1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:04,560 Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants. Let's Giants. Dont 2 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:08,079 Speaker 1: on my giants bubbling, give me some jump. Part of 3 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 1: the Giants Podcast Network. Let's Roll. 4 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 2: Welcome to the Giants Little podcast brought to you by Citizens, 5 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 2: the official bank of the New York Football Giants. 6 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:17,120 Speaker 1: Johnsh Belk, joined by the King. Just look at a shirt, 7 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 1: you know this guy is it's bald these breakdowns. 8 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:23,079 Speaker 3: I gotta I gotta get some free advertising. Shameless advertising. 9 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 2: Brian balde Are from an NFL network. Baldy is good 10 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 2: to see you, man. How's your off season been. 11 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 3: You know, it's been good, Giants, It's been good. It 12 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 3: always goes by too fast, you know. I mean here 13 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 3: we are right at the finish of this offseason. So 14 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:37,159 Speaker 3: but it's okay, though I've had a good you know, 15 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 3: this thing just flows, you know, I mean, whether it's 16 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:43,159 Speaker 3: you know, the combine and then the Pro days and 17 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 3: the draft and schedule and it's just like you just 18 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 3: got this thing like kind of greased where you just 19 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:49,840 Speaker 3: all of a sudden, it's it's the middle of June. 20 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:52,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, it comes fast, and now all of us kind 21 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 2: of get our six weeks to step aside. We're recording 22 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:56,920 Speaker 2: this after the Giants final mini camp practice, Baldi came 23 00:00:57,040 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 2: checked it out. Unfortunately for you, not a ton and 24 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 2: in terms of team and full speed stuff today, but 25 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 2: give the fans a quick impression of what you saw. 26 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 3: Well, the first thing I saw before they started their 27 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 3: stretch today, John, I don't know if you saw it 28 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 3: or not. They had this one period where it's just 29 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 3: like this big play period and I saw Daniel Jones. 30 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:15,959 Speaker 3: They hit Jalen Hyatt like fifty yards down the field 31 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 3: and then they ended up throwing a touchdown past the 32 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 3: next play and then they kind of broke So, you know, 33 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 3: just good seeing Daniel Jones throwing the ball. I think 34 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 3: for any Giant fan, the fact that he doesn't have 35 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 3: a brace on his knee, just got a sleeve, you know. 36 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:31,680 Speaker 3: I mean, it looks like the rehabilitation is on schedule. 37 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:34,320 Speaker 3: And then just looking at the new guys, Miliek obviously 38 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 3: you want to kind of watch him just his movement. 39 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 3: That's the first thing that caught my eye was just 40 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 3: his movement, changed direction, catches the ball with his hands, 41 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 3: looking at Tyler Nubman back there at safety, Drew Phillips 42 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 3: looking at Jermaine luminar at left guard, running at right guard. 43 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 3: Just looking at the new faces here right now. 44 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 2: Absolutely all right, well you brought the offense first. Why 45 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 2: don't we touch that first real quick? Daniel Jones, you 46 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 2: had a good year two years ago. Last year, much 47 00:01:57,800 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 2: like the rest of the offense, was a bit of 48 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 2: a this because the pieces around him just everything fell 49 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 2: apart at once, right. 50 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 3: Well, it fell apart in the opening game. 51 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, first, the opening game, first series. 52 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 3: First, I mean, kiel and there's Andrew you know, like 53 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 3: grabbing his hamstrength. I mean, it's just you know, and 54 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 3: then John Michael got hurt, and Saquan got hurt, and Dan, 55 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 3: like you know, it fell apart. It was hard, kind 56 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 3: of a tough evaluation, to be honest. 57 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 2: Well, and that's the question I was gonna ask you, 58 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 2: because I watched the tape every game Monday. You watched 59 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 2: the tape of all these games, And honestly, I have 60 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 2: trouble taking anything substantial out of Daniel Jones's tape last 61 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 2: year just because of what those five or six games 62 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 2: did he played in looked like on tape, and what 63 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 2: was going on around him. I just can't change my 64 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 2: mind much from what I saw the previous year, because 65 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 2: last year is just so messy. 