WEBVTT - The Clancy Prosecution Witness Commits A MORTAL SIN! 0:00:09.119 --> 0:00:19.430 All right, my friends, welcome to Hot Mics with Billy Bush. 0:00:19.550 --> 0:00:23.889 Please hit subscribe. Here we go. What a busy morning. 0:00:23.910 --> 0:00:27.090 A lot of activity. Oh my God, is Big Red 0:00:27.270 --> 0:00:31.090 on fire. I love Kevin Reddington, I've made no secret 0:00:31.130 --> 0:00:37.339 of that. He is cross-examining Dr. Kirk Heilbrunn. And geez, 0:00:37.600 --> 0:00:42.100 I mean, it's just, it's just a, it's an annihilation. It's, uh, 0:00:43.820 --> 0:00:49.010 I think also the assistant DAs who are prosecuting this, uh, 0:00:49.650 --> 0:00:53.310 Shannon Buckingham and Jennifer Sprague, I think they're intimidated by him. 0:00:54.150 --> 0:00:57.730 I think, I think they're scared of Kevin Reddington. Uh, 0:00:58.460 --> 0:01:01.860 He's getting a little bit more cantankerous, but he has 0:01:01.900 --> 0:01:06.569 a reputation in the Boston area. He's well known. So 0:01:06.950 --> 0:01:10.170 for them, they're kind of, you know, probably impressed that 0:01:10.190 --> 0:01:13.890 they're sharing a courtroom with Kevin Reddington. And he looks fantastic. 0:01:13.930 --> 0:01:16.110 He's got the tan suit on this morning. I think 0:01:16.150 --> 0:01:19.670 he's struggling a little bit with the charm. He's kind 0:01:19.690 --> 0:01:22.690 of running a little thin, especially with Dr. Heilberg, who's 0:01:22.750 --> 0:01:27.240 annoying him to death. Anyway, here's Reddington getting furious. 0:01:27.630 --> 0:01:27.869 Yes. 0:01:28.150 --> 0:01:29.509 It was also counseling. 0:01:29.550 --> 0:01:34.730 She went to counseling through Latasha Dukes. Miss Jawada was 0:01:34.790 --> 0:01:35.990 still treating her, correct? 0:01:36.730 --> 0:01:39.690 The counseling was limited, but yes, that is correct. She 0:01:39.730 --> 0:01:41.020 was involved in some counseling. 0:01:41.160 --> 0:01:42.090 So it was limited? 0:01:42.170 --> 0:01:45.060 Is that a bad thing? 0:01:45.080 --> 0:01:47.540 Did this woman not want to go to anybody. 0:01:47.180 --> 0:01:48.060 That would help her, sir? 0:01:48.080 --> 0:01:49.600 Are you trying to tell the jury that she was 0:01:49.660 --> 0:01:50.320 avoiding help? 0:01:50.760 --> 0:01:51.280 Sustained. 0:01:51.360 --> 0:01:52.520 Next question. 0:01:52.580 --> 0:01:53.400 So it was limited? 0:01:53.440 --> 0:01:55.820 How is it limited? Huh. 0:01:56.370 --> 0:01:59.520 He's just had enough of this guy. He's hard charging. 0:01:59.560 --> 0:02:01.600 You see him coming at the, he's coming, he like 0:02:01.640 --> 0:02:04.880 walks at the witness like a bull mastiff. He's just 0:02:04.900 --> 0:02:08.480 getting a little, he's getting, he's getting tired of it. 0:02:10.860 --> 0:02:17.210 He was moved to evoke emotion from the jury. He 0:02:17.270 --> 0:02:22.389 tried to touch their heartstrings, describing Lindsay Clancy as a 0:02:22.430 --> 0:02:26.090 very good mother. And by the way, her whole family 0:02:26.700 --> 0:02:29.359 You know, her mother, her father, of course, her sister, 0:02:29.960 --> 0:02:34.810 but her in-laws, her husband had to admit it. You know, 0:02:35.000 --> 0:02:40.870 her mother-in-law, Sue Clancy, she admitted it. She's nothing but 0:02:40.910 --> 0:02:45.190 a great mother. Hopefully, shortly, we'll be joined by Brian 0:02:45.230 --> 0:02:49.889 Enten of News Nation. He's been in the courtroom all 0:02:49.910 --> 0:02:53.139 morning long. He's got some hits to do, but he's 0:02:53.540 --> 0:02:55.610 on the scene. We hope that he joins us. I 0:02:55.630 --> 0:02:57.630 want to know what's going on in the jury's faces. 