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Speaker 1: On the dol Cast. The questions asked, movies have women

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Speaker 1: and um are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands?

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Speaker 1: Or do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef in best

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Speaker 1: start changing it with the beck Del Cast. Hello and

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Speaker 1: welcome to the Becdel Cast. My name is Caitlin Darante.

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Speaker 1: My name is Jamie Loftus, and here are our last

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Speaker 1: name last names. We mean, we got exactly one last

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Speaker 1: name request and we took it right to heart. You know,

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Speaker 1: I'm doing it for the follows. I want you to

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Speaker 1: follow me and Caitlin Durante on Twitter and whatever else.

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Speaker 1: I'm doing it because I felt like someone asked me

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Speaker 1: to do something and I'm not kinda saying no. But

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Speaker 1: it also didn't seem like a bad ideas. I'm making

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Speaker 1: my life worse, so I'm making any one's life worse.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully all right, saying my last name making your life worse?

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Speaker 1: Please flood my mentions. Let me know I'm ruining your

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Speaker 1: life by doing truly the bare minimum. How are you?

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Speaker 1: I'm good. We are here talking about movies, specifically the

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Speaker 1: Trail of Women in Movies podcast. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we

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Speaker 1: got so involved in the last names we got to say,

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Speaker 1: why we're hearing what we're talking about. That's okay, right, So, yes,

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Speaker 1: we are talking about the portrayal of women in movies.

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Speaker 1: We use the Bechtel Test as sort of a yard stick.

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Speaker 1: So it's a it's a test applied to all media

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Speaker 1: in which two women need to have a discussion, two

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Speaker 1: lines of dialog exchange about something other than a man,

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Speaker 1: and the women in question need to have names all true. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: not a hard test to pass. However, not a lot,

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Speaker 1: not a lot of stuff passes, and not a lot

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Speaker 1: of media in movies specifically do a good job portraying women.

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Speaker 1: So what to Hollywood? Come on, I think they're doing

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Speaker 1: a great show. Oh yeah, it's been historically wonderful, healthy culture.

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Speaker 1: So that's what we're talking about in the Bechtel Cast

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Speaker 1: today and every day and every day we have a guest. Yes,

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Speaker 1: and and we usually don't talk about movies. So re

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Speaker 1: I'm excited. Yes, So we're talking about girls trip. But

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Speaker 1: before we get into that discussion, let's introduce our guests.

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Speaker 1: She is a comic. She has been a panelist on

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Speaker 1: the pre show for Empire. Wow. Madison Shepherd, Hi, Hi,

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Speaker 1: thanks for being here. I've been here the whole time.

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Speaker 1: The most tense part of the podcast, like when do

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Speaker 1: I jump in, It's like double Dutch what I gonna get?

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Speaker 1: It was seamless. Thank you anyway, thank you for being here,

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Speaker 1: thank you for having me absolutely. So we're talking about

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Speaker 1: Girls Trip. Yeah, you saw the movie theaters. I did.

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Speaker 1: I saw it actually as a double feature with rough Night.

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Speaker 1: I saw Rough Night and then I went to see

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Speaker 1: Girls Trip, like within an hour and a half of

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Speaker 1: each other, because they're similar movies, and then it's a

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Speaker 1: group of women having a wild aekend or night or whatever.

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Speaker 1: Not an unfamiliar premise, No, not at all. But one

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Speaker 1: of them did much better than the other one, and

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Speaker 1: that was Girls Better. Yeah. I didn't see a rough Night,

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Speaker 1: and I didn't feel the need to so i'd be

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Speaker 1: interested in seeing it. I wasn't aware that in Rough

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Speaker 1: Night it takes this premise and that but they kill

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Speaker 1: a guy and something spoiler alert, I guess I just

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Speaker 1: I mean, I did not see either of these movies

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Speaker 1: in theater, but that they were marketed in a very

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Speaker 1: was reading through this. Sy nazis for both that in

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Speaker 1: one they killed someone that wasn't that clear in the marketing.

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Speaker 1: Did not realize that either. I really loved Girls Trip. Same. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I also didn't see it in the theater because this

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Speaker 1: was my pre movie Pass days. I have it now

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Speaker 1: and I've seen all kinds of movies with my If

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Speaker 1: movie Pass wants to sponsor us, because we've been plugging

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Speaker 1: your product endlessly for the past few episodes, were just like,

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Speaker 1: send me mine, I've already paid for it, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I just saw I bought Girls Trip on

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Speaker 1: DVD breg and I watched it twice in the past

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Speaker 1: be honest with you. I tried to watch it twice.

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Speaker 1: just the character? I think just the character. But Queen

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Speaker 1: cool that we're seeing representation of women over forty in

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Speaker 1: I do the recap of the story, Yeah, Madison, feel

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Speaker 1: Have you ever seen a female character named Ryan before?

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Speaker 1: Because one of my best friends growing up was a

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Speaker 1: others almost a huh. If a movie does have a

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Speaker 1: person of color main character, we often don't know anything

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Speaker 1: about their life or their back story. We talked about

425
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 1: this on like the Craft episode where the one woman

426
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Speaker 1: of color we only we don't know anything about her

427
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Speaker 1: family life, or her interests or anything. I can never

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Speaker 1: go to her house, but we go to everyone else. Yeah,

429
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 1: so that's a huge thing. And or the person of

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Speaker 1: color character will be some sort of trope or stereotype

431
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 1: rather than like an actually fleshed out, well developed character. Yeah.

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00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 1: I mean, like my my boyfriend posted because he also

433
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 1: had to watch it a bunch of times because we

434
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Speaker 1: share a bed, and I was like this, we're watching it,

435
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 1: and he posted that He's like, well, I don't think

436
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:28,120
Speaker 1: that it passed the Backtel test because just to speak

437
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 1: to what you were saying. In response to a very

438
00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:35,239
Speaker 1: lively common thread about the subject um, somebody brought up

439
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 1: what they called the DuVernay test, which is like bringing up,

440
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,239
Speaker 1: you know, do the people of color have names? Are

441
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Speaker 1: they being comforting or supporting of like the white characters,

442
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Speaker 1: like are they magical or not? And I'm like, well,

443
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,200
Speaker 1: I mean people of color magical, but you know what

444
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 1: I mean. But this movie, like you know, passes that

445
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 1: other one too, you know what I mean, just for

446
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Speaker 1: those reasons. Yeah, yeah, which is remarkable because we should

447
00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 1: so few more. Yeah, yeah, yea, yeah, definitely, Yeah. I

448
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 1: could definitely see a movie not passing the Beckel test,

449
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 1: but definitely passing the DNA test, especially if it's a

450
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:12,719
Speaker 1: movie about black men. That is the thing that see happening.

451
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Speaker 1: Shout out to black men, black men, You're doing great. Yeah. Yeah,

452
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 1: it's like such a remarkable thing to see. So few

453
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:27,160
Speaker 1: mainstream movies feature even one developed person of color character,

454
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 1: let alone several like this movie does. And like in

455
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 1: the first few minutes of the movie, we we get

456
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 1: a clear sense of each of the four main characters.

457
00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 1: It's four black women over the age of forty, again

458
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,680
Speaker 1: representation that we rarely see on screen, and you either

459
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 1: like find out what they do for a living or

460
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,800
Speaker 1: some other distinguishable trade about their character. I think you

461
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 1: find out what all of them to except for Tiffany Hatters,

462
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 1: she don't really She's works in an office some kind

463
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 1: of bang, get something fired. But it seems like that.

464
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 1: It seems like that because that seems it was super fun,

465
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:58,639
Speaker 1: and then you get the thing that that had happened,

466
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 1: like that happens like every other day often. Yeah, she's like,

467
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:05,639
Speaker 1: actually I do still have this job, and they're like, um, okay,

468
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 1: we're not going to fight, right Yeah. I mean, like

469
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 1: the top five minutes of this movie is like giving

470
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,159
Speaker 1: all of our main characters even she's some kind of

471
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 1: doctor or medical professional. She's a nurse. Yeah, she was

472
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 1: wearing scrubs. I don't know. I saw her and I

473
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 1: thought doctor, especially with that house. But who knows? Right?

