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Speaker 1: Welcome home, y'all. This is episode twenty eight of The
Speaker 1: Native Lampard, and there are one hundred and ten days
Speaker 1: until election Day. I'm just gonna go ahead and not
Speaker 1: bury the lead and say this has been a crazy
Speaker 1: past couple of days, maybe past couple of weeks, maybe
Speaker 1: even the past couple of months, but today's episode won't
Speaker 1: go the way that we normally do it. If you
Speaker 1: were an addict to regimen, I'm gonna upset you now
Speaker 1: and just say that we'll be a bit unscripted unagendaed
Speaker 1: and unregimented because myself, along with my co host Angela
Speaker 1: Raie and Tiffany Cross, decided that we wanted to have
Speaker 1: a more I think, straightforward conversation with each other and
Speaker 1: with you about what's been happening in our country of late.
Speaker 1: I mean, WTF. I was gonna say what it means,
Speaker 1: but I don't want Angela daddy and her godfather and
Speaker 1: my mother my mother in law coming after me, so
Speaker 1: we'll we'll just get into it. I was going to
Speaker 1: do a rundown of all the things that have happened,
Speaker 1: ladies since we last saw each other, but I think
Speaker 1: it'll probably come out through the conversation and just as
Speaker 1: you know, things that felt strange for us. Imagine what
Speaker 1: the regular, you know, run of the mill, just trying
Speaker 1: to get up, go to work, handle your family, your business,
Speaker 1: and at the same time you're trying to make sure
Speaker 1: that you still have a country underneath you. It's been
Speaker 1: rough what's been on y'all's mind lately. First of all,
Speaker 1: welcome home.
Speaker 4: Welcome home. It's hard to even celebrate that. I feel
Speaker 4: so melancholy right now, and Andrew, I thank you for that.
Speaker 4: If we could classify this episode in anything, I would
Speaker 4: say it is a special news report. It is. It is,
Speaker 4: yea one of those moments where you ti you, I
Speaker 4: just see you shaking your hair. What you got No nothing?
Speaker 5: Go ahead, go ahead, No, go for it. No, No,
Speaker 5: I'm listening you.
Speaker 1: I wasn't.
Speaker 5: I didn't mean to interrupt you. Go ahead, I'm listening.
Speaker 4: You know. It's one of those moments where you just
Speaker 4: it's like, it's not business as usual. And I think
Speaker 4: that it's been not business as usual in this country
Speaker 4: for some time, but it literally took something like this
Speaker 4: to happen for folks everywhere to kind of snap out
Speaker 4: of it. I think on this podcast, we've been saying
Speaker 4: that there's an existential threat with the Supreme Court, that
Speaker 4: there's an existential threat with what's happening in the United
Speaker 4: States House of Representatives, with the number of times they
Speaker 4: had to try to elect a speaker. It's been an
Speaker 4: existential threat. With books being banned in school districts throughout
Speaker 4: the country, it's been in exist existential threat. When you
Speaker 4: talk about voting rights being taken out by the Supreme
Speaker 4: Court in twenty thirteen, it has been this way. It
Speaker 4: was with Dobbs. It was with the Affirmative action ruling
Speaker 4: last summer, it was with the guns ruling this summer.
Speaker 4: It has been a threat. It has been a concern.
Speaker 4: We have justices on the Supreme Court who have no
Speaker 4: ethics restrictions about what kinds of gifts they can take take.
Speaker 4: It has been a threat since two thousand, when the
Speaker 4: elector Or College ran away from what the popular vote wanted.
Speaker 4: It was an existential threat when Hillary Clinton won the
Speaker 4: popular vote. This is where we are, and this is
Speaker 4: the alarm that many of us have been sounding for many,
Speaker 4: many years. So people are talking about Project twenty twenty
Speaker 4: five and how it's not even here yet, and how
Speaker 4: we don't have to deal with it yet because there
Speaker 4: are things that are at present. What if I told
Speaker 4: you that Project twenty twenty five was in the works
Speaker 4: in nineteen eighty four, in eighty eight, right like it
Speaker 4: has been here. This is not new to any of us.
Speaker 4: This is something that has been planned and now it
Speaker 4: is finally coming to pass. And I think the most
Speaker 4: scary thing to me is that many of us it
Speaker 4: seems like I don't want to pass judgment on anyone
Speaker 4: watching this or hearing us it seems to me that
Speaker 4: there is no longer a clear line between what is
Speaker 4: real and what is fake. It seems to me that
Speaker 4: people have blurred the lines between reality and reality TV.
Speaker 4: Everything cannot be for our entertainment. This is not about
Speaker 4: how the story ends in the credits role when the
Speaker 4: credits roll, So do we like? We are in the
Speaker 4: political crisis, the biggest one of our lifetimes. We say
Speaker 4: on this pod often it is not just a election
Speaker 4: an election, It is a political war. And I think
Speaker 4: whatever the next decision is before us lands us right there,
Speaker 4: and it is frightening. I deal with a lot of anxiety.
Speaker 4: I've had trouble sleeping, I've had trouble thinking through what
Speaker 4: all of this means. I can tell you what my
Speaker 4: worst fears are. I can tell you what my highest
Speaker 4: hopes are, and the highest hopes are few and far between.
Speaker 4: I am deeply, deeply, deeply concerned about where we are.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I feel you and for those who
Speaker 1: have been under rock. If we just went backwards we
Speaker 1: had yesterday with Eileen Cannon's throwing out two days ago,
Speaker 1: a few days ago, throwing out charges against Trump, we
Speaker 1: are in the middle of the con Republican Convention. We've
Speaker 1: got the assassination attempt from this past weekend, We've got
Speaker 1: the media response to that, and the good people and
Speaker 1: bad people on both sides argument. It's just been crazy.
Speaker 1: Tiff as a as a journalist now opining politically, like,
Speaker 1: how do you sit in this moment right now?
Speaker 5: One, I appreciate how you pose that question because that
Speaker 5: is so often not posed that way, and the media
Speaker 5: just drives me crazy as a journalist who was opining
Speaker 5: this is my opinion, my political opinion. I'm not reporting
Speaker 5: anything here. I'm just disgusted by it. I mean, I
Speaker 5: echo Angelo's frustration, I echo your somber tone, and probably
Speaker 5: you know, most of our listening audiences increasing apathy and
Speaker 5: anger about what's happening in the country. I know I
Speaker 5: had to tune out a lot of the media landscape
Speaker 5: when this, when the political violence happened on Saturday. I
Speaker 5: want to be clear that we still don't know. There
Speaker 5: is conflicting reporting about whether Donald Trump was shot or
Speaker 5: not the shooter who was firing rounds from an AR fifteen.
Speaker 5: Trump says that one of those bullets hit him and
Speaker 5: grazed his ear. Some gun experts say if an AR
Speaker 5: fifteen bullet hit him, it would not They would not
Speaker 5: have grazed his ear. His ear would be gone. There's
Speaker 5: reporting that it was actually shrapnel from the teleprompter that
Speaker 5: actually cut his ear. But what do facts matter anymore
Speaker 5: because the media, the media immediately went to treat him
Speaker 5: with kid gloves, and both sides this idea that there
Speaker 5: is a ramped up tone of violence in both parties,
Speaker 5: which is not true. We have much evidence of Donald
Speaker 5: Trump even encouraging his rally attendees to inflict violence on
Speaker 5: other people. He's offered to pay the legal bills of
Speaker 5: other people. And it's with that swift bullet everything that
Speaker 5: we know about the former president went out the window.
Speaker 5: And what we know is that this is a man
Speaker 5: who is a convicted felon. I don't use that as
Speaker 5: a pejorative. I'm saying those are the fast. This is
Speaker 5: a man who had Kisliak, a senior person in Putin's administration,
Speaker 5: a hostile government to the United States. He had this
Speaker 5: man Kisliak in the Oval Office. While he was in
Speaker 5: the Oval Office, he is pushing ideologies and agenda that
Speaker 5: would benefit Putin. Do youy' all find it suspicious that
Speaker 5: he started ramping up the talk about we don't need
Speaker 5: to be spending all this money in Ukraine, and then
Speaker 5: all of a sudden, Marjorie Taylor Green picked that up,
Speaker 5: and then all of a sudden, all the Republican leaders
Speaker 5: started picking that up. And that would benefit who Vladimir
Speaker 5: putin because big Brother in the United States is sending
Speaker 5: a whole lot of money over there. We don't talk
Speaker 5: about that. We can't draw those logical connections in the media.
Speaker 5: We don't talk about Project twenty twenty five in the media.
Speaker 5: And I want to take a moment to let our viewers,
Speaker 5: I know a lot of you all say, please talk
Speaker 5: about Project twenty five. Please talk about Projects twenty five.
Speaker 5: We did that. There is an episode available right now
Speaker 5: called Project twenty five. So I would encourage you a
Speaker 5: how to take as into stay tuned because I think
Speaker 5: that's something that will thank you. That's the title. What
Speaker 5: is Project twenty twenty five. So you can find that
Speaker 5: as available on YouTube anywhere you get your podcasts, and
Speaker 5: that's something that the three of us will be revisiting
Speaker 5: in the coming week. So stay tuned. But I just
Speaker 5: have to say I'm absolutely disgusted. I'm watching the core
Speaker 5: democratic institutions of our country erode. And media is such
Speaker 5: an important vehicle because that's how most people get their
Speaker 5: information and across print and broadcasts. All weekend, I saw
Speaker 5: people saying we all need to tamp down our tone.
Speaker 5: I wonder what my co host thing, because I say,
Speaker 5: we don't need to tamp down shit. We need to
Speaker 5: start being very honest and direct and speaking to people
Speaker 5: with a righteous anger that we are all entitled to
Speaker 5: about what's happening. And I want to point out what
Speaker 5: Angel was saying. We tried to tell you, like, whenever
Speaker 5: you want to see violent political violence, black folks know
Speaker 5: about that. This ain't the first time we seen political violence.
Speaker 5: We've been the victims and survivors of political violence since
Speaker 5: we were kidnapped and had the humanity beat out of
Speaker 5: us in this country for the past four hundred years.
