makes my
Speaker 1: job a look deeper. You know, you got crazy ass stacked.
Speaker 1: So you already know you know what I'm saying, who really,
Speaker 1: who really are kings? And what they say in their
Speaker 1: words and what they bring you got to honor it
Speaker 1: because he brings a whole nother light to it. So yeah,
Speaker 1: we work, you know what I'm saying, freaking frat we work.
Speaker 2: Yeah, speaking of pe, I mean, this dude's almost lost
Speaker 2: his finger fell in the pool the other day at
Speaker 2: his daughter's birthday party. What has been like, you know,
Speaker 2: kind of not re kindling because you guys have always
Speaker 2: been straight, but just your guys' chemistry. I always say
Speaker 2: that the secret to these shows are the chemistry with
Speaker 2: your partner. And obviously Jack and I have a special chemistry,
Speaker 2: but you and you and Paul's chemistry is unbelievable and
Speaker 2: it's literally humor within anger and frustration sometimes in comedy.
Speaker 2: So talked about your guys' chemistry and what it's been
Speaker 2: like getting get getting back together with Pete.
Speaker 1: So, Matt, you know this stack only gonna listen but
Speaker 1: to so many people, right, and when the temperature goes
Speaker 1: to one to ten, those people are very important because
Speaker 1: when you got a friend that can go to zero
Speaker 1: to a hundred and they ain't really thinking about the consequences,
Speaker 1: those very it's probably three four people that's on their list, right,
Speaker 1: it's a responsibility to you to start to be that
Speaker 1: person when you're around I really feel like that when
Speaker 1: I'm with Pee Pete, I'm the friend that tells pe
Speaker 1: nah that ain't cool or no Pee nah nah, I
Speaker 1: ain't feeling nothing, no Pee, no, no, I don't care.
Speaker 1: I get it. No, no, not that one. And you
Speaker 1: need those friends because Paul got a bunch of motherfuckers
Speaker 1: that that bow toying and he Pete, No, we all
Speaker 1: bow to him, and you know, we all wanted the
Speaker 1: best for him. But sometimes some of the stuff ain't
Speaker 1: ain't it. So it's just my opinion. He can hear
Speaker 1: grown man. He gonna do what he want to do anyways,
Speaker 1: and vice versa. You know, he'll say something to me
Speaker 1: that I wasn't necessarily thinking about, or he'll bring up
Speaker 1: a point to I really wasn't locked into and not
Speaker 1: honor him for that, because you need real ones around you, bro.
Speaker 1: We were not professionals in the states of that. We're human,
Speaker 1: we make mistakes, we have human emotions. Sometimes we're emotional,
Speaker 1: and you need those real around you to tell you
Speaker 1: real stuff. So I'm god grateful for pe Mann straight up,
Speaker 1: just like you off the stack. Yeah, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, it's.
Speaker 5: A real brand.
Speaker 2: Switching over to the playoffs right now, Wolves on the
Speaker 2: brink of elimination tonight. A couple of different storylines. I mean,
Speaker 2: Kat struggling from the three point line shooting thirteen percent,
Speaker 2: Anthony Edwards to me has looked gast only shooting thirty
Speaker 2: eight percent from the field, Luke and Kyrie have taken
Speaker 2: it to another level, and then the young boy Lively
Speaker 2: has been really live. Tyson Chandler two point zero. What
Speaker 2: has jumped out to you about this series?
Speaker 1: Man? I don't want to make this long winded, but
Speaker 1: I want to go somewhere with y'all for a second.
