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Speaker 1: of Sexual Exploration and Power. Now let's get to the show.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's get into the mess. I'm your girl,

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Speaker 1: Mandy B and we are talking about it, and I'm

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Speaker 1: not here to play it safe. We are entering the

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Speaker 1: third week of the chaos that is the Ditties trial,

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Speaker 1: and already the streets are louder than the courtroom, allegations,

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Speaker 1: flying videos, leaking reputations and ravelin. And yeah, the biggest

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Speaker 1: question on everybody's lips ain't even about Diddy's guilt. Nope,

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Speaker 1: it's was Cassie really a victim? Or was she just

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Speaker 1: down with the freaky shit?

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Speaker 2: Like?

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Speaker 1: What are we talking about here? We have a woman

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Speaker 1: coming forward with graphic, disturbing details, claims that involve control

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Speaker 1: abuse and yes, free costs, and instead of asking what

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Speaker 1: kind of man orchestrates that kind of lifestyle and who

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Speaker 1: gets harmed in the process, folks are out here debating

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Speaker 1: if Cassie was just a consenting adult with kinks, as

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Speaker 1: if sharing a bedroom fantasy automatically means you're consenting to

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Speaker 1: being trafficked, beaten, or coerce. So let's get selective with

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Speaker 1: our ignorance real quick, because we need to talk about

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Speaker 1: the fact that people are way more comfortable scrutinizing her

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Speaker 1: behavior than questioning his. I'm seeing think pieces on Twitter

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Speaker 1: threads trying to paint Cassie like she was just going

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Speaker 1: along with it for the lifestyle that she stayed because

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Speaker 1: of the money, the cloud, the red carpets, that maybe

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Speaker 1: she liked the power dynamic. But can we pause for

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Speaker 1: a second, since Wn died, being a young woman in

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Speaker 1: a relationship with an older, powerful man automatically make you

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Speaker 1: complicit in your own abuse.

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Speaker 3: Stop it, get some help.

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Speaker 1: We've got to talk about how we weaponize consent. Just

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Speaker 1: because someone says yes in a high pressure, high control

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Speaker 1: environment does not mean that they have the freedom to

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Speaker 1: say no. That's not consent, that's survival. And for all

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Speaker 1: the people saying she should have loved, she could have

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Speaker 1: loved like we ain't see the car getting blown up,

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Speaker 1: let's not act like trauma bonding and Stockholm syndrome don't exist.

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Speaker 1: Y'all love to quote true crime documentaries until it's a

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Speaker 1: woman you don't feel sorry for. We need to ask

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Speaker 1: why are people so quick to paint Diddy as a

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Speaker 1: misunderstood kinckster and so quick to villainize the woman who

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Speaker 1: finally found her voice. Is it because we don't want

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Speaker 1: to believe that someone that rich, that powerful, that influential

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Speaker 1: could be an abuser? Or is it deeper? Is society

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Speaker 1: still so uncomfortable with women calling out harm, especially if

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Speaker 1: So today I'm not here to tell you if Diddy

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Speaker 1: is guilty or innocent. That's the course job. But I

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Speaker 1: am here to question why our first instinct is to

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Speaker 1: interrogate the victim instead of the accused, why we treat

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Speaker 1: abuse like a PR scandal instead of a power imbalance,

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Speaker 1: and why when it comes to women like Cassie, the

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Speaker 1: world would rather call her a gold digger than a survivor.

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Speaker 1: Let's get into a baby. We all selective ignorance. And

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Speaker 1: I'm so so, so, so so excited to be joined

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Speaker 1: with a good friend of mine. Yeah yeah, oh, y'all,

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Speaker 1: we have Jason John Jod's gonna be the name because

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Speaker 1: I can't throll you Jason Lee, because there's another Jason Lee.

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Speaker 3: Me, Me and King talked about that.

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Speaker 4: When I walked in, she was like Jason Jason, and

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Speaker 4: he was like Jake Money and never called me Jason called.

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Speaker 1: You Jason everan always been Jah now, y'all. Joe has

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Speaker 1: been a Boss Up editor the Bossip Editor since twenty eleven,

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Speaker 1: and he's likely the man behind one of your favorite

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Speaker 1: bossip headlines. He's also recently been a regular face on CNN.

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Speaker 3: I'll be back on Sunday if y'all got early Sunday morning.

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Speaker 4: If y'all not doing enough for early Sunday morning, I'll

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Speaker 4: be back on there seven am.

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Speaker 1: And you know what, it makes sense to also refer

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Speaker 1: to you John in this setting, because y'all know I'm

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Speaker 1: joined by my super producers. We got Jason the producer,

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Speaker 1: Jason in the building, and then we got a key

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Speaker 1: their gang gang Gang Gang Gang. There we go, there

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Speaker 1: we go. Oh my god, I'm with all of this.

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Speaker 1: These men, all the stosterone are we show?

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Speaker 3: Werena get sixty minutes though, what you mean sixty minutes?

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Speaker 3: I think we could probably do it two hours. We e,

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Speaker 3: this is going all day?

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Speaker 1: Okay, not all day. This ain't no freak off. This

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Speaker 1: is not because this would actually be a game.

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Speaker 3: I want you to define with freak off too. Later

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Speaker 3: on we'll get this a lot.

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Speaker 1: We'll get into the ditties of it all. The Cassie

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Speaker 1: is the trial of it all. But this is how

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Speaker 1: you know we are all actually like real cool with

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Speaker 1: each other. I actually wanted to start by asking Joe, like,

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Speaker 1: you know, kind of what the hell you been actually

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Speaker 1: leaning into in terms of the headlines this week, Like

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Speaker 1: what have you actually cared about?

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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not gonna hold you man like this.

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Speaker 4: The Joey Badass versus everybody in the world has had

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Speaker 4: my attention. They got me but I'm a sucker for

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Speaker 4: this type of shit like this, like this rap shit

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Speaker 4: I love like I don't care who it is. I

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Speaker 4: don't care what the status is. I don't care how

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Speaker 4: many records you sold. If you're gonna rap, I just

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Speaker 4: want to see niggas go through it now.

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Speaker 1: You don't care how many records someone sold. Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 1: literally like all I'm sitting here seeing with this is

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Speaker 1: first off, Joey wanting or thinking he's gonna get a

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Speaker 1: response from Kendrick. And I was telling a king on

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Speaker 1: the phone, I said, if a podcaster that ain't got

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Speaker 1: the accolades, the records, the hits that I have even

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Speaker 1: thinks they gonna get a response out of me, they

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Speaker 1: got me fucked up, Like Kendrick has no need to

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Speaker 1: respond to anybody that's in this battle that's been happening. Yo,

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Speaker 1: y'all don't. I don't know if you're watching, I'm Mary,

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Speaker 1: I think you know what's crazy? No, because if you're

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Speaker 1: not in the in the sphere of people talking about you,

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Speaker 1: why would I bring light to you?

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Speaker 3: What I mean, picture dad.

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Speaker 1: The only thing we've been seeing Joey badass in reference

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Speaker 1: to is if you watch whatever show he's on and

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Speaker 1: they him with Soreya. They look cute, they're giving couples goals.

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Speaker 4: Well, this is the thing, right, this is this is

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Speaker 4: this is my one gripe about this whole situation. Right

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Speaker 4: is like the rec conning of Joey Badass. Right, I

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Speaker 4: get that Joey Badass in twenty was it twenty eleven,

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Speaker 4: twenty thirteen, twelve thirteen era? The blog era he puts

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Speaker 4: out a tape he was seventeen years old. It was

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Speaker 4: an impressive tape. Everybody was excited. This kid is pretty dope.

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Speaker 4: He sounds like he used to be signed a boot

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Speaker 4: Camp Click or something like that, and awesome, that's great,

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Speaker 4: But Joey hasn't given us enough to be considered some

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Speaker 4: kind of like demon Woligain scary MC that you have

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Speaker 4: what I don't understand when this happened and people are

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Speaker 4: acting like we've been talking about Joey Badass for years,

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Speaker 4: begging for him to come back and come back out, I.

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Speaker 3: Don't I've talked to a lot of people who love

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Speaker 4: I haven't heard nobody say we're dying for new York

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Speaker 4: to come back via Joey Badass.

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Speaker 3: I never heard that ever.

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Speaker 1: Mind you, y'all may not be watching on video. If

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Speaker 1: you are, thank you for being a patron. Jason is

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Speaker 1: over there just cheesing. He is a hip hop head.

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Speaker 1: And the way he's like, Jason, what you're thinking about? Like,

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Speaker 1: you know what's happening with this? With this beef that

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Speaker 1: I guess is over? Now that's over.

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Speaker 5: It's been declared over, which is rare, like.

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Speaker 4: Credits and said it's done. He really put a finale

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Speaker 4: on it. It's like it's like a Marvel post credits

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Speaker 4: scene via Daylight.

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Speaker 3: That's crazy.

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Speaker 1: I mean, who what side? I know you a New Yorker,

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Speaker 1: but have you been rocking with more of what Joey's

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Speaker 1: been putting out or with all the West Coast guys? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I mean, so to go with joh it's like it

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Speaker 2: feels like paid and full when it's like I lived

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Speaker 2: for this ship right, like it was.

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Speaker 1: It was a good battle.

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Speaker 2: I think it was decidedly jv or to be nicer,

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Speaker 2: like it was an underclass man right, and so I

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Speaker 2: could see why some people wouldn't pay attention to it.

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Speaker 1: But I thought it was dope.

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Speaker 2: I think Joey was somebody who had a lot of

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Speaker 2: of who Joey was more than like his music and

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Speaker 2: what he put out.

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Speaker 1: But I feel like over.

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Speaker 2: The past few months he's been kind of like reconciling

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Speaker 2: who people think he is with like what he actually

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Speaker 2: and forth, it was dope because he made it like

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Speaker 2: a very New York sound. They made very LA sound,

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Speaker 2: and then they flipped it, and then he did West

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Speaker 2: you know, I thought, I thought it was a good sport.

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Speaker 1: Okay, do people want to do people want to pay.

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Speaker 3: Attention to that?

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Speaker 1: You know, I don't know. Do you like the regular

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Speaker 1: season of the NBA?

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Speaker 3: Maybe not?

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Speaker 1: You know, okay, okay, which which is fair. I don't

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Speaker 1: tune into even college basketball until March madness. Yeah, so,

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Speaker 1: but this wasn't that. This was January, so this was

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Speaker 1: an inner marrow game for me. I haven't been that

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Speaker 1: tuned into it.