Speaker 5: When we try to wave our arms and say, hey,
Speaker 5: you guys are electing yet another white supremacists to the office,
Speaker 5: but this time this white supremacy is going to screw
Speaker 5: you all over too, nobody listen. So I I am
Speaker 5: just exhausted and I'm getting apathetic. I'm going to vote
Speaker 5: in November because we have to. But I just wonder
Speaker 5: how y'all are feeling about trying to save a country
Speaker 5: that so frequently dismisses our humanity, that so often discards
Speaker 5: our warnings, that so routinely disregards our lived experience in
Speaker 5: this country. Because I'm getting a little exhausted with it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I feel you. I thought you were going
Speaker 1: without saving a country that don't want to be saved,
Speaker 1: just just don't want to be saved. And there's so
Speaker 1: many different directions. I feel like, you know, I can
Speaker 1: go emotionally, I was, I was. I was probably not
Speaker 1: at my best on Saturday, because immediately I saw journalists.
Speaker 1: You know, these are people who are seasoned and and
Speaker 1: and supposedly well trained and jumping to this sort of
Speaker 1: equity equality between what Democrats have been saying and what
Speaker 1: what's been coming out of Republicans, and not just Republicans,
Speaker 1: but the lead chief Republican, Donald Trump himself, and now JD. Vance,
Speaker 1: his vice president, who nominee who went directly to blame
Speaker 1: me Democrats for the political never mind, the man's got
Speaker 1: you know, the shooter allegedly has Trump signs in his yard.
Speaker 1: Never mind, that he's a registered Republican. Uh. The only
Speaker 1: fact they wanted to throw out was that he gave
Speaker 1: fourteen dollars on on on Act Blue to some cause
Speaker 1: that that that that we don't know of. But I
Speaker 1: was disgusted, you know, watching this interview from uh, you know,
Speaker 1: I'll just say Lester Hope and Vice President Biden where
Speaker 1: he says, when when you said we've got to put
Speaker 1: the focus or put Trump at the centerfold.
Speaker 4: Of bulls eye fighting the bullseye.
Speaker 1: Bullseye, he said, bulls eyes that's right, not crossairs, which
Speaker 1: is a difference, right, bullseye at the center of the conversation.
Speaker 1: Do you think you've contributed? And I'm thinking, you've got to.
Speaker 4: Be got to be to be kidding me.
Speaker 1: You've got to be kidding me. And I turned it
Speaker 1: off after Biden ripped him fail like it just it
Speaker 1: just And.
Speaker 4: What Tipp is just saying, even about the epic fail
Speaker 4: the epic failure is to the country, to the viewer, yes,
Speaker 4: and to your craft, like as as a journalist, how like,
Speaker 4: don't try to make this something it's not. And that's
Speaker 4: exactly what I was saying about reality TV versus reality
Speaker 4: y'all when the credits roll. Here, We're done. This isn't
Speaker 4: an ending where the next season comes like this is
Speaker 4: the season finale of America if there is not an
Speaker 4: immediate shift and pivot and drum sorry, I mean it.
Speaker 1: Just holy no, no, no, I mean this is a conversation.
Speaker 6: I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't actually don't have a platitude to
Speaker 1: get on other than to say that, you know, we
Speaker 1: have we have relied on institutions and so many ways
Speaker 1: to be redeeming. They're they're rarely ever on time with
Speaker 1: their redeeming and their redeemable value. But from the Supreme Court,
Speaker 1: who just crowned a king and cemented it now in
Speaker 1: the language of the highest court in the land, to
Speaker 1: isilin Cannon summarily dismissing what I think most experts would
Speaker 1: say was the strongest case against the wrongdoing, that that this,
Speaker 1: that this former president has undertaken it, and she doesn't
Speaker 1: in her nine to whatever pages one hundred and pages
Speaker 1: didn't once reference the case that issue. She goes after
Speaker 1: thanks to the handoff from Clarence Thomas and and and
Speaker 1: the immunity decision where he dissented and by himself decided
Speaker 1: to say that the Special Counsel's office is not constitutional,
Speaker 1: and she riffs or her Federalist society UH law clerks
Speaker 1: riffed on why it is that that is not uh,
Speaker 1: why this is illegal and therefore throwing out, you know,
Speaker 1: this case which justice is supposed to be blind and
Speaker 1: is supposed to be fair and all that you know convicted.
Speaker 4: It's buying everybody else but us.
Speaker 1: For sure, they are in no doubt about it. And
Speaker 1: the other my last I guess I do have a
Speaker 1: beef and it has been with the Democratic leadership in Washington,
Speaker 1: d C. With the exception of leaders in the Black
Speaker 1: Caucus and the Hispanic Caucus, who I think have doubled
Speaker 1: over backwards to try to handicap Joe Biden of late
Speaker 1: I mean, I listened to James Carvill on television and
Speaker 1: as of this moment is still shredding Biden. And I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: do you all realize what hell we will unleash? And
Speaker 1: less than thirty days to go before a Democratic convention
Speaker 1: where white liberals who are asked on television members of Congress,
Speaker 1: do you believe that Kamala Harris then should be the
Speaker 1: next up? Well? I don't want to get in front
Speaker 1: of the nominating process. I don't want to get in
Speaker 1: front of bigfoot, the delegate decision. I'm sorry, but you're
Speaker 1: willing to quash the millions of folks who have gone
Speaker 1: out and voted for Joe Biden up to this point
Speaker 1: in the primary. You're willing to throw all of that out.
Speaker 1: But when it comes to saying whether or not his
Speaker 1: vice president, our vice president, the next leader of the
Speaker 1: Democratic Party, should be his replacement on the ticket, all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, we want the people to decide. And
Speaker 1: I just what scares me most about this, and I've
Speaker 1: got my critiques of the administration so and so forth,
Speaker 1: is that we're just we appear willing to go head
Speaker 1: deep over the cliff with no plan for landing. We
Speaker 1: ain't got no shoot, there ain't no you know, a
Speaker 1: trampoline at the bottom, nothing it would help that. There's
Speaker 1: just no safety. There's nothing to catch us. And the problem,
Speaker 1: the problem that fears that to me, fear feels so
Speaker 1: just on the nose is we go over the cliff,
Speaker 1: black folks gonna be the first ones end of the
Speaker 1: damn dirt. Every time, we will be the first ones
Speaker 1: into the dirt. We're the ones who have so much
Speaker 1: to lose, and this whole you know, the Shenanigans and
Speaker 1: the games that are being played, and I just the
Speaker 1: polls have tightened. This is gonna be a race like
Speaker 1: it has been the last several presidential elections, very close
Speaker 1: up into the end. And Guys, if the president who's
Speaker 1: the only one who can make this decision, is saying
Speaker 1: I'm staying in, he's ten toes deep as you'd like
Speaker 1: to say, Angela, and his decision here down tense. Okay,
Speaker 1: all that to say, he's not changing his mind, it appears,
Speaker 1: and he's the only one who could bow out and
Speaker 1: say I released my delegates. Then can we just stop
Speaker 1: weakening the man? Can we just stop hitting him at
Speaker 1: the knees left and right. Joe Biden has always been
Speaker 1: a gaff machine. He's been that yesterday and he's been
Speaker 1: that thirty forty years ago.
Speaker 4: So I you know, I see this part differently than you.
Speaker 4: But I want you wait. Tip was going to weigh
Speaker 4: in a little bit ago, so I want to wait too.
Speaker 5: Well, we got to run to a break to pay
Speaker 5: some bills. But on the other side, I'll weigh in
Speaker 5: and I have a question for you guys, So stay tuned.
Speaker 5: We'll be right back. All right, Welcome back everybody, Natal Lampod.
Speaker 5: We're digging into the events that happened this past weekend
Speaker 5: and weighing in on all the mayhem that's happening in
Speaker 5: America right now, and we thank you guys for joining us.
Speaker 5: We missed you. We were at Essence last week, but
Speaker 5: we're happy to be back in community with each other today.
Speaker 5: We left off talking about the myriad of things plague
Speaker 5: in the country right now. But what I want to
Speaker 5: ask you, guys, because what I've noticed a lot of
Speaker 5: conversation happening across the country is the legitimacy of this
Speaker 5: quote unquote assassination attempt. Now, you know, I was disappointed
Speaker 5: in across media, like nobody wanted to touch this, and
Speaker 5: it is a very dangerous topic to touch because if
Speaker 5: this had happened to Joe Biden, you know, we would
Speaker 5: not be questioning was real or was it not. I
Speaker 5: only pose this question because our friend, our friend in common,
Speaker 5: Keith Boyken, posted a video of what happened when Ronald
Speaker 5: Reagan had an assassination attempt on his life at what
Speaker 5: is now the infamous Hilton Hinckley hotel right here in Washington.
Speaker 1: D C.
Speaker 5: The response was very different. So I think it does
Speaker 5: post a legitimate question of was this something that you know,
Speaker 5: unbeknownst to Trump? But was this something that somebody else
Speaker 5: wanted to happen as a part of a stunt. I
Speaker 5: don't necessarily think so, but that was a question, and
Speaker 5: I want to acknowledge that people were asking that. And
Speaker 5: the other piece of this is was the Secret Service
Speaker 5: lackadaisical in their response? Was it responsible of them to
Speaker 5: let this man stand there and throw his fist in
Speaker 5: the air and get his shoes and all those things
Speaker 5: that the things that happened around it seemed very inappropriate
Speaker 5: to me, And I'm curious what you guys thought about it.
Speaker 4: You know, I I've been wrestling with this quite a bit.
Speaker 4: I feel like my biggest frustration with media has been
Speaker 4: that they're saying assassination attempt while an investigation is ongoing
Speaker 4: to determine what exactly it was. To me, it should
Speaker 4: be an alleged assassination attempt and not anything more than that.
Speaker 4: I think the other thing is Donald Trump's own words
Speaker 4: in a car call that he had with RFK where
Speaker 4: he said it felt like a large mosquito bite. So
Speaker 4: if that's the guy, I don't know anybody that get won.
