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Speaker 1: and me and I thought that, Okay, it's a Playboy,

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Speaker 1: it's for their millennial issue. Uh, you know, I want

429
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Speaker 1: to do a parody of Playboy, and Playboy would do these,

430
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Speaker 1: um very often doing article do articles on the newest technologies,

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Speaker 1: and I figured, since it's Playboy, what would the what's

432
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Speaker 1: this new millennium going to bring in? So it's all

433
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 1: about kind of virtual sex and things like that, and um,

434
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Speaker 1: if you read the piece, it will prove that I

435
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Speaker 1: was not intending to run for the Senate eight years later.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to google that. Sure, go ahead, Let's

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Speaker 1: get back to the Senate out You were talking about

438
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,720
Speaker 1: how dysfunctional the Senate is and how you can't often

439
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 1: is very dysfunctional. What is the root problem of the

440
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Speaker 1: Senate's dysfunction? Well, I think there are a lot of

441
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 1: things I think that um our politics. And I was

442
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 1: kind of writing about this in Russian. Limbaugh is a

443
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Speaker 1: big Fettiti and that's why I really was about the

444
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 1: breakdown in the civility of discourse. And there was a

445
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 1: chapter on that on Gingrich who had put a list

446
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 1: of words for Republicans to to use to talk about

447
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 1: democrats and it was like sick and trader and corrupt

448
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 1: and me. It's literally a list of words that was

449
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,440
Speaker 1: sent out to Canada saying you can learn to talk

450
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Speaker 1: like newt And there was also a real run against

451
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: Washington and against government and people in government are bad

452
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 1: and don't live in Washington. To bring your family to Washington,

453
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Speaker 1: and you know, this town, I guess used to be

454
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 1: a lot different um. You know, you would bring your

455
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Speaker 1: family to Washington, you live here, and you go back

456
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Speaker 1: to your district when you go back to your district,

457
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 1: but you wouldn't go back. You wouldn't keep your family

458
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Speaker 1: in your district and go back home on weekends and

459
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Speaker 1: not visit them while you go around your district. And

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00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 1: what that meant was is that your family, your kid

461
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 1: might play on the same baseball team as another congressman

462
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 1: from or senator from a different party is his kid,

463
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,720
Speaker 1: and it's hard to not like, you know your your

464
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 1: kid's teammates. Father and people had more time, and now

465
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: it's so much fundraising and so much rushing back to

466
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Speaker 1: your eight the campaign and that sort of thing. I

467
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:05,960
Speaker 1: think that's part of it. I think part of it

468
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 1: is is that when the senator is up for grab,

469
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 1: as it is this time and as it was last time,

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00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 1: that there's more jockeying. And I think there was sort

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00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 1: of a settled um Democratic majority for a big period

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Speaker 1: of time. Uh, during the fifties and sixties and seventies

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Speaker 1: that uh, you know that, And that's easy for me

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Speaker 1: to say they were Democrats in the majority. But there's

475
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 1: tended to be sort of a Okay, this isn't about

476
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 1: the next cycle, this isn't about next November. We're going

477
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:46,680
Speaker 1: to just actually do our job here. But now it's

478
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 1: all about re election. Steve Israel wrote about that congressman

479
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Speaker 1: from Long Island about how much time has spent fundraising

480
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 1: and do you guys hang out? Do you hang out

481
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Speaker 1: with other senators? Do you have lunch in this at

482
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Speaker 1: dining hall and eat Senate bean soup with Republicans? I have,

483
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Speaker 1: I don't do it a lot. I hardly every in

484
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Speaker 1: the signate Senate dining room does anybody, Because to me,

485
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 1: you've got to have a place where people can congregate

486
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Speaker 1: and get to know each other. One of the things

487
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Speaker 1: that we do we have, and I just came from it,

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Speaker 1: the Senate Democratic Caucus lunch. So we have lunch on

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Speaker 1: Tuesday and Thursdays essentially as a caucus, and the Republicans

490
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Speaker 1: have it three days a week. Why don't you guys

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Speaker 1: caucus together? Occasion, well, I have had. I just did

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Speaker 1: a bipartisan lunch with Lisa Murkowski. I've been trying to

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Speaker 1: promote these bipartisan activities um them. During my first term, I,

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Speaker 1: Franny and I would go out regularly with the end

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Speaker 1: zs and the Joe Hands Uh Sarah n Zi from Wyoming,

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Speaker 1: Sena Johannes is Left from Nebraska and their wives and

497
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 1: Tom Udall and Jill and me and Frannie would beat

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00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 1: all have dinner. We right off going to each other's houses.

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Speaker 1: And I'd like to start that again. Let's talk about

500
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: the campaign, because it has just been the most insane

501
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 1: campaign of my lifetime. Certainly I would assume of yours

502
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 1: as well. I don't know, uh, you know sixty eight

503
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:24,839
Speaker 1: was tragic obviously, and but yes, I mean I think

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00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:32,319
Speaker 1: that that the Republican nominee she what's his name, uh

505
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 1: is uh is of a just of a different um

506
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 1: quantum lee different than any other nominee we've had in

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Speaker 1: terms of they're they're they're part of what I've seen

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Speaker 1: over the last few years. I'm kind of a policy

509
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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think I'm a policy wonk, but

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Speaker 1: I do try to get into the areas where we're legislating.

