1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:02,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. 2 00:00:02,360 --> 00:00:06,520 Speaker 2: Today, I have Ambassador Yahiel Lighter with me. Thank you 3 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 2: so much for joining me. He is Israel's ambassador to Washington. 4 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 2: Thank you for joining today. 5 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 3: It's good to be with you, tu, Thank you for. 6 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: Having me absolutely so. 7 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 2: Obviously we want to talk about what is going on 8 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:19,599 Speaker 2: in the Middle East. 9 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:21,119 Speaker 1: There's so much happening. 10 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:24,079 Speaker 2: We know that there is the ceasefire, but we've had 11 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 2: some breaches in Israel has taken action. Do you expect 12 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 2: that to be sort of a back and forth for 13 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 2: a while or what are you expecting this in the ceasefire? 14 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:39,199 Speaker 3: Well, Tutor, nobody really knows because this has never been 15 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 3: done before. Hamas occupies an area which is originally twenty 16 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:48,200 Speaker 3: four miles long and eight miles wide, with two point 17 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 3: two million people and terror tunnels that are four hundred 18 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 3: and fifty miles of networking. And you have to understand 19 00:00:55,600 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 3: it's basically a city underground, a terror city, which initially 20 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 3: has some forty fifty thousand armed terrorists the teeth. Now 21 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:08,759 Speaker 3: we've degraded them considerably. We're sitting on fifty a little 22 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 3: over fifty percent of the territory now and making sure 23 00:01:11,920 --> 00:01:15,039 Speaker 3: that the tunnels are eliminated, that no terrorists go into 24 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 3: that area. And we're very enthused and encouraged by the 25 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 3: ceasefire that the President has really invested in. President Trump 26 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 3: did something really incredible through his envoys, Secretary of State Rubio, 27 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:35,319 Speaker 3: Vice President Fans, Jared Kushner, and See Winkoff, because basically, 28 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:39,120 Speaker 3: not only do we get the twenty live hostages out, 29 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 3: which nobody thought could be done except the Prime Minister 30 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:43,959 Speaker 3: of Israel, who's stuck to his guns throughout this entire 31 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 3: processes that we've got to get all the hostages out, 32 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 3: we still have thirteen deceased hostages we have to get out, 33 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 3: and according to the agreement, they're committed to doing that. 34 00:01:55,320 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 3: But nobody thought that we'd achieved the commitment for complete 35 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 3: disarming of HMAS and the demilitarization of Gaza. And that's 36 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 3: really the great success of the agreement. Now, the problem 37 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 3: is it needs to be implemented. But we do have 38 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:17,920 Speaker 3: a firm commitment by all those signed on to the 39 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 3: agreement that this will be the case. We cannot have 40 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 3: ever again jihadis living on our border. What happened on 41 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 3: October seventh cannot be repeated. Again, whether it's in Gaza 42 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 3: or in South Lebanon or on the Syrian border. We're 43 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 3: a very small country. We're a tiny country. I mean, 44 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 3: we can fit into Indiana four times, we fit into 45 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:41,079 Speaker 3: Nebraska about seven times. We don't have territory to give up, 46 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:44,000 Speaker 3: and we certainly cannot have Jihadis on our border committed 47 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 3: to our destruction. So we've gone through this year degrading 48 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:52,200 Speaker 3: the Iranian proxies. We've degraded Ramas, We've degraded risbala Osada 49 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 3: has fallen in Syria. Together with the United States, we 50 00:02:55,919 --> 00:03:00,360 Speaker 3: dramatically degraded Iran the head of the stake. But we 51 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 3: still need to see this deal that the President has 52 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 3: broken implemented, and that's going to be a challenge, but 53 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 3: we're hoping it's going to work. 54 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: Let me ask you. 55 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 2: You are an American born in Israeli. You lived in 56 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 2: the United States until you were eighteen? 57 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 1: Is that correct? 58 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:15,399 Speaker 3: It's correct. Scranton, Pennsylvania. 59 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 1: Okay, Oh, you're a Scranton guy. 60 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 2: Your Scranton guy did not get this done for you, 61 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 2: though it was Donald Trump. 62 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 3: Well yeah, yeah, I mean, don't hold Scranton against me. 63 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 3: I was just born there. My Bank actually is still 64 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 3: on Joe Biden Boulevard, right. But yes, this disagreement came 65 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 3: to President Trump absolutely well. 66 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 2: So I wanted to bring that up because obviously you 67 00:03:40,600 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 2: grew up the way most of us and most of 68 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 2: my listeners grew up here in the United States. Obviously, 69 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 2: then you moved to Israel, so you have seen both 70 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 2: sides of that. I think many Americans have no idea 71 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 2: what we're actually dealing with when you talk about the 72 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 2: Gaza Israel battle that has been going on for years. 73 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 2: But you brought up the fact that this is like 74 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:05,119 Speaker 2: a city underground. That's something that we don't actually hear 75 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 2: a lot about. We've heard kind of grumblings of there's 76 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 2: these tunnels and there's that makes it a challenge. But 77 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 2: you said something about what two hundred and fifty miles 78 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 2: of tunnels, and this is an entire. 79 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 3: Four hundred and fifty miles, four. 80 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:18,719 Speaker 1: Hundred and fifty miles. 81 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:22,039 Speaker 2: Explain that a little bit to us, because I don't 82 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 2: think that we have a good comprehension of what we're 83 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 2: dealing with. These are not citizens in these tunnels, right, 84 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 2: This is Hamas. 85 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 3: Absolutely, we're talking about Hamas. I think the best way 86 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 3: to explain it would be to ask your viewers, your 87 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 3: listeners to imagine MS thirteen. Okay, a gang, a well 88 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 3: known gang in the United States, takes over a city 89 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:56,600 Speaker 3: and under that city they create underground tunnels to protect themselves, 90 00:04:56,600 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 3: so they can shoot missiles into the surround and then 91 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 3: you can't really respond because they run into the tunnels 92 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 3: and to shoot back would mean to kill many civilians. 