Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to Okay F Daily with
Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody, Recording from the Bunker the folks.
Speaker 1: I want to start off by saying that when at
Speaker 1: the time of this recording, the January sixth primetime hearing
Speaker 1: has not happened yet. But m folks, I want to
Speaker 1: alert you to a couple of stories that are not
Speaker 1: making the kind of press that I think that they should,
Speaker 1: particularly as the January sixth committee will rap, And honestly,
Speaker 1: we really don't know if this is actually this eighth
Speaker 1: hearing is a rap or it is a rap four
Speaker 1: right now, because what we have seen is that over
Speaker 1: the course of the last eight hearings, more information comes out,
Speaker 1: more people come forward, more testimony is given, and then boom,
Speaker 1: another public hearing. We do know that the that the
Speaker 1: committee is up against the clock, given that if midterm
Speaker 1: elections go in the direction of Republicans, we know that
Speaker 1: this committee's work will be done and this committee will
Speaker 1: be disbanded and Republicans will proceed with a whole bunch
Speaker 1: of bullshit that probably looks like Benghazi on crack. So
Speaker 1: I want to bring to your attention a story that
Speaker 1: I found to be really troubling at science dot org.
Speaker 1: And it is this The title of the Science Insider
Speaker 1: story is half of Americans anticipate a US civil war soon,
Speaker 1: half of those that were surveyed. And I want to
Speaker 1: bring you I'm going to read the first couple of
Speaker 1: paragraphs because I think that one, this is really fucking alarming.
Speaker 1: But it's also what we have been talking about on
Speaker 1: this show for quite some time, and particularly if you
Speaker 1: were listening back to me. You know, four years ago,
Speaker 1: four five years ago, when Donald Trump first became president
Speaker 1: of the United States, I said that everything in the
Speaker 1: United States was going to get bloodier before it got better.
Speaker 1: Lo and behold. I had no idea at the time
Speaker 1: that I was saying this that we would see it
Speaker 1: an insurrection, that we would see a rise in violence
Speaker 1: across this country, that we would have a pandemic and
Speaker 1: there would be a rise in gun sales, that racial
Speaker 1: resentment and racism would go through the roof, that all
Speaker 1: of these things would happen. I thought, you know, that
Speaker 1: things would get really bad, but all of these things,
Speaker 1: that just the number of things that have happened over
Speaker 1: the last five years, in any one year would be historic.
Speaker 1: We've experienced more quote unquote history in this short time
Speaker 1: period than I think any other generation has in this country,
Speaker 1: and so we shouldn't when we see articles like the
Speaker 1: one I'm about to delve into, just shrug and say, oh, well,
Speaker 1: that's hyperbolic. No it's not. And we've all experienced what
Speaker 1: happens when we ignore things the first fucking time around.
Speaker 1: So here it is. Violence can be seen to be
Speaker 1: everywhere in the United States, and political violence is in
Speaker 1: the spotlight with January six, twenty twenty one, it's insurrection
Speaker 1: as exhibit A. Now, a large study confirms one in
Speaker 1: five Americans. One in five Americans believes violence motivated by
Speaker 1: political reason is at least sometimes justified. Nearly half expect
Speaker 1: a civil war, and many say they would trade democracy
Speaker 1: for a strong leader. A pre print posted found this
Speaker 1: is not a study that's meant to shock, says Rachel Kleinfeld,
Speaker 1: a political violence expert at the Carnegie Endowment for Interracial
Speaker 1: Peace who was not involved in the research, But it
Speaker 1: should be shocking. Firearm deaths in the United States grew
Speaker 1: by nearly forty three percent between twenty ten and twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: and gun sales surged during the coronavirus pandemic. Garren written Mute,
Speaker 1: an emergency medicine physician and longtime gun violence researcher at
Speaker 1: the University of California, Davis, wondered what those trends pretend
Speaker 1: to civil unrest quote, sometimes being an er doc is
Speaker 1: like being in the bowman on the Titanic going look
Speaker 1: at that iceberg. He and his colleague surveyed more than
Speaker 1: eighty six hundred adults in English and Spanish about their
Speaker 1: views on democracy in the United States, racial attitudes in
Speaker 1: the US society, and their own attitudes towards political violence.
Speaker 1: The respondents or part of the IPSOS Knowledge Panel, an
Speaker 1: online research panel that has been used widely, including by
Speaker 1: whitten Mute for research on violence and firearm ownership. Although
Speaker 1: almost all respondents thought it's important right, it's important for
Speaker 1: the United States to remain a democracy, forty percent said
Speaker 1: having a strong leader is more important. Half expect a
Speaker 1: civil war in the United States in the next few years.