0:02:58.750 --> 0:03:01.250 I want to know how many women there are compared 0:03:01.310 --> 0:03:04.660 to men. I haven't heard that reported yet. And how 0:03:04.740 --> 0:03:06.840 are they reacting? Because he's got to be watching them. 0:03:07.960 --> 0:03:11.000 The one trial I attended in the last few years 0:03:11.100 --> 0:03:15.720 is the, remember the Gwyneth Paltrow skiing trial in Deer Valley, 0:03:15.960 --> 0:03:21.980 Park City, Utah? I remember, you just got to watch 0:03:22.020 --> 0:03:25.620 how the how the jury responds, how the judge, you know, 0:03:25.650 --> 0:03:33.910 what's on his face. Anyway, what I saw yesterday is 0:03:34.050 --> 0:03:42.650 prosecutorial self-sabotage. Dr. Kirk Heilbrunn, who is, you know, he's 0:03:42.690 --> 0:03:49.560 the witness testifying after Dr. Abram Mack, who was awful. 0:03:50.010 --> 0:03:51.910 So anyway, you could put a monkey up on that 0:03:51.990 --> 0:03:54.160 stand and he would do better than Abram Mack. That 0:03:54.180 --> 0:03:59.800 guy dropped the bar all the way down. But yesterday, Dr. 0:03:59.820 --> 0:04:03.240 Heilbrunn really shit the bed in the end. A bad 0:04:03.580 --> 0:04:09.310 note to end on before facing Shreddington. That's for sure. 0:04:10.930 --> 0:04:16.330 The first impression I got of Kirk Heilbrunn was a 0:04:16.390 --> 0:04:18.849 good one. I thought he was like actually a very 0:04:19.010 --> 0:04:22.960 good witness. He was testifying well. He was exactly what 0:04:22.980 --> 0:04:26.000 they needed after Mack. He came off as credible. Some 0:04:26.040 --> 0:04:27.960 of the points that he made that were pretty good. 0:04:28.080 --> 0:04:34.520 Lindsay's stories about the voice that she heard were inconsistent 0:04:34.660 --> 0:04:38.300 over time and that it was more consistent with an 0:04:38.760 --> 0:04:42.600 unwelcome intrusive thought that she'd been experiencing for months than 0:04:42.640 --> 0:04:47.830 an actual command hallucination. He said she decided in early 0:04:47.830 --> 0:04:51.370 2023 to attempt suicide and take her children with her 0:04:51.830 --> 0:04:56.630 because she was convinced they would suffer without her. And 0:04:56.850 --> 0:05:01.219 he called that altruistic filicide. He noted she didn't ever 0:05:01.300 --> 0:05:05.640 like to leave her kids, not even for work, school, 0:05:06.100 --> 0:05:10.100 or date night. Now, this morning, Kevin Reddington just attacked 0:05:10.140 --> 0:05:13.520 him for that. But his second point was that Lindsay 0:05:13.560 --> 0:05:19.630 did not report any attempts to mitigate the voice. He 0:05:19.730 --> 0:05:25.810 also pointed out that having the auditory hallucination for only 0:05:25.810 --> 0:05:31.320 18 minutes and never before and never after is extremely rare. 0:05:33.300 --> 0:05:39.620 He said, Lindsay Clancy laying on the lawn after having 0:05:39.680 --> 0:05:42.280 jumped out the window and the first thing she told 0:05:42.360 --> 0:05:46.860 her then-husband Patrick was that, she tried to kill herself. 0:05:48.460 --> 0:05:50.470 Not something like, I did what I had to do. 0:05:51.170 --> 0:05:54.930 I did what the voice said, which he pointed out 0:05:54.970 --> 0:06:00.190 would be more consistent with someone who genuinely experienced command hallucination. 0:06:01.750 --> 0:06:08.940 So his final point was, Dr. Kirk Halbrunn offered a 0:06:09.300 --> 0:06:14.930 different motive supporting the prosecution's theory that Lindsay Clancy had 0:06:14.990 --> 0:06:21.610 intrusive thoughts about suicide for months. And then ultimately she 0:06:21.670 --> 0:06:27.510 decided to take the kids with her. So he really 0:06:27.589 --> 0:06:31.049 screwed him. This was a good testimony for quite a 0:06:31.110 --> 0:06:35.690 while until the end when he made the cardinal mistake. 0:06:36.270 --> 0:06:40.500 He screwed himself again. And we'll call this mortal sin 0:06:40.500 --> 0:06:45.119 2.0 because, you know, This is the second time it's happened, 0:06:45.279 --> 0:06:50.210 and that the prosecution let it happen is another self-inflicted wound. 0:06:50.690 --> 0:06:53.390 Isn't suicide a mortal sin? 0:06:53.410 --> 0:06:55.910 Yeah, can I. 0:06:55.850 --> 0:06:56.550 See counsel over here? 0:06:58.230 --> 0:07:01.690 Yeah, so that really sort of pissed off the judge. 