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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Diddy behind bars.

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Speaker 2: Week one, that's right, Week one of the Diddy Jail Watch,

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Speaker 2: Shawn comes trying every trick in the book to walk

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Speaker 2: free until his October sentencing.

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Speaker 1: One week.

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Speaker 2: A lot can happen in just seven days, and believe me,

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Speaker 2: it's been rocking in the courthouse and the jailhouse. Good evening,

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Speaker 2: I'm Missy Grece. This is Crime Stories. I want to

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Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. In the last week,

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Speaker 2: Shawn Combs to his team, realizing they've got to redo

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Speaker 2: Diddy's image. It's time for a Diddy makeover. As Shawn

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Speaker 2: Combs heads for sentencing, his lawyers aiming to show he

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Speaker 2: is no longer a quote.

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Speaker 1: Bad boy for life. Good luck joining us tonight.

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Speaker 2: Tisa Tails from Tisa Tales on YouTube Tisa what happened now?

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Speaker 3: One of the most interesting things that and that came

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Speaker 3: out and it happened so loud it eclipsed the chairs

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Speaker 3: from all the.

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Speaker 4: Diddy Dirty Diddy Turnsi rolled degenerates.

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Speaker 3: Okay, was somebody named Chef Jordan. If you guys don't

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Speaker 3: know who this is, this is Ditty's chef. She's a

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Speaker 3: celebrity chef She's worked for some of the biggest names,

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Speaker 3: and one of the worst experiences.

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Speaker 4: That happened to her was working with Diddy.

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Speaker 3: She actually went on Instagram Live and said she predicted this.

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Speaker 4: She said that she was set to testify. However, the

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Speaker 4: prosecution flew her in.

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Speaker 3: She was set to testified that day, and minutes before

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Speaker 3: she took the stand that morning, the prosecution said, you

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Speaker 3: know what, never mind, You don't have to tell your story.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 3: Why did they say never mind? Because she had been

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Speaker 3: telling the prosecution that they were playing this all wrong,

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Speaker 3: that they weren't speaking to the community. That she actually said,

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Speaker 3: no one cares about beaten women, nobody does.

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Speaker 4: You need to tell them about the way he tweeted.

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Speaker 3: The employees, and you need to talk about the executives. Now,

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Speaker 3: who are the executives. They were named throughout the lawsuit. Okay,

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Speaker 3: some of them were industry record executives, some of them

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Speaker 3: were the high level executives in Ditty's organization.

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Speaker 4: She said that was the key, and she.

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Speaker 3: Implored the prosecution focus on that, focus on our beatings,

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Speaker 3: focus on our because they can't say that we signed

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Speaker 3: up for freak calls. It wasn't the fact that Diddy

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Speaker 3: like getting rough and hands these in free calls.

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Speaker 4: It's the fact that, like Marine.

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Speaker 3: Comi said, did he like using his hands and feet?

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Speaker 4: And when he couldn't use his hands and feets.

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Speaker 1: He grabbed his pistols.

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Speaker 4: And went a shooting again.

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Speaker 3: The claims she made on her Instagram live literally had

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Speaker 3: people scratching their head.

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Speaker 1: She said that.

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Speaker 3: Diddy, before the defense, had tried to get in touch

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Speaker 3: with her to subpoena her for the grand jury. They

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Speaker 3: didn't notified her that you've been subpoena you need to

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Speaker 3: testify on the grand to come in and have an

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Speaker 3: interview with the Feds. Before she even went to her

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Speaker 3: first interview with the Feds, She said she still has

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Speaker 3: the email, said Ditty's.

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Speaker 5: Attorney reached out to her and said reached out to

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Speaker 5: her and said, mister Holmes's found out that it's come

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Speaker 5: to his attention that you're actually going to have to

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Speaker 5: be interviewed.

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Speaker 3: We would like to offer you legal services. This is

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Speaker 3: the same legal services, the legal deal that they offered

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Speaker 3: the Jane.

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Speaker 4: What's the difference between Chef Jordan and Jane.

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Speaker 3: Well, for one, Chef Jordan was never in a free call,

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Speaker 3: but the other thing. Check Jordan previously had accused Diddy

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Speaker 3: of assaulting her, beating her, doing the worst to her.

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Speaker 3: She couldn't stand Didding and she swore never to talk

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Speaker 3: to him again or be around him.

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Speaker 4: So again, some people said, that's not what is tampering.

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Speaker 3: Check Jordan came out and said she considered it witness

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Speaker 3: tampering because we never liked each other.

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Speaker 1: You don't like me, I don't like you.

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Speaker 4: How did you even know what I'm doing?

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Speaker 1: Where is the mole?

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Speaker 3: She was terrified, she was scared for her life again

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Speaker 3: and social media, our heads were exploding. Why didn't the

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Speaker 3: prosecution call her? She was ready and able? How did

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Speaker 3: you think Jane was a better witness till as opposed

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Speaker 4: She told us so.

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Speaker 1: Much, Lauren Comlin, what exactly happened?

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Speaker 6: I think that a.

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Speaker 7: Lot of people are extremely disappointed in the verdict, and

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Speaker 7: I think that's because they've seen what this man is

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Speaker 7: capable of, what he's gotten away with throughout the years.