Speaker 4: I don't know anybody that gets hit gets hit by
Speaker 4: an AR fifteen and survives too. I don't know anybody
Speaker 4: that would say that it felt like a mosquito bite. Also,
Speaker 4: I'm not a ballistics forensic expert, but it also seems
Speaker 4: to me that there may have been an issue with
Speaker 4: hearing after being hit in the air with even grazed
Speaker 4: by a bullet. And it's something that if I were
Speaker 4: in a courtroom, I would probably raise on cross no
Speaker 4: pun intendative to ask that question, you know. And I'm
Speaker 4: really struggling with this. I am not trying to delegitimize,
Speaker 4: you know, paining or harm sent in his direction, but
Speaker 4: I am questioning given how they've used it, given the
Speaker 4: timing of it. Donald Trump gets up. If you think
Speaker 4: you've been shot, do you really throw up a fist
Speaker 4: and know it wasn't the black power fist? Let's be clear,
Speaker 4: when you are just about to pick your vice presidential candidate,
Speaker 4: when you are not in the news, because what's been
Speaker 4: in the news is who is in the Democratic Party
Speaker 4: who could take over for Joe Biden, who has been
Speaker 4: in the news more often than you. Even if negative.
Speaker 4: They say, any press is good press. So he wasn't
Speaker 4: getting the run that he once had. The last big
Speaker 4: run he had were about criminal convictions and charges and
Speaker 4: whether or not he would still be liable after the
Speaker 4: Supreme Court ruling. In addition to all of that, the
Speaker 4: start of the RNC was a mere two days later.
Speaker 4: So pardon me for being a little skeptical about the
Speaker 4: timing of it all. I haven't been paying attention either.
Speaker 4: I had to, like you tip, tune out of the news.
Speaker 4: I was in the car with my parents here, I
Speaker 4: was like, y'all, can we turn this off? I feel
Speaker 4: dirty like I did when I used to watch love
Speaker 4: and Hip Hop. No shade d y'all, but that's how
Speaker 4: I used to feel. I did one marathon and I
Speaker 4: was like, you know what, I can't even do it
Speaker 4: no more. Jesus is calling me onward, and so this
Speaker 4: is that. I felt the same way watching this. It
Speaker 4: felt like a trashy reality TV show, you know, And
Speaker 4: that's my truth. I cannot watch this man get lifted
Speaker 4: into like idol status because I can't. I'm like what
Speaker 4: is it? He's not Jesus the christ Man, like what
Speaker 4: is happening? So it's it's hard and I'm I'm honestly, y'all,
Speaker 4: I'm struggling with tapping into any type of empathy here
Speaker 4: because it's like, what is this stunt? What is this craziness?
Speaker 4: You know? That's how I feel. I'm not that's not
Speaker 4: it's not reporting Tiff, It's how I feel about it.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 5: That's why I'm being very careful in how we say
Speaker 5: this because I do think had this happen to Joe Biden,
Speaker 5: I don't think the three of us would raise the
Speaker 5: same questions. But we're talking about a completely different person,
Speaker 5: different party, different campaign, versus a right being on magic extreme.
Speaker 4: If Joe Biden, if this happened to Joe Biden, they
Speaker 4: would be like, well, you know, Joe old so he
Speaker 4: fell down on something. They wouldn't even be like it
Speaker 4: would be they would be They absolutely would be questioning
Speaker 4: if it was a bullet. They absolutely would be saying
Speaker 4: that somebody behind him struck him to get us to
Speaker 4: feel bad for him, because they would, oh, yeah, maybe
Speaker 4: we would, Well I would, I would. I think I
Speaker 4: would say, can we get a little closer. Can we
Speaker 4: find out what really happened? I think I'm that natural
Speaker 4: skeptic in that way.
Speaker 5: I don't, but I don't look at it with the
Speaker 5: same skepticism as I do Donald Trump.
Speaker 4: I have cynicism about Donald Trump. I have skepticism about all.
Speaker 5: I have skepticism and cynicism about Donald Trump and this party,
Speaker 5: to be quite honest. And you know, immediately they went
Speaker 5: I had never heard the term left wing extremists before.
Speaker 5: Immediately that phrase was introduced to the idiom by the
Speaker 5: mostly white run corporate media landscape. And we talked a
Speaker 5: little bit about this earlier, Andrew. You know, I do
Speaker 5: struggle because I feel like there are so many people
Speaker 5: out there who who run these networks. You know, decision
Speaker 5: makers very rarely look like us, and so I don't
Speaker 5: want to put people who look like us in, you know,
Speaker 5: to have them draw our ire because you know, but
Speaker 5: I just think it is important to point out there
Speaker 5: are black faces and there are black voices. I am
Speaker 5: so disappointed with how few black voices are on air
Speaker 5: on CNN. There are multiple Morehouse graduates who appear on
Speaker 5: that network, and I look and think, are you e
Speaker 5: fing kidding me. We can't get the truth from Morehouse.
Speaker 5: And I'm not blaming the people who are saying it.
Speaker 5: I'm blaming the fear because Andrew has taught me to
Speaker 5: have grace for people and not expect hyenas to be lions.
Speaker 5: And people are operating out of fear. But every time
Speaker 5: when I hear these conversations Andrew, it's like we're legitimizing
Speaker 5: and normalizing this race. We're talking about polls and his
Speaker 5: VP pick. No, no, no, no no. We need to be
Speaker 5: talking about the crisis, the existential crisis that this man is.
Speaker 5: So you have the most empathy of us all. People
Speaker 5: always stop me and say, I love Andrew's empathy. Do
Speaker 5: you believe that this man? Did you watch this and think,
Speaker 5: oh yeah, I believe everything that happened. I believe what
Speaker 5: my eyes are seeing. I believe what they're saying about it.
Speaker 5: I don't have a lot of questions.
Speaker 1: I mean legitimately, I of course, like y'all, had had
Speaker 1: questions about all of it. I don't understand how the
Speaker 1: Secret Service allowed for a building to be outside of
Speaker 1: its parameter less than one hundred and twenty five feet
Speaker 1: with line of sight directly to the president. I've just
Speaker 1: never I mean since the Grassy Noll Texas in Texas,
Speaker 1: I thought that they had decided that they would claim
Speaker 1: all high ground anywhere surrounding a president or a former
Speaker 1: president or protectee if you will no, no, I mean,
Speaker 1: you're not a race. We had private protection, yes, okay,
Speaker 1: but but but so I would just say I generally
Speaker 1: accept until evidence is produced otherwise that this was a
Speaker 1: legitimate attempt. Now, the questions around it are mind boggling
Speaker 1: to me. I mean, the fact that the the the
Speaker 1: the director of the Secret Service got on national television
Speaker 1: and said there was a slope in the roof and
Speaker 1: so we decided that we would put our agents inside
Speaker 1: the building rather than on the roof was insane and
Speaker 1: asinine to me. I just for their safety, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: What about the safety of the people that they are
Speaker 1: sworn to protect. And then that reaction afterwards, the time
Speaker 1: it took to get to him, to cover him, to
Speaker 1: get him off, and then people's people just forgetting everything
Speaker 1: that matters at the drop of Donald Trump to the
Speaker 1: floor on that stage, as if there was no pre
Speaker 1: rally Trump that matters in the context of the race
Speaker 1: that he's running for president. All of that went out
Speaker 1: the window. It's been out the window and the only
Speaker 1: conversation that seems to be being had. And I really
Speaker 1: I'd give props to Biden who did make a call
Speaker 1: to him, who did call the now widow of the
Speaker 1: former fire chief who passed, and as of late last
Speaker 1: night it was her comment that she had yet to
Speaker 1: hear from Donald Trump.
Speaker 5: Yes, she didn't take Biden's call, right, she did.
Speaker 1: Not take his call, but she did say she appreciated
Speaker 1: very much him making outreach to her. And you know,
Speaker 1: when people are in the middle of grief, I don't
Speaker 1: judge anybody and who they choose to talk to, but
Speaker 1: that be and God.
Speaker 5: By the way she said she wouldn't take his call
Speaker 5: because her husband was a staunch Republican. To me that
Speaker 5: this is a cult like this is a weird thing
Speaker 5: to me.
Speaker 1: You know, their their own judgment. But but I appreciated
Speaker 1: her giving Biden the props that he deserves for that empathy. No,
Speaker 1: he did. He did what he did what a president
Speaker 1: and a time like this would have done. Any normal
Speaker 1: president who's not a narcissist would have done. The last
Speaker 1: thing on the whole attempt is. I don't want to
Speaker 1: connect these two things because there's no evidence to connect them,
Speaker 1: but I do find it strange that Erdawan of Turkey
Speaker 1: was here last week for uh the UH NATO NATO
Speaker 1: seventieth seventy fifth anniversary. Yeah, and then took a flight
Speaker 1: down to Donald Trump met privately with Donald Trump on
Speaker 1: the heels of him just having left China meeting with she,
Speaker 1: and Russia meeting with Putin, and I just it was
Speaker 1: just such a strange thing. And I know Donald Trump,
Speaker 1: as you already alluded to, kicks people out of the
Speaker 1: room when he's meeting with foreign foreign governments, which is
Speaker 1: not standard practice for a president or former president agents
Speaker 1: of the United States. So I just can't help thinking
Speaker 1: it's Urdawan a messenger. Is there something that's being communicated
Speaker 1: between these authoritarian leaders dictators and she putin Erduwan and
Speaker 1: now Donald Trump. I just think we deserve to know.
Speaker 1: I think we deserve to ask the questions. And I
Speaker 1: just haven't seen anybody on what the hell this is about.
Speaker 5: Okay, So, Andrew, I just want to give a little
Speaker 5: bit of background because I think this is important. Erduline
Speaker 5: who is the president of Turkey and Putin. He is
Speaker 5: considered largely considered by US intelligence agency to be a
Speaker 5: protege of Putin. So these two are super close. When
Speaker 5: you see the world, the global alliances to your point,
Speaker 5: and NATO is the North Atlantic Treaty Organization meeting here.
Speaker 5: This is what the war in Ukraine is all about.
Speaker 5: That Putin is afraid that Ukraine will join NATO, and
Speaker 5: but essentially says, if you attack any NATO country, then
Speaker 5: all of it right, than all other members like Passa,
Speaker 5: than we all coming after you. So the fact that
Speaker 5: Erdowan was here, who for at least a decade has
Speaker 5: been considered a protege of Putin and flew to see
Speaker 5: Donald Trump, and no one's talking about that, and that
Speaker 5: we saw just maybe a year ago with she and
Speaker 5: Putin join hands on the world stage. Modi, the Prime
Speaker 5: Minister of India, also met with Putin. I just think
Speaker 5: we ought to be paying close attention to some of
Speaker 5: these global alliances reshaping the world stage. And you're right,
Speaker 5: I've not heard a lot of reporting or conversations about that.
Speaker 5: And this goes to Angelo's point about when these credits roll.
