1 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to Okay F Daily with 2 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody, Recording from the Bunker the folks. 3 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: I want to start off by saying that when at 4 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: the time of this recording, the January sixth primetime hearing 5 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: has not happened yet. But m folks, I want to 6 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 1: alert you to a couple of stories that are not 7 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:39,479 Speaker 1: making the kind of press that I think that they should, 8 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:45,680 Speaker 1: particularly as the January sixth committee will rap, And honestly, 9 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:48,160 Speaker 1: we really don't know if this is actually this eighth 10 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 1: hearing is a rap or it is a rap four 11 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: right now, because what we have seen is that over 12 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 1: the course of the last eight hearings, more information comes out, 13 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 1: more people come forward, more testimony is given, and then boom, 14 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 1: another public hearing. We do know that the that the 15 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 1: committee is up against the clock, given that if midterm 16 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 1: elections go in the direction of Republicans, we know that 17 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 1: this committee's work will be done and this committee will 18 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: be disbanded and Republicans will proceed with a whole bunch 19 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:28,919 Speaker 1: of bullshit that probably looks like Benghazi on crack. So 20 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 1: I want to bring to your attention a story that 21 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 1: I found to be really troubling at science dot org. 22 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 1: And it is this The title of the Science Insider 23 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 1: story is half of Americans anticipate a US civil war soon, 24 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 1: half of those that were surveyed. And I want to 25 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: bring you I'm going to read the first couple of 26 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 1: paragraphs because I think that one, this is really fucking alarming. 27 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 1: But it's also what we have been talking about on 28 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 1: this show for quite some time, and particularly if you 29 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: were listening back to me. You know, four years ago, 30 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:15,160 Speaker 1: four five years ago, when Donald Trump first became president 31 00:02:15,200 --> 00:02:18,360 Speaker 1: of the United States, I said that everything in the 32 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:21,320 Speaker 1: United States was going to get bloodier before it got better. 33 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 1: Lo and behold. I had no idea at the time 34 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:28,360 Speaker 1: that I was saying this that we would see it 35 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 1: an insurrection, that we would see a rise in violence 36 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 1: across this country, that we would have a pandemic and 37 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 1: there would be a rise in gun sales, that racial 38 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 1: resentment and racism would go through the roof, that all 39 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 1: of these things would happen. I thought, you know, that 40 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 1: things would get really bad, but all of these things, 41 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 1: that just the number of things that have happened over 42 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 1: the last five years, in any one year would be historic. 43 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 1: We've experienced more quote unquote history in this short time 44 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 1: period than I think any other generation has in this country, 45 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 1: and so we shouldn't when we see articles like the 46 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 1: one I'm about to delve into, just shrug and say, oh, well, 47 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: that's hyperbolic. No it's not. And we've all experienced what 48 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 1: happens when we ignore things the first fucking time around. 49 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 1: So here it is. Violence can be seen to be 50 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 1: everywhere in the United States, and political violence is in 51 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 1: the spotlight with January six, twenty twenty one, it's insurrection 52 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 1: as exhibit A. Now, a large study confirms one in 53 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: five Americans. One in five Americans believes violence motivated by 54 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 1: political reason is at least sometimes justified. Nearly half expect 55 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 1: a civil war, and many say they would trade democracy 56 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 1: for a strong leader. A pre print posted found this 57 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 1: is not a study that's meant to shock, says Rachel Kleinfeld, 58 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 1: a political violence expert at the Carnegie Endowment for Interracial 59 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 1: Peace who was not involved in the research, But it 60 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 1: should be shocking. Firearm deaths in the United States grew 61 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:22,720 Speaker 1: by nearly forty three percent between twenty ten and twenty twenty, 62 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 1: and gun sales surged during the coronavirus pandemic. Garren written Mute, 63 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:32,840 Speaker 1: an emergency medicine physician and longtime gun violence researcher at 64 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 1: the University of California, Davis, wondered what those trends pretend 65 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:41,880 Speaker 1: to civil unrest quote, sometimes being an er doc is 66 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 1: like being in the bowman on the Titanic going look 67 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 1: at that iceberg. He and his colleague surveyed more than 68 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:52,240 Speaker 1: eighty six hundred adults in English and Spanish about their 69 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: views on democracy in the United States, racial attitudes in 70 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: the US society, and their own attitudes towards political violence. 71 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 1: The respondents or part of the IPSOS Knowledge Panel, an 72 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 1: online research panel that has been used widely, including by 73 00:05:07,920 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 1: whitten Mute for research on violence and firearm ownership. Although 74 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 1: almost all respondents thought it's important right, it's important for 75 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:24,159 Speaker 1: the United States to remain a democracy, forty percent said 76 00:05:24,200 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 1: having a strong leader is more important. Half expect a 77 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 1: civil war in the United States in the next few years. 