66 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 3: It was ugly, It was really ugly. There were games 67 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 3: where you go, like I remember the game in New 68 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:53,239 Speaker 3: Orleans last year, and like, you know, like they ran 69 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 3: the same blitz over and over again. They couldn't pick 70 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 3: it up, and so you know, John Michael was out 71 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 3: did whatever in there. But it was just hard. You know, 72 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 3: the quarterbacks got sacked eighty five times, you know, the 73 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 3: quarterbacks that played last year, to Rod and you know 74 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 3: Tommy and you know, so it was just it's just tough, 75 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:11,959 Speaker 3: Like nobody wants to go through any kind of a 76 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 3: year like that. Again, I know that Andrew Thomas is 77 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 3: a good player, of course, really good player, and you 78 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 3: know he got back into form and started looking like 79 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:21,960 Speaker 3: what he did the year before. And so now it's 80 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:25,639 Speaker 3: a question of how quickly can they put this group together? 81 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 3: To me, you know, and that's really to me what 82 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 3: preseasons got about. I talked to Carmen today, the new 83 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 3: offensive line coach. Been around this league, He's coached some 84 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 3: of these guys, he's got his techniques. How quickly can 85 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 3: those five guys, including the tight ends, how quickly can 86 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 3: they come together and just win the line of start 87 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 3: winning the line of scrimmage. 88 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 2: And look, we got to see what Evan Neil is 89 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 2: a right tackle. He hasn't done a whole lot in 90 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 2: the offseason. You hope he's going to come back, and 91 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 2: we'll get to him specifically in a second. But how 92 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 2: much baldy of a difference can the new offensive line 93 00:03:56,760 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 2: coach make in conjunction with bringing in two veteran guards 94 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 2: to help suppleman Andrew Thomas, You to your mentioned as 95 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 2: ready a really good player and help out your two 96 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 2: youngsters jms at center and then they know right tackle, 97 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 2: what kind of substantive difference And how can those guys 98 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 2: specifically carn Basol and make a defense make a difference 99 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 2: with a unilite that very quickly? 100 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, first of all, you want you're only 101 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 3: going to be as good up front as your center. 102 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 3: So when your center is making all the calls, everybody 103 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:28,600 Speaker 3: knows exactly where they're going. Can be stout against you know, 104 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:32,159 Speaker 3: one technique's nose tackles that can be stout and you 105 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 3: could keep that pocket just flat up front? Quarterbacks, can 106 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:40,160 Speaker 3: you want to come off the edgic quarterbacks? Daniel Jones 107 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 3: in his In this league, the good quarterbacks they can 108 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:44,360 Speaker 3: avoid the outside. 109 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:45,280 Speaker 1: Pressure because you can step up. 110 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 3: You could, you could step up, but you need to 111 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:48,480 Speaker 3: be able to step up. 112 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:49,039 Speaker 1: You need depth. 113 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 3: You need that depth. So you got to you got 114 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:53,359 Speaker 3: to keep that front flat. In fact, I was talking 115 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 3: to Jermaine today, Illuminar, and you know he was asking 116 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:58,679 Speaker 3: you know, I was asking him about going up against 117 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:01,159 Speaker 3: Texa Lawrence. So you know, Dexe Lawrence is a freak 118 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:02,840 Speaker 3: in his business. I mean, there's just not many guys 119 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 3: in this league. There are three hundred and sixty pounds 120 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 3: that can rush the passer, of course, so you what 121 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 3: you have to do to a guy like that, You 122 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:10,720 Speaker 3: have to almost run block him every play. You can't 123 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 3: let him get any kind of a steam coming at you. 124 00:05:14,040 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 3: And so when I was talked about keeping that pocket flat, 125 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:18,719 Speaker 3: it's some of it is game planning against going against 126 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 3: some of the monsters up front that you got to see. 127 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 3: You can't let those guys basically start leaking into the quarterbacks, 128 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:28,159 Speaker 3: you know, feet and steps where he can't step up 129 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:29,040 Speaker 3: and make these throws. 130 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:32,159 Speaker 4: You're ready for a change. Payday comes early with citizens, 131 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 4: So go to that retreat. Knew you moves to the country. 132 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:39,720 Speaker 4: Now you're raising goats and launching a lifestyle brand. Are 133 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 4: you ready for all that life breaks? 134 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 1: Absolutely? What do you think of John Michael Schmidt? 135 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 2: I know you evaluate him as a player coming out 136 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:50,839 Speaker 2: last year first year, some real rough patches for a rookie. 