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Speaker 1: That was another unclear thing because they do say she's

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Speaker 1: a nurse a couple of different times. But then we

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Speaker 1: find out again, like in that conversation very late in

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Speaker 1: the movie, that she lives with her mom, where at

478
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 1: the beginning I thought that she like mom was visiting

479
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: over it, yeah, to take care of her kids, right, yeah,

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00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 1: So I I mean, who knows. There there's some stuff

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Speaker 1: that I'm like, what what I didn't I totally missed

482
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 1: that she was a nurse? They do you mention it

483
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 1: at least because the job this movie. Because Regina Hall's character,

484
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure there's like one at least one moment.

485
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 1: It's usually directed to cleanly Tiva, but she's like she

486
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,919
Speaker 1: can be very condescending to her friends and is condescending

487
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 1: to each of them as it pertains to like something

488
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 1: about their life at least one like where I mean

489
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: with queenly Teeth is pretty constant of like, well, you

490
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 1: run a gossip blog, even when queenly Teeth is like yeah,

491
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 1: and this is why you should listen to me because

492
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 1: I run a gossip blog and I know what they're

493
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 1: gonna do to you, but she also like sort of

494
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 1: makes fun of Tiffany has his character for being like

495
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 1: loose and like too crazy for her age. And then

496
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 1: I like does come down on Jada Pinket's character for

497
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:35,639
Speaker 1: either being like too uptight or at one point she

498
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 1: was like, you're a nurse. I'm like, yeah, that's great

499
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 1: what you're doing. It's really good. It's weird. Yeah, I

500
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 1: don't know. So, like I would classify this sort of

501
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 1: as like a girl group movie. We've done a few

502
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 1: others of those on the podcast already, Mean Girls, Heathers,

503
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 1: the Ghostbusters reboot, Clueless, Love that episode, Thank You, Spice

504
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 1: Wirrel Old, the Craft, The Craft a league of their own.

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00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 1: I would even count. Yeah, we've done a lot, but

506
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 1: there's a ton of others that we haven't done. Bridesmaids,

507
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 1: Pitch Perfect Now, and then Grease, Whip It, Bring It On,

508
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 1: Charlie's Angels, Crossroads, Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants, Josie, Josie

509
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 1: and the Pussycats, Little Women, Steel Magnolia's Nine, Five First

510
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 1: spring Breakers, Job Breaker, rough Night. There's a ton of these.

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Speaker 1: Almost all of the ones I just named have either

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Speaker 1: no people of color or one maybe in their like

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00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 1: main ensemble cast. Um of the ones that I could

514
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Speaker 1: find that we're like super mainstream that featured a predominantly

515
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 1: women of color cast where dream Girls waiting to exhale

516
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 1: in a movie called Set It Off, which I you

517
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Speaker 1: don't know about. I don't know it wasn't you gotta

518
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 1: get another get another black woman on here and talk

519
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 1: about set it Off? It is an important movie to

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Speaker 1: black people. It's an amazing movie. And Jada Pinkett Smith

521
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 1: and Queen Lantifa are both in it, and they make

522
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 1: a lot of references in Girls Trip to like a

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Speaker 1: couple of usually in that fight scene with the wigs

524
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Speaker 1: and the cool This movie it's about a bunch of

525
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: women robbing a bank and Queen Zita plays a lesbian

526
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 1: in it, and it's like full on out, which is

527
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 1: like awesome, and it's tighter suck yeah right away and

528
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 1: yeah usually um if this is a this is why

529
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 1: it's important that like black artists also, right, I think

530
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 1: because the reason that those movies that you all you

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Speaker 1: listed got made is because of black writers. And we

532
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 1: already know the statistics that came out last year, which

533
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 1: literally broke my heart and made me cry about like

534
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 1: just the lack of black writers and writers rooms. TBS

535
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Speaker 1: I think had zero black writers on any of their

536
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Speaker 1: writing staff. Um, which punch me in the fucking pus.

537
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: I mean, my god, my play possy pocket. Um. And

538
00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 1: you know this movie is actually one of the first

539
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 1: movies in history that be directed by black people, written

540
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 1: by black people. And how starring black people to surpass

541
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 1: I guess a hundred million dollars? I read that I AMDB,

542
00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 1: So it's like really an important movie totally and why

543
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 1: all black artists need to write? Yeah? Absolutely. I was

544
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 1: reading this Hollywood Reporter article entitled Girl's Trip box office

545
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:38,720
Speaker 1: breaks are rated comedy curse proves power of diversity just

546
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 1: a quick thing at the topisodes. For decades, Hollywood studios

547
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: have operated on the premise that a film featuring a

548
00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 1: black cast wouldn't necessarily reach and play to a wider audience.

549
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 1: But movie goers are taking matters into their own hands,

550
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 1: challenging that assumption and proving Hollywood wrong. The latest example

551
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 1: came over the weekend, as universal critical darling Girls Trip

552
00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 1: opened to a rousing thirty point four million dollars the

553
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 1: best start bubble their budget by yeah, yeah, yeah, the

554
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 1: best start for an R rated comedy in two years,

555
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 1: and the best showing for any live action comedy so

556
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 1: far this year. Because the movie it had a budget

557
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 1: of nineteen million and then it grossed domestically over a

558
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 1: hundred and fifteen million. Makes my eyes misty. That's amazing,

559
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 1: so good, you know. I mean, they're not wrong in

560
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 1: thinking that a lot of black ensemble movies don't do well.

561
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 1: And it's also because I think there's a quality issue

562
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 1: and a lot of black entertainment. You know, there's movies

563
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: like Almost Christmas and all these other kind of like

564
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 1: we don't get a lot of like really well written

565
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 1: black entertainment. I think, um, and I think that this

566
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 1: movie kind of teeters on the brink of not being

567
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: particularly good in terms of like the story, you know

568
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 1: what I mean, Um, so it does happen. I mean,

569
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 1: Tyler Perry comes out with movies and in that vein,

570
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 1: they don't do well because they're not good. And the

571
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 1: reason this movie was so fucking good is to have

572
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 1: you know, like, if she wasn't in the movie, it

573
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 1: would not have done well. And I mean even like

574
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 1: looking at like if you look at that character on paper,

575
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 1: that's a hard character to like pull off and pull

576
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 1: off with like yeah, you know, she kills it. She's

577
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: so funny. She also improved a lot of her lines

578
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 1: and wrote a lot of her line like herself, so

579
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: like that stuff is. I mean, her stand up is

580
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 1: incredibly funny. Like it's no surprise. I wrote on some

581
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 1: of my favorite jokes from the movie and they were

582
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 1: all by her. She has all the laugh lines in

583
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 1: that movie. Yeah, yeah, and he wouldn't be funny without her.

584
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 1: She calls Stewart a milk dudhead. It's great because everyone's

585
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 1: thinking it. You look at him and you're like, he

586
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 1: looks like a whopper, looks like a milk and she says,

587
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 1: you look like an ugly dirty Mr. Clean. And then

588
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 1: the scene where she's demonstrating grape fruiting and then at

589
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 1: the end of it says, you never want to do

590
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 1: this with a pineapple. I almost died and that's gonna

591
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 1: like when she is doing it, and then she's like, oh,

592
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: she does like a little cosmy thing and then she

593
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 1: like licks the balls like amazing, pretends to choke. She's like,

594
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: you gotta pretend to choke, you know, you don't what

595
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 1: I want to make a man, think the man my favorite,

596
00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:16,839
Speaker 1: my favorite Tiffany had I mean, it's like it's also good,

597
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 1: but they're at the end of that weird late in

598
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 1: the movie exposition scene where she like keeps leaving and

599
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 1: then has like one more thing to say and kept

600
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 1: keeps turning around, and it's just like this long shot

601
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,840
Speaker 1: of her like trying to leave the scene five different times.

602
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 1: She's like, your car because I don't want you here,

603
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 1: no credit, your low limit? Have an asked? She stole

604
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 1: everything from Ryan and she's like, fine, I'll return it,

605
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:47,320
Speaker 1: including her idea, Like what the fun was she planning

606
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 1: to do? She returns everything one thing at a time

607
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:54,120
Speaker 1: and then and then like stump. It's so good. So

608
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: the scene where she buys the bottle of absence and

609
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 1: then she keeps being like he's like this will last

610
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 1: you five years, She like five months, god, and he's like, no,

611
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 1: you're not hearing me. She's like five days. Great, and

612
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 1: then she leaves by saying like this is about to

613
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:11,280
Speaker 1: be used very irresponsibly. Thank you so good. Yeah, she

614
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: she for sure made this movie. Her performance is so funny,

615
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 1: Like some of the humor in the movie wasn't for me.