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Speaker 6: You know, it's been decades and decades.

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Speaker 7: Of I guess activity that could be labeled criminal. Although

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Speaker 7: if I bring up the Club New York shooting, I'm

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Speaker 7: going to have someone come at me and say, no,

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Speaker 7: somebody was convicted of that and serve time. Okay, sure, yes,

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Speaker 7: Shine did serve time for that. But intellectually, I think

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Speaker 7: many of us feel that Shawn Colmes was responsible, even

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Speaker 7: though again a court of law and ena jury said

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Speaker 7: that this was Shine. So I think that at this point,

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Speaker 7: I again I understand why people are disappointed in the verdict.

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Speaker 6: I just I don't think that this was a federal case.

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Speaker 7: I think that if this case actually got to a

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Speaker 7: state court in Los Angeles in twenty sixteen after the

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Speaker 7: Cassie video hands down, he would have been convicted on

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Speaker 7: aggravated assault and bribery most likely, and we wouldn't be here.

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Speaker 6: So, you know, we'll wait and see. I'm anxious for

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Speaker 6: October third.

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Speaker 2: And in the last seven days, bookies all over the

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Speaker 2: world going haywire. That's right, bets through the roof. How

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Speaker 2: long will did he stay behind bars?

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Speaker 7: Yes, many people are taking bets right now about how

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Speaker 7: long did he will stay behind bars?

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Speaker 6: What kind of sentencing will he get?

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Speaker 7: I think that it's been really crazy because a lot

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Speaker 7: of attorneys were mind blown by the fact that Ditty

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Speaker 7: was staying behind bars based on prostitution charges or a

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Speaker 7: prostitution conviction alone, because that's not really standard here. But

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Speaker 7: this case, in many ways is not your standard federal case.

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Speaker 7: When the judge did not grant Ditty bail and made

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Speaker 7: him stay behind bars until sentencing, I think I was

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Speaker 7: mainly confused because I saw the judge kind of joke

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Speaker 7: with him in the morning, and you know, when Mark

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Speaker 7: Agnippolo brought up bail, the judge said, okay, mister Holmes,

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Speaker 7: I understand you would like to leave the MDC, and

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Speaker 7: he kind of smiled and.

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Speaker 6: Diddy was like yes.

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Speaker 7: So to me, I was like, wow, this judge is

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Speaker 7: really considering it here, because why else would he make

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Speaker 6: Well, turns out, yeah, that didn't happen. He did.

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Speaker 7: He obviously has to stay where he is until his

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Speaker 7: bail hearing, which or i'm sorry, until his sentencing hearing,

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Speaker 7: which is October third, twenty twenty five. But what the

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Speaker 7: judge cited was that it was the defense's own words

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Speaker 7: that their client was a violent man. He was violent,

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Speaker 7: and this was their own admission. And additionally, they got

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Speaker 7: letters from Cassie and the chef of Chef Atkinson saying

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Speaker 7: that they were scared for their lives essentially if he

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Speaker 1: Tasa way in.

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Speaker 8: I know you guys have heard the rumors.

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Speaker 3: There are beds going around worldwide.

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Speaker 8: Diddy's name is trending.

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Speaker 3: Not on the charts well like Kanye did he would hope,

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Speaker 3: but their name. His name is trending among the bookies

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Speaker 3: the world. People are taking bets to see how long

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Speaker 3: Sean Diddy Combs is going to stay behind bars.

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Speaker 8: Now what am I hearing?

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Speaker 6: Listen?

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Speaker 3: I know Diddy's team did the impossible, but judging by

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Speaker 3: Judge Aaron's tone, and even though him asking, hey, I

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Speaker 3: want prosecution and defense to bring me evidence about what

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Speaker 3: the minimal sentence or the average sentence in man access,

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Speaker 3: they are looking at that, and Diddy's team seems to

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Speaker 3: be celebrating. So you would think the bookies would make

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Speaker 3: more money by betting the Diddy stays in jail longer.

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Speaker 3: But here's the thing, Okay, judging by Judge Aaron's tone.

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Speaker 9: What he told Diddy, the way he used Didty, the

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Speaker 9: way he used Diddy supporters, and the way Diddy has

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Speaker 9: shown no remorse, I'm thinking that the bookies.

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Speaker 8: Might have it wrong.

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Speaker 3: Again, It's just a guess, but Diddy might stay in

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Speaker 3: there for five to ten years.

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Speaker 8: But here's the thing that I think everybody's overlooking. Okay,

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Speaker 8: the bookies need to have.

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Speaker 3: A bet on how long Sean Diddy Combs is going

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Speaker 3: to stay out of jail.

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Speaker 8: Because let's not forget, this is a man that was

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Speaker 8: being surveiled.

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Speaker 3: This is a man that was facing smegs, trafficking, violence,

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Speaker 3: public condemnation, and this is a man that not only

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Speaker 3: was ordering escorts when he knew what he was up against,

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Speaker 3: but he beat Jane viciously and then he made her

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Speaker 3: perform again, unrepentant and unafraid. So again, just like John

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Speaker 3: Gotti and just like R Kelly, Yes, that's might have

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Speaker 3: missed on the first round because many people argue that

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Speaker 3: Mark Agnfilio rushing the trial actually short circuited the fed's

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Speaker 3: or convince as many witnesses as they liked to come

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Speaker 3: and actually share their story. But again, my bed is,

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Speaker 3: it's not how long Diddy is going to do time,

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Speaker 3: it's how long he's.