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Speaker 4: I think I think what happened though, if you really

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Speaker 4: look at it, this wasn't about who was the better rapper. No,

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Speaker 4: it's not about more so a message to the hip

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Speaker 4: hop community that it is more to offer than what's

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Speaker 4: been happening over the past decade, right, or.

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Speaker 1: Even what do you mean by that? So because to

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Speaker 1: be I don't want to offend nobody, right, I think

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Speaker 1: about the last decade, though not.

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Speaker 3: Decade, maybe the last five to seventh, and particularly New York.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 4: So when West Coast said, yo, joe you're taking shots,

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Speaker 4: Joey represents a different type of brand of rap music

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Speaker 4: that's been missing. Let him cook, right, And I don't

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Speaker 4: want to throw the drill ship under the bus, but

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna throw it under.

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Speaker 1: The bus because because.

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Speaker 4: Because of the death that's been occurred with it, right,

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Speaker 4: So what else is there you got to get back to?

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Speaker 4: That's why I kind of think that this was kind

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Speaker 4: of a ploy. I think it might have been. It

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Speaker 4: might have been so concerted, but the Red Bull just

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Speaker 4: to have those three dudes at the Red Bull freestyle

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Speaker 4: and then they did the games afterwards. Come on, man,

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Speaker 4: that's intentional, And then the back and forth with nobody.

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Speaker 4: Really it wasn't really disrespectful, but it was kind of

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Speaker 3: And we didn't get no Atlanta niggas. I was like, well, Atlanta,

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Speaker 1: Well, for those two confused, the trial is for rocketeering,

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Speaker 4: So if they can establish though Cutty that because one

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Speaker 1: No, it was, it was bad. It was bad. So

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Speaker 3: I want to throw them under the jail with hold

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Speaker 3: you just for their opinions.

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Speaker 1: But I work with y'all, so I'm allowed y'all to

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Speaker 3: She had one album I'm looking at yo STI one album?

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Speaker 1: Well, no, I don't know if you saw. So there's

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Speaker 1: Look it up now, I didn't. It isn't like the

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Speaker 1: unreleased songs. It's it's her. It's a mixtape that she

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Speaker 1: let y'all speak, and then i'm gonna follow in.

436
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Speaker 4: Well, all I'll say first is based off what you

437
00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:07,240
Speaker 4: were saying earlier, Like kink means consent.

438
00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:10,560
Speaker 1: YEA, A part of kink is part of this is essential? Yes?

439
00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:11,000
Speaker 3: Right?

440
00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:14,120
Speaker 4: Yes, So it's like but if you're that's the whole point,

441
00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:17,119
Speaker 4: Like there's a huge difference to your point about if

442
00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:19,879
Speaker 4: people want to be in a room together, it's nine ten, twelve. However,

443
00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:22,359
Speaker 4: many of y'all and everybody wants to be freaky, that's fine.

444
00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:27,240
Speaker 4: But if you have to coerce people, if you have to.

445
00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:30,880
Speaker 1: Let me ask you the coersion here, Okay. I also

446
00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:33,600
Speaker 1: want to read the definition of coersion because that's what

447
00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:37,439
Speaker 1: else I've been seeing online is the fact that they

448
00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:40,359
Speaker 1: were getting paid. So what's the couragion, especially from the

449
00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:44,439
Speaker 1: male escorts. So coersion is to persuade an unwilling person

450
00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:46,720
Speaker 1: to do something by using force or threats. So I

451
00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:49,359
Speaker 1: guess the coersion was really for for Cassie.

452
00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:51,240
Speaker 4: I feel like that was Yeah, yeah, I feel like

453
00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:54,000
Speaker 4: that's more about Cassie than the escorts. For the escorts,

454
00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:56,400
Speaker 4: I'm assuming, unless it's some other information come down.

455
00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:58,440
Speaker 1: You see the text messages where Cassie.

456
00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:01,040
Speaker 3: Was like, I'm always ready to freak off. What right?

457
00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:04,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, here's the thing about it, right, I like

458
00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:07,639
Speaker 4: when people say, well, she was a willing participant, she

459
00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:09,800
Speaker 4: wanted to do it. Look at the text messages, Like, Okay,

460
00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:12,360
Speaker 4: I get that, I get what they're trying to say.

461
00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,520
Speaker 4: But the other part of it is like being coerced

462
00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:18,320
Speaker 4: being as you're scared. Like people understand, Like if we

463
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:22,359
Speaker 4: talked about this in terms of pimping, right, pimping is

464
00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,639
Speaker 4: Pimping is not about I put a gun to your

465
00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:28,520
Speaker 4: head and make you do it, unlessarily, but it's about

466
00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:32,000
Speaker 4: taking control of somebody's mind, which is a real thing.

467
00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:34,480
Speaker 4: Like I don't people, I don't know why people discount

468
00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,600
Speaker 4: it when it comes to sexual assault victims or people

469
00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:38,960
Speaker 4: who are being trafficked or whatever.

470
00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:41,200
Speaker 3: Just leave, just leave. Well, these people are scared out

471
00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,240
Speaker 3: of their mind, but they're also being controlled.

472
00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:45,119
Speaker 1: Like and if you think about it too, With the

473
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:47,520
Speaker 1: release of one album and she was signed to the ten,

474
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:51,440
Speaker 1: he literally had control over her entire career and livelihood. Yeah,

475
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:53,880
Speaker 1: if she wanted to be the singer in the star,

476
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:56,960
Speaker 1: she literally couldn't have a means of this was the

477
00:22:57,040 --> 00:23:01,200
Speaker 1: path was busy and urgent care well that too, but

478
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:04,800
Speaker 1: I agree with you, there was a level of where

479
00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:07,640
Speaker 1: she was scared to where this is what she had

480
00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:11,520
Speaker 1: to do. But let me ask you, does she do this? Okay,

481
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:15,119
Speaker 1: this is going to sound ignorant, y'all. Okay, does she

482
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 1: put up with this and do this with a broke nigga,

483
00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:22,439
Speaker 1: And I asked that because the discourse online is around

484
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 1: her also kind of obliging and consenting to doing these

485
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:31,080
Speaker 1: things in exchange for the lifestyle that she was granted.

486
00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:33,320
Speaker 1: Mind you, when we get deeper into it, they're also

487
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:35,760
Speaker 1: saying that that was a part of this lawsuit in

488
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,159
Speaker 1: her writing a book, is that she left Ditty for

489
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 1: the help, she left Diddy for the trainer Alex Fine,

490
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,440
Speaker 1: and realized that she couldn't afford the lifestyle anymore. So

491
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:45,720
Speaker 1: it was a shakedown for money.

492
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:50,720
Speaker 4: I mean, oh, if for broke nigga, Like she probably

493
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 4: wouldn't ever even met the broken.

494
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 3: To even be in a situation that goes like that.

495
00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,639
Speaker 4: But I mean from her testimony, but how do you

496
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:04,440
Speaker 4: respond that for the people that would say, well, I

497
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,720
Speaker 4: mean it was a relationship, right, Like I think people

498
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 4: have a real binary look of how this thing has

499
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,360
Speaker 4: to be, Like she might have really been in love

500
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,680
Speaker 4: with this nigga and really been in a situation where

501
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 4: she liked him and wanted to be with him and

502
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,320
Speaker 4: felt she talked about how charming she was in the testimony.

503
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:22,560
Speaker 4: She didn't say like, oh he was even from the

504
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,600
Speaker 4: day I met at And that's not how coercion in

505
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 4: this kind of way emotional manipulation works. It doesn't work

506
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 4: if you hate the person that's doing it, or you

507
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,440
Speaker 4: don't have something that's there to the first place to

508
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:38,000
Speaker 4: put you in that situation. So it doesn't necessarily work

509
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:40,560
Speaker 4: as simply, I think as people want to make it

510
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:44,400
Speaker 4: seem like it works, because people can be manipulated.

511
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 3: In all kinds of ways.

512
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:46,639
Speaker 4: Some of y'all who are listening to this, who are

513
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 4: saying why didn't she just leave, are manipulating somebody right

514
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:50,720
Speaker 4: now by.

515
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 1: Saying why didn't she just know?

516
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:53,680
Speaker 4: But saying a woman in their life right now, Some

517
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 4: of these niggas are probably playing these same type of

518
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:58,280
Speaker 4: games with women who are saying, why didn't.

519
00:24:58,080 --> 00:24:58,640
Speaker 3: She just leave?

520
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:00,920
Speaker 1: You know what's crazy about you saying this too? And

521
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 1: I want to speak to the men real quick, because

522
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 1: I was having this conversation when I was in Malta.

523
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:08,920
Speaker 1: I was with a group of girls, and of course

524
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 1: we started talking about this ditty trial and the abuse.

525
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:16,080
Speaker 1: And I want to talk to any of the brothers,

526
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:20,920
Speaker 1: the fathers, the cousins that actually care about women. Let's

527
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 1: get to that first, because as I sat at this

528
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,680
Speaker 1: table and women started sharing the abuse that they endured

529
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:30,159
Speaker 1: in relationships. Like one girl said, I never told anybody this.

530
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,159
Speaker 1: You want to know why, because the men in their

531
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 1: lives said, Oh, if a man ever touches you, hits

532
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 1: you abuses, you don't tell me because then I'm gonna

533
00:25:40,600 --> 00:25:43,639
Speaker 1: end up in jail. And it was so unfortunate because

534
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 1: I'm sitting here listening to these women all being all

535
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:50,399
Speaker 1: having had abusive relationships, not even being able like they

536
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:53,720
Speaker 1: can go to a man for safety because they're protecting

537
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:58,480
Speaker 1: those fathers, those brothers, those cousins, because they're literally like, yeah,

538
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna end up in jail. And so I do

539
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 1: want to just pause this conversation to implore men to

540
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 1: find another way to say that they want to protect

541
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 1: the women in their lives, because there's so many women

542
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:14,879
Speaker 1: not sharing the abuse at hand to protect how the

543
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 1: men may respond to these other men in question. And

544
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:20,440
Speaker 1: it's really, really, really unfortunate.

545
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:22,920
Speaker 4: I never thought about that, but that's real shit. I think,

546
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 4: you know, I can understand how that could be a thing.

