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<v Speaker 1>Good morning, peeps, and welcome to Okay F Daily with

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<v Speaker 1>Meet your Girl Danielle Moody, Recording from the Bunker the folks.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to start off by saying that when at

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<v Speaker 1>the time of this recording, the January sixth primetime hearing

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<v Speaker 1>has not happened yet. But m folks, I want to

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<v Speaker 1>alert you to a couple of stories that are not

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<v Speaker 1>making the kind of press that I think that they should,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly as the January sixth committee will rap, And honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>we really don't know if this is actually this eighth

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<v Speaker 1>hearing is a rap or it is a rap four

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<v Speaker 1>right now, because what we have seen is that over

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<v Speaker 1>the course of the last eight hearings, more information comes out,

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<v Speaker 1>more people come forward, more testimony is given, and then boom,

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<v Speaker 1>another public hearing. We do know that the that the

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<v Speaker 1>committee is up against the clock, given that if midterm

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<v Speaker 1>elections go in the direction of Republicans, we know that

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<v Speaker 1>this committee's work will be done and this committee will

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<v Speaker 1>be disbanded and Republicans will proceed with a whole bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of bullshit that probably looks like Benghazi on crack. So

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<v Speaker 1>I want to bring to your attention a story that

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<v Speaker 1>I found to be really troubling at science dot org.

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<v Speaker 1>And it is this The title of the Science Insider

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<v Speaker 1>story is half of Americans anticipate a US civil war soon,

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<v Speaker 1>half of those that were surveyed. And I want to

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<v Speaker 1>bring you I'm going to read the first couple of

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<v Speaker 1>paragraphs because I think that one, this is really fucking alarming.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's also what we have been talking about on

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<v Speaker 1>this show for quite some time, and particularly if you

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<v Speaker 1>were listening back to me. You know, four years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>four five years ago, when Donald Trump first became president

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<v Speaker 1>of the United States, I said that everything in the

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<v Speaker 1>United States was going to get bloodier before it got better.

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<v Speaker 1>Lo and behold. I had no idea at the time

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<v Speaker 1>that I was saying this that we would see it

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<v Speaker 1>an insurrection, that we would see a rise in violence

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<v Speaker 1>across this country, that we would have a pandemic and

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<v Speaker 1>there would be a rise in gun sales, that racial

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<v Speaker 1>resentment and racism would go through the roof, that all

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<v Speaker 1>of these things would happen. I thought, you know, that

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<v Speaker 1>things would get really bad, but all of these things,

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<v Speaker 1>that just the number of things that have happened over

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<v Speaker 1>the last five years, in any one year would be historic.

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<v Speaker 1>We've experienced more quote unquote history in this short time

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<v Speaker 1>period than I think any other generation has in this country,

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<v Speaker 1>and so we shouldn't when we see articles like the

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<v Speaker 1>one I'm about to delve into, just shrug and say, oh, well,

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<v Speaker 1>that's hyperbolic. No it's not. And we've all experienced what

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<v Speaker 1>happens when we ignore things the first fucking time around.

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<v Speaker 1>So here it is. Violence can be seen to be

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<v Speaker 1>everywhere in the United States, and political violence is in

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<v Speaker 1>the spotlight with January six, twenty twenty one, it's insurrection

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<v Speaker 1>as exhibit A. Now, a large study confirms one in

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<v Speaker 1>five Americans. One in five Americans believes violence motivated by

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<v Speaker 1>political reason is at least sometimes justified. Nearly half expect

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<v Speaker 1>a civil war, and many say they would trade democracy

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<v Speaker 1>for a strong leader. A pre print posted found this

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<v Speaker 1>is not a study that's meant to shock, says Rachel Kleinfeld,

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<v Speaker 1>a political violence expert at the Carnegie Endowment for Interracial

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<v Speaker 1>Peace who was not involved in the research, But it

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<v Speaker 1>should be shocking. Firearm deaths in the United States grew

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<v Speaker 1>by nearly forty three percent between twenty ten and twenty twenty,

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<v Speaker 1>and gun sales surged during the coronavirus pandemic. Garren written Mute,

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<v Speaker 1>an emergency medicine physician and longtime gun violence researcher at

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<v Speaker 1>the University of California, Davis, wondered what those trends pretend

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<v Speaker 1>to civil unrest quote, sometimes being an er doc is

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<v Speaker 1>like being in the bowman on the Titanic going look

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<v Speaker 1>at that iceberg. He and his colleague surveyed more than

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<v Speaker 1>eighty six hundred adults in English and Spanish about their

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<v Speaker 1>views on democracy in the United States, racial attitudes in

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<v Speaker 1>the US society, and their own attitudes towards political violence.

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<v Speaker 1>The respondents or part of the IPSOS Knowledge Panel, an

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<v Speaker 1>online research panel that has been used widely, including by

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<v Speaker 1>whitten Mute for research on violence and firearm ownership. Although

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<v Speaker 1>almost all respondents thought it's important right, it's important for

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<v Speaker 1>the United States to remain a democracy, forty percent said

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<v Speaker 1>having a strong leader is more important. Half expect a

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<v Speaker 1>civil war in the United States in the next few years.

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<v Speaker 1>The fact that this is quote, the fact that basically

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<v Speaker 1>half the country is expecting a civil war is just chilling,

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<v Speaker 1>whitten Mute says, and many expect to take part if

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<v Speaker 1>found in a situation where they think violence is justified

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<v Speaker 1>to advance an important political objective. About one in five

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<v Speaker 1>respondents think they will likely be armed with a gun.