Speaker 1: The fact that this is quote, the fact that basically
Speaker 1: half the country is expecting a civil war is just chilling,
Speaker 1: whitten Mute says, and many expect to take part if
Speaker 1: found in a situation where they think violence is justified
Speaker 1: to advance an important political objective. About one in five
Speaker 1: respondents think they will likely be armed with a gun.
Speaker 1: About seven percent of participants, which would correspond to about
Speaker 1: eighteen million US adults, said they would be willing to
Speaker 1: kill a person in such situation. Folks, what in the
Speaker 1: entire fuck? Okay, it is one thing to read the
Speaker 1: writing on the wall. It's one thing to rewatch throughout
Speaker 1: all of these hearings, how violent the insurrectionists were, how
Speaker 1: they were armed with knives and brass knuckles and guns
Speaker 1: and zip ties and just preparing right, as was stated
Speaker 1: by a Jason Hottentov from a former Proud Boy at
Speaker 1: the seventh hearing, that they were preparing for this insurrection
Speaker 1: to be the spark of a revolutionary war, to be
Speaker 1: the spark of a civil war, and they were prepared
Speaker 1: as such. And so it should be alarming that this
Speaker 1: study that is done finds that forty percent of the
Speaker 1: country scent of those surveyed, not forty percent of the country.
Speaker 1: Let me say this again. Forty percent of those surveyed
Speaker 1: said that having quote a strong leader is more important
Speaker 1: than democracy. Now Here in the United states. We don't
Speaker 1: know anything other than the flawed democratic system that we have.
Speaker 1: If you have visited other countries that are under communism,
Speaker 1: that are under a monarch, that are under varied forms
Speaker 1: of government, and you actually talk to those people, they
Speaker 1: would tell you how vastly different it is to live
Speaker 1: in a country where you no longer have a voice
Speaker 1: an opinion, where you no longer are protected in the
Speaker 1: actions that you take against your government. And I'm not
Speaker 1: talking about an armed fucking insurrection. I'm talking about peaceful protests,
Speaker 1: the right to assemble. To think of people saying that
Speaker 1: they would rather have a quote strong leader, then democracy
Speaker 1: is chilling, But pretty much coincides with what we have
Speaker 1: seen over the past five years with the destruction of
Speaker 1: our democracy by the Republican Party, the rise of Trump
Speaker 1: and Trumpism, and the belief that he alone can fix it. Right.
Speaker 1: But what these people, I believe don't really get, because
Speaker 1: of course we don't teach civics in any real understanding.
Speaker 1: I don't think that they really understand fundamentally what it
Speaker 1: means to take away democracy and put in place one
Speaker 1: person that gets to make a decision, right, and what
Speaker 1: happens to the country what happens to agencies, what happens
Speaker 1: to those social safety nets, what happens to your ability.
Speaker 1: Let's just say you lose your job, as many did
Speaker 1: during the pandemic, to get unemployment again. These are products
Speaker 1: of what it means to function inside of a democracy
Speaker 1: where the government is set up to help the people,
Speaker 1: not help themselves. And what we know to be true
Speaker 1: by virtue of the patterns of dictatorships and authoritarian regimes
Speaker 1: and fascism around the globe is that it never actually
Speaker 1: ends well, right, but that these people rise into power
Speaker 1: at a time when there is such chaos on the
Speaker 1: ground that people are just looking for anything that will
Speaker 1: relieve their pain. Well, let's look at the plans that
Speaker 1: Republicans have had in place right in order to sew unease,
Speaker 1: in order to sew upheaval of our political norms, so
Speaker 1: that they can create the conditions and the climate that
Speaker 1: would have a Donald Trump, a Ron Desantists type come in,
Speaker 1: as said quote unquote President. But what we know to
Speaker 1: be true is that these people are organizing in plain sight.
Speaker 1: They have been continuing along with their coup after their
Speaker 1: foot soldiers have been picked up by the Department of Justice,
Speaker 1: but that they have no qualms about going back to
Speaker 1: right the roots of violence in order to get their
Speaker 1: job done. So what should be alarming is that when
Speaker 1: you look at Republican obstructionism, when you look at what
Speaker 1: the Supreme Court has done with regard to a state's
Speaker 1: ability to create its own gun laws, when you look
Speaker 1: about the erosion of reproductive rights and the ability to
Speaker 1: have an abortion, when you look at stories which I
Speaker 1: will cover one another one which is a Walgreens worker
Speaker 1: in Wisconsin said that he would not sell a customer
Speaker 1: condoms because it was against his religious practice. I do
Speaker 1: not understand how people understand that a democracy, when we
Speaker 1: talk about freedom of religion, is not the freedom to
Speaker 1: weaponize your religion against other people who do not subscribe
Speaker 1: to the religion that you have. It means that you
Speaker 1: who can, in fact, do worship however you see fit
Speaker 1: and however you would like your family to see fit.