511
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 1: I like to be a legislator, So in education and

512
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 1: healthcare in those areas, that's way more way I came

513
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Speaker 1: here than anything. And then in telecommunications, I was against

514
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 1: the uh Comcast Time Warner deal and that neutrality is

515
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,439
Speaker 1: important to me. But those those are things I care about.

516
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Speaker 1: But I just don't think he thinks about any of

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Speaker 1: this stuff at all. I don't think he just he'll

518
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Speaker 1: say I, um, I have a good brain, I know

519
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Speaker 1: more than the general's of Ballet, Syria and the Iraq.

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00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 1: He'll say that, and it'll be just one of a

521
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 1: million things he'll say that are just absurd, and yet

522
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Speaker 1: he will be the nominee. How do you explain that? Well,

523
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,359
Speaker 1: I tried to. You know, it's happened so and um,

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00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 1: observing what's happening, I'm not Uh. I guess he tapped

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00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 1: into this anger that we were talking came about. And uh,

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00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 1: he certainly staked out a you know, in any trade,

527
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Speaker 1: which I think is different on his side, and tapped

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Speaker 1: into that feeling among those a lot of a lot

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Speaker 1: of voters on both sides. Of course. Yeah. I also

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Speaker 1: I think he had let some crossover and in many states.

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Speaker 1: And I also think that the media contributed to it

532
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 1: a little bit by having him on constantly. And the

533
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:35,959
Speaker 1: guy can be funny and can be charming. It's worn

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00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 1: off a little on me, but um, and fascinating. It

535
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 1: was kind of fascinating. So I think that, um, a

536
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:49,360
Speaker 1: lot of America's loves Donald Trump, and a lot of

537
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,280
Speaker 1: America's shaking their hands, that's going like, what's your theory

538
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 1: on how this happened? Anything? We've talked, and we've talked

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00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:59,479
Speaker 1: enough about Donald Trump. No, I think we should talk

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00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:01,839
Speaker 1: only about him for the rest of this A big

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00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,879
Speaker 1: question mark I think about this campaign is whether young

542
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 1: people who are so enthusiastic about Bernie Sanders are really

543
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:14,919
Speaker 1: going to come out and vote in November. I think

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00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,359
Speaker 1: they will. I think they will. This is you know,

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Speaker 1: I did not see the event with Bernie and Hillary today.

546
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: Lara went well, and I think that's Bernie said he's

547
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: going to do everything in his power to see the

548
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: Trump it doesn't win, and I think that means he's

549
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: going to be stumping for her. I think that that's

550
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 1: going to help. And I think you know, when you

551
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 1: look at the issues and you look at something as

552
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 1: simple as simple, something as important as climate change, and

553
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 1: millennials know this is a real thing, and there is

554
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:57,720
Speaker 1: a scientific, overwhelming scientific consensus and the sea levels rising.

555
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: That happens for a reason. Uh, and it is the

556
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 1: existential issue of her time. And boy, it affects millennials

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00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 1: more than you know. I mean, I have I have

558
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 1: grandchildren now, so I'm a senator and I don't want

559
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Speaker 1: my grandson. You know, Joe, I have a three year

560
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 1: old grandson, and I don't want him fifty years from

561
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 1: now going, Grandpa, you knew there was climate change. Why

562
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 1: didn't you do anything about it? And also why are

563
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 1: you still alive? That's ridiculously, I'll go, Well, because of

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Speaker 1: all the scientific developments, well the funding of n I

565
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Speaker 1: h I did instead of on climate change? You and

566
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Speaker 1: Larry King are doing that. What's it called when you

567
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,320
Speaker 1: are frozen? Oh, I'm not doing it. If Flowery is

568
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 1: doing it, good for him, But I'm not doing it.

569
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Speaker 1: He did it years ago. Actually I got that good.

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00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 1: So so give us your prediction for the fall. I

571
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 1: am not a prognosticator. That's not what I do. So

572
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 1: what I do I thought Cindy Lopera was gonna be

573
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 1: a lot bigger than Madonna. Do you think Hillary Clinton

574
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:20,720
Speaker 1: is gonna win? But I don't know what the margin

575
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,760
Speaker 1: is going to be. I don't know. I'm not predicting anything.

576
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 1: I'm hoping for, you know, I'm hoping for a large win, blowout.

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00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:31,920
Speaker 1: I'm hoping for that. I'm really I've been working for

578
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 1: our Democratic Senate candidates, and I want to take back

579
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Speaker 1: the Senate so we can have the agenda here and

580
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 1: not have to do filibusters to get on a gun

581
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Speaker 1: vote and you know, those kind of things. To last questions,

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Speaker 1: I believe of the electorate field that Hillary Clinton is

583
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Speaker 1: not trustworthy. That's a devastating Sorry, how does she fix that?

