1 00:00:02,240 --> 00:00:06,520 Speaker 1: I have gotten results not just for me my family, 2 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:11,880 Speaker 1: but for those around me. And so I try to 3 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 1: remind myself that my anger can be very helpful, because 4 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:19,479 Speaker 1: when I'm angry and in a rage, some people can't 5 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:22,480 Speaker 1: organize thoughts. I become like my brain is like hyper 6 00:00:22,480 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 1: focused and hyper organized, and I can organize and and 7 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 1: deliver a read of death that that will bring you 8 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: to your knee. And that was the powerful actress and 9 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:38,519 Speaker 1: executive producer of The Inspection Gabrielle Union. She joined us 10 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: today and trust me, she is naked. It's the greatest 11 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 1: person in the team. Can make it. Carry champions, they 12 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 1: carrie champions, champion a champion, they carry chappion. They got 13 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 1: on today's podcast. It's a pleasure for me. It's my first. No, 14 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 1: it's not my first, but maybe it is my very first. 15 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 1: A list actor. Oh my god. Um, she's a friend. 16 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:18,920 Speaker 1: I've known her for years. I've watched her uh in 17 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:22,759 Speaker 1: being Mary Jane, which felt very much like my life 18 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 1: as a black woman, presenter, reporter, anchor, you name it. 19 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 1: You remember from Bring It On? That? I mean, that's 20 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: an iconic role. Um, bad boys like the list goes 21 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 1: on and on. I could I could hit you with 22 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 1: all of her credits, but what I know her now 23 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: as this is a very intelligent, UM, thoughtful, UM, loving mother, wife, 24 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 1: UM and friend. Her and her husband Dwyane Wade, to 25 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 1: me exemplify not necessarily the American dream, because for black 26 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 1: folks there's not necessary saily a true written out American dream, 27 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 1: but they represent people who live their lives out loud 28 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:11,919 Speaker 1: and unapologetically. How they got there, I do not know, 29 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 1: but they do do it. In her latest film, The Inspection, 30 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:21,920 Speaker 1: Gabby plays a mother that is very angry with her 31 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 1: son who is gay, and she kicks him out of 32 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 1: the house when he's sixteen years old, and their relationship 33 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 1: is estranged. But the Sun wants to have a relationship 34 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 1: with his mother, wants the validation, wants her once her touch, 35 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 1: wants her love in his life. The Sun is played 36 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 1: by an actor who I believe is up and coming 37 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 1: and people really enjoy him. But more importantly, it is 38 00:02:55,560 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 1: based off of true events written by the director this film, Elegance. 39 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 1: His name is Elegance Bretton and he in fact wrote 40 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 1: this story about his life and he came to Gabby 41 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: and he says, hey, I think you can do this role. 42 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 1: You can play this mother, and Gabby says, I don't 43 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:15,880 Speaker 1: know what you're talking about. I can't play that role. 44 00:03:15,960 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 1: I don't know how to be angry with my children, 45 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:20,360 Speaker 1: nor did I grow up in a household with an 46 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 1: angry parent mother more specifically, but he saw something in 47 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: her that she didn't see in herself, and I think 48 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:34,359 Speaker 1: she bodied the role. I could see why Elegance, the 49 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 1: writer and director of this film, wanted her to play 50 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 1: his mother. Gabby and Dwayne are very public about their 51 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 1: transgender daughter, Ziah, and I think in that space they've 52 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:55,160 Speaker 1: become leaders in terms of the willingness to share her 53 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 1: life out loud and publicly, but more specifically to to 54 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 1: help those around him want more understanding, because I do 55 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:08,200 Speaker 1: believe there's a part of a community that we just 56 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: don't understand. L g B t Q community lives in 57 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 1: a in a space in which I think is separate, 58 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 1: and it shouldn't be, but it is. And if you 59 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 1: don't understand or care to learn about that community, we 60 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 1: make these incredible judgments. And in the film, I believe 61 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:31,160 Speaker 1: the mother did that with her son. So I can 62 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 1: see the parallels and why the director wanted Gabby but 63 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 1: she pointed out something that I believe is probably far 64 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: more important that most parents may not even talk about. 65 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: In your pursuit of loving your child. And I'm struggling 66 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 1: with my words here because I'm going to share something 67 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 1: really personal, But in your pursuit to love your child, 68 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: um that love can can come across very angry, or 69 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:57,279 Speaker 1: you could be afraid for your child. Imagine your child 70 00:04:57,360 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 1: coming to you and saying, at a young age, I'm 71 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: gay or guess what, I don't feel like I'm a boy. 72 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 1: I'm a girl. Uh and I and I don't relate 73 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 1: to being a boy, even though that is my assigned gender. 74 00:05:07,560 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 1: I want to be a girl. That's scary. It's scary 75 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:14,719 Speaker 1: to tell that story. And it's also scary when you're black. 76 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 1: Not only are you black, you're asking for extra scrutiny. 77 00:05:19,200 --> 00:05:21,720 Speaker 1: Perhaps the parent feels like, oh my god, if you 78 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:23,560 Speaker 1: go into the world and you say that you're gay 79 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 1: or you're transgender, life is going to be so much 80 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: more difficult for you. And so instead of just saying 81 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:30,600 Speaker 1: I love you and I'm gonna protect you from this 82 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:34,239 Speaker 1: in the most healthy way, it comes across as anger. 83 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:36,480 Speaker 1: And that is what Gabby had to dig deep for 84 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:44,160 Speaker 1: in this film anger and I personally have such a 85 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 1: back and forth, sometimes a strange relationship with my mother, 86 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 1: not because of gender issues or whether my sexuality is 87 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:56,479 Speaker 1: an issue for her. It is because she has lived 88 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 1: in a world that has been so angry towards her, 89 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 1: and because she doesn't know how to express her anger 90 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 1: with the world, she expresses it towards me. And that's 91 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 1: that's a tough pill to swallow, because you do want 92 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: your parents validation. I do want my mother to live 93 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 1: this life with me. I do want her to be 94 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:21,360 Speaker 1: around me all of the time. But she can't because 95 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 1: she's angry. And she's not angry at me. She's angry 96 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:30,039 Speaker 1: at the world, the promise that she never lived. She's 97 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:33,719 Speaker 1: angry at being tired. She's angry at being overt not looked, 98 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:36,840 Speaker 1: at the way she feels she should be perceived or heard. 