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This is episode twenty eight of The 0:00:42.560 --> 0:00:48.120 Native Lampard, and there are one hundred and ten days 0:00:48.320 --> 0:00:52.400 until election Day. I'm just gonna go ahead and not 0:00:52.520 --> 0:00:57.440 bury the lead and say this has been a crazy 0:00:57.760 --> 0:01:00.560 past couple of days, maybe past couple of weeks, maybe 0:01:00.560 --> 0:01:05.119 even the past couple of months, but today's episode won't 0:01:05.120 --> 0:01:07.679 go the way that we normally do it. If you 0:01:07.720 --> 0:01:12.440 were an addict to regimen, I'm gonna upset you now 0:01:12.480 --> 0:01:17.880 and just say that we'll be a bit unscripted unagendaed 0:01:18.080 --> 0:01:24.480 and unregimented because myself, along with my co host Angela 0:01:24.600 --> 0:01:29.640 Raie and Tiffany Cross, decided that we wanted to have 0:01:29.680 --> 0:01:33.600 a more I think, straightforward conversation with each other and 0:01:33.640 --> 0:01:38.559 with you about what's been happening in our country of late. 0:01:38.760 --> 0:01:42.279 I mean, WTF. I was gonna say what it means, 0:01:42.319 --> 0:01:45.560 but I don't want Angela daddy and her godfather and 0:01:45.600 --> 0:01:49.000 my mother my mother in law coming after me, so 0:01:50.440 --> 0:01:52.840 we'll we'll just get into it. I was going to 0:01:52.920 --> 0:01:54.920 do a rundown of all the things that have happened, 0:01:54.960 --> 0:01:57.840 ladies since we last saw each other, but I think 0:01:57.880 --> 0:02:02.400 it'll probably come out through the conversation and just as 0:02:02.880 --> 0:02:08.320 you know, things that felt strange for us. Imagine what 0:02:08.440 --> 0:02:11.360 the regular, you know, run of the mill, just trying 0:02:11.360 --> 0:02:13.960 to get up, go to work, handle your family, your business, 0:02:14.480 --> 0:02:16.079 and at the same time you're trying to make sure 0:02:16.120 --> 0:02:21.040 that you still have a country underneath you. It's been 0:02:21.120 --> 0:02:23.840 rough what's been on y'all's mind lately. First of all, 0:02:23.880 --> 0:02:24.400 welcome home. 0:02:24.600 --> 0:02:27.120 Welcome home. It's hard to even celebrate that. I feel 0:02:27.160 --> 0:02:30.880 so melancholy right now, and Andrew, I thank you for that. 0:02:30.960 --> 0:02:33.800 If we could classify this episode in anything, I would 0:02:33.800 --> 0:02:37.160 say it is a special news report. It is. It is, 0:02:37.440 --> 0:02:40.600 yea one of those moments where you ti you, I 0:02:40.800 --> 0:02:43.880 just see you shaking your hair. What you got No nothing? 0:02:43.960 --> 0:02:47.200 Go ahead, go ahead, No, go for it. No, No, 0:02:47.360 --> 0:02:48.480 I'm listening you. 0:02:49.160 --> 0:02:49.480 I wasn't. 0:02:49.520 --> 0:02:51.000 I didn't mean to interrupt you. Go ahead, I'm listening. 0:02:51.600 --> 0:02:53.440 You know. It's one of those moments where you just 0:02:53.520 --> 0:02:55.960 it's like, it's not business as usual. And I think 0:02:56.000 --> 0:02:59.280 that it's been not business as usual in this country 0:02:59.280 --> 0:03:03.320 for some time, but it literally took something like this 0:03:03.400 --> 0:03:06.960 to happen for folks everywhere to kind of snap out 0:03:07.000 --> 0:03:09.880 of it. I think on this podcast, we've been saying 0:03:10.040 --> 0:03:13.200 that there's an existential threat with the Supreme Court, that 0:03:13.240 --> 0:03:16.440 there's an existential threat with what's happening in the United 0:03:16.480 --> 0:03:19.359 States House of Representatives, with the number of times they 0:03:19.400 --> 0:03:22.160 had to try to elect a speaker. It's been an 0:03:22.160 --> 0:03:25.639 existential threat. With books being banned in school districts throughout 0:03:25.639 --> 0:03:30.040 the country, it's been in exist existential threat. When you 0:03:30.120 --> 0:03:33.200 talk about voting rights being taken out by the Supreme 0:03:33.240 --> 0:03:36.200 Court in twenty thirteen, it has been this way. It 0:03:36.320 --> 0:03:39.680 was with Dobbs. It was with the Affirmative action ruling 0:03:39.760 --> 0:03:43.360 last summer, it was with the guns ruling this summer. 