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Speaker 1: I don't know exactly. I can tell you this. I've

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00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 1: known her for twenty two years, and I find her

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00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 1: totally trustworthy. I I um. I also, I just know

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Speaker 1: her as one of the hardest working, the hardest working

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Speaker 1: person I know, uh, someone who is has through their

589
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 1: career been dedicated to helping children, helping poor people, helping

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Speaker 1: uh women. Why don't people trust her? Why don't people

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Speaker 1: see that? Well? I think there's been just a ton

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Speaker 1: and ton and ton of constant, you know, opposition to

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Speaker 1: the Clintons, both her and her husband. I think her husband,

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Speaker 1: did you know, unfortunately did something that made people not

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Speaker 1: trust him. And I hope she'll have the opportunity to

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Speaker 1: be president and and that Americans will learn to trust her.

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00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 1: Are the ones who don't. Do you think she bears

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Speaker 1: any responsibility for that? I think she'll say, you know,

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Speaker 1: she she will say, for example, on the email, that

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00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 1: she made a mistake, and so she does bear some

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Speaker 1: responsibility for that. I also think that if you look

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00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 1: at her responses on these things, I don't think she

603
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 1: was lying. I think she did not know that she

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00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 1: sent three classified things because they had partially marked. I

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00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 1: think that, as usual, there's a battle over this in

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Speaker 1: terms of messaging, and they're going to be considered she lied,

607
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 1: she lied, she lied, and if people know the full story,

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Speaker 1: I don't think she didn't. If Paul Wellstone were alive today, Senator,

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Speaker 1: what do you think he would make of this whole campaign,

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00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: the players, the rhetoric. Well, I think he'd be out

611
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 1: there fighting, you know, just like I think I am.

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't quite have the There was some

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00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 1: power that he had and he used to basically the

614
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: last three minutes of his any presentation he gave where

615
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 1: this real, real energetic tub thumping thing where he'd get

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Speaker 1: people on their feet. And the only time I get

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Speaker 1: that happen is like if I imitate him doing it,

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Speaker 1: I do an impression of him. But I think he

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Speaker 1: would be I think he would be amazed and zaddened

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Speaker 1: by some of this. Of course, you may not be

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Speaker 1: able to compete with Paul Wellstone, but your grandson looked

622
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 1: pretty in awe of you in a photo we saw

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Speaker 1: as we want. I love that photo. It's like my

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Speaker 1: favorite photo. What was going on? It was a um

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00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:05,280
Speaker 1: and my my uh, I got my I was sworn

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00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 1: in for my second term, and it was just a

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00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 1: party we had for that, and everybody was there in

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00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:16,320
Speaker 1: this big hearing room, and he was with his grandma,

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Speaker 1: and he just and and and mom and and and

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00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:24,240
Speaker 1: his dad, and he just walked over to me. And

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Speaker 1: it's a beautiful, beautiful photo. For those of you listening,

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00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:36,839
Speaker 1: I can't it's amazing. He's staring up at you, and

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Speaker 1: that's probably, as you said, who you think about when

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00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:42,799
Speaker 1: you make decisions in this office. And he's older now,

635
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 1: of course, as we all are, and so now he's three.

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00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: But yeah, being a grandparent is a great, great thing,

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00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 1: and uh, it does make you think that what we

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00:43:56,400 --> 00:44:02,359
Speaker 1: do here is important to generations. Be on us. That's

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Speaker 1: a nice way to end things. Senator al Frankin, thank

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Speaker 1: I really enjoyed that interview. But I'm not sure I

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Speaker 1: it reminded me how fluent senators have to be on

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Speaker 1: such a myriad of issues, and it made me thank god.

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Speaker 1: It's hard to be a senator. And even though he's

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Speaker 1: that he's been reelected and he's not known as landslide

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Speaker 1: Al ironically anymore, um, you could still see the weight

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Speaker 1: Definitely doesn't want to be you know Don Rickles all

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Speaker 1: like him. So we want to thank Senator Franken and

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Speaker 1: his staff for making the interview possible. It was a

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Speaker 1: interviews like this. Clearly we want to interview bold face names,

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Speaker 1: And one of the great things about social media and

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Speaker 1: the telephone, quite frankly, is we get to hear from

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Speaker 1: you'd like to discuss, who you'd like us to talk to,

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Speaker 1: nine two to four four six three seven. Brian is standing.

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Speaker 1: Body take your calls. I'm just sitting by the phone.

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Speaker 1: That number again is four four six three seven. And

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Speaker 1: while we're at it, we want to thank the team

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Speaker 1: and one more thing, subscribe, rate and review this podcast

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Speaker 1: the show that does it for us. Brian, this was fun,

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Speaker 1: wasn't it, Yes, ma'am. Anyway, thanks for listening and we'll

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Speaker 1: see you next time. Yes, we do. Thanks. I took

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