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Speaker 8: Going to stay out of jail. Because somebody that arrogant,

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Speaker 3: In my opinion, it's only a matter time before Ditty

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Speaker 3: is his own undoing and now not just the FEDS,

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Speaker 3: but everyone, including girls. He wants to fly out to

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Speaker 3: the Turks, including sex workers. He wants to call and say, Hey,

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Speaker 3: we have a party going on.

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Speaker 8: Can you be here in thirty minutes. Everybody is going

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Speaker 8: to be on the lookout. Some people will be opportunists,

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Speaker 8: but the victims.

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Speaker 3: Know that they now have a narrative that they can

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Speaker 3: stake a case on again.

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Speaker 8: How long is Diddy going to keep himself out of jail?

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Speaker 8: I don't know. I think he's going to be back in.

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Speaker 3: Let's just say he gets promotion, probation and time serve.

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Speaker 3: I think he's going to go back in within two years.

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Speaker 3: A leopard does not change their stripes, and right now

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Speaker 3: Diddy is wearing a full.

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Speaker 2: Four coat joining us now veteran defense attorney Eric Fattus

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Speaker 2: Eric Way in Nancy.

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Speaker 10: If I was a betting man, which I'm not, my

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Speaker 10: money would be on a sentence that is really on

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Speaker 10: the lower end of the You know, I've heard a

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Speaker 10: lot of folks discussing this, and numbers that come up

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Speaker 10: are like between two and three years. Now, let's be clear,

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Speaker 10: he is facing up to ten years on each of

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Speaker 10: his two convictions, so a total of up to twenty

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Speaker 10: years could be run consecutively, meaning one after the other,

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Speaker 10: but could be also run concurrently, meaning the sentences would

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Speaker 10: run at the same time. There's at least a chance,

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Speaker 10: with no criminal history and only being convicted on the

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Speaker 10: least serious counts that did he get somewhere within the

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Speaker 10: two to three year range or even possibly time served.

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Speaker 2: In the last week, Seawn Combs's former chef says she's

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Speaker 2: afraid of retaliation after that split verdict, that she is

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Speaker 2: in fear for her own safety. As you will recall,

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Speaker 2: we covered it, but I didn't really hear about it

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Speaker 2: in the courtroom. Shawn combs Is personal chef was in

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Speaker 3: How powerful would it have been Diddy's personal chef who

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Speaker 6: What is that story?

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Speaker 3: Did he and her had words? Did he was always violental?

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Speaker 4: She was the She was the aggressor. But that's not

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Speaker 3: She witnessed him be violent to countless other employees. She

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Speaker 3: how powerful would that be? Why didn't the prosecution get

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Speaker 3: is right. Unfortunately, that group of twelve did not care

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Speaker 4: Again. We will see in October third if Judge Aaron

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Speaker 2: During the last seven days, sex assault survivors across the

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Speaker 7: I don't necessarily think that this was a setback for

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Speaker 6: This just was not a charge.

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Speaker 7: But I do feel like if we were back in

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Speaker 6: I really really don't.

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Speaker 7: And I think that the one thing that I'll also

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Speaker 7: I know that there are many reasons why survivors don't

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Speaker 6: I completely get that.

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Speaker 7: I will say going to the police before going to

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Speaker 7: a civil attorney will one hundred percent help the credibility

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Speaker 6: Absolutely not.

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Speaker 2: And in the last seven days, after their father, Sean

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Speaker 1: He needs a vacation after that split.

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Speaker 2: Verdict, while Shawn Combs is twin daughter's announced following all

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Speaker 2: to use this opportunity to launch their own clothing line.

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Speaker 3: Christian comes is back on vacation. But I gotta tell

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Speaker 11: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: They waddled in a couple of weeks during the trial.

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Speaker 8: But after that, Christian was living his life.

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Speaker 3: I was in the courtroom every day and I got

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Speaker 8: Now that said, okay.

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Speaker 3: Did he's a monster to me, but he is a

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Speaker 8: Is what twenty eight twenty nine.

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Speaker 8: Of hearing what their father like smeared over his body.

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Speaker 11: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to judge the twins. However, they are

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Speaker 3: his daughters seem very mild manner, very sweet. They try

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Speaker 3: I believe it's called twelve twenty one, but like anything

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Speaker 8: They came up with this really cute post about it means.

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Speaker 3: Numerology One is you know anthropresioneership, two is this and that,

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Speaker 8: It's twenty one backwards.

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Speaker 3: Okay again, it makes it into the moment you had

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Speaker 8: Effort However, as much as people try to advocate that

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Speaker 3: The commune, there is a black creator who has a

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Speaker 8: Now, I don't blame the Colmbs' daughters. They are young.

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Speaker 3: Clearly did he knows in my mind that all his

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Speaker 8: Can't flow back into him. So I don't blame the

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Speaker 3: I don't think there's daughters were on the Internet trying

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Speaker 11: Designs.