616
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: Like I don't like grosshoft humor. So like the scene

617
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 1: where they're all like peeing on the zip line all

618
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:25,320
Speaker 1: over everybody. I was like, first of all, who peas

619
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: via a fire hoset spreading out of there? Like that's

620
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: not I like that. Jada Pinka did it, and then

621
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Speaker 1: timmany Hattish did it. I think I missed that the

622
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 1: first go round. I mean she like Jada Pinka did

623
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 1: it on accident and Tiffany did it on there. I

624
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 1: mean there's like a lot of That's like part of

625
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 1: what is interesting about this movie to me is it

626
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 1: is such a set up we've seen before, but never

627
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 1: within all women of color casts. So there are like

628
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 1: tropes of the genre that you see of like I

629
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 1: love the grape fruiting scene, but there's something like that

630
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 1: in every like version of this setup of like a

631
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 1: gross out sexy and a gross up the body function

632
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 1: scene that's gross farting shitting, The Melissa McCarthy shooting in

633
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 1: the sink thing and bridesmaid singer first thing at that

634
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 1: and then the whole absinthe sequence is like ovary to me,

635
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: Like there are definitely like tropes of this setup. But

636
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 1: that's like I don't know. It's like, well that's what

637
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 1: we signed up for, right, Yeah. And I mean it's

638
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 1: just nice to see a different version of that, like

639
00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 1: different representation, because usually we see it by fratty white

640
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 1: dudes in a movie or like hot white ladies and

641
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:45,319
Speaker 1: it's right, So it's just I mean, it's cool to

642
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 1: see black women do it for once. Yeah. Um, it's

643
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: also through our lands, so all the jokes and the humor,

644
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 1: it's just like, it's just it was gorgeous for that.

645
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 1: But one of the things I'm like most, I almost

646
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 1: didn't think this movie passed the back toel test because

647
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 1: of the amount to focus on men in this movie.

648
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 1: We almost lose character development and finding out more about

649
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 1: their friendship because of all of the ship about dudes,

650
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 1: all of the stuff about there's not so much it's

651
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 1: so male focused. My fear that like one thing I

652
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 1: was afraid of happening the whole movie because we are

653
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 1: forced to wait so long to find out what happened

654
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: between Regina, which was over a man. I was so

655
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 1: worried that it was going to be some sort of

656
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: falling out of her a guy. And it's sort of

657
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 1: it had to do with Stewart. The reason that so

658
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:38,360
Speaker 1: the reveal is that Regina and Queen Latifa had started

659
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 1: a publication together, but then Regina pulled out rather abruptly

660
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:45,800
Speaker 1: when it seemed like she could do better with Stewart,

661
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,359
Speaker 1: so it did. It was sort of a round a man.

662
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,319
Speaker 1: I was afraid it was going to just be like, Oh,

663
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:52,359
Speaker 1: we got to fight about a guy and then we

664
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: can't be because that happens all of the s. Also, like,

665
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 1: why didn't Queen Latifa just play a lesbian in this

666
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 1: I was wondering that because she doesn't have except for

667
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 1: that time when she makes that with that lamp, and

668
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: she doesn't, which is amazing, what a great physical Also,

669
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 1: the best sex scene in the movie, um was Queen

670
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 1: land Sifa hunched on a lineup UM with her hair

671
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 1: swinging um like you know, she never has any romantic scene,

672
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:24,799
Speaker 1: so it was interesting. Yes, yeah, there's not there's not

673
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 1: really any queer representation in this movie that I In fact,

674
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: they make some remarks that are kind of vaguely homophobic,

675
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,240
Speaker 1: even a couple of times in the movie where they'd

676
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 1: be talking to a man and they'd be like, oh,

677
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 1: do you have a wife, No, do you have a

678
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 1: husband like kind of like condescending and just like not

679
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 1: very like what if he was gay and what's wrong

680
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 1: with that? And they just, yeah, I would have been

681
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 1: nice to see some queer representation. Queen land Sifa could

682
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,399
Speaker 1: just come out already, you know what I mean, she's

683
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 1: not officially out, but like there's all the paparazzi pictures,

684
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 1: you know, or her and her girlfriend Abony, that's her name.

685
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: I thought this same thing about Um. I didn't articulate

686
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 1: this on the episode, but we recently did an episode

687
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 1: about the Ghostbusters reboot, and I was like, Kate McKinnon

688
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:13,439
Speaker 1: lesbian actor could have made lesbian, yes, and that would

689
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 1: have given people the opportunity. I mean, her being lesbian

690
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 1: might not have served this story at all, but like

691
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 1: it just would have been right and it would have

692
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 1: given like young people an opportunity to see lesbian representation

693
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 1: on screen. So I was like, that would have been cool.

694
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 1: But but I also kind of wanted to compare this

695
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 1: movie to that Ghostbusters reboot because we talked about on

696
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 1: that episode that the characters in that movie and Ghostbusters

697
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 1: aren't very well fleshed out. They don't really have distinct

698
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 1: personalities save for Kate McKinnon's character being you know, a

699
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 1: little cookie and maybe socially awkward. I think that that

700
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 1: day is just like Paul Feig does not know how

701
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 1: to reel it in and it's like improvised, I don't know,

702
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 1: make it up, figure it out, and so then like

703
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 1: I don't know. But but conversely a Girl's Trip, I

704
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 1: think it's characters are much more fleshed out. So I'm sure, yeah,

705
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 1: I think it was probably to do with like the

706
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 1: women's improv though I don't know how much of it

707
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 1: was actually written in right, because Timmy Hattes She's character.

708
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 1: There's no way that they wrote that like that, you

709
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 1: know what I mean, She for sure like built all

710
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 1: of that stuff. Yeah, there's some I wanted to talk

711
00:40:24,040 --> 00:40:28,280
Speaker 1: a little bit about Lisa, So that's Jada Pinkett's character,

712
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 1: because there were a few moments that kind of like

713
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 1: I don't know, like my antenna went up a few

714
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 1: different times because she's framed from the get go as

715
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:40,600
Speaker 1: she's divorced. She is hyper protective of her children, kind

716
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,720
Speaker 1: of like a type a uptight character, and her friends

717
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 1: give her some ship for that. Fine. We have seen

718
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: a character like this a million times. But there's like

719
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 1: a few moments like Back to Bed where they go

720
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:55,920
Speaker 1: to this hotel and there's that guy who shows up

721
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:58,720
Speaker 1: thinks that they're like, is trying to pay three dollars

722
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 1: for a blowjob? I forgot about that. Yeah, that's a

723
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: very weird moment in this movie where I don't know,

724
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 1: I'm interested in what you guys think about it, because

725
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 1: he shows up, he is like, there's usually a woman

726
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: who gives me a three dollar blowjobreche Rochelle, And they're like,

727
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 1: oh no, get out, and then he spits on Regina

728
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:24,959
Speaker 1: hall leaves and then flashes them and they all freak out,

729
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 1: but kind of in like a well this is so

730
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 1: weird and kind of funny kind of way. And then

731
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 1: Lisa as a button. I'm like, is anyone gonna say anything,

732
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 1: like what how is the movie viewing this scene? You know,

733
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 1: at the very end, Lisa's like, I don't think that

734
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 1: was funny at all, and that's just and that's the

735
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: end of the scene. Was like, I don't know, how

736
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,800
Speaker 1: did you I was I thought that was the funniest

737
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 1: part of the scene with her button. Yeah, yeah, I

738
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 1: was like, well, at least someone said also, I liked

739
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 1: seeing dick in the movie. I was like, hey, tight dick.

740
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 1: We've seen eight billion boobs in movies, and yeah, we

741
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 1: hardly ever see dicks. So even when it's a gross

742
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 1: stick like that, dudes was and he was doing okay,

743
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 1: I mean for age, you know he wasn't. I just

744
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 1: was like, don't don't spit on her gin I missed that.