547
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 1: And so unfortunately, you literally have women who are being

548
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 1: abused at the hands of their partners and protecting their

549
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 1: abuser and protecting their family members at the same time

550
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:37,440
Speaker 1: while literally having.

551
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:41,360
Speaker 3: To deal with this. And I'm just here because let's

552
00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 3: be very clear, no one.

553
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 1: Feels safe going to the police either. Now, especially Cassie's

554
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 1: situation is a little different. But what I've also been

555
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 1: seeing online and this is from oh my God, every

556
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:56,160
Speaker 1: case that has happened over the last couple of years

557
00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 1: is when you are a sex worker, you can't be violated,

558
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,159
Speaker 1: which is what I was seeing as what people were

559
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 1: saying for the Shannon Sharp lawsuit because she's the only

560
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 1: fans girls, because she got paid, she couldn't be raped.

561
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 4: And it's just like what, well, I mean, people, a

562
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 4: lot of people are obsessed with the idea of you

563
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 4: deserve it. Oh, and that plays and that plays out

564
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,880
Speaker 4: in a lot of different ways in society. But people

565
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 4: have this general obsession with you deserve it. Whatever happened

566
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:28,639
Speaker 4: to you, you deserve it. You did that, you did

567
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 4: you have to have done something to make that happen

568
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:32,639
Speaker 4: to you, because nobody would just do that.

569
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 1: Can I ask, do you feel like that's a viewpoint

570
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 1: from men? Women are both like you. You've seen that

571
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 1: both genders are out here saying that a person deserves

572
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 1: to have been abused.

573
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't.

574
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 4: I can't quantify in what percentage is what of what,

575
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 4: But I've seen plenty of men, for sure, plenty. I mean,

576
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 4: it's a patriarchal idea, right, I guess that a woman

577
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 4: deserves whatever she gets in that kind of way. But

578
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,920
Speaker 4: I've seen plenty of women who subscribe to that. I

579
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 4: think I interviewed women who subscribed that with their own

580
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 4: family member. I interviewed the woman who said this about

581
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 4: her own daughter who was sexually abused. Okay, so like

582
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,880
Speaker 4: like so it doesn't to me, It doesn't have any

583
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:14,199
Speaker 4: It's not confined to any one gender. I'm not going

584
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 4: to try to parse it out for the sake of

585
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 4: like a Twitter argument to try to say who's the

586
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:20,880
Speaker 4: more wrong between men and women?

587
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 3: But I've seen both parties.

588
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 4: Cape up for this type of shit, and it's just like,

589
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 4: all right, if that's what y'all are, I don't get it,

590
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 4: but people buy into that, Yeah you did something, if

591
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 4: you had something traumatic happens to you, you must have

592
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 4: deserved it.

593
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't. I don't like that at all. Spooky

594
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 1: out here, man, did y'all have Jason or King? Based

595
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 1: based on the Cassie testimony, Like, where are y'all leaning

596
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 1: with this?

597
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I was gonna say even if illo up

598
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,720
Speaker 2: with like job. You know, people men and women together,

599
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 2: they use virtue as a cudgel, right, Like the idea

600
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 2: of like a woman's virtue, and it's never reflective back

601
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 2: to a man and his virtue. Like when we talk

602
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 2: about body count, it's always in reference to woman. It's

603
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 2: never oh, like Diddy's body kind it's crazy man like

604
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 2: he must be a monster. It's never anything like that.

605
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 2: He's not a monster until there's abuse, and even abuse,

606
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 2: it's not until there's photos.

607
00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 1: Even with the photos, it still goes into.

608
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 3: Like what does she do to get that? Right now?

609
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 1: When I find all this evidence and still yet it's like,

610
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 1: you know, but look what she was doing. What I

611
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 1: find discussing is the abuse or apologists that are clearly like, Okay,

612
00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 1: yeah he beat her ass Yeah he may have done this.

613
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 1: Yeah he maybe only kept her to a one a

614
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 1: one album out of ten and and hijacked her career.

615
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 3: But the but.

616
00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 1: That was girls, but she was But also, and I

617
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 1: want to tell y'all just if you start dating somebody, ladies,

618
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 1: this is for y'all. The tip is if you are

619
00:29:55,840 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 1: dating somebody, ask them for their goddamn Twitter account, and

620
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 1: I need you to go search their tweets for their

621
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 1: thoughts on certain cases like this, because the idea that

622
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 1: I am seeing the the butt be there's nothing illegal

623
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 1: about being in a toxic relationship. There's nothing illegal with

624
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 1: two with two people like having these frea calls, there's

625
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 1: no problem with you know. And also the conversation being like, well,

626
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 1: she had to do something to make him mad, which

627
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 1: is even from her trying to leave the hotel room. Well,

628
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 1: we don't know what happened in that hotel room before.

629
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 4: That is, well, let's let's indulge this dumb ass ship, right,

630
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 4: she did something to make him mad, well according to Dawn,

631
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 4: which is is it don okay?

632
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 3: Okay? So according to her testimony, one of the things

633
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 3: that Cassie did to make him mad was fuck up

634
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 3: the eggs.

635
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 1: What wait, like the eggs, eggs, the eggs egg they

636
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: said before they were thirty six dollars before before they

637
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 1: were their preteriffgre tariff eggs.

638
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 4: Let let let let don't tell it. Cassie was cooking

639
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 4: pre tariff eggs. Wasn't cooking him fast enough for Diddy

640
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 4: and guy hit upside the head with a skillet. All right,

641
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 4: So how long did it take the scrambled eggs like

642
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 4: on medium on medium like eggs like.

643
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: A minute and a half, two minutes?

644
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 3: Then he has anger issues.

645
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 1: Well, but that's what I'm saying, very clear, very clear.

646
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 1: We can we can say definitively fun out that we

647
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 1: have video evidence of him dragging and kicking his bitch

648
00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 1: down the hallway.

649
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 6: Yeah.

650
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 1: I think it's also crazy. We're seeing her with black

651
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 1: guys and videos bruises on her arm, we saw the video.

652
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: My thing is from all of the testimonies, from all

653
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 1: the things us knowing that he set arson to kick

654
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 1: Cutty's car and all these things, like the fact that

655
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 1: people could find a way to to to make him

656
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 1: not have to go to jail, He's crazy to me.

657
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 1: It also reminds me of and I don't know what's

658
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 1: happening right now, but Rod Wave this week was just

659
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 1: arrested for thirteen counts of like everything from possession of

660
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: a gun to aggravated assault to all these things you ready,

661
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 1: for shooting fourteen rounds into the vehicle of his girlfriend

662
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 1: and they let him go. So I'm like, in terms

663
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 1: of the way we protect women at all, I don't

664
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 1: understand how you could be let out. It's also hard

665
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 1: to get restraining orders. It is hard to leave abusers.

666
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 1: It like the court systems don't help or make it

667
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: any easy. So the fact, and I will say too,

668
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 1: it's unfortunate that and I've said it on a podcast before.

669
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 1: I'll be honest, when you see people abuse others, you

670
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 1: kind of don't get in the middle of these relationships

671
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 1: because you kind of need to mind your business quote unquote.

672
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: So for Dawn to be on the stand saying she

673
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 1: saw this for a lot of for the assists to

674
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:02,840
Speaker 1: say he saw the abuse, for all of these people

675
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,720
Speaker 1: to even say they witnessed the abuse and nobody did

676
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 1: anything about it for a decade, it's just like, oh wow, Like,

677
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 1: should there be some way in which we changed the

678
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 1: narrative of if you see something, say something. Ship? When

679
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 1: I was in New York, that's all the train rides say,

680
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: if you see something, say something.

681
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 3: But who's to say that that hasn't been attempted?

682
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 4: Though, when you have money and power, you can mitigate

683
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 4: that ship by silencing people not saying.

684
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 1: That, right, like like a broke dude only has violence.

685
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 1: That's all he can do is just beat her up.

686
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 2: To do with money, can control her in so many

687
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 2: different ways. Again, he's paying her cardinal, her apartment, like

688
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 2: he took her cars back, he locked her out of

689
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 2: her own Oh, I'm not.

690
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 1: Gonna lie what I'm seeing now from the Shannon Sharp

691
00:33:50,360 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 1: case to this case. And yes, I could be ignorant

692
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 1: and not wanting to bring up Chris Brown, but what

693
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 1: I'm what I'm seeing is the more money you have,

694
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 1: It's almost like men thriving and making all the money

695
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 1: that they can, not to take bitches out, not to

696
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 1: throw it in the strip club, but literally to gain

697
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: the power and access to be able to do whatever

698
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 1: the fuck they want. The fact that Shanna Shark is

699
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:17,320
Speaker 1: still cool quote unquote walked away from Disney and ESPN,

700
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 1: but it's still dropping interviews not only daily or you know,

701
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 1: between nightcap and then he's still seeing his millions from that.

702
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 1: And what's crazy too is he hasn't sat next to

703
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 1: a woman yet, but all these men are still just

704
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 1: sitting with this, with this man who who did this?

705
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:40,240
Speaker 1: I'm seeing all these men still like like supporting Diddy.

706
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,320
Speaker 2: These men turn in, these men turn into track stars.

707
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 2: Did they have to run up next to them and

708
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 2: the fend them.

709
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 1: It's crazy? No, no, But also okay, I'm gonna do

710
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:52,360
Speaker 1: the ship that I do, and I'll be getting in

711
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,879
Speaker 1: trouble for this. I said it about. Tori also kind

712
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 1: of leaned into Beak a little bit with this is

713
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 1: Ditty's music? That dope was anybody that we don't like

714
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 1: to even be in Like mind you, none of us

715
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 1: drinks the rock anymore. Y'all didn't support the Love album

716
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 1: like y'all did. When he did the whole R and

717
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 1: B album and change.

718
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,680
Speaker 4: His name, he got dominated, heated.

719
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 1: I don't think he wants. My thing is when we

720
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 1: talk about people that we love right, and we talk

721
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 1: about separating the art from the artists a lot, which

722
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,359
Speaker 1: might be my own ignorance with still loving Chris Brown

723
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 1: after all his things. But when it comes to Diddy,

724
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 1: why do you feel like the current public, because it's young,

725
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 1: young and old, are in support of him and not

726
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 1: questioning or wanting to leave into his guilty, this guilty

727
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,839
Speaker 1: verdict that would send him away, as if we would

728
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 1: be missing out on such wonderful music and art from him.

729
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 2: Because they want they want to be him, and they

730
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 2: want to do that and they want to treat women

731
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 2: that way.