93 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:11,159 Speaker 3: That's the dilemma that we've been in repeatedly. How do 94 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 3: you defeat an enemy that both uses above ground and 95 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 3: underground facilities. As a matter of fact, the most accomplished 96 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:25,239 Speaker 3: expert on urban warfare, John Spencer, who teaches at West Point, 97 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 3: has said repeatedly that no army in the world has 98 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:32,599 Speaker 3: ever had to confront what we had to confront in Gaza. 99 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 3: And you know the ratio, it's terrible. Every death is terrible, 100 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 3: Every innocent death is terrible. And we did everything we 101 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:47,040 Speaker 3: could possibly do to limit a collateral damage, noncombatant damage. 102 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 3: And quite frankly, if we did what we're being accused 103 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:56,040 Speaker 3: of doing of you know, killing civilians without any measure, 104 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 3: my son might be alive today. I mean, look, he 105 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 3: went in, he led forces is into Gaza by foot 106 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 3: seeking terrorists. Now, if we just straft bombed the population centers, 107 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:10,840 Speaker 3: as democratic armies have done all over the world. I 108 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:13,279 Speaker 3: don't want to mention any names, right, but if you 109 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 3: straft bomb population centers, you'll ultimately get to the to 110 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:20,360 Speaker 3: the terrorists, but you're also going to kill many, many civilians. 111 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:24,280 Speaker 3: Our ratio was better than the ratio that the US 112 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 3: had and Moscle, for example, which was one to three. 113 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:30,320 Speaker 3: We're at about one to one point five. That's a 114 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:34,599 Speaker 3: tremendously it's hard to say successful ratio, but it's war, 115 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 3: and in war, that's a very unusual ratio. And Spencer 116 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 3: has made the point that no one has ever had 117 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 3: to deal with this kind of complicated warfare. We've done 118 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 3: it really with two hands tied behind our back, because 119 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 3: not only were there civilians there, but they were holding 120 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 3: our civilian they were holding our hostages, right, so we 121 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 3: wanted to prevent civilian deaths and of course from that 122 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:01,440 Speaker 3: affecting our hostages as well. So it was very complicated, 123 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 3: a very difficult challenge that we face. But overall, we've 124 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 3: degraded the Iranian proxies. I Ran had this idea that 125 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 3: they would create a ring of fire. Okay, how do 126 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 3: you destroy Israel which has a strong, very strong conventional army. 127 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 3: So they had this idea of a ring of fire. 128 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 3: They'd have Hamas in the southwest, the Huti's in the southeast, 129 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 3: Rispala in the north, the Oside regime in Syria, Hispala, 130 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 3: Iraq and everybody would attack at the same time. And 131 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:34,320 Speaker 3: because we're such a small country, I mean, the whole 132 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 3: country is like forty miles wide, right, so they would 133 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 3: shoot missiles at the same time into the center of 134 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 3: the country. The center of the country is where seventy 135 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 3: percent of the population is. So if all of these 136 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 3: proxies attacked at the same time and our reservists couldn't 137 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 3: get out of the center of the country to the periphery, 138 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 3: we'd be destroyed. That was the idea. And Sinowar, the 139 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 3: leader of Hamas at the time, simply jumped the gun. 140 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 3: He did wait for everybody else, And had he not 141 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 3: done that, we would have been a much more difficult predicament. 142 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 3: So this way we were able to confront Hamas and 143 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 3: then confront Risbala. And what we've done is we've changed 144 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:15,720 Speaker 3: the Middle East. Because Hamas is degraded, Chrisbala's degraded. We 145 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 3: have a government in Lebanon that really wants peace, that 146 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:24,679 Speaker 3: talks about disarming Risbaala, the outside regime, that cruel, murderous regime. 147 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 3: And Damascus has fallen. There's a leader there that's now 148 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 3: talking about at least talking about we have to give 149 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:35,959 Speaker 3: him a chance creating a civil society. And Iran has 150 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 3: been tremendously degraded because of the incredible partnership that we 151 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 3: have with the United States, the intel sharing, the air 152 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 3: forces that are shared with each other's capabilities, and we 153 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 3: created something just absolutely astounding. We abolished, abolished, we obliterated, 154 00:08:56,360 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 3: as the President said, the Rand nuclear program, which is 155 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 3: an existential threat to Israel. 156 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 2: You talk about the importance of doing this, but it's 157 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 2: also very important to you and very personal to you 158 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 2: because your son. You mentioned your son, he was an 159 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 2: IDF soldier. He went into Was it one of these 160 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 2: tunnels that he went into where he lost his life 161 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 2: in battle? 162 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 3: Well, my son was spent fifteen years in Special Ops. 163 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 3: It had actually trained together with Delta Forest. He was 164 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 3: Air Force Special Ops and at the age of thirty three, 165 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 3: decided to leave. Although he was in line to take 166 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 3: command of the unit. And he went to med school 167 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 3: because he said, I spent fifteen years in the army 168 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 3: and now want to spend the rest of my life 169 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 3: saving lives. And he had completed med school actually just 170 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 3: before the war. He got his white jacket on August 171 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 3: twenty twenty three. And he was the oldest of my age. 172 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:54,839 Speaker 1: Old, yes, before the war, just. 173 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:56,680 Speaker 3: Before the war. Yeah, he was supposed to start his 174 00:09:56,800 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 3: rounds in the hospital on August on October eighth, Yeah, 175 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 3: a dak. Yeah, but that he was the father of 176 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 3: six children and he was the oldest of eight children. 177 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 3: He was my best friend. It was an incredible human 178 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 3: being and he was he led forces. Actually the forces 179 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 3: entered Gaza in kind of a pyramid, and he was 180 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 3: the lead company because he was so smart and really 181 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 3: a field fox and he understood the the field of battle. 