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Speaker 1: Welcome home, y'all. This is episode twenty eight of The

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Speaker 1: Native Lampard, and there are one hundred and ten days

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Speaker 1: until election Day. I'm just gonna go ahead and not

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Speaker 1: bury the lead and say this has been a crazy

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Speaker 1: past couple of days, maybe past couple of weeks, maybe

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Speaker 1: even the past couple of months, but today's episode won't

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Speaker 1: go the way that we normally do it. If you

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Speaker 1: were an addict to regimen, I'm gonna upset you now

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Speaker 1: and just say that we'll be a bit unscripted unagendaed

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Speaker 1: and unregimented because myself, along with my co host Angela

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Speaker 1: Raie and Tiffany Cross, decided that we wanted to have

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Speaker 1: a more I think, straightforward conversation with each other and

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Speaker 1: with you about what's been happening in our country of late.

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Speaker 1: I mean, WTF. I was gonna say what it means,

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Speaker 1: but I don't want Angela daddy and her godfather and

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Speaker 1: my mother my mother in law coming after me, so

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Speaker 1: we'll we'll just get into it. I was going to

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Speaker 1: do a rundown of all the things that have happened,

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Speaker 1: ladies since we last saw each other, but I think

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Speaker 1: it'll probably come out through the conversation and just as

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Speaker 1: you know, things that felt strange for us. Imagine what

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Speaker 1: the regular, you know, run of the mill, just trying

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Speaker 1: to get up, go to work, handle your family, your business,

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Speaker 1: and at the same time you're trying to make sure

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Speaker 1: that you still have a country underneath you. It's been

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Speaker 1: rough what's been on y'all's mind lately. First of all,

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Speaker 1: welcome home.

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Speaker 4: Welcome home. It's hard to even celebrate that. I feel

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Speaker 4: so melancholy right now, and Andrew, I thank you for that.

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Speaker 4: If we could classify this episode in anything, I would

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Speaker 4: say it is a special news report. It is. It is,

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Speaker 4: yea one of those moments where you ti you, I

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Speaker 4: just see you shaking your hair. What you got No nothing?

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Speaker 5: Go ahead, go ahead, No, go for it. No, No,

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Speaker 5: I'm listening you.

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Speaker 5: I didn't mean to interrupt you. Go ahead, I'm listening.

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Speaker 4: You know. It's one of those moments where you just

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Speaker 4: it's like, it's not business as usual. And I think

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Speaker 4: that it's been not business as usual in this country

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Speaker 4: for some time, but it literally took something like this

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Speaker 4: to happen for folks everywhere to kind of snap out

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Speaker 4: of it. I think on this podcast, we've been saying

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Speaker 4: that there's an existential threat with the Supreme Court, that

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Speaker 4: there's an existential threat with what's happening in the United

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Speaker 4: States House of Representatives, with the number of times they

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Speaker 4: existential threat. With books being banned in school districts throughout

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Speaker 4: the country, it's been in exist existential threat. When you

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Speaker 4: Court in twenty thirteen, it has been this way. It

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Speaker 4: was with Dobbs. It was with the Affirmative action ruling

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Speaker 4: It has been a threat. It has been a concern.

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Speaker 4: political crisis, the biggest one of our lifetimes. We say

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Speaker 4: and it is frightening. I deal with a lot of anxiety.

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Speaker 4: I've had trouble sleeping, I've had trouble thinking through what

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Speaker 4: I am deeply, deeply, deeply concerned about where we are.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I feel you and for those who

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Speaker 1: the media response to that, and the good people and

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Speaker 1: Tiff as a as a journalist now opining politically, like,

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Speaker 1: how do you sit in this moment right now?

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Speaker 5: One, I appreciate how you pose that question because that

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Speaker 5: this is my opinion, my political opinion. I'm not reporting

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Speaker 5: anything here. I'm just disgusted by it. I mean, I

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Speaker 5: echo Angelo's frustration, I echo your somber tone, and probably

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Speaker 5: you know, most of our listening audiences increasing apathy and

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Speaker 5: want to be clear that we still don't know. There

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Speaker 5: is conflicting reporting about whether Donald Trump was shot or

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Speaker 5: not the shooter who was firing rounds from an AR fifteen.

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Speaker 5: Trump says that one of those bullets hit him and

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Speaker 5: because the media, the media immediately went to treat him

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Speaker 5: which is not true. We have much evidence of Donald

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Speaker 5: Trump even encouraging his rally attendees to inflict violence on

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Speaker 5: other people. And it's with that swift bullet everything that

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Speaker 5: And what we know is that this is a man

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Speaker 5: We don't talk about Project twenty twenty five in the media.

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Speaker 5: And I want to take a moment to let our viewers,

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Speaker 5: I know a lot of you all say, please talk

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Speaker 5: about Project twenty five. Please talk about Projects twenty five.

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Speaker 5: We did that. There is an episode available right now

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Speaker 5: that's something that will thank you. That's the title. What

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Speaker 5: that so frequently dismisses our humanity, that so often discards

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I feel you. I thought you were going

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Speaker 1: you know, the shooter allegedly has Trump signs in his yard.

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Speaker 4: So I you know, I see this part differently than you.

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Speaker 5: Well, we got to run to a break to pay

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Speaker 5: We left off talking about the myriad of things plague

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Speaker 4: You know, I I've been wrestling with this quite a bit.

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Speaker 5: on CNN. There are multiple Morehouse graduates who appear on

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Speaker 5: that network, and I look and think, are you e

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Speaker 5: fing kidding me. We can't get the truth from Morehouse.

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Speaker 5: And I'm not blaming the people who are saying it.

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Speaker 5: I'm blaming the fear because Andrew has taught me to

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Speaker 5: have grace for people and not expect hyenas to be lions.

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Speaker 5: And people are operating out of fear. But every time

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Speaker 5: when I hear these conversations Andrew, it's like we're legitimizing

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Speaker 5: and normalizing this race. We're talking about polls and his

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Speaker 5: VP pick. No, no, no, no no. We need to be

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Speaker 5: talking about the crisis, the existential crisis that this man is.

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Speaker 5: So you have the most empathy of us all. People

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Speaker 5: always stop me and say, I love Andrew's empathy. Do

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Speaker 5: you believe that this man? Did you watch this and think,

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Speaker 5: oh yeah, I believe everything that happened. I believe what

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Speaker 5: my eyes are seeing. I believe what they're saying about it.

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Speaker 5: I don't have a lot of questions.

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Speaker 1: I mean legitimately, I of course, like y'all, had had

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Speaker 1: questions about all of it. I don't understand how the

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Speaker 1: Secret Service allowed for a building to be outside of

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Speaker 1: its parameter less than one hundred and twenty five feet

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Speaker 1: with line of sight directly to the president. I've just

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Speaker 1: never I mean since the Grassy Noll Texas in Texas,

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Speaker 1: I thought that they had decided that they would claim

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Speaker 1: all high ground anywhere surrounding a president or a former

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Speaker 1: president or protectee if you will no, no, I mean,

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Speaker 1: you're not a race. We had private protection, yes, okay,

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Speaker 1: but but but so I would just say I generally

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Speaker 1: accept until evidence is produced otherwise that this was a

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Speaker 1: legitimate attempt. Now, the questions around it are mind boggling

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Speaker 1: to me. I mean, the fact that the the the

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Speaker 1: the director of the Secret Service got on national television

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Speaker 1: and said there was a slope in the roof and

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Speaker 1: so we decided that we would put our agents inside

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Speaker 1: the building rather than on the roof was insane and

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Speaker 1: asinine to me. I just for their safety, I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: What about the safety of the people that they are

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Speaker 1: sworn to protect. And then that reaction afterwards, the time

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Speaker 1: it took to get to him, to cover him, to

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Speaker 1: get him off, and then people's people just forgetting everything

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Speaker 1: that matters at the drop of Donald Trump to the

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Speaker 1: floor on that stage, as if there was no pre

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Speaker 1: rally Trump that matters in the context of the race

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Speaker 1: that he's running for president. All of that went out

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Speaker 1: the window. It's been out the window and the only

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Speaker 1: conversation that seems to be being had. And I really

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Speaker 1: I'd give props to Biden who did make a call

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Speaker 1: to him, who did call the now widow of the

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Speaker 1: former fire chief who passed, and as of late last

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Speaker 1: night it was her comment that she had yet to

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Speaker 1: hear from Donald Trump.

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Speaker 5: Yes, she didn't take Biden's call, right, she did.

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Speaker 1: Not take his call, but she did say she appreciated

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Speaker 1: very much him making outreach to her. And you know,

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Speaker 1: when people are in the middle of grief, I don't

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Speaker 1: judge anybody and who they choose to talk to, but

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Speaker 1: that be and God.