0:07:02.380 --> 0:07:04.600 He wasn't having it. He said, let me see counsel 0:07:04.660 --> 0:07:09.260 over here. Here you go again. You know, you're invoking 0:07:09.360 --> 0:07:14.310 something that in a... area of the country, South Boston, 0:07:14.970 --> 0:07:20.510 that's 40% Irish Catholic. I mean, you can't weaponize somebody's 0:07:20.630 --> 0:07:23.890 faith against them in a courtroom like that. You're heading towards, 0:07:23.990 --> 0:07:27.700 you know, mistrial. And of course, as we're going to see, 0:07:27.760 --> 0:07:31.600 Reddington jumped all over it. But here's the judge admonishing 0:07:32.160 --> 0:07:34.240 this guy in front of the jury before he let 0:07:34.280 --> 0:07:37.860 them go. He indicated that was part of her expectation, 0:07:37.920 --> 0:07:40.240 that she and the children would be together in heaven 0:07:40.300 --> 0:07:40.740 with God. 0:07:40.760 --> 0:07:41.860 All right. 0:07:42.910 --> 0:07:45.290 Now we're getting a little closer. 0:07:44.790 --> 0:07:46.030 To problematic area. 0:07:46.910 --> 0:07:52.000 Then he testified she was raised as a Catholic. And 0:07:52.080 --> 0:07:56.820 as I understand Catholic considerations, that's not necessarily what happens. 0:07:59.480 --> 0:08:03.890 How is any of that proper at this point? I 0:08:03.970 --> 0:08:08.330 have to move for mistrial reluctantly. The reason is that 0:08:08.390 --> 0:08:11.230 this is intentional misconduct on the part of the prosecution. 0:08:12.860 --> 0:08:16.360 Yeah, intentional misconduct on the part of the prosecution. Big 0:08:16.440 --> 0:08:22.280 Red jumped all over that. The judge said no mistrial 0:08:22.400 --> 0:08:24.700 at this point. We're not going to do it. But boy, 0:08:24.980 --> 0:08:26.820 is he close. 0:08:27.590 --> 0:08:27.830 Yeah. 0:08:29.530 --> 0:08:33.910 Question is, will he declare a mistrial in the end? 0:08:34.030 --> 0:08:36.850 Like I said, 40% of the jury is probably Irish 0:08:36.890 --> 0:08:42.469 Catholic because 40% of the area is this area. If 0:08:42.530 --> 0:08:46.730 it doesn't become a mistrial in the end, and this 0:08:46.850 --> 0:08:51.729 judge is definitely, you know, his temper is thin at 0:08:51.790 --> 0:08:57.270 this point, it sets Lindsay up for an appeal with 0:08:57.309 --> 0:09:02.580 the Supreme Court. So, I mean, the prosecution's all but 0:09:02.660 --> 0:09:10.200 killed themselves with this. So, you know, Big Red has been... 0:09:11.570 --> 0:09:22.240 He's been all over this from the very beginning. It's 0:09:22.290 --> 0:09:30.699 astounding to me that this prosecution has so many self-inflicted wounds. 0:09:31.840 --> 0:09:33.979 I mean, they have shot themselves in the foot twice. 0:09:34.020 --> 0:09:38.900 You mean after the first mortal sin moment, which completely backfired. 0:09:39.340 --> 0:09:42.120 The fact that they've got this prosecution witness, the best 0:09:42.179 --> 0:09:46.700 thing they've had in the trial, coming off a terrible 0:09:46.740 --> 0:09:49.719 witness in Dr. Mack. The fact that he does it 0:09:49.780 --> 0:09:58.309 again is unbelievable. How does that happen? Anyway, morning, everybody. 0:09:58.350 --> 0:10:01.200 Let's take a look at, here's Jack. jackie says both 0:10:01.260 --> 0:10:03.460 she and the husband creep me out she's probably the 0:10:03.520 --> 0:10:07.780 boss him the pleaser imbalance of masculine feminine energy there's 0:10:07.850 --> 0:10:10.469 a chasm of disconnect between the way that all this 0:10:11.010 --> 0:10:14.490 just vibes that i get jesus that's a hell of 0:10:14.530 --> 0:10:18.780 an analysis right there um Jackie, again, brings back the 0:10:18.820 --> 0:10:22.090 killing of Andrea Yates, Susan Smith and many more in 0:10:22.120 --> 0:10:30.130 the news. Yeah, it's it's unbelievable. We have a very 0:10:30.270 --> 0:10:34.109 interesting guest. You know, you see all those women in 0:10:34.130 --> 0:10:37.150 the pink shirts that are out there and they're supporting, 0:10:38.550 --> 