99 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 1: And so sometimes you take it out on those you 100 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: love the most. And if you walk away, according to Gabby, 101 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: away from this film. If you walk away from this film, 102 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:51,600 Speaker 1: she hopes that you know you're doing damage. You are 103 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 1: harming your child. You may think you're protecting your child. 104 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 1: You may think that you are justified in being angry, 105 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:00,920 Speaker 1: but you were doing damage. But it's never too late. 106 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 1: I will always forgive my mother. She can always walk 107 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 1: back into my life. I always reach out to her, 108 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 1: I always make the effort. We have it on again, 109 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 1: off again, and I will never change that because I 110 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 1: love her and I always will. A child's love for 111 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 1: their parents, I believe, is unwavering. Because you know what 112 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 1: I've decided to do not be angry, and that is 113 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 1: a daily choice. I wake up in the morning and say, 114 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: don't be mad at the world. Don't be mad at 115 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 1: what's going on. Don't be mad at how they're treating you. 116 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 1: Don't be mad that you're not being seen the way 117 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 1: you want to be seen, or paid the way you 118 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 1: want to be paid. Don't be mad because someone with 119 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 1: less talent and less less experience is taking the position 120 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 1: you think you deserve. Don't be mad because you know 121 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: your partner, your boyfriend, your husband, whatever it may be, 122 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: is not showing up for you the way you want 123 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 1: them to. You have to make a choice every single 124 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 1: day not to be angry, and therein lies the rug 125 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 1: because it's difficult to do that. But I'm really excited 126 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 1: for my friend. She just wanted to ep this film, 127 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 1: and the film is based on true events, elegance, true events, 128 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 1: his mother. He said, no, not only do I want 129 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 1: you to ep this film, Gap, I want you to 130 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 1: play my mom. What we get into how difficult it 131 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: is to be on set and play someone who is 132 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 1: not nice, someone who is angry, and you're really playing 133 00:08:26,080 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: that person's mother, and they're directing you, and they're guiding you, 134 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 1: and they're telling you know, actually she was this mean 135 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 1: during that time. You can be more angry, you can 136 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 1: be more frustrated. I had to be heavy. Nevertheless, I'm grateful. 137 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 1: I'm grateful that she came on and shared the story, 138 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:48,560 Speaker 1: and I know that this touches her in more ways 139 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: than one, with her daughter, with her daughter's biological mother, 140 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 1: and with her husband and her ardor and the rest 141 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 1: of their family trying to live the lives that they 142 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 1: want to live. Yet and still there's someone who wants 143 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:11,839 Speaker 1: to be angry, very loud and very publicly, and that 144 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:18,079 Speaker 1: has to be painful. Sit back, listen with an open heart, 145 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 1: use your empathy, try to understand, and definitely go see 146 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 1: this film when it comes out later this month. Gabby 147 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 1: Union is Naked chi and Chepian and Chepian. Congratulations on this, Gabby. 148 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:37,959 Speaker 1: I'm not even being funny in this aspect. Uh you. 149 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:41,079 Speaker 1: I read this Vanity Fair article, I saw some trailers. 150 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 1: I didn't get to see the film. I am looking 151 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 1: forward to it. I'll wait like the rest of the pedestrians, 152 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 1: but I want to start there. You said something that 153 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 1: I think is interesting, especially in my world. What is 154 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 1: the difference between being an entertainer and an actor? Oh? 155 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 1: I think for the bulk of my career, I have 156 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:03,839 Speaker 1: focused on the bottom line, how to how to put 157 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 1: acids in the seats. I think about that first before 158 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 1: I think about, um like how to sell a project, 159 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: before I think about how to deliver an incredible performance. Um. 160 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: I think I have always judged my characters and then 161 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 1: acted out that judgment on screen. And I think those 162 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 1: two things have made me an entertainer versus an actor 163 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 1: who actually looks for uh and stays in the truth 164 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: of their character. If that makes a difference it But 165 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:42,199 Speaker 1: aren't you supposed to do both? Help me understand why 166 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:46,679 Speaker 1: can't you do both? Well? I mean, ideally that's what 167 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 1: Hollywood is supposed to be, but nowadays it's it's a 168 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 1: very corporate, you know. Um, the inspection is not corporates driven, 169 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:57,680 Speaker 1: but pretty much everything else is. You have to figure 170 00:10:57,720 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 1: out how to make sure you're at bottom line is met. Uh. 171 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 1: You know, as a producer, you gotta not just stay 172 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 1: on budget, but like hopefully come in under budget. Uh. 173 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:10,959 Speaker 1: You have to you have to hire people who have 174 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:13,760 Speaker 1: you know, you have to find the balance between people 175 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 1: who have large platforms and solid actors who can keep 176 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 1: the train on the tracks. And you have to figure 177 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:22,959 Speaker 1: out people who can sell at the end of the day. 178 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:27,680 Speaker 1: Who is newsworthy, who is interview worthy, who can come 179 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:30,959 Speaker 1: on the naked podcast? Um? And there has to be 180 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 1: a balance. And in doing that and creating that balance, 181 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 1: you do sacrifice at times some talent because you need 182 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 1: you need people to who can sell it at the 183 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 1: end of the day. Um. And luckily with the Inspection, 184 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 1: we we were able to just really focus on telling 185 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 1: the best story. So let's talk about the story. I 186 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 1: have two questions, but I'll start with the first elegance. 