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<v Speaker 1>About seven percent of participants, which would correspond to about

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen million US adults, said they would be willing to

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<v Speaker 1>kill a person in such situation. Folks, what in the

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<v Speaker 1>entire fuck? Okay, it is one thing to read the

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<v Speaker 1>writing on the wall. It's one thing to rewatch throughout

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<v Speaker 1>all of these hearings, how violent the insurrectionists were, how

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<v Speaker 1>they were armed with knives and brass knuckles and guns

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<v Speaker 1>and zip ties and just preparing right, as was stated

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<v Speaker 1>by a Jason Hottentov from a former Proud Boy at

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<v Speaker 1>the seventh hearing, that they were preparing for this insurrection

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<v Speaker 1>to be the spark of a revolutionary war, to be

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<v Speaker 1>the spark of a civil war, and they were prepared

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<v Speaker 1>as such. And so it should be alarming that this

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<v Speaker 1>study that is done finds that forty percent of the

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<v Speaker 1>country scent of those surveyed, not forty percent of the country.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me say this again. Forty percent of those surveyed

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<v Speaker 1>said that having quote a strong leader is more important

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<v Speaker 1>than democracy. Now Here in the United states. We don't

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<v Speaker 1>know anything other than the flawed democratic system that we have.

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<v Speaker 1>If you have visited other countries that are under communism,

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<v Speaker 1>that are under a monarch, that are under varied forms

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<v Speaker 1>of government, and you actually talk to those people, they

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<v Speaker 1>would tell you how vastly different it is to live

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<v Speaker 1>in a country where you no longer have a voice

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<v Speaker 1>an opinion, where you no longer are protected in the

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<v Speaker 1>actions that you take against your government. And I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>talking about an armed fucking insurrection. I'm talking about peaceful protests,

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<v Speaker 1>the right to assemble. To think of people saying that

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<v Speaker 1>they would rather have a quote strong leader, then democracy

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<v Speaker 1>is chilling, But pretty much coincides with what we have

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<v Speaker 1>seen over the past five years with the destruction of

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<v Speaker 1>our democracy by the Republican Party, the rise of Trump

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<v Speaker 1>and Trumpism, and the belief that he alone can fix it. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>But what these people, I believe don't really get, because

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<v Speaker 1>of course we don't teach civics in any real understanding.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think that they really understand fundamentally what it

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<v Speaker 1>means to take away democracy and put in place one

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<v Speaker 1>person that gets to make a decision, right, and what

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<v Speaker 1>happens to the country what happens to agencies, what happens

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<v Speaker 1>to those social safety nets, what happens to your ability.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's just say you lose your job, as many did

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<v Speaker 1>during the pandemic, to get unemployment again. These are products

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<v Speaker 1>of what it means to function inside of a democracy

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<v Speaker 1>where the government is set up to help the people,

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<v Speaker 1>not help themselves. And what we know to be true

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<v Speaker 1>by virtue of the patterns of dictatorships and authoritarian regimes

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<v Speaker 1>and fascism around the globe is that it never actually

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<v Speaker 1>ends well, right, but that these people rise into power

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<v Speaker 1>at a time when there is such chaos on the

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<v Speaker 1>ground that people are just looking for anything that will

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<v Speaker 1>relieve their pain. Well, let's look at the plans that

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<v Speaker 1>Republicans have had in place right in order to sew unease,

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<v Speaker 1>in order to sew upheaval of our political norms, so

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<v Speaker 1>that they can create the conditions and the climate that

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<v Speaker 1>would have a Donald Trump, a Ron Desantists type come in,

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<v Speaker 1>as said quote unquote President. But what we know to

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<v Speaker 1>be true is that these people are organizing in plain sight.

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<v Speaker 1>They have been continuing along with their coup after their

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<v Speaker 1>foot soldiers have been picked up by the Department of Justice,

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<v Speaker 1>but that they have no qualms about going back to

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<v Speaker 1>right the roots of violence in order to get their

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<v Speaker 1>job done. So what should be alarming is that when

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<v Speaker 1>you look at Republican obstructionism, when you look at what

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<v Speaker 1>the Supreme Court has done with regard to a state's

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<v Speaker 1>ability to create its own gun laws, when you look

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<v Speaker 1>about the erosion of reproductive rights and the ability to

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<v Speaker 1>have an abortion, when you look at stories which I

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<v Speaker 1>will cover one another one which is a Walgreens worker

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<v Speaker 1>in Wisconsin said that he would not sell a customer

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<v Speaker 1>condoms because it was against his religious practice. I do

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<v Speaker 1>not understand how people understand that a democracy, when we

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<v Speaker 1>talk about freedom of religion, is not the freedom to

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<v Speaker 1>weaponize your religion against other people who do not subscribe

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<v Speaker 1>to the religion that you have. It means that you

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<v Speaker 1>who can, in fact, do worship however you see fit

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<v Speaker 1>and however you would like your family to see fit.

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<v Speaker 1>But that does not mean right that you get to

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<v Speaker 1>turn around and weaponize that religion against other people. Similarly,

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<v Speaker 1>so with the understanding of white supremacy and patriarchy in

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<v Speaker 1>this country and how it has been weaponized against people

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<v Speaker 1>of color, against black people in particular, against non Christians,

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<v Speaker 1>in particular, as a way to safeguard white people from

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<v Speaker 1>any course correction, from any responsibility and accountability. So long

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<v Speaker 1>as you continue to villainize, criminalize, and oppress those that

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<v Speaker 1>don't look like you, pray like you, love like you,

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<v Speaker 1>so on and so forth. So as the country in

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<v Speaker 1>so many ways is dealing with a rising cases of violence,

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<v Speaker 1>I think that one of the things that was also

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<v Speaker 1>said here is this quote. The findings are scary, but

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<v Speaker 1>not surprising. Kurt Braddock, who studies the psychology of extremist

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<v Speaker 1>communication at American University, wrote to an email in Science.

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<v Speaker 1>In recent years, he says the United States has seen

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<v Speaker 1>an increase in individual willingness to engage in violence. Homicides

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<v Speaker 1>in cities increased forty four percent forty four percent between

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<v Speaker 1>twenty nineteen and twenty twenty one, for instance, an attitude,

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<v Speaker 1>he says, is likely to spill into the political sphere. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>why has violence increased? It isn't because people have become

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<v Speaker 1>more violent. It is because our resources have become more limited. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>You're talking about inner cities where every single day we're

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<v Speaker 1>hearing about inflation, every single day we're hearing about the

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<v Speaker 1>housing crisis and the renters crisis right where people are

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<v Speaker 1>literally being put out of their homes and onto the

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<v Speaker 1>street because they can no longer afford to live because

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<v Speaker 1>their paychecks, if they still in fact have a job,

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<v Speaker 1>are not going as far as they used to. But

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<v Speaker 1>the increases in mortgages and rents continue to in and

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<v Speaker 1>yet you have the same needs that you did, but

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<v Speaker 1>the resources that you have no longer stretched that far.