0:10:41.560 you know. They have their detractors, but it's a pretty 0:10:41.580 --> 0:10:44.699 it came together pretty quickly. And the woman who put 0:10:44.740 --> 0:10:48.100 it all together, Renee Kimball, she's a woman who lives 0:10:48.160 --> 0:10:52.240 in Maine anyway, got a hold of her. And we 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:55.510 talked a little bit about how she how she sort 0:10:55.550 --> 0:10:59.069 of put together what's called Lindsay's Army of Love. Here 0:10:59.090 --> 0:11:04.920 you go. Well, last Thursday, outside of the Plymouth County Courthouse, 0:11:05.100 --> 0:11:08.980 a large group of women gathered clad in pink. We've 0:11:09.040 --> 0:11:14.239 seen them before for Karen Reid. Many could be many 0:11:14.280 --> 0:11:15.840 the same. I don't know. But they were there to 0:11:15.900 --> 0:11:20.230 support Lindsay, who hasn't had a lot of support, didn't 0:11:20.260 --> 0:11:23.309 have enough support leading up to the moment that's landed. 0:11:23.030 --> 0:11:23.550 Us in court. 0:11:24.210 --> 0:11:28.460 It's called Lindsay's Army of Love Day. And they gathered 0:11:28.520 --> 0:11:31.559 not to minimize the deaths of the children, of course not, 0:11:31.640 --> 0:11:35.720 but to bring awareness to the realities of postpartum psychosis 0:11:36.320 --> 0:11:41.810 and demand changes in maternal mental health. The woman who 0:11:41.830 --> 0:11:46.370 put it all together is Renee Kimball, and she's right here. Renee, 0:11:47.110 --> 0:11:49.870 thanks for being with us. How are you today? I'm good. 0:11:49.910 --> 0:11:50.850 Thank you for having me. 0:11:51.470 --> 0:11:55.130 Awesome. How did you... When did you do, how did 0:11:55.170 --> 0:11:56.880 you do this? Is this all Facebook? 0:11:57.980 --> 0:12:00.939 Actually, it was all TikTok on my end. I think 0:12:00.980 --> 0:12:03.179 it made it to TikTok. I mean, to Facebook and 0:12:03.240 --> 0:12:07.439 Instagram from other people sharing it, but I started it 0:12:07.540 --> 0:12:08.160 on TikTok. 0:12:08.720 --> 0:12:10.080 What was the first thing you said? 0:12:10.100 --> 0:12:14.380 I just said that we all need to come together 0:12:14.400 --> 0:12:20.480 in support of Lindsay being failed by the mental health system. 0:12:22.470 --> 0:12:25.110 What made you? What prompted you to do that? I mean, 0:12:25.170 --> 0:12:27.590 this is sort of an emotional and very, you know, 0:12:27.730 --> 0:12:31.780 heartfelt bit of outreach there. But what prompted you to 0:12:31.920 --> 0:12:33.280 actually hop on and do it? 0:12:34.080 --> 0:12:36.199 Yeah, I think we all remember the moment in court 0:12:36.260 --> 0:12:41.059 that Lindsay was in shambles from listening to the prosecution 0:12:41.080 --> 0:12:45.689 go over reports of in testimony of her children's autopsy. 0:12:46.170 --> 0:12:49.950 And that just stuck with me. If everyone's watching the 0:12:50.000 --> 0:12:52.350 same trial I am, we are watching a woman who 0:12:52.410 --> 0:12:54.929 is grieving harder for her children than any of us 0:12:55.010 --> 0:12:56.030 across the world are. 0:12:57.950 --> 0:13:00.510 What do you think about the people who are like, no, 0:13:00.550 --> 0:13:04.170 it's zero tolerance. This woman killed her kids. We cannot 0:13:04.890 --> 0:13:09.110 parcel out, you know, different situations and something as brutal 0:13:09.170 --> 0:13:15.200 as that. There's no room for nuance. Do you understand 0:13:15.260 --> 0:13:19.350 that and just disagree or... Does that sicken you? 0:13:20.929 --> 0:13:25.500 Yeah, it's been interesting to hear the comments and watch 0:13:25.540 --> 0:13:30.480 the controversy. As a Christian, there is no tolerance for murder. 