Speaker 5: This is what leads up to the credits rolling on
Speaker 5: America that he is building inroads and extending olive branches
Speaker 5: to dictators and treating our friends like enemies and our
Speaker 5: enemies like friends.
Speaker 1: And guess what, Tiff and I know we got to
Speaker 1: go to break. But his vice presidential pick is doubling down.
Speaker 1: He says, I don't care what happens over there. I
Speaker 1: just want America. Our interests, our money, our resources are
Speaker 1: whatever out And it is this is a complete reshuffling
Speaker 1: of global alliances. And I know that the rest of
Speaker 1: the world just has to be, I mean, upside down
Speaker 1: about these nuclear powers Russia, China, United States of America
Speaker 1: potentially uniting against what has been frankly, the conscience of
Speaker 1: the globe for the last you know, better half of
Speaker 1: a century, in nearly a century.
Speaker 5: You know what, Andrew this forgive me, audience, forgive me viewers.
Speaker 5: We've been saying Erwan, and everything we said about Erwan
Speaker 5: is true. He is president of Turkey, protege of Putin,
Speaker 5: building alliances, all the other things. Who actually flew down
Speaker 5: to see Trump was Orbon, who is the prime the
Speaker 5: current prime minister of Hungary. And Andrew you were talking
Speaker 5: about JD. Vance, Trump's vice presidential pick he idolizes Orbon.
Speaker 5: Why that's dangerous is because Orbon is unapologetic, remorseless about
Speaker 5: building a homogeneous society of all white heterosexual people. And
Speaker 5: he is unapologetic about it when he came into office,
Speaker 5: I think he came in two ten, twenty eleven, maybe
Speaker 5: he was very vocal about that. These are the people
Speaker 5: that Trump is building in roads. So forgive us, you, guys,
Speaker 5: We did not mean to say Erdwine flew down to Florida.
Speaker 5: It is urbone president.
Speaker 1: Who did still do all those things, still made, still
Speaker 1: made those visits. And the question still for me stands,
Speaker 1: why is this man appearing to be a messenger right
Speaker 1: between these these leaders world leaders?
Speaker 7: I guess, all right, welcome back.
Speaker 1: As you know, we've been having a free ranging conversation
Speaker 1: just about the events of the past several days and
Speaker 1: what's landed us here. And I wanted to ask both Tiffany,
Speaker 1: you and and Angela did you all get to hear
Speaker 1: Vice President I should say Biden addressed the na A
Speaker 1: c P. And if so, do you think that the
Speaker 1: speech she delivered is one that he should be taking
Speaker 1: on the road. And if you and I'll let you
Speaker 1: think about your response, while I have Nick play this
Speaker 1: little clip from that speech.
Speaker 6: Those are the things of black jobs.
Speaker 2: I love his phrase.
Speaker 6: Black jobs tell us a lot about the man and
Speaker 6: about his character. Folks, I know what a black job is.
Speaker 6: It's a vice president of the United States. I know
Speaker 6: what a black job is. The first black president of
Speaker 6: American is in Barack Obama. I was a vice president
Speaker 6: the Barack, and she is my vice president. I nominated
Speaker 6: the first black Secretary Defense in American history and doing
Speaker 6: one hell of a job. I nominated the first black
Speaker 6: woman so of the United States Supreme Court.
Speaker 4: It mattered, It mattered.
Speaker 6: I promised myself. I promised America. My administration would look
Speaker 6: like America.
Speaker 1: So he traveled out to Nevada to speak to the
Speaker 1: National Association for the Advancement of Color People their annual convention,
Speaker 1: and I had not I listened to forty five to
Speaker 1: fifty minutes. I know he name dropped in that particular clip,
Speaker 1: but leading up to that, just gave a whopping record
Speaker 1: of what he's done and how it's impacted black folks
Speaker 1: in America. And I just had I've been to plenty
Speaker 1: of NAACP conventions, but I felt them through the television,
Speaker 1: and I could just be fanning over the fact that
Speaker 1: finally the man you know, got up and stood deep
Speaker 1: on what he believed in and what he's done. But
Speaker 1: I wonder if y'all, if y'all think that's a salient
Speaker 1: enough message and then some to be repeated around.
Speaker 4: The country, It's not, I mean to me right now,
Speaker 4: I'm like, you guys are running a campaign from twenty eight,
Speaker 4: twenty twelve, twenty sixteen. We are not campaigning. This is
Speaker 4: not a campaign. This is a political war. I'm not
Speaker 4: saying that to be hyperbolic. There's not a commercial you
Speaker 4: can run. There's not an accomplishment you can tut. There's
Speaker 4: nothing you can say besides to change the rules of
Speaker 4: the game so that we can finally play ball fairly.
Speaker 4: If you do not begin to use your executive powers
Speaker 4: to change the rules of the game, we're done. Like,
Speaker 4: I don't know how else to explain that. There's not
Speaker 4: a cute campaign ad. There's not a Popeye song that
Speaker 4: can do. There's not a rap artist they can have
Speaker 4: to do a rap There's not a cute T shirt slogan.
Speaker 4: There's not a dope blind he could drop. There's nothing
Speaker 4: that he can do besides to change the rules of
Speaker 4: the game, because the deck is stacked against us in
Speaker 4: the judicial branch, in the executive branch, in the legislative branch.
Speaker 4: I shouldn't say the executive branch. The executive branch is
Speaker 4: the one place or we still have a little bit
Speaker 4: of space to create change, to tell accomplishments that people
Speaker 4: have not felt written large. I know we saw something
Speaker 4: extraordinarily special at Essence when folks stood up and talked
Speaker 4: about how much of their student loan that is forgiven.
Speaker 4: But what difference doesn't make it if all of the
Speaker 4: rest of your freedoms are taken away from the next
Speaker 4: president coming. Treat this man like he is the existential
Speaker 4: threat he is. You cannot go up here and get
Speaker 4: the crowd hype and treat it like church and let
Speaker 4: us have the benediction and go back out into the
Speaker 4: world like it's business as usual. There is nothing normal
Speaker 4: about this time. And I feel like a crazy person
Speaker 4: because I've been screaming this since twenty sixteen. What do
Speaker 4: you mean? Which is it?
Speaker 1: Please?
Speaker 5: I have a follow up for Angela because just to
Speaker 5: remind people, Angela was the executive director of the Congression
Speaker 5: black Hawk is so worked on Capitol Hill forever, so
Speaker 5: you have a unique lens into how policy moves and
Speaker 5: how executive orders work. And I want to see it
Speaker 5: because we have a viewer question. And I also think
Speaker 5: Angela should answer the guy if Nick and Lolow could
Speaker 5: get that together. The guy was asking about like a
Speaker 5: Biden campaign question. But my question that to Angela is
Speaker 5: what should he do with those executive orders? Like what
Speaker 5: are the three executive orders that he should and could
Speaker 5: issue tomorrow?
Speaker 4: Yeah, So, first of all, I think that the executive orders,
Speaker 4: it needs to be balls to the wall, like try
Speaker 4: everything and dare the Supreme Court to undermine your authority
Speaker 4: because they didn't dare undermine it when it came to
Speaker 4: criminal liability for a president. So certainly you should be
Speaker 4: able to exercise executive powers that don't have to go
Speaker 4: through the legislative branch. That's what they're going to allow
Speaker 4: for Donald Trump. So why not test it out now?
Speaker 4: I would work on trying to figure out how you
Speaker 4: he said that he supports term limits for the Supreme Court,
Speaker 4: try to get that pass an executive order, you know,
Speaker 4: do it?
Speaker 5: But can that be done?
Speaker 4: It's not supposed to be but with this Supreme Court
Speaker 4: and the way they're ruling, why not try. There's there's
Speaker 4: actions being taken by the Fearless Fund. The Fearless Fund
Speaker 4: we talked about it on our mini pod as not
Speaker 4: just the letter, but they requested an executive order. We
Speaker 4: have a letter to your point to support that. I
Speaker 4: think that's what you're saying. I got it now. But
Speaker 4: there are things that could be done to protect our
Speaker 4: civil and human rights. Do want on reproductive justice? Do
Speaker 4: one on affirmative action? Do want restricting legacy admissions? Do
Speaker 4: want ensuring that people have contract opportunities with the federal government?
Speaker 4: Take back with the cour said about the Minority Business
Speaker 4: Development Agency having to work on behalfa white folks too.
Speaker 5: So forgive my ignorance. But so when you say do
Speaker 5: one on reproductive justice, does that mean a federal law
Speaker 5: mandating a woman's right to free or to access to
Speaker 5: healthcare when it comes.
Speaker 4: To reproductive justice. Yes, executive order though, which wouldn't necessarily
Speaker 4: be a federal law in the traditional sense where it
Speaker 4: passes both chambers the House and the Senate in Congress.
Speaker 4: I'm talking about becoming becoming a legislator in chief because
Speaker 4: that is basically what the Supreme Court is authorized. Try
Speaker 4: it at least so it looks like you fought for
Speaker 4: everything that you say that you want, knowing that these
Speaker 4: things are not going to get through at least the
Speaker 4: House and probably not the Senate because there are twenty
Speaker 4: plus seats up. I think maybe it's thirty is it
Speaker 4: thirty two this year, but there's several seats open, and
Speaker 4: for folks are running for election in the Senate, so
Speaker 4: they're not willing to go and try that hard. So
Speaker 4: you go do it. Show these folks that you know
Speaker 4: that you are in the fight of your life, the
Speaker 4: fight of our lives. You gotta do something different.
Speaker 1: I think that's what we're gonna hear on the courts.
Speaker 1: And as you and I both all three of us
Speaker 1: probably know, the Supreme Court was not ruling for presidents
Speaker 1: into eternity. They were ruling for Donald Trump clear because
Speaker 1: at the same time they stripped this administration the executive
Speaker 1: branch of its agency power by and large through rule
Speaker 1: making their ability to basically.
Speaker 4: But barring, barring and barring an emergency hearing that will
Speaker 4: not be touched before the election. So if we are
Speaker 4: doing this because I didn't just work as the CBC
Speaker 4: executive director. I wasn't just on home the Homeland Security Concilia.
Speaker 4: I am a strategist. I do this work for a living.
Speaker 4: I do it in communications, I do it in politics.