Speaker 1: Y'all chat here with me for two seconds. Y'all be here,
Speaker 1: So stack Matt. You know what I was thinking about
Speaker 1: it as I was watching the Young Wolves. Two things.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make a two part. I don't want to
Speaker 1: stretch just for hear me, feel me, bro I'm watching
Speaker 1: the young Wolves play hard, and I'm watching them give
Speaker 1: a solid effort. But it made me think like this,
Speaker 1: Then the young Wolves ain't never been here before. I
Speaker 1: mean their bodies, I mean they're they're they're mental. So
Speaker 1: the Michael Jordan effect is two effects. Michael Jordan changed
Speaker 1: the effect of how you came into training camp a
Speaker 1: lot of lot of If you look at yesteryear's times,
Speaker 1: a lot of guys used to come into training camp
Speaker 1: and get in shape during training camp. Mike Jordan effects
Speaker 1: changed it to where you came in to camp and
Speaker 1: in camp ready, and it changed the whole mechanism of
Speaker 1: the league so much that coaches GM's ownership expected you
Speaker 1: to come in ready to go. I say the second
Speaker 1: part to that was that his effect when he left
Speaker 1: base well he left for baseball. He came back and
Speaker 1: he started playing in the summertime with Antoine Walker, a
Speaker 1: bunch of young guys that was in my time. And
Speaker 1: what he was doing was the guys that were just
Speaker 1: coming off or just didn't make the playoffs or just
Speaker 1: coming out of playoffs. He was making them playoffs to
Speaker 1: July first. And I said, why July first, because that's
Speaker 1: when the finals went through. The finals went through almost
Speaker 1: June eighteenth, June nineteenth, But Mike Jordan taught all of
Speaker 1: us to play through July first. You know why, because
Speaker 1: you want to continue to watch the games and keep
Speaker 1: that vision in your head of whatever you're chasing. You
Speaker 1: want to be able to condition your body and condition
Speaker 1: yourself so that you continue to play throughout these truft
Speaker 1: I bet the Minnesota timber was wasn't conditioned and their
Speaker 1: bodies are not conditioned to go past may Bro just
Speaker 1: because they're made. They're using on vacation right now. They
Speaker 1: chilling their bodies sub consciously or not have not been here.
Speaker 1: So this is part of the process.
Speaker 5: Bro.
Speaker 6: When you look at everybody's process, look at hard Mike.
Speaker 6: It took Mike eight years to get there. It took
Speaker 6: it took it took Cold five six years to get there.
Speaker 6: It took Brian Man.
Speaker 1: When you look at everybody's duration, those guys had to
Speaker 1: go through something to reprogram their bodies from one stage
Speaker 1: to another. Bro. When I went through what I went through,
Speaker 1: it No. Four and I thought I could beat Covid Shack.
Speaker 1: I got there, in the realness of it was Damn,
Speaker 1: I can't beat them with sam on a broken hill
Speaker 1: and a half fast whatever. I need more weapons, And
Speaker 1: than it hit me, Damn, I'm not really conditioned to
Speaker 1: be here or to go beyond this. And I was tired.
Speaker 1: I had decent ass series, but it wasn't enough to
Speaker 1: dethron the King. You feel me? Detroit later on went
Speaker 1: on to beat the Lakers four to one. So by
Speaker 1: the time I got to oh Wait, I was already
Speaker 1: conditioned on the vision, and I was already conditioned with
Speaker 1: the body and what I was going to do when
Speaker 1: I got my situational, when I got my chance, so
Speaker 1: much that I played so differently eight just because of
Speaker 1: what I went through and though for and I'm seeing
Speaker 1: that going through with the same walls man, that this
Speaker 1: first markup success in their eyes is something to feed
Speaker 1: off of. It's something to grow, you understand. So now
Speaker 1: that when they go back I actually listen, They're probably
Speaker 1: not gonna win the series, but I'm glad they got
Speaker 1: a taste of this, so now they know what to
Speaker 1: build up up. Anthony Edwards gets a summer, he gets
Speaker 1: to rest a little bit because a rejuvenated cat and
Speaker 1: Anthony Edwards is really your foundation, and that's important. Another
Speaker 1: thing to Minnesota's ownership. Make sure in these Olympics that
Speaker 1: these Olympic coaches do not play Anthony Edwards. You hear
Speaker 1: what I'm saying to you, because it'd be a lot
Speaker 1: of those little games that people don't really talk about. Bro,
Speaker 1: you get in the Olympics and we're supposed to be
Speaker 1: this twelve man roster of superstars, but yeah, I'm playing
Speaker 1: the both of the minutes forty minutes, I'm playing thirty
Speaker 1: six minutes. Clip had to call and be like, hey, look,
Speaker 1: I get it. But yeah, we got a season two
Speaker 1: and you're like, reals, talk nobody's talking about that. You
Speaker 1: feel me that perspective is a real one. So I'm
Speaker 1: just throwing these parodies out to say that this is
Speaker 1: part of the young Timberwalls process, and I really feel
Speaker 1: like this is what you got to go through to
Speaker 1: be able to go to the next level.