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Speaker 5: By the way she said she wouldn't take his call

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Speaker 5: because her husband was a staunch Republican. To me that

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Speaker 5: this is a cult like this is a weird thing

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Speaker 5: to me.

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Speaker 1: You know, their their own judgment. But but I appreciated

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Speaker 1: her giving Biden the props that he deserves for that empathy. No,

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Speaker 1: he did. He did what he did what a president

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Speaker 1: and a time like this would have done. Any normal

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Speaker 1: president who's not a narcissist would have done. The last

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Speaker 1: thing on the whole attempt is. I don't want to

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Speaker 1: connect these two things because there's no evidence to connect them,

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Speaker 1: but I do find it strange that Erdawan of Turkey

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Speaker 1: was here last week for uh the UH NATO NATO

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Speaker 1: seventieth seventy fifth anniversary. Yeah, and then took a flight

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Speaker 1: down to Donald Trump met privately with Donald Trump on

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Speaker 1: the heels of him just having left China meeting with she,

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Speaker 1: and Russia meeting with Putin, and I just it was

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Speaker 1: just such a strange thing. And I know Donald Trump,

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Speaker 1: as you already alluded to, kicks people out of the

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Speaker 1: room when he's meeting with foreign foreign governments, which is

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Speaker 1: not standard practice for a president or former president agents

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Speaker 1: of the United States. So I just can't help thinking

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Speaker 1: it's Urdawan a messenger. Is there something that's being communicated

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Speaker 1: between these authoritarian leaders dictators and she putin Erduwan and

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Speaker 1: now Donald Trump. I just think we deserve to know.

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Speaker 1: I think we deserve to ask the questions. And I

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Speaker 1: just haven't seen anybody on what the hell this is about.

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Speaker 5: Okay, So, Andrew, I just want to give a little

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Speaker 5: bit of background because I think this is important. Erduline

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Speaker 5: who is the president of Turkey and Putin. He is

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Speaker 5: considered largely considered by US intelligence agency to be a

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Speaker 5: protege of Putin. So these two are super close. When

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Speaker 5: you see the world, the global alliances to your point,

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Speaker 5: and NATO is the North Atlantic Treaty Organization meeting here.

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Speaker 5: This is what the war in Ukraine is all about.

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Speaker 5: That Putin is afraid that Ukraine will join NATO, and

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Speaker 5: but essentially says, if you attack any NATO country, then

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Speaker 5: all of it right, than all other members like Passa,

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Speaker 5: than we all coming after you. So the fact that

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Speaker 5: Erdowan was here, who for at least a decade has

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Speaker 5: been considered a protege of Putin and flew to see

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Speaker 5: Donald Trump, and no one's talking about that, and that

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Speaker 5: we saw just maybe a year ago with she and

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Speaker 5: Putin join hands on the world stage. Modi, the Prime

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Speaker 5: Minister of India, also met with Putin. I just think

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Speaker 5: we ought to be paying close attention to some of

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Speaker 5: these global alliances reshaping the world stage. And you're right,

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Speaker 5: I've not heard a lot of reporting or conversations about that.

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Speaker 5: And this goes to Angelo's point about when these credits roll.

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Speaker 5: This is what leads up to the credits rolling on

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Speaker 5: America that he is building inroads and extending olive branches

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Speaker 5: to dictators and treating our friends like enemies and our

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Speaker 5: enemies like friends.

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Speaker 1: And guess what, Tiff and I know we got to

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Speaker 1: go to break. But his vice presidential pick is doubling down.

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Speaker 1: He says, I don't care what happens over there. I

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Speaker 1: just want America. Our interests, our money, our resources are

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Speaker 1: whatever out And it is this is a complete reshuffling

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Speaker 1: of global alliances. And I know that the rest of

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Speaker 1: the world just has to be, I mean, upside down

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Speaker 1: about these nuclear powers Russia, China, United States of America

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Speaker 1: potentially uniting against what has been frankly, the conscience of

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Speaker 1: the globe for the last you know, better half of

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Speaker 1: a century, in nearly a century.

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Speaker 5: You know what, Andrew this forgive me, audience, forgive me viewers.

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Speaker 5: We've been saying Erwan, and everything we said about Erwan

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Speaker 5: is true. He is president of Turkey, protege of Putin,

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Speaker 5: building alliances, all the other things. Who actually flew down

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Speaker 5: to see Trump was Orbon, who is the prime the

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Speaker 5: current prime minister of Hungary. And Andrew you were talking

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Speaker 5: about JD. Vance, Trump's vice presidential pick he idolizes Orbon.

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Speaker 5: Why that's dangerous is because Orbon is unapologetic, remorseless about

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Speaker 5: building a homogeneous society of all white heterosexual people. And

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Speaker 5: he is unapologetic about it when he came into office,

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Speaker 5: I think he came in two ten, twenty eleven, maybe

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Speaker 5: he was very vocal about that. These are the people

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Speaker 5: that Trump is building in roads. So forgive us, you, guys,

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Speaker 5: We did not mean to say Erdwine flew down to Florida.

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Speaker 5: It is urbone president.

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Speaker 1: Who did still do all those things, still made, still

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Speaker 1: made those visits. And the question still for me stands,

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Speaker 1: why is this man appearing to be a messenger right

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Speaker 1: between these these leaders world leaders?

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Speaker 7: I guess, all right, welcome back.

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Speaker 1: As you know, we've been having a free ranging conversation

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Speaker 1: just about the events of the past several days and

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Speaker 1: what's landed us here. And I wanted to ask both Tiffany,

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Speaker 1: you and and Angela did you all get to hear

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Speaker 1: Vice President I should say Biden addressed the na A

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Speaker 1: c P. And if so, do you think that the

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Speaker 1: speech she delivered is one that he should be taking

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Speaker 1: on the road. And if you and I'll let you

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Speaker 1: think about your response, while I have Nick play this

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Speaker 1: little clip from that speech.

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Speaker 6: Those are the things of black jobs.

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Speaker 2: I love his phrase.

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Speaker 6: Black jobs tell us a lot about the man and

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Speaker 6: about his character. Folks, I know what a black job is.

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Speaker 6: It's a vice president of the United States. I know

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Speaker 6: what a black job is. The first black president of

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Speaker 6: American is in Barack Obama. I was a vice president

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Speaker 6: the Barack, and she is my vice president. I nominated

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Speaker 6: the first black Secretary Defense in American history and doing

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Speaker 6: one hell of a job. I nominated the first black

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Speaker 6: woman so of the United States Supreme Court.

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Speaker 4: It mattered, It mattered.

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Speaker 6: I promised myself. I promised America. My administration would look

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Speaker 6: like America.

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Speaker 1: So he traveled out to Nevada to speak to the

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Speaker 1: National Association for the Advancement of Color People their annual convention,

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Speaker 1: and I had not I listened to forty five to

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Speaker 1: fifty minutes. I know he name dropped in that particular clip,

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Speaker 1: but leading up to that, just gave a whopping record

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Speaker 1: of what he's done and how it's impacted black folks

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Speaker 1: in America. And I just had I've been to plenty

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Speaker 1: of NAACP conventions, but I felt them through the television,

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Speaker 1: and I could just be fanning over the fact that

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Speaker 1: finally the man you know, got up and stood deep

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Speaker 1: on what he believed in and what he's done. But

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Speaker 1: I wonder if y'all, if y'all think that's a salient

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Speaker 1: enough message and then some to be repeated around.

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Speaker 4: The country, It's not, I mean to me right now,

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Speaker 4: I'm like, you guys are running a campaign from twenty eight,

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Speaker 4: twenty twelve, twenty sixteen. We are not campaigning. This is

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Speaker 4: not a campaign. This is a political war. I'm not

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Speaker 4: saying that to be hyperbolic. There's not a commercial you

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Speaker 4: can run. There's not an accomplishment you can tut. There's

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Speaker 4: nothing you can say besides to change the rules of

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Speaker 4: the game so that we can finally play ball fairly.

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Speaker 4: If you do not begin to use your executive powers

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Speaker 4: to change the rules of the game, we're done. Like,

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Speaker 4: I don't know how else to explain that. There's not

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Speaker 4: a cute campaign ad. There's not a Popeye song that

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Speaker 4: can do. There's not a rap artist they can have

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Speaker 4: to do a rap There's not a cute T shirt slogan.

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Speaker 4: There's not a dope blind he could drop. There's nothing

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Speaker 4: that he can do besides to change the rules of

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Speaker 4: the game, because the deck is stacked against us in

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Speaker 4: the judicial branch, in the executive branch, in the legislative branch.

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Speaker 4: I shouldn't say the executive branch. The executive branch is

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Speaker 4: the one place or we still have a little bit

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Speaker 4: of space to create change, to tell accomplishments that people

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Speaker 4: have not felt written large. I know we saw something

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Speaker 4: extraordinarily special at Essence when folks stood up and talked

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Speaker 4: about how much of their student loan that is forgiven.