732
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 3: It's the lust, you know what I mean.

733
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 4: Style, It's the lust of the appearance of what he

734
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 4: has that these people want.

735
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:01,800
Speaker 3: Because jay Z got a line where he said, you

736
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 3: was who you was before you got here. That's simple.

737
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,520
Speaker 4: That means whether you broke off a millionaire, the activity

738
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 4: that you display is who you are. So what we

739
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 4: see I told somebody other, I say, yo, don't ask

740
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,800
Speaker 4: me about some podcast that I work with. This is

741
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 4: who they are, regardless of what you see. Right, there's

742
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:24,800
Speaker 4: a human being behind the moniker. There's a human person

743
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 4: that's just fucked up or not simple. And I think

744
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 4: a lot of it's millions of fucked up people that

745
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 4: want the power and the success to get away with

746
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 4: the that they want to do. And to the point

747
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 4: about the music, like, here's the thing, right, Like for

748
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 4: anybody who doesn't want to listen to Diddy's music or

749
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 4: any artist music because of the things they've done, I say,

750
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 4: go ahead, I don't care if you still listen to it.

751
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,360
Speaker 4: I also don't care. The thing about it is is

752
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 4: that like that's not really the point, Like, to me,

753
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 4: the music isn't really the point. I get that you

754
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,320
Speaker 4: might hear our Kelly records out in public and it

755
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 4: could be weird for some people, and some people are

756
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 4: going to do the two step anyway, and it doesn't matter.

757
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 4: But ultimately, like whether like most of these people, if

758
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 4: we're gonna do a purity test, most of these artists

759
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 4: that we know and love aren't going to pass old school.

760
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 3: Artists And.

761
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, smokey my man, bill Wards, like all of these

762
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 4: people did like terrible people who did fucked up shit

763
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 4: and so and I'm not here to deny that just

764
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 4: because of their greatness. To me, that doesn't serve any purpose.

765
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 4: If you want to listen to the music, just listen

766
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 4: to it and go about your business, I.

767
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: Think, and I do want to And I'm gonna find

768
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 1: this clip to insert because it was probably the most

769
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 1: ignorant thing that I saw or listen to uh in

770
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:46,400
Speaker 1: the past week, and it came from Flip sitting on

771
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: the joke on the podcast. He actually tried to allude

772
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 1: to the fact that domestic violence doesn't really happen as

773
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 1: much anymore, that was a thing of the past.

774
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 4: I didn't see that episode. But I just when you

775
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 4: say that, it makes me want to see Mark's face.

776
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 4: It just makes me want to see face informative sometimes sometimes.

777
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 1: Hear the thing. And and I don't know why we

778
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,320
Speaker 1: came up with the saying that no question is a

779
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 1: stupid question. There's some stupid ass questions. There's some stupid

780
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 1: as statements. Because the the the thing is, when we're

781
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 1: seeing a lot of these cases, right we can go

782
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 1: to the bill cosby of it, the why and scene

783
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 1: of it. What we see is everything that they did

784
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 1: in the past. And for whatever reason, the Internet is

785
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:41,360
Speaker 1: now trying to say that Cassie with the lawsuit with

786
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 1: the book was jealous quote unquote of his current relationship

787
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: with young Miami and the the consensus is that all

788
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:57,320
Speaker 1: of these behaviors were his behaviors in the past. We

789
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: do see too that he did come out in publicly

790
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 1: apologies eyes to Cassie, and I think the prosecution in

791
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:06,359
Speaker 1: this is going to lean into his drug youth.

792
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 3: And well, he made a public apology.

793
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 4: He said, he spoke into a microphone and said the

794
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 4: words I'm sorry.

795
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:18,400
Speaker 1: But he didn't.

796
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 7: Whether whether they qualifies that, well, if you can't say

797
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 7: as an apology an actually a name, and be to

798
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 7: be honest with you, like not on Instagram. Like I

799
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 7: just like if it's like that, talk to that lady.

800
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:37,360
Speaker 4: And if you want to do an interview with somebody

801
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 4: later on and explain how you you know, whatever you've

802
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 4: moved on or you apologize to it. Okay, fine, I

803
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 4: just like doing this and saying I'm sorry for whipping

804
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 4: your ass and maybe this is fucked up, Like I

805
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 4: just think that's fucking dumb, but like anyway, carry on.

806
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 2: So like the flip of it all to me is

807
00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 2: so interesting and this, this is what I'm about to say,

808
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 2: could be like a whole other episodes, like the idea

809
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 2: that men only find their mothers to be the only

810
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:07,280
Speaker 2: good women there.

811
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, but everybody else's wholes. I just I never get that.

812
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 1: And then for people to be like, yo, but you

813
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 1: have a daughter. I have a daughter, I have a wife,

814
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 1: but yo, I came from a mother.

815
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 2: But also it's like I work, I work for Mandy,

816
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 2: and I tell me every time how much I like

817
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 2: the talent, Like there're the women everywhere in my life.

818
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 2: So it's like I don't have the cherry pick one

819
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 2: to be like well because I got this one, like yeah,

820
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 2: and and the way that I see men just be

821
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 2: like like and again, if I keep it hip hop,

822
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 2: it's like track seventeen on your albums dedicated to your mother,

823
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 2: but like that's the yeah.

824
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:47,320
Speaker 3: The only yeah, that's that's wild to me.

825
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 2: And so then like to what you're saying about, like

826
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 2: with castie and like the jealousy, So then that's like

827
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 2: the but I think that that that's what I'm the

828
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,840
Speaker 2: defense that the cross yas examination.

829
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 1: It's it's what I'm seeing, which is okay. I could

830
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 1: say that the hot take of damn men really hate women,

831
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:06,919
Speaker 1: but I could lean into the massagy and I could

832
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:08,359
Speaker 1: lean into all of that. I think that's an easy

833
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 1: way out. I think the conversations that do need to

834
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 1: happen a need to happen amongst men like you with

835
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 1: your friends that are.

836
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 8: Jo I'm the de I higher, by the way, not

837
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 8: the d high because you married, No.

838
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 1: But but to me, it's I think it's disheartening really

839
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 1: seeing that you could be sexually assaulted, physically assaulted emotionally,

840
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: which is an abuse that I just recently experienced that

841
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,800
Speaker 1: I don't think enough people talk about, like the amount

842
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 1: and levels of abuse that could take plans take take

843
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 1: play at the hands of a man, and all of

844
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:02,320
Speaker 1: these men have more questions as to what the woman

845
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 1: did to deserve this treatment. I think that's my that's

846
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 1: my issue and misunderstanding with how we got this far right.

847
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 1: We can talk about the gender wars and where we're

848
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:18,279
Speaker 1: at from a social landscape, right, But for me, from

849
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 1: the households that you were in, the women that you

850
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 1: chose to lay up with and impregnant, the daughters that

851
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 1: you take care of, the sisters that you claim to love,

852
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 1: how do you have these these tainted views of women

853
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 1: as a whole with the women currently in your life.

854
00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 1: I just don't understand the psychology around it, honestly.

855
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 4: Well here, let's let's like there's a there's a like

856
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 4: willfully obtuse angle that people take on this thing, right,

857
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 4: because if you ask people about the industry, yes, it's

858
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 4: the nebulous industry.

859
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 3: How do people get big in the industry?

860
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 4: The first thing they'll tell you all you gotta fuck everybody,

861
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 4: you gotta suck everybody, you gotta.

862
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:56,439
Speaker 3: Eat every ass and then kill you got to piss

863
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 3: on yourself.

864
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, all of this shit, ye and then a

865
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 4: nigga from that place gets accused of doing that thing,

866
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:03,479
Speaker 4: and then Nigga's like, ah, that don't happen.

867
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 3: That ain't no real ship. Why would he do that? Why?

868
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 4: So it's while one mic like like what do we

869
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:12,719
Speaker 4: what are we talking about here? But like I said,

870
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,320
Speaker 4: this just that's the culture of celebrities. Though, that's I

871
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 4: think that's the thing.

872
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:20,320
Speaker 1: Even kim Osio was just on I can't remember what

873
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:23,919
Speaker 1: what news network, but she was up there talking about

874
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:26,640
Speaker 1: it and even tried to allude that Diddy was not

875
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 1: this person on the New York scene and didn't become

876
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 1: into these things until he went Hollywood. This is the

877
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:35,359
Speaker 1: Hollywood version of Diddy, and even that to see all

878
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 1: of these these celebrities over what the last few decades

879
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:43,320
Speaker 1: come to the forefront of what was also kind of allowed.

880
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 1: It was almost regular to put the Spanish fly in

881
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 1: the drinks. At one point nigga even my era Ross

882
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 1: got in trouble for it. But oh, in Miami, they

883
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:58,719
Speaker 1: was put popping, putting Molly's all up in drink.

884
00:43:58,800 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 3: Mandy.

885
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 4: They still sell Spanish fly. Believe you go to the

886
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 4: corner store, bodega, deli, whatever term you want to use

887
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 4: as soon as you walk in the little glass window.

888
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 4: As Horny got that, they.

889
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:16,879
Speaker 3: Got all of it, the whole.

890
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 6: I think.

891
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 1: I think my problem with all of this is, at

892
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 1: the end of the day, yes you can do drugs,

893
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 1: Yes you could be kinky and have sex. Yes you

894
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 1: can have a relationship that might not be the healthiest.

895
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: But in terms of the the things in which Diddy

896
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 1: was executing over decades, and how many people were involved

897
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 1: in how many lives were taken allegedly or not, because

898
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,839
Speaker 1: there's also the conspiracies around keim Porter's death and her

899
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 1: also potentially writing a book that that never saw the

900
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:51,320
Speaker 1: light of day. I just think that with all of

901
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 1: this information, with the video evidence, the photo evidence, I

902
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:59,800
Speaker 1: genuinely cannot see the psychology in men. Wanting to not

903
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 1: allow Cassie to be a victim.

904
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 2: In this Mandy speaking about the psychology of men. Can

905
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:07,160
Speaker 2: I ask you your reaction to two things that happened,

906
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 2: Oh one, Cassie. So, Cassie testifies, she says all that

907
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 2: stuff about the U T. I s about being urinated on,

908
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 2: about how like at the beginning she she she she

909
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 2: was into it.

910
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:21,000
Speaker 1: You can't put both of those together. By the way,

911
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,800
Speaker 1: but I've been pissed on everyone.