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Speaker 8: I don't think that at all. However, I do think

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Speaker 3: Employees for Sean Jones, and I think they operate under

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Speaker 3: the Combs quote unquote recal organization of the way you

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Speaker 8: And the way that you went so in that way,

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Speaker 3: Not think the twins did anything untowards but I think

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Speaker 8: I think that team is now in full of fact,

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Speaker 3: With all eyes watching, the first thing they do, according

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Speaker 8: So, yeah, it's gonna be.

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Speaker 3: A long heart road to anybody that cheers the Combs names,

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Speaker 3: because as long it seems like, as long as they

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Speaker 11: Rotten Zucchini.

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Joining us now with the light is Crime Stories investigative

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Speaker 2: reporter Sydney Sumner. Sydney, what more can you tell us

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Speaker 2: about that?

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Speaker 12: Well?

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Speaker 13: I think agna Philo was realizing he may have put

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Speaker 13: into Combe's ownership of his violent tendencies. I mean, he's

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Speaker 13: been dressed, in your words, as a Harvard underground for the.

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Speaker 6: Duration of the trial.

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Speaker 13: They are really trying to make him look like a

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Speaker 13: focus on Combe's relationship with his kids, his charity work,

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Speaker 13: judge heard in court. Defense attorneys can do their best

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Speaker 13: to paint Combs in a positive light, but I think

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Speaker 13: their initial objection to a full pre sentencing investigation wasn't

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Speaker 13: what may be discovered if authorities do any more digging

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Speaker 2: Oh My Stars second verse same as the first. Kanye

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Speaker 2: West rearing his ugly head again. That's right, Kanye West

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Speaker 2: and Shawancomb's AKA Ditty set to release another album amidst

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Speaker 1: We've got so much to look forward to.

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Speaker 2: Kanye West and Shawn Comes attempting to join forces again

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Speaker 2: in the studio and the jailhouse, despite both the artists

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Speaker 2: Shawn Comes going to record tracks with Kanye West?

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Speaker 14: Uh?

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Speaker 1: Oh, they've done it before. Shawn Combs recorded on the

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Speaker 1: Fattus Eric Way in Nancy.

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Speaker 10: I wouldn't be unprecedented for a musician to record some

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Speaker 10: new music while in custody. It's happened before. They can

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Speaker 10: do it over the jail phone. Sometimes there's kind of

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Speaker 10: like a zoom opportunity for jailhouse visits. Perhaps they'll do

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Speaker 10: it in that fashion. Natany has to be careful though,

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Speaker 10: because you know there'll be some folks who come.

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Speaker 11: Out to support him after this verdict.

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Speaker 10: He's going to be selective about with whom he aligns,

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Speaker 10: and you know, Kanye West yay right now is maybe

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Speaker 10: just not the most favorable character with whom Diddy should

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Speaker 10: be associating if he is trying to rebrand and sort

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Speaker 11: Ditty is a master marketer. He always has been.

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Speaker 10: He's been able to market himself, and I wouldn't be

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Speaker 10: surprised if some of those.

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Speaker 11: Traits trickled down genetically to his children.

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Speaker 10: You know, is this the best timing to be launching

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Speaker 10: including his son, are taking this as an opportunity, trying

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Speaker 10: to find some kind of silver lining that they can

446
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Speaker 10: use to then promote themselves and their own life.

447
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:57,639
Speaker 7: Lauren Conlin Way in Well Nancy, Kanye West has already

448
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:01,000
Speaker 7: been recording music with Christian call Holmes, as you know,

449
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 7: Hugh caught a shout out. But really anything can be

450
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:10,679
Speaker 7: done through prison or through jail. I mean the fact

451
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:15,879
Speaker 7: that sug Knight actually has a podcast that he records

452
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 7: while in jail, and not only that he's a frequent

453
00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 7: guest on different news.

454
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 6: And media outlets. I mean, we really.

455
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 7: Shouldn't be surprised here that Kanye West and Diddy are

456
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 7: planning to record music through the jailhouse phones, and I mean,

457
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,359
Speaker 7: do they think that that also gives them some kind

458
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:40,199
Speaker 7: of credibility here with people? The fact that Diddy is

459
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 7: still working hard behind bars, he's trying to ensure that

460
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:48,880
Speaker 7: he has a future in the music industry ahead of him.

461
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Speaker 6: I mean, will people.

462
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 7: Be cool with that or will they look down upon

463
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 7: that and just say, look, man, do your time, act

464
00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:00,479
Speaker 7: like you're sorry and kind of, you know, with all

465
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,119
Speaker 7: this stuff later after your affairs are in order.

466
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Speaker 6: I guess we'll wait and see.

467
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Speaker 2: And apparently all across sections of our population have been

468
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 2: affected by the Ditty verdict tonight, we understand infuriated swingers

469
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 2: are speaking out about the impact Ditty's free cough parties.

470
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 1: Have had on the swinger community.

471
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Speaker 10: So, not surprisingly, the swinger community doesn't want to be

472
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 10: associated with Ditty. You know, I certainly get that, and

473
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:34,680
Speaker 10: I think sort of it speaks to the intra group

474
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:39,399
Speaker 10: diversity among some of these lifestyles, some of these social movements,

475
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,640
Speaker 10: whatever you want to call them, that there are differences

476
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:43,440
Speaker 10: among those folks.