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<v Speaker 1>And if we are continuing to in this country provide

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<v Speaker 1>let's say what the Biden administration did this week with

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<v Speaker 1>their quote unquote Law and Safety Plan, which is once

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<v Speaker 1>again award thirty seven billion dollars to law enforcement to

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<v Speaker 1>add one hundred thousand new cops on the street. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>as far as I know, cops don't help put food

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<v Speaker 1>on the fucking table. That money which Joe Biden is

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<v Speaker 1>always hell bent on fund the police, fund the police.

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<v Speaker 1>The police don't prevent crime, and they don't help support

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<v Speaker 1>any of the ways in which people in this country

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<v Speaker 1>are suffering from mental health and emotional instability because of

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<v Speaker 1>the compounded crises that we are in. So if you're

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<v Speaker 1>not going to get to the heart of the problem,

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<v Speaker 1>but then you're going to continue to throw money after

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<v Speaker 1>the bad people who cause more problems than they actually solve. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>how do you think that we are going to get

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<v Speaker 1>anywhere other than the place that we are headed, which

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<v Speaker 1>is no good right, which is rising anxiety, depression, stress,

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<v Speaker 1>joblessness or inflation right, increased prices, homelessness, drug use, all

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<v Speaker 1>of these things are on the rise. But we find

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<v Speaker 1>that the most important thing to do is throw more money,

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<v Speaker 1>throw good money after bad as it pertains to law enforcement. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, in this report, basically what it's saying

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<v Speaker 1>is that there's a reason for our nervousness. There's a

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<v Speaker 1>reason that we are so at that we're so uneasy, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's the fact that things continue to get worse.

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<v Speaker 1>No one seems to be making a plan for how

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<v Speaker 1>they get better, and they continue to fund the same

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<v Speaker 1>shit that actually causes more pain that it takes away.

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<v Speaker 1>So how do we envision that we're not headed to

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<v Speaker 1>some type of really horrific war, which the way I

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<v Speaker 1>think will most likely coincide with the next presidential election. Right, So,

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<v Speaker 1>if Republicans take back the House and the Senate take

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<v Speaker 1>back Congress launch their bullshit, which they will do, then

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<v Speaker 1>we head into an unprotected presidential election that we know

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<v Speaker 1>will be rigged. We know what the states are already

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<v Speaker 1>planning and who have organized. How do we not think

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<v Speaker 1>that violence is going to ensue? And if in that

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<v Speaker 1>entire time we have a Department of Justice that continues

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<v Speaker 1>to look away from white supremist extremist violence, that continues

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<v Speaker 1>to not do anything in terms of holding the people,

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<v Speaker 1>the architects, including Donald Trump, responsible right for the insurrection,

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<v Speaker 1>then we continue to get more of the same and

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<v Speaker 1>more of the same. Of this kind of same is

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<v Speaker 1>not going to be able to be stomached by the

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<v Speaker 1>people of this country, so we should all be concerned. Lastly,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to bring your attention to this story and

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<v Speaker 1>this comes. I will read a few lines from our

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<v Speaker 1>friend Danielle Campamore, who we have on this show to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about abortion. This is what Danielle wrote at today

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<v Speaker 1>dot com and the article is a drugstore worker refused

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<v Speaker 1>to sell his partner condoms. Now now he's scheduled a vasectomy.

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<v Speaker 1>Here it is after a clerk at a national chain

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<v Speaker 1>refused to sell a couple condoms because of religious conviction.

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<v Speaker 1>The man scheduled a vasectomy. Nate Pence, who lives in Minnesota,

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<v Speaker 1>was shopping at a Walgreens in Hayward, Wisconsin with his

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<v Speaker 1>partner Jess. As Jess was checking out, Pence says the

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<v Speaker 1>cashier refused to sell her condoms. We went to Hayward

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<v Speaker 1>to get some growth series at a stop at Walgreens

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<v Speaker 1>because we had just left Jess's birth control at home.

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<v Speaker 1>As Jess was checking out, cashier John told her he

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't sell her condoms because it goes against my faith.

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<v Speaker 1>In another tweet, Pence said that his partner told the

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<v Speaker 1>clerk for her desire to purchase condoms was none of

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<v Speaker 1>his business. I can get a manager here. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>want me to finish checking these things? Not from you? So.

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<v Speaker 1>Pence also shared a screenshot of a complaint his partner

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<v Speaker 1>made to the store after they were prompted to describe

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<v Speaker 1>their recent experience. In a statement to NBC News, a

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<v Speaker 1>Walgreen spokesperson said that the company's policies are designed to

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<v Speaker 1>ensure we meet the needs of our patients and customers

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<v Speaker 1>while respecting the religious and moral beliefs of our team members.

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<v Speaker 1>The instances are rare, however, when a team member has

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<v Speaker 1>a moral or religious conviction about completing a transaction, they

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<v Speaker 1>are required to refer the customer to another employee or

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<v Speaker 1>manager on duty who will complete the transaction, which is

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<v Speaker 1>what occurred in this statement. This is absolute bullshit and

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<v Speaker 1>mayhem right, and this is all coming on the heels

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<v Speaker 1>of the reversal of Rob Wade in the Dab's decision

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<v Speaker 1>that came down from the Supreme Court, the desire that

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<v Speaker 1>for Republicans who voted against the codification of birth control

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<v Speaker 1>into law, right to make sure that you don't have

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<v Speaker 1>shit like this happened, because this isn't again about abortion,

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<v Speaker 1>it is about control. Because not selling condoms goes against

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<v Speaker 1>your religious beliefs, then you shouldn't be working out a

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<v Speaker 1>fucking place that sells them. How about that, right, because

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<v Speaker 1>the place also sells a whole host of things like

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<v Speaker 1>beer and this, that and the other thing. You don't

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<v Speaker 1>get as an employee to cherry pick what it is

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<v Speaker 1>that you do. If you have that kind of religious conviction,

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<v Speaker 1>then go work out a fucking church. Right, Like, this

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<v Speaker 1>is the shit that really begins to grade on my

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<v Speaker 1>nerves and all of our nerves when we're like, you again,

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<v Speaker 1>have the right to practice whatever religion it is that

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<v Speaker 1>you want, but you do not have the right to

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<v Speaker 1>force the rest of us to abide by your religious principles.