182 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 3: And on Friday, November tenth, he received in order to 183 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 3: find the shaft of a tunnel in the northern town 184 00:10:35,040 --> 00:10:38,599 Speaker 3: of Gozla called Petrondun, which was according to intel, in 185 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 3: a mosque, and he took his command team. They scoured 186 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:44,839 Speaker 3: the mosque. He didn't find it, and he didn't give 187 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 3: up even though he could have pulled back and said, 188 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 3: I didn't find it's over, but he knew there was 189 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 3: a tunnel there from which they were exiting in firing 190 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 3: missiles into oshclone. So he said, we have to do this, 191 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 3: and he never gave up an assignment. So he continued 192 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:59,200 Speaker 3: to scour the area around the mosque, and in the 193 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 3: second building he went into an inner room and found 194 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 3: the shaft to the tunnel, and as soon as he 195 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 3: wired to the forces, we found the tunnel. And then 196 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 3: he said, shabat shalone, which which means you know, Friday afternoon, 197 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 3: you wish each other a happy sabbath, wished everybody a 198 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 3: happy sabbath, and then they set off a booby trap, 199 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 3: which was a very very powerful explosion which they set 200 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 3: off from inside the tunnel. They followed them in a 201 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:30,920 Speaker 3: hidden camera and they waited for soldiers to come into 202 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:34,200 Speaker 3: that room to find the shaft, and the explosion was 203 00:11:34,240 --> 00:11:37,320 Speaker 3: so strong that it blew out their lower torso and 204 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:39,560 Speaker 3: then brought down the walls on them from the top, 205 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 3: so they really didn't have a chance. So he together 206 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:47,080 Speaker 3: with three of his command team were killed. And it 207 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 3: really is indicative of the quality and the commitment and 208 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 3: the resilience of our soldiers as a whole. You know, 209 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 3: you have to understand. Next to next to my oldest 210 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:02,559 Speaker 3: son was my fourth son, who was a soldier of 211 00:12:02,600 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 3: his and he was thirty meters away from the explosion. 212 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 3: He basically saw his brother, you know, go go up 213 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 3: to heaven. And my second son was on the northern 214 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 3: border opposite his balla. And my third child, girl daughter, 215 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 3: her husband is a battalion commander. He was fighting at 216 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:26,080 Speaker 3: the same time. It's just one family, but I'm not 217 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 3: an exception. All of all of my kids were on 218 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 3: the front. I do have one child with down syndrome, 219 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 3: so he wasn't on the front, but he was. He 220 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 3: was packing bags for the soldiers in the base. Everybody's 221 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:42,840 Speaker 3: everybody's enlisted, everybody's part. This is a you know, a citizen, 222 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 3: a citizen army. And look the people, the soldiers we 223 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:51,559 Speaker 3: lost over nine hundred many most I think were reservists, 224 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:56,680 Speaker 3: about sixty per reservists with families. You know, people who 225 00:12:56,760 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 3: have day jobs. They're they're you know, they're bankers and 226 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 3: their lawyers and their engineers, and they have cyber companies 227 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 3: and you know, every regular people. And they left their homes, 228 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:12,959 Speaker 3: they left their families and did in many cases, three 229 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 3: hundred and four hundred days of reserve duty over the 230 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:20,840 Speaker 3: past two years. So it's been a tremendous national commitment 231 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 3: to seeing to it that Israel survive and we don't 232 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:28,199 Speaker 3: allow this attempt by iran In's proxies to destroy us. 233 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 2: Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on 234 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 2: the Tutor Dixon Podcast. It's very hard because when you 235 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 2: are in the United States, you genuinely don't know what 236 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 2: is true. We keep hearing all of these stories of 237 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 2: people dying in Gaza, and it's devastating. Anytime you hear 238 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:52,960 Speaker 2: stories of young people losing their lives, anybody losing their life, 239 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 2: it's devastating. 240 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:55,360 Speaker 1: But there's also. 241 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:57,679 Speaker 2: A real manipulation of the media that is coming out 242 00:13:57,679 --> 00:13:58,960 Speaker 2: of there, and so there is a lot. 243 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 1: Of questions to excactly what is going on. 244 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 2: I know that you've talked about the fact that Israel 245 00:14:04,080 --> 00:14:06,439 Speaker 2: was very careful to warn people, to try to get 246 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 2: people out of there, to continue to feed people and 247 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:11,959 Speaker 2: take care of people. That is not the story that 248 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 2: the media is spinning. So I want you to kind 249 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:17,720 Speaker 2: of explain what that's like on the ground. And the 250 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 2: difference too, because I know, when you look at Israel, 251 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 2: this is a very free society and a very modern society, 252 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 2: and when you look at Gaza, it is very oppressed 253 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 2: by Hamas. 254 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 3: Oh absolutely, I mean, if people would only appreciate the 255 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 3: fact that part of what we're doing, I mean that's 256 00:14:36,080 --> 00:14:39,680 Speaker 3: not the you know, initial and primary reason. But at 257 00:14:39,680 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 3: the end of the day, there's potential here for two 258 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 3: million people living under tyranny to be free Hamas. When 259 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 3: the Hamas opposes you, you oppose Hamas, you get dropped off 260 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 3: a roof. I mean, the day after the ceasefire was announced, 261 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 3: what Hamas did was take out the clans who don't 262 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 3: agree with them and works out. 263 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 2: I don't think we heard enough about that. I don't 264 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 2: think people understand what that meant. That these were these 265 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 2: were families, These were men. Who was it that actually 266 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 2: was murdered that day? 267 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 3: These are you know, we call them clans, they're extended families, Okay, 268 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 3: and many of them, you know, not everybody in Gaza's Kamas. 