WEBVTT - Ep. 13: Bear Grease [Render] - Cobras, Bulldozers, and Immortal Roosters

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. My name is Clay Nukeleman. This is a production

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<v Speaker 1>of the bear Grease podcast called The bear Grease Render,

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<v Speaker 1>where we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the

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<v Speaker 1>scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast, presented by f

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<v Speaker 1>HF Gear, American made purpose built hunting and fishing gear

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<v Speaker 1>that's designed to be as rugged as the places we explore.

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<v Speaker 1>It's pretty My poor pigs, My poor pigs. Forget your pigs.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have a c in my truck. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>really know you don't have doors on your doors? Welcome

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<v Speaker 1>to the bar Grease Surrender. Really, welcome to the Burger Surrender. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Dan Rupe doesn't have doors on this truck. Doors. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>It's really hot here in Arkansas, over a hundred hundred

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<v Speaker 1>degrees today, That's what I hear. Hey, did you guys

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<v Speaker 1>know speaking of air conditioning, no doors on the truck.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you boys know that I've been driving a D

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<v Speaker 1>five caterpillar dozer for the last two days. I've spent

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<v Speaker 1>like ten hours one day, two hours one day, eight

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<v Speaker 1>hours to the store and back. It's like an everyday

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<v Speaker 1>driver for me. Now, yes, drive it into town. Did

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<v Speaker 1>y'all see did y'all know that I was doing that. Man,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll tell you what you appreciation. This outdoor media stuff

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<v Speaker 1>does not work out. I know exactly what I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be doing with my life. Like bulldoz are driver. Yeah

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<v Speaker 1>we uh it's a little hard on the intestines though

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<v Speaker 1>not not this one. Man. Air conditioning so cold it

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<v Speaker 1>would absolutely freeze you out. Very comfortable seat. Yeah, this

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<v Speaker 1>is like a really nice posure. Uh. And my dad's

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<v Speaker 1>friend is the one who let us use it, like

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<v Speaker 1>just like let us you know, I guess man, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and so man. So over where we're doing this work

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<v Speaker 1>in the it's actually in the wash Tols. Wink wink, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm getting a wink from the land bridge for those

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<v Speaker 1>of us, for those for those people who aren't from

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<v Speaker 1>this part of the world. Like it's super thick regrowth

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<v Speaker 1>on this property, very thick, Like you couldn't shoot a

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<v Speaker 1>bow twenty yards in most places. And the topography is

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<v Speaker 1>up and down, you know, there's a big drawl that

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<v Speaker 1>comes through our property and some hills and valleys anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's so thick there's no view. I deeply value

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<v Speaker 1>views like and basically, long story short, I'm not gonna

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<v Speaker 1>get in all the details. Me and Dad are building

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<v Speaker 1>a cabin. Me and Dad are building a cabin over

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<v Speaker 1>there at some point, and Dad wanted the cabin down

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<v Speaker 1>on the creek, okay, which is not much of a creek.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a small creek. Dry, it didn't even I wanted

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<v Speaker 1>the cabin up on top of the ridge. But to

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<v Speaker 1>do that, we had to build a pretty long road,

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<v Speaker 1>about a quarter mile probably road. And I wanted a view,

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<v Speaker 1>and I did not know how good the view was

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<v Speaker 1>going to be until I borrowed a Cat five. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that would be awesome, give caterpillar. I jumped in that thing.

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<v Speaker 1>And now I have driven big equipment for I'm good

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<v Speaker 1>on the track ho and a back hoe, and I've

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<v Speaker 1>never driven a doze and man, I got I picked

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<v Speaker 1>it up quick, and I'm like a professional does are operator? Now?

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<v Speaker 1>And we cleared about probably close to an acre of

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<v Speaker 1>stuff so thick you couldn't walk through it. And that

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<v Speaker 1>doz are will knock flatten, knock over a tree that's

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<v Speaker 1>about fourteen fifteen inches in diameter, just drive over it.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean we I was pushing over pine trees that

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<v Speaker 1>you could have built a dose. Are operators out there

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<v Speaker 1>saying you shouldn't be doing that, they're saying, it's probably

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<v Speaker 1>they're pushing over big Anyway, that was a lot of fun.

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<v Speaker 1>But what I appreciate about that story is how brazen

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<v Speaker 1>you are congratulating yourself for being a fantastic bulldozer driving.

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<v Speaker 1>If I mean exactly. It's just a ton of fun

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm I'm steps ahead of everyone. Here we go again, share,

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<v Speaker 1>share knowledge and whizz. I don't know we can this man,

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<v Speaker 1>I said to say. That is why Gary Nucomb is

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<v Speaker 1>not here to say, because we've been working over there

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<v Speaker 1>and he had to go back down there today for

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<v Speaker 1>some other stuff that was going on. So Gary Nucomb

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<v Speaker 1>is not here. So now I would get into introductions,

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<v Speaker 1>I won't. I won't tell who this voice is. That

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<v Speaker 1>is right, Brent Man. Brent home Run appearance on The

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<v Speaker 1>Bar Gerys podcast this week. What do you think we're

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<v Speaker 1>here about? Brands? Say hi to everybody? Hello everybody? Yeah right,

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<v Speaker 1>Daniel Rupe, Dr d Rupe, good to see you man,

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<v Speaker 1>good to be here. The land Bridge Josh Spillmaker still

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<v Speaker 1>that straight up shout out on the bar. Yeah, you

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<v Speaker 1>didn't like coach him to say that, did you know? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the actual land Bridge does come up in conversation with

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people I run with, and they're not

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<v Speaker 1>talking about pretty pretty dang fast. One day I'll do

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<v Speaker 1>an entire Burger's podcast on the lent brilliant man, Get ready,

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<v Speaker 1>that is that going to be my moment? Is that

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<v Speaker 1>going to be my moment? Probably? Probably don't count on it. Hey, listen,

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<v Speaker 1>if you live in North America and you do not

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<v Speaker 1>know about the Baring land Bridge, then basically there's a

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<v Speaker 1>massive hole in your understanding of why you are here,

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<v Speaker 1>the animals that are on this continitor here, and basically

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<v Speaker 1>you are sort of irresponsible. That's my take. Lots of

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<v Speaker 1>lots of generalized statements being thrown around. Really yeah, all

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<v Speaker 1>positive direction that does. That's what happened to the land

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<v Speaker 1>Bridge yesterday. I felt intoxicated with power. I think it

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<v Speaker 1>may have shaped me like in an unhealthy way. Man. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>people have complained that we're talking over each other. This

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<v Speaker 1>has been like one NonStop no no, we gotta keep

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<v Speaker 1>it up. Forget those people. We're gonna talk about reviews

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<v Speaker 1>here in a minute. Land Bridge, Josh, good to see

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<v Speaker 1>you back from wherever he was. Malachi Nichols, Dr Nichols.

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<v Speaker 1>Good to see you, man, Good to see you. When

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<v Speaker 1>Malachi walked in the day, I was like, you've been

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<v Speaker 1>playing golf, got Brent? Will you describe what he's wearing.

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<v Speaker 1>He's got some socks from they probably should have. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know how you described it. Looks like a d

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<v Speaker 1>N A pattern or something. I'd say they come from school.