78 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 1: The fact that this is quote, the fact that basically 79 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 1: half the country is expecting a civil war is just chilling, 80 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:41,720 Speaker 1: whitten Mute says, and many expect to take part if 81 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:44,839 Speaker 1: found in a situation where they think violence is justified 82 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:48,600 Speaker 1: to advance an important political objective. About one in five 83 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:51,880 Speaker 1: respondents think they will likely be armed with a gun. 84 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 1: About seven percent of participants, which would correspond to about 85 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:00,159 Speaker 1: eighteen million US adults, said they would be willing to 86 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 1: kill a person in such situation. Folks, what in the 87 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 1: entire fuck? Okay, it is one thing to read the 88 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 1: writing on the wall. It's one thing to rewatch throughout 89 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 1: all of these hearings, how violent the insurrectionists were, how 90 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 1: they were armed with knives and brass knuckles and guns 91 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 1: and zip ties and just preparing right, as was stated 92 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: by a Jason Hottentov from a former Proud Boy at 93 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:41,360 Speaker 1: the seventh hearing, that they were preparing for this insurrection 94 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:44,719 Speaker 1: to be the spark of a revolutionary war, to be 95 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:47,679 Speaker 1: the spark of a civil war, and they were prepared 96 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 1: as such. And so it should be alarming that this 97 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 1: study that is done finds that forty percent of the 98 00:06:56,800 --> 00:07:02,679 Speaker 1: country scent of those surveyed, not forty percent of the country. 99 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 1: Let me say this again. Forty percent of those surveyed 100 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 1: said that having quote a strong leader is more important 101 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 1: than democracy. Now Here in the United states. We don't 102 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 1: know anything other than the flawed democratic system that we have. 103 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 1: If you have visited other countries that are under communism, 104 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 1: that are under a monarch, that are under varied forms 105 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 1: of government, and you actually talk to those people, they 106 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:37,440 Speaker 1: would tell you how vastly different it is to live 107 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 1: in a country where you no longer have a voice 108 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 1: an opinion, where you no longer are protected in the 109 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 1: actions that you take against your government. And I'm not 110 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 1: talking about an armed fucking insurrection. I'm talking about peaceful protests, 111 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 1: the right to assemble. To think of people saying that 112 00:07:56,920 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 1: they would rather have a quote strong leader, then democracy 113 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 1: is chilling, But pretty much coincides with what we have 114 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: seen over the past five years with the destruction of 115 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 1: our democracy by the Republican Party, the rise of Trump 116 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 1: and Trumpism, and the belief that he alone can fix it. Right. 117 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 1: But what these people, I believe don't really get, because 118 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 1: of course we don't teach civics in any real understanding. 119 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 1: I don't think that they really understand fundamentally what it 120 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 1: means to take away democracy and put in place one 121 00:08:31,160 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: person that gets to make a decision, right, and what 122 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 1: happens to the country what happens to agencies, what happens 123 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:46,680 Speaker 1: to those social safety nets, what happens to your ability. 124 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 1: Let's just say you lose your job, as many did 125 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:54,439 Speaker 1: during the pandemic, to get unemployment again. These are products 126 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:57,920 Speaker 1: of what it means to function inside of a democracy 127 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 1: where the government is set up to help the people, 128 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 1: not help themselves. And what we know to be true 129 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:09,320 Speaker 1: by virtue of the patterns of dictatorships and authoritarian regimes 130 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: and fascism around the globe is that it never actually 131 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 1: ends well, right, but that these people rise into power 132 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 1: at a time when there is such chaos on the 133 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 1: ground that people are just looking for anything that will 134 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 1: relieve their pain. Well, let's look at the plans that 135 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 1: Republicans have had in place right in order to sew unease, 136 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 1: in order to sew upheaval of our political norms, so 137 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 1: that they can create the conditions and the climate that 138 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 1: would have a Donald Trump, a Ron Desantists type come in, 139 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 1: as said quote unquote President. But what we know to 140 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 1: be true is that these people are organizing in plain sight. 141 00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 1: They have been continuing along with their coup after their 142 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: foot soldiers have been picked up by the Department of Justice, 143 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 1: but that they have no qualms about going back to 144 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 1: right the roots of violence in order to get their 145 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 1: job done. So what should be alarming is that when 146 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:18,440 Speaker 1: you look at Republican obstructionism, when you look at what 147 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:21,559 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court has done with regard to a state's 148 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:24,680 Speaker 1: ability to create its own gun laws, when you look 149 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:27,960 Speaker 1: about the erosion of reproductive rights and the ability to 150 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 1: have an abortion, when you look at stories which I 151 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 1: will cover one another one which is a Walgreens worker 152 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 1: in Wisconsin said that he would not sell a customer 153 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:44,679 Speaker 1: condoms because it was against his religious practice. I do 154 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 1: not understand how people understand that a democracy, when we 155 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 1: talk about freedom of religion, is not the freedom to 156 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:57,559 Speaker 1: weaponize your religion against other people who do not subscribe 157 