187 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 1: And I want to make sure that I'm very here 188 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 1: about this. This is the director also the producer. He 189 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 1: wrote this as well and in and it's based on 190 00:12:08,400 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 1: true events were very clear to be uh not say 191 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 1: that it's based solely on his life, which inspired by 192 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:17,839 Speaker 1: true events. How what's your relationship with him? Why did 193 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 1: he come to you to play the mother? I did 194 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:24,200 Speaker 1: not know him. I didn't know him at all personally. 195 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 1: But maybe a year before uh he came to me, 196 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 1: I had read this huge expose in the New York 197 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:36,839 Speaker 1: Times about his his doc um, pure kids and his 198 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:40,199 Speaker 1: life and I was wow, I was taken aback, but 199 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 1: just just an article that I clicked on on Twitter. 200 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:46,280 Speaker 1: And then like a year later, I'm talking to him 201 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:48,840 Speaker 1: like that. Him and Effie reached out about me executive 202 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:52,439 Speaker 1: producing inspection. And the more he was talking like this 203 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:55,439 Speaker 1: sounds so familiar, like your story sounds so familiar, And 204 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:57,599 Speaker 1: then I realized it was the same It was the 205 00:12:57,679 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 1: same guy that I had been reading about. And I 206 00:12:59,880 --> 00:13:03,959 Speaker 1: was like, oh wow, this guy is really talented and 207 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 1: I wanted to be in his orbit. So when they 208 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 1: asked me to read the script, I read it quickly, um, 209 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 1: which in this town you know, quickly can mean six months. 210 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 1: I read it. I actually read it like that night 211 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 1: and said, oh my gosh, I this is a winner. 212 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:20,440 Speaker 1: I want to be a part of this I saw 213 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 1: how I could be additive as a producer, and they 214 00:13:23,640 --> 00:13:27,959 Speaker 1: were like, great, great, Uh, but we would also like 215 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:33,640 Speaker 1: you to play the role of the mother. And for 216 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:36,199 Speaker 1: those folks who have not seen it, this is this 217 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:39,319 Speaker 1: is not my kind of mother that I that I 218 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 1: am in real life, that I am close to, that 219 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 1: I am inspired by. And I my first question was 220 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:50,079 Speaker 1: what have I ever given off that would make you 221 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 1: think I could do this? And certainly do this convincingly 222 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 1: because as a producer, already had my you know, my 223 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:59,559 Speaker 1: list of actresses that I wanted to go to, and 224 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 1: Lex has had a level of confidence in my ability 225 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 1: that I did not have. And he was so convincing. 226 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 1: It was contagious. And it happened at a point where 227 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 1: I was searching for more in my life, in my career. Um, 228 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 1: I needed, I needed my soul to be fed. And he, 229 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 1: you know, he said the right things. He wooed me. Um, 230 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: it was like Ralph Trusbant back in the day. You know, 231 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 1: Uh gave me that sensitivity that I need. But yeah, 232 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 1: I I jumped in and then I had to figure 233 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 1: out how to find my way into the character. Well, yeah, no, 234 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 1: you're not his mother, but I can see why he 235 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 1: thought you would be great in this role, Um, based 236 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 1: on your life story and how you've been able to move. 237 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 1: I think we talk about your daughter and everyone I know, 238 00:14:55,760 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 1: um admires how you indeed move with Zaiah, how you 239 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 1: guys are so very loving and bold and if nobody 240 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 1: can get on board is their problem. And the love 241 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 1: that you have to me is inspiring, and it speaking 242 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 1: of just for me makes me want to know more 243 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 1: and learn more and be more open. I think it 244 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 1: works perfectly for this role, which is just the little 245 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:33,040 Speaker 1: bit that I've seen. I was like, okay, yes, like 246 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 1: I love it. How hard was it to just be 247 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 1: that angry? And you know, the director is talking about 248 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 1: his mother. Yeah, so we got greenlit and I believe 249 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 1: it was February fourteen and his mom passed February. So 250 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 1: so as a human being and as a mother, you 251 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 1: want to grieve, you know, and comfort and nurture a 252 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 1: child grieving their parents. And it was hard to not 253 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 1: want to rewrite history and certainly rewrite the movie too, 254 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 1: reflect his pain and his love, you know that are 255 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 1: all kind of wrapped in their together and we had 256 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 1: to make sure, you know, as as as as executive producers, 257 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 1: which story are we going to tell? Because you know, 258 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 1: children are notoriously unreliable narrators. Um, And this is a 259 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 1: grieving child, right, And our director and our writer and 260 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 1: our fellow producer and elegance was committed to to sticking 261 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 1: with the script that we had all signed on for. 262 00:16:56,600 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 1: But in doing that and grieving and working through the 263 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 1: grief and me having to stay committed to my character's truth, 264 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:12,640 Speaker 1: it just felt hurtful, you know what I mean, because 265 00:17:12,680 --> 00:17:15,760 Speaker 1: that's not how who I am. Like. I don't say 266 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 1: these kinds of things, certainly not to my child much 267 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 1: just to anybody else's child. Um. It felt hard and 268 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:27,199 Speaker 1: hurtful and dark, and I had to stay in that character. 269 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:30,680 Speaker 1: And I'm a full disclosure, I absolutely made fun of 270 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:33,879 Speaker 1: actors who are like I couldn't lose the character, you 271 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:40,400 Speaker 1: know it until my ass was like I'm talking my therapist, UM, 272 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 1: going mining the darkness that exists in my soul that 273 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 1: comes out of the desire to assimilate UM and to 274 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 1: tap dance for the oppressor in a way that I 275 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 1: think is supposed to make me worthy and good and 276 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:06,719 Speaker 1: deserving and all of the things. UM, I could recognize 277 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:13,120 Speaker 1: that in the mother ins and the character, because we're 278 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 1: all sold to build the goods, right and if you 279 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:20,400 Speaker 1: just do this, this and this. But as black mothers, 280 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:23,200 Speaker 1: from the time our children are born, we're trying to 281 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 1: figure their own ways of keeping them safe, um and 282 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:29,159 Speaker 1: giving them every opportunity in the world. Right. But from 283 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:31,120 