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<v Speaker 1>That is not what it means to have religious freedom.

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<v Speaker 1>But this country, along with many other rights are just

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<v Speaker 1>flying out the window. So who knows will will be

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of months from now. Coming up next, friends,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm very excited to welcome to woka F for the

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<v Speaker 1>first time w Kamal Bell, who is the author of

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<v Speaker 1>a new book work book, anti racist activity book called

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<v Speaker 1>Do the Work, along with Kate Shots and we get

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<v Speaker 1>into a discussion of what it means to really be

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<v Speaker 1>an anti racist and for those people who say that

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<v Speaker 1>they want to do something, here is the something that

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<v Speaker 1>you can do. That conversation is coming up next. Indisputable

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<v Speaker 1>As another election season accelerates, it can be tricky to

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<v Speaker 1>sort through all the noise and the news. Each week

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<v Speaker 1>Slates Political Gapfest New episodes every Thursday, Folks. I am

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<v Speaker 1>very excited to welcome to Willkate f Daily for the

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<v Speaker 1>very first time. W Camal Bell, who you all know

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<v Speaker 1>as a comedian as a straight Shooter on CNN Emmy

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<v Speaker 1>Award winning show and the new author of Do the Work,

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<v Speaker 1>An Anti racist activity book along with Kate Chats come out.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to understand from your vantage point, why you

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<v Speaker 1>think that now, Other than the fact that the world

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<v Speaker 1>is collapsing, our democracy is dying, and white supremacies at

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<v Speaker 1>an all time high and black people get murdered in

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<v Speaker 1>the street on a regular basis, why is now the

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<v Speaker 1>right time for this book. Well, I'm gonna quote somebody

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<v Speaker 1>I heard who say democracy is dying and white supremacies

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<v Speaker 1>at an all time high. I'm a quote a wary,

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<v Speaker 1>wise person named Danielle who who said that. So you

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<v Speaker 1>know this book was written too. We started writing this

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<v Speaker 1>book two years ago in the middle of of after

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<v Speaker 1>George Floyd was murdered and there was all and Brianna

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<v Speaker 1>Taylor by the police and and there was racial reckonings

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<v Speaker 1>in the streets and protests, and the publisher was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I wish we could release it now, and it was like,

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<v Speaker 1>don't worry, racism will still be here when we're ready

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<v Speaker 1>to release it. And we didn't know January sixth was coming.

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<v Speaker 1>We didn't know that Donald Trump was going to say

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<v Speaker 1>the election was stolen was coming. We didn't know that

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<v Speaker 1>we would still be dealing with COVID misinformation and news misinformation.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's it's always the time to come back racism

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<v Speaker 1>in America, you know. I, well, I love the book

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<v Speaker 1>because one I am a person of a certain generation

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<v Speaker 1>who loved Highlights, as I mentioned in another interview that

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<v Speaker 1>you did, and you say it's it's said it expressly

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<v Speaker 1>in the book that you know, this is for white people.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I want to ask you, you know, as somebody.

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<v Speaker 1>And by the way, I'll tell you that when you're

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<v Speaker 1>show first aired on CNN, I was actually quite concerned

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<v Speaker 1>for you traveling around the country, so you and my

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<v Speaker 1>wife both Yeah, right, I was concerned about you traveling

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<v Speaker 1>around the country and wondering, Oh my god, I hope

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<v Speaker 1>that he's safe. I hope they have security. I hope

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<v Speaker 1>he'll be Well when you say that this book is

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<v Speaker 1>you know, is for white people and obviously anybody else

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<v Speaker 1>that wants to read it, how do you anticipate getting

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<v Speaker 1>white people who continue to say what can I do

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<v Speaker 1>and what should I do to actually, you know, use

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<v Speaker 1>this as as a guide. Well, here's the thing. It's

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<v Speaker 1>like I always compare this to like working out or exercising.

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<v Speaker 1>If you walk into the gym and you get a

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<v Speaker 1>smoothie and you go sit in the hot tub, and

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<v Speaker 1>you go into the workout room and you look around

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<v Speaker 1>and see all the machines are taken and you go home. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>you went to the gym, but you did not indeed workout.

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<v Speaker 1>And so we all know when we're bull when we're

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<v Speaker 1>bsing ourselves about doing the work. And so a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of white folks when they say what can I do,

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna hand you a book that tells you exactly

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<v Speaker 1>what you can do, and we're gonna lead you through it.

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<v Speaker 1>And the book was co written by Kate Shots and so,

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<v Speaker 1>a white woman who speaks white people very fluently. And

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<v Speaker 1>so we're gonna lead you through this step by step,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're gonna and we're gonna make it fun, which

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<v Speaker 1>it shouldn't necessarily have to be fun, but we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>make it fun. We've hired over fifteen different black, Indigenous,

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<v Speaker 1>Latin x Asian American artists of color to make these things,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're gonna have all sorts of different fun ways

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<v Speaker 1>to do this so that it will be more irresistible,

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<v Speaker 1>as we say the revolution should be to do this.

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<v Speaker 1>And we're also gonna list things you can do in

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<v Speaker 1>your neighborhood, in your community to get the work done.

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<v Speaker 1>If at that point you don't want to do it,

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<v Speaker 1>then you're really saying I don't want to do the work.