0:13:30.980 --> 0:13:33.220 I want to be very clear that the women that 0:13:33.300 --> 0:13:36.680 stood at the courthouse, my group of 400 women clad 0:13:36.740 --> 0:13:42.620 in pink, were not there supporting murder. Were there, I think, 0:13:43.179 --> 0:13:47.120 if conversation could happen, there is common ground and that 0:13:47.220 --> 0:13:51.800 is that we want less tragedy in the future and 0:13:51.940 --> 0:13:55.319 avoiding the fact that there's a severe mental health crisis 0:13:56.200 --> 0:13:58.859 in America and what seems to be across the world 0:13:58.920 --> 0:14:02.400 given the support that we've had is not going to 0:14:02.460 --> 0:14:07.320 help anything in the future. A lot of mass and 0:14:07.360 --> 0:14:10.990 domestic tragedy could have and could be prevented in the 0:14:11.040 --> 0:14:14.610 future if systemic changes can happen from the top down. 0:14:16.070 --> 0:14:19.630 The 400 of us plus standing there may not be 0:14:19.670 --> 0:14:23.430 enough to reach the top. But if nobody does nothing, 0:14:23.450 --> 0:14:25.370 then things will just stay the same. 0:14:26.770 --> 0:14:29.290 What do you look at all those women out there? 0:14:29.360 --> 0:14:31.720 And there's one live streaming as you as we look 0:14:31.750 --> 0:14:33.980 at that picture. And then there's the you know, this 0:14:34.040 --> 0:14:37.640 picture of women holding hands in a circle here, you know, 0:14:37.640 --> 0:14:42.440 400 plus pretty impressive. Pretty miraculous. Did you have any 0:14:42.520 --> 0:14:45.580 idea that many would show up when you first made 0:14:45.640 --> 0:14:46.640 a post on TikTok? 0:14:47.570 --> 0:14:49.590 Not when I first made the post, but it became 0:14:49.630 --> 0:14:53.190 pretty evident over the next several days that we were 0:14:53.210 --> 0:14:56.650 going to have a large crowd and that the message 0:14:57.190 --> 0:15:00.510 from every single one of them was in regards to 0:15:00.890 --> 0:15:03.730 mental health reform. We did not go there and talk 0:15:03.790 --> 0:15:06.850 about conspiracies. We did not go there and talk about 0:15:06.870 --> 0:15:13.090 trending videos on TikTok. We went there for one reason, 0:15:13.130 --> 0:15:16.610 and it was to support Lindsay in the fact that 0:15:16.670 --> 0:15:22.190 she was failed miserably by the systems that she went 0:15:22.230 --> 0:15:24.430 to for help to prevent her from getting to where 0:15:24.490 --> 0:15:27.670 she's sitting now and to prevent the loss of her children. 0:15:28.760 --> 0:15:30.900 Yeah, you don't get any argument on that from me. 0:15:31.940 --> 0:15:36.030 I have been outspoken on that. The psychiatric field is 0:15:36.250 --> 0:15:38.130 and I've had a lot of experience with it as 0:15:38.170 --> 0:15:41.760 a patient and as the father of a patient. You know, 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:47.480 it's become a prescription writer's racket to me. I don't understand. 0:15:47.520 --> 0:15:50.960 And telehealth, you know, through COVID hasn't helped very much either. 0:15:51.500 --> 0:15:54.640 But they used to sit down and psychoanalyze and now 0:15:54.680 --> 0:16:00.830 they mostly write prescriptions, you know. We are over-drugging America. 0:16:01.330 --> 0:16:05.130 There's a drug for every possible ailment we could have. 0:16:05.740 --> 0:16:09.400 And what this woman needed was attention. She needed relief. 0:16:09.600 --> 0:16:11.820 She needed someone to take her away and let her, 0:16:11.940 --> 0:16:15.400 you know, she needed support. She didn't get it. I 0:16:15.480 --> 0:16:20.580 do think it's a referendum is in order on psychiatry 0:16:20.620 --> 0:16:25.420 in this country and the system, the whole system that 0:16:25.460 --> 0:16:27.340 failed her. You are correct in that. 0:16:27.860 --> 0:16:28.340 No question. 