Speaker 1: the time they're born, we're looking at their nail beds 284 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:33,119 Speaker 1: and their ears to see how dark they're going to be, 285 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 1: to see what kind of world they're gonna have, just 286 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:41,680 Speaker 1: on colorism alone, right then you add in anything else 287 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 1: about their identity, right, and we try to force them 288 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 1: into boxes that we think are going to keep them safe, 289 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 1: that we think are going to protect them, that we 290 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 1: think are going to make them good in the eyes 291 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 1: of people who would not spit in our direction if 292 00:18:59,880 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 1: we were on fired mm hmm. And the hope of 293 00:19:05,119 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 1: getting a little bit closer to whatever our definition of 294 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 1: the good life is that American dream, the milk and honey, 295 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:17,119 Speaker 1: whatever you wanted to, you know, call it. And I 296 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 1: think in her mind, she made a soul sacrifice, soul 297 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 1: sacrifice that we've all made, thinking that she was protecting 298 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 1: her child, and she bartered with her child. She gambled 299 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 1: with her child, and she put him on the table 300 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 1: and she was willing to lose him forever, thinking it 301 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 1: was protecting him. And that's dark dark. Hey everyone, we 302 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:49,920 Speaker 1: gotta pay some bills, so don't go anywhere. Gabby is 303 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 1: getting deep, like deep and explaining to us something that 304 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:57,440 Speaker 1: only she could from her perspective. Fast forward through the commercial. 305 00:19:57,520 --> 00:19:59,920 Speaker 1: Will be back in a moment. Every champion and care 306 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 1: be champion has to be a Champiana Champion and carry 307 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 1: Chappion and carry Chapiana Champion and carry Chappion and carry 308 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 1: Chappius spots. And then the same make and make it 309 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 1: work her harry Champion and carry champions to be a champion, 310 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 1: a champion, they carry Champion, the champion, they carry champion 311 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:26,119 Speaker 1: andy car with Champion spots, and then the same can 312 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 1: make it. Hey, everyone, welcome back to Naked. I will 313 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:32,919 Speaker 1: get right to it. Gabby Union giving us a word, 314 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 1: the idea of protection, and and I'll ask you about 315 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:42,680 Speaker 1: the character. So the the story of a mother disowning 316 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:46,160 Speaker 1: her son in so many ways because he's gay, um 317 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 1: and and she thinks that's protection. Have you ever once 318 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 1: as a mother felt like he would have to do 319 00:20:56,760 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 1: something that dark or maybe that ex dream to protect 320 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 1: your children. No, no, I just and probably because I 321 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 1: wasn't raised that way. Um, you met my mom lovely 322 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 1: my mom. You know, we're from the north side of Omaha. 323 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 1: My mom my, my mom's side of the family is 324 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 1: very Catholic, like very very very very Catholic. But when 325 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:25,160 Speaker 1: we moved from the from Omaha to the Bay Area, 326 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:27,240 Speaker 1: my mom was like, oh, I am committed to raising 327 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:30,359 Speaker 1: my girls with the world perspective, not a town perspective. 328 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 1: And I want them to be comfortable and respectful and 329 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 1: be able to move in and and be good in 330 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 1: every hood. And some of those hoods are going to 331 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 1: have queer folks in them. She took this to our 332 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 1: first pride paraded eight years old, and I got a 333 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 1: little She got us a little buttons that said straight 334 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:50,160 Speaker 1: but not narrow minded, and we were a little yeah. 335 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 1: And that was in eighty one, well before it was 336 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 1: the thing to do. You know, in high school, one 337 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:00,680 Speaker 1: of my best friends he had even come out, but 338 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:03,440 Speaker 1: his family suspected it. And one he was like Thanksgiving 339 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 1: or Christmas, his belief. It was like his uncle or 340 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 1: cousin or a family member punched him in the nose 341 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 1: for being gay, even though he had not claimed that 342 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 1: identity yet, and him and his sister fled to our house. 343 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,719 Speaker 1: And our house has just been a sanctuary, even when 344 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 1: I personally wasn't a sanctuary because I was still learning, 345 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 1: because I'm like, listen, they I didn't smile with my 346 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 1: upper lip, thinking would make me less black for years. 347 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 1: So having a friend that of also of color, E's 348 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 1: Puerto rican Um, like, we're already, we already have targets 349 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 1: on our back in this all white community, Like, don't 350 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,679 Speaker 1: add it to it. So I wasn't a safe haven. 351 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:45,160 Speaker 1: He didn't tell me for years because I wasn't safe. 352 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 1: I literally fought a whole party to defend his head 353 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:55,440 Speaker 1: our sexuality. You know, he's like, Okay, the way my 354 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:58,359 Speaker 1: mom raised us, I have so much confidence in how 355 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:01,680 Speaker 1: I moved through the world as a parent, unapologetic in 356 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:05,880 Speaker 1: how I protect and love my children, uh all of them. 357 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:10,679 Speaker 1: So when Zaiah claimed her identity in the third grade, 358 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:14,920 Speaker 1: we were very clear that this house and anything that 359 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 1: we touch will be a sanctuary, not just for her, 360 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:22,359 Speaker 1: but you know, the whole community. And if you can't 361 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 1: get with it, these doors are not open to you, 362 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:29,760 Speaker 1: and this wallet is not open to you. And so 363 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 1: I guess which one was the more motivating factory. But 364 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,359 Speaker 1: imagine how many people got right with the lord, you know, 365 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:42,920 Speaker 1: to make sure that they still had access right, And 366 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,359 Speaker 1: I don't care how you get there, because it's almost 367 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,639 Speaker 1: like ticket. And then next thing you know, they're on 368 00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 1: the float at the at the bread right. Um and 369 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 1: that and I think that happened for a lot a 370 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 1: lot of folks that were around us that we're faced 371 00:23:55,800 --> 00:24:00,680 Speaker 1: with being cut off because if you if if there 372 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 1: is something inside of you that that makes you want 373 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 1: to speak ill of a child, any reasons. I don't 374 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 1: want you in my house. I don't want you in 375 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 1: my business. I don't want you, I don't want to 376 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 