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Speaker 4: But what difference doesn't make it if all of the

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Speaker 4: rest of your freedoms are taken away from the next

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Speaker 4: president coming. Treat this man like he is the existential

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Speaker 4: threat he is. You cannot go up here and get

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Speaker 4: the crowd hype and treat it like church and let

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Speaker 4: us have the benediction and go back out into the

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Speaker 4: world like it's business as usual. There is nothing normal

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Speaker 4: about this time. And I feel like a crazy person

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Speaker 4: because I've been screaming this since twenty sixteen. What do

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Speaker 4: you mean? Which is it?

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Speaker 1: Please?

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Speaker 5: I have a follow up for Angela because just to

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Speaker 5: remind people, Angela was the executive director of the Congression

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Speaker 5: black Hawk is so worked on Capitol Hill forever, so

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Speaker 5: you have a unique lens into how policy moves and

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Speaker 5: how executive orders work. And I want to see it

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Speaker 5: because we have a viewer question. And I also think

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Speaker 5: Angela should answer the guy if Nick and Lolow could

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Speaker 5: get that together. The guy was asking about like a

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Speaker 5: Biden campaign question. But my question that to Angela is

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Speaker 5: what should he do with those executive orders? Like what

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Speaker 5: are the three executive orders that he should and could

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Speaker 5: issue tomorrow?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So, first of all, I think that the executive orders,

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Speaker 4: it needs to be balls to the wall, like try

658
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Speaker 4: everything and dare the Supreme Court to undermine your authority

659
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Speaker 4: because they didn't dare undermine it when it came to

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Speaker 4: criminal liability for a president. So certainly you should be

661
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Speaker 4: able to exercise executive powers that don't have to go

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Speaker 4: through the legislative branch. That's what they're going to allow

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Speaker 4: for Donald Trump. So why not test it out now?

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Speaker 4: I would work on trying to figure out how you

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Speaker 4: he said that he supports term limits for the Supreme Court,

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Speaker 4: try to get that pass an executive order, you know,

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Speaker 4: do it?

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Speaker 5: But can that be done?

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Speaker 4: It's not supposed to be but with this Supreme Court

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Speaker 4: and the way they're ruling, why not try. There's there's

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Speaker 4: actions being taken by the Fearless Fund. The Fearless Fund

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Speaker 4: we talked about it on our mini pod as not

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Speaker 4: just the letter, but they requested an executive order. We

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Speaker 4: have a letter to your point to support that. I

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Speaker 4: think that's what you're saying. I got it now. But

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Speaker 4: there are things that could be done to protect our

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Speaker 4: civil and human rights. Do want on reproductive justice? Do

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Speaker 4: one on affirmative action? Do want restricting legacy admissions? Do

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Speaker 4: want ensuring that people have contract opportunities with the federal government?

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Speaker 4: Take back with the cour said about the Minority Business

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Speaker 4: Development Agency having to work on behalfa white folks too.

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Speaker 5: So forgive my ignorance. But so when you say do

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Speaker 5: one on reproductive justice, does that mean a federal law

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Speaker 5: mandating a woman's right to free or to access to

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Speaker 5: healthcare when it comes.

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Speaker 4: To reproductive justice. Yes, executive order though, which wouldn't necessarily

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Speaker 4: be a federal law in the traditional sense where it

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Speaker 4: passes both chambers the House and the Senate in Congress.

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Speaker 4: I'm talking about becoming becoming a legislator in chief because

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Speaker 4: that is basically what the Supreme Court is authorized. Try

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Speaker 4: it at least so it looks like you fought for

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Speaker 4: everything that you say that you want, knowing that these

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Speaker 4: things are not going to get through at least the

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Speaker 4: House and probably not the Senate because there are twenty

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Speaker 4: plus seats up. I think maybe it's thirty is it

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Speaker 4: thirty two this year, but there's several seats open, and

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Speaker 4: for folks are running for election in the Senate, so

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Speaker 4: they're not willing to go and try that hard. So

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Speaker 4: you go do it. Show these folks that you know

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Speaker 4: that you are in the fight of your life, the

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Speaker 4: fight of our lives. You gotta do something different.

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Speaker 1: I think that's what we're gonna hear on the courts.

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Speaker 1: And as you and I both all three of us

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Speaker 1: probably know, the Supreme Court was not ruling for presidents

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Speaker 1: into eternity. They were ruling for Donald Trump clear because

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Speaker 1: at the same time they stripped this administration the executive

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Speaker 1: branch of its agency power by and large through rule

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Speaker 1: making their ability to basically.

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Speaker 4: But barring, barring and barring an emergency hearing that will

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Speaker 4: not be touched before the election. So if we are

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Speaker 4: doing this because I didn't just work as the CBC

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Speaker 4: executive director. I wasn't just on home the Homeland Security Concilia.

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Speaker 4: I am a strategist. I do this work for a living.

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Speaker 4: I do it in communications, I do it in politics.

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Speaker 4: Everybody on this on this podcast are brilliant strategists and

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Speaker 4: communication strategists and messengers and like incredible. What we know

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Speaker 4: is there's a timeline on this thing. Andrew open the

718
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Speaker 4: podcast saying, we got one hundred and ten damn days left.

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Speaker 4: Act like you're in the fight of your life and

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Speaker 4: get some of these things done. If they decide in

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Speaker 4: the Supreme Court next term that they can't stand the

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Speaker 4: election is over. You are already inaugurated for sure, So

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Speaker 4: let's go. Let's go. Let's act like we know what's

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Speaker 4: at stake.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm way with t if i'd look to you know,

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Speaker 1: if you've got, you know, additional thoughts on like just

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Speaker 1: what we could be doing toward our community. And the

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Speaker 1: reason why I thought it was important to say what

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Speaker 1: he has done and what he wants to do is

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Speaker 1: because that comes up question after question, what has he

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Speaker 1: done for black people? What is he So he has

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Speaker 1: an obligation to answer the question, and then take us

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Speaker 1: to where we're going and the where we're going, particularly

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Speaker 1: on Angela. Your points being well taken on the on

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Speaker 1: the courts. I'm hopeful in the next couple of days

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Speaker 1: we're about to hear from this White House some bold

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Speaker 1: and courageous steps that they plan to take as it

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Speaker 1: relates to this court, because I think it will be

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Speaker 1: by and large bipartisan agreement, because folks are pretty pissed

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Speaker 1: off at what they see as a runaway Supreme Court.

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Speaker 5: Well, that's my question, and this is either of you,

742
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Speaker 5: but whoever can answer, whoever has the best lens into this.

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Speaker 5: There happened. Maybe it was here on this podcast, I

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Speaker 5: can't remember. I don't know if we were on the podcast,

745
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Speaker 5: on the areages in our group chat or together, but

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Speaker 5: we were talking about Biden needs to expand the court

747
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Speaker 5: because it's tilted. You know, it's not just a conservative court,

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Speaker 5: it is a maga extremist court at this point. What

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Speaker 5: does that look like because I'm still a little confused

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Speaker 5: about the executive order of process, Like he couldn't do

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Speaker 5: that via executive order because they have to be approved

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Speaker 5: by the Senate. So if he did expand the court

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Speaker 5: and Democrats have the Senate. That is that a realistic

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Speaker 5: option to get done before November.

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Speaker 1: And it has to be the House. It have to

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Speaker 1: be the house in the Senate. But if we take

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Speaker 1: Angela's strategic point, her point is shit, jam jam the

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Speaker 1: door and begged them to, you know, try me if

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Speaker 1: you won't try me. The Supreme Court has no enforcement ability.

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Speaker 1: They don't have a military, they have any enforcement other

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Speaker 1: than their written word. But technically it is my belief

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Speaker 1: Angela correct me if from wrong. Traditionally, the way it

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Speaker 1: would go is that the this would have to be legislated.

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Speaker 1: The President, of course, does not legislate.

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Speaker 5: But I mean, I think that's Angelo's That's like the

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Speaker 5: rules are thrown out gone.

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Speaker 6: Ye.

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Speaker 1: No, I agree from a strategic one hundred and ten

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Speaker 1: days left to the election day approach, and there won't

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Speaker 1: be a court that could hear it that soon, other

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Speaker 1: than the fact that a Texas court would immediately take

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Speaker 1: it up and would immediately issue stay on on on

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Speaker 1: the actions, and you know, so on and so forth.

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Speaker 1: But but I don't, I don't disagree with the point.

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Speaker 4: It just it just feels like they won't. It's like

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00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 4: we're all seeing the same thing. But they want to

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00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 4: run a campaign that like shit is normal. It's not normal.

778
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:09,160
Speaker 4: This is not normal, like show that you have some

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00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:11,839
Speaker 4: type of fight in you and you know what's on

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Speaker 4: the line. We know what's on the line. And tiff

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00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 4: said at the beginning of the podcast, I'm feeling apathy.