137 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:53,200 Speaker 2: And I talked to him last week and both he said, look, 138 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 2: the first season for me, it didn't go as well 139 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 2: as I wanted to. 140 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 1: But what did you think of him overall as a 141 00:05:57,560 --> 00:05:58,720 Speaker 1: player coming out and what. 142 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:00,719 Speaker 3: His coming out of a minute? So, look, there was 143 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:03,039 Speaker 3: you know, Joe Tipman, there was a couple guys last 144 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 3: year that all came out. Sure they all got a 145 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:07,479 Speaker 3: chance to play. I think they all kind of you know, 146 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 3: sawid this thing was gonna be a lot different than college, 147 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 3: which it is obviously, But I think you know what 148 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 3: you want is you want to identify, like your job 149 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:19,719 Speaker 3: is to basically identify the fronts, make the calls, make 150 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:22,920 Speaker 3: the checks, you know, when a play does come in late, 151 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 3: to be able to redirect everybody, so everybody's stepping together. 152 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 3: So I thought it was tough because of all the 153 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:32,600 Speaker 3: changes and all the personnel groups. Like I think if 154 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:35,039 Speaker 3: you could get Jermaine and John in there. John's a 155 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 3: very smart player. I've known John a long time. I've 156 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:40,840 Speaker 3: worked out with him down there in South Jersey. He's 157 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:43,480 Speaker 3: a very very smart player, and he's been a consistent player. 158 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 3: So I think what you're looking for is consistency and 159 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 3: intelligence where you're not beating yourself, where you know, the blitz, 160 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:54,479 Speaker 3: the a gap pressure, none of that stuff is affecting you. 161 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 3: They want to mug that gap, they want to come, 162 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:57,919 Speaker 3: they don't want to come. You got to have an 163 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 3: answer for all of that stuff. You're going to see everything, 164 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 3: and so I think, you know, John Michael, I think 165 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 3: got a chance to see a lot of that that 166 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:06,920 Speaker 3: he never saw when he was in the Big Ten. 167 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:09,120 Speaker 2: And to your point, the Giants struggled a lot with 168 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 2: twist and stunts over the past couple of years, Baldy. 169 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 3: They know withink, yeah, I mean they come in different ways. 170 00:07:13,960 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 2: They could, and the Giants offensive line struggled picking them 171 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 2: up in game situations too. How much can an addition 172 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 2: of a guy like Caren Brisillo resetting what your pass 173 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 2: protection rules are, how you handle those things, then maybe 174 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 2: tweaking some overall technique, how much can that make a 175 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 2: difference in terms of getting you playing. 176 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:31,040 Speaker 3: Walt Comer is a good coach. I talked to him 177 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 3: before practice today. He's been around. He knows how to teach, 178 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 3: you know, individual techniques, coach the group. The big thing 179 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 3: for Carmen right now is a can he get five 180 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 3: guys to line up and play week in week out? 181 00:07:42,920 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 3: For example, like the Kansas City Chiefs have basically lined 182 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 3: up with Tray Smith and you know, all their guys 183 00:07:48,360 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 3: up front for their three inside guys basically almost every 184 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 3: play for the last three years. So like, can he 185 00:07:56,640 --> 00:08:00,120 Speaker 3: get five guys that can grow together as one? That 186 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 3: that's one, and then the big thing for karm is, Okay, 187 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 3: you know you're in a dog fight. It's Sunday afternoon's 188 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 3: third quarter. You've got to fix things. You can't get 189 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 3: to the mic linebacker in this run? How we get 190 00:08:11,320 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 3: into the mic? Are we folding this thing? Like? To 191 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 3: make the adjustments that you have to make game day. 192 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 3: That's when it's one thing to build the line, to 193 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 3: teach the techniques and all that to make you a 194 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 3: better individual player. It's another thing game day. You gotta 195 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 3: fix things when things aren't going well. 196 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, final one on the offensive line, Evan Neil. 197 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 2: He's had his struggles though the first couple of years. 198 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 2: Joe Shane said this offseason, Baldy he needs to play better. 199 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 2: The Giants name to play better. He's battled knee injury 200 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 2: his first year, he did an ankle injury last year. 201 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 2: He hasn't done a lot this offseason, which you know, 202 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 2: I talked to him last week. 203 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: You know reps. He says, I've lost a lot of reps. 204 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 2: And I wish I had him from you watching him 205 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 2: from a fundamental standpoint, what are some of the things 206 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:54,960 Speaker 2: fundamentally that he has to do better to be a 207 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 2: more consistent pass protect. 208 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 3: Well, you'd like to see him. You'd like to see 209 00:08:57,840 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 3: him have quicker feet. And if you don't, if you 210 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 3: can't quit, can your footwork like you'd like to be. 211 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 3: You'd like to see your sets consistent, consistent sets, and 212 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 3: so sometimes you have to adjust your set to the elite. 