1: cross this. I don't want to share a sidewalk with you, 377 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 1: much less sit across the table from you. So that 378 00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 1: was quite easy. Um and Zai has grown up with 379 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 1: knowing that CoV has grown up with knowing that all 380 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:35,159 Speaker 1: of the children have grown up knowing that who they 381 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:39,439 Speaker 1: are is protected in this house. Who they are, they 382 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 1: will have peace and grace and compassion and love and 383 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:48,640 Speaker 1: respect and guidance in this house. We don't need to Yeah, 384 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:51,320 Speaker 1: you know you know I'm about to go up, but 385 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 1: I Beach has been very comfortable with what I was 386 00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:59,639 Speaker 1: going to say was because I'm not a mom. But 387 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 1: the the immediate idea is to protect especially children, Like 388 00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:05,359 Speaker 1: why are you going after a child? How do you 389 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 1: deal with the critics? How do you deal? And I 390 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:09,920 Speaker 1: know you it's you probably figured out a way to 391 00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 1: silence and noise because as an artist, people will criticize 392 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 1: you period. As a black woman, You're going to be 393 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:19,679 Speaker 1: criticized period, as a beautiful woman, as someone who is successful, 394 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 1: people are mad and jealous and the list goes on. 395 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 1: But when they are attacking your child for claiming her identity, 396 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,639 Speaker 1: how do you handle that? It's kind of like how 397 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 1: I handle any troll you know on social media. I 398 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,920 Speaker 1: go to their page instead, I g s talked them. 399 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 1: I I go down the rabbit hole. And let me 400 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:43,399 Speaker 1: tell you, there has never been anyone who said anything 401 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:47,639 Speaker 1: about me, My husband, our children, our home are nothing. 402 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:52,679 Speaker 1: My friends who has a life that I am inspired by? 403 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:58,359 Speaker 1: That I want that I respect? Not one, not one, 404 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:08,200 Speaker 1: so God bless. Everyone is entitled to their opinion about whatever. 405 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:10,440 Speaker 1: I don't have to listen to it. I don't have 406 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 1: to respect and I certainly don't need to center it 407 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 1: in my life. UM. But it also thank you for 408 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:20,119 Speaker 1: exposing yourself. Thank you for letting everyone know exactly who 409 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 1: the hell you are, so others can ignore you and 410 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:29,639 Speaker 1: avoid you just as easily and then not necessarily full circle. 411 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 1: You have this character inaz this this this woman who 412 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 1: is um? I don't know. I don't understand it. I've 413 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:40,119 Speaker 1: had friends growing up whose parents have been angry and 414 00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,040 Speaker 1: really mean and not like their children. Me and my 415 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 1: mother have a very tough relationship that is back on 416 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 1: the men's There are times when she just doesn't like me, um, 417 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 1: and that is so painful. I carry that with me. 418 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 1: So here you are in this world which is the 419 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 1: opposite of you. But you acted, You are entertaining, you 420 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:04,359 Speaker 1: acting with a A C K. What at the end 421 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 1: of the day, what is the takeaway? What do you, 422 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 1: as an as an actor want to show? What do 423 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:18,479 Speaker 1: you want people to feel? I want audiences and especially parents, 424 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:24,639 Speaker 1: and certainly one parent in particular, that no matter your intention, 425 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 1: you are harming your child. Throwing away your children should 426 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:36,400 Speaker 1: never be on the table. And perhaps through this performance 427 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,639 Speaker 1: you can see all that you are missing when you 428 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:46,639 Speaker 1: opt to go that route and how you love your child, 429 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:51,640 Speaker 1: your version that is harmful. And perhaps you can see 430 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 1: that you are a villain in their lives, no matter 431 00:27:55,200 --> 00:28:00,679 Speaker 1: your intentions, no matter how much protection, love, safety, saving, 432 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:04,440 Speaker 1: whatever it is that you think you're doing, Hopefully you 433 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:11,440 Speaker 1: can see how much you are harming them, and and 434 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 1: you can also see how much you're missing, how much 435 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 1: you can you're missing out on the most some of 436 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 1: the most amazing people. And that is your blood. That 437 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 1: that's your family, and you're missing it, and you're choosing 438 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:28,159 Speaker 1: to miss it, and you're missing the mark. Whatever it 439 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,200 Speaker 1: is that you think you're doing, you are missing the 440 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:35,359 Speaker 1: mark and you're harming. You are causing real harm. So 441 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 1: hopefully in through me mining the darkest corners of my 442 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 1: soul and having a hard time shaking it um the people, 443 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 1: people will recognize some of their behavior in es and 444 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 1: change course. Just because you've been that way, it doesn't 445 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 1: mean you have to stay that way. Why do you 446 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 1: think her son, the director of this film, writer of 447 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 1: this movie, one of her love so badly? What is 448 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 1: it about that relationship? Because you have children, you understand this. 449 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 1: You have a relationship with your children, and there is 450 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 1: something but that mother bond. We constantly need their approval, 451 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 1: parents approval. Yeah, I mean, I'm fifty years old and 452 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 1: when anything happens good, bad, ugly, my first inclination, my 453 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 1: first instinct is I want my mom to know this. 454 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:32,960 Speaker 1: You know what I mean. And I'm not a mama's girl. 455 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 1: I buy any stretch. I am the most independent. Like 456 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 1: when people say they talked with their parents every day, 457 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 1: I'm like, how about what? Um? But when push comes 458 00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,760 Speaker 1: to shove, it's like, I want my mom, you know, 459 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 1: I want my mom's love. I want her eyes on me, 460 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,720 Speaker 1: I want her validation, I want her arms around me. 461 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:59,240 Speaker 1: I want her smile to to grace my life. And 462 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 1: Lickin said it perfectly. He said, no one has loved 463 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:08,120 Speaker 1: me more than my mother, and no one has rejected 464 00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 1: me and harmed me more than my mother. And you 465 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:19,720 Speaker 1: have to hold those with equal measure. And it is 466 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 1: such a mindful and yeah, but that that desire, I 467 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,320 Speaker 1: mean we talked about this in our real life, but 468 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 1: it's like that desire to be seen and loved in 469 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 1: a healthy, beautiful way like you see on TV. UM. 470 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 1: It never goes away, no matter how dysfunctional or estranged 471 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 1: or whatever. It never goes away, It really doesn't. And 472 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 1: you know, Elegance they he was estranged from his mom 473 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 1: for eighteen years. At a certain point, I mean you know, um, 474 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 1: and you just think, Wow, this guy is he's he's 475 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:09,320 Speaker 1: He's created a piece of art that is inspired by 476 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 1: their their love in a sense. You know, her expression 477 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 1: of that very harmful interviews, Um, but that was her expression. 