745
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:20,919
Speaker 1: I think he spits on her face. Yeah, that doesn't

746
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 1: get addressed. We cut to the next scene and they're

747
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 1: going out and everyone's teasing Lisa for her outfit, which

748
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 1: is ridiculous. That's also kind of a running gag in

749
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:30,720
Speaker 1: the movie where they're making fun of what she's wearing.

750
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 1: That was a great Tiffany Hashland to where she's like,

751
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 1: you looks like someone's porter you can grab. That was

752
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:39,439
Speaker 1: queenland Tifa. Tiffany Hatrish was like, uh, and don't take

753
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 1: so long back they're making to Molly's or whatever that was.

754
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:44,919
Speaker 1: But then that one too, They there's like a little

755
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 1: moment where they're basically like, and go shave your huge

756
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 1: bush has bush? Alan let her have her bush. She

757
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,439
Speaker 1: should change, but she doesn't have to share her bush.

758
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 1: Dress was amazing. Can we talk about it, and I

759
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 1: was like, I want that dress. There's a lot of

760
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:09,040
Speaker 1: really good looks and really weird look can we I

761
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 1: have never in my fucking life seeing Queen Latifa dressed

762
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 1: so fucking horrendously ever fucking dress I'm gonna I am so.

763
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 1: I tweeted about it at the time, and I'm tweeted

764
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 1: about it this weekend when I rewatched. Why why was

765
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 1: she dress up early? Like just because she's a size

766
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: fourteen doesn't mean that she needs to wear like just

767
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:35,360
Speaker 1: every ugly, ill fitting thing they could find. I was like,

768
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:38,480
Speaker 1: could she not get a fucking towards sponsorship fashion Nova

769
00:43:38,560 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 1: Curb couldn't step in and give the bitch something that

770
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 1: like showed off her waist. I mean, And it's weird

771
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 1: because they she even says in the hotel room like,

772
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 1: oh I have to look really good because I'm sponsored,

773
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 1: or but like she says when she's covering the live

774
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 1: having her having to return her clothes. But I'm like,

775
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 1: how do you How do you live in that apartment

776
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 1: and drive the car that was repossessed and not have

777
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 1: also spent some of that money like looking really good.

778
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 1: She's dressed like a rockabilly duvet at one point. I

779
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:11,280
Speaker 1: mean another time, it's like she has a fucking target

780
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 1: prom dress that's also a drumper romper thing, a lot

781
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,839
Speaker 1: of jumper romper things for her. I just I was

782
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,879
Speaker 1: so disappointed in that. I'm just sick of like as

783
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 1: as a big bitch. I'm sick a big bitch is

784
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:25,800
Speaker 1: looking ugly on screen, Okay, like everyone else gonna have

785
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 1: a cute look except for queenland Tifa. The only good

786
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 1: one she had is at the end in the second line.

787
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 1: I liked that dress anyways. Sorry, no valid points. There's

788
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:37,440
Speaker 1: a and there's like then there was no lot like

789
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 1: lack of There was a lot of outfit changes in

790
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,440
Speaker 1: this new for you, Like there was one. Yeah, there

791
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 1: were tons about so good. I liked everyone else's costumes,

792
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 1: Tiffany hash, I don't think I had a bad outfit.

793
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 1: I want that dress she was wearing when she's on

794
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 1: the airplane singing am every Woman, I was like, oh

795
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: that was that was another genre trope that it was like,

796
00:44:59,160 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 1: oh drunk on an plane. Yeah yeah. Can we talk

797
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 1: about Kate Walsh's character because so you first meet her

798
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 1: and she's like sexually harassing Stewart Number one. Yeah, it's

799
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:17,720
Speaker 1: very uncomfortable way. I mean white women and their treatment

800
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 1: of white Here's the here's the thing. This is a

801
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 1: general statement. And before any of your white lady listeners

802
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 1: try to get at me and my mentions, my mom

803
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 1: is white, my dad is black, So I'm talking about us, girlfriends.

804
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 1: Um listen. White women are the first people to jump

805
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 1: up and shout about sexual harassment. But yet let's even

806
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 1: look at like stand ups, Like white women who are

807
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:42,360
Speaker 1: stand ups are very much like against sexual harassment and

808
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 1: all of this stuff. And that's great. I'm with your sister,

809
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 1: But then you can't have jokes in your act about

810
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 1: how big black men's dicks are. You can't then turn

811
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 1: around and completely objectify black men as these pieces of meat.

812
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:54,839
Speaker 1: So that scene, for me, I was like, that's realistic.

813
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:58,879
Speaker 1: I like seeing like white women treat like touching them

814
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:02,799
Speaker 1: inappropriately and blick just basically taking them and making them

815
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:05,839
Speaker 1: just their junk. You know, it happens all the time

816
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 1: with white women. So for me, I was like, oh,

817
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 1: that's a real thing. And also even though like as

818
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 1: an audience member, you want Regina to like fight and

819
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 1: be like don't don't want to touch you but in

820
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 1: real life you wouldn't. You wouldn't. Especially this woman's your agent.

821
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 1: She's like helping money get work and stuff like that.

822
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 1: I wanted your take on it, certainly, um, but I

823
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:28,719
Speaker 1: thought it was probably a comment on that very thing

824
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:32,840
Speaker 1: where white women society in general, but you know, especially

825
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 1: again fucking shitty white people, specially for sending y'all suck.

826
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like every election you show up and

827
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: you vote the wrong fucking way, talk to your aunties

828
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 1: and your alma's wherever the funk you were from. Ladies,

829
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:48,959
Speaker 1: Ladies have them tough conversations. You're supposed to be happening enough.

830
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, what was I figured it was probably, oh,

831
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:59,280
Speaker 1: this is good. I thought her like inappropriately touching Stewart

832
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 1: was probably a comment on like the over sexualization of

833
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 1: black men in culture, society, media. And then that conversation,

834
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 1: I mean, and then doesn't that the other I think

835
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 1: that this is like the longest we see the month

836
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 1: screen together. There's that conversation between Kate Walsh and Regina

837
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: Hall that comes right afterwards, where Kate Walsh just like

838
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:24,240
Speaker 1: not picking up on like she girl, yeah gonna get turned.

839
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 1: Yeah it turned yeah, she's using a lot of like

840
00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 1: she's for sure like ultually appropriating a lot of language.

841
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 1: And Regina Jamie you mentioned this, like handles this very

842
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:41,359
Speaker 1: well and that she's like it's crazy how well she's like,

843
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 1: it's like it I watched that scene two or three

844
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:48,840
Speaker 1: times because it's like I don't I mean, I'm interested

845
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 1: in what we all think about it, but it's like

846
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 1: it's I was like, whoa, you know, so perfectly stated

847
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 1: and also is so not on her to have to say.

848
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:01,839
Speaker 1: At the same time, it's just I appreciate to that.

849
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 1: Like at the end of Regina's speech there even Kate

850
00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:08,800
Speaker 1: Walsh not going to try to learn her character's name. Um,

851
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 1: she says, I'm not even offended. Thank you. That was

852
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 1: really touching and I get it and then turns around

853
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 1: and you know, obviously it doesn't get it, but like,

854
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 1: like I think that it was so it's what you know,

855
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 1: a lot of us think and feel, you know, yeah,

856
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 1: I feel like Kate Walsh's character was like the queen

857
00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 1: of like microaggressions almost in this movie, because she's like

858
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 1: just borrowing a lot of language, and Regina's response is

859
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 1: you can't keep saying these things like, you can't keep

860
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:34,880
Speaker 1: talking like this. You're going to Essence Fest. There's going

861
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 1: to be half a million people celebrating black womanhood. You

862
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 1: are a guest act appropriately, And then Kate Walsh, her character,

863
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 1: she ignores her and basically just keeps doing it. And

864
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 1: then every time after that they're just kind of like shrug,

865
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 1: like we tried, and I guess she's just going to

866
00:48:52,440 --> 00:48:54,880
Speaker 1: keep being an awful white woman. But yeah, I just

867
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 1: I thought that was like a really awesome scene to

868
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 1: see play out in the movie where she's actually confronting

869
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 1: Kate character about it, although I will say it does

870
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:05,840
Speaker 1: come up later and it actually kind of works, I

871
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 1: guess to a benefit during the cooking demonstration when she's like,

872
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 1: you know, it's a colloquialism, like you know, put your

873
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 1: put in and slap your mama, so like that, I

874
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 1: think it comes back a little bit. But yeah, it was.