213 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 3: Like the right tackles in this league right now go 214 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 3: against better pass rushers than left tackles do. It's just 215 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:19,600 Speaker 3: the way it is right now. If you were playing 216 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 3: Philly the last three years, you saw Hassan Redik, you. 217 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 1: Made a Lumino talk about it. Hey Feates, Max Crosby 218 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:24,959 Speaker 1: right tackle. 219 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 3: Now you're gonna see TJ. Watt. You're gonna see the 220 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 3: best right now at right tackle. So and these guys 221 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 3: are all different, so you have to be able to 222 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 3: gain plan that. But it starts with your set and 223 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:39,679 Speaker 3: understanding the contact point, how you're hitting them, how you're stopping. 224 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:43,520 Speaker 3: Because every pass rusher wants to beat you inside, and 225 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:45,319 Speaker 3: so if they could beat you inside the Cats, that's 226 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:47,680 Speaker 3: quick as rop to the quarterback. So you've got to 227 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 3: take the inside away. Yet these guys know how to 228 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:52,960 Speaker 3: ghost to dip. You got to be able to handle 229 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 3: the guys coming around the edge too, and how low 230 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 3: they can get. You know, if you're going up against 231 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 3: Bryce Huff and the Jets or like, these guys excellent 232 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 3: takeoffs and they can dip and they can rip, and 233 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:09,559 Speaker 3: so it's got to start with taking the inside away 234 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 3: and then once they start coming to the outside, you 235 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:14,599 Speaker 3: got to you got to be able to run the 236 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:16,680 Speaker 3: horn and you got to stay between your I like 237 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 3: freezing John the tape when the quarterback releases the ball 238 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 3: and where the pass rusher is when the ball is released. 239 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:25,199 Speaker 3: You want to see a separation. I don't care if 240 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 3: it's eight inches. I want I want separation between that 241 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 3: pass rusher in my quarterback and he's got to get 242 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 3: better at that. And then look, he was a good 243 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:37,599 Speaker 3: run blocker at Alabama, like I want to see him. No, 244 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 3: it hasn't helped that he's had different tight ends and 245 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 3: different guards. But you want to start seeing a relationship 246 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 3: with John Runyan developed in the run game, whether it's 247 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 3: combo blocking for power plays, whether it's zone blocking in 248 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 3: your stretch plays. You want to see consistent steps and 249 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:57,440 Speaker 3: movement at the point of attack. 250 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:01,599 Speaker 2: Absolutely offense, real quickly, Baldy. Before we move over to 251 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 2: the defensive side of the world. By the way, first 252 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:05,560 Speaker 2: of all, folks, Giants have their big event at MSG 253 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:07,079 Speaker 2: the evening of June twentieth. 254 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:08,440 Speaker 1: It's Our Night with Champions. 255 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 2: A bunch of former Giants are going to be there 256 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 2: celebrate the Giant one hundred season. Make sure you go 257 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:14,840 Speaker 2: buy your tickets at ticketmaster dot com. 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For 265 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 2: the first time in a while, Baldy, I think this 266 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 2: Giants wide receiver group can be a strength of this team. 267 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 1: And I don't know when the last time. 268 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:34,840 Speaker 2: Is we could say that, but they got some pretty good, 269 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 2: fun young pieces here that I'm pretty excited about. 270 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, just looking at how it lined up today, 271 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 3: I mean, you got Malik at right, you know, split end, 272 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:44,960 Speaker 3: you see Jailing at left, you see Windale on the slot. 273 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 3: Slayton's out there, Like, I mean, you can line up 274 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 3: with three guys, I think that can win. You know, 275 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 3: I'm looking for Jailing to take a step up. This 276 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:55,680 Speaker 3: year didn't help with all the situations. But I just 277 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 3: watching Malik, like I thought this was an elite group 278 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 3: at the top of this draft agreed and so on 279 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:04,959 Speaker 3: any given day you could said Malik was the best. 280 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 3: On any given day, you could have said that about 281 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 3: Rome or Marvin Harrison, regardless, they're all going to be 282 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 3: kind of judged together and so but I think Malik 283 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 3: has that ability after the catch to be special. We 284 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:20,199 Speaker 3: haven't really seen that in the Giants since Odell was 285 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:23,079 Speaker 3: a young player here where after the catch you had 286 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 3: to kind of hold your breath to see what he 287 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:27,079 Speaker 3: was going to do with the ball, and that's how 288 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 3: he became the all time leading receiver at LSU. So 289 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 3: I think the fact that I just saw some you know, 290 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 3: some quick screen, some hitches out there to get the 291 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 3: ball in his hands. I think you've got three guys, 292 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 3: and Wandale is an excellent slot receiver. So I feel 293 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 3: like you've got three guys out there that can beat 294 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 3: you with their routes, that can beat you with their quickness, 295 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 3: that can win after the catch. 