00:10:57,600 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: to the religion that you have. It means that you 158 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 1: who can, in fact, do worship however you see fit 159 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 1: and however you would like your family to see fit. 160 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:09,959 Speaker 1: But that does not mean right that you get to 161 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:15,079 Speaker 1: turn around and weaponize that religion against other people. Similarly, 162 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 1: so with the understanding of white supremacy and patriarchy in 163 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: this country and how it has been weaponized against people 164 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:26,079 Speaker 1: of color, against black people in particular, against non Christians, 165 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:32,080 Speaker 1: in particular, as a way to safeguard white people from 166 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 1: any course correction, from any responsibility and accountability. So long 167 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 1: as you continue to villainize, criminalize, and oppress those that 168 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 1: don't look like you, pray like you, love like you, 169 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 1: so on and so forth. So as the country in 170 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 1: so many ways is dealing with a rising cases of violence, 171 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 1: I think that one of the things that was also 172 00:11:56,160 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 1: said here is this quote. The findings are scary, but 173 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:05,079 Speaker 1: not surprising. Kurt Braddock, who studies the psychology of extremist 174 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 1: communication at American University, wrote to an email in Science. 175 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 1: In recent years, he says the United States has seen 176 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 1: an increase in individual willingness to engage in violence. Homicides 177 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:20,600 Speaker 1: in cities increased forty four percent forty four percent between 178 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen and twenty twenty one, for instance, an attitude, 179 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:27,680 Speaker 1: he says, is likely to spill into the political sphere. Well, 180 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 1: why has violence increased? It isn't because people have become 181 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 1: more violent. It is because our resources have become more limited. Right, 182 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:38,320 Speaker 1: You're talking about inner cities where every single day we're 183 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 1: hearing about inflation, every single day we're hearing about the 184 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 1: housing crisis and the renters crisis right where people are 185 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 1: literally being put out of their homes and onto the 186 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 1: street because they can no longer afford to live because 187 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:54,319 Speaker 1: their paychecks, if they still in fact have a job, 188 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 1: are not going as far as they used to. But 189 00:12:56,760 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 1: the increases in mortgages and rents continue to in and 190 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 1: yet you have the same needs that you did, but 191 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 1: the resources that you have no longer stretched that far. 192 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 1: And if we are continuing to in this country provide 193 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 1: let's say what the Biden administration did this week with 194 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 1: their quote unquote Law and Safety Plan, which is once 195 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 1: again award thirty seven billion dollars to law enforcement to 196 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:25,839 Speaker 1: add one hundred thousand new cops on the street. Well, 197 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 1: as far as I know, cops don't help put food 198 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 1: on the fucking table. That money which Joe Biden is 199 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 1: always hell bent on fund the police, fund the police. 200 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 1: The police don't prevent crime, and they don't help support 201 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 1: any of the ways in which people in this country 202 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 1: are suffering from mental health and emotional instability because of 203 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 1: the compounded crises that we are in. So if you're 204 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 1: not going to get to the heart of the problem, 205 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 1: but then you're going to continue to throw money after 206 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:57,560 Speaker 1: the bad people who cause more problems than they actually solve. Like, 207 00:13:57,640 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 1: how do you think that we are going to get 208 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:02,440 Speaker 1: anywhere other than the place that we are headed, which 209 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 1: is no good right, which is rising anxiety, depression, stress, 210 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:16,200 Speaker 1: joblessness or inflation right, increased prices, homelessness, drug use, all 211 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 1: of these things are on the rise. But we find 212 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 1: that the most important thing to do is throw more money, 213 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 1: throw good money after bad as it pertains to law enforcement. Right. 214 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 1: So you know, in this report, basically what it's saying 215 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 1: is that there's a reason for our nervousness. There's a 216 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 1: reason that we are so at that we're so uneasy, right, 217 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 1: and it's the fact that things continue to get worse. 218 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 1: No one seems to be making a plan for how 219 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 1: they get better, and they continue to fund the same 220 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 1: shit that actually causes more pain that it takes away. 221 00:14:53,240 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 1: So how do we envision that we're not headed to 222 00:14:56,600 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 1: some type of really horrific war, which the way I 223 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:06,560 Speaker 1: think will most likely coincide with the next presidential election. Right, So, 224 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 1: if Republicans take back the House and the Senate take 225 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 1: back Congress launch their bullshit, which they will do, then 226 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 1: we head into an unprotected presidential election that we know 227 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 1: will be rigged. We know what the states are already 228 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 1: planning and who have organized. How do we not think 229 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 1: that violence is going to ensue? And if in that 230 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 1: entire time we have a Department of Justice that continues 231 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 1: to look away from white supremist extremist violence, that continues 232 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 1: to not do anything in terms of holding the people, 233 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 1: the architects, including Donald Trump, responsible right for the insurrection, 234 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 1: then we continue to get more of the same and 235 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 1: more of the same. Of this kind of same is 236 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 1: not going to be able to be stomached by the 237 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 1: people of this country, so we should all be concerned. Lastly, 238 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 1: I want to bring your attention to this story and 239 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 1: this comes. I will read a few lines from our 240 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 1: friend Danielle Campamore, who we have on this show to 241 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:13,280 Speaker 1: talk about abortion. This is what Danielle wrote at today 242 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 1: dot com and the article is a drugstore worker refused 243 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 1: to sell his partner condoms. Now now he's scheduled a vasectomy. 