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<v Speaker 1>Looks like I think Dolly Parton's mama made those like

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<v Speaker 1>that to go. Mali guy is known for his socks

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<v Speaker 1>and has been for years. Strong man carry on the

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<v Speaker 1>reason I'm not okay. He goes out, he goes up

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<v Speaker 1>from his decorative socks to a pair of non pleated

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<v Speaker 1>slacks comfortable anywhere from a night out on the town

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<v Speaker 1>to accompanying that. Finishing off his attire would be a

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<v Speaker 1>white polo literally obviously been pressed sometime in the last

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<v Speaker 1>five years. It looks good, but he's actually got a

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<v Speaker 1>polo poo. That's what that is. Yeah, I thought that

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<v Speaker 1>was self explainator. It can be generic, like you could

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<v Speaker 1>buy polo from Walmart. That's the style that is. Not

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<v Speaker 1>only is it a polo shirt, it is a polo exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that better? Yeah? Bulldozer Man Malo. Great to have

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<v Speaker 1>you back. We told we told everybody last time why

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<v Speaker 1>you weren't here. I wasn't not here Africa. It was

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<v Speaker 1>because you got asked it out by by the land Bridge.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, okay. And then our guest of honor, Miss

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<v Speaker 1>num my wife, Hello, Misty, how nice? So sorry, He's

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<v Speaker 1>so sorry for everybody else who did not get that introduction.

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<v Speaker 1>Nod you guys, You guys should start to queue in

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<v Speaker 1>on non verbal things that are happening in this room.

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<v Speaker 1>If you'll notice, Miss Nukem has a banjo in her

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<v Speaker 1>lap always. Well, I was just gonna say, just if

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<v Speaker 1>I I I got invited to play at my first

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<v Speaker 1>non Bear Grease gig. Pretty big deal. Don't tell them

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<v Speaker 1>it's true. Yeah, I'll be We're not invited. I'll keep

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<v Speaker 1>watching for the release of those tickets for the Arkansas

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<v Speaker 1>Music Pavilion. Right, she's playing with Willie Nelson. No, no,

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<v Speaker 1>not true. Hey. iTunes and reviews on iTunes are big

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<v Speaker 1>in the podcast world. None of us podcasters know why,

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<v Speaker 1>but we just all know that it is because podcasters

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<v Speaker 1>like continually beg people for ratings and reviews. None of

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<v Speaker 1>us know why. It's kind of like being a North

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<v Speaker 1>American and not knowing that, you know, humans first came

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<v Speaker 1>across a barren land bridge. You know, it's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>irresponsible that I don't really understand why iTunes ratings are important,

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<v Speaker 1>but they really are, and people have really come through

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<v Speaker 1>big time for us. We've we've got it. Well, I

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<v Speaker 1>was going to bring up that one reviews this is

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<v Speaker 1>the greatest podcast in history two stars. Yeah, so that's

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<v Speaker 1>why I wanted to bring this up. It's literally I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's aid instant hit love this like it's like

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<v Speaker 1>just glowed. Yeah, it was just like, this is awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>Two stars. I would like to hear what a good

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<v Speaker 1>podcast was for that guy got a five star, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean because I mean, I'd like to hear what

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<v Speaker 1>he would say about it, you know, but it was

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<v Speaker 1>it was pretty impressive. Hey, did you guys know that

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<v Speaker 1>the Beargrease podcast has a new official title sponsor? Did

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<v Speaker 1>y'all catch it? Y'all didn't catch it? Caterpillar? Caterpillar? No

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<v Speaker 1>f h F gear? Oh yeah, I did y'all hear that?

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<v Speaker 1>In the intro it was f h F gear. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>y'all know what f HF stands for? No Fish Hunt

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<v Speaker 1>Fight oh, fish Hunt fight Yeah, so fish Hunt Fight gear.

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<v Speaker 1>I've got some some f H stuff right here. No,

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<v Speaker 1>this is this is one of the meteor companies. This

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<v Speaker 1>is one a pretty cool bad this is a this

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<v Speaker 1>is uh yeah, this is there like accessories pouch. So

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<v Speaker 1>I used this basically f HFY. They became known probably

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<v Speaker 1>originally with their binocular harnesses, so it's a chest harness

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<v Speaker 1>but they're making all kinds of other stuff now and

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<v Speaker 1>so this is their their their pouch, like this is

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<v Speaker 1>my turkey pouch. That would be a great fly fishing

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<v Speaker 1>pack right there. Just they've got them. It looks perfect

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<v Speaker 1>for the very comfortable, like you quit if you wear

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<v Speaker 1>one of these. I mean, you know, you you might

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<v Speaker 1>need more storage if you really were trying to carry

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<v Speaker 1>a backpack. But man, everything's right here on your chest.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, this is just there. Okay, housekeeping items here okay. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>First Light is having their season opener sale, which is

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<v Speaker 1>their biggest sale of the whole year, and it it

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<v Speaker 1>goes from August three August five. A bunch of stuff

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<v Speaker 1>is on sale. It's their best sell the year. So

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<v Speaker 1>if you're looking to get stuck out in some First

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<v Speaker 1>Light stuff and I'll tell you what I'm gonna talk about.

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<v Speaker 1>So on on social media, they just said, hey, we

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<v Speaker 1>want you all to tell your top three pieces of gear,

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<v Speaker 1>like your must have pieces, because sometimes it's confusing just

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<v Speaker 1>with a clothing company that has all these different kind

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<v Speaker 1>of complex systems and different things. It's just like, what

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<v Speaker 1>do you get sawbuck pants? Man? I wear a sawbuck

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<v Speaker 1>It's to wonder I'm not wearing them today. I literally

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<v Speaker 1>almost wear them every day. Uh sawbuck pants that basically

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<v Speaker 1>have it's a synthetic material on the back but a

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<v Speaker 1>brush pant front. And uh so they're kind of tough

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<v Speaker 1>that that you know you can you can, You're kind

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<v Speaker 1>of tough, but they're they're also breathable, lightweight. Absolutely love them.

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<v Speaker 1>Brush guard in the front, breathable in the back. It's

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<v Speaker 1>the first. It's the Union Suit of Hunting paints pant

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<v Speaker 1>right there. You really like. Number two is the brooks

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<v Speaker 1>Down sweater, which is they call it a sweater, but

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it's a Jacket's jealous of since you walked

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<v Speaker 1>in with it, I'm gonna be getting one of those. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a man. Once it gets October, I will wear

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<v Speaker 1>it every day from October through March. You're gonna wash it? No, No,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not joking. No, I don't wash it. It's a jacket, Daniel,

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's so it's a I can see why this

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<v Speaker 1>question would have been relevant. It's not really a sweater

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<v Speaker 1>that you wear that like touches your skin. It's a jacket.

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<v Speaker 1>But they called the Brookstown sweater. Ever since Clay has

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<v Speaker 1>been on the dozer, he doesn't listen to any questions,

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<v Speaker 1>writes us Off. Brooks Down sweater. Okay. And then the

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<v Speaker 1>third one is the core Get God pants. So you'll

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<v Speaker 1>hear me talking about that core Get God Pant's basically

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<v Speaker 1>there weather synthetic material pant, but it's it's awesome stretch yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>like yoga, Yeah yeah, I like them. Um. Hey, so

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<v Speaker 1>we usually kind of have like story time on the podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh, Missy and I have a story. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's a timely story. Will you be telling it together? No,

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<v Speaker 1>he's gonna cut me off. Let me tell this part. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>Misty will help me because Misty is a big part

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<v Speaker 1>of the story. So Missy please feel free, feel free

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<v Speaker 1>to chime in, but feel free to do your story.