296 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 2: All right, let's jump the defense, and I think what 297 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 2: should be the strength of this team, Bald is your 298 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 2: players up front. You already mentioned Dexter Lawrence, he Ed, 299 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 2: Brian Burns, Keveon Tibideau is back. You hope you can 300 00:12:56,679 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 2: keep his easosial Lai healthy, have a bunch of other 301 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:01,440 Speaker 2: bodies you can play inside this. If everything goes right, 302 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:06,440 Speaker 2: they could start approaching the fronts that they have in 303 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 2: the NFC East. Right, whether it's Washington, it's not quite 304 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 2: the same. They've lost montest Weat and all that stuff. 305 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 2: Cowboys a good front Eagles a good front. I feel 306 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 2: like the Giants are building their personnel where they can 307 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 2: start competing with those other. 308 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 3: PEOs you need, like I think they you know, I'm 309 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 3: going to see who wins the three techniques. 310 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, me too, I'm curious to see that too. 311 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 3: I mean, so's such an important position for so many 312 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:27,079 Speaker 3: different reasons because most of the protections are set to 313 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 3: the three technique, especially if he is a is just 314 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 3: a beast. Like in Philly they got Jalen Carter. 315 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 1: And the Giants had Leondar Williams there he left. 316 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 3: Ye, So I mean, if if Leonard was here, like 317 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:39,560 Speaker 3: I'd say, it's really complete. But we can't, you know, 318 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 3: play like that. You need three guys and so, like 319 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 3: I think Brian Burns had a guy in Carolina and 320 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:49,320 Speaker 3: Derek Brown who was almost unblockable. He had over one 321 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 3: hundred tackles last year. Like it allowed him to do 322 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 3: some things. But I think Kaevon needs like we've been 323 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:58,079 Speaker 3: waiting on disease. The injuries have slowed him down, But 324 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 3: Kaevon needs a guy opposite him, and he needs a 325 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:04,320 Speaker 3: guy inside I think to really be the most effective 326 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 3: that he can be. But it does start upfront. And 327 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 3: what you want, though, is you want to be able 328 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 3: to Everybody has got depth. Everybody is building that group 329 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:17,319 Speaker 3: to be seven eight deep. You're dressing eight defensive lignment now, 330 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 3: and really it's a seventeen game schedule. We want to 331 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 3: get him through the season and then hopefully to the postseason. 332 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 3: But you know you want to be able to run them. 333 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 3: There's only certain guys that you know, a Max Crosby 334 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 3: and Nick you know can play eighty ninety percent of 335 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 3: the snaps for more. It's hard to do that, but 336 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 3: so that you want, you want depth along that defensive 337 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 3: front so that things don't go awry when those guys 338 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 3: are taking the rest. 339 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 4: You love turf, You're good at it, so you start 340 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 4: a turf bus business grows, your savings grow, become the 341 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 4: most celebrated name in turf. Are you ready for all 342 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 4: that life brings? 343 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 1: Feboo season coming, So it was the next college semester. 344 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 2: If you need funding, a Citizen Student loan could help 345 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 2: you pay for one hundred percent of your school certified costs. 346 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 2: Get your great quoting about two minutes at citizensbank dot com, 347 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 2: slash pay for college Baldy, I feel like Bobby Ocakes 348 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:15,200 Speaker 2: season got lost last year a little bit. He played 349 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 2: damn well, and I'm curious to seeing in Shane Bowen's 350 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 2: new defensive system how he's going to be impacted. 351 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 1: I know there's a lot more zone, there's gonna be 352 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 1: a lot probably less blitzing. 353 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 2: Obviously, How do you think Bobby o'kuake is going to 354 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 2: fit into what Shane bonenes asking the defense? 