244 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 1: Here it is after a clerk at a national chain 245 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 1: refused to sell a couple condoms because of religious conviction. 246 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 1: The man scheduled a vasectomy. Nate Pence, who lives in Minnesota, 247 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 1: was shopping at a Walgreens in Hayward, Wisconsin with his 248 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 1: partner Jess. As Jess was checking out, Pence says the 249 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 1: cashier refused to sell her condoms. We went to Hayward 250 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 1: to get some growth series at a stop at Walgreens 251 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 1: because we had just left Jess's birth control at home. 252 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 1: As Jess was checking out, cashier John told her he 253 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 1: couldn't sell her condoms because it goes against my faith. 254 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 1: In another tweet, Pence said that his partner told the 255 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 1: clerk for her desire to purchase condoms was none of 256 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 1: his business. I can get a manager here. Do you 257 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:09,080 Speaker 1: want me to finish checking these things? Not from you? So. 258 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:12,480 Speaker 1: Pence also shared a screenshot of a complaint his partner 259 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 1: made to the store after they were prompted to describe 260 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 1: their recent experience. In a statement to NBC News, a 261 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 1: Walgreen spokesperson said that the company's policies are designed to 262 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 1: ensure we meet the needs of our patients and customers 263 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:29,880 Speaker 1: while respecting the religious and moral beliefs of our team members. 264 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 1: The instances are rare, however, when a team member has 265 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:36,400 Speaker 1: a moral or religious conviction about completing a transaction, they 266 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:39,920 Speaker 1: are required to refer the customer to another employee or 267 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 1: manager on duty who will complete the transaction, which is 268 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 1: what occurred in this statement. This is absolute bullshit and 269 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:51,360 Speaker 1: mayhem right, and this is all coming on the heels 270 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 1: of the reversal of Rob Wade in the Dab's decision 271 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 1: that came down from the Supreme Court, the desire that 272 00:17:57,359 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 1: for Republicans who voted against the codification of birth control 273 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 1: into law, right to make sure that you don't have 274 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:09,639 Speaker 1: shit like this happened, because this isn't again about abortion, 275 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 1: it is about control. Because not selling condoms goes against 276 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 1: your religious beliefs, then you shouldn't be working out a 277 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 1: fucking place that sells them. How about that, right, because 278 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 1: the place also sells a whole host of things like 279 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:24,639 Speaker 1: beer and this, that and the other thing. You don't 280 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:27,359 Speaker 1: get as an employee to cherry pick what it is 281 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 1: that you do. If you have that kind of religious conviction, 282 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 1: then go work out a fucking church. Right, Like, this 283 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:38,399 Speaker 1: is the shit that really begins to grade on my 284 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 1: nerves and all of our nerves when we're like, you again, 285 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 1: have the right to practice whatever religion it is that 286 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:47,399 Speaker 1: you want, but you do not have the right to 287 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 1: force the rest of us to abide by your religious principles. 288 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 1: That is not what it means to have religious freedom. 289 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 1: But this country, along with many other rights are just 290 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:59,679 Speaker 1: flying out the window. So who knows will will be 291 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 1: a couple of months from now. Coming up next, friends, 292 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 1: I'm very excited to welcome to woka F for the 293 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:12,439 Speaker 1: first time w Kamal Bell, who is the author of 294 00:19:12,480 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 1: a new book work book, anti racist activity book called 295 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 1: Do the Work, along with Kate Shots and we get 296 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 1: into a discussion of what it means to really be 297 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:28,879 Speaker 1: an anti racist and for those people who say that 298 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:32,400 Speaker 1: they want to do something, here is the something that 299 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: you can do. That conversation is coming up next. 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Each week 316 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 1: on The Gapfest, John Dickerson, Emily Bathlon and I decipher 317 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 1: the headlines, break down the races, and tell you what 318 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:59,120 Speaker 1: issues really matter. We do not always agree, We definitely 319 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:02,680 Speaker 1: do not always agree, but we always deliver thoughtful debate 320 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 1: and we always have a good time. So subscribe to 321 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:10,879 Speaker 1: Slates Political Gapfest New episodes every Thursday, Folks. I am 322 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:14,159 Speaker 1: very excited to welcome to Willkate f Daily for the 323 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 1: very first time. W Camal Bell, who you all know 324 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:21,399 Speaker 1: as a comedian as a straight Shooter on CNN Emmy 325 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:25,639 Speaker 1: Award winning show and the new author of Do the Work, 326 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:32,160 Speaker 1: An Anti racist activity book along