Speaker 2: I think that's a great point, too, Ticket, because I
Speaker 2: feel like they match up very well. It's just coming
Speaker 2: down to closing. You know, the last three four minutes,
Speaker 2: last two minutes, you've seen what Luca and Kyrie have done,
Speaker 2: and they've both been although Luca's been to the Western
Speaker 2: Conference finals, Kyrie's won a championship and been in the
Speaker 2: finals before, they know what it takes to close. And
Speaker 2: you see these small subtle mistakes down the stretch by
Speaker 2: Minnesota overpassing or or jacking up threes and not getting
Speaker 2: good looks when the teams are making runs. And I
Speaker 2: just think, like you said, I think the experience from
Speaker 2: this is definitely going to serve them well in the future.
Speaker 1: And listen, another point, do we understand I mean, stack
Speaker 1: you play with J Kidd, bro, do we understand it?
Speaker 1: J Kidd the maniacal? We have not given J Kidd
Speaker 1: enough credit. J Kidd once was one of the best
Speaker 1: manipulators point guards that can break down any off defense
Speaker 1: in the league. Now, don granted he can't come out
Speaker 1: here and do this stuff himself. But when you watch Luca,
Speaker 1: it's so much j Kidd in Luca's game. The no
Speaker 1: look libs, I just say j Kidd had a step
Speaker 1: back like Luca. And I'm not calling them the same players,
Speaker 1: but I see Jason Kidd's influence and both Kyrie and
Speaker 1: Luca and their decision making as they come off screams,
Speaker 1: as they come off being aggressive, Kyrie pulling up like
Speaker 1: I'm watching it. I see j Kid with the joystick
Speaker 1: pushing R one cross over there to joyststick up. Look,
Speaker 1: I see him. I see his making all of this. Bro,
Speaker 1: we need to give a lot more credit to Ja
Speaker 1: KiB and then he's reincardinated. Uh freaking Tyson Chandler. He's
Speaker 1: lovely in the in the goln bro. He got two Tyson, Bro.
Speaker 1: I've never seen so many dunks and lobs in a
Speaker 1: series ever. And when have we ever seen two, not one,
Speaker 1: two sweeps in conference finals?
Speaker 4: And that's what I wanted to touch on too, Like
Speaker 4: I was gonna touch on that, like the coaching wise,
Speaker 4: Like you talk about the team being young, ship the
Speaker 4: coach over there being young too, because he hasn't just
Speaker 4: really made adjustments great adjustments from series to series.
Speaker 3: J Kidd has you can't.
Speaker 4: Play the same Wegas Denver as you play against Dallas,
Speaker 4: and it's two.
Speaker 3: Different type of teams, it's two different offenses.
Speaker 4: So I see J Kidd really our coaching Minnesota's coach
Speaker 4: bro and that you know what I'm saying. He Minnesota
Speaker 4: coach done done a great job up to this point,
Speaker 4: but the situation he put in in you don't even
Speaker 4: know what to guard. You took him off Kyrie because
Speaker 4: you see Kyrie draining him. Now you're putting them on
Speaker 4: somebody else.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 4: It's kind of too late in the series to be
Speaker 4: making these changes because Dallas know what they got you.