0:16:28.920 --> 0:16:32.460 Will you see those women out there? That's will you 0:16:32.500 --> 0:16:36.420 made your point last Thursday? Will and Kevin Reddington, her lawyer, 0:16:36.470 --> 0:16:39.130 walked in and said, wow, this is going to help her. 0:16:39.190 --> 0:16:42.530 She's a she's miserable. She's a broken human being every day. 0:16:42.650 --> 0:16:45.510 This is going to help her. The car, the truck 0:16:45.590 --> 0:16:48.090 or the whatever you call it, the SUV that carries 0:16:48.130 --> 0:16:51.830 her in every day. No doubt she saw all of 0:16:51.870 --> 0:16:55.030 you out there. And that's probably the first bit of 0:16:55.110 --> 0:16:58.530 support she's felt in a long time. Do you have 0:16:58.650 --> 0:17:04.350 plans to return when closing arguments occur or, you know, 0:17:04.369 --> 0:17:05.570 because we're almost at the end here? 0:17:06.609 --> 0:17:09.669 Yeah, I've been asked that a lot. My heart is 0:17:09.770 --> 0:17:12.310 at that courthouse. I would love to be there every 0:17:12.350 --> 0:17:15.910 day right now. I am from Maine. And I have 0:17:16.619 --> 0:17:18.679 obviously been dealing with quite a bit of media, which 0:17:18.740 --> 0:17:21.020 I didn't expect. But I do think it is important 0:17:21.119 --> 0:17:22.820 to make sure that our message gets out there and 0:17:22.840 --> 0:17:25.540 it gets out there right, that it's not being portrayed 0:17:25.600 --> 0:17:28.780 as something it's not. I would love to go back 0:17:28.800 --> 0:17:32.900 to the courthouse next week. I assume closing arguments aren't 0:17:32.920 --> 0:17:36.379 going to happen today, maybe not even tomorrow with the 0:17:36.420 --> 0:17:38.260 way that the trial is going. So I think we 0:17:38.300 --> 0:17:40.719 have some time to get out there still. I would 0:17:40.760 --> 0:17:43.220 love to make a point to get out there and just, 0:17:43.510 --> 0:17:46.510 you know, stand, have the same stand I had before. 0:17:46.530 --> 0:17:48.750 I do know there's a crowd out there today that 0:17:48.869 --> 0:17:52.510 is supporting justice for the children. And I don't think 0:17:52.570 --> 0:17:55.609 that they're too far off from, you know, what we 0:17:55.650 --> 0:17:58.419 were standing for. This is for the children. This is 0:17:58.460 --> 0:18:00.680 the best way to honor three children that lost their 0:18:00.700 --> 0:18:04.120 lives is to bring awareness to the one thing that 0:18:04.180 --> 0:18:08.040 led to it. So I'm happy they're there. But Lindsay 0:18:08.140 --> 0:18:10.590 also suffered and was a victim of this as well. 0:18:13.010 --> 0:18:16.470 Renee Kimball put it all together from Augusta, Maine. I 0:18:16.510 --> 0:18:18.490 love it. Up there by where I went to college, 0:18:18.570 --> 0:18:22.250 Colby College, not far from Augusta. 92 Moose was my 0:18:22.290 --> 0:18:24.050 radio station up there. 92 Moose. 0:18:24.070 --> 0:18:24.729 The Moose. 0:18:24.970 --> 0:18:25.070 Yes. 0:18:26.300 --> 0:18:29.760 In Augusta. That's right. And don't forget Tom O and 0:18:29.780 --> 0:18:34.859 the Mountain Morning Show. I interned for Tom O and Mr. 0:18:34.920 --> 0:18:38.679 Mike on the Mountain Morning Show, 105 TOS, the Mountain 0:18:38.700 --> 0:18:41.800 of Pure Rock and Roll. And there, they let me 0:18:41.840 --> 0:18:43.600 do a couple of radio shifts and I was under 0:18:43.619 --> 0:18:46.680 the name Willie Hall because my real name is William 0:18:46.780 --> 0:18:49.280 Hall Bush. And I thought that'd be cool to have 0:18:49.320 --> 0:18:53.899 like a radio name. But anyway, I love Maine. I 0:18:53.940 --> 0:18:56.820 hope to see you out there again at the big finish. 0:18:56.840 --> 0:18:59.600 But Renee Kimball put all the... It makes me think this, folks. 0:19:00.680 --> 0:19:06.520 You know, TikTok and social media just magnifies the good, 0:19:06.560 --> 0:19:10.080 the bad, and the ugly in society. Sometimes it's the ugly, 0:19:10.160 --> 0:19:12.379 but sometimes it's the good. And here's a woman who 0:19:12.420 --> 0:19:14.830 reached out from her heart and put together a movement 0:19:14.850 --> 0:19:17.410 that just came together like that. And that doesn't happen 0:19:17.450 --> 0:19:21.270 without social media. Thank you so much, Renee. Good to 0:19:21.310 --> 0:19:21.790 talk to you. 0:19:22.250 --> 0:19:22.629 Thank you. 0:19:22.650 --> 0:19:23.510 Thank you for having me. 0:19:24.170 --> 0:19:24.750 You're the best. 0:19:25.430 --> 0:19:29.680 All right. There you go. There's something good that's happened 0:19:29.720 --> 0:19:32.619 out of the Lindsay Clancy trial right there. Something really, really, 0:19:33.180 --> 0:19:36.639 really positive in my view. So thanks for listening to 0:19:36.680 --> 0:19:40.440 Hot Mics today, folks. Make sure you hit subscribe. OK, 0:19:40.580 --> 0:19:43.010 we want you part of the family. And that's it 0:19:43.030 --> 0:19:53.140 for us. It's astounding. It's really. it's an amazing thing. 