477
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:44,919
Speaker 11: They're not all like minded.

478
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,199
Speaker 10: They don't all do the same things and engage in

479
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 10: the same types of conduct, And I think that's really

480
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 10: the thrust forgive me of the arguments for these swingers

481
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 10: is differentiating themselves from did.

482
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Speaker 2: Tease to tales? From t tales on YouTube, Tisa way

483
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:04,399
Speaker 2: in when I tell you.

484
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 3: Diddy is radioactive and good luck to Mark agnofilial trying

485
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,639
Speaker 3: to turn him into a church boy. The Swingers of

486
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 3: America open have come out and multiple swinger associations I

487
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 3: know who knew, right, the multiple swinger organizations have come.

488
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:24,920
Speaker 4: Forward and said, how dare you associate our good name

489
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 4: with that pons gum Sean Diddy Colms. Now, why is

490
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 4: this so important? Okay?

491
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,160
Speaker 3: I think it underlines the fact of the jury should

492
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 3: be a shand of themselves.

493
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 1: Yes, it's true.

494
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 2: Shawn Combs claims a victory in court with a split

495
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 2: verdict acquitted on three counts, convicted on only two. But

496
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,680
Speaker 2: as of tonight, Shawn Combe is risking losing a four

497
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 2: hundred million dollar empire despite those three acquittals, civil suits,

498
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 2: legal fees surging.

499
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Speaker 3: Listen, one of the best thing that's happening out of

500
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 3: this is even in his quote unquote victory, Diddy is

501
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 3: set to go broke. Listen, he has a four hundred

502
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 3: million dollar kingdom. However, only I think fifty million of

503
00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:11,440
Speaker 3: that was actually liquid, because that's what he offered the bellsman.

504
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 3: Now here's the thing that I find so interesting. These

505
00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:18,200
Speaker 3: civil cases are about to run through Ditty's pockets. Why

506
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 3: is that because even though Diddy's supporters are like, he's free,

507
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:22,160
Speaker 3: he's free.

508
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 4: He got convicted of two federal sex acts.

509
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:29,880
Speaker 3: If he used any of Comb's Global, bad Boy Worldwide

510
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 3: or whatever his company's names are, that opens the door

511
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 3: for federal forfeiture.

512
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Speaker 4: Now, spiler alert.

513
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 3: I sat through trial, through weeks of accountants warning us

514
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 3: to death, but also painting a picture of where the

515
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 3: money came from to pay for these women and to pay.

516
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 8: For the escorts.

517
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 3: Spoiler alert, they came from Ditty's company. Now what does

518
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 3: that mean?

519
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:53,959
Speaker 15: Two things.

520
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 3: Federal forfeiture will pull everything away. But I've heard rumblings

521
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 3: that there is going to be a mad death from

522
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 3: some of the escorts, and they said Diddy has used

523
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 3: hundreds of escorts during the years.

524
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 4: And also maybe even from Jane.

525
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,959
Speaker 3: Let's not forget that the man at convictions make it

526
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 3: so much easier for civil.

527
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:14,719
Speaker 4: Claims to be proven.

528
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 3: Let's also not forget what Judge Aaron said, Diddy, you

529
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 3: told s yourself in the courtroom that you were violent,

530
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 3: that you did commit those acts, that you are the devil.

531
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 4: You're just saying that it's not a crime.

532
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,959
Speaker 3: Well, maybe it's not a crime, but guess what it

533
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 3: looks like it might actually be something civil.

534
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 4: Ditty is about to go bankrupt.

535
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 3: But again, I think this leads credibility to the fact

536
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 3: that people are saying that Diddy is restructuring.

537
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 4: He nobody.

538
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 3: He no longer wants to be the face Shawn John

539
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 3: that's going to be shifted to his daughters and his

540
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 3: cute daughter's hoodie line and clothing line. His sons are

541
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 3: going to be the ones that get the producing credits

542
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 3: and everything that Bad Boy Entertainment had, And he might

543
00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 3: even put an alcohol brand under one of his kids

544
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 3: to again, did he seeks to.

545
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 4: Re allocate assets.

546
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 3: But I don't think this reallocation is going to happen

547
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 3: fast enough to stem this title weight of civil lawsuits

548
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 3: that are going to come forward in.

549
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 4: The last within the statue limitations.

550
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 3: Why because Diddy has already admitted to the worst of

551
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 3: the crimes. Anyway, we are waiting and we hope justice

552
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 3: has served.

553
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:31,720
Speaker 2: And in the last days another courtroom victory for Shawn Combs.

554
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 2: One of the many, many civil complaints filed against him

555
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 2: has been dismissed by a judge. A lawsuit filed against

556
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 2: Shawn Combs by a pro Lamb Pros has been dismissed,

557
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 2: in part because of the statute of limitations that judge

558
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 2: ruling too much time has passed. The attorney in the case,

559
00:30:55,960 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 2: Tyrone Blackburn, says he intends to depose Shawn Combs within

560
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 2: sixty days. Joining us now Lauren Colin from Pop Crime

561
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 2: TV on YouTube, Lauren Colin Way.