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<v Speaker 1>We've had chickens for probably fifteen years, and we've had

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<v Speaker 1>an assortment, an assortment of roosters, and so all our

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<v Speaker 1>kids will have rooster stories, and people's kids that have

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<v Speaker 1>come over here. You know, for those of you wouldn't know,

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<v Speaker 1>roosters are honree and they will attack you. Some there's

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<v Speaker 1>a there's a variation. Some roosters are really bad about

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<v Speaker 1>wanting to attack people. Some roosters aren't that bad at

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<v Speaker 1>all exactly. And we've had a rooster that thought he

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<v Speaker 1>was human and kind of imprinted on clay and would

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<v Speaker 1>follow him around on the phone and crow behind. I

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<v Speaker 1>guess we gotta tell that story. I had a buddy

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<v Speaker 1>that gave me a rooster, like a single rooster, when

0:16:30.200 --> 0:16:32.640
<v Speaker 1>we had no chickens. They had to get rid of

0:16:32.640 --> 0:16:34.640
<v Speaker 1>this rooster because they had it in town and it

0:16:34.760 --> 0:16:39.200
<v Speaker 1>was crowing and the city made him. So you can't

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<v Speaker 1>have that rooster. It's making a racket. Your neighbors are

0:16:41.320 --> 0:16:43.960
<v Speaker 1>calling us. He brings it here, turns loose this barred

0:16:44.080 --> 0:16:47.880
<v Speaker 1>rock rooster in my house. And the rooster has no

0:16:47.920 --> 0:16:50.280
<v Speaker 1>other chickens, and so like I'm the one that's here,

0:16:50.360 --> 0:16:53.200
<v Speaker 1>like walking around the closest to the chicken. He's gone.

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<v Speaker 1>He follows me around every day and in this office,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm trying to make a living for Bare Hunting Magazine

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<v Speaker 1>and scrapping away as an entrepreneur, and I'm in here

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<v Speaker 1>by myself, and that rooster would stalk me, watching me

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<v Speaker 1>through the windows. And as soon as I would get

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<v Speaker 1>a phone call, and that rooster would hear me talking

0:17:12.760 --> 0:17:21.199
<v Speaker 1>in this building would look at me and literally I

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<v Speaker 1>would I would take myself if I if I was

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<v Speaker 1>on an important call, like someone I'm trying to like

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<v Speaker 1>do business with that doesn't know much about me, Like

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<v Speaker 1>I would like run out to try to get as

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<v Speaker 1>far away as I could from that rooster. But he

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't crow until he heard me talk. So like people,

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<v Speaker 1>people have memories of being clay the first time I

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<v Speaker 1>called Baring a magazine. We would eat dinner with that

0:17:47.240 --> 0:17:51.600
<v Speaker 1>rooster and he would come up to that would be

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<v Speaker 1>eating dinner, and the rooster would be out all right,

0:17:53.920 --> 0:18:00.320
<v Speaker 1>we took him on a date. Now we just sit

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<v Speaker 1>there as a family, and you'd come and look and stare,

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<v Speaker 1>and you'd kind of feel bad that you didn't invite

0:18:04.240 --> 0:18:08.440
<v Speaker 1>him in because he's kind of like, hey, guys, am,

0:18:08.440 --> 0:18:10.119
<v Speaker 1>I not part of the family. I mean, he really

0:18:10.160 --> 0:18:13.280
<v Speaker 1>was part of the family. The most recent rooster has

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<v Speaker 1>been a terrorist for the last three years, and he

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<v Speaker 1>is he's he's attacked me publicly. He has attacked pretty

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<v Speaker 1>much every one of our kids. He has a particular

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<v Speaker 1>thing with people in shorts, so if you go running,

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<v Speaker 1>if you go, he'll come and run after you wear shorts,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're a white guy, so you don't have any spurs. So, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>we have this rooster and he's he's bad news. Okay,

0:18:42.440 --> 0:18:45.760
<v Speaker 1>he's been alive for three or four years, and he's old.

0:18:45.760 --> 0:18:48.200
<v Speaker 1>He's an old rooster because we got stories that rooster

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<v Speaker 1>years pretty far back. Well, there came a point. There

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<v Speaker 1>came a point when we decided years ago that this

0:18:56.520 --> 0:18:59.960
<v Speaker 1>rooster was a liability to our place. Now he needed

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<v Speaker 1>to go, you know, the door, defeat it and it

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<v Speaker 1>just come out and attack you. Okay. And so, being

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<v Speaker 1>the good dad that I am, I delegated off the

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<v Speaker 1>task of disposing of this rooster to shepherd my youngest son,

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<v Speaker 1>who at the time would have been under ten years old,

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<v Speaker 1>pretty good shot. And so, being also a responsible father,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't give him a gun. What did I give

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<v Speaker 1>him to go dispatch. The rooster was bo gave shepherd

0:19:31.400 --> 0:19:33.360
<v Speaker 1>nook and my bow. He's pretty good with a bow.

0:19:33.760 --> 0:19:38.399
<v Speaker 1>And we just said, shepherd, dispatch, take care of the rooster. Okay,

0:19:39.040 --> 0:19:43.040
<v Speaker 1>the rooster wink. Shepherd goes out, but he shoots this

0:19:43.160 --> 0:19:46.400
<v Speaker 1>rooster and he he comes back in and he's all

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<v Speaker 1>excited and he's like, I got him, Dad, And I

0:19:48.240 --> 0:19:51.800
<v Speaker 1>was like, really good, and I said, I mean he's dead, huh,

0:19:51.840 --> 0:19:54.280
<v Speaker 1>And he said, well, he ran off into the woods.

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<v Speaker 1>And before I go any further, let me say that

0:19:58.119 --> 0:20:01.720
<v Speaker 1>anybody who's ever eaten a chicken nugget or any kind

0:20:01.760 --> 0:20:06.760
<v Speaker 1>of chicken that was raised in confinement agriculture has zero

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<v Speaker 1>position to be able to judge the caretaking of our rooster.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay about it? Yeah, yeah, I want somebody being like, oh,

0:20:17.680 --> 0:20:21.320
<v Speaker 1>you abused a rooster. No, shepherd shoots the rooster with

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<v Speaker 1>a bowl. The rooster runs off, and I just think

0:20:26.680 --> 0:20:28.879
<v Speaker 1>it's gone out in the woods and died. To be honest,

0:20:29.560 --> 0:20:32.159
<v Speaker 1>that was your first mistake. And I just thought, okay,

0:20:32.680 --> 0:20:37.600
<v Speaker 1>never underestimate a rooster. Well man ride it dark. When

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<v Speaker 1>all the chickens start coming into the coupe from way

0:20:40.720 --> 0:20:44.040
<v Speaker 1>across the pasture. I look out there and I see

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<v Speaker 1>the captain. That was his name, General Custer, his name

0:20:51.320 --> 0:20:59.200
<v Speaker 1>is the captain. I see him limping across the limping

0:20:59.240 --> 0:21:03.720
<v Speaker 1>across the and I go, dad, Gum, that sucker still alive.