Speaker 1: But that does not mean right that you get to
Speaker 1: turn around and weaponize that religion against other people. Similarly,
Speaker 1: so with the understanding of white supremacy and patriarchy in
Speaker 1: this country and how it has been weaponized against people
Speaker 1: of color, against black people in particular, against non Christians,
Speaker 1: in particular, as a way to safeguard white people from
Speaker 1: any course correction, from any responsibility and accountability. So long
Speaker 1: as you continue to villainize, criminalize, and oppress those that
Speaker 1: don't look like you, pray like you, love like you,
Speaker 1: so on and so forth. So as the country in
Speaker 1: so many ways is dealing with a rising cases of violence,
Speaker 1: I think that one of the things that was also
Speaker 1: said here is this quote. The findings are scary, but
Speaker 1: not surprising. Kurt Braddock, who studies the psychology of extremist
Speaker 1: communication at American University, wrote to an email in Science.
Speaker 1: In recent years, he says the United States has seen
Speaker 1: an increase in individual willingness to engage in violence. Homicides
Speaker 1: in cities increased forty four percent forty four percent between
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen and twenty twenty one, for instance, an attitude,
Speaker 1: he says, is likely to spill into the political sphere. Well,
Speaker 1: why has violence increased? It isn't because people have become
Speaker 1: more violent. It is because our resources have become more limited. Right,
Speaker 1: You're talking about inner cities where every single day we're
Speaker 1: hearing about inflation, every single day we're hearing about the
Speaker 1: housing crisis and the renters crisis right where people are
Speaker 1: literally being put out of their homes and onto the
Speaker 1: street because they can no longer afford to live because
Speaker 1: their paychecks, if they still in fact have a job,
Speaker 1: are not going as far as they used to. But
Speaker 1: the increases in mortgages and rents continue to in and
Speaker 1: yet you have the same needs that you did, but
Speaker 1: the resources that you have no longer stretched that far.
Speaker 1: And if we are continuing to in this country provide
Speaker 1: let's say what the Biden administration did this week with
Speaker 1: their quote unquote Law and Safety Plan, which is once
Speaker 1: again award thirty seven billion dollars to law enforcement to
Speaker 1: add one hundred thousand new cops on the street. Well,
Speaker 1: as far as I know, cops don't help put food
Speaker 1: on the fucking table. That money which Joe Biden is
Speaker 1: always hell bent on fund the police, fund the police.
Speaker 1: The police don't prevent crime, and they don't help support
Speaker 1: any of the ways in which people in this country
Speaker 1: are suffering from mental health and emotional instability because of
Speaker 1: the compounded crises that we are in. So if you're
Speaker 1: not going to get to the heart of the problem,
Speaker 1: but then you're going to continue to throw money after
Speaker 1: the bad people who cause more problems than they actually solve. Like,
Speaker 1: how do you think that we are going to get
Speaker 1: anywhere other than the place that we are headed, which
Speaker 1: is no good right, which is rising anxiety, depression, stress,
Speaker 1: joblessness or inflation right, increased prices, homelessness, drug use, all
Speaker 1: of these things are on the rise. But we find
Speaker 1: that the most important thing to do is throw more money,
Speaker 1: throw good money after bad as it pertains to law enforcement. Right.
Speaker 1: So you know, in this report, basically what it's saying
Speaker 1: is that there's a reason for our nervousness. There's a
Speaker 1: reason that we are so at that we're so uneasy, right,
Speaker 1: and it's the fact that things continue to get worse.
Speaker 1: No one seems to be making a plan for how
Speaker 1: they get better, and they continue to fund the same
Speaker 1: shit that actually causes more pain that it takes away.