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<v Speaker 1>I want to live in a white supremacy society. And

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<v Speaker 1>also also, we're not the only book that has ever

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<v Speaker 1>tried to get people to do this work. There's many

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<v Speaker 1>different amazing anti racist books. We just felt like there's

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<v Speaker 1>a way in which this is not being handled and

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<v Speaker 1>we want to help contribute to this discussion, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>through work on this book over the last two years

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<v Speaker 1>and then work on your show on CNN. What are

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<v Speaker 1>some of the most surprising things that have come up

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<v Speaker 1>for you with regard to dealing with varied opinions of

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<v Speaker 1>white people, some who are alarmingly racist and outwardly so,

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<v Speaker 1>and then others that are actually are also racist but

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<v Speaker 1>think that they are progressive or think, you know, um,

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<v Speaker 1>that they don't have a quote racist bone in their body.

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<v Speaker 1>Um what? What? What has come up for for you

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<v Speaker 1>over the past several years. When I hear people say

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<v Speaker 1>they don't have a racist bone in their body, I'm like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>you must be boneless then, so like, uh so, the

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<v Speaker 1>idea being that this we still live in a country

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<v Speaker 1>that thought that there was a good response to George

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<v Speaker 1>Floyd's murder by the police and Branna Taylor's killing by police,

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<v Speaker 1>was making Juneteenth a federal holiday, like that was the

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<v Speaker 1>thing we were asking for. That, Oh, that's you just

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<v Speaker 1>wanted another day off work. And we still live in

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<v Speaker 1>a country that not only that, this year, all these

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<v Speaker 1>things went around where people were sitting out like flyers

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<v Speaker 1>for Juneteenth celebrations that had nothing but white people on it,

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<v Speaker 1>or people were saying for Juneteenth, we're gonna have a watermelon,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, ice cream cream freedom, Yeah. Yeah. Major corporations,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Walmart is making Juneteenth ice cream or whatever

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<v Speaker 1>or selling Juneteenth ice cream. The idea being like people

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<v Speaker 1>are still very confused about what the work is, and

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<v Speaker 1>so for us, it's like this is no different than

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<v Speaker 1>when you bought your peloton and it said all right,

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<v Speaker 1>today's day one and and then and it's gonna tell

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<v Speaker 1>you you've been doing it this many weeks in a row,

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<v Speaker 1>which needs you're actually do getting a benefit from this.

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<v Speaker 1>You need to put this in your Google calendar. You

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<v Speaker 1>need to put this in your spreadsheet. However you do

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<v Speaker 1>your work generally in every other aspect of your life.

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<v Speaker 1>You need to put this on your posted notes, on

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<v Speaker 1>your to do list. The book has to do lists.

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<v Speaker 1>You need to know who your local representatives are when

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<v Speaker 1>they're running for reelection. You need to know what side

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<v Speaker 1>of the issues they're on. You need to do. This

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<v Speaker 1>needs to be embedded as a part of your life.

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<v Speaker 1>The same with the other things that are really important

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<v Speaker 1>to you are embedded in your life. You know. One

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<v Speaker 1>of the things that I think is also really interesting

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<v Speaker 1>about the timing of your book too, is that it comes,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, during a political climate when you have Republicans

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<v Speaker 1>and read states for instance, that are working overtime to

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<v Speaker 1>erase any um vision, story, narrative outside of a white

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<v Speaker 1>sis hetero quote unquote Christian mail lens. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder, you know, do you believe that it is

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<v Speaker 1>through through education that we can bridge this gap? That

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<v Speaker 1>it is through like active understanding. You know. One of

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<v Speaker 1>the things that I liked a lot was when you

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<v Speaker 1>just start off in the beginning and it's like you're

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<v Speaker 1>on your we're all living on stolen land. So let's

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<v Speaker 1>you know, let's let's let's start. Let's start with the

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<v Speaker 1>with the basics, do you think that education and obviously

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<v Speaker 1>what we're seeing is the desire to gas to continue

0:28:06.040 --> 0:28:09.359
<v Speaker 1>to gaslight White America into believing that they are exceptional,

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<v Speaker 1>is the key to kind of to moving us past

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<v Speaker 1>the place that we're in. Education is a part of

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<v Speaker 1>the key. I think education is a part of the

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<v Speaker 1>because you know, if you if you have the facts

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<v Speaker 1>but you don't do anything with the information, then it's

0:28:24.320 --> 0:28:26.840
<v Speaker 1>not actually as helpful as as you know. It's you're

0:28:26.840 --> 0:28:29.200
<v Speaker 1>basically it's still in an uneducated place. The education is

0:28:29.200 --> 0:28:31.880
<v Speaker 1>supposed to get you to knowledge. So for example, if

0:28:31.920 --> 0:28:35.520
<v Speaker 1>you at some point with a kid or will touch

0:28:35.600 --> 0:28:37.880
<v Speaker 1>fire or something hot and go, okay, I shouldn't touch

0:28:37.920 --> 0:28:40.240
<v Speaker 1>that anymore because that's hot. Well, America, we have a

0:28:40.280 --> 0:28:43.480
<v Speaker 1>situation where we are constantly learning, but it's not changing

0:28:43.480 --> 0:28:45.800
<v Speaker 1>our behaviors. We're still touching the hot fire, or we're

0:28:45.800 --> 0:28:48.120
<v Speaker 1>still watching other people that's the hot fire and the

0:28:48.200 --> 0:28:50.680
<v Speaker 1>idea being that. Like so, education is a part of it,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's the very it's one of the very basic

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<v Speaker 1>parts of it. Once you have the knowledge, what are

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<v Speaker 1>you going to do? So even in our landing knowledgement section,

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<v Speaker 1>just because you know you're a Native land. That doesn't

0:28:59.600 --> 0:29:02.160
<v Speaker 1>mean you've connected with the Native communities in your area.