875
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 1: It was a really impactful scene. I thought, Yeah, that

876
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:22,279
Speaker 1: was I just wish the black men were treated better

877
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 1: sometimes my white women. Yeah. There, and and the fact

878
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 1: that like Regina's character leads with She's like and I'm

879
00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 1: saying this out of love and like has to do

880
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 1: all these like qualifying her own accurate statement before she

881
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:41,319
Speaker 1: says it. That was a really really, really really really

882
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 1: good scene. Can we talk about Kate Wall's drinking a candle? Um? Um?

883
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:50,360
Speaker 1: I was talking to Danielle Perez, who you've had on

884
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 1: the podcast The Pocus Pocus Up. Yeah, she's one of

885
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 1: my dearest oldest friends old emphasis on the oldest. Um.

886
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:01,600
Speaker 1: She's like to, he's like two decades older than me.

887
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 1: I'm not even supposed to be here. How did I

888
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:11,840
Speaker 1: drive here? Um? No? But like that is one of

889
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:15,319
Speaker 1: the most memorable images for me from that movie, is

890
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 1: like Kate Walsh drinking that fucking candle back in check.

891
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:22,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, wait that that did happen? That did happen

892
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 1: because she's got like the wax then like melted on

893
00:50:25,640 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 1: her lips for a while. She tries to pay for

894
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 1: their drinks with her fucking shoe. I think she could

895
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 1: do that. And then the button on that scene is, um,

896
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:41,000
Speaker 1: Queen Latifa's like here, my date will settle this build

897
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:43,840
Speaker 1: and she's talking about the lamp because she was tripping

898
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:46,360
Speaker 1: and making out with the lamp, and then she was

899
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 1: also tripping stands up and she's like, welcome, nice to

900
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 1: me to the lamp. It's great comedy. Her character is

901
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 1: like too much in every conceivable, like, yeah, the Queen

902
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:05,439
Speaker 1: of micro aggressions. And I think just like, oh, yeah,

903
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 1: this is something I've seen and possibly even been guilty

904
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 1: of myself in the past, because you know, white ladies

905
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 1: have to be fucking accountable. Is like of overcompensating. Um, Like,

906
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 1: her character is constantly overcompensating. She genuinely doesn't get it,

907
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:24,760
Speaker 1: but also seems to want to be accepted, but she doesn't.

908
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 1: She's not putting in the work and she's not actually listening,

909
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:30,760
Speaker 1: and so she just ends up like in every scene

910
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:35,359
Speaker 1: she's overcompensating. In some ways it's like uncomfortable, and then

911
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:39,760
Speaker 1: in other ways she's drinking a candle, right, And also

912
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 1: like the whole time making money off of black people,

913
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 1: black culture, which is also I think a comment on

914
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:48,319
Speaker 1: the entertainment industry in general, like you like to make

915
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 1: money off of us, but yet you don't know us.

916
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:53,279
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, I think she's doing it is maybe

917
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:55,600
Speaker 1: a way to say like, yeah, I can relate to

918
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:59,279
Speaker 1: or like, see I'm relatable, but like not putting in

919
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 1: any effort to listen and have a discussion and things

920
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 1: like that, which is timely as fun because we all

921
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:12,399
Speaker 1: have to have these conversations. Yeah, anyway, can we talk

922
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:17,719
Speaker 1: about Simone? Talk about something Simon? Simon? So Simone is

923
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:21,919
Speaker 1: the Instagram model who Stewart is having an affair with

924
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 1: that Ryan sort of knows about, but she doesn't necessarily

925
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 1: know all the details. Then in the movie later on,

926
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 1: Simone reveals that she is pregnant with Stewart's baby. That

927
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 1: scene to me when Simone, because she's around and it's like,

928
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:40,919
Speaker 1: you know, there's like the cooking demonstration where it turns

929
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 1: into this big physical comedy scene whatever. But that scene

930
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:47,400
Speaker 1: with Queen Latifa, that was so bizarro to me the

931
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:49,799
Speaker 1: way it played out, because it the first half of

932
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 1: that scene, I was like, oh, we're getting to know

933
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 1: this character a little bit, and it was before she

934
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 1: was kind of this like two dimensional, like she's just

935
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:03,240
Speaker 1: the person that Regina husband is cheating with. But then

936
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 1: she comes in and she like she's she has a

937
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:08,239
Speaker 1: few good lines in there of like I didn't make

938
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:11,759
Speaker 1: this baby by myself, you know, like basically asking that

939
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:14,800
Speaker 1: Stewart be accountable to her and not just totally fucking

940
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:17,440
Speaker 1: blow her off because he you know, was an active

941
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 1: part of that relationship, and for that part, I was like, oh,

942
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 1: this is cool. I feel like we don't usually get

943
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 1: to see the other woman character treated like this. But

944
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:31,440
Speaker 1: then she's like, by the way, I'm blackmailing you goodbye,

945
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 1: and then as I was like, oh, man, kind of

946
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 1: for me, like sold out the little bit of characterization

947
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:39,319
Speaker 1: she was given, because then she just became the villain again,

948
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 1: like she's a person for two seconds and then she

949
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 1: has a villain again. And then they said she looked

950
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 1: like a dog, although that wasn't really funny the whole

951
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:56,840
Speaker 1: Tiffany hash that's great. Yeah, yeah, yeah that did that?

952
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:59,319
Speaker 1: Did I feel like she was kind of cheated out

953
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 1: of more an opportunity to be more like well rounded

954
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:05,880
Speaker 1: character because then she I mean, sure, like movies have

955
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:07,799
Speaker 1: to have villains, like not everyone's going to be nice,

956
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 1: but well, I think of movie doesn't really have to

957
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:14,279
Speaker 1: have I don't know. I I felt like I'm talking

958
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 1: through this in real time, but I feel like, how

959
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:18,759
Speaker 1: different would the movie be if that scene doesn't end

960
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 1: with her saying, by the way, I'm blackmailing you goodbye?

961
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:24,080
Speaker 1: Because I feel like that the conversation between Regina Hall

962
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:26,839
Speaker 1: and Stewart would still have happened anyways. Like, I just

963
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 1: I don't know why she had to be putting Queen

964
00:54:30,600 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 1: Lativa's character. I think given her some skin in the game,

965
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 1: and that's why she did it. That makes sense, right,

966
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:41,960
Speaker 1: because then whenever that photos leaked, Regina thinks queen, which

967
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:44,399
Speaker 1: is a weird jump. Also, I'm like, I didn't even

968
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 1: hear her one minute believed the Queen Latifa like was

969
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:49,759
Speaker 1: doing that, because even if it set up that she's

970
00:54:49,840 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 1: like losing her house and like her car is getting

971
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 1: repossessed and all this stuff, and she's like in a

972
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 1: financial crisis, but her character is established and developed in

973
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 1: such a way that she would never sell her friend basically.

974
00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 1: So well, that's that brings me to the point of

975
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 1: a lot of the conflict in this movie derives from

976
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 1: relationships between these women. So it's either like within the

977
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:16,360
Speaker 1: group there's tension or outside of the group there's tension,

978
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 1: usually with Simone. And some of the conflict does derive

979
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:21,799
Speaker 1: from Stewart and him being a piece of ship and

980
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:24,919
Speaker 1: cheating on Ryan and stuff like that. But Gloria's high

981
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:32,439
Speaker 1: definition every single time. They're beautiful. But the fact remains little.

982
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:34,839
Speaker 1: A lot of the conflict in the movie derives from

983
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 1: complications between female characters, which I mean, I don't know what,

984
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:43,760
Speaker 1: if any statement is being made there, but society perpetuates

985
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:46,840
Speaker 1: this idea that women are caddy and there's all this

986
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:49,440
Speaker 1: drama between women and women can't get along and stuff

987
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:55,919
Speaker 1: like that, and movies that promote this. I'm always like, well, like, yeah,

988
00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know how I feel about it,

989
00:55:57,600 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 1: And I don't know. I mean, is there a version

990
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:03,440
Speaker 1: of because there are so many versions of this setup,

991
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 1: is there a version of this setup where there are

992
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:08,839
Speaker 1: main cast members so that we've got to put them

993
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:11,279
Speaker 1: in conflict right each other or nothing happens. I don't know.