269 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 3: We estimate of the two point two million, there's actually 270 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 3: about three hundred, three hundred fifty thousand. Who are you know, 271 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 3: signs steel delivered committed Hamas people. But you know, seventy 272 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 3: five percent of the population are not committed to Hamas, 273 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 3: and among them you have people actually oppose Hamas. I mean, 274 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 3: remember when Hamas to go over in two thousand and six, 275 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 3: they took the Fatagh people from the Palestinian authority and 276 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 3: they dropped them off buildings, you know, nine stories high. 277 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 2: And now I think this is the story that we 278 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 2: don't hear because we are living in the United States, 279 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 2: where it is very black and white society. 280 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 1: It's like one is good, one is bad, and we keep. 281 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 2: Hearing that there are people on one side saying everybody 282 00:15:57,960 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 2: in Gaza supports Hamas. But that is I mean, you 283 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 2: were really saying it's a minority compared to the population. 284 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:08,480 Speaker 3: Well, certainly, now, I mean, looky, there was a vote. 285 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 3: We warned by the way, we suggested, you know at 286 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:14,160 Speaker 3: the time to the Bush administration it's not a very 287 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 3: good idea to have an election, rightight now, because Hamas 288 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 3: is going to get elected. So Hamas was elected. There 289 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 3: was a majority. They took over through an election. But 290 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 3: you know there were elections in the Soviet Union. You know, 291 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 3: ninety percent of the population voted for the only candidate. 292 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 3: Not everything works the way it does back in scrand Pennsylvania, 293 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 3: you know, or in Chicago, Illinois. This is the Middle 294 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 3: East and there isn't a long history you know, of 295 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:44,880 Speaker 3: Jeffersonian democracies and the process that the US and the 296 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 3: West went through in creating a democratic system. The notion 297 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 3: that we could you could do democracy from the top 298 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 3: down is a huge mistake because democracy is by its definition, 299 00:16:57,560 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 3: is the power of the people. It has to come 300 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 3: up from the bottom, you know, people have to will it. 301 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:07,879 Speaker 3: That's why, for example, with the operation against Iran's nuclear facilities, 302 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:12,360 Speaker 3: people said, well, why didn't you guys take out the government, 303 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:15,680 Speaker 3: you know, the iatolas, Why didn't you eliminate the gut 304 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 3: they're causing all the problems? Regime change? Well, you can't 305 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 3: do regime change. The people have to do it. The 306 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 3: people in Iran have to rise up and they're trying 307 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 3: to and throw off this dictatorship. So hopefully if we 308 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 3: facilitated the wherewithal for the people of Gaza to say, 309 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 3: you know, enough of this, we want something else, hopefully 310 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:41,199 Speaker 3: they won't exchange one tyranny for another one. But what 311 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:45,640 Speaker 3: happened as soon as the ceasefire was was signed. Kamas 312 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:49,680 Speaker 3: just went into these neighborhoods that where they're opposing clans, 313 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:52,359 Speaker 3: took out the men, lined them up in the street, 314 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 3: and it absolutely insisted that crowds came around and cheered, 315 00:17:56,560 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 3: and if you don't cheer when they tell you to cheer, 316 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 3: you can be put down on your knees and shot 317 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 3: in the back of the head. So people are cheering 318 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 3: and then they just just shot them. No, you know, 319 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 3: extra judicial whoever they are opposed to, don't like or 320 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 3: claim that they're you know, homosexual, or that they work 321 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 3: with Israel. You can make all sorts of claims. They 322 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 3: throw homosexuals off rooftops. I mean, it's very it's very 323 00:18:20,880 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 3: very clear, and it's really just a horrific, goulish kind 324 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:31,879 Speaker 3: of death cult that we've opposed there. And hopefully the 325 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 3: after effect of all this could be a new Gaza. 326 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 3: I mean, the dream of President Trump to create a 327 00:18:37,880 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 3: new gaza as opposed to an old gaza can really 328 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 3: be something that could serve as a template for other 329 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:46,880 Speaker 3: places in the Middle East. Right, if you can, if you. 330 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 2: Really do it, But how do you deradicalize and demilerarize 331 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 2: hamas I mean they have even if it is a minority. 332 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:58,680 Speaker 2: I mean, if you're three hundred four hundred thousand strong 333 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:02,360 Speaker 2: and these are these are very radicalized people and they 334 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:06,120 Speaker 2: have military equipment, how do you how do you get 335 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 2: rid of that? 336 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:10,439 Speaker 3: But it's a great question. And frankly, you know, my 337 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 3: field of academic study is political theory, and I wasn't 338 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 3: sure that that could really be done, certainly not in 339 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 3: the short term. But I spent time before I went 340 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:23,679 Speaker 3: back into government, and you know, think tanks, and I 341 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:26,920 Speaker 3: spent a lot of time in Abu Dhabi, and I'll 342 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 3: tell you, you know, I wear akiba and I felt 343 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 3: more comfortable as a Jew walking around Abu Dhabi, you know, 344 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:39,400 Speaker 3: with with with my head covering than I do in 345 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:42,639 Speaker 3: most European cities. I felt safer in Abu Dhabi as 346 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 3: a Jew than I feel in, you know, in many 347 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:50,919 Speaker 3: neighborhoods of London or of Paris. Because they have accomplished it. 348 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 3: They deradicalized, They took the Muslim Brotherhood out of the system. 