912
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 2: You know, it was humiliating for her and all this.

913
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,080
Speaker 2: So she does this over two days straight, just all

914
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 2: this graphic details. Yes, and then when she finishes, uh

915
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 2: testifying from the prosecution asking her puff then turns to

916
00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 2: his family and he mounts, I'm okay, I know.

917
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 3: What are your thoughts on that?

918
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 1: Have y'all been following me for the last year and

919
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:54,240
Speaker 1: a half, two years? I just left an emotionally abusive

920
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 1: relationship with a nurcissist, And so that's what that is,

921
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 1: not not making sure his daughters, who left the courtroom,

922
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 1: by the way, day one, for hearing all of these

923
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 1: graphic details, not me. So who's sitting showing up with

924
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 1: a cane because I don't know if she wants sympathy

925
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 1: or to help. I don't know where the cane came from.

926
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 1: But you have your children behind you hearing these gruesome details,

927
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:20,399
Speaker 1: and your thought is not to turn back to them

928
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:23,919
Speaker 1: and say you're sorry? Are they okay? How are y'all doing?

929
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:25,919
Speaker 1: It's I'm good, I'm good.

930
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:31,320
Speaker 3: Don't you playing in theory he's not supposed to do that.

931
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 3: Then that's a sign.

932
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 1: Of first off. Did y'all also see the the.

933
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 3: This is crazy, this is crazy, this.

934
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:45,280
Speaker 1: Then the turnaround, the holding up a heart.

935
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 4: You're being cars with rico and sexual and you're doing TikTok.

936
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 6: And the like.

937
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 3: Bro, what fucking timeline is this that we're living in?

938
00:46:55,360 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 6: Oh?

939
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 1: I told you we medie and I even think more

940
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 1: than more than that. I know we normally say there's

941
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 1: h your side, my side in the truth. We already

942
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 1: know that we live on a plane of three different truths, right.

943
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 1: I think it's really interesting to see how people are

944
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 1: dissecting the way in which we perceive things. Also, comprehension

945
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 1: skills are lost amongst us. I give it, they are gone.

946
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 1: They are gone with critical race theory. They are getting

947
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 1: rid of comprehension as a whole course. Yes, so I

948
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 1: mean to me, to me, it's it's unfortunate, and y'all,

949
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 1: you know, we like to lean into what the people

950
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 1: are saying. And uh, Jason wants to play a quick

951
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 1: games for us to lean into the stupidity, the ignorance

952
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 1: of it all with what the people have been saying.

953
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 3: So how do you want to do this?

954
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 1: Are these celebrity quotes?

955
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 2: So some some are celebrity ish, some are some are

956
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 2: big on Twitter. Okay, I think you have some pooled

957
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 2: too or is it just the ones that happen I have?

958
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 1: Okay, so this is more so.

959
00:48:02,360 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 2: I'll say what they said. You can guess, but then

960
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 2: I really want to hear y'all chop it up about

961
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:08,840
Speaker 2: the about.

962
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 1: Was behind it? No guess first guess what were but

963
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 1: then once you know who it is, then to go

964
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 1: into because we can't guess Twitter niggas exactly it is.

965
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 1: You know, but I'm mixing it up. I want you

966
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 1: to know some are famous or summer. Okay, let's do it.

967
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 3: Let's go with this.

968
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 1: Should I go one?

969
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:33,360
Speaker 2: Two, three, Let's see, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go

970
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 2: with the second. I'm trying to keep you all on

971
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 2: your toes. Indeed, Cassie was a victim, a victim of

972
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 2: her own greed. She was a slave that Diddy status

973
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 2: and wealth. At any point she could have left, but

974
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:49,960
Speaker 2: she didn't, not out of fear, but out of greed.

975
00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 1: This is a nigga, That's all I'm gonna say. It's

976
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 1: it's it's a man who I think if I could

977
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 1: dig into his history, he's a man who believes that

978
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 1: his two hundred and forty seven dollars a month of

979
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 1: child support is what his baby mama has to live

980
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 1: like she just wants his money so she could get

981
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:09,799
Speaker 1: a lifestyle out of him.

982
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 4: I was trying to figure out who would start a

983
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 4: tweet with. Indeed, indeed, I'm trying to think of who

984
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:18,719
Speaker 4: that person was, because like he was continuing the conversation

985
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 4: and now he got to his final point.

986
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 1: He definitely starts his day saying grand rising.

987
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 3: Yes, it sounds it sounds very yes.

988
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 1: So I'll say, uh, Mandy is correct.

989
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 3: Okay, it's who it is.

990
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 1: It is a man, it's it's a it's a twitter,

991
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 1: it's a blog. I never heard this. Yeah, shoddy a

992
00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:45,359
Speaker 1: night to day and night salt the salt of the earth.

993
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 1: But anyway, by the by the way, hold on the

994
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 1: fact that you've been pulled anything. Well, because we want

995
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 1: to talk about the ignorance. I just want to also

996
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:59,800
Speaker 1: share his pinned tweet. The tragedy of Tory Lanez is

997
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 1: a reminder of every man of how vindictive a woman

998
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 1: can be. Megan thee Stallion has dedicated her life to

999
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 1: destroy Tory for treating her like a hookup when she

1000
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 1: wanted more. We will never talk about this motherfucker. And

1001
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 1: this is the type of dude who will call girls woopies? Right,

1002
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 1: what color is your probably? So to be fair, if

1003
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 1: we lean into this, this kind of opinion on it, right,

1004
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:30,839
Speaker 1: I think that that's what we're seeing. And it goes

1005
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:33,279
Speaker 1: into what y'all said earlier. There's so many men that

1006
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 1: want the wealth and power of Diddy that any woman

1007
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 1: associated to a man with money or power. This goes

1008
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 1: to where again, the psychology between how I think men

1009
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:45,240
Speaker 1: and women feel about each other has to be fucking

1010
00:50:45,280 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: studied right now, because, for whatever reason, when a man

1011
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 1: has money, wealth, looks, or anything that's deemed to be

1012
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 1: a privilege or something that the person that is with

1013
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 1: them only wants them for those things, not the person behind.

1014
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can't possibly love get possibly, that's that's impossible.

1015
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 1: You love his wealth, you can't possibly love.

1016
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 3: But you know what, that's also inherently saying.

1017
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:16,200
Speaker 4: It's saying that this rich, powerful guy who looks good,

1018
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:19,319
Speaker 4: who watches his face in Sarah toogin ice, huge and shit,

1019
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:22,920
Speaker 4: this nigga is also a piece of shit, because how

1020
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 4: could you possibly love this person? You don't love this person,

1021
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:26,280
Speaker 4: you just want their money.

1022
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that that's that's my problem with dating

1023
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 1: and discussing people who seem to be in different tax brackets.

1024
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 3: There's almost no winning.

1025
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:38,040
Speaker 1: First off, it's even if you're a woman dating a

1026
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 1: broker guy, it's like, oh, you couldn't date a man.

1027
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:42,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, the women are gonna judge you for that.

1028
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 1: The women are gonna judge you. And then on the

1029
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 1: other end, if a man dates someone who also isn't

1030
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:50,880
Speaker 1: rich because also you're ready, men don't care about how

1031
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:53,239
Speaker 1: much money a woman makes any of course, then the

1032
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:56,880
Speaker 1: woman is essentially a part of this relationship only for that.

1033
00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 3: This is it now.

1034
00:51:59,560 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 1: I did want to read another quote that I agree with.

1035
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:04,360
Speaker 1: She's not a celebrity. It's a celebrity anyway. But I

1036
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 1: feel like, here we go. Did he don't even need

1037
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 1: a trial? Just give him one hundred years and give

1038
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 1: the son that looked like him twenty years?

1039
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1040
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 1: Because yeah, it's funny because I had that one screenshot

1041
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 1: it as well. Now here's what I wanted to do,

1042
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 1: because we know that that came from a man. I

1043
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 1: do want to share because it wouldn't be right. This

1044
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 1: is not a gender war thing to not include a

1045
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:37,880
Speaker 1: woman who aligns with the same values and thoughts on this.

1046
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:42,319
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna play this video and we can all listen.

1047
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 6: How are we feeling about I just want to say this.

1048
00:52:49,120 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 6: A long time ago, I said, I don't believe Cassie.

1049
00:52:55,840 --> 00:53:00,479
Speaker 6: I don't believe she was ever a victim and or something.

1050
00:53:00,520 --> 00:53:03,359
Speaker 6: It's so many people talk emotion. Oh, she didn't want

1051
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 6: to upset him. She didn't want to this.

1052
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 3: That was texting.

1053
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 1: She was in a safe space.

1054
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 6: You mean to tell me she can leave the relationship,

1055
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:13,799
Speaker 6: go get married to the help unharmed.

1056
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:15,799
Speaker 1: But she was that scared of him.

1057
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 6: No, I said a long time ago, and I got

1058
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 6: chewed up for it. Cassie got jealous when he saw

1059
00:53:24,120 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 6: how he put Young Miami on.

1060
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 1: She start thinking about.

1061
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 6: All the disgusting stuff she was doing with him, and

1062
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:35,320
Speaker 6: she left with nothing, and she like, damn, he just

1063
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:38,840
Speaker 6: turned Miami up overnight. Doesn't turn turn into a millionaire overnight.

1064
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 6: Young Miami ain't even rapping no more because she got

1065
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 6: her own show.

1066
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 1: She the face of his face of that she was

1067
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 1: getting money.

1068
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:47,800
Speaker 6: He put Miami in position, and he never put Cassie

1069
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:48,280
Speaker 6: in position.

1070
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:50,959
Speaker 1: Nobody is a sex slave.

1071
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:53,319
Speaker 6: I tell you right now, I know some females who

1072
00:53:53,360 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 6: are into all that stuff that they said. I would

1073
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 6: never expose because I'm the type that listen but don't judge.

1074
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 6: But I can tell you right now, I know some

1075
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:04,879
Speaker 6: females who into everything that they're saying.

1076
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 2: I didn't want to keep because it's she needs a

1077
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 2: black roball in the way she's judging.

1078
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:14,439
Speaker 1: What's crazy is she she goes by saying, I don't judge,

1079
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 1: and here's here's my thing about this off, Well, I'm.

1080
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 4: Gonna do She clear that she had the nerve to

1081
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 4: clear her throat before saying that stupid.

1082
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 1: And I don't know if it's picked me behavior I do.