Speaker 4: Everybody on this on this podcast are brilliant strategists and
Speaker 4: communication strategists and messengers and like incredible. What we know
Speaker 4: is there's a timeline on this thing. Andrew open the
Speaker 4: podcast saying, we got one hundred and ten damn days left.
Speaker 4: Act like you're in the fight of your life and
Speaker 4: get some of these things done. If they decide in
Speaker 4: the Supreme Court next term that they can't stand the
Speaker 4: election is over. You are already inaugurated for sure, So
Speaker 4: let's go. Let's go. Let's act like we know what's
Speaker 4: at stake.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm way with t if i'd look to you know,
Speaker 1: if you've got, you know, additional thoughts on like just
Speaker 1: what we could be doing toward our community. And the
Speaker 1: reason why I thought it was important to say what
Speaker 1: he has done and what he wants to do is
Speaker 1: because that comes up question after question, what has he
Speaker 1: done for black people? What is he So he has
Speaker 1: an obligation to answer the question, and then take us
Speaker 1: to where we're going and the where we're going, particularly
Speaker 1: on Angela. Your points being well taken on the on
Speaker 1: the courts. I'm hopeful in the next couple of days
Speaker 1: we're about to hear from this White House some bold
Speaker 1: and courageous steps that they plan to take as it
Speaker 1: relates to this court, because I think it will be
Speaker 1: by and large bipartisan agreement, because folks are pretty pissed
Speaker 1: off at what they see as a runaway Supreme Court.
Speaker 5: Well, that's my question, and this is either of you,
Speaker 5: but whoever can answer, whoever has the best lens into this.
Speaker 5: There happened. Maybe it was here on this podcast, I
Speaker 5: can't remember. I don't know if we were on the podcast,
Speaker 5: on the areages in our group chat or together, but
Speaker 5: we were talking about Biden needs to expand the court
Speaker 5: because it's tilted. You know, it's not just a conservative court,
Speaker 5: it is a maga extremist court at this point. What
Speaker 5: does that look like because I'm still a little confused
Speaker 5: about the executive order of process, Like he couldn't do
Speaker 5: that via executive order because they have to be approved
Speaker 5: by the Senate. So if he did expand the court
Speaker 5: and Democrats have the Senate. That is that a realistic
Speaker 5: option to get done before November.
Speaker 1: And it has to be the House. It have to
Speaker 1: be the house in the Senate. But if we take
Speaker 1: Angela's strategic point, her point is shit, jam jam the
Speaker 1: door and begged them to, you know, try me if
Speaker 1: you won't try me. The Supreme Court has no enforcement ability.
Speaker 1: They don't have a military, they have any enforcement other
Speaker 1: than their written word. But technically it is my belief
Speaker 1: Angela correct me if from wrong. Traditionally, the way it
Speaker 1: would go is that the this would have to be legislated.
Speaker 1: The President, of course, does not legislate.
Speaker 5: But I mean, I think that's Angelo's That's like the
Speaker 5: rules are thrown out gone.
Speaker 6: Ye.
Speaker 1: No, I agree from a strategic one hundred and ten
Speaker 1: days left to the election day approach, and there won't
Speaker 1: be a court that could hear it that soon, other
Speaker 1: than the fact that a Texas court would immediately take
Speaker 1: it up and would immediately issue stay on on on
Speaker 1: the actions, and you know, so on and so forth.
Speaker 1: But but I don't, I don't disagree with the point.
Speaker 4: It just it just feels like they won't. It's like
Speaker 4: we're all seeing the same thing. But they want to
Speaker 4: run a campaign that like shit is normal. It's not normal.
Speaker 4: This is not normal, like show that you have some
Speaker 4: type of fight in you and you know what's on
Speaker 4: the line. We know what's on the line. And tiff
Speaker 4: said at the beginning of the podcast, I'm feeling apathy.
Speaker 4: Do you know how dangerous it is for Tiffany Cross
Speaker 4: to be sitting here talking about feeling apathy? Do you
Speaker 4: know what that means? Is on the line? Like, I mean,
Speaker 4: I hate to be screaming like this, but you guys,
Speaker 4: this is major we have.
Speaker 5: How do you feel? Do you feel apathy? Do you
Speaker 5: feel anger?
Speaker 4: I'm so pissed off, tiff I'm mad because I hate
Speaker 4: to say it, like this is an easy fix, but
Speaker 4: it's far easier than they're making it. The Party is
Speaker 4: making this so difficult. They are making it seem like
Speaker 4: there's no fight in us, like in any of us.
Speaker 4: It almost feels like they're stripping away our fight. And
Speaker 4: I don't I'm not a party person, but I know
Speaker 4: where my politics lie and I know that there is
Speaker 4: no other option for me, and so I'm frustrated with
Speaker 4: my options. I'm frustrated that I feel like my choice
Speaker 4: has been taken away from the womb to the tomb,
Speaker 4: to the poles. I feel like the people who are
Speaker 4: supposed to be representing our best interests and are paid
Speaker 4: to do so, are being negligent because they're having a
Speaker 4: regular political conversation, like they don't see the whole damn
Speaker 4: war going on like we all do. And that is
Speaker 4: my frustration. Like, just test the system, stress test the system.
Speaker 4: If this system is broken because the Supreme Court is
Speaker 4: hell bent on breaking it, then break it for them,
Speaker 4: break it for them because it has to be repaired
Speaker 4: before next January. And there's a whole other insurrection that
Speaker 4: is far more deadly and far more dangerous and far
Speaker 4: more violent than the last one. We know what they're
Speaker 4: capable of, We've seen it before. Why are we playing
Speaker 4: like we don't know? That's my point. So I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 4: I know how the laws are made. Oh my god,
Speaker 4: what just happened?
Speaker 1: What? Oh?
Speaker 4: Everything? Sorry? Everything? Just where I think the fans is
Speaker 4: in here, y'all.
Speaker 5: Clearly do y'all? Are y'all good? If we take a
Speaker 5: viewer question, because I okay, we have a question, and
Speaker 5: I think Andrew and Angela are uniquely positioned to answer
Speaker 5: this question given all their experience. So we're gonna hear
Speaker 5: from Keith Singleton.
Speaker 2: Greetings, Native Land Podcast. My name is Keith Singleton, residing
Speaker 2: here in Atlanta, Georgia. Uh from VFDC. How you doing, Tiffany,
Speaker 2: How you doing? Angela? And my may man Andrew? Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: And by the way, Angela, my eldest son who's thirty four,
Speaker 2: thinks you're very cute. He's gonna love that. He's gonna too.
Speaker 2: I just want to I have this question. Do you
Speaker 2: think that the Joe Biden Harris ticket needs a theme
Speaker 2: like the mega theme that Trump has? If so, I
Speaker 2: have an idea.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 2: It's called BASA b A w s A, which means
Speaker 2: building a wiser and stronger America. Let me know your thoughts.
Speaker 2: Right now, we're working on approval. We haven't earn anything
Speaker 2: back from the campaign. Hopefully they will again, y'all stay blessed.
Speaker 2: Thank you for giving this opportunity.
Speaker 1: I love that that's a man who feels like he
Speaker 1: has ownership and a part of the campaign. Anytime somebody
Speaker 1: forwards something, it's like, look, I got this idea. I
Speaker 1: remember those folks coming into my office is when I
Speaker 1: would run for office. I actually think more a more
Speaker 1: than a slogan. It probably requires a lot of what
Speaker 1: Angelo was laying out, the urgency, you know, the urgency
Speaker 1: of the moment that I don't think has eclipsed any
Speaker 1: of us. Nobody asked me, but I will say I
Speaker 1: feel more exhausted than anything about what's been happening. I
Speaker 1: feel exhausted because I think Democrats buy and large from
Speaker 1: the leadership stamdpart are we And I'm really directing that
Speaker 1: at the Congress and those governors out there. I just
Speaker 1: think we're kneecapping and doing the work of the other
Speaker 1: side when they got a not only a convicted felon,
Speaker 1: but eighty eight total counts across all the cases, and
Speaker 1: these folks are unified. They're standing behind this dude like
Speaker 1: he is the Messiah, and we're just coming. We're coming
Speaker 1: aparts at the seams, and it's exhausting to want to
Speaker 1: channel frustration through the television at them when what they're
Speaker 1: giving you back is just hapless. So I kind of
Speaker 1: feel like a slogan is a little late. I think
Speaker 1: where we probably are is at death con. Death con
Speaker 1: that really say three five eleven fifty eleven Angela. I'm
Speaker 1: sure you probably have a thought.
Speaker 4: I do, and I wasn't gonna say anything, but you
Speaker 4: don maybe mad too, because my thing is like, how
Speaker 4: do we get to a point where we're blaming the
Speaker 4: status quo and blaming people who are not Like I
Speaker 4: just told you the kind of fight I need to see.
Speaker 4: I'm telling you the kind of fight I need to
Speaker 4: see because I'm not seeing it. Right. If folks aren't
Speaker 4: seeing that fight and they're scared to death that the
Speaker 4: other side is fighting and we playing hopscotch, it is
Speaker 4: fair to say we need a different kind of leadership.
Speaker 4: Maybe it's not fair to say we need a different
Speaker 4: leader altogether, but it is certainly fair to criticize that right, Like, I.
Speaker 1: Don't think fight in the house, nah man.
Speaker 4: It's a fight going on outside. It's a war going
Speaker 4: on outside.
Speaker 1: Oh, it is that we are completely fighting ourselves in
Speaker 1: the front yard, out in the streets.
Speaker 4: But that's because decades of Steff been the only and.
Speaker 1: The only folks who are weakened by it. Ain't the
Speaker 1: ain't the people who are the existential threat that you
Speaker 1: called out earlier, the only people being negatively impacted. It's
Speaker 1: our side.
Speaker 4: I don't think that's completed.
Speaker 1: They feeling like they're not there, that their vote is
Speaker 1: going to be pointless because the election is over.
Speaker 4: It feels like that. It feels like maybe it presents
Speaker 4: it like that, but but it also feels that like
Speaker 4: you have by us. No, no, I'm not. I'm not
Speaker 4: egging them on. I feel like I'm asking. So we
Speaker 4: got to be careful with us. And y'all's right, like
Speaker 4: we gotta careful us in y'all. But I do think
Speaker 4: like it is fair for us to be concerned about
Speaker 4: how Joe Biden is presenting given what he's up against.