0:03:43.920 --> 0:03:47.160 It has been a threat. It has been a concern. 0:03:47.240 --> 0:03:50.200 We have justices on the Supreme Court who have no 0:03:50.360 --> 0:03:54.080 ethics restrictions about what kinds of gifts they can take take. 0:03:54.240 --> 0:03:56.920 It has been a threat since two thousand, when the 0:03:56.960 --> 0:04:00.000 elector Or College ran away from what the popular vote wanted. 0:04:00.200 --> 0:04:03.960 It was an existential threat when Hillary Clinton won the 0:04:04.000 --> 0:04:07.000 popular vote. This is where we are, and this is 0:04:07.040 --> 0:04:09.760 the alarm that many of us have been sounding for many, 0:04:09.800 --> 0:04:14.080 many years. So people are talking about Project twenty twenty 0:04:14.120 --> 0:04:16.680 five and how it's not even here yet, and how 0:04:16.680 --> 0:04:18.440 we don't have to deal with it yet because there 0:04:18.440 --> 0:04:20.640 are things that are at present. What if I told 0:04:20.640 --> 0:04:23.080 you that Project twenty twenty five was in the works 0:04:23.080 --> 0:04:26.200 in nineteen eighty four, in eighty eight, right like it 0:04:26.240 --> 0:04:29.599 has been here. This is not new to any of us. 0:04:29.680 --> 0:04:33.760 This is something that has been planned and now it 0:04:33.839 --> 0:04:37.040 is finally coming to pass. And I think the most 0:04:37.040 --> 0:04:40.719 scary thing to me is that many of us it 0:04:40.839 --> 0:04:43.480 seems like I don't want to pass judgment on anyone 0:04:43.839 --> 0:04:47.640 watching this or hearing us it seems to me that 0:04:47.760 --> 0:04:52.039 there is no longer a clear line between what is 0:04:52.120 --> 0:04:55.440 real and what is fake. It seems to me that 0:04:55.480 --> 0:04:59.679 people have blurred the lines between reality and reality TV. 0:05:00.400 --> 0:05:04.360 Everything cannot be for our entertainment. This is not about 0:05:04.400 --> 0:05:06.719 how the story ends in the credits role when the 0:05:06.760 --> 0:05:09.840 credits roll, So do we like? We are in the 0:05:10.240 --> 0:05:14.360 political crisis, the biggest one of our lifetimes. We say 0:05:14.400 --> 0:05:18.279 on this pod often it is not just a election 0:05:18.480 --> 0:05:21.800 an election, It is a political war. And I think 0:05:21.839 --> 0:05:25.440 whatever the next decision is before us lands us right there, 0:05:25.480 --> 0:05:28.320 and it is frightening. I deal with a lot of anxiety. 0:05:28.720 --> 0:05:32.160 I've had trouble sleeping, I've had trouble thinking through what 0:05:32.240 --> 0:05:34.520 all of this means. I can tell you what my 0:05:34.600 --> 0:05:37.360 worst fears are. I can tell you what my highest 0:05:37.400 --> 0:05:39.880 hopes are, and the highest hopes are few and far between. 0:05:40.200 --> 0:05:44.039 I am deeply, deeply, deeply concerned about where we are. 0:05:45.160 --> 0:05:49.279 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I feel you and for those who 0:05:49.279 --> 0:05:52.320 have been under rock. If we just went backwards we 0:05:52.400 --> 0:05:56.160 had yesterday with Eileen Cannon's throwing out two days ago, 0:05:56.400 --> 0:05:58.880 a few days ago, throwing out charges against Trump, we 0:05:58.920 --> 0:06:01.479 are in the middle of the con Republican Convention. We've 0:06:01.520 --> 0:06:07.920 got the assassination attempt from this past weekend, We've got 0:06:07.960 --> 0:06:11.279 the media response to that, and the good people and 0:06:11.360 --> 0:06:14.520 bad people on both sides argument. It's just been crazy. 