Speaker 3: They got the knife in you already. All they gotta
Speaker 3: do is pull it out now.
Speaker 4: So J Kid has done a great job of making
Speaker 4: adjustments and putting this team position to be up three
Speaker 4: to zero. I think Minnesota coach didn't make an adjustments
Speaker 4: from the last series.
Speaker 1: First off, I would have never put Anthony Edwards on Kyrie.
Speaker 1: I would have. I would have. I would have put
Speaker 1: his pride to the side and his offense would have
Speaker 1: prioritized I would I would because because without scoring the
Speaker 1: Timberwolves can't just go off defense along. They have to
Speaker 1: turn them turnovers over to points. I didn't think they
Speaker 1: I see the difference in the road McDaniel and a
Speaker 1: home McDaniel. Obviously your road players played better at home,
Speaker 1: but I've seen zero adjustments. I didn't think Rudy Gobet
Speaker 1: should played should have played in this series. And I
Speaker 1: say that he. I say because if you give it
Speaker 1: up love, dunks and guys are being able to if
Speaker 1: you haven't had a chance to put a presence on
Speaker 1: the game, then you're hurting them. And I see them
Speaker 1: playing faster when he's off the floor. I would have
Speaker 1: went smaller. I would have put speed against speed, and
Speaker 1: I would have put a bigger guy. I damn it
Speaker 1: would have put I mean, Jamie Dank, listen the ship,
Speaker 1: Luca doing the shit. Kyrie. You can't even it's greater
Speaker 1: offense over greater defense. Bro, It's nothing they can do.
Speaker 1: I would actually take the ball out of their hands
Speaker 1: and make Washington Junior, make Jones Junior and make a
Speaker 1: lively beat me. I would have these part players beat me,
Speaker 1: but they are Washington Junior is hit in the corner,
Speaker 1: three Jones is getting air Ones and going to the
Speaker 1: cup and Lobby got like fifteen dunks. He's perfectly like,
Speaker 1: you're not taking nothing away, and I'm surprised it ain't
Speaker 1: no hard files, my dude, with a hard man, I'd
Speaker 1: a man, I'd have been gave a hard foul right now, Man, lobs,
Speaker 1: it's too bro. Look at let's shit for a second.
Speaker 1: Look at the Pacer Celtics series. I've never seen so
Speaker 1: many layups and dunks in my life. Bro Like like
Speaker 1: and listen when the league gave up physicality for points, man,
Speaker 1: and I ain't even gonna say water. I don't want
Speaker 1: to say water, damn. But Dad, let's say I have
Speaker 1: to play defense. Whatever team play defense is gonna win
Speaker 1: the finals. I don't care what it is. I don't
Speaker 1: care if it looks sloppy, if it's not attractable. It
Speaker 1: is what it is. Defense wins wins. Bro, Man, real,
Speaker 1: stop real talking. You know what we're not talking about too.
Speaker 1: Dallas gets stops when they need it, man, man, Dallas
Speaker 1: get calmed, and they do a great job of hiding
Speaker 1: Kyrie and hiding Luca. Hey, y'all sit over here, let
Speaker 1: y'all and then we're gonna use our three dogs Washington Junior,
Speaker 1: Jones Junior, Come on, Lively, y'all get up in these
Speaker 1: picking rolls and switch, switch, switch and do and then
Speaker 1: they bring in dream man. J Kidd is diabolical with
Speaker 1: this bro I've been watching. I was like Snell Minnesota
Speaker 1: has no idea what's going on.
Speaker 2: I think before we head off to the next series,
Speaker 2: real quick, I want both your guys' takes on Kyrie Irving,
Speaker 2: someone who who It's never been a question about his
Speaker 2: his his talent on the court and his skill level
Speaker 2: on the court. It's been his mental and and I
Speaker 2: guess happiness or or or at peace with it. I mean,
Speaker 2: we're seeing the best Kyrie Irving we've seen, and the
Speaker 2: fact that he's been able to and I think I
Speaker 2: don't know who's an old interview or new interview where
Speaker 2: he said he can play next to the best players
Speaker 2: in the world. Him and Luca are incredible right now.