0:21:04.280 --> 0:21:07.040
<v Speaker 1>And he limps all the way back into the coupe.

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<v Speaker 1>And we had so much respect for him. After this

0:21:13.680 --> 0:21:15.600
<v Speaker 1>humbled him. He was a little bit easier to handle,

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<v Speaker 1>Like he would open the door and he'd just be like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just gonna walk, I'm gonna lit by him. A

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<v Speaker 1>pattern began to establish itself. Is this a way that

0:21:24.400 --> 0:21:31.280
<v Speaker 1>Clay could be humbled? Everything him? So we kind of

0:21:31.320 --> 0:21:34.040
<v Speaker 1>had empathy for him after this. We're like, well we

0:21:34.320 --> 0:21:37.520
<v Speaker 1>maybe shot him, Well, maybe we'll let him lift. Because

0:21:37.640 --> 0:21:41.040
<v Speaker 1>the next day he was nicer, and for months he

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<v Speaker 1>didn't attack anyone. Years okay, and he kind of dialed back.

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<v Speaker 1>So the rooster gradually builds up whatever he lost and

0:21:54.840 --> 0:21:59.040
<v Speaker 1>he starts getting real honree again. Okay. One day, Missy

0:21:59.040 --> 0:22:01.000
<v Speaker 1>and I are going somewhere and it was hot. I

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<v Speaker 1>remember I was dressed up in like the nicest clothes

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<v Speaker 1>eye own. I remember that I needed something way out

0:22:09.520 --> 0:22:12.399
<v Speaker 1>by the mule pasture, I go dog on it and

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<v Speaker 1>I run. I jump out of the truck and run

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<v Speaker 1>over to the mule pasture running and they're all the

0:22:20.760 --> 0:22:25.760
<v Speaker 1>chickens and bisect the chicken flock and they just go

0:22:25.920 --> 0:22:28.280
<v Speaker 1>The chickens just go flying and eat a direction. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm running right through the middle of this flock of chickens.

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<v Speaker 1>Chickens going right, chickens going left. The captain does not

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<v Speaker 1>like that at all, and he absolutely just goes full tilt, spurring, flying, kicking,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean on me. And if you've never had that

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<v Speaker 1>happen to you, I've been pretty darn there charged by

0:22:53.200 --> 0:22:57.520
<v Speaker 1>black bears, and this is scarier. Okay. I mean he's

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<v Speaker 1>spurring me, and I mean I've holler and I get

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<v Speaker 1>out of here. Yeah, And I kick him just as

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<v Speaker 1>hard as I am kicking. He goes across the yard,

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<v Speaker 1>hits the ground, comes back at me again about roosters. Relentless.

0:23:12.840 --> 0:23:15.040
<v Speaker 1>He is attacking me like if it had been a

0:23:15.080 --> 0:23:17.320
<v Speaker 1>small kid, I'd been afraid to kill them. While I

0:23:17.359 --> 0:23:20.119
<v Speaker 1>was standing in our orchard and then our orchard, I

0:23:20.280 --> 0:23:22.879
<v Speaker 1>trimmed some limbs, and there was a limb that was

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<v Speaker 1>about five inches long and about as big around as

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<v Speaker 1>a coke can that was laying on the ground. I

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<v Speaker 1>pick it up and just sling it sideways, just like

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<v Speaker 1>that at him. I mean, I'm not trying to kill him.

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<v Speaker 1>M and I mean it just hits him right in

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<v Speaker 1>the head. That sucker goes down on his back, wings

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<v Speaker 1>start flopping, feet are sticking straight up in the air,

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<v Speaker 1>and I mean in his feet kick kick kick limp.

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<v Speaker 1>Mrs Captain, there's been an accident. The rooster is dead

0:24:05.200 --> 0:24:09.439
<v Speaker 1>as a hammer, and I God gone it. I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't trying to kill him. What please don't try

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<v Speaker 1>to kill me as a hammer. And so I walk

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<v Speaker 1>over there and I'm up, I'm upset. I know what

0:24:25.760 --> 0:24:27.919
<v Speaker 1>it looks like when something dies, and this rooster just

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<v Speaker 1>died right here, and I know Misty is gonna be upset.

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<v Speaker 1>I go back to the truck and I'm actually nervous

0:24:35.320 --> 0:24:40.000
<v Speaker 1>about telling Misty. I get in the truck and I go, Misty,

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<v Speaker 1>something's really sad. Just I said, I just killed the captain.

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<v Speaker 1>If I lost my brother into tears, I'm not kidding.

0:24:57.760 --> 0:25:00.000
<v Speaker 1>He always, I think, exaggerates his part of a little,

0:25:00.080 --> 0:25:03.679
<v Speaker 1>but I mean there were sniffles breaking into tears. Sounds

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<v Speaker 1>like I'm wailing and dashing of teeth. I mean, I

0:25:06.720 --> 0:25:09.760
<v Speaker 1>mean like tears came out of your eyes and you said,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my gosh, what happened? And I tell her and

0:25:13.119 --> 0:25:15.960
<v Speaker 1>she says, where's the at And I say, he's laying

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<v Speaker 1>right out there in the mule pasture dead. Misty says,

0:25:19.200 --> 0:25:24.520
<v Speaker 1>I want to see him. Misty said, I want to

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<v Speaker 1>see him. And we're dressed up in like the best

0:25:26.800 --> 0:25:28.679
<v Speaker 1>clothes we've got, like I said, and I go, you

0:25:28.680 --> 0:25:31.560
<v Speaker 1>want to see him? I said, I don't think. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't thank you, I don't want the mule. A lot

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<v Speaker 1>of unanswered questions. So finally she convinces me she wants

0:25:46.320 --> 0:25:48.760
<v Speaker 1>to go see the dead cap. She just wants this,

0:25:48.920 --> 0:25:53.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, part of So I go, okay, well let's

0:25:53.440 --> 0:25:56.119
<v Speaker 1>go over there. And so we walk over there, and

0:25:56.160 --> 0:25:59.119
<v Speaker 1>we come around the chicken coop. I'll never forget it.

0:25:59.200 --> 0:26:02.560
<v Speaker 1>I'll never forge get it. Misty comes around the chicken

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<v Speaker 1>coop and gains vista of the mule pasture and she

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<v Speaker 1>goes there is well, he is running through the mule

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<v Speaker 1>pasture going after his girl. He's ever been in history.

0:26:20.560 --> 0:26:25.240
<v Speaker 1>That's number two. That's twice. It humbled him though. Okay,

0:26:25.480 --> 0:26:28.000
<v Speaker 1>we have a squirrel dog named Tim. Tim is one

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<v Speaker 1>of the smartest animals we've ever interacted with. Incredibly smart.

0:26:31.840 --> 0:26:34.920
<v Speaker 1>He's a feist, He's a squirrel dog. Anywhere there's drama,

0:26:35.160 --> 0:26:39.760
<v Speaker 1>Tim is involved in. He loves drama. When the mules fight, like,

0:26:39.840 --> 0:26:42.800
<v Speaker 1>he'll go out and start baying him sure for real.