0:06:14.600 --> 0:06:20.240 Tiff as a as a journalist now opining politically, like, 0:06:21.279 --> 0:06:23.040 how do you sit in this moment right now? 0:06:25.120 --> 0:06:28.200 One, I appreciate how you pose that question because that 0:06:28.360 --> 0:06:31.679 is so often not posed that way, and the media 0:06:31.760 --> 0:06:35.240 just drives me crazy as a journalist who was opining 0:06:35.320 --> 0:06:37.920 this is my opinion, my political opinion. I'm not reporting 0:06:37.960 --> 0:06:41.760 anything here. I'm just disgusted by it. I mean, I 0:06:41.760 --> 0:06:47.480 echo Angelo's frustration, I echo your somber tone, and probably 0:06:47.600 --> 0:06:52.400 you know, most of our listening audiences increasing apathy and 0:06:52.440 --> 0:06:56.320 anger about what's happening in the country. I know I 0:06:56.400 --> 0:06:58.760 had to tune out a lot of the media landscape 0:06:59.000 --> 0:07:03.719 when this, when the political violence happened on Saturday. I 0:07:03.760 --> 0:07:06.680 want to be clear that we still don't know. There 0:07:06.720 --> 0:07:10.200 is conflicting reporting about whether Donald Trump was shot or 0:07:10.240 --> 0:07:15.720 not the shooter who was firing rounds from an AR fifteen. 0:07:17.280 --> 0:07:19.440 Trump says that one of those bullets hit him and 0:07:19.480 --> 0:07:22.080 grazed his ear. Some gun experts say if an AR 0:07:22.160 --> 0:07:24.480 fifteen bullet hit him, it would not They would not 0:07:24.520 --> 0:07:27.000 have grazed his ear. His ear would be gone. There's 0:07:27.040 --> 0:07:29.960 reporting that it was actually shrapnel from the teleprompter that 0:07:30.040 --> 0:07:33.120 actually cut his ear. But what do facts matter anymore 0:07:33.200 --> 0:07:38.200 because the media, the media immediately went to treat him 0:07:38.240 --> 0:07:43.080 with kid gloves, and both sides this idea that there 0:07:43.120 --> 0:07:46.800 is a ramped up tone of violence in both parties, 0:07:46.840 --> 0:07:51.200 which is not true. We have much evidence of Donald 0:07:51.240 --> 0:07:54.880 Trump even encouraging his rally attendees to inflict violence on 0:07:54.960 --> 0:07:57.160 other people. He's offered to pay the legal bills of 0:07:57.200 --> 0:08:02.560 other people. And it's with that swift bullet everything that 0:08:02.600 --> 0:08:05.640 we know about the former president went out the window. 0:08:06.000 --> 0:08:08.360 And what we know is that this is a man 0:08:09.280 --> 0:08:12.440 who is a convicted felon. I don't use that as 0:08:12.440 --> 0:08:15.000 a pejorative. I'm saying those are the fast. This is 0:08:15.040 --> 0:08:22.480 a man who had Kisliak, a senior person in Putin's administration, 0:08:22.760 --> 0:08:25.600 a hostile government to the United States. He had this 0:08:25.680 --> 0:08:28.040 man Kisliak in the Oval Office. While he was in 0:08:28.080 --> 0:08:32.120 the Oval Office, he is pushing ideologies and agenda that 0:08:32.160 --> 0:08:34.880 would benefit Putin. Do youy' all find it suspicious that 0:08:34.960 --> 0:08:37.600 he started ramping up the talk about we don't need 0:08:37.679 --> 0:08:39.880 to be spending all this money in Ukraine, and then 0:08:39.880 --> 0:08:41.960 all of a sudden, Marjorie Taylor Green picked that up, 0:08:41.960 --> 0:08:44.320 and then all of a sudden, all the Republican leaders 0:08:44.360 --> 0:08:47.320 started picking that up. And that would benefit who Vladimir 0:08:47.360 --> 0:08:49.640 putin because big Brother in the United States is sending 0:08:49.679 --> 0:08:51.480 a whole lot of money over there. We don't talk 0:08:51.520 --> 0:08:54.840 about that. We can't draw those logical connections in the media. 0:08:55.760 --> 0:08:58.160 We don't talk about Project twenty twenty five in the media. 