349 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 3: No more Muslim Brotherhood teachers, no more brother Muslim Muslim 350 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:02,159 Speaker 3: Brotherhood government employees, and they do radicalize society and a 351 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 3: worked very quickly. As a matter of fact, they prove 352 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 3: that it's possible. Ue is just an exemplar of what 353 00:20:09,040 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 3: can be done. Similarly in many cases Bahrain as well, 354 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:18,159 Speaker 3: although it has a larger radical population that's that defied 355 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:20,239 Speaker 3: with Iran. They have their own own issues, but they 356 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 3: certainly tried to do that. Morocco, another signator of the 357 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:28,880 Speaker 3: Abraham Accords, same thing. There is an element of society 358 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 3: that's radical. But you know, there is within Islam this 359 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 3: battle between those who want to reform and live side 360 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 3: by side with Judeo Christian civilization with the West, and 361 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 3: those led by Iran, whether they're Shia or Sune who 362 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 3: still want to oppose Judaeo Christian civilization, want to oppose 363 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 3: the West and impose Islamic culture upon it. And Israel 364 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 3: is like this Judeo Christian transplant in the middle of 365 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:58,439 Speaker 3: the in the middle of the Middle East. So if 366 00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 3: you make peace with Israel, take peace with Judaeo Christian civilization. 367 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:04,200 Speaker 3: If you try to destroy Israel, what you're really trying 368 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:07,159 Speaker 3: to do is destroy Judaeo Christian civilization. And that's why 369 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:10,119 Speaker 3: the leader of Iran often says that we're the small 370 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:14,720 Speaker 3: Satan and the United States is the Big States. That's 371 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 3: a theological statement, that's what he really believes. So the 372 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:23,919 Speaker 3: importance of this war against Iran and its proxies, not 373 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 3: just Hamas but around alls proxies, is really a war 374 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 3: for civilization and for moderation and for accommodation. And when 375 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 3: I think about it on the personal level, I know 376 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 3: that's what my son died for. He was he was 377 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 3: fighting for civilization, he was fighting for mediation and accommodation. 378 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:46,360 Speaker 3: And please God that this can move forward in that direction. 379 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:49,119 Speaker 2: I find it interesting that you sit here and you 380 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 2: say there is a way for these societies to live 381 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:55,399 Speaker 2: side by side, respect each other, and love one another, 382 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 2: because we are seeing that. 383 00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:58,200 Speaker 1: I mean, you brought up London. 384 00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 2: We see people in the United States who are saying, gosh, 385 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:05,440 Speaker 2: we're so afraid of becoming being in that situation where 386 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:09,120 Speaker 2: we have neighborhoods that we're not welcome in anymore. That 387 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:12,480 Speaker 2: isn't necessarily that doesn't necessarily have to be the case. 388 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:15,399 Speaker 2: But how do you know, how do you break that 389 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 2: down to someone who doesn't understand the two different cultures. 390 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:23,200 Speaker 3: Well, you know, first of all, you need to study 391 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 3: and read and listen to people like yourself podcasts that 392 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 3: you're bringing facts and figures to the general public. There 393 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 3: are some podcasters that are on the contrary, that are 394 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 3: poisoning people's minds with crazy agendas, you know, really crazy agendas. 395 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:42,960 Speaker 3: I mean, I could pick them apart one by one 396 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 3: if I had the time, But it's poison and it's 397 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 3: very important that people identify what's true and what is 398 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:54,440 Speaker 3: propaganda and what is populism. 399 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 1: What do you think that is behind that? 400 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 2: Because it does seem like this is there's been this 401 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:01,199 Speaker 2: sudden rise in that. And actually I was talking to 402 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 2: someone yesterday and they believe that there this is not organic, 403 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:06,880 Speaker 2: that there is money behind that. 404 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 1: Could that possibly be the case? 405 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 3: Not only possibly, is definitely the case, definitely the case. 406 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 3: You know, it's a funny thing when people ask about 407 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 3: you know, there's a question posed just last night. I 408 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:25,719 Speaker 3: don't know if this is timely, if it's okay, if 409 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,960 Speaker 3: I if I go ahead, Yeah, But you know last 410 00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 3: night when the Vice president was speaking at Ole miss 411 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 3: and somebody asked about the you know, a certain very 412 00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 3: wealthy American Israeli who contributed to the campaign, And is 413 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:43,879 Speaker 3: that not a question of you know, loyalty and is 414 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 3: that acceptable? And and I was sorry that the response 415 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:54,600 Speaker 3: wasn't like, what about Katar putting in seven billion dollars 416 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 3: into the university system? How about how about that kind 417 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 3: of influence you're talking about one person in a large donation. 418 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,400 Speaker 3: I mean, that's been done from the beginning of time, right, 419 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:08,159 Speaker 3: People make donations to campaigns. Sometimes they're Jewish, and sometimes 420 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 3: they're Catholic, and sometimes they're Protestant, and sometimes they're Muslim. 421 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 3: And as long as the law allows for that, people 422 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 3: make big donations. But is it not a question when 423 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:24,040 Speaker 3: we see Qatar putting in seven and a half billion 424 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 3: dollars in a decade into the university system. Does somebody 425 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 3: really mean to say that university professors are not chosen 426 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 3: because of the money that they're getting, and that course 427 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,399 Speaker 3: syllabi are not chosen because of the money they're getting. 428 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 3: And does not have anything to do with the fact 429 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 3: that as soon as October seventh happened. On October eighth, 430 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,679 Speaker 3: they are already students running out into the streets with 431 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:50,200 Speaker 3: their professors screaming globalized, the Antifada and free, free Palestine. 432 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:52,080 Speaker 3: You know, I had two of my employees here in 433 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:56,960 Speaker 3: the Washington embassy of Israel's Washington embassy shot dead by 434 00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:03,359 Speaker 3: somebody screaming, free, freeing Palestine. He was influenced by these, 435 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:08,960 Speaker 3: by these crazy, you know, expressions, expressions of hate. 436 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:10,920 Speaker 1: And that stunned me because. 437 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,920 Speaker 2: We had that happen in the capitol, in the US capital, 438 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:20,920 Speaker 2: two staffers of a foreign diplomat of an allied country, 439 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 2: and there was barely any media coverage of that. 440 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:26,600 Speaker 1: But you make such an. 441 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 2: Incredibly, incredibly strong point that we don't blink an eye 442 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 2: at foreign money that is controlling our universities. I would say, 443 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 2: it's so much farther beyond it, and whether it is 444 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:43,960 Speaker 2: Cutter or China or whatever country it is, these are 445 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 2: oftentimes we see adversarial countries that have control, have controlling factions. 