Speaker 2: And obviously we mentioned the j Kid effect and how
Speaker 2: great their role players are, but Kyrie Irving has been
Speaker 2: on another planet. And the fact that you can have
Speaker 2: a Luca and as soon as Luca wants to give
Speaker 2: it up to somebody else, that next person he's given
Speaker 2: up to is Kyrie, and there's zero drop off when
Speaker 2: that happens. So what Jack, I'll start with you, what
Speaker 2: do you think has been that the key to this
Speaker 2: beautiful basketball?
Speaker 5: The Kyrie Irvan has been playing well well.
Speaker 4: For me, I just look at it as different because
Speaker 4: you know, like I said, we've been there. I'm not
Speaker 4: even close and never was the player Kyrie is. But
Speaker 4: from the side of it where I'm comfortable, I can
Speaker 4: just play basketball.
Speaker 3: That's all the difference to me.
Speaker 4: Like you look at me, I have my best years
Speaker 4: where I could just be me, and Golden State, don
Speaker 4: Nelson be me, and Charlotte leb Brown and Cosalz let
Speaker 4: me be me. They just let me play basketball when
Speaker 4: people are when everything outside the court is not brought
Speaker 4: on the court by other people, not you, you can
Speaker 4: just play.
Speaker 3: And that's the thing with Kyrie. He's free.
Speaker 4: He loved playing the game, he loved being him. I
Speaker 4: just want to play basketball, and I can do it
Speaker 4: at the highest level. But y'all take everything me living
Speaker 4: my personal life and the way I feel and bringing
Speaker 4: it on the court. I'm not the one doing that.
Speaker 4: Y'all doing that. So now Matt, he's just playing basketball,
Speaker 4: and the same people that was degrading him, the same
Speaker 4: people that's saying and kick him out the league, the
Speaker 4: same people saying suspend him, don't sell his Bernards jerseys.
Speaker 4: All that are the same people supporting him now because
Speaker 4: it's not nothing he's doing different.
Speaker 3: He's playing basketball. He's still doing the same thing.
Speaker 4: But y'all letting him be his own person outside the
Speaker 4: Mavericks are.
Speaker 3: We talked to Mark Cuban.
Speaker 4: Mark Cuban, they love Kyrie, they know he a free thinker,
Speaker 4: but they letting him be him because they know one
Speaker 4: thing about it. If you let him be him, he's
Speaker 4: gonna come out and play basketball. Look, you know what
Speaker 4: I'm saying, You let and then that's and that's what
Speaker 4: it is. So I love the fact that he's with Jkidd,
Speaker 4: like like KG was talking about, because KG been there.
Speaker 4: I mean jk had been there, that one of the
Speaker 4: best point guard ever. He been through a lot of
Speaker 4: stuff in his career, not to the level of the
Speaker 4: magnitude of Kyrie, but he's been through different things, so
Speaker 4: we understand it. Kyrie's in the best situation he can
Speaker 4: be with an understanding owner like Mark Cuban and the.
Speaker 3: Coach that's been there. That's one of the best players
Speaker 3: in the game ever.
Speaker 4: I think this is what you see when you're comfortable,
Speaker 4: you happy, and people are treating you with respect and
Speaker 4: you're giving the same respect back.
Speaker 5: Ticket.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the piggyback with Jack's talking about. He looks at
Speaker 1: p I think he's uh said less. I think saying
Speaker 1: and sam less has helped him. No, So you know,
Speaker 1: let's just be honest. Brooklyn is a different climate than Dallas.