Speaker 1: So how do we envision that we're not headed to
Speaker 1: some type of really horrific war, which the way I
Speaker 1: think will most likely coincide with the next presidential election. Right, So,
Speaker 1: if Republicans take back the House and the Senate take
Speaker 1: back Congress launch their bullshit, which they will do, then
Speaker 1: we head into an unprotected presidential election that we know
Speaker 1: will be rigged. We know what the states are already
Speaker 1: planning and who have organized. How do we not think
Speaker 1: that violence is going to ensue? And if in that
Speaker 1: entire time we have a Department of Justice that continues
Speaker 1: to look away from white supremist extremist violence, that continues
Speaker 1: to not do anything in terms of holding the people,
Speaker 1: the architects, including Donald Trump, responsible right for the insurrection,
Speaker 1: then we continue to get more of the same and
Speaker 1: more of the same. Of this kind of same is
Speaker 1: not going to be able to be stomached by the
Speaker 1: people of this country, so we should all be concerned. Lastly,
Speaker 1: I want to bring your attention to this story and
Speaker 1: this comes. I will read a few lines from our
Speaker 1: friend Danielle Campamore, who we have on this show to
Speaker 1: talk about abortion. This is what Danielle wrote at today
Speaker 1: dot com and the article is a drugstore worker refused
Speaker 1: to sell his partner condoms. Now now he's scheduled a vasectomy.
Speaker 1: Here it is after a clerk at a national chain
Speaker 1: refused to sell a couple condoms because of religious conviction.
Speaker 1: The man scheduled a vasectomy. Nate Pence, who lives in Minnesota,
Speaker 1: was shopping at a Walgreens in Hayward, Wisconsin with his
Speaker 1: partner Jess. As Jess was checking out, Pence says the
Speaker 1: cashier refused to sell her condoms. We went to Hayward
Speaker 1: to get some growth series at a stop at Walgreens
Speaker 1: because we had just left Jess's birth control at home.
Speaker 1: As Jess was checking out, cashier John told her he
Speaker 1: couldn't sell her condoms because it goes against my faith.
Speaker 1: In another tweet, Pence said that his partner told the
Speaker 1: clerk for her desire to purchase condoms was none of
Speaker 1: his business. I can get a manager here. Do you
Speaker 1: want me to finish checking these things? Not from you? So.
Speaker 1: Pence also shared a screenshot of a complaint his partner
Speaker 1: made to the store after they were prompted to describe
Speaker 1: their recent experience. In a statement to NBC News, a
Speaker 1: Walgreen spokesperson said that the company's policies are designed to
Speaker 1: ensure we meet the needs of our patients and customers
Speaker 1: while respecting the religious and moral beliefs of our team members.
Speaker 1: The instances are rare, however, when a team member has
Speaker 1: a moral or religious conviction about completing a transaction, they
Speaker 1: are required to refer the customer to another employee or
Speaker 1: manager on duty who will complete the transaction, which is
Speaker 1: what occurred in this statement. This is absolute bullshit and
Speaker 1: mayhem right, and this is all coming on the heels
Speaker 1: of the reversal of Rob Wade in the Dab's decision
Speaker 1: that came down from the Supreme Court, the desire that
Speaker 1: for Republicans who voted against the codification of birth control
Speaker 1: into law, right to make sure that you don't have
Speaker 1: shit like this happened, because this isn't again about abortion,
Speaker 1: it is about control. Because not selling condoms goes against
Speaker 1: your religious beliefs, then you shouldn't be working out a
Speaker 1: fucking place that sells them. How about that, right, because
Speaker 1: the place also sells a whole host of things like
Speaker 1: beer and this, that and the other thing. You don't
Speaker 1: get as an employee to cherry pick what it is
Speaker 1: that you do. If you have that kind of religious conviction,
Speaker 1: then go work out a fucking church. Right, Like, this
Speaker 1: is the shit that really begins to grade on my
Speaker 1: nerves and all of our nerves when we're like, you again,
Speaker 1: have the right to practice whatever religion it is that
Speaker 1: you want, but you do not have the right to
Speaker 1: force the rest of us to abide by your religious principles.
Speaker 1: That is not what it means to have religious freedom.
Speaker 1: But this country, along with many other rights are just
Speaker 1: flying out the window. So who knows will will be
Speaker 1: a couple of months from now. Coming up next, friends,
Speaker 1: I'm very excited to welcome to woka F for the
Speaker 1: first time w Kamal Bell, who is the author of
Speaker 1: a new book work book, anti racist activity book called
Speaker 1: Do the Work, along with Kate Shots and we get
Speaker 1: into a discussion of what it means to really be
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Speaker 1: very excited to welcome to Willkate f Daily for the
Speaker 1: very first time. W Camal Bell, who you all know
Speaker 1: as a comedian as a straight Shooter on CNN Emmy
Speaker 1: Award winning show and the new author of Do the Work,
Speaker 1: An Anti racist activity book along with Kate Chats come out.