562
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Speaker 7: In the civil suits, they seem to keep on coming.

563
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 6: I mean some have been dismissed.

564
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 7: I know a judge just dismissed a lawsuit against Sean

565
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 7: Colmes by April Lamb Price, partly because of a statute

566
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Speaker 7: of limitations.

567
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 6: However, I know that her attorney.

568
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:32,080
Speaker 7: Tyrone Blackburn, says that he intends to depose mister Colmes

569
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 7: within sixty days. But at this point I think a

570
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 7: lot of these civil attorneys, not so much Doug Wigder,

571
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 7: but I would say Tyrone Blackburn, Tony Busby, they are

572
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 7: slowly but surely losing some credibility in the eye of

573
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 7: public opinion based on what certain witnesses said actually on

574
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 7: the stand in Shawn Colmes's criminal trial about their civil lawsuits.

575
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 7: Tyrone Blackburn, he was representing Brianna Bongolan, who had stated

576
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 7: that Sean Holmes allegedly dangled her over a balcony, and

577
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 7: she admitted on the stand that mister Blackburn added a

578
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 7: section about her possibly being sexually assaulted, and she said,

579
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 7: you know, that didn't really happen.

580
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 6: It was exaggerated. His hands kind of went.

581
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 7: Up when he lifted me up, but it wasn't necessarily

582
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:34,479
Speaker 7: an assault, a sexual assault. And also Tyron Blackburn just

583
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 7: made the news for being arrested for backing over a

584
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 7: process server.

585
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 2: Eric Fadus Way in, there's a chance, Tonancy that these

586
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,200
Speaker 2: verdicts could cause a momentum.

587
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 11: Shift in favor of Diddy with.

588
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 10: Respect to the pending civil cases that are still going on.

589
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 11: You know, those folks might think to themselves, gossh.

590
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 10: It's kind of harder to prove in court some allegation

591
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 10: that I'm bringing. On top of that that there has

592
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 10: been public condemnation against Cassie, against Jane.

593
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 11: There is even the specter of retaliation.

594
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 10: All of those factors could cause these plaintiffs to be

595
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 10: disincentivized to proceed with their cases. Perhaps it could even

596
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,719
Speaker 10: have an effect on the jurists, the judges who are

597
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 10: making decisions and ultimately the jurors who may decide the

598
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 10: ultimate fate on the civil side. Are they going to

599
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 10: be influenced by what happened and sort of the media

600
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 10: saturation around it.

601
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 11: Certainly they've heard of how these verdicts came down.

602
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

603
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 3: Shee shaw Way in Listen, these civil suits that are

604
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 3: coming from Diddy is going to be no joke.

605
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 4: Which has come to the forefront is April Lampert.

606
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 3: She is being represented by Tyrone Blackburn, Esquire. Now listen,

607
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 3: Blackburn seems to know what he is doing. Okay, he

608
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 3: says he's playing their deposed Ditty within sixty days. Why

609
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 3: is that so significant because a lot of things that

610
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 3: April alleged in her complaint again Ditty's team has admitted

611
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:25,360
Speaker 3: in court. But more importantly, okay, it signals that these lawyers,

612
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,800
Speaker 3: led by Blackburn are not afraid of Ditty.

613
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 4: They're willing to take on the dream Team.

614
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,320
Speaker 8: And even though you can't find a conviction.

615
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:38,240
Speaker 3: Criminally civilly, where you only need what fifty one percent

616
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 3: right more likely than not that it happened. They have

617
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 3: a wave of evidence that no reasonable jury.

618
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 4: Could deny or should deny.

619
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 3: Also, people are saying that they are keeping idea on

620
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 3: the way the prosecutions team the case went down, what

621
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,720
Speaker 3: they could have done better, what they would have changed,

622
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 3: and they are coming well, both got blazing pow.

623
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 15: Now Didny's team.

624
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 3: Is trying to get a rush on this and created

625
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 3: a media is storm because they love to deny, delay

626
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 3: and mislead by saying, oh, it's already been dismissed.

627
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,839
Speaker 4: However it has not. A lot of legal experts are

628
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 4: pointing out.

629
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 3: Maybe it has been dismissed against Ditty's parent companies, but

630
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 3: when it comes to Ditty's personal liability and Ditty's four

631
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 3: hundred million fortune that he personally owns, oh baby, the

632
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 3: suit is very much active and.

633
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 1: Very much going forward.

634
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,879
Speaker 3: We are going to pay attention to that April Lampard

635
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 3: case and keep you updated as it goes along. But

636
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 3: I am hoping that the prosecution crawled so that these

637
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 3: civil attorneys led by Tyrone Blackburn Escorier can run straight to.

638
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 4: The bank and empty out all of Ditty's accounts.

639
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:57,280
Speaker 2: No bond for Sean comes. Diddy will sit behind bars

640
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 2: and wait for sentencing. But how did we get here?

641
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:03,800
Speaker 11: Breaking news tonight?

642
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 1: Did he win?

643
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:11,760
Speaker 15: What can I do this anymore?

644
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:20,720
Speaker 2: Did Sean Puffy Combs aka Love aka Diddy.

645
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 15: And on and on?