Speaker 4: He can stand opposite a liar, but someone who sounds
Speaker 4: compelling to the status quo. He's up against someone who
Speaker 4: is invincible in the face of the law. You just
Speaker 4: talked about a Biden administration court Supreme Court ruling versus
Speaker 4: a Trump rule. It's it's it is light years apart.
Speaker 4: And so we have to have someone who's up against him,
Speaker 4: who stands the the who's whoo, who has the potential
Speaker 4: to beat him. Joe Biden doesn't have the COVID pandemic
Speaker 4: on his side this time. Joe Biden doesn't have George
Speaker 4: Floyd's murder, which was the precursor for what was at
Speaker 4: least appeared to be a racial reckoning on his side.
Speaker 4: What he has on his side now is he's slower.
Speaker 4: It's harder to understand him. He has a vice president
Speaker 4: who they have not deputized to do enough for us
Speaker 4: to see her enough. The media doesn't pick up when
Speaker 4: she's doing amazing things like what she did in Wisconsin.
Speaker 4: He's up against a media that wants the ratings of
Speaker 4: a Donald Trump and not the snooze fest of a
Speaker 4: Joe Biden. These are not things that I that I
Speaker 4: personally feel. I'm just trying to objectively say these are
Speaker 4: the things he's up against. And then you have people,
Speaker 4: and then you have people.
Speaker 1: This I don't matter who that nominee is. This will
Speaker 1: be a one point race and the one who wins
Speaker 1: will be the one who outorganizes the other.
Speaker 4: And guess what else is happening on the ground. Guess
Speaker 4: what else is happening on the ground. Not a damn
Speaker 4: thing the Biden administration was supposed to advertise on this podcast.
Speaker 4: I'm calling it out because I think it's worth it.
Speaker 4: It's a good point to make. We're supposed to advertise
Speaker 4: on this podcast out of money for it a legendly
Speaker 4: their ground game. Yes, they are tiff. That's what they said.
Speaker 4: They literally just retracted it, saying they don't have the
Speaker 4: money for it. Now this this, this, the same issue
Speaker 4: is going towards go ahead.
Speaker 5: I just I think it's important to say that they
Speaker 5: sent that and they needed a response by July fifth,
Speaker 5: and no, and they.
Speaker 4: Were responded to. They were by the deadline, and since
Speaker 4: then have said that they don't have the budget for it.
Speaker 4: They also don't have the budget for the ground game.
Speaker 4: Tip you just raised. People on the ground in battleground
Speaker 4: states don't have the tools they need from this campaign.
Speaker 5: Did they have the budget when they were trying to
Speaker 5: go after Nikki Hayley voters? That is my question.
Speaker 4: Well, now we need to go.
Speaker 1: Again. All that can be true, Look but it and
Speaker 1: multiple things can be true at once. We can be
Speaker 1: kicking our goddamn selves, we could be hemorrhaging largely because
Speaker 1: of our own activity, and they can be running a
Speaker 1: tom foolish a campaign communication strategy that just doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1: I'm not insagreeing like you you agree with disagreeing. I'm
Speaker 1: not disagreeing.
Speaker 4: All I'm saying is, Andrew, I would so much rather
Speaker 4: have you like, we need someone that has the capacity. No,
Speaker 4: just listen to what I'm saying. We need someone who
Speaker 4: has the capacity to throw a blow. We need someone
Speaker 4: with courage. We need someone who's daring the system to
Speaker 4: treat it differently than it treats the other guy. We
Speaker 4: have to have that right now. Kamala could do that.
Speaker 4: She could, I think so. Honestly, I believe part of
Speaker 4: the strategy of the CBC right now is don't undermine
Speaker 4: Joe Biden, because if they undermine Joe Biden, it undermines
Speaker 4: the entire ticket. They'll try to use that out to
Speaker 4: throw out the entire ticket. I don't support that. I'm
Speaker 4: not saying that Kamala can't do it. I think she
Speaker 4: very well could.
Speaker 1: I think she could as well. I'm just saying we
Speaker 1: won't be making that decision well, very very concerned.
Speaker 4: Because they will roll over and take it podcast, shall we.
Speaker 1: What I'm concerned, what I'm concerned about is when those
Speaker 1: delegates get there, if this is where we are, ditch
Speaker 1: Joe Biden and put Kamala in. I don't I'm not
Speaker 1: convinced that these folks are going to do right by her.
Speaker 4: And I understand that that's a fair concern.
Speaker 5: You say, these folks, who are you talking about? Say
Speaker 5: more about that.
Speaker 1: Well, I'll just say first on the on the who
Speaker 1: the nominee for the Democrats will be, it is largely
Speaker 1: a convention that while diverse is between the delegates and
Speaker 1: the super delegates, will be a majority of white liberals
Speaker 1: and many of the ones, many of the same ones
Speaker 1: who are calling in Congress now for Joe to step out,
Speaker 1: will not commit to her then stepping into his place.
Speaker 4: He's not. And Nancy Pelosi.
Speaker 1: Or leader, what are we setting ourselves up for? So
Speaker 1: say they get there, they leapfrog her and put a
Speaker 1: white woman governor or a white male governor or senator
Speaker 1: or whomever in her instead. We will have it all
Speaker 1: out revolte and we will absolutely lose. Fact absolutely so
Speaker 1: everybody's yep. We're riching for the perfect and the rejection
Speaker 1: of the good, and we gonna end up with nothing.
Speaker 1: And what I mean by the one point race is
Speaker 1: is that this country is vicraally divided. Yeah, half of
Speaker 1: us are in one place, and we see the country
Speaker 1: as if we live on Venus and the others on Mars,
Speaker 1: and they never intersect in between. And so if that's
Speaker 1: the case, then y'all, we've got to our bed has
Speaker 1: been made. There was a primary. All these people who
Speaker 1: are talking now, everybody got all his voice. Where were
Speaker 1: you when it was time to compete against Joe Biden
Speaker 1: for the Democratic nomination. If you're so skilled, so talented
Speaker 1: the ability to motivate, stimulate, mobilize people, then you should
Speaker 1: have let that work for you during the process. But
Speaker 1: now we're at the goddamn twenty fifth hour of the day,
Speaker 1: and there are not twenty five hours in a day.
Speaker 1: We're at a twenty fifth hour. I'm talking about we
Speaker 1: need somebody who can do this? Is that? And the
Speaker 1: third I can tell you what Joe Biden has proven
Speaker 1: is that he knows how to win. He's done it repeatedly.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to handicap him in that. He's got
Speaker 1: a lot of handicaps, y'all, But so does the other guy,
Speaker 1: way more than he, way more than the na Joe Biden.
Speaker 1: If we know that we got a herculean task and
Speaker 1: motivating our people every single day, we got one hundred
Speaker 1: and ten days left, y'all, if we keep meet capping
Speaker 1: this guy every day, who the hell wants to show
Speaker 1: up for a guy they already have written the obituary
Speaker 1: for that, he is going to lose.
Speaker 5: I think those are good points. Angel. You were saying something.
Speaker 5: I didn't hear what you were saying because Andrew was talking.
Speaker 6: I was.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I was probably.
Speaker 4: I was doing call and response at church and we're
Speaker 4: not at church. I don't remember what I was saying,
Speaker 4: but I'm not I don't disagree with what Andrew is raising.
Speaker 4: I'm also saying I am not going to turn a
Speaker 4: blind eye to the legitimate concerns of people. I'm not
Speaker 4: talking to you, guys. I'm not ever carrying Nancy Pelosi's
Speaker 4: water or Adam Schiff or Gavin Newsome like I know
Speaker 4: what they did or what and what they do to
Speaker 4: black elected officials in California. I'm clear about that. I
Speaker 4: am wide eyed open, Okay. Yeah, Like I'm very very clear.
Speaker 4: But I also understand that right now how I feel,
Speaker 4: and you guys know that we're now a de facto unofficial,
Speaker 4: very unofficial polling group. I would like to take focused group, Paul,
Speaker 4: how many of you feel very confident in Joe Biden's
Speaker 4: candidacy against Donald Trump in the fall. Right now, are
Speaker 4: you asking us?
Speaker 5: The two co hosts hands are down.
Speaker 1: My well, my hand is down because I think it
Speaker 1: is moot. No offense to you. I think I think
Speaker 1: that kind of prognosticating is done with and where we
Speaker 1: are right now is get to work, make moves. We
Speaker 1: said it, I said it the last time as my
Speaker 1: as my as my request to the listeners that we
Speaker 1: arrived with five.
Speaker 4: Just Andrew, I know you don't like to answer my questions.
Speaker 1: No, I'm just saying, but I'm just.
Speaker 4: I'm just saying, like I hear you, but it's not
Speaker 4: moot because it's being talked about in It's not just
Speaker 4: on cable news. I don't why, you guys know I do.
Speaker 4: I cannot watch it. I don't know what they talk
Speaker 4: about on there. I'm talking about the conversation I'm having
Speaker 4: with popa Rye. I'm talking about the conversation with my
Speaker 4: family members and my friends. This is scary that this
Speaker 4: is the candidate as is right now, if he's the guy,
Speaker 4: if he's the horse, and I think that really the
Speaker 4: time for this is after the convention. I think there's
Speaker 4: still time to at least talk about what has to shift.
Speaker 4: I'm not just talking about a new person on the ticket.
Speaker 4: Some things have to change. We talked about the mad
Speaker 4: nauseum earlier in this podcast, But I don't think we
Speaker 4: should be shaming people for asking legitimate questions about if
Speaker 4: he has the ability to withstand everything that's going to
Speaker 4: come at him for the next several months.
Speaker 1: I think it is a mood point because he is
Speaker 1: the horse unless he is struck down. Oh geez, and therefore,
Speaker 1: and God forbid, I mean, it's not a wish by
Speaker 1: any means. Then for me, then it isn't does he
Speaker 1: have the best does he have a good chance of
Speaker 1: whatever we've seen him throw down? I know that he
Speaker 1: has the capacity to do it. I listened to him
Speaker 1: do it just you know, the other day in his
Speaker 1: interview with Lester Hope, which I sat through and listened
Speaker 1: to up until the point that I had to, you know,
Speaker 1: get off of it. He was battling. He was bad.