446 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,360 Speaker 1: In our universities for our next generation. 447 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 2: Which we know that if you were to read any 448 00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:58,919 Speaker 2: history book, they would tell you that the way you 449 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:01,919 Speaker 2: change a country is you go to the youth. You 450 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 2: go to those people at their most vulnerable time, when 451 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 2: they are just about to become adults and beyond on 452 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:07,240 Speaker 2: their own. 453 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 3: Look, there's so much to talk about here, the accusations 454 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:17,360 Speaker 3: against Jews of you know, influence in Israel, controlling Washington 455 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 3: and it's all nonsense. Look, I've been in every meeting 456 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 3: the Prime Minister has had with the President. There's a 457 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 3: lot of respect there for each other. There's personal respect, 458 00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:32,159 Speaker 3: there's admiration between the administration officials. I don't think you 459 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 3: know Prime Minister Attanielle was the first foreign dignitary to 460 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 3: be invited to the White House right after the President 461 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 3: came in, not because he controls Washington. And does anybody 462 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:46,959 Speaker 3: really control Donald Trump? I mean I say something the same. No, 463 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 3: how can anybody say something so stupid? Right? But you 464 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 3: know they make these claims on air and tens of 465 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 3: millions of people listen to this nonsense. You know, when 466 00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 3: the Prime Minister came in, we didn't asked the United 467 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 3: States to participate in the bombing of Iran. We came 468 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:08,119 Speaker 3: in and said, this is an existential threat. We're going 469 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,639 Speaker 3: to have to deal with it. These are our options, 470 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 3: and it's for you to choose if you want to 471 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 3: come in and when you want to come in, and 472 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 3: how do you want to come in? And I think 473 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 3: when the story is told about the four months leading 474 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,719 Speaker 3: up to operations Rising Line and Midnight Hammer, it's going 475 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 3: to be studied in international relations faculties for fifty years 476 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:31,639 Speaker 3: to come. Because the President went through the process of 477 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:36,719 Speaker 3: hearing out all the departments, his intelligence departments, the Defense Department, 478 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,280 Speaker 3: everybody who had an opinion on the subject. He waited. 479 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,719 Speaker 3: We actually saw the President go through this process and 480 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 3: weighing heavily on each side, and he made the decision 481 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,719 Speaker 3: to say that Israel pressure in the United States. I mean, 482 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 3: just so stupid. Iran poses a threat to American interests. 483 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:58,439 Speaker 3: America wants Abraham Accords, and America wants there to be 484 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,399 Speaker 3: regional alliances. Who in the way of regional alliance. The 485 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,719 Speaker 3: biggest threat to Saudi Arabia as Iran. So if we 486 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:08,920 Speaker 3: can go into an alliance, a military alliance with the UAE, 487 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:13,440 Speaker 3: with Saudi Arabia, with Bahrain, with our old peace partners 488 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:19,400 Speaker 3: Jordan and Egypt, the US could lighten its military footprint 489 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 3: in the Middle East and rely more on the regional alliance, 490 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 3: and then they can focus more, for example, on Asia. 491 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:29,959 Speaker 3: We can create a kind of NATO. So we take responsibility. 492 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 3: We're ready to do that. We never asked the United 493 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,399 Speaker 3: States to put boots on the ground. We fight our own, 494 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 3: We fight our own wars and what we asked for 495 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 3: in this war. I'll tell you what we did ask for. 496 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 3: We asked for help on missile defense because we knew 497 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 3: we were going to get hit with ballistic missiles. And 498 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:51,520 Speaker 3: God blessed the American people who helped us with these 499 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 3: thad and ages anti missile systems save thousands of people's lives. 500 00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 1: But you're talking about fifty years from now. This is 501 00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 1: what we may study. 502 00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:04,360 Speaker 2: Today we are hearing something different, and I would argue 503 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 2: it is because of those podcasters that you mentioned, which 504 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 2: is shocking to me that they would have that much influence. However, 505 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 2: they do because they were supporters of Donald Trump, and 506 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 2: I think this magical switched. And they were also strong Christians, 507 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:23,000 Speaker 2: and as Christians, we do believe what the Bible tells 508 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 2: us that there is a protection for the remnant, that 509 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 2: Israel is important, that we do care for Israel, and 510 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 2: yet they have turned against that. That has power when 511 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:35,000 Speaker 2: you see someone who is in a position of influence, 512 00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 2: who claims to be a Christian, who claimed to be 513 00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 2: a supporter of Donald Trump, to suddenly switch and say 514 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 2: all of this is evil, this whole regime is a problem, 515 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:52,680 Speaker 2: this whole connection between America and Israel's is somehow dark. 516 00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:57,720 Speaker 2: You're hearing that from very powerful, influential people on the internet. 517 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 1: How do you get through that. How much money could 518 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 1: there be that could convince these people to. 519 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 2: Give up their moral values that they claim to have 520 00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,720 Speaker 2: always had and changed their narratives to starkly overnight. 