Speaker 1: I want to understand from your vantage point, why you
Speaker 1: think that now, Other than the fact that the world
Speaker 1: is collapsing, our democracy is dying, and white supremacies at
Speaker 1: an all time high and black people get murdered in
Speaker 1: the street on a regular basis, why is now the
Speaker 1: right time for this book. Well, I'm gonna quote somebody
Speaker 1: I heard who say democracy is dying and white supremacies
Speaker 1: at an all time high. I'm a quote a wary,
Speaker 1: wise person named Danielle who who said that. So you
Speaker 1: know this book was written too. We started writing this
Speaker 1: book two years ago in the middle of of after
Speaker 1: George Floyd was murdered and there was all and Brianna
Speaker 1: Taylor by the police and and there was racial reckonings
Speaker 1: in the streets and protests, and the publisher was like,
Speaker 1: I wish we could release it now, and it was like,
Speaker 1: don't worry, racism will still be here when we're ready
Speaker 1: to release it. And we didn't know January sixth was coming.
Speaker 1: We didn't know that Donald Trump was going to say
Speaker 1: the election was stolen was coming. We didn't know that
Speaker 1: we would still be dealing with COVID misinformation and news misinformation.
Speaker 1: So it's it's always the time to come back racism
Speaker 1: in America, you know. I, well, I love the book
Speaker 1: because one I am a person of a certain generation
Speaker 1: who loved Highlights, as I mentioned in another interview that
Speaker 1: you did, and you say it's it's said it expressly
Speaker 1: in the book that you know, this is for white people.
Speaker 1: And so I want to ask you, you know, as somebody.
Speaker 1: And by the way, I'll tell you that when you're
Speaker 1: show first aired on CNN, I was actually quite concerned
Speaker 1: for you traveling around the country, so you and my
Speaker 1: wife both Yeah, right, I was concerned about you traveling
Speaker 1: around the country and wondering, Oh my god, I hope
Speaker 1: that he's safe. I hope they have security. I hope
Speaker 1: he'll be Well when you say that this book is
Speaker 1: you know, is for white people and obviously anybody else
Speaker 1: that wants to read it, how do you anticipate getting
Speaker 1: white people who continue to say what can I do
Speaker 1: and what should I do to actually, you know, use
Speaker 1: this as as a guide. Well, here's the thing. It's
Speaker 1: like I always compare this to like working out or exercising.
Speaker 1: If you walk into the gym and you get a
Speaker 1: smoothie and you go sit in the hot tub, and
Speaker 1: you go into the workout room and you look around
Speaker 1: and see all the machines are taken and you go home. Yes,
Speaker 1: you went to the gym, but you did not indeed workout.
Speaker 1: And so we all know when we're bull when we're
Speaker 1: bsing ourselves about doing the work. And so a lot
Speaker 1: of white folks when they say what can I do,
Speaker 1: We're gonna hand you a book that tells you exactly
Speaker 1: what you can do, and we're gonna lead you through it.
Speaker 1: And the book was co written by Kate Shots and so,
Speaker 1: a white woman who speaks white people very fluently. And
Speaker 1: so we're gonna lead you through this step by step,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna and we're gonna make it fun, which
Speaker 1: it shouldn't necessarily have to be fun, but we're gonna
Speaker 1: make it fun. We've hired over fifteen different black, Indigenous,
Speaker 1: Latin x Asian American artists of color to make these things,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna have all sorts of different fun ways
Speaker 1: to do this so that it will be more irresistible,
Speaker 1: as we say the revolution should be to do this.
Speaker 1: And we're also gonna list things you can do in
Speaker 1: your neighborhood, in your community to get the work done.
Speaker 1: If at that point you don't want to do it,
Speaker 1: then you're really saying I don't want to do the work.
Speaker 1: I want to live in a white supremacy society. And
Speaker 1: also also, we're not the only book that has ever
Speaker 1: tried to get people to do this work. There's many
Speaker 1: different amazing anti racist books. We just felt like there's
Speaker 1: a way in which this is not being handled and
Speaker 1: we want to help contribute to this discussion, you know,
Speaker 1: through work on this book over the last two years
Speaker 1: and then work on your show on CNN. What are
Speaker 1: some of the most surprising things that have come up
Speaker 1: for you with regard to dealing with varied opinions of
Speaker 1: white people, some who are alarmingly racist and outwardly so,
Speaker 1: and then others that are actually are also racist but
Speaker 1: think that they are progressive or think, you know, um,
Speaker 1: that they don't have a quote racist bone in their body.