646
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 2: Did he actually order others demanding that they quote dig

647
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:33,960
Speaker 2: up dirt on alleged victims? Not only that, we are

648
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:40,160
Speaker 2: getting reports that Seawan Comb's aka Diddy would let's just say,

649
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 2: ask other inmates to use their phone cards, their phones,

650
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 2: their phone time to do three ways patch him into

651
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 2: people trying to dig up dirt on victims, possibly contacting

652
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 2: alleged victims himself, what with bribes or threats.

653
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 15: Don't know that yet, but I will find out. Listen

654
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 15: to this.

655
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 16: Shawn Combs isn't just monitoring social media from behind bars.

656
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 16: The Fed say Combs has been using other MDC inmates

657
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 16: phone access codes to make surreptitious calls. Combs then uses

658
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 16: his sons to loop in a third party or directly

659
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 16: contacts unauthorized individuals. While the contents of the calls have

660
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 16: been redacted in court, documents. Prosecutors say the conversations clearly

661
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 16: outline Comb's intent to silence witnesses and more.

662
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:35,320
Speaker 17: As part of the interagency contraband sweep at the MDC,

663
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 17: agents confiscate nineteen pages of notes from Shawn Combs's belongings

664
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 17: and turn them over to federal prosecutors. Among those notes

665
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 17: are inspirational quotes, reminders about family and financial matters that

666
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,360
Speaker 17: need to be discussed, and a to do list. That

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Speaker 17: list includes a need to instruct a family member to

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Speaker 17: quote find dirt on two potential victims and quote find

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Speaker 17: everything on another victim.

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Speaker 2: Isn't it true? The correctional facility has a special place

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Speaker 2: for lawyers to meet with their clients.

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Speaker 12: Yes, inmates meet with their lawyers inside the visiting room.

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Speaker 12: In the various corners they have attorney client rooms. There's

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Speaker 12: typically two to three in each visiting room in any

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Speaker 12: federal prison. Those visits are typically scheduled ahead of time

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Speaker 12: through the inmates Counselor, which is a part of the

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Speaker 12: Inmates Unit team, and they normally happen during the normal

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Speaker 12: visiting hours. In NBC Brooklyn, the visiting hours between five

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Speaker 12: am and seven pm money through Friday, and nine am

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Speaker 12: and four pm on weekends and holidays.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Henry, could you describe the private room where inmates

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Speaker 2: are allowed to speak to their lawyers at lengths?

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Speaker 12: Typically the rooms will have maybe two set up kind

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Speaker 12: of like an interview style where there's like a table

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Speaker 12: one side the inmate would sit on and there's usually

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Speaker 12: no more than three chairs on the other side. In

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Speaker 12: the case you know, you have two counselor maybe a

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Speaker 12: paralegal there to take notes with that with the particular

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Speaker 12: that particular client. The rooms are very small, they're they're glass,

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Speaker 12: so the staff that's having oversight of that particular visit,

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Speaker 12: they can't hear what's going on in the room, but

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Speaker 12: they can sit at a vantage point where they can

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Speaker 12: see where, you know, what's going on in that room

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Speaker 12: in case you know, emergency.

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Speaker 15: And doctre hendricks.

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Speaker 2: How long the inmates get to meet with their lawyers

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Speaker 2: hours and hours in private they have access to a

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Speaker 2: law library. Isn't it true that Shawn Comes is getting

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Speaker 2: additional time to meet with US lawyers.

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Speaker 18: Throughout my careers.

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Speaker 12: Typically, you know, no more than a couple of hours,

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Speaker 12: depending on what this particular request is for that particular inmate.

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Speaker 18: Now we're talking about the Sean Combs case.

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Speaker 12: As we know, he's at the courthouse first thing in

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Speaker 12: the morning, and court starts around nine nine thirty and

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Speaker 12: it's ending about four pm. So if visiting ends at

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Speaker 12: seven pm with them having to undress him out, put

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Speaker 12: him in a vehicle, take him back to the jail,

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Speaker 12: get them fed, you know you're talking about, and then

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Speaker 12: being in process back into the jail. We're talking about

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Speaker 12: five fifteen, five point thirty, which would only give them

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Speaker 12: an hour and a half to prep with him to go.

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Speaker 18: Over a strategy for the next day.

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Speaker 12: So if they're asking for additional time, I would I

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Speaker 12: could see at the wards discretion, especially as a high

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Speaker 12: profile as this case is in all the public interests,

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Speaker 12: whether it's here in America or even internationally, I don't

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Speaker 12: see any concerns with them giving them another two hours,

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Speaker 12: two to three hours to prep with their client for

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Speaker 12: the next I mean, this trial is tentatively scheduled to end.

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Speaker 18: The goal is to end.

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Speaker 12: It by the end of the month or before the

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Speaker 12: fourth of July weekend, So we're talking about four weeks.

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Speaker 12: You know, maybe five to ten hour additional hours during

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Speaker 12: the week and maybe two to three hours on the weekend,

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Speaker 12: depending on what else is going on.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Hendrix, isn't it true that the MDC is open

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Speaker 2: on the weekends and the lawyers could go meet with

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Speaker 2: comes on the weekends.

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Speaker 18: Yes, and again it is open.