478 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 1: He's done so many amazing things with his life. He 479 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 1: has a big love in his life in Chester and 480 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 1: his life partner. Um. And she missed it and she 481 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:36,560 Speaker 1: missed it and she didn't have to, and none of 482 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:41,560 Speaker 1: them have to. And I just hope people change course 483 00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:46,120 Speaker 1: because they are missing out on the best gift that 484 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:50,240 Speaker 1: they have given the woman. Every champion and care, every 485 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,960 Speaker 1: champion has to be a champion, a champion and carevery 486 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:56,320 Speaker 1: chappion and carry chappion a champion and carry chatpion and 487 00:31:56,440 --> 00:32:05,840 Speaker 1: carry champion making make it work. Yeah, carry cheppion, They 488 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:11,280 Speaker 1: carrie cheppions. A champion, they carry chippion, chepi and they 489 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 1: carry chippion. I'm not saying this for black women. I'm 490 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:21,840 Speaker 1: not saying it just for black women, but right, and 491 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 1: I might be reaching, tell me your thoughts. When we 492 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:29,760 Speaker 1: don't have the skill set to express ourselves or even 493 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 1: the ability to even sit with a therapist and and 494 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,080 Speaker 1: say we're angry, and we expressed it in so many 495 00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:41,480 Speaker 1: different ways, it manifest like she's always angry, she's mad, 496 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:45,440 Speaker 1: she's this, she's that. Okay. So I gave the example 497 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,080 Speaker 1: of when Serena was retiring ankle back to my world 498 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:50,240 Speaker 1: of sports, I can I can make the analogy better, 499 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 1: and how I loved tennis, but I hated the way 500 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:57,600 Speaker 1: they treated her. She had this very unappreciative relationship with 501 00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:01,040 Speaker 1: tennis in the sense that it gave her every thing, everything, 502 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,880 Speaker 1: changed her life, gave her generational wealth, showed her a 503 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 1: life that she and her family could never ever imagine. 504 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:11,880 Speaker 1: Yet and still this institution never really loved her, never 505 00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,840 Speaker 1: really appreciated her, treats her poorly. I wish she wasn't there, 506 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:19,600 Speaker 1: but knew that they needed her, and towards the end 507 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 1: of her career, more specifically, when she retired, I watched 508 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:26,200 Speaker 1: her I feel loved for the very first time. I 509 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 1: could see her relax, and then she goes, you know, 510 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,280 Speaker 1: I'm so misunderstood. Everyone thinks I'm so mad and I'm 511 00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,360 Speaker 1: so angry, and I'm like, you have the right to 512 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:38,520 Speaker 1: be mad. But the misunderstanding I thought was that she 513 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,480 Speaker 1: didn't have the ability to say, why are you also mean? 514 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,440 Speaker 1: This hurts me? Why are you also disrespectful to me 515 00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 1: and my family? That hurts me? She didn't have the 516 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:51,640 Speaker 1: ability to be vulnerable. But what's comfortable for us sometimes 517 00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 1: in our culture is anger. Anger feels so comfortable, Vulnerability 518 00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:01,640 Speaker 1: is so scary. So I wonder if that's what she 519 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,720 Speaker 1: was feeling as a mother, and that's what you're able 520 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:09,480 Speaker 1: to portray, like she was scared that he came across 521 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:13,920 Speaker 1: his anger. That is that's fair? You know, I don't. 522 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,319 Speaker 1: That's that's just there, I think because as a as 523 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 1: a mother, dealing with certain things like like using an 524 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:27,920 Speaker 1: example of of school, right, we've worked our asses off, 525 00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,480 Speaker 1: we put our kids in these schools, and black children, 526 00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:33,520 Speaker 1: no matter how much money you have, no matter who 527 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,960 Speaker 1: your parents are, they're over disciplined. Right. The discipline is unequal. 528 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,000 Speaker 1: And I gotta take off from being Mary Jane to 529 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:43,120 Speaker 1: fly to Chicago and handle a priest, the dean of 530 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:47,520 Speaker 1: discipline um and and come with receipts, and and and 531 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:52,279 Speaker 1: bibliographies of of the history of the disparate treatment that 532 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,359 Speaker 1: he has doled out to students over the last twenty years. 533 00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:02,759 Speaker 1: But I had to do it in a way where 534 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,160 Speaker 1: I wasn't where I didn't become the villain. But I 535 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:11,440 Speaker 1: had so much rage, so much rage, and always have 536 00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,480 Speaker 1: to try to channel that rage, as you know. And 537 00:35:14,560 --> 00:35:16,840 Speaker 1: it's only black people that and specifically black women, that 538 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:21,360 Speaker 1: they asked to channel that rage into something more constructive, 539 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:27,560 Speaker 1: that's more helpful. Fuck you, Like I unleashed the chapa 540 00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:31,120 Speaker 1: on that priest. And while they didn't do it in 541 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,080 Speaker 1: my presence, because god, they couldn't give me that. A 542 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:36,960 Speaker 1: week later they fired that priest because it was a 543 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:42,520 Speaker 1: damn liability. But I had to. It was the first 544 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:46,440 Speaker 1: time that my anger ever paid off, you know what 545 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:51,120 Speaker 1: I mean where And it was only because the person 546 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,439 Speaker 1: that had taken over that school was a business person, 547 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,160 Speaker 1: and I spoke to them about liability and how that 548 00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,279 Speaker 1: man was live like a liability like I would. You know, 549 00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,200 Speaker 1: at this point, I'm so when motherfucker isn't winning, right, 550 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:07,320 Speaker 1: so nobody wants to from over here. But I was 551 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:12,240 Speaker 1: able to be my full self and in that moment, 552 00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,640 Speaker 1: my rage worked. But it's been the only time in 553 00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,200 Speaker 1: my career where I have been able to show the 554 00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:23,799 Speaker 1: rage that comes from my fear of my children being 555 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:29,759 Speaker 1: mistreated or maligned or marginalized, or my fear for my 556 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:36,759 Speaker 1: child safety. You know, like there's there's people in mm hmm, 557 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:44,359 Speaker 1: our world of entertainment that I who have I've known 558 00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,840 Speaker 1: and been friends with for for many years, and I 559 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:51,520 Speaker 1: have to I'm constantly figuring out how to say things 560 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:57,040 Speaker 1: so I can be helpful. But at the end of 561 00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:00,760 Speaker 1: the day, it's if you think this should have fucking funny, 562 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,960 Speaker 1: fuck you. I don't care that you worded it in 563 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,680 Speaker 1: a joke. It's the same fucking words that are being 564 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,000 Speaker 1: used to threaten the life of my children and people 565 00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:12,960 Speaker 1: like her. Do you not see that that a nothing 566 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:18,760 Speaker 1: funny about that ship? Mhmm. But like yeah, in as 567 00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:28,040 Speaker 1: she never tamps down on the anger because but her 568 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:32,160 Speaker 1: anger comes from being promised the American dream. And if 569 00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:33,799 Speaker 1: you do X, Y and Z, if you're a good 570 00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,640 Speaker 1: law you know, Christian mother, you stick, you adhere to 571 00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:40,759 Speaker 1: the Bible, you cast out your own child because of 572 00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:43,800 Speaker 1: religious reasons or whatever reasons that you come up with. 573 00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:46,680 Speaker 1: All of these things that are supposed to lead you 574 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:51,160 Speaker 1: to milk and honey, and and what full respective respectability 575 00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,120 Speaker 1: politics and full assimilation is supposed to lead to. And 576 00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:59,640 Speaker 1: you you haven't gotten out the hood, but you've thrown 577 00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:03,719 Speaker 1: away a child. You've done all the shape shifting, you've 578 00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:08,920 Speaker 1: been tap dancing forever to to do what Because the 579 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:12,160 Speaker 1: bar is gonna keep changing every day, all the time. 580 00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:19,200 Speaker 1: It's full's gold. So yeah, you're focusing on your anger, 581 00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,400 Speaker 1: not on the oppressor that that put us in this position, 582 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:26,920 Speaker 1: that uses organized religion to keep us docile and and 583 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:34,040 Speaker 1: control controllable. You turn that on your child. You turn 584 00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:38,120 Speaker 1: all that venom that you really have for the the oppressors, 585 00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:39,719 Speaker 1: the people that have put you in this position, that 586 00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:41,880 Speaker 1: wouldn't spit in your direction if you are on fire. 587 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:44,880 Speaker 1: You turn all that venom that you really have for 588 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:48,680 Speaker 1: them on your own child. You know, my people that 589 00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,279 Speaker 1: you that are trying to help your child, like, that's 590 00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,040 Speaker 1: not fair. It's so heavy. And when you said that, 591 00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:55,440 Speaker 1: and I don't mean to cut you off, when you 592 00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:58,160 Speaker 1: said you stayed in this space, I remember, and I'm 593 00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,160 Speaker 1: not look, I don't know your world that way, but 594 00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:02,320 Speaker 1: I remember one actress. I forget who she was like 595 00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,080 Speaker 1: one of these movies start type ladies, and I remember 596 00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,759 Speaker 1: her saying, oh, oh, this is random. This has nothing 597 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,239 Speaker 1: to do with like I mean, he I don't. He's 598 00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:13,399 Speaker 1: an entertainer, call him an actor who knows Vin Diesel goes, 599 00:39:13,800 --> 00:39:17,040 Speaker 1: I never he goes. I will never do. He did 600 00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,440 Speaker 1: Man on Fire I think was the name of the movie, 601 00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:21,400 Speaker 1: and I remember watching a late night show and he 602 00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:23,120 Speaker 1: was like, I'll never do that again because I couldn't 603 00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,120 Speaker 1: get out of that mood. I couldn't get out of 604 00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,200 Speaker 1: my wife is dead and kill my family mood. It 605 00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:32,160 Speaker 1: was so heavy. It's so heavy. So when you say this, 606 00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:34,200 Speaker 1: like when you say you went there, I've heard this 607 00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,759 Speaker 1: before or even you know, I hear actors say it 608 00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,840 Speaker 1: all the time, like when you do this, it's so 609 00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,759 Speaker 1: hard to leave this space. And what you're describing is 610 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:48,960 Speaker 1: such a space of despair and so heavy and and 611 00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,200 Speaker 1: and so well why am I here? And what is next? 612 00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,359 Speaker 1: And you don't have anybody to lash out on, right. UM. 613 00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:59,400 Speaker 1: I do believe there's something that is sacred about an 614 00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,319 Speaker 1: anger that you're entitled to have, especially as a black woman, 615 00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,640 Speaker 1: because it feels you, it can motivate you, it can 616 00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:09,240 Speaker 1: inspire you. That's a sacred anger. But in the society 617 00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,800 Speaker 1: that we live in, the only people who are allowed 618 00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:15,120 Speaker 1: to be angry are white men and show their anger. Right, 619 00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:18,120 Speaker 1: Like I can be Elon and go off and be mad. 620 00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:19,879 Speaker 1: I could be Trump and go off and be mad, 621 00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:23,680 Speaker 1: and it's sacred and respected. We we don't have the 622 00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:27,600 Speaker 1: power to be angry, and that makes you even more angry. 623 00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:29,839 Speaker 1: So when you go to Chicago and you go off 624 00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:32,759 Speaker 1: with your kid, oh on this person for over disciplining 625 00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:36,680 Speaker 1: your child, that's a sacred, righteous anger. And that was 626 00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:41,000 Speaker 1: your power, and that was to me, that's what it 627 00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,959 Speaker 1: should be used for, right, That's that's when you see 628 00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,280 Speaker 1: your power. Like I would have walked away, like I'm yes, fired, 629 00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,120 Speaker 1: he deserved it. That's my anger, you know what I'm saying. 630 00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,200 Speaker 1: And you said you controlled it. No, I had to. 631 00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,040 Speaker 1: I mean I let it fly, but like I left 632 00:40:56,080 --> 00:41:01,680 Speaker 1: them in the chamber, right. But honestly, like my anger, 633 00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,600 Speaker 1: it's at at things that I've seen in this industry. 