Speaker 1: Um what? What? What has come up for for you
Speaker 1: over the past several years. When I hear people say
Speaker 1: they don't have a racist bone in their body, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: you must be boneless then, so like, uh so, the
Speaker 1: idea being that this we still live in a country
Speaker 1: that thought that there was a good response to George
Speaker 1: Floyd's murder by the police and Branna Taylor's killing by police,
Speaker 1: was making Juneteenth a federal holiday, like that was the
Speaker 1: thing we were asking for. That, Oh, that's you just
Speaker 1: wanted another day off work. And we still live in
Speaker 1: a country that not only that, this year, all these
Speaker 1: things went around where people were sitting out like flyers
Speaker 1: for Juneteenth celebrations that had nothing but white people on it,
Speaker 1: or people were saying for Juneteenth, we're gonna have a watermelon,
Speaker 1: you know, ice cream cream freedom, Yeah. Yeah. Major corporations,
Speaker 1: you know, Walmart is making Juneteenth ice cream or whatever
Speaker 1: or selling Juneteenth ice cream. The idea being like people
Speaker 1: are still very confused about what the work is, and
Speaker 1: so for us, it's like this is no different than
Speaker 1: when you bought your peloton and it said all right,
Speaker 1: today's day one and and then and it's gonna tell
Speaker 1: you you've been doing it this many weeks in a row,
Speaker 1: which needs you're actually do getting a benefit from this.
Speaker 1: You need to put this in your Google calendar. You
Speaker 1: need to put this in your spreadsheet. However you do
Speaker 1: your work generally in every other aspect of your life.
Speaker 1: You need to put this on your posted notes, on
Speaker 1: your to do list. The book has to do lists.
Speaker 1: You need to know who your local representatives are when
Speaker 1: they're running for reelection. You need to know what side
Speaker 1: of the issues they're on. You need to do. This
Speaker 1: needs to be embedded as a part of your life.
Speaker 1: The same with the other things that are really important
Speaker 1: to you are embedded in your life. You know. One
Speaker 1: of the things that I think is also really interesting
Speaker 1: about the timing of your book too, is that it comes,
Speaker 1: you know, during a political climate when you have Republicans
Speaker 1: and read states for instance, that are working overtime to
Speaker 1: erase any um vision, story, narrative outside of a white
Speaker 1: sis hetero quote unquote Christian mail lens. And you know,
Speaker 1: I wonder, you know, do you believe that it is
Speaker 1: through through education that we can bridge this gap? That
Speaker 1: it is through like active understanding. You know. One of
Speaker 1: the things that I liked a lot was when you
Speaker 1: just start off in the beginning and it's like you're
Speaker 1: on your we're all living on stolen land. So let's
Speaker 1: you know, let's let's let's start. Let's start with the
Speaker 1: with the basics, do you think that education and obviously
Speaker 1: what we're seeing is the desire to gas to continue
Speaker 1: to gaslight White America into believing that they are exceptional,
Speaker 1: is the key to kind of to moving us past
Speaker 1: the place that we're in. Education is a part of
Speaker 1: the key. I think education is a part of the
Speaker 1: because you know, if you if you have the facts
Speaker 1: but you don't do anything with the information, then it's
Speaker 1: not actually as helpful as as you know. It's you're
Speaker 1: basically it's still in an uneducated place. The education is
Speaker 1: supposed to get you to knowledge. So for example, if
Speaker 1: you at some point with a kid or will touch
Speaker 1: fire or something hot and go, okay, I shouldn't touch
Speaker 1: that anymore because that's hot. Well, America, we have a
Speaker 1: situation where we are constantly learning, but it's not changing
Speaker 1: our behaviors. We're still touching the hot fire, or we're
Speaker 1: still watching other people that's the hot fire and the
Speaker 1: idea being that. Like so, education is a part of it,
Speaker 1: but it's the very it's one of the very basic
Speaker 1: parts of it. Once you have the knowledge, what are
Speaker 1: you going to do? So even in our landing knowledgement section,
Speaker 1: just because you know you're a Native land. That doesn't
Speaker 1: mean you've connected with the Native communities in your area.
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean you know their history just because you
Speaker 1: know the name of the native land. I'm in Oakland,
Speaker 1: I'm on a loaning territory. That doesn't mean that I'm
Speaker 1: in constant conversation or in constant community with them. And
Speaker 1: so that's why the book is important. It's about action.