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Speaker 12: Visiting hours are from nine am to four pm weekends

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Speaker 12: and holidays, and it's visiting is open until seven pm

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Speaker 12: on a normal weekday, so they have, you know, depending

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Speaker 12: on how long it takes the marshals to get him

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Speaker 12: back to the jail, it's not going to take him

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Speaker 12: very long to be in processed to the East Building

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Speaker 12: where he's currently being housed, so they'll probably have about

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Speaker 12: an hour and a half to meet with him, and

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Speaker 12: depending on which attorneys he's gonna meet with, what their

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Speaker 12: strategy is going to be, it's not an unusual request

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Speaker 12: for them for him to meet with his attorneys for

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Speaker 12: a couple more hours. I mean, there's a nine between

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Speaker 12: the nine and ten o'clock count each day in the facility,

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Speaker 12: and they can put him on an out count in

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Speaker 12: the visiting room while he's down there visiting. Because again,

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Speaker 12: this trial is only gonna last a few more weeks,

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Speaker 12: and the last thing to Bureau Prisons and more specifically

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Speaker 12: MDC Brooklyn does not want to do is be a

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Speaker 12: part of any hindrance to him having effective council and

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Speaker 12: giving grounds for them to you on appeal to say, hey,

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Speaker 12: you know, he didn't get effective council because the institution

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Speaker 12: didn't allow him to visit with his attorneys. And then

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Speaker 12: they're gonna look at historical data. They're gonna look at

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Speaker 12: how big you know, how many inmates were housed at

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Speaker 12: that facility in the past versus what they have now

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Speaker 12: and making a sound correctional judgment decision.

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Speaker 18: It just doesn't make sense.

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Speaker 12: To not try as much as possible to accommodate this request.

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Speaker 2: Joining me right now, Angelica Martinez Servigna, joining us in.

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Speaker 15: Front of the jail.

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Speaker 2: Tell me about Seawan Combs's daily schedule behind jail, behind bars,

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Speaker 2: and what you know about the jail.

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Speaker 15: Who are other famous celebs that have been in that

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Speaker 15: very jail.

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Speaker 19: Yes, Nancy, we are standing right behind me is where

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Speaker 19: Sean Tuffy Combs is currently being held in Brooklyn right now.

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Speaker 19: There are before saying that he's being held in the

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Speaker 19: special housing unit, which is separate from the general prison

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Speaker 19: population and is usually used for inmates that might need

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Speaker 19: additional protection. Julane, Maxwell or Kelly when they were here

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Speaker 19: in this prison, they were also held in the special

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Speaker 19: housing unit. And we have a former warden, Cameron Lindsay,

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Speaker 19: who is actually on record as saying that did he

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Speaker 19: poses as a very attractive target for inmates and the

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Speaker 19: MDC saying, quote, to deliver a hit on him would

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Speaker 19: be considered a bad of honor end quote.

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Speaker 2: He's getting treated with kid gloves when his lawyer has

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Speaker 2: come out and said he's not suicidal. So he's basically

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Speaker 2: in the medical unit getting special treatment. But now did

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Speaker 2: he hungry?

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Speaker 15: Apparently he's missing his private chef. I hate when that happens.

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Speaker 2: When you can't take your private chef, your celebrity chef

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Speaker 2: with you behind bars at the Metro Detention Center, that's

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Speaker 2: gotta hurt.

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Speaker 20: In addition to snacks and hygiene items, did he has

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Speaker 20: the option to purchase full meals from the MDC commissary.

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Speaker 20: His options include stuffed chicken with rice, eggplant, parmesan bone

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Speaker 20: in chicken, a rib steak, or beef Chillen the estimated billionaire,

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Speaker 20: we'll have to watch his one hundred and sixty dollars

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Speaker 20: spending limit per trip.

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Speaker 15: What did I just hear a ribbi?

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Speaker 2: Let me check that a ribi beef stew, egg palm

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Speaker 2: chicken with rice?

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Speaker 1: What?

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Speaker 3: Who?

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Speaker 15: Well?

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Speaker 2: Let me see grits, oatmeal, pancakes, syrup, French toast.

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Speaker 15: I'd like some French toast. What's for lunch?

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Speaker 2: Chicken wrap, hamburgers, baked chicken, tacos.

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Speaker 15: I would love a taco dinner, roast beef. I'd like

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Speaker 15: that salisbury steak fahdas what? Okay? Can we just get

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Speaker 15: real for just one moment?

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Speaker 2: Chris mcdonnad joining me, Director Cole Case Foundation, former homicide detective,

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Speaker 2: and former vice detective.

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Speaker 15: He is not suicidal, Chris.

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Speaker 2: His own lawyer has stated that, So why is he

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Speaker 2: getting kid glove treatment?

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Speaker 15: Chris mcdona.

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Speaker 14: That is an absolutely great question, Nancy, Because in these units,

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Speaker 14: they're special housing units, right, the shoe unit. The whole

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Speaker 14: purpose of that is to house somebody in there because

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Speaker 14: of one they're a threat. Assessment comes up that this

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Speaker 14: guy is a high threat and or a high target threat,

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Speaker 14: meaning somebody else wants to take this person out.

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Speaker 15: Nancy Grace signing off, good by friend,