0:08:58.160 --> 0:09:00.000 And I want to take a moment to let our viewers, 0:09:00.000 --> 0:09:01.760 I know a lot of you all say, please talk 0:09:01.760 --> 0:09:04.200 about Project twenty five. Please talk about Projects twenty five. 0:09:04.480 --> 0:09:07.240 We did that. There is an episode available right now 0:09:07.280 --> 0:09:09.160 called Project twenty five. So I would encourage you a 0:09:09.160 --> 0:09:10.920 how to take as into stay tuned because I think 0:09:10.920 --> 0:09:13.560 that's something that will thank you. That's the title. What 0:09:13.720 --> 0:09:16.400 is Project twenty twenty five. So you can find that 0:09:16.440 --> 0:09:18.640 as available on YouTube anywhere you get your podcasts, and 0:09:18.640 --> 0:09:21.199 that's something that the three of us will be revisiting 0:09:21.240 --> 0:09:23.600 in the coming week. So stay tuned. But I just 0:09:23.640 --> 0:09:27.640 have to say I'm absolutely disgusted. I'm watching the core 0:09:27.840 --> 0:09:32.600 democratic institutions of our country erode. And media is such 0:09:32.600 --> 0:09:35.080 an important vehicle because that's how most people get their 0:09:35.120 --> 0:09:39.200 information and across print and broadcasts. All weekend, I saw 0:09:39.240 --> 0:09:43.840 people saying we all need to tamp down our tone. 0:09:44.600 --> 0:09:46.839 I wonder what my co host thing, because I say, 0:09:46.880 --> 0:09:48.960 we don't need to tamp down shit. We need to 0:09:48.960 --> 0:09:53.000 start being very honest and direct and speaking to people 0:09:53.160 --> 0:09:55.920 with a righteous anger that we are all entitled to 0:09:56.240 --> 0:09:58.240 about what's happening. And I want to point out what 0:09:58.240 --> 0:10:01.600 Angel was saying. We tried to tell you, like, whenever 0:10:01.640 --> 0:10:05.160 you want to see violent political violence, black folks know 0:10:05.200 --> 0:10:07.560 about that. This ain't the first time we seen political violence. 0:10:07.559 --> 0:10:10.280 We've been the victims and survivors of political violence since 0:10:10.280 --> 0:10:12.679 we were kidnapped and had the humanity beat out of 0:10:12.760 --> 0:10:14.720 us in this country for the past four hundred years. 0:10:15.240 --> 0:10:17.120 When we try to wave our arms and say, hey, 0:10:17.160 --> 0:10:20.600 you guys are electing yet another white supremacists to the office, 0:10:20.600 --> 0:10:22.440 but this time this white supremacy is going to screw 0:10:22.480 --> 0:10:27.600 you all over too, nobody listen. So I I am 0:10:27.800 --> 0:10:31.920 just exhausted and I'm getting apathetic. I'm going to vote 0:10:31.960 --> 0:10:34.920 in November because we have to. But I just wonder 0:10:34.960 --> 0:10:39.600 how y'all are feeling about trying to save a country 0:10:40.000 --> 0:10:46.160 that so frequently dismisses our humanity, that so often discards 0:10:46.200 --> 0:10:53.480 our warnings, that so routinely disregards our lived experience in 0:10:53.520 --> 0:10:55.840 this country. Because I'm getting a little exhausted with it. 0:10:56.280 --> 0:10:58.520 Yeah, yeah, I feel you. I thought you were going 0:11:00.160 --> 0:11:02.199 without saving a country that don't want to be saved, 0:11:06.679 --> 0:11:11.400 just just don't want to be saved. And there's so 0:11:11.440 --> 0:11:14.760 many different directions. I feel like, you know, I can 0:11:14.800 --> 0:11:18.840 go emotionally, I was, I was. I was probably not 0:11:18.960 --> 0:11:24.120 at my best on Saturday, because immediately I saw journalists. 