994
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 1: I know, yeah, I don't know, but maybe maybe that's

995
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:16,440
Speaker 1: not true. I'm trying to think of like a counterpoint

996
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:19,239
Speaker 1: to that, but there, I mean, there's a there's a

997
00:56:19,280 --> 00:56:22,800
Speaker 1: lot of the conflict in this movie comes from Regina

998
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 1: Hall's marriage and how her friends perceive it. That's true,

999
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 1: So that's where a lot of it comes from. Yeah. Plus,

1000
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 1: I mean, if you see a male counterpart version of

1001
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:35,400
Speaker 1: this movie where you see something like Old School or

1002
00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 1: the Hangover kind of thing where it's there's also conflict

1003
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 1: among the male characters, so it's not necessarily a gender

1004
00:56:41,160 --> 00:56:44,400
Speaker 1: specific thing. It's just sort of like how these movies

1005
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:47,319
Speaker 1: are structured and where conflict is derived, because it often

1006
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:50,799
Speaker 1: is just like interpersonal relationships between the ging. The game

1007
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 1: has to break up so they can get back together

1008
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:58,320
Speaker 1: at the end, and yeah, that's to cheat a girl.

1009
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:02,600
Speaker 1: I don't think I ever have Oh man, does anyone

1010
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 1: have any other thoughts about the movie? Yeah, I would

1011
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 1: say that, you know, the Bechdel test is it's it's

1012
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 1: really good and I'm glad we have it because it

1013
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:13,759
Speaker 1: helps frame a lot of stuff. I think that this

1014
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 1: movie it technically passes it. But I was mentioning this earlier.

1015
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 1: I just it's so about the men. Like there's this other,

1016
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 1: like weird subplot about like, let's talk about the end

1017
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 1: of the movie. Like the last scene where like Ryan's

1018
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 1: at her speech and all the they know that she's

1019
00:57:30,240 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 1: going to get the steal and they have a night out,

1020
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 1: they go see a concert. There's this monologue that Ryan

1021
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 1: has where she's talking about at the end of the day,

1022
00:57:37,560 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 1: all you have is your friends, and then the image

1023
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 1: on the screen is her hugged up with this dude

1024
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 1: who the whole time is like basically like her night

1025
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:48,440
Speaker 1: and shining armor, like shows up like nobody has uber

1026
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 1: in this world. Apparently I can't just call this was

1027
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 1: the Julian I kept it calling I'm like the guy,

1028
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 1: he puts them in a better hotel, he kind of

1029
00:57:57,320 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 1: picks them up after their thing with the cops, just

1030
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 1: all of this kind the crazy stuff, and it's it's

1031
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:04,400
Speaker 1: just like, I don't I don't know if I needed

1032
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:07,400
Speaker 1: any of that. I don't think he needed to be there. Yeah,

1033
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 1: it didn't make sense to me, and also sort of

1034
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:13,720
Speaker 1: actively goes against what it seems like our takeaway was

1035
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 1: supposed to be. Was like and if we're talking about

1036
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 1: like the dynamic between because we haven't really talked about

1037
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 1: the dynamic between Regina and Stewart, because it's I mean,

1038
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 1: I think that there's a lot to unpack there, but

1039
00:58:26,560 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 1: I feel like some of it was there was a

1040
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:31,440
Speaker 1: lot of energy being put to make fun of the

1041
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 1: other woman, although there's also a lot of energy put

1042
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 1: calling Stewart and milk Don and a lot of really

1043
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 1: really creative insults. Uh, Like every scene we see Regina

1044
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 1: and Stewart, and I mean he's gaslighting her to some

1045
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:50,080
Speaker 1: degree and basically saying like, well, if I'm not in

1046
00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:52,080
Speaker 1: your life, your career is going to fall apart. And

1047
00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 1: we know the whole movie that you know she's going

1048
00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:56,520
Speaker 1: to figure out this isn't true. But yeah, I don't know.

1049
00:58:56,560 --> 00:59:00,120
Speaker 1: It's like there's there's energy put into like what there

1050
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 1: didn't need to be another male character. Yeah, that that

1051
00:59:03,760 --> 00:59:05,960
Speaker 1: was a romantic interest, and none of the other three

1052
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 1: characters really got a romantic interest. We didn't even talk

1053
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 1: about jot as little Chocolate Peace. Oh that's where it

1054
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 1: technically ends as them looking at the thing when this

1055
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:19,440
Speaker 1: guy first comes on screen. I was in Glendale when

1056
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 1: I saw the movie. I want you to know that,

1057
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:24,840
Speaker 1: like every single woman in gay Dude in that audience

1058
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:28,000
Speaker 1: was like like there was such a like a loud,

1059
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:31,600
Speaker 1: physical like vibration that went through the room when he

1060
00:59:31,800 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 1: was like smizing up at her, and it's like and

1061
00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:39,200
Speaker 1: then you see him pretty much naked except for like

1062
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 1: greape fruits on his dick later on, which was amazing.

1063
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean she that was a kind of

1064
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:46,840
Speaker 1: a cool one. I guess I liked that just because

1065
00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 1: we got to see him. Yeah, I mean it was great.

1066
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 1: So with's that kind of subplot with Jada Pinkett Smith's

1067
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:57,560
Speaker 1: character and this guy who's like twenty one, she's like

1068
00:59:57,560 --> 01:00:01,360
Speaker 1: like twice his age or something like that, which good

1069
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 1: on her. So with Jada's character, her whole thing is

1070
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:08,720
Speaker 1: that she's painted is this like uptight mom who's just

1071
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 1: like focused on her kids and she hasn't had sex

1072
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:12,919
Speaker 1: in a couple of years and everyone's like you gotta

1073
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:14,840
Speaker 1: even her mom like it was like you need to

1074
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:17,960
Speaker 1: go like dust out like cobwebs, and like, yeah, I

1075
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:21,440
Speaker 1: don't love that, right because it's basically saying, especially when

1076
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:23,600
Speaker 1: it's like a hetero thing, it's like only a man

1077
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:25,880
Speaker 1: can cure you of this, right. Well, they said like

1078
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:30,120
Speaker 1: at one point, like you know, penetration is medicinal. It's like, yeah,

1079
01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:34,240
Speaker 1: that's a little heteronormative. And she also is saying like

1080
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:37,160
Speaker 1: in the drunk plane scene, she's she's kind of saying

1081
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:40,080
Speaker 1: like that masturbate all that. Yeah, she's got to shower head.

1082
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:43,000
Speaker 1: And it has been very good to me of erotica.

1083
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:47,280
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, very like intense erotica or whatever. I was like, oh,

1084
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:49,400
Speaker 1: I mean she might be fine. I don't know. Yeah,

1085
01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:53,960
Speaker 1: I did that that whole like uptight lady character that

1086
01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:56,440
Speaker 1: we see all the time, and then the messages like

1087
01:00:56,480 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 1: she just needs a good digging and she cured. So like,

1088
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 1: I don't think there was such a big difference for

1089
01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:06,040
Speaker 1: me in terms of her portrayal of the characters change.

1090
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:09,040
Speaker 1: I thought that her performance was a little bit flat

1091
01:01:09,040 --> 01:01:11,000
Speaker 1: and when it came to this, because I think that

1092
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:13,240
Speaker 1: you can take that character and be so uptight and

1093
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:15,479
Speaker 1: then really go lucy goosey with it. And I don't

1094
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:17,040
Speaker 1: know if she did that. I don't know if she

1095
01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:21,080
Speaker 1: fully completed the arc for me as an actor. Yeah,

1096
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:24,880
Speaker 1: it's what I mean, Yeah, And I think that's that's

1097
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:28,280
Speaker 1: what's the fucking There's a movie with Sandra Bullock where

1098
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:30,640
Speaker 1: she has just terrible banks and that is a lot

1099
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:37,440
Speaker 1: of them, but everything's two weeks noticed that where basically

1100
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:41,600
Speaker 1: it's like Sandra Bullock is mean but good at her job,

1101
01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:44,760
Speaker 1: and then Hugh Grant fox her and her life has

1102
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:49,280
Speaker 1: changed every movie in the nineties. I mean, Hugh Grant

1103
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:52,040
Speaker 1: must have just the magical as a dick. I mean,

1104
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:56,440
Speaker 1: can call him Firth just must be ejaculating straight up

1105
01:01:56,520 --> 01:02:01,560
Speaker 1: miracles may I just say, may I just say that

1106
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:05,680
Speaker 1: Hugh Grant in Paddington Too deserves an oscar really did

1107
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:10,080
Speaker 1: such a good job and the movie. I love Paddington.