Speaker 1: It's about like, now that you know this, what do
Speaker 1: you do next? You know, I am part of I
Speaker 1: guess probably a cadre of black folks who have worked
Speaker 1: across movements and you know, activism and in politics, who
Speaker 1: are exhausted by you know, by quote unquote teaching white
Speaker 1: people to be better than they show themselves to be.
Speaker 1: And there is a part of being black in this
Speaker 1: country where we're all, you know, at some stage in
Speaker 1: our life some type of ambassador for blackness. Right, So
Speaker 1: what do you what do you say? You know, I'm
Speaker 1: certain that people have probably said to you, you know,
Speaker 1: come out like just let them be. Why you know,
Speaker 1: why don't you go rest, Why don't you don't do
Speaker 1: something you know, other than being you know, the emotional
Speaker 1: type of shirpuf for what supremacy. So what do you think?
Speaker 1: What do you say to that? Well, I would say,
Speaker 1: this is this is something I've chosen to be my job.
Speaker 1: So I understand that this is that this is the
Speaker 1: position in men. I'm I'm one of my professional jobs
Speaker 1: is to be a lot of white people's only black friend.
Speaker 1: So I understand that that's the job. And I would say, therefore,
Speaker 1: use me as that resource, not that black lady at
Speaker 1: work who's just trying to get through a day. I
Speaker 1: mean this book in large part, I think, certainly, I
Speaker 1: think black people would get something out of it. Even
Speaker 1: if you are an activist. There are things in here
Speaker 1: you don't know, or things you might be inspired to do,
Speaker 1: or things that you might find funny, and you can
Speaker 1: share that with other people. But it's also communion as
Speaker 1: a helpful link to share with your white co workers
Speaker 1: when they go. But I don't understand why black people
Speaker 1: are blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. Here, read
Speaker 1: this book, do this work. Then once you do that,
Speaker 1: maybe you can come back to me and have a
Speaker 1: more informed conversation. So I would say, black folks, I'm
Speaker 1: not saying you need to buy this book for those people.
Speaker 1: But you can at least send them the linked so
Speaker 1: that they can buy this book, or you can, or
Speaker 1: you can go to your job and go, look, I'm
Speaker 1: tired of having these conversations with all these white people
Speaker 1: around here. Why don't why don't you? Why doesn't my
Speaker 1: job buy these books and have all these people do
Speaker 1: this work so I can at least just live my life. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that that's right. I mean I do find
Speaker 1: in so many different places that people have worked or
Speaker 1: I've worked throughout my life where that has always been
Speaker 1: the de facto right, like oh, you're said black person
Speaker 1: in this space, so you will be the one that
Speaker 1: is my liaison to all things black, and having to
Speaker 1: say I am one but one black person, I am
Speaker 1: not the representative right for black nation, Like this is
Speaker 1: not how this works. I was not the elected. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I think about it. I think how many
Speaker 1: times black people have had to go to work and
Speaker 1: explain Kanye West to white people. I don't even want
Speaker 1: to explain. I don't want to explain Kanye West exactly,
Speaker 1: but we've had to because Kanye West did something, we
Speaker 1: had to go to work the next day and have
Speaker 1: a press conference about what we thought about what Kanye
Speaker 1: West said, did, tweeted, didn't tweet, deleted, instagrammed, because people go,
Speaker 1: what was that? What do you think Kanye? He's running for?
Speaker 1: So we are regularly in the position of having to
Speaker 1: be the spokesperson for our people and not get paid
Speaker 1: for it, Like our jobs don't give us an extra
Speaker 1: ten percent bonus just for being black at work. Oh god,
Speaker 1: that is something that I could get behind in campaign
Speaker 1: for UM. You know, how do you by virtue? You know,
Speaker 1: you have selected this as your path to be this
Speaker 1: kind of guy, to explore in so many ways, you know,
Speaker 1: to get people to be better. How do you and
Speaker 1: how do you take care of yourself? Do you ever
Speaker 1: get to a point come out where no, seriously where
Speaker 1: you're just like, you know, I'm laughing because I don't
Speaker 1: do it. I don't do a great job of it.
Speaker 1: That's why I'm laughing, Not because the questions I'm like,
Speaker 1: I should start taking care of myself. I mean, these
Speaker 1: are again, these are conversations with me and my wife
Speaker 1: have all the time where she's right, like, we need
Speaker 1: to carve out time in your schedule, you need to
Speaker 1: take more breaks, you need to go on vacation by yourself.