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Speaker 4: Do you know how dangerous it is for Tiffany Cross

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Speaker 4: to be sitting here talking about feeling apathy? Do you

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Speaker 4: know what that means? Is on the line? Like, I mean,

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Speaker 4: I hate to be screaming like this, but you guys,

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Speaker 4: this is major we have.

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Speaker 5: How do you feel? Do you feel apathy? Do you

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Speaker 5: feel anger?

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Speaker 4: I'm so pissed off, tiff I'm mad because I hate

790
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Speaker 4: to say it, like this is an easy fix, but

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Speaker 4: it's far easier than they're making it. The Party is

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Speaker 4: making this so difficult. They are making it seem like

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Speaker 4: there's no fight in us, like in any of us.

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Speaker 4: It almost feels like they're stripping away our fight. And

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Speaker 4: I don't I'm not a party person, but I know

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Speaker 4: where my politics lie and I know that there is

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Speaker 4: no other option for me, and so I'm frustrated with

798
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Speaker 4: my options. I'm frustrated that I feel like my choice

799
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Speaker 4: has been taken away from the womb to the tomb,

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Speaker 4: to the poles. I feel like the people who are

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00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 4: supposed to be representing our best interests and are paid

802
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Speaker 4: to do so, are being negligent because they're having a

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Speaker 4: regular political conversation, like they don't see the whole damn

804
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 4: war going on like we all do. And that is

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Speaker 4: my frustration. Like, just test the system, stress test the system.

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Speaker 4: If this system is broken because the Supreme Court is

807
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Speaker 4: hell bent on breaking it, then break it for them,

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Speaker 4: break it for them because it has to be repaired

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Speaker 4: before next January. And there's a whole other insurrection that

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Speaker 4: is far more deadly and far more dangerous and far

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Speaker 4: more violent than the last one. We know what they're

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Speaker 4: capable of, We've seen it before. Why are we playing

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Speaker 4: like we don't know? That's my point. So I'm like, yeah,

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Speaker 4: I know how the laws are made. Oh my god,

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Speaker 4: what just happened?

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Speaker 1: What? Oh?

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Speaker 4: Everything? Sorry? Everything? Just where I think the fans is

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Speaker 4: in here, y'all.

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Speaker 5: Clearly do y'all? Are y'all good? If we take a

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Speaker 5: viewer question, because I okay, we have a question, and

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Speaker 5: I think Andrew and Angela are uniquely positioned to answer

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Speaker 5: this question given all their experience. So we're gonna hear

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Speaker 5: from Keith Singleton.

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Speaker 2: Greetings, Native Land Podcast. My name is Keith Singleton, residing

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Speaker 2: here in Atlanta, Georgia. Uh from VFDC. How you doing, Tiffany,

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Speaker 2: How you doing? Angela? And my may man Andrew? Oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: And by the way, Angela, my eldest son who's thirty four,

828
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Speaker 2: thinks you're very cute. He's gonna love that. He's gonna too.

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Speaker 2: I just want to I have this question. Do you

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Speaker 2: think that the Joe Biden Harris ticket needs a theme

831
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Speaker 2: like the mega theme that Trump has? If so, I

832
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Speaker 2: have an idea.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 2: It's called BASA b A w s A, which means

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Speaker 2: building a wiser and stronger America. Let me know your thoughts.

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Speaker 2: Right now, we're working on approval. We haven't earn anything

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Speaker 2: back from the campaign. Hopefully they will again, y'all stay blessed.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for giving this opportunity.

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Speaker 1: I love that that's a man who feels like he

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Speaker 1: has ownership and a part of the campaign. Anytime somebody

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Speaker 1: forwards something, it's like, look, I got this idea. I

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00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 1: remember those folks coming into my office is when I

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00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:30,839
Speaker 1: would run for office. I actually think more a more

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Speaker 1: than a slogan. It probably requires a lot of what

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Speaker 1: Angelo was laying out, the urgency, you know, the urgency

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Speaker 1: of the moment that I don't think has eclipsed any

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Speaker 1: of us. Nobody asked me, but I will say I

848
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:54,840
Speaker 1: feel more exhausted than anything about what's been happening. I

849
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Speaker 1: feel exhausted because I think Democrats buy and large from

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Speaker 1: the leadership stamdpart are we And I'm really directing that

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Speaker 1: at the Congress and those governors out there. I just

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Speaker 1: think we're kneecapping and doing the work of the other

853
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Speaker 1: side when they got a not only a convicted felon,

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Speaker 1: but eighty eight total counts across all the cases, and

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00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 1: these folks are unified. They're standing behind this dude like

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00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 1: he is the Messiah, and we're just coming. We're coming

857
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Speaker 1: aparts at the seams, and it's exhausting to want to

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00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:39,959
Speaker 1: channel frustration through the television at them when what they're

859
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 1: giving you back is just hapless. So I kind of

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Speaker 1: feel like a slogan is a little late. I think

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Speaker 1: where we probably are is at death con. Death con

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Speaker 1: that really say three five eleven fifty eleven Angela. I'm

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Speaker 1: sure you probably have a thought.

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Speaker 4: I do, and I wasn't gonna say anything, but you

865
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Speaker 4: don maybe mad too, because my thing is like, how

866
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 4: do we get to a point where we're blaming the

867
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:19,719
Speaker 4: status quo and blaming people who are not Like I

868
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:21,800
Speaker 4: just told you the kind of fight I need to see.

869
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 4: I'm telling you the kind of fight I need to

870
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:27,319
Speaker 4: see because I'm not seeing it. Right. If folks aren't

871
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 4: seeing that fight and they're scared to death that the

872
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 4: other side is fighting and we playing hopscotch, it is

873
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 4: fair to say we need a different kind of leadership.

874
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 4: Maybe it's not fair to say we need a different

875
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 4: leader altogether, but it is certainly fair to criticize that right, Like, I.

876
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 1: Don't think fight in the house, nah man.

877
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 4: It's a fight going on outside. It's a war going

878
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 4: on outside.

879
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:59,840
Speaker 1: Oh, it is that we are completely fighting ourselves in

880
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 1: the front yard, out in the streets.

881
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 4: But that's because decades of Steff been the only and.

882
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 1: The only folks who are weakened by it. Ain't the

883
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:12,319
Speaker 1: ain't the people who are the existential threat that you

884
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:16,399
Speaker 1: called out earlier, the only people being negatively impacted. It's

885
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 1: our side.

886
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 4: I don't think that's completed.

887
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 1: They feeling like they're not there, that their vote is

888
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,800
Speaker 1: going to be pointless because the election is over.

889
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:28,440
Speaker 4: It feels like that. It feels like maybe it presents

890
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 4: it like that, but but it also feels that like

891
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 4: you have by us. No, no, I'm not. I'm not

892
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 4: egging them on. I feel like I'm asking. So we

893
00:51:37,640 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 4: got to be careful with us. And y'all's right, like

894
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 4: we gotta careful us in y'all. But I do think

895
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:45,800
Speaker 4: like it is fair for us to be concerned about

896
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 4: how Joe Biden is presenting given what he's up against.

897
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:52,800
Speaker 4: He can stand opposite a liar, but someone who sounds

898
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:56,479
Speaker 4: compelling to the status quo. He's up against someone who

899
00:51:56,560 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 4: is invincible in the face of the law. You just

900
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:05,720
Speaker 4: talked about a Biden administration court Supreme Court ruling versus

901
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 4: a Trump rule. It's it's it is light years apart.

902
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 4: And so we have to have someone who's up against him,

903
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 4: who stands the the who's whoo, who has the potential

904
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 4: to beat him. Joe Biden doesn't have the COVID pandemic

905
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 4: on his side this time. Joe Biden doesn't have George

906
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 4: Floyd's murder, which was the precursor for what was at

907
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:30,720
Speaker 4: least appeared to be a racial reckoning on his side.

908
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:33,880
Speaker 4: What he has on his side now is he's slower.

909
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 4: It's harder to understand him. He has a vice president

910
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:41,400
Speaker 4: who they have not deputized to do enough for us

911
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:43,719
Speaker 4: to see her enough. The media doesn't pick up when

912
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 4: she's doing amazing things like what she did in Wisconsin.

913
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 4: He's up against a media that wants the ratings of

914
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 4: a Donald Trump and not the snooze fest of a

915
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 4: Joe Biden. These are not things that I that I

916
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 4: personally feel. I'm just trying to objectively say these are

917
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:01,880
Speaker 4: the things he's up against. And then you have people,

918
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:04,239
Speaker 4: and then you have people.

919
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:10,319
Speaker 1: This I don't matter who that nominee is. This will

920
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 1: be a one point race and the one who wins

921
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 1: will be the one who outorganizes the other.