355 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 3: I mean, I think I think Bobby can play in 356 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 3: any system. I okay, I mean, I just think he's 357 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 3: a natural mic linebacker. He's super smart. He sees the 358 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 3: play before it begins, like like I want to. I 359 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 3: don't want to compare him to Fred Warner. There's only 360 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 3: one Fred Warner in his business that he plays every snap, 361 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 3: every year, every game. Now Bobby has been healthy. He 362 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 3: played every snap last year and it was a blitz 363 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 3: scheme and so he had he had to cover a lot. 364 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 3: Now he did blitz some, but he had to cover 365 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 3: a lot in a lot of ground in what Wink 366 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 3: was doing. You're not can see those kind of blitzes 367 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 3: in those kind of schemes. But I think every inside 368 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 3: linebacker needs a partner. I don't know if it's Micah 369 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 3: right now, like who that is? McFadden that is, But 370 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 3: like I, every single inside off the ball inside linebacker 371 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 3: needs a partner. He could play next to you and 372 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 3: Indiad Chack Leonard Shack was a playmaker, Like I feel 373 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 3: like Bobby can fill up the stat sheet with some 374 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 3: of the best off the ball inside linebackers in this business. 375 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 2: Secondary Shane Bowen like we spoke about a lot more zone, 376 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 2: a good combination of match zone, spot zone, but a 377 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 2: lot of splits safety. They'll mix it up cover two, 378 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 2: cover four, cover six, and he said today they'll be 379 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 2: very variable. They won't show anything pre snapped and all 380 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 2: of a sudden the snap, you get into your zone 381 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 2: and you figure things out. So what should be the 382 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 2: important things we watch for a ball when we get 383 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 2: to camp for these corners to be good at as 384 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 2: there really is an open competition for the starting nickel 385 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 2: spot and for the starting outside spot next to Deancy back. 386 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 3: Well, they're young, they're very young back there. You know 387 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 3: you might be counting on, you know, the rookie and 388 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 3: Tyler Nuban might be counting on Drew Phillip yep. So 389 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:04,439 Speaker 3: they're young. So we'll see what Trey Hawkins is like 390 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 3: you know, in the second year, like obviously he got 391 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:09,359 Speaker 3: thrown into the last year probably one of the. 392 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 1: Best thing for him, but a little fastter for him 393 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:10,959 Speaker 1: last year. 394 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:14,439 Speaker 3: Okay, but regardless, I mean, he's a talented kid. You 395 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:18,160 Speaker 3: know you want to. But here's the thing is if 396 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 3: you blow coverages or mistackles, you give up touchdowns are 397 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 3: big plays. It falls on the secondary. So the big 398 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 3: thing is communication and with young guys, can you communicate 399 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:33,480 Speaker 3: Like I saw where Tyler Newman is wearing number thirty 400 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 3: one for Antoine Winfield Junior. Like you go out to 401 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 3: watch Tampa practice, you can hear Antoine from the cheap 402 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:43,800 Speaker 3: seats like he's making sure everybody understands. One thing to 403 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:47,360 Speaker 3: listen for throughout this training camp coming up is can 404 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 3: you hear the communication back there because if they're not 405 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:54,160 Speaker 3: communicating because this matchup zone. Look, Baltimore ran it better 406 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 3: than anybody last year and it led to the number 407 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 3: one defensive football and the team that led the league 408 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:01,400 Speaker 3: in sacks. 409 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 1: And you got a head coaching job out of it, 410 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:03,200 Speaker 1: by the way. 411 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 3: Yes he did so. But it makes the quarterback hold 412 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:07,359 Speaker 3: the ball. So what you do is, you know you 413 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 3: kind of give him a two high shell and then 414 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 3: it's a snap. Now you move and now you sort 415 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:15,679 Speaker 3: of declare what you're in. Now that that takes timing 416 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 3: and it takes a lot of confidence to get to 417 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:19,919 Speaker 3: your spot off of that, you're not lining up in it. 418 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 3: You don't want the quarterback to know until the ball. 419 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:26,160 Speaker 3: So tho, those are fundamentals of shaying that's fine. 420 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 1: You got to execute it now, absolutely, and we'll see 421 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 1: if they can do it. Baldy. 422 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 2: This was fun, man, and this will not be, by 423 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 2: the way, the last time you see Baldy on our 424 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 2: programming this year, So stay tuned once we get to 425 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 2: training camp, if Baldy makes an appeance, you will talk 426 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:41,440 Speaker 2: to him again. Then the regular season, even folks, you'll 427 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:43,920 Speaker 2: be hearing Baldy on the Giants Hottle podcast and maybe 428 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 2: even seeing some stuff on social media YouTube, Twitter, some 429 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 2: of those things that he talks about on his T 430 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:49,360 Speaker 2: shirt there. 431 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:50,880 Speaker 1: So we can't wait for it. 432 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 2: Great to have Baldy on board with us and we'll 433 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 2: talk you next time the Johns Tottle Podcast. 434 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 1: Everybody