521 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 3: Well, you know, look, I think it's a combination of 522 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 3: two things. It's obviously a lot of money, there's a 523 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 3: lot of money there, But there's also a lack of 524 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 3: personal integrity. I mean, if you know you say, you 525 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,960 Speaker 3: say in the name of Christianity out of a Christianity 526 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:33,320 Speaker 3: that I know and I've studied extensively, there are Christianity 527 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:37,040 Speaker 3: people who are Christians don't pedal hate. They pedal love. 528 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:41,280 Speaker 3: And these people, these people, these people, they are few, 529 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 3: they're few, might be growing, but they're pedaling hate. I mean, 530 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 3: if if you if you get on the air every 531 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 3: single day and find a way to demonize Israel, to 532 00:30:55,920 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 3: uh delegitimize Jews. I mean, we have questions say like, 533 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 3: are we really Jews? Are we the same Jews as 534 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 3: the Bible? Do we really care as the Bible referred 535 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:08,880 Speaker 3: to us? I mean, all sorts of you know, crazy 536 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:14,600 Speaker 3: things like that. Look, my my ancestors throughout the two 537 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 3: thousand year exile we faced gave their lives for Judaism. 538 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 3: I mean people refused to give up their Judaism and 539 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,760 Speaker 3: were slaughtered because of it. Community after community after community. 540 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,200 Speaker 3: I mean we were we went from you know, one 541 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:31,680 Speaker 3: country of exile to another because we were chased out. 542 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 3: I mean it wasn't only the Spanish inquisition. There was 543 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 3: an inquisition from England, there was an inquisition for France. 544 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,480 Speaker 3: It was an inquisition from Spain. We were rolling stones 545 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,680 Speaker 3: for two thousand years, and why because we were loyal 546 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,040 Speaker 3: to our Judaism. And then we got some yogil get 547 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:48,280 Speaker 3: on the line and say, who says that these people 548 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,160 Speaker 3: are the same Jews as the Bible. We give our 549 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,120 Speaker 3: lives for the Jews of the Bible. And most are 550 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,520 Speaker 3: the Christians that I know. And I go to churches 551 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 3: pretty much every Sunday. I'm invited to speak, and I 552 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:03,240 Speaker 3: wanted to. I think they have less power than the 553 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,200 Speaker 3: perception is because the you know, certainly in middle of 554 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 3: America where I go out there to churches and meet 555 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 3: with people and and see the love for Israel, and 556 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 3: see the willingness and appreciation. Uh. You know, sometimes I'm 557 00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,200 Speaker 3: more critical of some of my own co religionists who 558 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 3: are a little hesitant to be, you know, too cozy 559 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,280 Speaker 3: with other religions. The more confident you are in your religion, 560 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,120 Speaker 3: the easier it is shoot to be to celebrate somebody 561 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:33,840 Speaker 3: else's and I sell. I celebrate. I celebrate when I 562 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:36,840 Speaker 3: see people going to church I see I celebrate when 563 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 3: I see Christmas lights. I celebrate when I see people 564 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:42,560 Speaker 3: speaking in the name of God. You know, it's it's 565 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:46,080 Speaker 3: it's become almost taboo. But on every dollar bility in 566 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 3: God we trust, is it not possible to say that 567 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,120 Speaker 3: beyond the dollar bill and God we trust, to wake 568 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,280 Speaker 3: up in the morning and say, in God, I trust. 569 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,720 Speaker 3: I mean, the first thing a Jews obligated to say 570 00:32:55,720 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 3: in the morning is the following life mode. I give 571 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 3: thanks to you God for breathing life into me. That's 572 00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 3: and you're supposed to say that even before like you 573 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:08,840 Speaker 3: wash your handsome face, because the first thing you got 574 00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:13,960 Speaker 3: to do is enter in it a character right, A 575 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:20,960 Speaker 3: a life characteristic of giving facts right. That's where we 576 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:25,320 Speaker 3: should be, you know, A being thankful of recognizing that 577 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 3: we owe our life to a creator. 578 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,440 Speaker 2: Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on 579 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 2: the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I think we're easily manipulated though, 580 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,600 Speaker 2: because we hear about October seventh, we don't know what 581 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 2: October sixth and fifth and every day before was like. 582 00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 2: We don't know what Israel was going through with Hamas 583 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,680 Speaker 2: because we were not educated on it. And so now 584 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:58,479 Speaker 2: we see this battle that many Americans were gus lit afterward. 585 00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,200 Speaker 1: Saying, oh what you saw, you didn't. 586 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,160 Speaker 2: See that that was manipulated. The rapes didn't happen, the 587 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:07,000 Speaker 2: murders didn't happen, the children didn't die, and people somehow 588 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:10,640 Speaker 2: started to believe that they have no idea what the 589 00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:13,520 Speaker 2: battle was before, they don't understand the history. 590 00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,000 Speaker 3: Well too, you're absolutely right. You know, when I was 591 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:19,960 Speaker 3: growing up and I heard about Holocaust denial, I said, well, 592 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:23,960 Speaker 3: how can how can people deny the Holocaust? Well that 593 00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:27,440 Speaker 3: was you know, sixty seventy eighty years ago. People are 594 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:31,719 Speaker 3: denying what happened yesterday. Right on October eighth, you had 595 00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:35,000 Speaker 3: people saying, well, the women really weren't raped as they 596 00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,840 Speaker 3: were being murdered, right, but they were, And we have 597 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,440 Speaker 3: the testimonies that people who saw it. It doesn't matter 598 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:42,960 Speaker 3: that you know, the babies were thrown in dovens, that 599 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:46,160 Speaker 3: people were decapitated. I know who some of the people 600 00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:49,680 Speaker 3: were decapitated. Okay, you can't tell me that they weren't thinking, 601 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,359 Speaker 3: you know, and then and what they weren't held hostages either. 602 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,120 Speaker 1: So we've seen them come home. That's the thing that 603 00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:58,240 Speaker 1: and we see these families. 604 00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:01,800 Speaker 2: Who don't have their people yet, that they've never received 605 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:05,480 Speaker 2: the bodies of their loved ones. We know they exist, 606 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:09,600 Speaker 2: and yet somehow people have believed that this didn't happen. 