922
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,479
Speaker 4: And guess what else is happening on the ground. Guess

923
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:19,760
Speaker 4: what else is happening on the ground. Not a damn

924
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 4: thing the Biden administration was supposed to advertise on this podcast.

925
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 4: I'm calling it out because I think it's worth it.

926
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:28,880
Speaker 4: It's a good point to make. We're supposed to advertise

927
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 4: on this podcast out of money for it a legendly

928
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 4: their ground game. Yes, they are tiff. That's what they said.

929
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:40,920
Speaker 4: They literally just retracted it, saying they don't have the

930
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 4: money for it. Now this this, this, the same issue

931
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:46,840
Speaker 4: is going towards go ahead.

932
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:49,279
Speaker 5: I just I think it's important to say that they

933
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:51,800
Speaker 5: sent that and they needed a response by July fifth,

934
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 5: and no, and they.

935
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 4: Were responded to. They were by the deadline, and since

936
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 4: then have said that they don't have the budget for it.

937
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:02,239
Speaker 4: They also don't have the budget for the ground game.

938
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:05,759
Speaker 4: Tip you just raised. People on the ground in battleground

939
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:09,920
Speaker 4: states don't have the tools they need from this campaign.

940
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:12,040
Speaker 5: Did they have the budget when they were trying to

941
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:14,280
Speaker 5: go after Nikki Hayley voters? That is my question.

942
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:16,799
Speaker 4: Well, now we need to go.

943
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 1: Again. All that can be true, Look but it and

944
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 1: multiple things can be true at once. We can be

945
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 1: kicking our goddamn selves, we could be hemorrhaging largely because

946
00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 1: of our own activity, and they can be running a

947
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 1: tom foolish a campaign communication strategy that just doesn't make sense.

948
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 1: I'm not insagreeing like you you agree with disagreeing. I'm

949
00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 1: not disagreeing.

950
00:54:43,640 --> 00:54:46,320
Speaker 4: All I'm saying is, Andrew, I would so much rather

951
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:50,880
Speaker 4: have you like, we need someone that has the capacity. No,

952
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 4: just listen to what I'm saying. We need someone who

953
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 4: has the capacity to throw a blow. We need someone

954
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:02,520
Speaker 4: with courage. We need someone who's daring the system to

955
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:05,839
Speaker 4: treat it differently than it treats the other guy. We

956
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 4: have to have that right now. Kamala could do that.

957
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:11,719
Speaker 4: She could, I think so. Honestly, I believe part of

958
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 4: the strategy of the CBC right now is don't undermine

959
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:17,760
Speaker 4: Joe Biden, because if they undermine Joe Biden, it undermines

960
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:19,880
Speaker 4: the entire ticket. They'll try to use that out to

961
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:22,399
Speaker 4: throw out the entire ticket. I don't support that. I'm

962
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:24,239
Speaker 4: not saying that Kamala can't do it. I think she

963
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 4: very well could.

964
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 1: I think she could as well. I'm just saying we

965
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:32,800
Speaker 1: won't be making that decision well, very very concerned.

966
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 4: Because they will roll over and take it podcast, shall we.

967
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 1: What I'm concerned, what I'm concerned about is when those

968
00:55:39,160 --> 00:55:42,240
Speaker 1: delegates get there, if this is where we are, ditch

969
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:45,960
Speaker 1: Joe Biden and put Kamala in. I don't I'm not

970
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 1: convinced that these folks are going to do right by her.

971
00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 4: And I understand that that's a fair concern.

972
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 5: You say, these folks, who are you talking about? Say

973
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:57,120
Speaker 5: more about that.

974
00:55:57,280 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 1: Well, I'll just say first on the on the who

975
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:01,880
Speaker 1: the nominee for the Democrats will be, it is largely

976
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 1: a convention that while diverse is between the delegates and

977
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 1: the super delegates, will be a majority of white liberals

978
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:14,399
Speaker 1: and many of the ones, many of the same ones

979
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 1: who are calling in Congress now for Joe to step out,

980
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 1: will not commit to her then stepping into his place.

981
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 4: He's not. And Nancy Pelosi.

982
00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:28,400
Speaker 1: Or leader, what are we setting ourselves up for? So

983
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 1: say they get there, they leapfrog her and put a

984
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 1: white woman governor or a white male governor or senator

985
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 1: or whomever in her instead. We will have it all

986
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 1: out revolte and we will absolutely lose. Fact absolutely so

987
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 1: everybody's yep. We're riching for the perfect and the rejection

988
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 1: of the good, and we gonna end up with nothing.

989
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 1: And what I mean by the one point race is

990
00:56:56,200 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 1: is that this country is vicraally divided. Yeah, half of

991
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:03,760
Speaker 1: us are in one place, and we see the country

992
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 1: as if we live on Venus and the others on Mars,

993
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:10,759
Speaker 1: and they never intersect in between. And so if that's

994
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 1: the case, then y'all, we've got to our bed has

995
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 1: been made. There was a primary. All these people who

996
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 1: are talking now, everybody got all his voice. Where were

997
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:24,240
Speaker 1: you when it was time to compete against Joe Biden

998
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 1: for the Democratic nomination. If you're so skilled, so talented

999
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 1: the ability to motivate, stimulate, mobilize people, then you should

1000
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:35,720
Speaker 1: have let that work for you during the process. But

1001
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 1: now we're at the goddamn twenty fifth hour of the day,

1002
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 1: and there are not twenty five hours in a day.

1003
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 1: We're at a twenty fifth hour. I'm talking about we

1004
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:45,560
Speaker 1: need somebody who can do this? Is that? And the

1005
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 1: third I can tell you what Joe Biden has proven

1006
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:51,919
Speaker 1: is that he knows how to win. He's done it repeatedly.

1007
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 1: I'm not going to handicap him in that. He's got

1008
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 1: a lot of handicaps, y'all, But so does the other guy,

1009
00:57:57,280 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 1: way more than he, way more than the na Joe Biden.

1010
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:05,680
Speaker 1: If we know that we got a herculean task and

1011
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:10,120
Speaker 1: motivating our people every single day, we got one hundred

1012
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:13,200
Speaker 1: and ten days left, y'all, if we keep meet capping

1013
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:15,320
Speaker 1: this guy every day, who the hell wants to show

1014
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 1: up for a guy they already have written the obituary

1015
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 1: for that, he is going to lose.

1016
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:23,800
Speaker 5: I think those are good points. Angel. You were saying something.

1017
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:25,439
Speaker 5: I didn't hear what you were saying because Andrew was talking.

1018
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:25,600
Speaker 6: I was.

1019
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:26,960
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I was probably.

1020
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 4: I was doing call and response at church and we're

1021
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 4: not at church. I don't remember what I was saying,

1022
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:36,520
Speaker 4: but I'm not I don't disagree with what Andrew is raising.

1023
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:40,080
Speaker 4: I'm also saying I am not going to turn a

1024
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 4: blind eye to the legitimate concerns of people. I'm not

1025
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 4: talking to you, guys. I'm not ever carrying Nancy Pelosi's

1026
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 4: water or Adam Schiff or Gavin Newsome like I know

1027
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 4: what they did or what and what they do to

1028
00:58:52,640 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 4: black elected officials in California. I'm clear about that. I

1029
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:59,680
Speaker 4: am wide eyed open, Okay. Yeah, Like I'm very very clear.

1030
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:03,920
Speaker 4: But I also understand that right now how I feel,

1031
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 4: and you guys know that we're now a de facto unofficial,

1032
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:10,840
Speaker 4: very unofficial polling group. I would like to take focused group, Paul,

1033
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:15,920
Speaker 4: how many of you feel very confident in Joe Biden's

1034
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:20,480
Speaker 4: candidacy against Donald Trump in the fall. Right now, are

1035
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 4: you asking us?

1036
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:23,200
Speaker 5: The two co hosts hands are down.

1037
00:59:24,120 --> 00:59:26,720
Speaker 1: My well, my hand is down because I think it

1038
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:30,919
Speaker 1: is moot. No offense to you. I think I think

1039
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:36,160
Speaker 1: that kind of prognosticating is done with and where we

1040
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:42,160
Speaker 1: are right now is get to work, make moves. We

1041
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:44,040
Speaker 1: said it, I said it the last time as my

1042
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:46,880
Speaker 1: as my as my request to the listeners that we

1043
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:47,800
Speaker 1: arrived with five.

1044
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:52,440
Speaker 4: Just Andrew, I know you don't like to answer my questions.

1045
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:54,520
Speaker 1: No, I'm just saying, but I'm just.

1046
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 4: I'm just saying, like I hear you, but it's not

1047
00:59:57,360 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 4: moot because it's being talked about in It's not just

1048
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:03,200
Speaker 4: on cable news. I don't why, you guys know I do.