0:11:24.160 --> 0:11:26.800 You know, these are people who are seasoned and and 0:11:26.800 --> 0:11:34.200 and supposedly well trained and jumping to this sort of 0:11:34.360 --> 0:11:38.319 equity equality between what Democrats have been saying and what 0:11:38.320 --> 0:11:41.359 what's been coming out of Republicans, and not just Republicans, 0:11:41.360 --> 0:11:45.840 but the lead chief Republican, Donald Trump himself, and now JD. Vance, 0:11:46.440 --> 0:11:51.440 his vice president, who nominee who went directly to blame 0:11:51.480 --> 0:11:54.680 me Democrats for the political never mind, the man's got 0:11:54.760 --> 0:11:57.800 you know, the shooter allegedly has Trump signs in his yard. 0:11:58.200 --> 0:12:01.520 Never mind, that he's a registered Republican. Uh. The only 0:12:01.640 --> 0:12:03.160 fact they wanted to throw out was that he gave 0:12:03.200 --> 0:12:07.840 fourteen dollars on on on Act Blue to some cause 0:12:08.000 --> 0:12:11.440 that that that that we don't know of. But I 0:12:11.480 --> 0:12:15.280 was disgusted, you know, watching this interview from uh, you know, 0:12:15.559 --> 0:12:19.200 I'll just say Lester Hope and Vice President Biden where 0:12:19.200 --> 0:12:22.319 he says, when when you said we've got to put 0:12:22.360 --> 0:12:25.880 the focus or put Trump at the centerfold. 0:12:25.320 --> 0:12:28.160 Of bulls eye fighting the bullseye. 0:12:27.760 --> 0:12:32.040 Bullseye, he said, bulls eyes that's right, not crossairs, which 0:12:32.080 --> 0:12:34.720 is a difference, right, bullseye at the center of the conversation. 0:12:35.440 --> 0:12:38.600 Do you think you've contributed? And I'm thinking, you've got to. 0:12:38.559 --> 0:12:40.640 Be got to be to be kidding me. 0:12:41.120 --> 0:12:43.480 You've got to be kidding me. And I turned it 0:12:43.520 --> 0:12:47.480 off after Biden ripped him fail like it just it 0:12:47.720 --> 0:12:48.920 just And. 0:12:48.880 --> 0:12:51.040 What Tipp is just saying, even about the epic fail 0:12:51.280 --> 0:12:55.400 the epic failure is to the country, to the viewer, yes, 0:12:55.640 --> 0:12:59.560 and to your craft, like as as a journalist, how like, 0:12:59.679 --> 0:13:02.679 don't try to make this something it's not. And that's 0:13:02.720 --> 0:13:06.520 exactly what I was saying about reality TV versus reality 0:13:06.640 --> 0:13:10.440 y'all when the credits roll. Here, We're done. This isn't 0:13:10.480 --> 0:13:13.520 an ending where the next season comes like this is 0:13:13.559 --> 0:13:16.400 the season finale of America if there is not an 0:13:16.400 --> 0:13:19.080 immediate shift and pivot and drum sorry, I mean it. 0:13:19.240 --> 0:13:22.040 Just holy no, no, no, I mean this is a conversation. 0:13:22.120 --> 0:13:22.360 I don't. 0:13:22.360 --> 0:13:24.199 I don't, I don't actually don't have a platitude to 0:13:24.240 --> 0:13:27.960 get on other than to say that, you know, we 0:13:28.040 --> 0:13:32.680 have we have relied on institutions and so many ways 0:13:32.720 --> 0:13:35.920 to be redeeming. They're they're rarely ever on time with 0:13:36.000 --> 0:13:40.160 their redeeming and their redeemable value. But from the Supreme Court, 0:13:40.200 --> 0:13:45.920 who just crowned a king and cemented it now in 0:13:46.240 --> 0:13:52.640 the language of the highest court in the land, to 0:13:53.240 --> 0:13:58.800 isilin Cannon summarily dismissing what I think most experts would 0:13:58.800 --> 0:14:03.160 say was the strongest case against the wrongdoing, that that this, 0:14:03.360 --> 0:14:06.640 that this former president has undertaken it, and she doesn't 0:14:06.640 --> 0:14:09.120 in her nine to whatever pages one hundred and pages 0:14:09.600 --> 0:14:13.720 didn't once reference the case that issue. She goes after 0:14:14.120 --> 0:14:17.480 thanks to the handoff from Clarence Thomas and and and 0:14:17.600 --> 0:14:21.480 the immunity decision where he dissented and by himself decided 0:14:21.760 --> 0:14:24.440 to say that the Special Counsel's office is not constitutional, 0:14:25.200 --> 0:14:29.720 and she riffs or her Federalist society UH law clerks 0:14:29.800 --> 0:14:34.720 riffed on why it is that that is not uh, 0:14:34.880 --> 0:14:38.600 why this is illegal and therefore throwing out, you know, 0:14:38.640 --> 0:14:42.640 this case which justice is supposed to be blind and 0:14:42.640 --> 0:14:45.240 is supposed to be fair and all that you know convicted. 