1108
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:13,880
Speaker 1: I love Paddington Too. They're terrific movies. Then treat its

1109
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:16,720
Speaker 1: female characters pretty well. I would say I think they

1110
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:19,040
Speaker 1: would make for interesting episodes. Just putting it out there,

1111
01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:27,240
Speaker 1: I got your ten a message were sing but information

1112
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:29,680
Speaker 1: also important. Hugh Grant does a really bang up job

1113
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:32,760
Speaker 1: in Paddington Too. There is Hugh Grant? Is that Is

1114
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:35,160
Speaker 1: he like a guy or is he Paddington? He's a

1115
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:38,040
Speaker 1: guy's in the movie as himself. He's been as himself,

1116
01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:40,800
Speaker 1: but think as himself. He's like, yeah, well yeah, he's

1117
01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:43,360
Speaker 1: always playing himself. Yeah, he's never playing somebody's also playing

1118
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:45,360
Speaker 1: like a washed up actor who hasn't worked in a while.

1119
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:48,280
Speaker 1: Oh is that what he's doing and that's his character

1120
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:51,919
Speaker 1: in the he's playing himself. Yeah. Can I just really quick,

1121
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:53,960
Speaker 1: I just want to bring up one. Can I just

1122
01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:58,080
Speaker 1: say shout out to Mace He made a cameo during

1123
01:02:58,080 --> 01:03:00,680
Speaker 1: the movie, as did he did he? Can we talk

1124
01:03:00,680 --> 01:03:02,360
Speaker 1: about like how proud I am that he got his

1125
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:04,440
Speaker 1: SAG healthcare? This year, you know what I mean. I

1126
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:07,200
Speaker 1: was like, good for you, Ma, good for you. They

1127
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:10,760
Speaker 1: were good. And there wasn't one cameo in this movie

1128
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 1: that bugged me. And also it was the perfect set

1129
01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:15,360
Speaker 1: Like my thing with cameos is if it's not like

1130
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:18,480
Speaker 1: set up just so, it bugs me. Like the fun

1131
01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:21,440
Speaker 1: we did the Ghostbusters, the new one, and there's an

1132
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:24,960
Speaker 1: Azzy Osbourne cameo in that movie that makes no fucking

1133
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:27,440
Speaker 1: I don't even remember it. But we're at Essence Festival

1134
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:30,680
Speaker 1: in this and so every cameo was like well contextualized

1135
01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:33,760
Speaker 1: and really welcome and excited. Alba, how do you say?

1136
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:38,640
Speaker 1: You land sand But she was great And when she

1137
01:03:38,680 --> 01:03:41,080
Speaker 1: confriends Queen lind Sifa, I do think she was gonna

1138
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:47,600
Speaker 1: hurt her. They cut right in time. Yeah, hey, yeah,

1139
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:49,720
Speaker 1: let's talk about whether they were not. The movie passes

1140
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:52,240
Speaker 1: the back. Sorry, I've been like talking about it since.

1141
01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:57,400
Speaker 1: What a bitch. The whole point of the podcast is

1142
01:03:57,600 --> 01:04:02,680
Speaker 1: too bad things. We're actually we're trying to take it

1143
01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:05,160
Speaker 1: a little bit like we use the Vectel test as

1144
01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:09,040
Speaker 1: like literally step one. We don't so we can talk

1145
01:04:09,040 --> 01:04:12,520
Speaker 1: about everything all the time. For our version of the

1146
01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:16,360
Speaker 1: Vechtel test, the bar is very low, extremely two women

1147
01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:20,400
Speaker 1: talking about not a man for literally two lines of dialogue.

1148
01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:24,680
Speaker 1: This movie passes pretty handily, right if we if we

1149
01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:27,440
Speaker 1: were doing it like the entire scene between two women

1150
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:30,560
Speaker 1: has to pass, this movie might not not do it

1151
01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:32,800
Speaker 1: as well. But with our version, it's just a two

1152
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:36,440
Speaker 1: line exchange. So in that case talks for taking another

1153
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:38,360
Speaker 1: look at the way we look at the test too,

1154
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:41,280
Speaker 1: because it's there are some movies that pass the VCTEL

1155
01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:45,880
Speaker 1: tests that are so horrible to women, and there just

1156
01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:47,960
Speaker 1: happens to be a scene with a waitress with a

1157
01:04:48,040 --> 01:04:52,240
Speaker 1: name at one point, right, Yeah, but yes, the female

1158
01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:57,360
Speaker 1: characters who outnumber the male characters may say there's scenes

1159
01:04:57,400 --> 01:05:00,240
Speaker 1: where Ryan is talking to her agent liz A out

1160
01:05:00,320 --> 01:05:04,600
Speaker 1: deals or the Flossy posse, or about Regina Halls titties

1161
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:07,680
Speaker 1: at one point, so that's I guess passes the death

1162
01:05:07,960 --> 01:05:10,560
Speaker 1: Lisa talks to her mom about taking care of the kids.

1163
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:14,640
Speaker 1: They all talk to each other about their friendship and

1164
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:17,120
Speaker 1: all kinds of stuff. Dina and Lesa talk about how

1165
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:21,000
Speaker 1: Dina has hid pot in her booty hole. That's the

1166
01:05:21,040 --> 01:05:23,120
Speaker 1: line in the movie sometimes that made it to the

1167
01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:28,360
Speaker 1: previews and all that like all the commercials that. Yeah. Yeah,

1168
01:05:28,360 --> 01:05:30,960
Speaker 1: so there's tons of scenes talk about everything, and they

1169
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:32,840
Speaker 1: do talk about men a lot, but they do, but

1170
01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:35,440
Speaker 1: they talk about everything. Yeah, I would say these scenes

1171
01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:38,520
Speaker 1: like at some point they pivot and become exclusively the

1172
01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:42,080
Speaker 1: objective becomes like getting a man for a lot of them.

1173
01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:45,120
Speaker 1: Once they get to New Orleans, it's like almost of them,

1174
01:05:45,160 --> 01:05:48,600
Speaker 1: like they just go straight there. That's true, but still

1175
01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:52,400
Speaker 1: passes and so yeah for that. Now, let's right to

1176
01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:55,280
Speaker 1: the movie. On our nipple scale zero to five nipples

1177
01:05:55,320 --> 01:05:59,200
Speaker 1: based on its portrayal of women. Um, I'm gonna give

1178
01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:03,520
Speaker 1: it like a four and a half. Like we've already discussed,

1179
01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:07,880
Speaker 1: it's just so awesome to see representation of four women

1180
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:10,200
Speaker 1: of color on screen as the main characters. They're driving

1181
01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:13,760
Speaker 1: the story. We know about them, we know about their backstory,

1182
01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:18,640
Speaker 1: we see strong female friendships. Yeah, it's just really fun

1183
01:06:18,680 --> 01:06:23,120
Speaker 1: to watch, and especially I love women in comedy seeing

1184
01:06:23,160 --> 01:06:26,240
Speaker 1: women be funny on screen. A lot of times, if

1185
01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:28,440
Speaker 1: there is a comedy movie and there is a female

1186
01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:30,320
Speaker 1: character in it, she doesn't really get any of the

1187
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:33,320
Speaker 1: jokes or it's funny when she gets hit in the

1188
01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:36,400
Speaker 1: face with a ball, and that's like the only comedy

1189
01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:39,400
Speaker 1: that she gets to do on screen. Um, so one

1190
01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:44,000
Speaker 1: of my favorite She's stupid or she's mean y Also, yeah,

1191
01:06:44,040 --> 01:06:45,600
Speaker 1: can I just say that the reason why does it