1049
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:05,600
Speaker 4: I cannot watch it. I don't know what they talk

1050
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:09,520
Speaker 4: about on there. I'm talking about the conversation I'm having

1051
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 4: with popa Rye. I'm talking about the conversation with my

1052
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:16,280
Speaker 4: family members and my friends. This is scary that this

1053
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:20,200
Speaker 4: is the candidate as is right now, if he's the guy,

1054
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:23,480
Speaker 4: if he's the horse, and I think that really the

1055
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:26,080
Speaker 4: time for this is after the convention. I think there's

1056
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:28,960
Speaker 4: still time to at least talk about what has to shift.

1057
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 4: I'm not just talking about a new person on the ticket.

1058
01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:34,400
Speaker 4: Some things have to change. We talked about the mad

1059
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:37,960
Speaker 4: nauseum earlier in this podcast, But I don't think we

1060
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:42,840
Speaker 4: should be shaming people for asking legitimate questions about if

1061
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:47,000
Speaker 4: he has the ability to withstand everything that's going to

1062
01:00:47,080 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 4: come at him for the next several months.

1063
01:00:49,640 --> 01:00:53,160
Speaker 1: I think it is a mood point because he is

1064
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:59,680
Speaker 1: the horse unless he is struck down. Oh geez, and therefore,

1065
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:02,480
Speaker 1: and God forbid, I mean, it's not a wish by

1066
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:05,800
Speaker 1: any means. Then for me, then it isn't does he

1067
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:08,000
Speaker 1: have the best does he have a good chance of

1068
01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:11,720
Speaker 1: whatever we've seen him throw down? I know that he

1069
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:13,920
Speaker 1: has the capacity to do it. I listened to him

1070
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:15,840
Speaker 1: do it just you know, the other day in his

1071
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:17,760
Speaker 1: interview with Lester Hope, which I sat through and listened

1072
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:19,920
Speaker 1: to up until the point that I had to, you know,

1073
01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:24,240
Speaker 1: get off of it. He was battling. He was bad.

1074
01:01:24,320 --> 01:01:26,360
Speaker 1: He was like, come on, man, this ain't real. How

1075
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:29,360
Speaker 1: are you asking me if I'm doing this? I just

1076
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:32,160
Speaker 1: he was very present and I saw him fighting. I

1077
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Speaker 1: listened to him at the NAACP. He was present, He

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Speaker 1: was cognitively present. His stumbles are ever present, but they

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Speaker 1: were ever present forty years ago. Right, So, so what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, if he is the nominee and Homeboy Trump

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Speaker 1: is on the other side, then I just think that

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Speaker 1: we do folks a disservice by saying by answering the

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Speaker 1: question and ask and going down that road of is

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Speaker 1: he the strongest? Is he able to compete with him?

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Speaker 1: Is he able? Well, guess what he gonna have to

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Speaker 1: reach into the reservoir of skills. He's gonna have to

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Speaker 1: pull it from somewhere because it has to be done.

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Speaker 1: It has got to be done. But he can't do

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Speaker 1: it by himself. And that's my whole point is we

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Speaker 1: cannot keep fighting in the lawn on the street down

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Speaker 1: they block in our block because we don't win. That

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Speaker 1: way they win, they win, And I don't deny. I'm

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Speaker 1: not sharing people who have questions. I'm saying, right, you

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Speaker 1: goddamn question down or ask him when he's in the

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Speaker 1: cloakroom or in the whatever. Stop going to national television

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Speaker 1: airing all of our ship for everybody when the decision

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Speaker 1: has already been made. These questions there was a time for.

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Speaker 4: It, but didn't. I don't think this is fair, Like

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Speaker 4: I guess, I guess my issue is, like I hear you,

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Speaker 4: there's yeah, there's a nominating process. Yeah, they were pries.

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Speaker 4: All of that's legitimate. The debate that he challenged Donald

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Speaker 4: Trump to.

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Speaker 1: Obama had a horrible first debate.

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Speaker 4: I'm not talking about that. The debate that Joe Biden

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Speaker 4: Make my Day Pal challenged Donald Trump to was after

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01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:20,520
Speaker 4: the primaries. It just was, of course, because we're afraid.

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Speaker 4: It's fine. I'm not that's not I'm not faulting him

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Speaker 4: for that. But people were legitimately and under if we're honest,

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Speaker 4: understandably concerned based on that performance, based on other things

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Speaker 4: that we've seen, you guys. I was on Breakfast Club

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01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:38,040
Speaker 4: with y'all, and when they asked us about if we

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Speaker 4: were concerned about Joe Biden, the way that he speaks,

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Speaker 4: the way that he walks, so his age, we all

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01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:46,640
Speaker 4: summarily dismissed it. When we saw him on that debate stage,

1115
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Speaker 4: we were legitimately concerned. It is understandable.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying I don't disagree, agree like, yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: not what I'm talking about. We were all concerned, but

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Speaker 1: this whole drop out kind of we're just passed it,

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Speaker 1: we are just past it. And so if we are

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Speaker 1: past it.

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Speaker 4: But we're past norms, you got like the whole point

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Speaker 4: of this podcast today is there's nothing normal about this

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Speaker 4: election cycle and if we're.

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Speaker 1: Becausing but there's a way to get there, he can't.

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Speaker 4: Andrew. The way has changed. The roads say detour, the roads.

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Speaker 1: Are closed, and what is the alternative?

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Speaker 4: I don't freaking know, And that is part of the frustration.

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Speaker 1: Andrew can't take the I'm.

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Speaker 4: Not trying to, like, please know my heart, I am

1130
01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:41,200
Speaker 4: not trying to engage in a reality TV show like

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Speaker 4: the other side. I am not doing this because I

1132
01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:48,040
Speaker 4: think it's fun and dramatic. I am I am questioning everything,

1133
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Speaker 4: stress testing everything because I am concerned about this side's

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Speaker 4: ability to win, and I know the other side cannot.

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Speaker 4: I just hit my chin on the mic. I know

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Speaker 4: the other side cannot. I know they can't, but I

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01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:05,000
Speaker 4: don't know what to do. My truth is I don't

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01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:07,640
Speaker 4: know what to do. My truth is I have never

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01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:11,800
Speaker 4: been so afraid to be in this country. I have

1140
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:15,200
Speaker 4: never considered more what it might be like to leave

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01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:20,240
Speaker 4: I am afraid. I am not doing this for shits

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01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:25,160
Speaker 4: and giggles. I don't know what Joe Biden can do

1143
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:28,400
Speaker 4: and what he can take. I am terrified that he

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01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:31,480
Speaker 4: is our representative right now. I want him to pivot.

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01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:33,800
Speaker 4: I want to hit whatever needs to happen. I want

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Speaker 4: him to pivot. I would love for Kamaa to be

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Speaker 4: at the top of the ticket. I'm also terrified for her,

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01:05:41,840 --> 01:05:47,160
Speaker 4: physically worried about her. I'm not doing I literally, I'm

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01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:49,760
Speaker 4: pleading with you to hear my heart. This is not

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01:05:50,120 --> 01:05:53,920
Speaker 4: because I think it is wise. There is nothing about

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01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:57,760
Speaker 4: this time that is wise or safe, or normal or clear.

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Speaker 4: It is confusing. I cannot I believe this is the

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01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:06,720
Speaker 4: industry that I've dedicated my entire professional adulthood to. I

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01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:09,080
Speaker 4: can't believe where we are. The second one that I

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01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:12,400
Speaker 4: took on media, I can't believe it's where it is.

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01:06:13,640 --> 01:06:15,960
Speaker 4: I think God that we have a safe space. Look

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01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:19,360
Speaker 4: looking tip, I think God that we have a safe space.

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Speaker 4: But also to be here questioning, I need it to

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01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:27,080
Speaker 4: be okay for us to do that and try to

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Speaker 4: reach a result. And if we don't know, to say

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Speaker 4: we don't know. I hate not knowing y'all know that,

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Speaker 4: and Tiffany Hardy said, I'm controlling. I hate not knowing,

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Speaker 4: but I said.

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Speaker 5: I'm controlling too. But can we take a really quick

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Speaker 5: break because I know we're going a little long, but

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Speaker 5: I think given what's happened since we last connected with

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Speaker 5: the audience, I hope that you all can stay for

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Speaker 5: a few extra minutes because I have a question for

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Speaker 5: both of you guys, because I think it's I think

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Speaker 5: this has been a great conversation because Andrew, you sound

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01:06:57,000 --> 01:06:59,600
Speaker 5: like half the people I talk to. Angela, do you

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Speaker 5: sound like the other half of the people I talk to?

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Speaker 5: I don't even know where I feel. I definitely feel

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Speaker 5: Angelo's point and like this ain't it. Whatever it is,

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01:07:07,960 --> 01:07:09,760
Speaker 5: this ain't it. But I hear Andrew's point like that,

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Speaker 5: what's the alternative.