with Kate Chats come out. 327 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 1: I want to understand from your vantage point, why you 328 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:39,680 Speaker 1: think that now, Other than the fact that the world 329 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:42,719 Speaker 1: is collapsing, our democracy is dying, and white supremacies at 330 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:44,920 Speaker 1: an all time high and black people get murdered in 331 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 1: the street on a regular basis, why is now the 332 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 1: right time for this book. Well, I'm gonna quote somebody 333 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 1: I heard who say democracy is dying and white supremacies 334 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 1: at an all time high. I'm a quote a wary, 335 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 1: wise person named Danielle who who said that. So you 336 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 1: know this book was written too. We started writing this 337 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:07,879 Speaker 1: book two years ago in the middle of of after 338 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 1: George Floyd was murdered and there was all and Brianna 339 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 1: Taylor by the police and and there was racial reckonings 340 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 1: in the streets and protests, and the publisher was like, 341 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 1: I wish we could release it now, and it was like, 342 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 1: don't worry, racism will still be here when we're ready 343 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:23,280 Speaker 1: to release it. And we didn't know January sixth was coming. 344 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 1: We didn't know that Donald Trump was going to say 345 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:28,879 Speaker 1: the election was stolen was coming. We didn't know that 346 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 1: we would still be dealing with COVID misinformation and news misinformation. 347 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 1: So it's it's always the time to come back racism 348 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 1: in America, you know. I, well, I love the book 349 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 1: because one I am a person of a certain generation 350 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 1: who loved Highlights, as I mentioned in another interview that 351 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:51,880 Speaker 1: you did, and you say it's it's said it expressly 352 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,879 Speaker 1: in the book that you know, this is for white people. 353 00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:57,720 Speaker 1: And so I want to ask you, you know, as somebody. 354 00:22:57,920 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 1: And by the way, I'll tell you that when you're 355 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 1: show first aired on CNN, I was actually quite concerned 356 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:08,119 Speaker 1: for you traveling around the country, so you and my 357 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 1: wife both Yeah, right, I was concerned about you traveling 358 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 1: around the country and wondering, Oh my god, I hope 359 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 1: that he's safe. I hope they have security. I hope 360 00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:19,119 Speaker 1: he'll be Well when you say that this book is 361 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,160 Speaker 1: you know, is for white people and obviously anybody else 362 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 1: that wants to read it, how do you anticipate getting 363 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 1: white people who continue to say what can I do 364 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 1: and what should I do to actually, you know, use 365 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:36,640 Speaker 1: this as as a guide. Well, here's the thing. It's 366 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 1: like I always compare this to like working out or exercising. 367 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,560 Speaker 1: If you walk into the gym and you get a 368 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,919 Speaker 1: smoothie and you go sit in the hot tub, and 369 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 1: you go into the workout room and you look around 370 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 1: and see all the machines are taken and you go home. Yes, 371 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 1: you went to the gym, but you did not indeed workout. 372 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,120 Speaker 1: And so we all know when we're bull when we're 373 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,680 Speaker 1: bsing ourselves about doing the work. And so a lot 374 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 1: of white folks when they say what can I do, 375 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,639 Speaker 1: We're gonna hand you a book that tells you exactly 376 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,199 Speaker 1: what you can do, and we're gonna lead you through it. 377 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:09,159 Speaker 1: And the book was co written by Kate Shots and so, 378 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:12,359 Speaker 1: a white woman who speaks white people very fluently. And 379 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 1: so we're gonna lead you through this step by step, 380 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 1: and we're gonna and we're gonna make it fun, which 381 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 1: it shouldn't necessarily have to be fun, but we're gonna 382 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:23,680 Speaker 1: make it fun. We've hired over fifteen different black, Indigenous, 383 00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 1: Latin x Asian American artists of color to make these things, 384 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 1: and we're gonna have all sorts of different fun ways 385 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:33,240 Speaker 1: to do this so that it will be more irresistible, 386 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 1: as we say the revolution should be to do this. 387 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,200 Speaker 1: And we're also gonna list things you can do in 388 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 1: your neighborhood, in your community to get the work done. 389 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:43,680 Speaker 1: If at that point you don't want to do it, 390 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 1: then you're really saying I don't want to do the work. 391 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 1: I want to live in a white supremacy society. And 392 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 1: also also, we're not the only book that has ever 393 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 1: tried to get people to do this work. There's many 394 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 1: different amazing anti racist books. We just felt like there's 395 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 1: a way in which this is not being handled and 396 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 1: we want to help contribute to this discussion, you know, 397 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:05,479 Speaker 1: through work on this book over the last two years 398 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:09,239 Speaker 1: and then work on your show on CNN. What are 399 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 1: some of the most surprising things that have come up 400 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 1: for you with regard to dealing with varied opinions of 401 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:22,399 Speaker 1: white people, some who are alarmingly racist and outwardly so, 402 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:26,159 Speaker 1: and then others that are actually are also racist but 403 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 1: think that they are progressive or think, you know, um, 404 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 1: that they don't have a quote racist bone in their body. 405 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:36,479 