0:14:47.000 --> 0:14:53.520 It's buying everybody else but us. 0:14:52.000 --> 0:14:54.080 For sure, they are in no doubt about it. And 0:14:54.200 --> 0:14:56.400 the other my last I guess I do have a 0:14:56.440 --> 0:15:01.440 beef and it has been with the Democratic leadership in Washington, 0:15:01.520 --> 0:15:05.200 d C. With the exception of leaders in the Black 0:15:05.240 --> 0:15:10.240 Caucus and the Hispanic Caucus, who I think have doubled 0:15:10.240 --> 0:15:15.000 over backwards to try to handicap Joe Biden of late 0:15:15.120 --> 0:15:18.760 I mean, I listened to James Carvill on television and 0:15:19.960 --> 0:15:23.960 as of this moment is still shredding Biden. And I'm thinking, 0:15:24.160 --> 0:15:29.000 do you all realize what hell we will unleash? And 0:15:29.360 --> 0:15:32.400 less than thirty days to go before a Democratic convention 0:15:33.320 --> 0:15:37.040 where white liberals who are asked on television members of Congress, 0:15:38.080 --> 0:15:41.120 do you believe that Kamala Harris then should be the 0:15:41.160 --> 0:15:43.120 next up? Well? I don't want to get in front 0:15:43.160 --> 0:15:45.120 of the nominating process. I don't want to get in 0:15:45.120 --> 0:15:49.160 front of bigfoot, the delegate decision. I'm sorry, but you're 0:15:49.200 --> 0:15:55.040 willing to quash the millions of folks who have gone 0:15:55.080 --> 0:15:57.600 out and voted for Joe Biden up to this point 0:15:57.640 --> 0:16:00.000 in the primary. You're willing to throw all of that out. 0:16:00.760 --> 0:16:02.560 But when it comes to saying whether or not his 0:16:02.680 --> 0:16:06.360 vice president, our vice president, the next leader of the 0:16:06.360 --> 0:16:10.960 Democratic Party, should be his replacement on the ticket, all 0:16:11.000 --> 0:16:14.480 of a sudden, we want the people to decide. And 0:16:14.520 --> 0:16:19.200 I just what scares me most about this, and I've 0:16:19.240 --> 0:16:21.640 got my critiques of the administration so and so forth, 0:16:21.880 --> 0:16:24.920 is that we're just we appear willing to go head 0:16:25.000 --> 0:16:31.760 deep over the cliff with no plan for landing. We 0:16:31.800 --> 0:16:35.600 ain't got no shoot, there ain't no you know, a 0:16:35.680 --> 0:16:39.200 trampoline at the bottom, nothing it would help that. There's 0:16:39.280 --> 0:16:42.520 just no safety. There's nothing to catch us. And the problem, 0:16:42.920 --> 0:16:46.560 the problem that fears that to me, fear feels so 0:16:47.400 --> 0:16:50.760 just on the nose is we go over the cliff, 0:16:50.760 --> 0:16:53.520 black folks gonna be the first ones end of the 0:16:53.600 --> 0:16:56.840 damn dirt. Every time, we will be the first ones 0:16:56.840 --> 0:17:00.560 into the dirt. We're the ones who have so much 0:17:00.600 --> 0:17:03.680 to lose, and this whole you know, the Shenanigans and 0:17:03.720 --> 0:17:08.560 the games that are being played, and I just the 0:17:08.640 --> 0:17:12.000 polls have tightened. This is gonna be a race like 0:17:12.000 --> 0:17:16.000 it has been the last several presidential elections, very close 0:17:16.119 --> 0:17:20.120 up into the end. And Guys, if the president who's 0:17:20.119 --> 0:17:21.920 the only one who can make this decision, is saying 0:17:22.040 --> 0:17:25.560 I'm staying in, he's ten toes deep as you'd like 0:17:25.600 --> 0:17:29.840 to say, Angela, and his decision here down tense. Okay, 0:17:31.240 --> 0:17:33.600 all that to say, he's not changing his mind, it appears, 0:17:34.080 --> 0:17:35.919 and he's the only one who could bow out and 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:40.399 say I released my delegates. Then can we just stop 0:17:40.440 --> 0:17:45.159 weakening the man? Can we just stop hitting him at 0:17:45.160 --> 0:17:48.159 the knees left and right. Joe Biden has always been 0:17:48.200 --> 0:17:51.720 a gaff machine. He's been that yesterday and he's been 0:17:51.760 --> 0:17:53.640 that thirty forty years ago. 0:17:54.880 --> 0:17:57.199 So I you know, I see this part differently than you. 0:17:57.280 --> 0:18:00.840 But I want you wait. Tip was going to weigh 0:18:00.800 --> 0:18:02.360 in a little bit ago, so I want to wait too. 0:18:02.359 --> 0:18:04.080 Well, we got to run to a break to pay 0:18:04.119 --> 0:18:05.960 some bills. But on the other side, I'll weigh in 0:18:06.000 --> 0:18:07.960 and I have a question for you guys, So stay tuned. 