Speaker 1: He was like, come on, man, this ain't real. How
Speaker 1: are you asking me if I'm doing this? I just
Speaker 1: he was very present and I saw him fighting. I
Speaker 1: listened to him at the NAACP. He was present, He
Speaker 1: was cognitively present. His stumbles are ever present, but they
Speaker 1: were ever present forty years ago. Right, So, so what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, if he is the nominee and Homeboy Trump
Speaker 1: is on the other side, then I just think that
Speaker 1: we do folks a disservice by saying by answering the
Speaker 1: question and ask and going down that road of is
Speaker 1: he the strongest? Is he able to compete with him?
Speaker 1: Is he able? Well, guess what he gonna have to
Speaker 1: reach into the reservoir of skills. He's gonna have to
Speaker 1: pull it from somewhere because it has to be done.
Speaker 1: It has got to be done. But he can't do
Speaker 1: it by himself. And that's my whole point is we
Speaker 1: cannot keep fighting in the lawn on the street down
Speaker 1: they block in our block because we don't win. That
Speaker 1: way they win, they win, And I don't deny. I'm
Speaker 1: not sharing people who have questions. I'm saying, right, you
Speaker 1: goddamn question down or ask him when he's in the
Speaker 1: cloakroom or in the whatever. Stop going to national television
Speaker 1: airing all of our ship for everybody when the decision
Speaker 1: has already been made. These questions there was a time for.
Speaker 4: It, but didn't. I don't think this is fair, Like
Speaker 4: I guess, I guess my issue is, like I hear you,
Speaker 4: there's yeah, there's a nominating process. Yeah, they were pries.
Speaker 4: All of that's legitimate. The debate that he challenged Donald
Speaker 4: Trump to.
Speaker 1: Obama had a horrible first debate.
Speaker 4: I'm not talking about that. The debate that Joe Biden
Speaker 4: Make my Day Pal challenged Donald Trump to was after
Speaker 4: the primaries. It just was, of course, because we're afraid.
Speaker 4: It's fine. I'm not that's not I'm not faulting him
Speaker 4: for that. But people were legitimately and under if we're honest,
Speaker 4: understandably concerned based on that performance, based on other things
Speaker 4: that we've seen, you guys. I was on Breakfast Club
Speaker 4: with y'all, and when they asked us about if we
Speaker 4: were concerned about Joe Biden, the way that he speaks,
Speaker 4: the way that he walks, so his age, we all
Speaker 4: summarily dismissed it. When we saw him on that debate stage,
Speaker 4: we were legitimately concerned. It is understandable.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I don't disagree, agree like, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: not what I'm talking about. We were all concerned, but
Speaker 1: this whole drop out kind of we're just passed it,
Speaker 1: we are just past it. And so if we are
Speaker 1: past it.
Speaker 4: But we're past norms, you got like the whole point
Speaker 4: of this podcast today is there's nothing normal about this
Speaker 4: election cycle and if we're.
Speaker 1: Becausing but there's a way to get there, he can't.
Speaker 4: Andrew. The way has changed. The roads say detour, the roads.
Speaker 1: Are closed, and what is the alternative?
Speaker 4: I don't freaking know, And that is part of the frustration.
Speaker 1: Andrew can't take the I'm.
Speaker 4: Not trying to, like, please know my heart, I am
Speaker 4: not trying to engage in a reality TV show like
Speaker 4: the other side. I am not doing this because I
Speaker 4: think it's fun and dramatic. I am I am questioning everything,
Speaker 4: stress testing everything because I am concerned about this side's
Speaker 4: ability to win, and I know the other side cannot.
Speaker 4: I just hit my chin on the mic. I know
Speaker 4: the other side cannot. I know they can't, but I
Speaker 4: don't know what to do. My truth is I don't
Speaker 4: know what to do. My truth is I have never
Speaker 4: been so afraid to be in this country. I have
Speaker 4: never considered more what it might be like to leave
Speaker 4: I am afraid. I am not doing this for shits
Speaker 4: and giggles. I don't know what Joe Biden can do
Speaker 4: and what he can take. I am terrified that he
Speaker 4: is our representative right now. I want him to pivot.
Speaker 4: I want to hit whatever needs to happen. I want
Speaker 4: him to pivot. I would love for Kamaa to be
Speaker 4: at the top of the ticket. I'm also terrified for her,
Speaker 4: physically worried about her. I'm not doing I literally, I'm
Speaker 4: pleading with you to hear my heart. This is not
Speaker 4: because I think it is wise. There is nothing about
Speaker 4: this time that is wise or safe, or normal or clear.
Speaker 4: It is confusing. I cannot I believe this is the
Speaker 4: industry that I've dedicated my entire professional adulthood to. I
Speaker 4: can't believe where we are. The second one that I
Speaker 4: took on media, I can't believe it's where it is.
Speaker 4: I think God that we have a safe space. Look
Speaker 4: looking tip, I think God that we have a safe space.
Speaker 4: But also to be here questioning, I need it to
Speaker 4: be okay for us to do that and try to
Speaker 4: reach a result. And if we don't know, to say
Speaker 4: we don't know. I hate not knowing y'all know that,
Speaker 4: and Tiffany Hardy said, I'm controlling. I hate not knowing,
Speaker 4: but I said.
Speaker 5: I'm controlling too. But can we take a really quick
Speaker 5: break because I know we're going a little long, but
Speaker 5: I think given what's happened since we last connected with
Speaker 5: the audience, I hope that you all can stay for
Speaker 5: a few extra minutes because I have a question for
Speaker 5: both of you guys, because I think it's I think
Speaker 5: this has been a great conversation because Andrew, you sound
Speaker 5: like half the people I talk to. Angela, do you
Speaker 5: sound like the other half of the people I talk to?
Speaker 5: I don't even know where I feel. I definitely feel
Speaker 5: Angelo's point and like this ain't it. Whatever it is,
Speaker 5: this ain't it. But I hear Andrew's point like that,
Speaker 5: what's the alternative.
Speaker 4: That's not saying my daddy? I sell it, Andrew and
Speaker 4: my dad, right.
Speaker 5: This is why these conversations are good, because you get
Speaker 5: to play the other side.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 5: I don't say the Devil's advocate because he got enough
Speaker 5: advocates already and everywhere, but I will will take a
Speaker 5: really quick break, and on the other side of this,
Speaker 5: I want to kick off with a question to my
Speaker 5: co host, so don't go anywhere.
Speaker 3: Well come, well come, well come, well come, well.
Speaker 2: Come, we come.
Speaker 5: All right, Welcome back, everybody. It's been an intense discussion
Speaker 5: here at Native lampod. We sound like a lot of
Speaker 5: you guys sound in your group chats and your conversations
Speaker 5: around Sunday dinner and Sunday brunch and uh dinners and
Speaker 5: cocktails that you have during the week. And I you know,
Speaker 5: listening to to my co host, to you Angela and
Speaker 5: you Andrew, I honestly everything y'all are saying. I'm like, yes,
Speaker 5: I agree with Andrew. When you say, like this is
Speaker 5: who we got, I agree with you, Like I don't
Speaker 5: know what the alternative is, like the nominating process. I
Speaker 5: don't think we'll see a broker convention in a couple
Speaker 5: of weeks, but who knows. So then to Angelo's point
Speaker 5: about something has to change and we don't know what.
Speaker 5: I agree with that too. It's like the playbook was
Speaker 5: ripped up in twenty sixteen and we are going to
Speaker 5: war with an ill suited candidate who is playing from
Speaker 5: the twenty eight playbookage, and so it's frustrating. It's like,
Speaker 5: what like if you expect us to fight. We have
Speaker 5: to be motivated to fight. And to Andelo's point, I
Speaker 5: do I feel apathetic? And how Angela, how you sound
Speaker 5: right now is how I feel inside when I indulge
Speaker 5: and to protect my own in insanity and mental health,
Speaker 5: I gotta check out. I gotta turn it off. I
Speaker 5: gotta read, I gotta write, I gotta go for a walk.
Speaker 5: I cannot be mired in this BS for extended period
Speaker 5: of time. So I guess my question is, Andrew, if
Speaker 5: you could consider Angelo's point, like, Okay, I hear you,
Speaker 5: something has to change. What is the one thing you
Speaker 5: would change? And then, Angela, if you could consider Andrew's point,
Speaker 5: if this is who we got, what would you want
Speaker 5: Joe Biden to do? Immediately? You said executive orders? But
Speaker 5: I mean something tangible where he could come out like
Speaker 5: and address to the nation from the Oval Office and
Speaker 5: say Donald Trump, or who would me? Let's ride, you know,
Speaker 5: like honestly, like the rule books are thrown up, let's
Speaker 5: do it.
Speaker 4: I'm with you.
Speaker 5: I'm like, let's just let's so Andrew. Andrew always says
Speaker 5: that they've captured our imagination. Let's not let them capture
Speaker 5: our imagination. Like, what would we do? So anyway, that's
Speaker 5: my question, and then I want to ask about y'all's
Speaker 5: mental health because I'm struggling. But yeah, whoever wanted to.
Speaker 1: I think if I saw it through Angela's lens, which
Speaker 1: by the way, I don't disagree at all, something's got
Speaker 1: to give. But I think the give is going to
Speaker 1: be on the strategy toward election day and not in
Speaker 1: the changing of the lead horse. I loved what she
Speaker 1: had to say about stress testing the system with regard
Speaker 1: to executive orders. Put your values on paper underneath the
Speaker 1: heading and executive order and dare them to come for you.
Speaker 1: I hadn't considered that, and that's the value of Evangeli's
Speaker 1: many years in Washington and knowing the congressional and the
Speaker 1: executive you know side of this whole thing. I agree
Speaker 1: with you that what worked before. As they say, what
Speaker 1: got you here won't get you there? Right, what got
Speaker 1: you here Joe Biden will not get you there? And
Speaker 1: team and company and campaign, and as I listened to
Speaker 1: a lot of their talking heads, I'm like, well, that
Speaker 1: person is really you know, sounds really nice, and they
Speaker 1: delivered that really nice flee. But I am uncompared held
Speaker 1: by the message, and so I wonder what you could
Speaker 1: say to me that would sound more real, more bitible,
Speaker 1: more digestible, that could get me moving. And right now,
Speaker 1: I don't think there's a lot of leveling. I don't
Speaker 1: mean we need to tell our business, yeah, but I
Speaker 1: do think we have to level with people's. But but
Speaker 1: I'm completely open, and I would double down on Angela's
Speaker 1: First of all, y'all need to hire her impact strategies.
Speaker 4: No, I'm not doing it.