Speaker 1: Um what? What? What has come up for for you 406 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 1: over the past several years. When I hear people say 407 00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 1: they don't have a racist bone in their body, I'm like, oh, 408 00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:44,719 Speaker 1: you must be boneless then, so like, uh so, the 409 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,640 Speaker 1: idea being that this we still live in a country 410 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:52,159 Speaker 1: that thought that there was a good response to George 411 00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 1: Floyd's murder by the police and Branna Taylor's killing by police, 412 00:25:56,640 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 1: was making Juneteenth a federal holiday, like that was the 413 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 1: thing we were asking for. That, Oh, that's you just 414 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,119 Speaker 1: wanted another day off work. And we still live in 415 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 1: a country that not only that, this year, all these 416 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 1: things went around where people were sitting out like flyers 417 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,239 Speaker 1: for Juneteenth celebrations that had nothing but white people on it, 418 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 1: or people were saying for Juneteenth, we're gonna have a watermelon, 419 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 1: you know, ice cream cream freedom, Yeah. Yeah. Major corporations, 420 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 1: you know, Walmart is making Juneteenth ice cream or whatever 421 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,440 Speaker 1: or selling Juneteenth ice cream. The idea being like people 422 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,719 Speaker 1: are still very confused about what the work is, and 423 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 1: so for us, it's like this is no different than 424 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,680 Speaker 1: when you bought your peloton and it said all right, 425 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 1: today's day one and and then and it's gonna tell 426 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 1: you you've been doing it this many weeks in a row, 427 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,359 Speaker 1: which needs you're actually do getting a benefit from this. 428 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 1: You need to put this in your Google calendar. You 429 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:51,879 Speaker 1: need to put this in your spreadsheet. However you do 430 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,439 Speaker 1: your work generally in every other aspect of your life. 431 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 1: You need to put this on your posted notes, on 432 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,399 Speaker 1: your to do list. The book has to do lists. 433 00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 1: You need to know who your local representatives are when 434 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,359 Speaker 1: they're running for reelection. You need to know what side 435 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 1: of the issues they're on. You need to do. This 436 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:07,920 Speaker 1: needs to be embedded as a part of your life. 437 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 1: The same with the other things that are really important 438 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:13,400 Speaker 1: to you are embedded in your life. You know. One 439 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:15,520 Speaker 1: of the things that I think is also really interesting 440 00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,160 Speaker 1: about the timing of your book too, is that it comes, 441 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:22,640 Speaker 1: you know, during a political climate when you have Republicans 442 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,919 Speaker 1: and read states for instance, that are working overtime to 443 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:31,879 Speaker 1: erase any um vision, story, narrative outside of a white 444 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 1: sis hetero quote unquote Christian mail lens. And you know, 445 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 1: I wonder, you know, do you believe that it is 446 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 1: through through education that we can bridge this gap? That 447 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 1: it is through like active understanding. You know. One of 448 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 1: the things that I liked a lot was when you 449 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,120 Speaker 1: just start off in the beginning and it's like you're 450 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 1: on your we're all living on stolen land. So let's 451 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 1: you know, let's let's let's start. Let's start with the 452 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 1: with the basics, do you think that education and obviously 453 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 1: what we're seeing is the desire to gas to continue 454 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:09,359 Speaker 1: to gaslight White America into believing that they are exceptional, 455 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 1: is the key to kind of to moving us past 456 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:17,119 Speaker 1: the place that we're in. Education is a part of 457 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,439 Speaker 1: the key. I think education is a part of the 458 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 1: because you know, if you if you have the facts 459 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 1: but you don't do anything with the information, then it's 460 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 1: not actually as helpful as as you know. It's you're 461 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,200 Speaker 1: basically it's still in an uneducated place. The education is 462 00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,880 Speaker 1: supposed to get you to knowledge. So for example, if 463 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 1: you at some point with a kid or will touch 464 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:37,880 Speaker 1: fire or something hot and go, okay, I shouldn't touch 465 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 1: that anymore because that's hot. Well, America, we have a 466 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:43,480 Speaker 1: situation where we are constantly learning, but it's not changing 467 00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 1: our behaviors. We're still touching the hot fire, or we're 468 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 1: still watching other people that's the hot fire and the 469 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 1: idea being that. Like so, education is a part of it, 470 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,080 Speaker 1: but it's the very it's one of the very basic 471 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 1: parts of it. Once you have the knowledge, what are 472 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 1: you going to do? So even in our landing knowledgement section, 473 00:28:57,880 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 1: just because you know you're a Native land. That doesn't 474 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 1: mean you've connected with the Native communities in your area. 475 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 1: That doesn't mean you know their history just because you 476 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 1: know the name of the native land. I'm in Oakland, 477 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 1: I'm on a loaning territory. That doesn't mean that I'm 478 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 1: in constant conversation or in constant community with them. And 479 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 1: so that's why the book is important. It's about action. 