Speaker 1: You know, he's from Jersey, He's from that area. The
Speaker 1: Nets in the Brooklyn Nets ownership group is a very
Speaker 1: different group and they have their own beliefs, if you
Speaker 1: understand what I'm saying, right, right, So that was more
Speaker 1: about that more than anything, you know. So it was
Speaker 1: good that he was able to change up his environment,
Speaker 1: and I think in the sense of being in a
Speaker 1: different environment, he's succeeded and he's thriving now in this
Speaker 1: whole run, Kyrie's peace has not been disturbed. He looks
Speaker 1: very vibrant. He looks very calm and very very codious.
Speaker 1: If I'm able to use it respectfully. Some of the
Speaker 1: big shots look confident. He looks there, He looks very present. Right.
Speaker 1: The only question that's coming up in this next in
Speaker 1: this final round of the finals, that's just safe scenario.
Speaker 1: While it is the Boston Celtics. This will be the
Speaker 1: most challenging because it's just the finals and because of
Speaker 1: the relationships in the past, of his actions and things
Speaker 1: that he done in Boston and left Boston the way
Speaker 1: he left it, the narrative there is there for all
Speaker 1: of that to be with Stirf. Can he keep his
Speaker 1: peace in this hectic energy? Can he keep his peace
Speaker 1: in this hectic environment? You know, he made it about race.
Speaker 1: You know, he came out and said that, you know,
Speaker 1: some things happened race wise and all of that and
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. I mean that's I mean, that's gonna
Speaker 1: tap into your you know, I'm just saying that to
Speaker 1: say that this is I'm just all I'm saying here
Speaker 1: and all this coming up, bro, is it's going to
Speaker 1: play a part like I've never seen it. None of
Speaker 1: the series, any of his peace or his viboration be
Speaker 1: changed him height And I think Aunt calling him out
Speaker 1: actually activated him. I think Aunt him said he was
Speaker 1: holding his kid and then hearing that and he sat up, bro.
Speaker 1: But you're not a sleeping dog fleet, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So he should thank aunt for that. But
Speaker 1: this is gonna be another level of I think encouragement,
Speaker 1: and I think this's gonna be another level for him
Speaker 1: of of him trying to embrace something and keeping a
Speaker 1: certain level of steadiness and calmness, because yeah.
Speaker 3: He can unlock another level of Kyrie if he mastered
Speaker 3: this one case.
Speaker 1: Listen, listen, if they're able to go into the finals,
Speaker 1: if the Maveris and Celtics meet in the finals, and
Speaker 1: then there's some parody there too with Porsenius and Luca.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Like no one's talking about
Speaker 1: that they got a new history, and I think Luca
Speaker 1: kind of eluded that he didn't have any heard and
Speaker 1: you know, so it's listen. I'm seeing the narrative shift
Speaker 1: right before our let's get it, bro, let's get it.
Speaker 5: Let's get it, so ticket before we get you out
Speaker 5: of here.
Speaker 2: The media seems to think that the Celtics have not
Speaker 2: been challenged yet due to the injuries they faced along
Speaker 2: the way.
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts, man, Listen, this is what I
Speaker 1: had a problem with everybody. The Nadia's on the road.
Speaker 1: You're supposed to get your ass beat on the road. Dog,
Speaker 1: you're down on the road. Okay, So you're playing the
Speaker 1: home team at home. The home team is beating your
Speaker 1: ass like they're supposed to. They came back and they
Speaker 1: beat you. Listen, it's not the selfish fault that niggas
Speaker 1: is getting hurt. It's not the Celtics fault that people
Speaker 1: are dropping life flies. It goes back to my subconscious Halliburn.
Speaker 1: Then may played this far into may Bro. They ain't
Speaker 1: even come man. Listen, what I'm getting mad at is
Speaker 1: that no one in the basketball world is respecting the
Speaker 1: process of these young stars having to go through the process.