0:29:02.240 --> 0:29:04.520
<v Speaker 1>That doesn't mean you know their history just because you

0:29:04.560 --> 0:29:06.440
<v Speaker 1>know the name of the native land. I'm in Oakland,

0:29:06.440 --> 0:29:09.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm on a loaning territory. That doesn't mean that I'm

0:29:09.520 --> 0:29:12.520
<v Speaker 1>in constant conversation or in constant community with them. And

0:29:12.520 --> 0:29:14.840
<v Speaker 1>so that's why the book is important. It's about action.

0:29:14.920 --> 0:29:16.920
<v Speaker 1>It's about like, now that you know this, what do

0:29:16.960 --> 0:29:21.440
<v Speaker 1>you do next? You know, I am part of I

0:29:21.440 --> 0:29:24.920
<v Speaker 1>guess probably a cadre of black folks who have worked

0:29:24.960 --> 0:29:30.160
<v Speaker 1>across movements and you know, activism and in politics, who

0:29:30.200 --> 0:29:35.160
<v Speaker 1>are exhausted by you know, by quote unquote teaching white

0:29:35.160 --> 0:29:38.240
<v Speaker 1>people to be better than they show themselves to be.

0:29:38.480 --> 0:29:40.720
<v Speaker 1>And there is a part of being black in this

0:29:40.800 --> 0:29:44.720
<v Speaker 1>country where we're all, you know, at some stage in

0:29:44.720 --> 0:29:48.080
<v Speaker 1>our life some type of ambassador for blackness. Right, So

0:29:48.120 --> 0:29:50.360
<v Speaker 1>what do you what do you say? You know, I'm

0:29:50.400 --> 0:29:53.320
<v Speaker 1>certain that people have probably said to you, you know,

0:29:53.800 --> 0:29:57.680
<v Speaker 1>come out like just let them be. Why you know,

0:29:57.920 --> 0:30:00.960
<v Speaker 1>why don't you go rest, Why don't you don't do

0:30:01.240 --> 0:30:05.880
<v Speaker 1>something you know, other than being you know, the emotional

0:30:06.240 --> 0:30:10.360
<v Speaker 1>type of shirpuf for what supremacy. So what do you think?

0:30:10.400 --> 0:30:12.680
<v Speaker 1>What do you say to that? Well, I would say,

0:30:12.680 --> 0:30:15.320
<v Speaker 1>this is this is something I've chosen to be my job.

0:30:15.360 --> 0:30:17.120
<v Speaker 1>So I understand that this is that this is the

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<v Speaker 1>position in men. I'm I'm one of my professional jobs

0:30:20.680 --> 0:30:22.640
<v Speaker 1>is to be a lot of white people's only black friend.

0:30:22.760 --> 0:30:26.240
<v Speaker 1>So I understand that that's the job. And I would say, therefore,

0:30:26.400 --> 0:30:28.920
<v Speaker 1>use me as that resource, not that black lady at

0:30:28.920 --> 0:30:30.840
<v Speaker 1>work who's just trying to get through a day. I

0:30:30.880 --> 0:30:33.240
<v Speaker 1>mean this book in large part, I think, certainly, I

0:30:33.280 --> 0:30:35.080
<v Speaker 1>think black people would get something out of it. Even

0:30:35.080 --> 0:30:36.600
<v Speaker 1>if you are an activist. There are things in here

0:30:36.640 --> 0:30:38.640
<v Speaker 1>you don't know, or things you might be inspired to do,

0:30:38.760 --> 0:30:40.600
<v Speaker 1>or things that you might find funny, and you can

0:30:40.640 --> 0:30:43.360
<v Speaker 1>share that with other people. But it's also communion as

0:30:43.400 --> 0:30:45.840
<v Speaker 1>a helpful link to share with your white co workers

0:30:45.920 --> 0:30:48.320
<v Speaker 1>when they go. But I don't understand why black people

0:30:48.320 --> 0:30:50.680
<v Speaker 1>are blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. Here, read

0:30:50.720 --> 0:30:53.160
<v Speaker 1>this book, do this work. Then once you do that,

0:30:53.320 --> 0:30:54.520
<v Speaker 1>maybe you can come back to me and have a

0:30:54.520 --> 0:30:57.680
<v Speaker 1>more informed conversation. So I would say, black folks, I'm

0:30:57.680 --> 0:30:59.520
<v Speaker 1>not saying you need to buy this book for those people.

0:30:59.520 --> 0:31:01.280
<v Speaker 1>But you can at least send them the linked so

0:31:01.320 --> 0:31:03.400
<v Speaker 1>that they can buy this book, or you can, or

0:31:03.440 --> 0:31:05.040
<v Speaker 1>you can go to your job and go, look, I'm

0:31:05.080 --> 0:31:07.080
<v Speaker 1>tired of having these conversations with all these white people

0:31:07.080 --> 0:31:09.760
<v Speaker 1>around here. Why don't why don't you? Why doesn't my

0:31:09.840 --> 0:31:11.880
<v Speaker 1>job buy these books and have all these people do

0:31:11.960 --> 0:31:15.160
<v Speaker 1>this work so I can at least just live my life. Yeah,

0:31:15.200 --> 0:31:17.880
<v Speaker 1>I think that that's right. I mean I do find

0:31:17.960 --> 0:31:21.480
<v Speaker 1>in so many different places that people have worked or

0:31:21.520 --> 0:31:24.640
<v Speaker 1>I've worked throughout my life where that has always been

0:31:24.680 --> 0:31:27.240
<v Speaker 1>the de facto right, like oh, you're said black person

0:31:27.280 --> 0:31:29.680
<v Speaker 1>in this space, so you will be the one that

0:31:29.880 --> 0:31:32.880
<v Speaker 1>is my liaison to all things black, and having to

0:31:32.920 --> 0:31:36.200
<v Speaker 1>say I am one but one black person, I am

0:31:36.240 --> 0:31:39.920
<v Speaker 1>not the representative right for black nation, Like this is

0:31:39.960 --> 0:31:43.120
<v Speaker 1>not how this works. I was not the elected. Yeah,

0:31:43.160 --> 0:31:44.520
<v Speaker 1>I mean I think about it. I think how many

0:31:44.520 --> 0:31:46.720
<v Speaker 1>times black people have had to go to work and

0:31:46.800 --> 0:31:51.720
<v Speaker 1>explain Kanye West to white people. I don't even want

0:31:51.720 --> 0:31:54.120
<v Speaker 1>to explain. I don't want to explain Kanye West exactly,

0:31:54.120 --> 0:31:56.680
<v Speaker 1>but we've had to because Kanye West did something, we

0:31:56.720 --> 0:31:57.960
<v Speaker 1>had to go to work the next day and have

0:31:57.960 --> 0:32:00.680
<v Speaker 1>a press conference about what we thought about what Kanye

0:32:00.720 --> 0:32:06.280
<v Speaker 1>West said, did, tweeted, didn't tweet, deleted, instagrammed, because people go,

0:32:06.560 --> 0:32:08.840
<v Speaker 1>what was that? What do you think Kanye? He's running for?