0:18:08.000 --> 0:18:19.960 We'll be right back. All right, Welcome back everybody, Natal Lampod. 0:18:19.960 --> 0:18:23.520 We're digging into the events that happened this past weekend 0:18:23.720 --> 0:18:25.920 and weighing in on all the mayhem that's happening in 0:18:25.960 --> 0:18:28.040 America right now, and we thank you guys for joining us. 0:18:28.080 --> 0:18:29.680 We missed you. We were at Essence last week, but 0:18:29.720 --> 0:18:32.520 we're happy to be back in community with each other today. 0:18:32.720 --> 0:18:36.879 We left off talking about the myriad of things plague 0:18:36.880 --> 0:18:38.440 in the country right now. But what I want to 0:18:38.440 --> 0:18:40.479 ask you, guys, because what I've noticed a lot of 0:18:40.520 --> 0:18:45.480 conversation happening across the country is the legitimacy of this 0:18:45.640 --> 0:18:50.520 quote unquote assassination attempt. Now, you know, I was disappointed 0:18:50.600 --> 0:18:53.800 in across media, like nobody wanted to touch this, and 0:18:53.840 --> 0:18:56.040 it is a very dangerous topic to touch because if 0:18:56.040 --> 0:18:58.920 this had happened to Joe Biden, you know, we would 0:18:59.000 --> 0:19:01.600 not be questioning was real or was it not. I 0:19:01.640 --> 0:19:07.080 only pose this question because our friend, our friend in common, 0:19:07.160 --> 0:19:10.760 Keith Boyken, posted a video of what happened when Ronald 0:19:10.800 --> 0:19:14.480 Reagan had an assassination attempt on his life at what 0:19:14.560 --> 0:19:18.080 is now the infamous Hilton Hinckley hotel right here in Washington. 0:19:17.760 --> 0:19:17.960 D C. 0:19:18.359 --> 0:19:21.120 The response was very different. So I think it does 0:19:21.160 --> 0:19:25.800 post a legitimate question of was this something that you know, 0:19:25.920 --> 0:19:28.520 unbeknownst to Trump? But was this something that somebody else 0:19:28.560 --> 0:19:31.159 wanted to happen as a part of a stunt. I 0:19:31.200 --> 0:19:33.720 don't necessarily think so, but that was a question, and 0:19:33.720 --> 0:19:36.080 I want to acknowledge that people were asking that. And 0:19:37.119 --> 0:19:42.360 the other piece of this is was the Secret Service 0:19:42.600 --> 0:19:46.000 lackadaisical in their response? Was it responsible of them to 0:19:46.080 --> 0:19:48.800 let this man stand there and throw his fist in 0:19:48.840 --> 0:19:52.000 the air and get his shoes and all those things 0:19:52.040 --> 0:19:55.840 that the things that happened around it seemed very inappropriate 0:19:55.880 --> 0:19:57.959 to me, And I'm curious what you guys thought about it. 0:19:58.680 --> 0:20:02.320 You know, I I've been wrestling with this quite a bit. 0:20:02.520 --> 0:20:05.520 I feel like my biggest frustration with media has been 0:20:06.240 --> 0:20:11.680 that they're saying assassination attempt while an investigation is ongoing 0:20:11.720 --> 0:20:15.000 to determine what exactly it was. To me, it should 0:20:15.040 --> 0:20:20.800 be an alleged assassination attempt and not anything more than that. 0:20:21.000 --> 0:20:23.800 I think the other thing is Donald Trump's own words 0:20:23.840 --> 0:20:26.760 in a car call that he had with RFK where 0:20:26.800 --> 0:20:30.280 he said it felt like a large mosquito bite. So 0:20:30.320 --> 0:20:32.399 if that's the guy, I don't know anybody that get