1083
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 1: I have another episode that I'm going to talk about

1084
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:37,880
Speaker 1: how women I would say, like her ignore the testimonies

1085
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 1: of women with abuse. I believe she probably would be

1086
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 1: the type of woman who a man could come out

1087
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 1: of jail for domestic violence, he could probably come out

1088
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 1: of jail for sexual assault, and she would believe that

1089
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:54,759
Speaker 1: she is above that treatment from this man because she

1090
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:57,360
Speaker 1: doesn't believe women. And that's the other thing, right, Like,

1091
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 1: we lean into this believe women thing, and then there's

1092
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:04,720
Speaker 1: women like her, who also don't want to allow Cassie

1093
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 1: to be a victim. So I know that we've been

1094
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:09,759
Speaker 1: talking a lot about what men are doing. I think

1095
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 1: that there's just as many women that are as loud.

1096
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 1: And maybe it's and now I'm gonna sound petty for this,

1097
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 1: I feel like it's because, like what y'all were saying

1098
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:21,839
Speaker 1: about the man, I think a woman like her may

1099
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 1: be jealous of a woman like Cassie. Maybe you haven't

1100
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:28,239
Speaker 1: been able to bag a billionaire and so you're looking

1101
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 1: at oh, bitch like because you ain't got it right,

1102
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 1: because you couldn't get it with a man like that.

1103
00:55:33,560 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 1: You're jealous of the fact that she was able to

1104
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:39,279
Speaker 1: have whatever lifestyle or relationship with this billionaire, that bit

1105
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 1: you wish you wanted. So you there's nothing in your

1106
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:43,720
Speaker 1: mind that could make you view her as a victim

1107
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:47,240
Speaker 1: of all of this assault, because essentially you would probably

1108
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:49,360
Speaker 1: want to tarrye places with Cassie.

1109
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 3: And she also sounds like somebody who's never witnessed abuse

1110
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:54,799
Speaker 3: or never had anyone.

1111
00:55:54,560 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 1: Around her who has it, who hasn't right.

1112
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 4: But it's like she talking as if I don't know,

1113
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:04,200
Speaker 4: it's just weird to me, Like she's talking as if

1114
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 4: there aren't dynamics at play, Like all it is is

1115
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 4: so many times that that you can just make it

1116
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:13,480
Speaker 4: simple how sexual abuse happens. It happens because you get

1117
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:15,840
Speaker 4: slapped upside the head and then he rapes you. Like

1118
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:18,919
Speaker 4: that's not that's not how this thing works. And people

1119
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:22,200
Speaker 4: have such a straight line point of view of it,

1120
00:56:22,280 --> 00:56:24,000
Speaker 4: thinking that it just goes from A to B, and

1121
00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 4: I just I want everyone to be educated, but I don't.

1122
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:27,759
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna hold my breath fast.

1123
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:31,719
Speaker 1: I mean, I also want to Another thing that I've

1124
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 1: heard people talk about in conversations with me is the

1125
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:38,840
Speaker 1: fact that she left Ryan Leslie to go to Diddy,

1126
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:43,720
Speaker 1: and that she was this fast girl who just wanted

1127
00:56:43,920 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 1: the lifestyle, was chasing the fame and all of these things.

1128
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 1: I think it's unfortunate too that people can't separate a

1129
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:55,440
Speaker 1: woman who may enjoy sex, who may be a little freaky,

1130
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:58,239
Speaker 1: who may be into things, and completely not be able

1131
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:01,320
Speaker 1: to see that woman still as a victim of sexual

1132
00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 1: violence or a victim of those things. Mandy, what do

1133
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:06,879
Speaker 1: you think about the jealousy thing?

1134
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:08,840
Speaker 2: Because I see a lot of my timeline too that

1135
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 2: the idea like oh, she was jealous, and Cassie sat

1136
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:12,440
Speaker 2: in court she was jealous of Kim.

1137
00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 1: She said she was jealous of Jana.

1138
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 2: But I feel like the jealousy thing is being tossed

1139
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 2: around like that's a normal human behavior.

1140
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 1: Shit, I was gonna say, when you're in a relationship,

1141
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:26,920
Speaker 1: especially if the dynamic may be non monogamous, which clearly was.

1142
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 1: They were bringing people into it. He had the relationship

1143
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:33,040
Speaker 1: with Kim because she was the mother of his children.

1144
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 1: You also have Misa, which wasn't brought in, but that

1145
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:38,120
Speaker 1: was the mother of his first child. I think for me,

1146
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 1: this idea that she stayed with Diddy because of jealousy.

1147
00:57:42,720 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 1: I talk about it a lot in non monogamy and polyamory.

1148
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:50,920
Speaker 1: In all of those dynamics, it is a human It's

1149
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 1: in human nature to feel some sense of jealousy, like

1150
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:56,960
Speaker 1: you can't be somebody's everything, Which is why I believe

1151
00:57:57,000 --> 00:58:00,080
Speaker 1: in non monogamy. I think it's an unrealistic expectation to

1152
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 1: put onto people to show up and exist as that person.

1153
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 1: I think for her that is a very common, very

1154
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 1: natural feeling to be jealous of the other women that

1155
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:12,360
Speaker 1: are in Diddy's life and not gonna leave. Let's be

1156
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 1: very clear, let's dumb it down, Let's take all the

1157
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 1: money away. There's a lot of women now probably listening

1158
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 1: to this goddamn podcast in a relationship with a nigga

1159
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:25,000
Speaker 1: that work at motherfucking Target trying to get them dollars

1160
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:27,400
Speaker 1: back up because of DEI and all that shit working

1161
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 1: at Target making twenty four dollars an hour. Who is

1162
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 1: jealous that he has to go pick up his kids

1163
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 1: in the co parenting relationship that he has with the

1164
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 1: baby mama, because WHOA, what do you mean You're going

1165
00:58:40,200 --> 00:58:42,200
Speaker 1: over there where she lived? You have to see her?

1166
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:44,480
Speaker 1: Did you talk to her? There's a lot of jealousy

1167
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 1: that happens, not even with the power, not even with

1168
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 1: the wealth or the power dynamics that we saw.

1169
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 3: In the Just Everything.

1170
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:54,480
Speaker 2: That's actually the same exact text message as that came

1171
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:57,480
Speaker 2: out Cassie saying the same thing, because I want to

1172
00:58:57,520 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 2: go spend time with a baby's mom and the kids, and.

1173
00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 1: So we literally put ourselves in that position. I want

1174
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 1: people to remove the yachts, the mansions, remove all of

1175
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:10,720
Speaker 1: this and just view these as people that were in

1176
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 1: a relationship toxic, yes, but from one girl, very young

1177
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 1: who probably did not have much relationship experience to begin

1178
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 1: with because she got with this old ass nigga when

1179
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:22,720
Speaker 1: she was nineteen years old. To put yourself in the

1180
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 1: dynamics of these other women that aren't going anywhere. A

1181
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:29,680
Speaker 1: lot of us have to deal with any man who

1182
00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 1: has children or previous marriages or anything, having to know

1183
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:36,680
Speaker 1: that even if this is our man right now, you

1184
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:40,160
Speaker 1: share him in the capacity that is and jealousy is

1185
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 1: going to happen.

1186
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:45,480
Speaker 4: Well, part of what you're talking about is, like, if

1187
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:48,120
Speaker 4: we zoom out a little bit, part of that reaction

1188
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:51,040
Speaker 4: or that construct of how people are approaching this thing

1189
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:55,400
Speaker 4: is because of celebrity worship. Yeah, like that's part of

1190
00:59:55,920 --> 01:00:00,560
Speaker 4: American pop culture. And celebrity worship is not the only

1191
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:03,400
Speaker 4: factor because they the misogyny and all kind of stuff

1192
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:04,080
Speaker 4: that goes into it.

1193
01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:05,480
Speaker 3: But that is in the pot.

1194
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 1: Oh no, they dehumanized.

1195
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:11,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're dehumanized a famous person because because you see

1196
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:14,080
Speaker 4: some avatar of success, So you see some avatar of

1197
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 4: sexiness or avatar for whatever it is that you hold

1198
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:17,960
Speaker 4: value for.

1199
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:19,440
Speaker 3: I'm done it.

1200
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 1: Everybody's done to where I had to like I had

1201
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:27,320
Speaker 1: to check my perception of reality and rip This is

1202
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:31,360
Speaker 1: not to be insensitive, but I remember when the helicopter

1203
01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:35,360
Speaker 1: crash happened with Kobe Bryant and every we all got

1204
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:38,360
Speaker 1: the announcement. In my mind, I was like, now, Kobe

1205
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 1: Bryant hopped out, grabbed you like, and was able to

1206
01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:44,440
Speaker 1: land on his two feet and kept it moving. And

1207
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:48,560
Speaker 1: so my idea that death also didn't seem to be

1208
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:51,600
Speaker 1: something that could happen to someone who was so great,

1209
01:00:53,160 --> 01:00:55,760
Speaker 1: someone who we all grew up with, like, how how

1210
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:56,320
Speaker 1: could this happen?

1211
01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:58,080
Speaker 4: But yeah, we do do that to celebrity a lot,

1212
01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:02,400
Speaker 4: and dehumanizing people doesn't serve anybody. Now, it doesn't serve

1213
01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:05,000
Speaker 4: the celebrity because if you even if you're not on

1214
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:07,800
Speaker 4: any dirt, just as a person, as a human being,

1215
01:01:07,960 --> 01:01:10,360
Speaker 4: absorbing what it means to live in the world where

1216
01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:12,720
Speaker 4: you're famous and people treat you a certain way because

1217
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:14,960
Speaker 4: of that, it doesn't It doesn't serve them, and it

1218
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:18,040
Speaker 4: doesn't serve the fan because you're now you're fucking weird.

1219
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 1: Well now, to me, you're saying from the public perception

1220
01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:27,160
Speaker 1: of celebrity is actually the same perception that celebrities have

1221
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:31,160
Speaker 1: of themselves. After a while, Oh, I'm this I'm this popular,

1222
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:34,880
Speaker 1: I'm this successful, I'm this wealthy. Nobody's touching me.