0:26:43.000 --> 0:26:45.680
<v Speaker 1>When when the pigs get out, like he's the one

0:26:45.760 --> 0:26:47.919
<v Speaker 1>telling us that the pigs are out, like he's running

0:26:48.440 --> 0:26:52.399
<v Speaker 1>Tim and the captain. The captain attacks Tim. Tim will

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<v Speaker 1>be eating his dog food. The captain will come over

0:26:54.760 --> 0:26:57.200
<v Speaker 1>and run Tim off his dog food and eat Tim's

0:26:57.240 --> 0:27:00.960
<v Speaker 1>dog food. So Tim likes drama, but he's a little

0:27:01.000 --> 0:27:05.560
<v Speaker 1>bit well, so Tim has gotten where he where. He

0:27:05.720 --> 0:27:08.159
<v Speaker 1>runs after the captain and they'll kind of get in

0:27:08.160 --> 0:27:10.480
<v Speaker 1>a little fight, but Tim will ever touch him, won't

0:27:10.480 --> 0:27:14.600
<v Speaker 1>ever hurt him, and captain runs Tim off. Well, one day,

0:27:14.760 --> 0:27:18.000
<v Speaker 1>Misty is out in the garden, Tim and the captain

0:27:18.320 --> 0:27:23.280
<v Speaker 1>getting a fight and the captain is winning. So they're fighting,

0:27:23.760 --> 0:27:26.200
<v Speaker 1>and captain keeps coming after Tim and scared him off,

0:27:26.680 --> 0:27:29.719
<v Speaker 1>and and Tim will go over just to harass him. Well,

0:27:30.160 --> 0:27:32.600
<v Speaker 1>Tim's gone through puberty now, and he's a little stronger,

0:27:32.640 --> 0:27:36.959
<v Speaker 1>a little faster, and he, I think unintentionally fights Captain

0:27:36.960 --> 0:27:42.240
<v Speaker 1>in the head. I mean, captain goes down and there's

0:27:42.240 --> 0:27:44.800
<v Speaker 1>no there's no flip in, there's no and I go

0:27:44.960 --> 0:27:47.000
<v Speaker 1>film it because I'm I'm sending to Clay because I

0:27:47.040 --> 0:27:52.119
<v Speaker 1>think he's dead. Clays tim the Captain's dead, and he's

0:27:52.280 --> 0:27:55.200
<v Speaker 1>he I think there might be a chance because Captain's

0:27:55.400 --> 0:27:57.600
<v Speaker 1>died and come back a couple of times, and so

0:27:57.920 --> 0:27:59.920
<v Speaker 1>I want Clay to be there for it. I also

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to go mess with him too much because

0:28:02.240 --> 0:28:04.600
<v Speaker 1>he's a mean rooster and he'll come after me. So

0:28:04.640 --> 0:28:08.359
<v Speaker 1>I'm trying, yes, exactly, And so Clay comes home. I

0:28:08.480 --> 0:28:11.000
<v Speaker 1>call him and I said, I think happens dead. But

0:28:11.040 --> 0:28:13.000
<v Speaker 1>the way she said, she said, I think he's dead

0:28:13.040 --> 0:28:19.040
<v Speaker 1>for real. And so I walk out in the field.

0:28:19.080 --> 0:28:22.080
<v Speaker 1>This is a long time after it's happened. Captain is

0:28:22.240 --> 0:28:25.120
<v Speaker 1>laid out flat like I mean, he's not even act

0:28:25.240 --> 0:28:30.320
<v Speaker 1>like chalkoutine. And I walk over there and look at

0:28:30.400 --> 0:28:34.920
<v Speaker 1>him and I see him breathing. I pick him up

0:28:34.960 --> 0:28:37.200
<v Speaker 1>and I set him up on his feet like this,

0:28:38.040 --> 0:28:40.600
<v Speaker 1>and he just kind of goes on and he kind

0:28:40.600 --> 0:28:42.680
<v Speaker 1>of he kind of comes up, kind of comes to

0:28:43.560 --> 0:28:45.400
<v Speaker 1>and he just sits there on the ground and we

0:28:45.520 --> 0:28:48.080
<v Speaker 1>just watch him and I'm like, he's alive, but I'm

0:28:48.120 --> 0:28:51.200
<v Speaker 1>telling Mr Him he's very woozy this time. I'm like,

0:28:51.320 --> 0:28:55.800
<v Speaker 1>he's he's gonna die. Man. We move him to the pen.

0:28:56.000 --> 0:28:57.640
<v Speaker 1>We kind of help him along. He gets in the pen,

0:28:57.760 --> 0:28:59.920
<v Speaker 1>he stays in the coupe for two days, doesn't come

0:29:00.200 --> 0:29:03.080
<v Speaker 1>He stayed in the coup for three days. Okay, finally

0:29:03.120 --> 0:29:05.320
<v Speaker 1>comes out and just sits outside of it, stay in

0:29:05.320 --> 0:29:08.520
<v Speaker 1>the coop for three days. We brought him food and

0:29:08.760 --> 0:29:12.560
<v Speaker 1>did he when he would when he finally came out,

0:29:13.320 --> 0:29:16.520
<v Speaker 1>he would see his girls like straight I'm pointing straight

0:29:16.560 --> 0:29:18.840
<v Speaker 1>in front of me, and he would be trying to

0:29:18.880 --> 0:29:21.920
<v Speaker 1>go after him and he would walk over. He would

0:29:22.000 --> 0:29:29.560
<v Speaker 1>walk side something going on out. On Easter morning, he

0:29:29.680 --> 0:29:34.480
<v Speaker 1>got lost his crow. Crow went from like full volume

0:29:34.600 --> 0:29:37.280
<v Speaker 1>to like for a while, and then it came back

0:29:37.280 --> 0:29:40.200
<v Speaker 1>one day about so a lot. I mean, he was

0:29:40.240 --> 0:29:43.840
<v Speaker 1>really humble after that and pretty mellow, and then it

0:29:44.080 --> 0:29:46.320
<v Speaker 1>just gradually built back up and that crow made back

0:29:46.400 --> 0:29:51.200
<v Speaker 1>and his meanness came back three times. Captain literally, is

0:29:51.240 --> 0:29:55.880
<v Speaker 1>he still around? Well, that's why we're telling this the

0:29:55.920 --> 0:29:59.080
<v Speaker 1>captain is. We need to tell him one more brief thing,

0:29:59.520 --> 0:30:01.920
<v Speaker 1>and that is, Captain one time got his foot stuck

0:30:02.520 --> 0:30:07.240
<v Speaker 1>in some some wire and we had to amputate his toe. Yeah,

0:30:07.960 --> 0:30:10.760
<v Speaker 1>swoll up one time, real bad. And I went in

0:30:10.800 --> 0:30:13.480
<v Speaker 1>there in the dark and grabbed him up. And just

0:30:13.480 --> 0:30:17.040
<v Speaker 1>because he got where he's limping real bad. He had

0:30:17.120 --> 0:30:20.480
<v Speaker 1>this big club nothing, something was wrapped around his toe.