480 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 1: It's about like, now that you know this, what do 481 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 1: you do next? You know, I am part of I 482 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 1: guess probably a cadre of black folks who have worked 483 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 1: across movements and you know, activism and in politics, who 484 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 1: are exhausted by you know, by quote unquote teaching white 485 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 1: people to be better than they show themselves to be. 486 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,720 Speaker 1: And there is a part of being black in this 487 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:44,720 Speaker 1: country where we're all, you know, at some stage in 488 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:48,080 Speaker 1: our life some type of ambassador for blackness. Right, So 489 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 1: what do you what do you say? You know, I'm 490 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,320 Speaker 1: certain that people have probably said to you, you know, 491 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 1: come out like just let them be. Why you know, 492 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 1: why don't you go rest, Why don't you don't do 493 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 1: something you know, other than being you know, the emotional 494 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 1: type of shirpuf for what supremacy. So what do you think? 495 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 1: What do you say to that? Well, I would say, 496 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 1: this is this is something I've chosen to be my job. 497 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,120 Speaker 1: So I understand that this is that this is the 498 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 1: position in men. I'm I'm one of my professional jobs 499 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 1: is to be a lot of white people's only black friend. 500 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 1: So I understand that that's the job. And I would say, therefore, 501 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 1: use me as that resource, not that black lady at 502 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 1: work who's just trying to get through a day. I 503 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,240 Speaker 1: mean this book in large part, I think, certainly, I 504 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,080 Speaker 1: think black people would get something out of it. Even 505 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 1: if you are an activist. There are things in here 506 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 1: you don't know, or things you might be inspired to do, 507 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 1: or things that you might find funny, and you can 508 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 1: share that with other people. But it's also communion as 509 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 1: a helpful link to share with your white co workers 510 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 1: when they go. But I don't understand why black people 511 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 1: are blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. Here, read 512 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 1: this book, do this work. Then once you do that, 513 00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:54,520 Speaker 1: maybe you can come back to me and have a 514 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 1: more informed conversation. So I would say, black folks, I'm 515 00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,520 Speaker 1: not saying you need to buy this book for those people. 516 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 1: But you can at least send them the linked so 517 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,400 Speaker 1: that they can buy this book, or you can, or 518 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:05,040 Speaker 1: you can go to your job and go, look, I'm 519 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,080 Speaker 1: tired of having these conversations with all these white people 520 00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 1: around here. Why don't why don't you? Why doesn't my 521 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 1: job buy these books and have all these people do 522 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 1: this work so I can at least just live my life. Yeah, 523 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 1: I think that that's right. I mean I do find 524 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,480 Speaker 1: in so many different places that people have worked or 525 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 1: I've worked throughout my life where that has always been 526 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 1: the de facto right, like oh, you're said black person 527 00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 1: in this space, so you will be the one that 528 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 1: is my liaison to all things black, and having to 529 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 1: say I am one but one black person, I am 530 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 1: not the representative right for black nation, Like this is 531 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:43,120 Speaker 1: not how this works. I was not the elected. Yeah, 532 00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:44,520 Speaker 1: I mean I think about it. I think how many 533 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 1: times black people have had to go to work and 534 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:51,720 Speaker 1: explain Kanye West to white people. I don't even want 535 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 1: to explain. I don't want to explain Kanye West exactly, 536 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,680 Speaker 1: but we've had to because Kanye West did something, we 537 00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:57,960 Speaker 1: had to go to work the next day and have 538 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 1: a press conference about what we thought about what Kanye 539 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 1: West said, did, tweeted, didn't tweet, deleted, instagrammed, because people go, 540 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 1: what was that? What do you think Kanye? He's running for? 541 00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 1: So we are regularly in the position of having to 542 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,560 Speaker 1: be the spokesperson for our people and not get paid 543 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 1: for it, Like our jobs don't give us an extra 544 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,720 Speaker 1: ten percent bonus just for being black at work. Oh god, 545 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 1: that is something that I could get behind in campaign 546 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:28,800 Speaker 1: for UM. You know, how do you by virtue? You know, 547 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 1: you have selected this as your path to be this 548 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:35,040 Speaker 1: kind of guy, to explore in so many ways, you know, 549 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,280 Speaker 1: to get people to be better. How do you and 550 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:40,840 Speaker 1: how do you take care of yourself? Do you ever 551 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 1: get to a point come out where no, seriously where 552 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 1: you're just like, you know, I'm laughing because I don't 553 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:47,160 Speaker 1: do it. I don't do a great job of it. 554 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,280 Speaker 1: That's why I'm laughing, Not because the questions I'm like, 555 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 1: I should start taking care of myself. I mean, these 556 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 1: are again, these are conversations with me and my wife 557 00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 1: have all the time where she's right, like, we need 558 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:56,840 Speaker 1: to carve out time in your schedule, you need to 559 00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 1: take more breaks, you need to go on vacation by yourself. 