1223
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:37,080
Speaker 4: I could do it whatever I want to do. I'm

1224
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:41,280
Speaker 4: that And the higher that you reach for that is

1225
01:01:41,440 --> 01:01:43,040
Speaker 4: the more and more you're going to get drunk off

1226
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:45,280
Speaker 4: of it. Which not to go on a music tangent,

1227
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:48,240
Speaker 4: but like that's a lot of what Kendrick is talking

1228
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:51,840
Speaker 4: about in gn X and a mister morale to some degree,

1229
01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:55,120
Speaker 4: Like I want to be and I've talked about this

1230
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:57,680
Speaker 4: with people recently, just trying to navigate my own shit

1231
01:01:57,720 --> 01:01:59,560
Speaker 4: and like how do I level up? What is the

1232
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:01,280
Speaker 4: next thing that I want to do? Like the question

1233
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:03,480
Speaker 4: you ask yourself is how famous do you want to be?

1234
01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:06,600
Speaker 4: How well known do you want to be?

1235
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:09,440
Speaker 1: Don't even because they have a million dollars and not

1236
01:02:09,560 --> 01:02:12,440
Speaker 1: have to be on a goddamn I want to be wealthy, not.

1237
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:15,240
Speaker 4: Know, and most people will feel that way. But it's

1238
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:18,720
Speaker 4: like though, the higher you reach for that level, it

1239
01:02:18,800 --> 01:02:22,400
Speaker 4: comes with something. You know, it's a drug, yeah, right,

1240
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:24,920
Speaker 4: and you don't get any of that for free, So

1241
01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:26,960
Speaker 4: it's kind of like you stop at the fourth door.

1242
01:02:27,720 --> 01:02:33,480
Speaker 4: Oh maybe, I mean, like listen, this might this might

1243
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:36,840
Speaker 4: sound derogatory, but it's not. But like, I'd rather be

1244
01:02:37,720 --> 01:02:42,600
Speaker 4: Currency than Drake. I'd rather I'd rather be.

1245
01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:50,040
Speaker 3: Larry June. I'd rather be Ransom or or like than.

1246
01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:54,960
Speaker 4: Drake or Kendrick Even or Kanye or anybody that high up. Okay,

1247
01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:57,560
Speaker 4: I want to, like to your point, I want to

1248
01:02:57,600 --> 01:02:59,040
Speaker 4: be successful. I want to be rich.

1249
01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:01,280
Speaker 3: I don't want to be up there dealing with this

1250
01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:02,680
Speaker 3: shit that them people deal with.

1251
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:07,360
Speaker 4: I want to walk around and live my regular ass life,

1252
01:03:07,600 --> 01:03:11,000
Speaker 4: like I mean, yeah, and you know, but that's just me.

1253
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:13,800
Speaker 4: Depending on where you're at, what type of person you are,

1254
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:15,640
Speaker 4: what you're trying to achieve, maybe you need to go

1255
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:17,400
Speaker 4: all the way up there to get what it is

1256
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:17,960
Speaker 4: you're looking for.

1257
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:20,560
Speaker 3: I just don't want to be that person.

1258
01:03:20,840 --> 01:03:23,080
Speaker 4: And so and again, maybe this is a tangent, but

1259
01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:26,880
Speaker 4: just the celebrity of it all, it just the overall

1260
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:30,160
Speaker 4: point is it doesn't serve anybody to take on These

1261
01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:32,800
Speaker 4: are just people. Yeah, these are men and women, and

1262
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:35,600
Speaker 4: they're capable of great shit, and they're capable of funck shit,

1263
01:03:35,960 --> 01:03:38,800
Speaker 4: and it just is what it is. But you know,

1264
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:41,480
Speaker 4: it's hard for people to pull themselves out of that

1265
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:43,000
Speaker 4: emotional investment.

1266
01:03:43,560 --> 01:03:47,960
Speaker 1: I guess for final thoughts. Do you where do you?

1267
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:50,160
Speaker 1: What do you see happens for the next what is it?

1268
01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:53,640
Speaker 1: Six more weeks of this trial? I know we're going

1269
01:03:53,720 --> 01:03:57,000
Speaker 1: to have further testimony from people like that. Again, we're

1270
01:03:57,040 --> 01:03:59,800
Speaker 1: not at court, so we don't have to. I'd assume

1271
01:03:59,840 --> 01:04:02,840
Speaker 1: we all he's guilty of a lot. Does he get

1272
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:05,920
Speaker 1: charged with this rico who knows the racketeering? Again, I

1273
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:08,400
Speaker 1: could say, based off of the first two weeks, one

1274
01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:10,840
Speaker 1: of these charges gonna stick. And I don't know what

1275
01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:15,320
Speaker 1: the timing for transportation to engage in prostitution looks like, which,

1276
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:17,680
Speaker 1: by the way, let's be very clear, every nigga in

1277
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:18,960
Speaker 1: my phone could probably be charged for that.

1278
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:22,240
Speaker 2: I don't know that.

1279
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:22,960
Speaker 1: Motherfucker.

1280
01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:26,120
Speaker 3: Hey, what is the time for that?

1281
01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:32,080
Speaker 4: I respect that, I respect we all prepared for either

1282
01:04:32,120 --> 01:04:37,760
Speaker 4: outcome as a collective culture, community whatever the fuck a

1283
01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:43,600
Speaker 4: week prepared for either outcome because I see danger on

1284
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:44,200
Speaker 4: both sides.

1285
01:04:44,200 --> 01:04:49,040
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. I okay. The swing of the

1286
01:04:49,120 --> 01:04:53,280
Speaker 1: pendulum is crazy here, right, I think if he is,

1287
01:04:54,640 --> 01:04:56,600
Speaker 1: here's the thing, we don't know how to separate enough. Right,

1288
01:04:57,080 --> 01:04:59,520
Speaker 1: So if he is convicted of one or two of

1289
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:02,439
Speaker 1: these crime, if he does ten twenty thirty years whatever.

1290
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:07,680
Speaker 1: I think that then we see everyone treating Cassie the

1291
01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:11,600
Speaker 1: way that they're treating Megan, where it's now the narrative

1292
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:15,240
Speaker 1: that another woman is the reason why another black man

1293
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:18,880
Speaker 1: is behind bars, which continues to not be a safe

1294
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:22,920
Speaker 1: place for any for black men or women, and the

1295
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:25,800
Speaker 1: way that we continue to try to fix or mend

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Speaker 1: whatever this relationship between the two dynamics are. If he

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Speaker 1: goes free, I think what it does is potentially I

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Speaker 1: feel like this has enough to reverse what we've seen

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Speaker 1: in the me Too movement, and I think what it

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01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:43,280
Speaker 1: gets is a lot more women to be silenced about

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Speaker 1: the harm in which that they've experienced at the hands

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Speaker 1: of men, and it continues to make it completely more

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Speaker 1: unsafe for us. And unfortunately, the normal niggas that are

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Speaker 1: seeing this may also start to believe that they can

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Speaker 1: act this way and get away with it. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: so those are those are the two. I think it's

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Speaker 1: a lose lose across the board for the safety and

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Speaker 1: progression of where we are at as a community, but

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Speaker 1: also for the safety of of of women coming forward

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Speaker 1: and trying to find justice with their abusers.

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Speaker 4: If he goes free, there's going to be outrage in

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Speaker 4: ways that I don't think that we've seen in these

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Speaker 4: particular kind of cases, right, because why women? Well here's

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01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:37,240
Speaker 4: the thing, right, Like I'm not gonna say everybody he's

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Speaker 4: gotten gotten locked up, but like the biggest names have

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Speaker 4: gone to jail, like r Kelly Bill, like all these

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Speaker 4: people went down. So it'll be weird like how did

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Speaker 4: how did Puff get away with it? How was it

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Speaker 4: a prosecution thing that they just didn't make the case?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 1: Enough?

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Speaker 3: Was there some you know? My homie asked me the

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Speaker 3: other day we were talking about I think the outrage.

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Speaker 1: Would be at the justice system essentially.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's gonna catch some of it by proxy, but like, yeah,

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Speaker 4: I think it'll be a real problem.

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Speaker 1: And then what about if he does get imprisoned? What

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Speaker 1: what if he goes The rage do you think comes

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Speaker 1: from that?

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Speaker 3: I don't think.

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Speaker 4: I think the only people that would be outraged would

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Speaker 4: be like the Kevin Samuels sites, like all his acolytes.

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Speaker 4: They will probably be mad, But I don't think that

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Speaker 4: that will really amount to anything. I don't know that

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Speaker 4: that outrage will take hold in a mainstream kind of way.

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Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, Like they'll be outraged in

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Speaker 4: their niche of whatever it is. And I say that

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Speaker 4: it won't be annoying or loud, but I don't think

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Speaker 4: it'll be anywhere near compared to if he walks from

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Speaker 4: the public, because it'll be on if he if he

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Speaker 4: gets away with it, I don't think they'll be outrage

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Speaker 4: on CNN and MSNBC.

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Speaker 3: But the nosing.

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Speaker 4: The nogay yo listen, do you but do you understand

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Speaker 4: what that looks like?

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01:08:03,520 --> 01:08:04,600
Speaker 3: What do you what does that look like?

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01:08:04,840 --> 01:08:07,320
Speaker 4: To be even more, I think some of the degenerate

1349
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:09,680
Speaker 4: dudes that we're talking about, they're gonna have They're gonna

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Speaker 4: be more emboldened to talk crazy down to women.

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Speaker 3: I think that's what that control to do.

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Speaker 1: That my fear is actually for women. That's like, that's

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Speaker 1: what my fear is for I think.

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Speaker 2: I think also to like puff is gonna be if puffkins.

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Speaker 2: By the way, you can say I'm dating myself because

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Speaker 2: I keeping them like.

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Speaker 1: We all.

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Speaker 3: Maybe not.

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Speaker 2: To your point, Joall, Like you know, like Cosby, Cosby

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Speaker 2: got freed, but he kept a low profile right because

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Speaker 2: there was truth and evidence that came out and he

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Speaker 2: knew like I must say I got my freedom.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna shut the state and stay low. Puff is

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Speaker 1: such a.

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Speaker 2: Ham that all this evidence, Like the mother, if he

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Speaker 2: was free, he's gonna come out and drop a new album.

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Speaker 4: He's going to do and he will be a menace.

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Speaker 4: He'll do Okay, So here's another Do you think he

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Speaker 4: can get away with that? Because I don't know, I

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Speaker 4: don't know what kind of support he would have to

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Speaker 4: be fair.

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Speaker 1: R Kelly got away with his first trial. We've seen

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Speaker 1: O J get away from that. If it's and if

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Speaker 1: he gets away with it, he'll still have his money.