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Speaker 4: That's not saying my daddy? I sell it, Andrew and

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Speaker 4: my dad, right.

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Speaker 5: This is why these conversations are good, because you get

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Speaker 5: to play the other side.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 5: I don't say the Devil's advocate because he got enough

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01:07:21,080 --> 01:07:25,880
Speaker 5: advocates already and everywhere, but I will will take a

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01:07:25,920 --> 01:07:27,560
Speaker 5: really quick break, and on the other side of this,

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Speaker 5: I want to kick off with a question to my

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01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:31,400
Speaker 5: co host, so don't go anywhere.

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Speaker 3: Well come, well come, well come, well come, well.

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Speaker 2: Come, we come.

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Speaker 5: All right, Welcome back, everybody. It's been an intense discussion

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Speaker 5: here at Native lampod. We sound like a lot of

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01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:50,720
Speaker 5: you guys sound in your group chats and your conversations

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01:07:50,760 --> 01:07:54,320
Speaker 5: around Sunday dinner and Sunday brunch and uh dinners and

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01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:56,720
Speaker 5: cocktails that you have during the week. And I you know,

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Speaker 5: listening to to my co host, to you Angela and

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01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:02,520
Speaker 5: you Andrew, I honestly everything y'all are saying. I'm like, yes,

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Speaker 5: I agree with Andrew. When you say, like this is

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01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:08,400
Speaker 5: who we got, I agree with you, Like I don't

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Speaker 5: know what the alternative is, like the nominating process. I

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Speaker 5: don't think we'll see a broker convention in a couple

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Speaker 5: of weeks, but who knows. So then to Angelo's point

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01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:20,840
Speaker 5: about something has to change and we don't know what.

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01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:23,280
Speaker 5: I agree with that too. It's like the playbook was

1203
01:08:23,360 --> 01:08:25,920
Speaker 5: ripped up in twenty sixteen and we are going to

1204
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:29,880
Speaker 5: war with an ill suited candidate who is playing from

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01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:33,920
Speaker 5: the twenty eight playbookage, and so it's frustrating. It's like,

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Speaker 5: what like if you expect us to fight. We have

1207
01:08:37,400 --> 01:08:40,040
Speaker 5: to be motivated to fight. And to Andelo's point, I

1208
01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:43,240
Speaker 5: do I feel apathetic? And how Angela, how you sound

1209
01:08:43,320 --> 01:08:47,760
Speaker 5: right now is how I feel inside when I indulge

1210
01:08:47,800 --> 01:08:51,320
Speaker 5: and to protect my own in insanity and mental health,

1211
01:08:51,560 --> 01:08:53,720
Speaker 5: I gotta check out. I gotta turn it off. I

1212
01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:56,120
Speaker 5: gotta read, I gotta write, I gotta go for a walk.

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01:08:56,160 --> 01:09:00,000
Speaker 5: I cannot be mired in this BS for extended period

1214
01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:05,599
Speaker 5: of time. So I guess my question is, Andrew, if

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Speaker 5: you could consider Angelo's point, like, Okay, I hear you,

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01:09:09,240 --> 01:09:12,320
Speaker 5: something has to change. What is the one thing you

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01:09:12,360 --> 01:09:15,960
Speaker 5: would change? And then, Angela, if you could consider Andrew's point,

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Speaker 5: if this is who we got, what would you want

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01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:23,720
Speaker 5: Joe Biden to do? Immediately? You said executive orders? But

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Speaker 5: I mean something tangible where he could come out like

1221
01:09:26,320 --> 01:09:28,720
Speaker 5: and address to the nation from the Oval Office and

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Speaker 5: say Donald Trump, or who would me? Let's ride, you know,

1223
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Speaker 5: like honestly, like the rule books are thrown up, let's

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Speaker 5: do it.

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Speaker 4: I'm with you.

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Speaker 5: I'm like, let's just let's so Andrew. Andrew always says

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Speaker 5: that they've captured our imagination. Let's not let them capture

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Speaker 5: our imagination. Like, what would we do? So anyway, that's

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Speaker 5: my question, and then I want to ask about y'all's

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Speaker 5: mental health because I'm struggling. But yeah, whoever wanted to.

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Speaker 1: I think if I saw it through Angela's lens, which

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Speaker 1: by the way, I don't disagree at all, something's got

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Speaker 1: to give. But I think the give is going to

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Speaker 1: be on the strategy toward election day and not in

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Speaker 1: the changing of the lead horse. I loved what she

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Speaker 1: had to say about stress testing the system with regard

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Speaker 1: to executive orders. Put your values on paper underneath the

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01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:23,240
Speaker 1: heading and executive order and dare them to come for you.

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Speaker 1: I hadn't considered that, and that's the value of Evangeli's

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Speaker 1: many years in Washington and knowing the congressional and the

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Speaker 1: executive you know side of this whole thing. I agree

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Speaker 1: with you that what worked before. As they say, what

1243
01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:41,679
Speaker 1: got you here won't get you there? Right, what got

1244
01:10:41,720 --> 01:10:45,600
Speaker 1: you here Joe Biden will not get you there? And

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Speaker 1: team and company and campaign, and as I listened to

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Speaker 1: a lot of their talking heads, I'm like, well, that

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01:10:52,439 --> 01:10:55,840
Speaker 1: person is really you know, sounds really nice, and they

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01:10:56,080 --> 01:11:00,360
Speaker 1: delivered that really nice flee. But I am uncompared held

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01:11:00,439 --> 01:11:04,639
Speaker 1: by the message, and so I wonder what you could

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01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:08,440
Speaker 1: say to me that would sound more real, more bitible,

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01:11:08,520 --> 01:11:13,519
Speaker 1: more digestible, that could get me moving. And right now,

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Speaker 1: I don't think there's a lot of leveling. I don't

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01:11:16,160 --> 01:11:20,519
Speaker 1: mean we need to tell our business, yeah, but I

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01:11:20,560 --> 01:11:23,080
Speaker 1: do think we have to level with people's. But but

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Speaker 1: I'm completely open, and I would double down on Angela's

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Speaker 1: First of all, y'all need to hire her impact strategies.

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Speaker 4: No, I'm not doing it.

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01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:34,479
Speaker 1: Double down on that executive order strategy.

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Speaker 5: So I think we may be having a little bit

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01:11:37,280 --> 01:11:40,000
Speaker 5: of technical difficulties with Andrew, so he gonna have to

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Speaker 5: be like y'all and listen to the playbacks here Angela's

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Speaker 5: response on So, if you had to change something, Angela,

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Speaker 5: if you were in charge of a campaign, and we

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Speaker 5: know you wouldn't do that, they're not even ready for you, girl,

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Speaker 5: But if you were, what would you directive?

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Speaker 4: The first thing that I would do is remind them

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Speaker 4: that Julie Rodriguez, Yeah, that Julie is the campaign manager,

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01:12:01,880 --> 01:12:04,120
Speaker 4: that she does not need to be layered, that she

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01:12:04,240 --> 01:12:06,519
Speaker 4: knows what she's doing, that she's fully capable, that she

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01:12:06,680 --> 01:12:10,200
Speaker 4: comes from her stock from a fighter Caesar Chavez. It's

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Speaker 4: her grandfather. And I would remind them that everybody who

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Speaker 4: is advising him has ill advised him for some time.

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Speaker 4: I would replace his inner circle for the sake of

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Speaker 4: the campaign cabinet. I would have a movie producer included,

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Speaker 4: because he's running against a movie star, so run out

1276
01:12:30,080 --> 01:12:33,160
Speaker 4: this production like it needs to be run For folks

1277
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Speaker 4: who are used to seeing a big screen and used

1278
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Speaker 4: to being entertained, I would include them. I would include

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Speaker 4: somebody that has significant social media background so that folks

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01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:46,479
Speaker 4: understand what the right messages are to reach folks. I

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01:12:46,520 --> 01:12:49,040
Speaker 4: would ensure that somebody like Terrence Woodbury is at the

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Speaker 4: table not just to talk about polling in focus group,

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01:12:52,120 --> 01:12:55,360
Speaker 4: but focus groups, but messaging. I'm literally laying out, by

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Speaker 4: the way, some of what we have for Andrew's campaign,

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Speaker 4: and they ought to pay you for this, Terrence would

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Speaker 4: very way. I want to lay it all out because

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Speaker 4: I want.

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Speaker 1: Them to win.

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Speaker 4: The thing is that your gifts make room for you,

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Speaker 4: and you can't recreate this, so try like I hope

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Speaker 4: that they will go do this. I would also ensure

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Speaker 4: that they instead of running from the young elected officials

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Speaker 4: who are daring and courageous, the Jabon Bowman's of the world,

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Speaker 4: the aocs, the Ayana Presley's other folks in Congress Jasmine.

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Speaker 4: Don't just run them ragged. Run to them for guidance.