560 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,200 Speaker 1: Like She's like, you need to get away, and I'm 561 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:03,960 Speaker 1: always like, okay, but let me do one more thing 562 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:05,360 Speaker 1: before I do that. Let me get one more thing, 563 00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,240 Speaker 1: because I am aware that my time in the spotlight 564 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,440 Speaker 1: is limited by nature of the fact of how this 565 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,240 Speaker 1: business works. As me and my friend, my best friend 566 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 1: Jason's aid in high school strike while the iron is lukewarm, 567 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:18,239 Speaker 1: you can't always wait for the iron to heat up. 568 00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:20,560 Speaker 1: And so the idea being that I get that sometimes 569 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 1: my career is in a moment where I just need 570 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,840 Speaker 1: to make the most out of what I have because 571 00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:27,760 Speaker 1: there's so much more as at stake than me in 572 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,120 Speaker 1: my career. It's actually and I feel like that this 573 00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:31,800 Speaker 1: is the you know, the least I can do with 574 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,440 Speaker 1: being a black person with a platform is to regularly 575 00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:36,960 Speaker 1: be engaged in anti racism work. So the last couple 576 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,720 Speaker 1: weeks ago, I was on CNN promoting United Shades, and 577 00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:41,560 Speaker 1: at the same time, I wore a shirt that said 578 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:43,920 Speaker 1: I will aid in a abortion as a way to 579 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 1: let people know I also stand on this platform too. 580 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 1: I wore a shirt on CNN while I was promoting 581 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 1: United Shades that from the Acou that said trans people 582 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,080 Speaker 1: belong as a way to understand I'm also down for 583 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 1: this too. I feel like I have to multi multitask 584 00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:00,360 Speaker 1: my fights against depression. So the idea being like, so 585 00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:02,680 Speaker 1: I can always do a better job of taking care 586 00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:04,840 Speaker 1: of myself, I need to prioritize that I need to 587 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:06,960 Speaker 1: take those walks I'm talking about. I got a peloton 588 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,759 Speaker 1: over here that is basically a coat hanger. So I'm 589 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,040 Speaker 1: always trying to engage in ways to take better care 590 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,279 Speaker 1: of myself. But it's just, you know, you think about 591 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,080 Speaker 1: Martin Luther King Jr. And just the fact that if 592 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,040 Speaker 1: you look at pictures of him, he looked like he 593 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,960 Speaker 1: was sixty years old and he was in his thirties. 594 00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,160 Speaker 1: He died at thirty nine, and he looked like you 595 00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,799 Speaker 1: can see literally the weight of what he's doing way 596 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:27,879 Speaker 1: on him. You can same thing with Malcolm X. It's 597 00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:29,879 Speaker 1: like you can see the weight of this work. But 598 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:31,839 Speaker 1: who am I to complain because I'm in a way 599 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 1: more privileged position than those two now, and you know, 600 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,719 Speaker 1: and that is fair. But there is something there is 601 00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,959 Speaker 1: actually a real term for it, and it's called weathering, right. 602 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:44,759 Speaker 1: It is the weathering that happens on black bodies, both emotionally, 603 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,760 Speaker 1: physically and spiritually, in all of the avenues that we carry. 604 00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,160 Speaker 1: And so I think that it's important even though, yes, 605 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,719 Speaker 1: you come from a place of privilege and you have 606 00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,960 Speaker 1: an amazing platform that you're using. By virtue of you 607 00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,840 Speaker 1: doing things that take care of you gives other people 608 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:05,480 Speaker 1: around you permission to do the same. So you're My 609 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,920 Speaker 1: wife will be like when she hears this, she'll be 610 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,439 Speaker 1: doing this, She'll be doing the snaps like I try 611 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,600 Speaker 1: to tell him that, I want to say, thank you 612 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:17,759 Speaker 1: for doing the work right here with me. I appreciate that. Wonderful. 613 00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,480 Speaker 1: So what last question for you? What are your hopes? 614 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:25,240 Speaker 1: What are your hopes with this book, with your continued 615 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,200 Speaker 1: work with United Shades, you know, the hope of where 616 00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:31,120 Speaker 1: we get to next. You know, I think it's I mean, 617 00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:32,479 Speaker 1: I think I feel like I want to think about 618 00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:35,200 Speaker 1: my career. I think about like musicians I'm fans of, 619 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,400 Speaker 1: Like you know, when Public Enemy wrote fight the Power, 620 00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:39,600 Speaker 1: they didn't want you to stop fighting the power when 621 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:41,480 Speaker 1: the song ended. They wanted you to continue to fight 622 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,880 Speaker 1: the power. So for me, this book is just a 623 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,719 Speaker 1: way to sort of learn how to engage in this work. 624 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:48,680 Speaker 1: So my hope is that if you read the work 625 00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:50,239 Speaker 1: and you do the work, and you fill out all 626 00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:52,239 Speaker 1: the forms and got all the teas and learn all 627 00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:54,400 Speaker 1: the things that you understand, that once the book is done, 628 00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,160 Speaker 1: that you're still doing the work, that becoming an anti 629 00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,799 Speaker 1: racist becomes a regular part of your life at the 630 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,319 Speaker 1: very least. I just hope it makes your conversations about 631 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,160 Speaker 1: racism and white and supremacies smarter and not in more 632 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:07,839 Speaker 1: and better informs that when people say things that are 633 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,520 Speaker 1: ridiculous about critical race, they are you able to be like, no, 634 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:13,160 Speaker 1: no, no no, that's not actually what you're talking about. That's 635 00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:18,120 Speaker 1: not correct what you're saying. W come out, Bell, Thank 636 00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,759 Speaker 1: you so much. 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