Speaker 1: And we're in the middle of those players the process
Speaker 1: their bodies. They remember when you was in high school
Speaker 1: and you went to college and you got to college,
Speaker 1: that made you left weight. You know why they was
Speaker 1: doing that because you had to acclimate your body to
Speaker 1: the college level of play. You got in college, you
Speaker 1: came to the pros, same thing. They made you get
Speaker 1: stronger for the lead. This is one of those processes
Speaker 1: that you gotta go through so that you can go
Speaker 1: deep into the playoffs and have some visions. That's all
Speaker 1: this is so, it's not the Celtics fault that. What
Speaker 1: do you mean not challenge? To be on the road
Speaker 1: down eighteen ain't a challenge. This is where the basketball
Speaker 1: people start to separate. This is where the watered oilers
Speaker 1: starts to separate. Y'all don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 1: Down eighteen is a You gotta be a monster to
Speaker 1: do that.
Speaker 3: The hey, they talking about Halliburn too.
Speaker 4: Really, McConnell and and and they Smill have been playing
Speaker 4: better than Halliburn and the whole playoffs anyway, So the
Speaker 4: best players are on the court. Halliburn have been playing
Speaker 4: that well. He's been turning the ball over in clutch moments.
Speaker 4: His shot ain't just been falling, you know what I'm saying. See,
Speaker 4: I can been here and there the best players. McConnell
Speaker 4: has been their best, most consistent player through the whole playoffs.
Speaker 3: Bro.
Speaker 4: So I don't I don't want to hear they talking
Speaker 4: about we didn't have Halliburn. The guys have been playing.
Speaker 4: The best was on the court.
Speaker 1: They was up eighteen, and the Pacers got all these excuses.
Speaker 3: I don't want to pass.
Speaker 1: Got majority of their whole team. You know what I'm
Speaker 1: saying they went up for completed Nick team, all that stuff.
Speaker 1: Everybody got here they hear, right, I want to hear
Speaker 1: none of else stuff they ain't on the Celtics to
Speaker 1: who got hurt and all else. They're getting the best
Speaker 1: right from the players that are on the floor, from
Speaker 1: the pacers, and that's all that matters. So you know what,
Speaker 1: it's what it is, and they're battle tested to be
Speaker 1: able to come down, be down eighteen on the road
Speaker 1: and this sh that's something. I don't know what ever,
Speaker 1: I think that is. I don't know if you just
Speaker 1: think you can click the microwave button and in a minute,
Speaker 1: is he Isna? Nah, bro, you got to put the
Speaker 1: ball in the basket and you gotta convert it. You
Speaker 1: gotta get stops, and then you got to be able
Speaker 1: to win, to hit free throws. That's how I know
Speaker 1: for me to get you out of here.
Speaker 2: What does this mean to Jason Tatum? Some of who
Speaker 2: I feel is overlooked in the grand scheme of things.
Speaker 2: As one of the best players in the world. He's
Speaker 2: been to the Eastern Conference Finals a whole handful of
Speaker 2: times in his short career. What would it mean to
Speaker 2: him to get over this hump.
Speaker 1: I think you put them in another class. I think
Speaker 1: he puts them ahead of his peers, and he and
Speaker 1: in those piers. I'm looking at Anthony Edwards, I'm looking
Speaker 1: at the Cats, I'm looking at the Max. He's there, Beads.
Speaker 1: You know, he has a young class that he's in
Speaker 1: that every one of those guys that are just named
Speaker 1: is trying to separate themselves. And that separation is how
Speaker 1: you is when you start winning championships polo. You know,
Speaker 1: the young people, the young guys down in Miami, the
Speaker 1: young okc Conda, you know Shade, and it's a the
Speaker 1: Jalen Greens and the Jabbari's. You know, it's a bunch
Speaker 1: of young guys that's seen a group that everybody's trying
Speaker 1: to see, Hey, how can I take the next step?
Speaker 1: And the next step is winning. Jaylen Brown and Jason
Speaker 1: Tatum have a chance to be able to start their process.