0:30:20.840 --> 0:30:23.360
<v Speaker 1>I just cut his toe off and within two days

0:30:23.400 --> 0:30:26.240
<v Speaker 1>he didn't have a limp. Did the toe grow back, Nope,

0:30:26.280 --> 0:30:28.720
<v Speaker 1>he just had a big old club foot with You know,

0:30:29.240 --> 0:30:31.360
<v Speaker 1>chicken has four toes, one off the back, through off

0:30:31.360 --> 0:30:40.720
<v Speaker 1>the front, and he had the middle one gone rock. Yeah,

0:30:40.720 --> 0:30:44.520
<v Speaker 1>so his toe. Okay, we're when we were a few

0:30:44.520 --> 0:30:46.240
<v Speaker 1>weeks ago, we were gone and we get a text

0:30:46.280 --> 0:30:51.520
<v Speaker 1>from our daughter and she says, it sounds like a

0:30:51.600 --> 0:30:56.960
<v Speaker 1>news headline. The captain is dot I told her, I said,

0:30:56.960 --> 0:30:59.440
<v Speaker 1>I won't believe it till I see it with my

0:30:59.480 --> 0:31:03.720
<v Speaker 1>own us. And sure enough, the captain is dead from

0:31:03.840 --> 0:31:10.400
<v Speaker 1>natural cause you are quite certain that Tim well Tim, again,

0:31:10.480 --> 0:31:12.680
<v Speaker 1>Tim doesn't we have chickens run around all the place.

0:31:12.800 --> 0:31:16.120
<v Speaker 1>He doesn't attack. We think it was where we feed

0:31:16.160 --> 0:31:20.120
<v Speaker 1>tim So we think there was a skirmish around the food.

0:31:20.560 --> 0:31:23.920
<v Speaker 1>So the captain is dead, and that is why Mr

0:31:24.000 --> 0:31:32.320
<v Speaker 1>Nucomla wrote a song about it. Story. Hey, the song

0:31:32.440 --> 0:31:37.480
<v Speaker 1>goes a little something like this, Old Captain, no captain,

0:31:37.960 --> 0:31:44.240
<v Speaker 1>your fearful trip is done, Old captain, no captain, No,

0:31:44.480 --> 0:31:50.680
<v Speaker 1>where have you gone? We'll miss your money crows more

0:31:50.760 --> 0:31:56.160
<v Speaker 1>than you'll ever know, but we won't miss jus fer.

0:31:57.880 --> 0:32:06.760
<v Speaker 1>That's right. Once shepherd shot you with the bow. Once

0:32:07.000 --> 0:32:12.800
<v Speaker 1>we had to amputate your toe. When that lamb hit

0:32:12.960 --> 0:32:17.920
<v Speaker 1>you on the head, lying in the field, we watched

0:32:17.920 --> 0:32:24.200
<v Speaker 1>you raise from the dead, Old captain, Old captain, your

0:32:24.320 --> 0:32:30.000
<v Speaker 1>fearful trip has done everybody. Oh captain, oh captain, and

0:32:30.160 --> 0:32:35.560
<v Speaker 1>a where have you gone? Will miss your mighty crow

0:32:36.360 --> 0:32:42.760
<v Speaker 1>more than you'll ever know, But we won't miss jo spurs.

0:32:46.960 --> 0:32:50.680
<v Speaker 1>We never thought your life would come to an end.

0:32:52.400 --> 0:32:57.960
<v Speaker 1>We thought you were immortal, my friend. We found your

0:32:58.040 --> 0:33:03.640
<v Speaker 1>feathers by where we beat him your careful I will

0:33:03.720 --> 0:33:12.760
<v Speaker 1>finally god him aware never captain, captain, your fare trip

0:33:12.920 --> 0:33:19.600
<v Speaker 1>is done, Old captain, old captain, Oh where have you gone?

0:33:21.360 --> 0:33:25.240
<v Speaker 1>We'll miss your mighty grow more than you'll ever know,

0:33:27.280 --> 0:33:37.760
<v Speaker 1>but we won miss those close who finished appropriate appropriate tribute?

0:33:50.320 --> 0:33:55.800
<v Speaker 1>Hey snake bit great podcast? Would you like about it? Josh? Well,

0:33:56.200 --> 0:33:59.360
<v Speaker 1>you know, I was talking to somebody today. I don't

0:33:59.440 --> 0:34:01.720
<v Speaker 1>walk around on with with too much of a fear

0:34:01.840 --> 0:34:04.560
<v Speaker 1>of of too many things. Like I don't get scared

0:34:04.600 --> 0:34:07.800
<v Speaker 1>about like venomous spiders. I mean, we got brown recluses

0:34:07.800 --> 0:34:09.839
<v Speaker 1>in our house, and I mean the people that come

0:34:09.880 --> 0:34:12.040
<v Speaker 1>and visit. It's not like they run around, but they're

0:34:12.040 --> 0:34:14.879
<v Speaker 1>everywhere around here. Uh. You know, black widows, you see

0:34:14.920 --> 0:34:17.319
<v Speaker 1>them all the time. You know, dogs, Like I don't

0:34:17.320 --> 0:34:21.000
<v Speaker 1>get scared around dogs. But there is something about snakes.

0:34:21.360 --> 0:34:23.080
<v Speaker 1>And I remember reading a story when I was a kid,

0:34:23.160 --> 0:34:25.880
<v Speaker 1>and the reader's digest about this this boy that was

0:34:26.640 --> 0:34:28.560
<v Speaker 1>running through the woods and he jumps over this little

0:34:28.600 --> 0:34:30.799
<v Speaker 1>creek and steps on this stick and the stick ends

0:34:30.840 --> 0:34:33.239
<v Speaker 1>up being a big rattlesnake and bites him, and he,

0:34:34.000 --> 0:34:36.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, just barely escapes with his life. And I remember, like,

0:34:36.960 --> 0:34:39.120
<v Speaker 1>even as a grown man, like I've spent a lot

0:34:39.200 --> 0:34:41.720
<v Speaker 1>of time in the woods, I won't walk through a field.

0:34:42.000 --> 0:34:44.399
<v Speaker 1>I'll choose not to walk through a fields sometimes because

0:34:44.480 --> 0:34:49.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm leery of snakes. So but it it there is

0:34:49.280 --> 0:34:52.840
<v Speaker 1>there's definitely like an emotional response you have so hearing

0:34:52.920 --> 0:34:56.040
<v Speaker 1>people talk about that is is it was? It was good,

0:34:56.080 --> 0:35:00.640
<v Speaker 1>It was very it was very emotion evoking. What was

0:35:00.680 --> 0:35:03.160
<v Speaker 1>your favorite section? So? To me, what I liked about

0:35:03.160 --> 0:35:06.360
<v Speaker 1>this podcast was the diversity of the interviews because it

0:35:06.480 --> 0:35:09.840
<v Speaker 1>was like lighthearted and kind of funny with Brandon, with

0:35:10.000 --> 0:35:14.040
<v Speaker 1>my dad, and then straight up crazy with Mr Fred

0:35:15.719 --> 0:35:18.800
<v Speaker 1>It was like my new best friend, and then it

0:35:18.880 --> 0:35:22.560
<v Speaker 1>went to like super serious at the end. What was

0:35:22.640 --> 0:35:25.600
<v Speaker 1>your Honestly, I have to say probably the most impacting

0:35:25.680 --> 0:35:28.279
<v Speaker 1>part to me was the story at the end and

0:35:28.560 --> 0:35:32.440
<v Speaker 1>I and and I'm always I'm always a like a

0:35:32.600 --> 0:35:34.600
<v Speaker 1>student of I don't know if a student is the

0:35:34.719 --> 0:35:38.080
<v Speaker 1>right word, but I love to observe people and the