607 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 3: You know. People have asked me why it's so important 608 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,799 Speaker 3: that we get the bodies back, okay, And first of all, 609 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:22,520 Speaker 3: I tell them, pretty family deserves to have a marker 610 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,120 Speaker 3: of their loved one, to be able to sit next 611 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,719 Speaker 3: to their loved one in the grave, that has you know, 612 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,360 Speaker 3: a specific place and to unite with them and you know, 613 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,400 Speaker 3: to talk with them and have a place to go 614 00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,960 Speaker 3: know where the body is. But it's a particular importance 615 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:40,400 Speaker 3: to us because when we lost six million in Auschwitz, 616 00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:43,800 Speaker 3: they were just ashes that went up in the chimneys 617 00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:47,560 Speaker 3: into Nazi barbarism. They don't have a grave. They don't 618 00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,520 Speaker 3: have a marker. There's no name. There's no name which 619 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:54,799 Speaker 3: says here lies so and so who was born on 620 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:59,120 Speaker 3: this date and died on this date. It is incredibly 621 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:03,160 Speaker 3: important for us in the state of Israel, the reborn 622 00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:07,799 Speaker 3: state of Israel after a Holocaust, to have graves, that 623 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,680 Speaker 3: that is part of the change of Jewish history, that 624 00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:16,320 Speaker 3: we're not you know, sheep to the slaughter in Auschwitz anymore. 625 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:21,239 Speaker 3: That people have to understand. You know, I've heard some 626 00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:23,520 Speaker 3: people say to me, you know, how is it that 627 00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,759 Speaker 3: you lost your support on October eighth. Everybody was very 628 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:31,520 Speaker 3: supportive of Israel, but you lost our support so well, 629 00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:37,000 Speaker 3: you know, excuse me for being so crass. But the 630 00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:39,960 Speaker 3: world does okay with dead Jews. They've been doing it 631 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,880 Speaker 3: for a long time. At October eighth, those are recognized 632 00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:47,200 Speaker 3: that were dead Jews, that sympathy. When we fight back 633 00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:51,239 Speaker 3: and we say no, we are not going to go 634 00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,120 Speaker 3: like lamps to the slaughter, all of a sudden we 635 00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:56,480 Speaker 3: lose support and we're accused of the most horrendous things. 636 00:36:56,600 --> 00:37:00,120 Speaker 3: There was no genocide. Where's all the genocide? Now? Well, 637 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:02,000 Speaker 3: you know, when you have genocide and Dr four you 638 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:06,920 Speaker 3: see bodies, right, there's evidence. They talked about genocide and 639 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:08,960 Speaker 3: what they produced was I think one hundred and eighty 640 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,360 Speaker 3: two bodies. There's no genocide. We're a civilian army. Do 641 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,520 Speaker 3: you think that our children could actually commit genocide? I mean, 642 00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,280 Speaker 3: the whole thing is just insane. And what they're doing 643 00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:22,120 Speaker 3: is trying to delegitimize and demonize the state of Israel. 644 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,600 Speaker 3: Call our leaders war criminals, call our soldiers war criminals, 645 00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,040 Speaker 3: with the intent of demonizing Jews. This is no different 646 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:31,719 Speaker 3: than the blood libels in the Middle Ages, you know, 647 00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,440 Speaker 3: saying that we poison wells and now we start people 648 00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:40,680 Speaker 3: starve people. We facilitated the transfer of over two million 649 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:44,239 Speaker 3: tons of food into Gasma during the war, that's what. 650 00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,359 Speaker 2: People But people have been told that didn't happen. I mean, 651 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,279 Speaker 2: that's the crazy part about this. People said, oh no, 652 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:53,319 Speaker 2: they stopped all the aid, They didn't let anything in, 653 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:54,120 Speaker 2: you know. 654 00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:56,719 Speaker 3: You know, dude, I was at a meeting with five 655 00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,880 Speaker 3: senators who were very critical of Israel, you know, and 656 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,760 Speaker 3: they said, well, what about the food going to Gaza. 657 00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:05,920 Speaker 3: Why aren't you allowing food to the gazes and Senators, 658 00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,320 Speaker 3: we're not preventing food coming to the Gaza. Comas is 659 00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:13,920 Speaker 3: hijacking the trucks, and that's how they reconstitute themselves. They 660 00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,279 Speaker 3: give it to the people who are fighting with them, 661 00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:18,680 Speaker 3: and then they sell it to everybody else. They tax it. 662 00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,520 Speaker 3: And one of the senators were like this, so come on, yeah, 663 00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:27,200 Speaker 3: I said no, no, no, it's ninety percent, ninety percent. They 664 00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,480 Speaker 3: said no, it's maybe ten percent. I said, no, it's 665 00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,480 Speaker 3: not ten percent, it's ninety percent. A few days later, 666 00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,520 Speaker 3: one of my assistants here went into the UN website 667 00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,439 Speaker 3: and they have a tracking system and they're sitting right 668 00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,840 Speaker 3: on the screen. It says, you know, black or white. 669 00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,480 Speaker 3: According to the UN tracking system, ten percent is reaching 670 00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,239 Speaker 3: its destination. Ninety percent is big hijacked. 671 00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,640 Speaker 2: But we are spoiled by knowledge, and no one has 672 00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:54,960 Speaker 2: called out the fact that there is not a CBS 673 00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:55,680 Speaker 2: reporter there. 674 00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,040 Speaker 1: There is not an ABC or a CNN or. 675 00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:00,960 Speaker 2: A Fox reporter because you cannot have a reporter on 676 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:02,200 Speaker 2: the ground in Gaza. 677 00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:05,080 Speaker 3: Of course not You know what happened is Hamas would 678 00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:09,120 Speaker 3: kill them and then we'd be blamed. Okay, So the 679 00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:12,120 Speaker 3: important thing is you just have to keep repeating the truth. 680 00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:19,120 Speaker 3: It's going up against the grain, but you know truth 681 00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:22,640 Speaker 3: is slow, it's always on the defensive, but you have 682 00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:23,440 Speaker 3: to keep repeating it. 683 00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:27,000 Speaker 2: Well, I appreciate you coming on today to share the 684 00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:29,640 Speaker 2: truth with us. I know I kept you longer than 685 00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:32,600 Speaker 2: you expected, but it was just the conversation was so good. 686 00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:33,680 Speaker 1: I really appreciate it. 687 00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,799 Speaker 2: Ambassador Later, thank you so much for being here today 688 00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:38,120 Speaker 2: on the Tutor Dixon Podcast. 689 00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:40,560 Speaker 3: Good to be with you, Tutor all the best of luck. 690 00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:42,880 Speaker 2: Thank you, and thank you all for joining us on 691 00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:44,840 Speaker 2: the podcast for this episode and others. 692 00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:45,399 Speaker 1: You can go to the. 693 00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:49,120 Speaker 2: iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts 694 00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:52,680 Speaker 2: and join us next time. Have a blessed day.