634 00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,160 Speaker 1: My anger at things I've seen in the world, experienced 635 00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:14,680 Speaker 1: in the world, all justified. But when I have unleashed 636 00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:20,120 Speaker 1: that anger, I have gotten results, not just for me 637 00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:25,520 Speaker 1: my family, but for those around me. And so I 638 00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:29,480 Speaker 1: try to remind myself that my anger can be very helpful, 639 00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:33,799 Speaker 1: because when I'm angry and in a rage, some people 640 00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:36,640 Speaker 1: can't organize thoughts. I become like my brain is like 641 00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,160 Speaker 1: hyper focused and hyper organized, and I can organize and 642 00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:46,000 Speaker 1: and deliver a read of death that that will bring 643 00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:49,160 Speaker 1: you to your needs. And because I come with fact figures, bibliocropy, 644 00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:53,120 Speaker 1: pie charts what you need um because I don't, I 645 00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:55,959 Speaker 1: don't speak just to hear myself talk like I don't. 646 00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,440 Speaker 1: I love silence. But when I let it go, it 647 00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:05,440 Speaker 1: has been official. But in this character, the depth of 648 00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:08,000 Speaker 1: the which I had to go, and when I realized 649 00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,600 Speaker 1: that there was a common thread that ran between me 650 00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:15,400 Speaker 1: and her that I never would want to recognize, the 651 00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:21,040 Speaker 1: darkness and the oaky doke negro of it all, and 652 00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:25,920 Speaker 1: the belief that if you just sacrid, make these soul sacrifices, 653 00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,680 Speaker 1: that it will pay off in some kind of way. 654 00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:36,080 Speaker 1: And I've done it. I sacrificed my scruples, I've sacrificed 655 00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,759 Speaker 1: my soul, I've sacrificed relationships, I sacrificed my upper lip. 656 00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:42,880 Speaker 1: I didn't smile, you know, in high school with my 657 00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,240 Speaker 1: upper lip because I thought it was exposing my blackness. 658 00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,399 Speaker 1: Girl the second grade when I show up in that town. 659 00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:50,640 Speaker 1: But like the things that you want to love me, 660 00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:55,360 Speaker 1: I love your honesty, reasonable and reasonable, just not reasonable 661 00:42:56,280 --> 00:43:03,120 Speaker 1: and so yeah, But I I do wish that that 662 00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:06,640 Speaker 1: people would be angry at the right people, because we 663 00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:09,560 Speaker 1: tend to we don't have we don't always have access 664 00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:13,920 Speaker 1: to the to the Jivetto of the world, the Gapettos 665 00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:19,200 Speaker 1: of the world. That's who we need to be angry at. 666 00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:21,839 Speaker 1: And what a lot of times it ends up happening. 667 00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,360 Speaker 1: Is we just we We we unleashed the trump on 668 00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:29,680 Speaker 1: the people who are closest to us, and it's it's harmful. 669 00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:33,879 Speaker 1: I can't say it enough. It is harmful. You will 670 00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:37,240 Speaker 1: not get this time back. You are doing irreparable harm 671 00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:41,600 Speaker 1: no matter what your intention is, and it is never 672 00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:46,080 Speaker 1: too late to change course. It just fucking isn't I 673 00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:48,480 Speaker 1: love you? Since this seems like this role was made 674 00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:51,160 Speaker 1: for you, even though you say you can't even relate, 675 00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:54,480 Speaker 1: it seems like this is me. I look the inspection, 676 00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:58,879 Speaker 1: I'm locked in. Look how I feel, Awards coming up, 677 00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:07,239 Speaker 1: nominations coming up. I just I just want. I just 678 00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:09,319 Speaker 1: know you're trying to do that. You know we're doing 679 00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:12,320 Speaker 1: good too. We send a message to you know. I 680 00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:17,200 Speaker 1: think I think I just want parents, especially to leave 681 00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:22,200 Speaker 1: this recognizing that they have probably been the villain in 682 00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:25,279 Speaker 1: someone's life and that they can change and they don't 683 00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:28,200 Speaker 1: have to continue to be one parent in particular. So 684 00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:32,919 Speaker 1: that is my win. If I can reach certain people. 685 00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:35,880 Speaker 1: I see you, and I cure you, and I know 686 00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:39,160 Speaker 1: what you're saying, and I hope so too, because you deserve. 687 00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,240 Speaker 1: You deserve. That's it, you deserve. I love you, Gabby. 688 00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:43,960 Speaker 1: I know you gotta go. Thank you for talking to 689 00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:47,279 Speaker 1: make There were several times I thought Gabby was gonna 690 00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:49,920 Speaker 1: cry because I know I was gonna cry. I'm really 691 00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:51,759 Speaker 1: emotional these days. I don't know if I'm getting my 692 00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:56,359 Speaker 1: boom boom that's that's lady talk. But these last few 693 00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:58,400 Speaker 1: days I have been boom woo in every five seconds. 694 00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:02,040 Speaker 1: Maybe that's the case. Uh. Nevertheless, I'm grateful that she 695 00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:06,080 Speaker 1: shared that story. I'm grateful that she's sharing her story. 696 00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:10,400 Speaker 1: I'm more grateful that she's allowing her daughter Zaiah to 697 00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:14,399 Speaker 1: live the life that she has always imagined with unconditional love, 698 00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:17,600 Speaker 1: with nothing but support and surrounding her with people who 699 00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:21,320 Speaker 1: love her. It cannot be easy. I'm talking to my 700 00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:24,200 Speaker 1: producer and she says to me, you know, I came 701 00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:27,520 Speaker 1: out to my parents, my mother, and she was supportive. 702 00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:31,480 Speaker 1: But the reality is it's hard. It's hard to be 703 00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:36,359 Speaker 1: yourself in this world. Don't you think if people could 704 00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:39,080 Speaker 1: live a different life, they would, a life that would 705 00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:43,400 Speaker 1: be quote unquote more publicly accepted. Don't you think that 706 00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:48,719 Speaker 1: they would. It is hard to be yourself, your authentic, 707 00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:51,239 Speaker 1: true self. Trust to me, I struggle with that every 708 00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:53,800 Speaker 1: single day, with this podcast, with the TV show, with 709 00:45:54,000 --> 00:46:00,239 Speaker 1: my family, with my friends. I am loud, I am opinionated. UM, 710 00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:03,000 Speaker 1: I can be intimidating. I'm well aware of all of that. 711 00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:05,439 Speaker 1: But that's just who I am, and I've made peace 712 00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:11,399 Speaker 1: with that. If I could be quiet, and I could 713 00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:16,120 Speaker 1: be you know, more affable, if I could make white 714 00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:18,200 Speaker 1: folks more comfortable, I would. I don't know how to 715 00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:22,560 Speaker 1: do that because that's not me. This is me. This 716 00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:26,600 Speaker 1: is how I'm showing up in the world, and that's okay. 717 00:46:28,040 --> 00:46:33,279 Speaker 1: I just have to make sure that I properly deal 718 00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:36,960 Speaker 1: with this anger and not turn it on those who 719 00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:42,680 Speaker 1: love me. Check out the film, The Inspection. I am 720 00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:45,800 Speaker 1: hoping that this is one of those films where my 721 00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:49,080 Speaker 1: girl is seen for her acting chops, and she is 722 00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:53,799 Speaker 1: seen for UM, the complex character that she can be UM, 723 00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:56,359 Speaker 1: and that she finally I believe, get her chest due 724 00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:00,879 Speaker 1: in this dang on Hollywood World. The Inspection again out 725 00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:04,480 Speaker 1: later this month. Thank you for listening to Nake It 726 00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:11,640 Speaker 1: m HM