0:19:53.200 --> 0:19:55.600 The woman comes down from Augusta, Georgia, and she puts, 0:19:55.619 --> 0:19:57.640 I mean, excuse me, Augusta, Maine, and she puts that 0:19:57.680 --> 0:20:03.350 all together. I gotta say it. Pretty cool. I asked 0:20:03.369 --> 0:20:08.090 the question, does anybody think, however, that Lindsay, it seems 0:20:08.230 --> 0:20:15.790 most Most people, or certainly women and myself, you know, 0:20:15.830 --> 0:20:20.150 think that Lindsay should be found not guilty, that she 0:20:20.520 --> 0:20:25.420 lacked criminal responsibility in this case. Does anyone feel otherwise 0:20:26.980 --> 0:20:30.960 for whatever reason? I noticed Ben Shapiro put up a post. 0:20:31.800 --> 0:20:36.939 What precisely are women protesting outside the Lindsay Clancy trial? 0:20:37.460 --> 0:20:42.930 What oppression... Are they opposing? Why are women posting videos 0:20:42.990 --> 0:20:46.659 of themselves on TikTok raging at the world about the 0:20:46.700 --> 0:20:58.429 stresses of motherhood? Very interesting. Linda says, not guilty. Hey, 0:20:58.710 --> 0:21:00.190 me too. Richard is with me. 0:21:01.190 --> 0:21:01.490 Yeah. 0:21:02.090 --> 0:21:05.610 See, Spencer Pratt posted something the other day like this. 0:21:05.650 --> 0:21:11.830 I mean, Ben is orthodox. I don't very conservative viewpoints 0:21:12.640 --> 0:21:21.610 across the board. I have room for something less strict 0:21:22.590 --> 0:21:27.540 because if you find that she is criminally responsible, you 0:21:27.600 --> 0:21:31.380 are also in the same breath, I believe, letting the 0:21:31.740 --> 0:21:37.280 psychiatric field in this country In the medical field that 0:21:37.359 --> 0:21:40.180 covers psychiatry in this country, you're letting them off the hook. 0:21:41.160 --> 0:21:44.669 There's an opportunity for a referendum. There's an opportunity to 0:21:44.810 --> 0:21:47.830 fix something that's broken, to update it. 0:21:48.350 --> 0:21:49.010 They call it. 0:21:48.930 --> 0:21:54.350 DSM-5, which is what? The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of 0:21:54.510 --> 0:21:57.790 Mental Health Disorders. This was written in 1952. It was 0:21:57.830 --> 0:22:07.150 updated in 2013, and they recently... reprinted it with very, 0:22:07.430 --> 0:22:12.450 very few adjustments in 2022 or something, or 23. So, 0:22:12.609 --> 0:22:16.260 I mean, this stuff is really outdated. There's so much 0:22:16.300 --> 0:22:22.600 they don't know. So, I think all together we have 0:22:22.640 --> 0:22:27.100 an opportunity to address mental health in this country in 0:22:27.340 --> 0:22:32.930 a major, major way, an overhaul. And if Lindsay Clancy 0:22:33.880 --> 0:22:36.639 is found guilty, there's just a big fat excuse to 0:22:36.740 --> 0:22:42.119 continue not doing that. So thank you, Ben Shapiro. I 0:22:42.300 --> 0:22:45.580 totally disagree with you. And I think, I don't know 0:22:45.619 --> 0:22:48.979 if his beliefs are so strict that he has no 0:22:49.030 --> 0:22:52.190 room for this. Surprising to me a little bit from 0:22:52.250 --> 0:22:56.210 Spencer Pratt, but you know, I think he's a pretty 0:22:56.330 --> 0:22:59.710 conservative guy too. I do have room, you know, I 0:23:01.070 --> 0:23:05.240 don't demonize people of with a different view, even one 0:23:05.560 --> 0:23:09.619 like this. And we have come a long way. I mean, 0:23:09.640 --> 0:23:11.629 it used to be a man couldn't open his mouth 0:23:11.730 --> 0:23:14.669 on a women's issue like this without getting run out 0:23:14.710 --> 0:23:18.830 of town. But now they're allowed, you know, we're fathers. 