0:32:10.120 --> 0:32:12.120
<v Speaker 1>So we are regularly in the position of having to

0:32:12.160 --> 0:32:15.560
<v Speaker 1>be the spokesperson for our people and not get paid

0:32:15.600 --> 0:32:18.280
<v Speaker 1>for it, Like our jobs don't give us an extra

0:32:18.360 --> 0:32:21.720
<v Speaker 1>ten percent bonus just for being black at work. Oh god,

0:32:21.800 --> 0:32:24.000
<v Speaker 1>that is something that I could get behind in campaign

0:32:24.040 --> 0:32:28.800
<v Speaker 1>for UM. You know, how do you by virtue? You know,

0:32:28.840 --> 0:32:31.320
<v Speaker 1>you have selected this as your path to be this

0:32:31.400 --> 0:32:35.040
<v Speaker 1>kind of guy, to explore in so many ways, you know,

0:32:35.600 --> 0:32:38.280
<v Speaker 1>to get people to be better. How do you and

0:32:38.600 --> 0:32:40.840
<v Speaker 1>how do you take care of yourself? Do you ever

0:32:40.920 --> 0:32:43.880
<v Speaker 1>get to a point come out where no, seriously where

0:32:43.960 --> 0:32:45.800
<v Speaker 1>you're just like, you know, I'm laughing because I don't

0:32:45.800 --> 0:32:47.160
<v Speaker 1>do it. I don't do a great job of it.

0:32:47.240 --> 0:32:49.280
<v Speaker 1>That's why I'm laughing, Not because the questions I'm like,

0:32:49.480 --> 0:32:51.200
<v Speaker 1>I should start taking care of myself. I mean, these

0:32:51.200 --> 0:32:53.160
<v Speaker 1>are again, these are conversations with me and my wife

0:32:53.160 --> 0:32:55.000
<v Speaker 1>have all the time where she's right, like, we need

0:32:55.040 --> 0:32:56.840
<v Speaker 1>to carve out time in your schedule, you need to

0:32:56.880 --> 0:32:59.880
<v Speaker 1>take more breaks, you need to go on vacation by yourself.

0:33:00.080 --> 0:33:02.200
<v Speaker 1>Like She's like, you need to get away, and I'm

0:33:02.240 --> 0:33:03.960
<v Speaker 1>always like, okay, but let me do one more thing

0:33:04.000 --> 0:33:05.360
<v Speaker 1>before I do that. Let me get one more thing,

0:33:05.360 --> 0:33:08.240
<v Speaker 1>because I am aware that my time in the spotlight

0:33:08.360 --> 0:33:10.440
<v Speaker 1>is limited by nature of the fact of how this

0:33:10.520 --> 0:33:13.240
<v Speaker 1>business works. As me and my friend, my best friend

0:33:13.280 --> 0:33:16.160
<v Speaker 1>Jason's aid in high school strike while the iron is lukewarm,

0:33:16.280 --> 0:33:18.239
<v Speaker 1>you can't always wait for the iron to heat up.

0:33:18.600 --> 0:33:20.560
<v Speaker 1>And so the idea being that I get that sometimes

0:33:20.600 --> 0:33:22.080
<v Speaker 1>my career is in a moment where I just need

0:33:22.120 --> 0:33:24.840
<v Speaker 1>to make the most out of what I have because

0:33:25.680 --> 0:33:27.760
<v Speaker 1>there's so much more as at stake than me in

0:33:27.800 --> 0:33:30.120
<v Speaker 1>my career. It's actually and I feel like that this

0:33:30.160 --> 0:33:31.800
<v Speaker 1>is the you know, the least I can do with

0:33:31.840 --> 0:33:34.440
<v Speaker 1>being a black person with a platform is to regularly

0:33:34.480 --> 0:33:36.960
<v Speaker 1>be engaged in anti racism work. So the last couple

0:33:37.000 --> 0:33:39.720
<v Speaker 1>weeks ago, I was on CNN promoting United Shades, and

0:33:39.800 --> 0:33:41.560
<v Speaker 1>at the same time, I wore a shirt that said

0:33:41.600 --> 0:33:43.920
<v Speaker 1>I will aid in a abortion as a way to

0:33:44.000 --> 0:33:46.560
<v Speaker 1>let people know I also stand on this platform too.

0:33:46.680 --> 0:33:48.880
<v Speaker 1>I wore a shirt on CNN while I was promoting

0:33:48.960 --> 0:33:51.640
<v Speaker 1>United Shades that from the Acou that said trans people

0:33:51.680 --> 0:33:54.080
<v Speaker 1>belong as a way to understand I'm also down for

0:33:54.120 --> 0:33:56.600
<v Speaker 1>this too. I feel like I have to multi multitask

0:33:56.720 --> 0:34:00.360
<v Speaker 1>my fights against depression. So the idea being like, so

0:34:00.880 --> 0:34:02.680
<v Speaker 1>I can always do a better job of taking care

0:34:02.680 --> 0:34:04.840
<v Speaker 1>of myself, I need to prioritize that I need to

0:34:04.840 --> 0:34:06.960
<v Speaker 1>take those walks I'm talking about. I got a peloton

0:34:07.040 --> 0:34:09.759
<v Speaker 1>over here that is basically a coat hanger. So I'm

0:34:09.800 --> 0:34:12.040
<v Speaker 1>always trying to engage in ways to take better care

0:34:12.040 --> 0:34:14.279
<v Speaker 1>of myself. But it's just, you know, you think about

0:34:14.280 --> 0:34:16.080
<v Speaker 1>Martin Luther King Jr. And just the fact that if

0:34:16.120 --> 0:34:18.040
<v Speaker 1>you look at pictures of him, he looked like he

0:34:18.120 --> 0:34:20.960
<v Speaker 1>was sixty years old and he was in his thirties.