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Speaker 4: How do they reach people. What is the candor that

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Speaker 4: they use, what is the tone and tenor of the

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Speaker 4: things that they are talking about. Utilize them. The people

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Speaker 4: who are on the state and local level, who have

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Speaker 4: great followings Gary Chambers, who you might be afraid of,

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Speaker 4: Utilize them because they are reaching our people. Talk to

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Speaker 4: the activist community, talk to Tamika and my song. Talk

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Speaker 4: to these folks to figure out what is missing and

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Speaker 4: what you can get right. The people who you've avoided,

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Speaker 4: these college students around Gaza. Talk to them about what

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Speaker 4: needs to shift so that they see your humanity again.

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Speaker 4: They need to see not just a fighter overseas. They

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Speaker 4: need to see you fighting for us here the way

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Speaker 4: that we turned out and fought for you. And I

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Speaker 4: think that that's a big difference. Talk to congressom with

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Speaker 4: Maxine Waters. She got on that stage and they didn't

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Speaker 4: even catch the sneaky shade of what she said as

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Speaker 4: this she said, I'm older than Joe Biden. Hell, what

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Speaker 4: she's saying is and I'm the biggest and baddest out here.

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Speaker 4: Run to me. Let me show you how we do this.

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Speaker 4: And I think that we need We could do. All

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Speaker 4: of that is very easy. It doesn't have to just

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Speaker 4: be black folks they talk to, but I certainly think

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Speaker 4: they need more. The inner circle is too white. And

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Speaker 4: then the last thing that I would say is, yes,

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Speaker 4: he needs to go out. If I were on Joe

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Speaker 4: Biden's team, I would tell him to do a president

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Speaker 4: I don't want to hear him talk, but just take

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Speaker 4: the time a presidential address every single night until the election,

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Speaker 4: put your secretary defense up and talk about the threats

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Speaker 4: fireside check no no, no, literally the an actual they

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Speaker 4: the news. Every station has to run it since the

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Speaker 4: news wants to play the Lion King every day and

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Speaker 4: whatever else they doing fake TV. Make it for real.

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Speaker 4: A special address from the president and his kid couldn't

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Speaker 4: do that, but I'm sure there are like FEC and

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Speaker 4: FCC rules around him doing that because he would completely

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Speaker 4: disrupt like primetime programming, advertisers.

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Speaker 5: You know it would be hard, so he might be

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Speaker 5: able to do one.

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Speaker 4: I want him to dare it and break the system.

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Speaker 4: TIF Like, what we're talking about is just see what

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Speaker 4: can be done doing the same thing with executive orders.

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Speaker 4: If Donald Trump were in office, he damn sure would

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Speaker 4: try to do this. Run it if you not going,

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01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:43,839
Speaker 4: if your campaign is really running out of money, runees,

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Speaker 4: run thees instead. Special announcement from the President's Special announcement

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Speaker 4: for the Secretary of Fit, Special announcement from the Vice President, says,

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Speaker 4: special announcement from the Secretary of Transportation. Every night they're

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Speaker 4: talking about some crisis that is at stake, and there

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Speaker 4: are they don't even have to make these up.

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Speaker 6: It.

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Speaker 4: If you can't do it every night, do it every morning,

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Speaker 4: every night, every afternoon, switch them off.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, if he could do it, maybe networks we just

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Speaker 5: have to opt out, which could be fine because a

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Speaker 5: lot of gen z ers are not watching your Appointment

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Speaker 5: Women or television Anyway.

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Speaker 4: I have a.

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Speaker 5: I have a question for your point, Angela. I think

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Speaker 5: when we hearing you lay out strategy for a campaign,

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Speaker 5: I am struck at the parallels between the media and

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Speaker 5: the campaign. What the common thread is. They are afraid

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Speaker 5: of us, they are afraid of authenticity, and they are

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Speaker 5: afraid of black people. I often tell people if you're

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Speaker 5: listening if you're not a black person, and you're listening

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Speaker 5: to a black person who makes you comfortable, that's the

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Speaker 5: wrong black person. If you're listening to a black person

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Speaker 5: who makes you uncomfortable, that's the person you need to

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Speaker 5: be paying attention to. They more likely speak on behalf

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Speaker 5: of the community. So the fact that we disproportionately uphold

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Speaker 5: this democracy, and even when you look across media, we

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Speaker 5: disproportionately consume media and participate from broadcast media to social media,

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Speaker 5: we take up a good space. I just wonder why

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Speaker 5: it is so effing hard that we have to fight

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Speaker 5: to be in these spaces and that our truth is

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Speaker 5: offensive to people, So then we're silenced in sidelined. Same

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Speaker 5: thing happening on a campaign, same thing happening across media,

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Speaker 5: No shade to anybody. Is a hard time in media.

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Speaker 5: But literally more people listen to this podcast than they

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Speaker 5: are tuned into CNN primetime when there is no breaking

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Speaker 5: news now with CNN, ever, put the three of us

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Speaker 5: on air on the show together, No, will they give

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Speaker 5: the old get off my lawn White Man Bill Maher

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Speaker 5: more time? Yes, because they are only interested in centering

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Speaker 5: themselves This contributes to my apathy, where a part of

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Speaker 5: me feels like, you know what, you want to turn

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Speaker 5: this fucking democracy over to this fascist, go right ahead,

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Speaker 5: just do it. The only thing that stops me from

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Speaker 5: saying that is because I have loved ones here, I

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Speaker 5: have community here. My ancestors built this country, as Angela reminds.

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Speaker 4: For free.

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Speaker 5: They don't get to take it. They took it once.

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Speaker 5: They don't get to take it twice, like we have

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Speaker 5: to take our claim here. But it is disheartening to

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Speaker 5: go through all the effing time to watch it every

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Speaker 5: day and have people go out there and spit some

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Speaker 5: granola vanilla bullshit to make the people sit into the

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Speaker 5: left and the right of them comfortable. To have to

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Speaker 5: read these bylines that are highly offensive and so grossly

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Speaker 5: out of touch, it's just exhausting. It's exhausting. So I'm

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Speaker 5: just noted by that through line. I do want to

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Speaker 5: ask you, because we are getting coming up on time,

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Speaker 5: how are you guys managing your mental health? Because I'm Angela,

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Speaker 5: I hear the tension in your voice.

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Speaker 4: Andrew.

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Speaker 5: You are always sage and steady handed, but it's still

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Speaker 5: something that impact. I know you feel our same frustration.

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Speaker 5: You just present differently. What are y'all doing to keep

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Speaker 5: you cool? Y'all know what I'm doing, But what are

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Speaker 5: y'all doing?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing what you're doing when we together?

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Speaker 4: I am I need a book, a therapy appointment. Seriously,

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Speaker 4: I am feeling like PTSD from the twenty sixteen election.

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Speaker 4: I am just feeling like it is inevitable. And I

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Speaker 4: didn't feel that way going up into the election, but

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Speaker 4: you guys know, I talk about the story all the

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Speaker 4: time where I was prostrate on my floor, like I

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Speaker 4: can't believe this happened, and the feeling that that is

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Speaker 4: inevitable to me is more than I can bear. I

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Speaker 4: just I don't want that for myself. I don't want

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Speaker 4: that for the ancestors. I don't want that for the

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Speaker 4: future generations. I'm so afraid that people are not taking

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Speaker 4: this as seriously as they ought. I know there are

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Speaker 4: many of us, and you talked about, you know, the

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Speaker 4: two different sides that you're hearing from, Tiff, and there

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Speaker 4: is a middle. There are people who are on the

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Speaker 4: spectrum who change their minds. I've changed our mind to

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Speaker 4: listen to Andrew and believe him and support his positions.

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Speaker 4: While I was arguing my point, you know, and so

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Speaker 4: I don't really know what we do. I would say

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Speaker 4: every day if I had a call to action for folks,

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Speaker 4: it's remembered to breathe, to take stock of where we are.

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Speaker 4: When worry is just thinking about what is to come.

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Speaker 4: It's not here yet. There are some things we still

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Speaker 4: have to do. I think Tiff and I have to

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Speaker 4: work through both anger and apathy and then with everything

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Speaker 4: that comes in between there and somewhere between that anger

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Speaker 4: and that apathy is righteous action. And I hope that

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Speaker 4: we can just stay focused on what is in our

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Speaker 4: hands to do. We know that we are capable, we

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Speaker 4: know we are able, we know God is able. Let's

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Speaker 4: get to work. Let's get to work.

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Speaker 1: I love that.

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Speaker 5: Welcome home, y'all.

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Speaker 3: info and all of the latest regulum and cross connected

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Speaker 3: to the statements that you leave on our socials. Thank

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Speaker 3: you sincerely for the patients. Reason for your choice is clear.

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Speaker 3: So grateful to the execute roads. Thank you for serve,

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Speaker 3: defend and protect the truths. Even Welcome home to all

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