0:23:19.350 --> 0:23:21.410 So men are allowed to have an opinion here too. 0:23:22.590 --> 0:23:30.859 But I just don't see, you know, I keep coming 0:23:30.900 --> 0:23:35.350 back to the fact that Lindsay Clancy that every family 0:23:35.390 --> 0:23:38.550 member said she was, and every person she worked with, 0:23:38.690 --> 0:23:43.050 pretty much every person, period, other than Shannon Buckingham and 0:23:43.090 --> 0:23:48.410 Jennifer Sprague, everyone has said she was a really good 0:23:48.590 --> 0:23:52.670 wife and mother. Like, totally committed to her kids. So 0:23:52.710 --> 0:23:57.679 that's where, you know, the problem lies for me. We, 0:23:57.840 --> 0:24:00.820 I think, you know, Kevin Reddington, as we speak, at 0:24:00.820 --> 0:24:06.820 9.44 a.m. Pacific time, after 1244 in the East is 0:24:07.359 --> 0:24:12.679 still rocking away with Kirk Heilbrunn. They're squaring off, and 0:24:12.700 --> 0:24:16.500 I believe there's one more rebuttal witness for the prosecution afterwards. 0:24:16.900 --> 0:24:22.210 So I can't imagine closing arguments. Maybe tomorrow. I thought 0:24:22.230 --> 0:24:26.929 for sure tomorrow. If not, definitely on Thursday. And we 0:24:26.950 --> 0:24:30.350 will be all over it. Linda says, this feels like 0:24:30.390 --> 0:24:34.880 a Me Too moment for mental health. I sure hope so. Well, yeah, 0:24:34.920 --> 0:24:36.619 I mean, think of all the people just in our 0:24:36.720 --> 0:24:40.700 own chat here who've come forward and talked about suffering 0:24:40.720 --> 0:24:45.380 from postpartum depression of some kind. Mary says he ripped 0:24:45.440 --> 0:24:50.910 Captain Kirk apart. He's still doing it. All right, we're 0:24:50.930 --> 0:24:54.330 going to change gears right now. Hayden Panettiere. This is 0:24:54.369 --> 0:24:58.750 a big story because somebody hasn't been held to account. 0:24:59.450 --> 0:25:02.670 And I hope Brian Hickton, on and off a boyfriend 0:25:02.690 --> 0:25:06.369 who is dead, truly a toxic human being, is held 0:25:06.550 --> 0:25:13.290 to account. But yesterday we rolled our interview with Mia Tarazis, 0:25:13.470 --> 0:25:17.190 who is Hayden's next-door neighbor and has been for many, 0:25:17.390 --> 0:25:21.449 many years since she bought the place, so almost 10 years. 0:25:23.230 --> 0:25:25.270 We have a clip. Harry, do we have the clip 0:25:25.310 --> 0:25:33.000 of Mia talking about the parking space and the ring camera. 0:25:33.710 --> 0:25:37.430 I don't know, because it would have arrived very early 0:25:37.510 --> 0:25:40.690 in the morning. So I saw the car there and, 0:25:42.070 --> 0:25:46.070 you know, I walked down to look at her apartment, 0:25:46.390 --> 0:25:50.230 you know, and I heard someone speaking in the apartment. 0:25:50.390 --> 0:25:53.950 And then a couple hours later, I went down, you know, 0:25:53.990 --> 0:25:56.060 to see if I could still hear voices there. And 0:25:56.080 --> 0:26:00.859 I had noticed that their ring camera had been ripped, 0:26:00.960 --> 0:26:03.550 tried to be ripped from the wall or that someone 0:26:03.590 --> 0:26:07.290 had placed a black electrical tape over the speaker and 0:26:07.310 --> 0:26:11.990 the camera. And I don't have any idea what was 0:26:12.030 --> 0:26:13.810 going on. The car's now gone. 0:26:13.830 --> 0:26:17.639 And it wasn't there before. No, no. 0:26:18.020 --> 0:26:21.320 I was just concerned that perhaps someone, you know, was 0:26:21.660 --> 0:26:25.919 going through her things and taking things out of the apartment. 0:26:26.540 --> 0:26:28.760 And by the way, I would always see, they dropped 0:26:28.780 --> 0:26:32.929 the packages, you know, downstairs and, in the lobby and 0:26:32.950 --> 0:26:34.520 we kind of have to go through them and see 0:26:34.560 --> 0:26:37.000