Speaker 1: Like She's like, you need to get away, and I'm
Speaker 1: always like, okay, but let me do one more thing
Speaker 1: before I do that. Let me get one more thing,
Speaker 1: because I am aware that my time in the spotlight
Speaker 1: is limited by nature of the fact of how this
Speaker 1: business works. As me and my friend, my best friend
Speaker 1: Jason's aid in high school strike while the iron is lukewarm,
Speaker 1: you can't always wait for the iron to heat up.
Speaker 1: And so the idea being that I get that sometimes
Speaker 1: my career is in a moment where I just need
Speaker 1: to make the most out of what I have because
Speaker 1: there's so much more as at stake than me in
Speaker 1: my career. It's actually and I feel like that this
Speaker 1: is the you know, the least I can do with
Speaker 1: being a black person with a platform is to regularly
Speaker 1: be engaged in anti racism work. So the last couple
Speaker 1: weeks ago, I was on CNN promoting United Shades, and
Speaker 1: at the same time, I wore a shirt that said
Speaker 1: I will aid in a abortion as a way to
Speaker 1: let people know I also stand on this platform too.
Speaker 1: I wore a shirt on CNN while I was promoting
Speaker 1: United Shades that from the Acou that said trans people
Speaker 1: belong as a way to understand I'm also down for
Speaker 1: this too. I feel like I have to multi multitask
Speaker 1: my fights against depression. So the idea being like, so
Speaker 1: I can always do a better job of taking care
Speaker 1: of myself, I need to prioritize that I need to
Speaker 1: take those walks I'm talking about. I got a peloton
Speaker 1: over here that is basically a coat hanger. So I'm
Speaker 1: always trying to engage in ways to take better care
Speaker 1: of myself. But it's just, you know, you think about
Speaker 1: Martin Luther King Jr. And just the fact that if
Speaker 1: you look at pictures of him, he looked like he
Speaker 1: was sixty years old and he was in his thirties.
Speaker 1: He died at thirty nine, and he looked like you
Speaker 1: can see literally the weight of what he's doing way
Speaker 1: on him. You can same thing with Malcolm X. It's
Speaker 1: like you can see the weight of this work. But
Speaker 1: who am I to complain because I'm in a way
Speaker 1: more privileged position than those two now, and you know,
Speaker 1: and that is fair. But there is something there is
Speaker 1: actually a real term for it, and it's called weathering, right.
Speaker 1: It is the weathering that happens on black bodies, both emotionally,
Speaker 1: physically and spiritually, in all of the avenues that we carry.
Speaker 1: And so I think that it's important even though, yes,
Speaker 1: you come from a place of privilege and you have
Speaker 1: an amazing platform that you're using. By virtue of you
Speaker 1: doing things that take care of you gives other people
Speaker 1: around you permission to do the same. So you're My
Speaker 1: wife will be like when she hears this, she'll be
Speaker 1: doing this, She'll be doing the snaps like I try
Speaker 1: to tell him that, I want to say, thank you
Speaker 1: for doing the work right here with me. I appreciate that. Wonderful.
Speaker 1: So what last question for you? What are your hopes?
Speaker 1: What are your hopes with this book, with your continued
Speaker 1: work with United Shades, you know, the hope of where
Speaker 1: we get to next. You know, I think it's I mean,
Speaker 1: I think I feel like I want to think about
Speaker 1: my career. I think about like musicians I'm fans of,
Speaker 1: Like you know, when Public Enemy wrote fight the Power,
Speaker 1: they didn't want you to stop fighting the power when
Speaker 1: the song ended. They wanted you to continue to fight
Speaker 1: the power. So for me, this book is just a
Speaker 1: way to sort of learn how to engage in this work.
Speaker 1: So my hope is that if you read the work
Speaker 1: and you do the work, and you fill out all
Speaker 1: the forms and got all the teas and learn all
Speaker 1: the things that you understand, that once the book is done,
Speaker 1: that you're still doing the work, that becoming an anti
Speaker 1: racist becomes a regular part of your life at the
Speaker 1: very least. I just hope it makes your conversations about
Speaker 1: racism and white and supremacies smarter and not in more
Speaker 1: and better informs that when people say things that are
Speaker 1: ridiculous about critical race, they are you able to be like, no,
Speaker 1: no, no no, that's not actually what you're talking about. That's
Speaker 1: not correct what you're saying. W come out, Bell, Thank
Speaker 1: you so much. Thank you for the work that you're doing.
Speaker 1: Thank you for writing this book and doing the work
Speaker 1: that black the rest of us are too fucking tired
Speaker 1: to do and shouldn't have to do because you've got
Speaker 1: other things to do and shouldn't have to do. But
Speaker 1: genuinely appreciate you and your time. Thank you very much.
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