Speaker 1: Double down on that executive order strategy.
Speaker 5: So I think we may be having a little bit
Speaker 5: of technical difficulties with Andrew, so he gonna have to
Speaker 5: be like y'all and listen to the playbacks here Angela's
Speaker 5: response on So, if you had to change something, Angela,
Speaker 5: if you were in charge of a campaign, and we
Speaker 5: know you wouldn't do that, they're not even ready for you, girl,
Speaker 5: But if you were, what would you directive?
Speaker 4: The first thing that I would do is remind them
Speaker 4: that Julie Rodriguez, Yeah, that Julie is the campaign manager,
Speaker 4: that she does not need to be layered, that she
Speaker 4: knows what she's doing, that she's fully capable, that she
Speaker 4: comes from her stock from a fighter Caesar Chavez. It's
Speaker 4: her grandfather. And I would remind them that everybody who
Speaker 4: is advising him has ill advised him for some time.
Speaker 4: I would replace his inner circle for the sake of
Speaker 4: the campaign cabinet. I would have a movie producer included,
Speaker 4: because he's running against a movie star, so run out
Speaker 4: this production like it needs to be run For folks
Speaker 4: who are used to seeing a big screen and used
Speaker 4: to being entertained, I would include them. I would include
Speaker 4: somebody that has significant social media background so that folks
Speaker 4: understand what the right messages are to reach folks. I
Speaker 4: would ensure that somebody like Terrence Woodbury is at the
Speaker 4: table not just to talk about polling in focus group,
Speaker 4: but focus groups, but messaging. I'm literally laying out, by
Speaker 4: the way, some of what we have for Andrew's campaign,
Speaker 4: and they ought to pay you for this, Terrence would
Speaker 4: very way. I want to lay it all out because
Speaker 4: I want.
Speaker 1: Them to win.
Speaker 4: The thing is that your gifts make room for you,
Speaker 4: and you can't recreate this, so try like I hope
Speaker 4: that they will go do this. I would also ensure
Speaker 4: that they instead of running from the young elected officials
Speaker 4: who are daring and courageous, the Jabon Bowman's of the world,
Speaker 4: the aocs, the Ayana Presley's other folks in Congress Jasmine.
Speaker 4: Don't just run them ragged. Run to them for guidance.
Speaker 4: How do they reach people. What is the candor that
Speaker 4: they use, what is the tone and tenor of the
Speaker 4: things that they are talking about. Utilize them. The people
Speaker 4: who are on the state and local level, who have
Speaker 4: great followings Gary Chambers, who you might be afraid of,
Speaker 4: Utilize them because they are reaching our people. Talk to
Speaker 4: the activist community, talk to Tamika and my song. Talk
Speaker 4: to these folks to figure out what is missing and
Speaker 4: what you can get right. The people who you've avoided,
Speaker 4: these college students around Gaza. Talk to them about what
Speaker 4: needs to shift so that they see your humanity again.
Speaker 4: They need to see not just a fighter overseas. They
Speaker 4: need to see you fighting for us here the way
Speaker 4: that we turned out and fought for you. And I
Speaker 4: think that that's a big difference. Talk to congressom with
Speaker 4: Maxine Waters. She got on that stage and they didn't
Speaker 4: even catch the sneaky shade of what she said as
Speaker 4: this she said, I'm older than Joe Biden. Hell, what
Speaker 4: she's saying is and I'm the biggest and baddest out here.
Speaker 4: Run to me. Let me show you how we do this.
Speaker 4: And I think that we need We could do. All
Speaker 4: of that is very easy. It doesn't have to just
Speaker 4: be black folks they talk to, but I certainly think
Speaker 4: they need more. The inner circle is too white. And
Speaker 4: then the last thing that I would say is, yes,
Speaker 4: he needs to go out. If I were on Joe
Speaker 4: Biden's team, I would tell him to do a president
Speaker 4: I don't want to hear him talk, but just take
Speaker 4: the time a presidential address every single night until the election,
Speaker 4: put your secretary defense up and talk about the threats
Speaker 4: fireside check no no, no, literally the an actual they
Speaker 4: the news. Every station has to run it since the
Speaker 4: news wants to play the Lion King every day and
Speaker 4: whatever else they doing fake TV. Make it for real.
Speaker 4: A special address from the president and his kid couldn't
Speaker 4: do that, but I'm sure there are like FEC and
Speaker 4: FCC rules around him doing that because he would completely
Speaker 4: disrupt like primetime programming, advertisers.
Speaker 5: You know it would be hard, so he might be
Speaker 5: able to do one.
Speaker 4: I want him to dare it and break the system.
Speaker 4: TIF Like, what we're talking about is just see what
Speaker 4: can be done doing the same thing with executive orders.
Speaker 4: If Donald Trump were in office, he damn sure would
Speaker 4: try to do this. Run it if you not going,
Speaker 4: if your campaign is really running out of money, runees,
Speaker 4: run thees instead. Special announcement from the President's Special announcement
Speaker 4: for the Secretary of Fit, Special announcement from the Vice President, says,
Speaker 4: special announcement from the Secretary of Transportation. Every night they're
Speaker 4: talking about some crisis that is at stake, and there
Speaker 4: are they don't even have to make these up.
Speaker 6: It.
Speaker 4: If you can't do it every night, do it every morning,
Speaker 4: every night, every afternoon, switch them off.
Speaker 5: Yeah, if he could do it, maybe networks we just
Speaker 5: have to opt out, which could be fine because a
Speaker 5: lot of gen z ers are not watching your Appointment
Speaker 5: Women or television Anyway.
Speaker 4: I have a.
Speaker 5: I have a question for your point, Angela. I think
Speaker 5: when we hearing you lay out strategy for a campaign,
Speaker 5: I am struck at the parallels between the media and
Speaker 5: the campaign. What the common thread is. They are afraid
Speaker 5: of us, they are afraid of authenticity, and they are
Speaker 5: afraid of black people. I often tell people if you're
Speaker 5: listening if you're not a black person, and you're listening
Speaker 5: to a black person who makes you comfortable, that's the
Speaker 5: wrong black person. If you're listening to a black person
Speaker 5: who makes you uncomfortable, that's the person you need to
Speaker 5: be paying attention to. They more likely speak on behalf
Speaker 5: of the community. So the fact that we disproportionately uphold
Speaker 5: this democracy, and even when you look across media, we
Speaker 5: disproportionately consume media and participate from broadcast media to social media,
Speaker 5: we take up a good space. I just wonder why
Speaker 5: it is so effing hard that we have to fight
Speaker 5: to be in these spaces and that our truth is
Speaker 5: offensive to people, So then we're silenced in sidelined. Same
Speaker 5: thing happening on a campaign, same thing happening across media,
Speaker 5: No shade to anybody. Is a hard time in media.
Speaker 5: But literally more people listen to this podcast than they
Speaker 5: are tuned into CNN primetime when there is no breaking
Speaker 5: news now with CNN, ever, put the three of us
Speaker 5: on air on the show together, No, will they give
Speaker 5: the old get off my lawn White Man Bill Maher
Speaker 5: more time? Yes, because they are only interested in centering
Speaker 5: themselves This contributes to my apathy, where a part of
Speaker 5: me feels like, you know what, you want to turn
Speaker 5: this fucking democracy over to this fascist, go right ahead,
Speaker 5: just do it. The only thing that stops me from
Speaker 5: saying that is because I have loved ones here, I
Speaker 5: have community here. My ancestors built this country, as Angela reminds.
Speaker 4: For free.
Speaker 5: They don't get to take it. They took it once.
Speaker 5: They don't get to take it twice, like we have
Speaker 5: to take our claim here. But it is disheartening to
Speaker 5: go through all the effing time to watch it every
Speaker 5: day and have people go out there and spit some
Speaker 5: granola vanilla bullshit to make the people sit into the
Speaker 5: left and the right of them comfortable. To have to
Speaker 5: read these bylines that are highly offensive and so grossly
Speaker 5: out of touch, it's just exhausting. It's exhausting. So I'm
Speaker 5: just noted by that through line. I do want to
Speaker 5: ask you, because we are getting coming up on time,
Speaker 5: how are you guys managing your mental health? Because I'm Angela,
Speaker 5: I hear the tension in your voice.
Speaker 4: Andrew.
Speaker 5: You are always sage and steady handed, but it's still
Speaker 5: something that impact. I know you feel our same frustration.
Speaker 5: You just present differently. What are y'all doing to keep
Speaker 5: you cool? Y'all know what I'm doing, But what are
Speaker 5: y'all doing?
Speaker 1: I'm doing what you're doing when we together?
Speaker 4: I am I need a book, a therapy appointment. Seriously,
Speaker 4: I am feeling like PTSD from the twenty sixteen election.
Speaker 4: I am just feeling like it is inevitable. And I
Speaker 4: didn't feel that way going up into the election, but
Speaker 4: you guys know, I talk about the story all the
Speaker 4: time where I was prostrate on my floor, like I
Speaker 4: can't believe this happened, and the feeling that that is
Speaker 4: inevitable to me is more than I can bear. I
Speaker 4: just I don't want that for myself. I don't want
Speaker 4: that for the ancestors. I don't want that for the
Speaker 4: future generations. I'm so afraid that people are not taking
Speaker 4: this as seriously as they ought. I know there are
Speaker 4: many of us, and you talked about, you know, the
Speaker 4: two different sides that you're hearing from, Tiff, and there
Speaker 4: is a middle. There are people who are on the
Speaker 4: spectrum who change their minds. I've changed our mind to
Speaker 4: listen to Andrew and believe him and support his positions.
Speaker 4: While I was arguing my point, you know, and so
Speaker 4: I don't really know what we do. I would say
Speaker 4: every day if I had a call to action for folks,
Speaker 4: it's remembered to breathe, to take stock of where we are.
Speaker 4: When worry is just thinking about what is to come.
Speaker 4: It's not here yet. There are some things we still
Speaker 4: have to do. I think Tiff and I have to
Speaker 4: work through both anger and apathy and then with everything
Speaker 4: that comes in between there and somewhere between that anger
Speaker 4: and that apathy is righteous action. And I hope that
Speaker 4: we can just stay focused on what is in our
Speaker 4: hands to do. We know that we are capable, we
Speaker 4: know we are able, we know God is able. Let's
Speaker 4: get to work. Let's get to work.
Speaker 1: I love that.
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