0:35:38.160 --> 0:35:41.200
<v Speaker 1>way they respond to things. And to hear this woman

0:35:41.320 --> 0:35:46.920
<v Speaker 1>who this on the outside, this tragic situation horrific. You know,

0:35:47.040 --> 0:35:49.560
<v Speaker 1>the thing you would never wish on your enemy to

0:35:49.680 --> 0:35:51.920
<v Speaker 1>happen to her, but to her to talk about it

0:35:52.000 --> 0:35:55.040
<v Speaker 1>and the way that she processed through it, and then

0:35:55.160 --> 0:35:57.719
<v Speaker 1>to to to say, you know, there were days when

0:35:57.719 --> 0:35:59.000
<v Speaker 1>I didn't want to get out of bed because it

0:35:59.040 --> 0:36:01.120
<v Speaker 1>was scared about snakes on the or to coming to

0:36:01.200 --> 0:36:05.360
<v Speaker 1>this point of resolution inside of herself to say, this

0:36:05.520 --> 0:36:07.320
<v Speaker 1>tragic thing happened to me, but I'm not going to

0:36:07.400 --> 0:36:09.360
<v Speaker 1>allow it to define the way that I lived my

0:36:09.440 --> 0:36:13.520
<v Speaker 1>life from this point on. That was very impacted to me. Yeah, yeah,

0:36:13.960 --> 0:36:15.600
<v Speaker 1>I agree. That was my favorite part. To you. I

0:36:15.680 --> 0:36:19.040
<v Speaker 1>thought she was inspirational. Yeah, just her story, how she

0:36:19.200 --> 0:36:21.680
<v Speaker 1>processed it and just how she moved forward with her

0:36:21.719 --> 0:36:26.840
<v Speaker 1>life and no sense anybody or unusual. Yeah. Like I

0:36:27.080 --> 0:36:29.440
<v Speaker 1>listened to that interview just like you guys did. Like

0:36:29.640 --> 0:36:32.080
<v Speaker 1>I didn't do that interview, Chris, Dr Chris Jenkins did,

0:36:32.320 --> 0:36:34.360
<v Speaker 1>which I owe him a big thank you, and and

0:36:34.480 --> 0:36:38.080
<v Speaker 1>I told him that many times he interviewed he knew

0:36:38.120 --> 0:36:40.360
<v Speaker 1>that woman or it didn't know her well, but you know,

0:36:41.640 --> 0:36:45.520
<v Speaker 1>he knew of her story and he was like, man, Clay,

0:36:45.600 --> 0:36:47.960
<v Speaker 1>if we could get this lady to tell her story

0:36:48.000 --> 0:36:50.759
<v Speaker 1>and be really good, And he worked with her and

0:36:50.920 --> 0:36:53.200
<v Speaker 1>got the story. So when I listened to the story,

0:36:54.000 --> 0:36:58.439
<v Speaker 1>I was like shocked at just her demeanor, Like and yeah,

0:36:58.520 --> 0:37:00.040
<v Speaker 1>he came into the house and talked about it. He

0:37:00.120 --> 0:37:01.040
<v Speaker 1>was like, do you know what I did today? And

0:37:01.120 --> 0:37:03.680
<v Speaker 1>he told me about here, and like it was impacting. Yeah,

0:37:03.680 --> 0:37:06.800
<v Speaker 1>it's not not normal, but what do you think man, Like,

0:37:07.520 --> 0:37:10.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, the part that stuck out to me was

0:37:10.280 --> 0:37:12.480
<v Speaker 1>when you were talking to one of the experts and

0:37:12.640 --> 0:37:15.920
<v Speaker 1>he was talking about how how we respond to snakes

0:37:16.160 --> 0:37:19.279
<v Speaker 1>is a learned trait um, And I think that's that's

0:37:19.320 --> 0:37:22.320
<v Speaker 1>kind of really impactful. That's something that just if you

0:37:22.400 --> 0:37:24.520
<v Speaker 1>think about, there's many things that we do inside of

0:37:24.600 --> 0:37:27.759
<v Speaker 1>life that I learned, right this, it's not right or wrong,

0:37:27.880 --> 0:37:30.360
<v Speaker 1>but it's a learned traite, and so how how we

0:37:30.520 --> 0:37:33.280
<v Speaker 1>are how we respond to snakes is something that's learned.

0:37:33.800 --> 0:37:36.640
<v Speaker 1>And then to see like that crazy guy, it's like

0:37:36.760 --> 0:37:38.600
<v Speaker 1>he's a learned trait that he can get bit and

0:37:38.680 --> 0:37:41.759
<v Speaker 1>it's not gonna not gonna happen, and nothing's gonna happen

0:37:41.800 --> 0:37:43.560
<v Speaker 1>to him. And then you hear that woman like she

0:37:43.760 --> 0:37:47.279
<v Speaker 1>learned to get over her fear of snakes and be

0:37:47.400 --> 0:37:50.400
<v Speaker 1>able to sit next to one in that interview. So

0:37:50.719 --> 0:37:52.319
<v Speaker 1>I think that that's the part that I like. Now

0:37:52.520 --> 0:37:54.680
<v Speaker 1>you don't have much background, Yeah, that's what that was.

0:37:54.920 --> 0:37:57.240
<v Speaker 1>As I was listening to the podcast, it was almost

0:37:57.320 --> 0:37:59.719
<v Speaker 1>like less relevant to me because I didn't grow up

0:38:00.080 --> 0:38:02.799
<v Speaker 1>walking through fields, I didn't grow up hunting, I didn't

0:38:02.800 --> 0:38:05.279
<v Speaker 1>grow up with a lot of exposure to snakes, so

0:38:05.760 --> 0:38:09.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't really have this extreme emotion. I don't would

0:38:09.040 --> 0:38:12.359
<v Speaker 1>say to snakes. And if I see a rattlesnake, I'm

0:38:12.400 --> 0:38:18.000
<v Speaker 1>not stupid. But uh, we put three snakes in this

0:38:18.200 --> 0:38:23.960
<v Speaker 1>room for you today. Exactly what was the first venomous

0:38:23.960 --> 0:38:27.520
<v Speaker 1>snake you ever saw? Oh? And how I can't? I

0:38:27.880 --> 0:38:30.000
<v Speaker 1>can't remember the first one. I mean just ever since

0:38:30.040 --> 0:38:33.120
<v Speaker 1>I was born. Remember vividly. I was nine years old

0:38:33.200 --> 0:38:36.040
<v Speaker 1>and it was a coral snake. Coral snake in Texas.

0:38:37.560 --> 0:38:40.160
<v Speaker 1>Vividly remember it. Mr Fred Lalley has been dry it

0:38:40.239 --> 0:38:42.680
<v Speaker 1>by coral snake. I heard about that. Yeah, now I

0:38:42.719 --> 0:38:47.640
<v Speaker 1>don't remember the first one. The um so your mama, Mali,

0:38:47.760 --> 0:38:49.560
<v Speaker 1>I didn't grow up telling you to watch out for

0:38:49.640 --> 0:38:54.160
<v Speaker 1>snakes in Midland, Texas. You know what? What's interesting so

0:38:54.320 --> 0:38:56.600
<v Speaker 1>that I wanted a nerd out on it, but there

0:38:56.719 --> 0:38:59.239
<v Speaker 1>was just too much. I actually cut out a ton

0:38:59.320 --> 0:39:01.640
<v Speaker 1>of stuff out of the podcast, like there's twice as

0:39:01.760 --> 0:39:05.440
<v Speaker 1>much um with Fred Lalley and with Chris Jenkins. Um,

0:39:07.480 --> 0:39:10.960
<v Speaker 1>there is a the dominant feature And Chris said this,

0:39:11.120 --> 0:39:14.520
<v Speaker 1>but when you understand the research projects, it's pretty interesting.