Speaker 1: They are the most out of all the young guys,
Speaker 1: they are the most worthy. They They've had more conference
Speaker 1: finals and more playoff experans more than any of those
Speaker 1: young guys. So this is part of the process. I
Speaker 1: think they're up next. This is their this is their
Speaker 1: chance to kind of create their own dynasty these next
Speaker 1: three to four years. This is it right here, this
Speaker 1: is their window.
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Speaker 2: Jack, Before we get out of here. Apple Music is
Speaker 2: at it again. Their top one hundred albums and History
Speaker 2: was released, and I'm gonna give you the top ten
Speaker 2: and We're gonna nit pick.
Speaker 5: Coming into number ten Beyonce.
Speaker 2: And Lemonade, Nirvana, never Mind, Amy Whinehouse, Back to Black,
Speaker 2: Kendrick Lamar, Good Kid Man City, Stevie Wonder Songs and
Speaker 2: The Key of Life, Frank Ocean Blonde, Prince Purple Rain,
Speaker 2: The Beatles, Abbey Road, Michael Jackson's Thriller comes into number two,
Speaker 2: and the number one album by Apple Music of all
Speaker 2: time is The mis Education of Lauren Hill. You don't
Speaker 2: look happy, Jack, every time we do this music, you
Speaker 2: don't really no.
Speaker 4: No, no, I'm shaking my head like, how can you
Speaker 4: go wrong? You got mis education Lauren Hill number one
Speaker 4: and Mike number two.
Speaker 3: That's a great list.
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, so you are, but I okay, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: challenge you. I don't see no jay Z in here.
Speaker 2: I don't see I don't see no Early. I don't
Speaker 2: see no Pok. I don't see no Early, Kanye West.
Speaker 2: I don't see who is who else? I don't know I
Speaker 2: see Park jay Z.
Speaker 3: I'm just going just park nobody. That top Yeah, that
Speaker 3: top ten.
Speaker 4: I think I think Frank Oc can come out of
Speaker 4: there and uh.
Speaker 3: And no Biggie, No No.
Speaker 2: They didn't give us enough though, just part I think
Speaker 2: a lot of I've been seeing a lot of people
Speaker 2: question but this was my ship when it came Good Kid,
Speaker 2: Mad City. I think that was a great album. I
Speaker 2: think a lot of people are questioning that at number seven.
Speaker 2: Is it because of what just happened or is it
Speaker 2: because he earned it? But I was a huge I
Speaker 2: mean that that ship. Ibought that ship for a year straight.
Speaker 4: You can't go wrong with Stevie Wonda and uh, Prince
Speaker 4: eis all that? All that, even the Beatles in Nirvana,
Speaker 4: all that's solid.
Speaker 2: Nirvana was my high school. I went to high school
Speaker 2: with all white kids. There was always all that. Ye Bill,
Speaker 2: you can't go against the Beatles.
Speaker 3: Come on.
Speaker 2: Congratulations to everybody who made the list, particularly the top ten.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 2: Shout out Lauryn Hill. I'm still sad, jack we only
Speaker 2: got one from her. Hopefully one day she'll we'll get
Speaker 2: another one. Just throwing up that that that lets you
Speaker 2: know how cold she is on the album The One Life.
Speaker 3: All the time.
Speaker 2: Like some motherfuckers put out fifty albums, thirty albums, twenty
Speaker 2: albums and can't get one that she put out one
Speaker 2: that that changed the game. So shout out miss Lauren Hill.
Speaker 3: No skips, come on the show please.
Speaker 5: That'd be dope.
Speaker 2: What would be your personal would you change number one?
Speaker 2: Do you have a personal? You would keep it there?
Speaker 4: I listened to the album all the time. She's one
Speaker 4: of my favorites. Michael Jackson number two. I listened to
Speaker 4: the album to it. So no, that's like I said,
Speaker 4: I I put pock in there and take frank Oceana.
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