0:34:21.000 --> 0:34:23.160
<v Speaker 1>He died at thirty nine, and he looked like you

0:34:23.200 --> 0:34:25.799
<v Speaker 1>can see literally the weight of what he's doing way

0:34:25.880 --> 0:34:27.879
<v Speaker 1>on him. You can same thing with Malcolm X. It's

0:34:27.920 --> 0:34:29.879
<v Speaker 1>like you can see the weight of this work. But

0:34:30.160 --> 0:34:31.839
<v Speaker 1>who am I to complain because I'm in a way

0:34:31.840 --> 0:34:35.160
<v Speaker 1>more privileged position than those two now, and you know,

0:34:35.239 --> 0:34:37.719
<v Speaker 1>and that is fair. But there is something there is

0:34:37.719 --> 0:34:40.959
<v Speaker 1>actually a real term for it, and it's called weathering, right.

0:34:41.040 --> 0:34:44.759
<v Speaker 1>It is the weathering that happens on black bodies, both emotionally,

0:34:44.800 --> 0:34:48.760
<v Speaker 1>physically and spiritually, in all of the avenues that we carry.

0:34:49.800 --> 0:34:52.160
<v Speaker 1>And so I think that it's important even though, yes,

0:34:52.360 --> 0:34:54.719
<v Speaker 1>you come from a place of privilege and you have

0:34:54.760 --> 0:34:57.960
<v Speaker 1>an amazing platform that you're using. By virtue of you

0:34:58.120 --> 0:35:00.840
<v Speaker 1>doing things that take care of you gives other people

0:35:01.000 --> 0:35:05.480
<v Speaker 1>around you permission to do the same. So you're My

0:35:05.480 --> 0:35:07.920
<v Speaker 1>wife will be like when she hears this, she'll be

0:35:07.960 --> 0:35:10.439
<v Speaker 1>doing this, She'll be doing the snaps like I try

0:35:10.480 --> 0:35:13.600
<v Speaker 1>to tell him that, I want to say, thank you

0:35:13.640 --> 0:35:17.759
<v Speaker 1>for doing the work right here with me. I appreciate that. Wonderful.

0:35:18.239 --> 0:35:20.480
<v Speaker 1>So what last question for you? What are your hopes?

0:35:21.280 --> 0:35:25.240
<v Speaker 1>What are your hopes with this book, with your continued

0:35:25.280 --> 0:35:28.200
<v Speaker 1>work with United Shades, you know, the hope of where

0:35:28.239 --> 0:35:31.120
<v Speaker 1>we get to next. You know, I think it's I mean,

0:35:31.160 --> 0:35:32.479
<v Speaker 1>I think I feel like I want to think about

0:35:32.719 --> 0:35:35.200
<v Speaker 1>my career. I think about like musicians I'm fans of,

0:35:35.280 --> 0:35:37.400
<v Speaker 1>Like you know, when Public Enemy wrote fight the Power,

0:35:37.719 --> 0:35:39.600
<v Speaker 1>they didn't want you to stop fighting the power when

0:35:39.600 --> 0:35:41.480
<v Speaker 1>the song ended. They wanted you to continue to fight

0:35:41.520 --> 0:35:43.880
<v Speaker 1>the power. So for me, this book is just a

0:35:43.920 --> 0:35:46.719
<v Speaker 1>way to sort of learn how to engage in this work.

0:35:46.800 --> 0:35:48.680
<v Speaker 1>So my hope is that if you read the work

0:35:48.719 --> 0:35:50.239
<v Speaker 1>and you do the work, and you fill out all

0:35:50.239 --> 0:35:52.239
<v Speaker 1>the forms and got all the teas and learn all

0:35:52.239 --> 0:35:54.400
<v Speaker 1>the things that you understand, that once the book is done,

0:35:54.680 --> 0:35:57.160
<v Speaker 1>that you're still doing the work, that becoming an anti

0:35:57.280 --> 0:35:59.799
<v Speaker 1>racist becomes a regular part of your life at the

0:36:00.080 --> 0:36:02.319
<v Speaker 1>very least. I just hope it makes your conversations about

0:36:02.400 --> 0:36:05.160
<v Speaker 1>racism and white and supremacies smarter and not in more

0:36:05.440 --> 0:36:07.839
<v Speaker 1>and better informs that when people say things that are

0:36:07.960 --> 0:36:10.520
<v Speaker 1>ridiculous about critical race, they are you able to be like, no,

0:36:10.520 --> 0:36:13.160
<v Speaker 1>no, no no, that's not actually what you're talking about. That's

0:36:13.200 --> 0:36:18.120
<v Speaker 1>not correct what you're saying. W come out, Bell, Thank

0:36:18.120 --> 0:36:20.759
<v Speaker 1>you so much. Thank you for the work that you're doing.

0:36:20.840 --> 0:36:24.160
<v Speaker 1>Thank you for writing this book and doing the work

0:36:24.239 --> 0:36:26.720
<v Speaker 1>that black the rest of us are too fucking tired

0:36:26.760 --> 0:36:28.920
<v Speaker 1>to do and shouldn't have to do because you've got

0:36:28.960 --> 0:36:31.279
<v Speaker 1>other things to do and shouldn't have to do. But

0:36:31.640 --> 0:36:34.799
<v Speaker 1>genuinely appreciate you and your time. Thank you very much.

0:36:34.840 --> 0:36:37.920
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