1192
01:06:45,640 --> 01:06:47,360
Speaker 1: get a perfect score is I feel like a lot

1193
01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:50,920
Speaker 1: of too much emphasis was placed on men and the

1194
01:06:50,920 --> 01:06:53,280
Speaker 1: conflict around men and oh we have to get a dick,

1195
01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:55,040
Speaker 1: and oh you need to get laid by a man

1196
01:06:55,200 --> 01:06:57,360
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. So that's why it doesn't get

1197
01:06:57,360 --> 01:06:59,080
Speaker 1: like a perfect time. I'm just giving it a pass

1198
01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:01,400
Speaker 1: because I'm black and it's a black movie, you know

1199
01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:03,439
Speaker 1: what I mean? And please God, in ten years, please

1200
01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:08,960
Speaker 1: let me be in a movie like this. Maybe next year. Yeah,

1201
01:07:09,040 --> 01:07:13,520
Speaker 1: I need new teeth, so yeah, please So yeah, give

1202
01:07:13,560 --> 01:07:15,680
Speaker 1: me your nipples too. Yeah, I'm gonna four and a

1203
01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:19,000
Speaker 1: half and I'm going to each each of the four

1204
01:07:19,120 --> 01:07:22,280
Speaker 1: gals gets one and then my half nipple. I'm gonna

1205
01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:26,040
Speaker 1: give it to Julian because he was a nice boy

1206
01:07:26,200 --> 01:07:30,320
Speaker 1: and he's cute. I know, honestly, I could have done

1207
01:07:30,360 --> 01:07:32,760
Speaker 1: without him. But yeah, why do you have a mohawk?

1208
01:07:33,080 --> 01:07:38,320
Speaker 1: Why did he have a mohawk and fixed spacers? Come on, dude,

1209
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:42,720
Speaker 1: get your look together. Shout out to Neoum who also

1210
01:07:42,800 --> 01:07:45,600
Speaker 1: made Tero. He's in anything where there's like an artist

1211
01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:49,400
Speaker 1: playing live, Neo is that artist and whatever he's always

1212
01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:51,919
Speaker 1: cast a butt um. Someone make an eye of dB

1213
01:07:52,120 --> 01:07:59,440
Speaker 1: for Neo's cameo records. There's got to be minimum. Well.

1214
01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:02,880
Speaker 1: First of all, all this movie for me would get

1215
01:08:03,440 --> 01:08:11,040
Speaker 1: five large chocolate ariolas the size of your face. Shout

1216
01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:15,200
Speaker 1: out to it for featuring black women, diversity in size,

1217
01:08:15,360 --> 01:08:20,520
Speaker 1: diversity in shape and hair textures, lots of lovely wigs.

1218
01:08:21,240 --> 01:08:25,160
Speaker 1: I want to give them to Regina Hall's lace front,

1219
01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:26,840
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I just want to like

1220
01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:29,599
Speaker 1: shout out that her pretending to wrap it up at nine.

1221
01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:31,040
Speaker 1: I was like, bitch, just take it off and put

1222
01:08:31,080 --> 01:08:34,040
Speaker 1: on the stand. Why are you? Who are you kidding? Um?

1223
01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:36,400
Speaker 1: But no, actually I take it back. Four go to

1224
01:08:36,479 --> 01:08:40,719
Speaker 1: her lace front, and one goes to Neo just because

1225
01:08:41,120 --> 01:08:43,240
Speaker 1: you know he was there. We can't forget that he

1226
01:08:43,280 --> 01:08:46,920
Speaker 1: was in this movie. Neo is super punctual for some reason.

1227
01:08:48,200 --> 01:08:50,120
Speaker 1: He does so much. I'm like, he's got to be

1228
01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:53,920
Speaker 1: like so great to work with. He's in everything when

1229
01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:55,680
Speaker 1: I see him. If I saw him without his hat on,

1230
01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:57,320
Speaker 1: I would have no idea what he looks like, you

1231
01:08:57,360 --> 01:08:58,600
Speaker 1: know what I mean, he always has that hat and

1232
01:08:59,040 --> 01:09:02,840
Speaker 1: that's the only reason. No, it's Neo his signature. Look,

1233
01:09:03,160 --> 01:09:05,479
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give it four and a half as well

1234
01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:09,120
Speaker 1: for all the reasons that we stated. It's like just

1235
01:09:09,160 --> 01:09:11,800
Speaker 1: such a wonderful thing that this movie is in the world,

1236
01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:16,960
Speaker 1: and that we see women of color also mostly over

1237
01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:20,640
Speaker 1: forty which it's like amazing, and the fact that it

1238
01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:23,280
Speaker 1: did so well and so many people come to see it. Also,

1239
01:09:23,320 --> 01:09:26,040
Speaker 1: a lot of the background is all people of color.

1240
01:09:26,439 --> 01:09:28,599
Speaker 1: A ton of movies will have maybe a few people

1241
01:09:28,600 --> 01:09:31,080
Speaker 1: of color main characters, but then everyone else in crowd

1242
01:09:31,120 --> 01:09:33,800
Speaker 1: scenes or whatever. Yeah, they're crazy version in New York

1243
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:35,920
Speaker 1: City that's all white that we see in movies all

1244
01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:40,639
Speaker 1: the time. Everything everything awful. Yes, So this movie is wonderful.

1245
01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:43,599
Speaker 1: My only gripe with it would be that there was

1246
01:09:43,760 --> 01:09:47,280
Speaker 1: good opportunities to put in queer characters that I felt

1247
01:09:47,320 --> 01:09:50,280
Speaker 1: it was kind of a missed opportunity, especially because hello,

1248
01:09:50,600 --> 01:09:54,880
Speaker 1: Queen Lantifa is literally right here. Uh So that that

1249
01:09:54,960 --> 01:09:57,400
Speaker 1: was like the one thing that bugged me a little bit,

1250
01:09:57,640 --> 01:10:00,720
Speaker 1: and I could do without Julian. But other than that,

1251
01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:04,920
Speaker 1: it's it's genuinely a really fun movie to watch, which

1252
01:10:05,200 --> 01:10:07,920
Speaker 1: movies with this setup are not always fun to watch.

1253
01:10:08,520 --> 01:10:11,639
Speaker 1: And it's like, unlike any movie I've ever seen before.

1254
01:10:12,400 --> 01:10:16,080
Speaker 1: I'm getting one of I'm getting each lady one nip,

1255
01:10:16,080 --> 01:10:17,840
Speaker 1: and then I'm gonna give my other half nip to

1256
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:22,040
Speaker 1: this amount because I wish, because she deserved more. Yeah,

1257
01:10:22,439 --> 01:10:28,400
Speaker 1: and then she has to go and have Stewart's kids sucks. Yeah. Well, anyways,

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Speaker 1: do you think they'll end up together? I kind of

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Speaker 1: get the feeling that they might. Anyways, that could just

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Speaker 1: be me projecting. Maybe we'll find out in Girls Trip

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Speaker 1: to I know, probably starring Dulcie Sloan. Please, I'm calling

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Speaker 1: that into the universe for usas Oh you love that.

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Speaker 1: I love Madison. Thank you so much for being here.

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Speaker 1: It's been so much fun. Thank you so much. Where

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Speaker 1: can people find and follow you online? Y'all? Okay, So,

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Speaker 1: first of all, I sometimes update my website. Um, and

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Speaker 1: I paid twenty dollars a month before it, so visited

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Speaker 1: squarespace promo code my pussy here. Um No, it's uh.

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Speaker 1: You can find dates and info about me at the

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Speaker 1: Madison Sheppard dot com. You can follow me on Twitter

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Speaker 1: at Madison Shepherd and on Instagram. I'm very good at

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Speaker 1: Instagram stories. I love and shouting them out for myself.

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Speaker 1: If I don't mind to toot my own horn please

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Speaker 1: at Madison Underscore Shepherd because I was too old and

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Speaker 1: got into Instagram. Anyways, it's a whole thing. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: find me there, you all, yes, do that? Find us

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Speaker 1: the becktel Cast on Twitter, Instagram, our website bectel cast

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Speaker 1: dot com. You never hear dot com. It is dot

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Speaker 1: I'm actually You can also go to patreon dot com

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Speaker 1: there and I yeah, that's it, uh I