won. 0:20:32.480 --> 0:20:34.760 I don't know anybody that gets hit gets hit by 0:20:34.800 --> 0:20:37.640 an AR fifteen and survives too. I don't know anybody 0:20:37.680 --> 0:20:41.439 that would say that it felt like a mosquito bite. Also, 0:20:43.080 --> 0:20:47.199 I'm not a ballistics forensic expert, but it also seems 0:20:47.240 --> 0:20:49.720 to me that there may have been an issue with 0:20:49.840 --> 0:20:53.000 hearing after being hit in the air with even grazed 0:20:53.000 --> 0:20:55.520 by a bullet. And it's something that if I were 0:20:55.560 --> 0:20:59.080 in a courtroom, I would probably raise on cross no 0:20:59.200 --> 0:21:03.480 pun intendative to ask that question, you know. And I'm 0:21:03.520 --> 0:21:09.040 really struggling with this. I am not trying to delegitimize, 0:21:09.320 --> 0:21:12.480 you know, paining or harm sent in his direction, but 0:21:12.600 --> 0:21:16.240 I am questioning given how they've used it, given the 0:21:16.280 --> 0:21:19.480 timing of it. Donald Trump gets up. If you think 0:21:19.520 --> 0:21:21.679 you've been shot, do you really throw up a fist 0:21:21.720 --> 0:21:24.040 and know it wasn't the black power fist? Let's be clear, 0:21:25.000 --> 0:21:29.880 when you are just about to pick your vice presidential candidate, 0:21:29.920 --> 0:21:32.320 when you are not in the news, because what's been 0:21:32.320 --> 0:21:35.080 in the news is who is in the Democratic Party 0:21:35.119 --> 0:21:38.680 who could take over for Joe Biden, who has been 0:21:39.440 --> 0:21:42.400 in the news more often than you. Even if negative. 0:21:42.440 --> 0:21:44.880 They say, any press is good press. So he wasn't 0:21:44.880 --> 0:21:47.320 getting the run that he once had. The last big 0:21:47.400 --> 0:21:50.760 run he had were about criminal convictions and charges and 0:21:50.800 --> 0:21:53.600 whether or not he would still be liable after the 0:21:53.680 --> 0:21:57.760 Supreme Court ruling. In addition to all of that, the 0:21:57.800 --> 0:22:00.280 start of the RNC was a mere two days later. 0:22:00.680 --> 0:22:04.800 So pardon me for being a little skeptical about the 0:22:04.840 --> 0:22:07.480 timing of it all. I haven't been paying attention either. 0:22:07.560 --> 0:22:10.280 I had to, like you tip, tune out of the news. 0:22:10.880 --> 0:22:12.560 I was in the car with my parents here, I 0:22:12.560 --> 0:22:14.399 was like, y'all, can we turn this off? I feel 0:22:14.480 --> 0:22:16.800 dirty like I did when I used to watch love 0:22:16.800 --> 0:22:18.760 and Hip Hop. No shade d y'all, but that's how 0:22:18.800 --> 0:22:21.280 I used to feel. I did one marathon and I 0:22:21.320 --> 0:22:22.560 was like, you know what, I can't even do it 0:22:22.600 --> 0:22:25.679 no more. Jesus is calling me onward, and so this 0:22:25.800 --> 0:22:27.520 is that. I felt the same way watching this. It 0:22:27.560 --> 0:22:31.080 felt like a trashy reality TV show, you know, And 0:22:31.119 --> 0:22:35.360 that's my truth. I cannot watch this man get lifted 0:22:35.440 --> 0:22:40.959 into like idol status because I can't. I'm like what 0:22:41.080 --> 0:22:43.720 is it? He's not Jesus the christ Man, like what 0:22:43.880 --> 0:22:47.880 is happening? So it's it's hard and I'm I'm honestly, y'all, 0:22:47.920 --> 0:22:50.960 I'm struggling with tapping into any type of empathy here 0:22:51.320 --> 0:22:55.080 because it's like, what is this stunt? What is this craziness? 0:22:55.640 --> 0:22:57.919 You know? That's how I feel. I'm not that's not 0:22:58.440 --> 0:23:01.199 it's not reporting Tiff, It's how I feel about it. 0:23:01.359 --> 0:23:01.560 You know. 0:23:02.200 --> 0:23:04.440 That's why I'm being very careful in how we say 0:23:04.440 --> 0:23:06.399 this because I do think had this happen to Joe Biden, 0:23:06.440 --> 0:23:07.800 I don't think the three of us would raise the 0:23:07.840 --> 0:23:10.480