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Speaker 3: He'll have his money.

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Speaker 1: They might they might, they might take his assets, right,

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01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:16,800
Speaker 1: so it's like he'll have his money. He'll go independent.

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Speaker 2: It'll be like something is trying to do right, Like

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Speaker 2: he'll go to like an independent distributor who they don't

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Speaker 2: give a fuck.

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Speaker 1: Like there's a guess what we go see this on Twitter,

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01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:28,000
Speaker 1: the men saying run them streams up.

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Speaker 4: He had, Yeah, academics, faed ass definitely, fat ass will

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01:09:36,040 --> 01:09:36,760
Speaker 4: definitely be on it.

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Speaker 1: Probably academics going on. Actually, look now you got me calling.

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Speaker 2: You.

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Speaker 1: You know what's crazy? He gonna come out and go

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Speaker 1: straight to fresh and fit.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you're naming these particular people. This is another

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01:09:58,160 --> 01:10:03,400
Speaker 4: sub category of were you talking about. That's a larger problem.

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Speaker 4: Niggas every day, they knocks every day. So essentially though,

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Speaker 4: and this isn't even like essentially, you're saying that if

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Speaker 4: he gets off puffy like.

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Speaker 1: Nasty work, he said, Oh yeah, I didn't even want

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Speaker 1: to get into that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's the whole Yeah, it's crazy.

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Speaker 1: Okay, can I be problematic real quick? Only because we

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01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:38,480
Speaker 1: are the end of the episode would be real problematic.

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Speaker 1: So when I heard that he would have the male

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Speaker 1: escorts ejaculate on Cassie, and Cassie would have to go

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01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:47,679
Speaker 1: to the other room and rub his nipples with the nut.

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01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:54,680
Speaker 1: From this is where human human nature, I was a

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01:10:54,720 --> 01:11:05,120
Speaker 1: little jealous. That kind of sound like I had I

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01:11:05,280 --> 01:11:07,160
Speaker 1: even dealing with the freaks I thought I've been dealing

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01:11:07,200 --> 01:11:10,880
Speaker 1: with because also imporn, I guess that's where my mind goes.

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01:11:11,439 --> 01:11:15,479
Speaker 1: I'd have gone down some rabbit holes something specific for everything.

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01:11:15,560 --> 01:11:18,880
Speaker 1: You have never thought to have a man nut on me,

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01:11:19,640 --> 01:11:23,040
Speaker 1: to grab the nut to play without another man.

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01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:26,320
Speaker 2: My mind didn't even you can't you can't say puff's

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01:11:26,360 --> 01:11:29,519
Speaker 2: on an innovator, just creative and creative.

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01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:33,080
Speaker 3: He invented.

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01:11:33,120 --> 01:11:38,000
Speaker 1: He invented the remix. That was a remix that I've

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01:11:38,120 --> 01:11:40,240
Speaker 1: never because like, okay, now I'm over sharing.

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01:11:40,520 --> 01:11:44,920
Speaker 5: But I was like, damn from one room to the next,

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01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:49,519
Speaker 5: and it stay wet for a little bit, but the

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01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:53,519
Speaker 5: consistency changes, like the nuts don't stay, Like it don't stay.

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Speaker 3: It's like, what did somebody stop you? Like, yo, you

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01:11:59,200 --> 01:12:01,400
Speaker 3: got water dissolving.

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01:12:01,000 --> 01:12:01,519
Speaker 4: In your hand.

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01:12:04,040 --> 01:12:08,080
Speaker 1: We're not making fun of the hard no, no, absolutely,

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01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:08,640
Speaker 1: this is a.

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01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:11,519
Speaker 3: Whole other conversation. It was like, you know what.

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01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:15,400
Speaker 2: Another crazy detail to me that the assistant had to

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01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:17,360
Speaker 2: buy the lube and get reimbursed.

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01:12:18,240 --> 01:12:21,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, he had the expense it. Yes, that was crazy

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01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:21,600
Speaker 3: to me.

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01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:24,240
Speaker 1: Wait, did y'all see the pictures from the Miami house

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01:12:24,280 --> 01:12:28,400
Speaker 1: that had the how do you have time?

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01:12:28,720 --> 01:12:32,680
Speaker 3: You gotta you got four daughters off?

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01:12:32,720 --> 01:12:34,920
Speaker 1: We see how much having kids.

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01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:37,160
Speaker 8: Stuff?

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01:12:37,280 --> 01:12:39,640
Speaker 1: You know, Like he had the time. And let's be

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01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:41,880
Speaker 1: very clear, he doesn't have to go through t s a.

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01:12:42,320 --> 01:12:46,080
Speaker 1: He he flies private and how do you think about that?

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01:12:46,200 --> 01:12:48,559
Speaker 3: Like, I gotta do this today. That today. By the way,

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01:12:48,760 --> 01:12:49,040
Speaker 3: as a.

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Speaker 1: Creative though, the more money you have, the more your

1438
01:12:51,560 --> 01:12:53,719
Speaker 1: team does a lot of things for you, right, even

1439
01:12:54,520 --> 01:12:57,880
Speaker 1: had an assistant that was yeah, wait wait wait podcasting.

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01:12:58,200 --> 01:13:00,479
Speaker 1: You can both record me a weheezier a recorded through

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01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:03,200
Speaker 1: Augusts already, you know what I mean. So, like, there's

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01:13:03,280 --> 01:13:05,240
Speaker 1: ways that you you can make time. The fact that

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01:13:05,320 --> 01:13:09,280
Speaker 1: Freakolls was less than four days that nigga had time, Yes.

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01:13:09,240 --> 01:13:11,200
Speaker 3: She was crazy. Part of one of the while we're

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01:13:11,200 --> 01:13:16,200
Speaker 3: talking about details, one of the things that was crazy.

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01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:19,800
Speaker 4: They said the investigator, the lead investigator who ran in

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01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:22,000
Speaker 4: this house in Miami, said that when they went in

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01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:24,679
Speaker 4: the house, they went to his closet and they found

1449
01:13:24,720 --> 01:13:27,080
Speaker 4: all the loube and a bunch of like thirty six

1450
01:13:27,200 --> 01:13:28,400
Speaker 4: pairs of clear.

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01:13:28,280 --> 01:13:30,639
Speaker 3: High heels, stripper shoes, the whole thing.

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01:13:31,240 --> 01:13:34,200
Speaker 4: But they said they found a wooden box, a decorative

1453
01:13:34,320 --> 01:13:37,519
Speaker 4: box with a gold plaque on top that said Puffy.

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01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:39,320
Speaker 4: And they said they opened the box and that's where

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01:13:39,439 --> 01:13:43,280
Speaker 4: all the pills is at, all the all ecstasy, all

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01:13:43,360 --> 01:13:47,000
Speaker 4: the purpose sets, the mods. No, I'm just saying the

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01:13:47,040 --> 01:13:51,400
Speaker 4: fact that this nigga had a box with Puffy written.

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01:13:52,920 --> 01:13:55,840
Speaker 1: The fact that this nigga had ecstasy pills in the

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01:13:55,920 --> 01:14:00,960
Speaker 1: shape of Obama's face. Yeah, to me, Cawn't you putting

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01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:01,760
Speaker 1: Obama in your mouth?

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01:14:02,920 --> 01:14:05,479
Speaker 3: That's a good one. Well, how about whoever is supplied

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01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:08,439
Speaker 3: that ship? Why you use that Obama?

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01:14:11,120 --> 01:14:12,880
Speaker 1: Isn't that talent though, to be able to make a

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01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:13,400
Speaker 1: pill like that?

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01:14:14,160 --> 01:14:15,880
Speaker 4: I feel like that's like the weed man. I hate

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01:14:15,880 --> 01:14:17,599
Speaker 4: when the weed man try to tell you a name

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01:14:17,680 --> 01:14:20,000
Speaker 4: of the weed, like. This isn't a dispensary, bro, you

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01:14:20,040 --> 01:14:21,559
Speaker 4: don't know what this ship is. I'm gonna know if

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01:14:21,600 --> 01:14:22,040
Speaker 4: it's good or not.

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01:14:22,200 --> 01:14:23,599
Speaker 3: Just give it to me. You don't got to tell

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01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:25,840
Speaker 3: me it's the Obama runts. You don't got to tell me.

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Speaker 1: You give me a good name. I'm like, I'll take it.

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01:14:30,160 --> 01:14:30,600
Speaker 3: I'll take it.

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01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:37,679
Speaker 1: Give me that Wait, you did you bought a Gary

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01:14:37,720 --> 01:14:39,200
Speaker 1: Peyton pack? Gary Peyton pack.

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01:14:39,360 --> 01:14:40,479
Speaker 3: That's I said.

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01:14:40,479 --> 01:14:42,519
Speaker 1: I don't care about anything else. That one sounds good.

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01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:44,720
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna hold you. That does sound fire, though,

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01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:46,160
Speaker 3: That sounds like, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I'm not playing with y'all. Well I not so the

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Speaker 1: detail is well.

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Speaker 3: Yes.

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Speaker 1: Questions for the audience before we get out of here.

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Speaker 1: Do you still think that Cassie is a victim even

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Speaker 1: though she agreed to a lot of the things she

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01:14:57,479 --> 01:15:01,880
Speaker 1: participated in. Despite the evidence of abuse and our conversation,

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Speaker 1: or was Cassie attracted to fame and worship did He's

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01:15:06,120 --> 01:15:09,679
Speaker 1: success and the result of that lifestyle was the treatment

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Speaker 1: she received? Drop your comments over on Patreon in the

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Speaker 1: that's at Selective Ignorance Pod. You can hate it or

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Speaker 1: you can love it. Before we get out of here, though, joh,

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Speaker 1: thank you for joining. You gonna have to come on

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Speaker 1: some music talk. Yeah, yeah, yeah, even though I don't

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Speaker 1: know if y'all want to have conversations with me about music.

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Speaker 1: I think forty Ricky Blue Stars is the classic.

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Speaker 4: So well, there is a specific conversation that I want

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Speaker 4: to have with you about music, but we talk about that.

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Speaker 1: Joy is gonna be coming back on the pod. We'll

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Speaker 1: have to do that.

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Speaker 5: Well.

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Speaker 1: You can hate her, you can love it either way.

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Speaker 1: Are you choosing to be selectively ignorant or are you

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Speaker 1: choosing to get educated? See y'all next week.

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