0:39:15.080 --> 0:39:19.240
<v Speaker 1>The dominant reason we're afraid of snakes is learned behavior

0:39:19.400 --> 0:39:24.080
<v Speaker 1>from parents, like a toddler is not afraid of a snake, like,

0:39:24.239 --> 0:39:28.560
<v Speaker 1>so it's there. There is some genetic coating like, for instance,

0:39:28.960 --> 0:39:34.920
<v Speaker 1>like chimpanzees do show slight fear, too long, slithery type shapes.

0:39:35.280 --> 0:39:37.840
<v Speaker 1>They did. They do a lot of stuff with chimpanzees

0:39:38.040 --> 0:39:41.400
<v Speaker 1>and primates in general to try to see and a

0:39:41.560 --> 0:39:44.239
<v Speaker 1>but like a toddler. That's why if a toddler sees

0:39:44.239 --> 0:39:45.920
<v Speaker 1>a snake on the ground, they might just walk over

0:39:45.960 --> 0:39:48.239
<v Speaker 1>and grab it. How do you explain the cats and

0:39:48.280 --> 0:39:57.160
<v Speaker 1>the cucumbers come again, I honestly probably has. The entire

0:39:58.320 --> 0:40:02.080
<v Speaker 1>half of the servers on this planet are full of

0:40:02.280 --> 0:40:07.399
<v Speaker 1>videos of cats and cucumber on the floor. Cucumber behind

0:40:07.400 --> 0:40:10.480
<v Speaker 1>the house. Cat was unaware. It turns around and sees it,

0:40:10.520 --> 0:40:13.080
<v Speaker 1>and it will shoot as much as you tarize your rooster.

0:40:13.239 --> 0:40:15.439
<v Speaker 1>I'm surprised you haven't laid a cucumber on a cat

0:40:15.520 --> 0:40:17.920
<v Speaker 1>before him and they think it's a snake, and they

0:40:18.040 --> 0:40:21.120
<v Speaker 1>jumped to heaven. You know they think it's a snake. Okay,

0:40:21.880 --> 0:40:28.160
<v Speaker 1>I made that part of the don't land bridge you

0:40:28.560 --> 0:40:33.640
<v Speaker 1>land bridge trap ship. I gotta tell one one story.

0:40:33.840 --> 0:40:39.040
<v Speaker 1>I one time one of my good friends was petrified

0:40:39.120 --> 0:40:41.400
<v Speaker 1>of snakes. It was when we were in high school,

0:40:41.440 --> 0:40:43.879
<v Speaker 1>and we knew he was just like I mean, he'd

0:40:43.880 --> 0:40:45.960
<v Speaker 1>like punch in the face, you know, kind of scared

0:40:46.040 --> 0:40:48.440
<v Speaker 1>if you messed with him with a snake. And we

0:40:48.560 --> 0:40:51.719
<v Speaker 1>were working together on a peach orchard and on the

0:40:51.800 --> 0:40:54.120
<v Speaker 1>way to the peach orchard, I saw a big black

0:40:54.239 --> 0:40:56.080
<v Speaker 1>rat snake on the road and I got out and

0:40:56.160 --> 0:40:58.520
<v Speaker 1>caught it, and it was just the perfect setup. I

0:40:58.560 --> 0:41:00.600
<v Speaker 1>had a new toolbox in the back of the truck,

0:41:00.680 --> 0:41:03.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, the kind of straddles over the back of

0:41:03.320 --> 0:41:05.560
<v Speaker 1>your bed, and it was brand new, and so I

0:41:05.640 --> 0:41:07.080
<v Speaker 1>was going to his house and it was the kind

0:41:07.080 --> 0:41:09.520
<v Speaker 1>of thing where I'd be like, Adam, I got a

0:41:10.000 --> 0:41:13.880
<v Speaker 1>brand new toolbox. I put that big snake in that toolbox.

0:41:14.440 --> 0:41:17.480
<v Speaker 1>Pull up to the peach orchard. He comes over and

0:41:17.600 --> 0:41:19.839
<v Speaker 1>it's just like so natural. I was just like, look

0:41:19.840 --> 0:41:23.160
<v Speaker 1>at my toolbox. I picked that up yesterday. And he

0:41:23.320 --> 0:41:24.840
<v Speaker 1>was like, oh man, he jumps in the back of

0:41:24.920 --> 0:41:27.160
<v Speaker 1>my truck. I probably got it. I was like, get

0:41:27.239 --> 0:41:29.719
<v Speaker 1>in there and I feel how that thing opens. And

0:41:29.840 --> 0:41:31.759
<v Speaker 1>he gets in there and opens it, and that snake

0:41:31.920 --> 0:41:34.359
<v Speaker 1>is there and he comes on glued. It was great.

0:41:35.760 --> 0:41:38.719
<v Speaker 1>He absolutely came out, Um, Dan, what do you think.

0:41:39.400 --> 0:41:43.880
<v Speaker 1>I could not believe fred. I just couldn't believe his story.

0:41:44.000 --> 0:41:45.560
<v Speaker 1>And when when he was one of the first things

0:41:45.560 --> 0:41:48.320
<v Speaker 1>he said was, well, I was ten years old and

0:41:48.440 --> 0:41:51.880
<v Speaker 1>I was forced feeding a pigmy rattles, and you were

0:41:51.880 --> 0:41:58.920
<v Speaker 1>sitting there like okay. I turned to get the other

0:41:59.080 --> 0:42:03.960
<v Speaker 1>leg and I was like, what in the world. It

0:42:04.040 --> 0:42:07.160
<v Speaker 1>was just his whole experience. And then another thing that

0:42:07.400 --> 0:42:11.840
<v Speaker 1>I've just found super fascinating was when he was describing

0:42:11.920 --> 0:42:14.680
<v Speaker 1>driving down to Florida and stopping at those bridges and

0:42:15.000 --> 0:42:18.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, some guy on the phone, I'm sorry new ones,

0:42:18.640 --> 0:42:20.839
<v Speaker 1>and hey, I could use some you know, I could

0:42:20.880 --> 0:42:23.920
<v Speaker 1>use some cotton mouse. And he was like, every other

0:42:23.960 --> 0:42:26.320
<v Speaker 1>bridge I could pick up six seven cotton mouse, and

0:42:26.400 --> 0:42:31.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, sorry what it was just nuts. But so

0:42:31.880 --> 0:42:34.279
<v Speaker 1>on the growing up on a farm, my grandpa would

0:42:34.480 --> 0:42:37.120
<v Speaker 1>regularly kill a copper head and bring it out and

0:42:37.160 --> 0:42:38.959
<v Speaker 1>show it to us, or we'd see a rat snake

0:42:39.040 --> 0:42:41.520
<v Speaker 1>or a big kings you know, king snake, and it's

0:42:41.560 --> 0:42:43.560
<v Speaker 1>like those are good snakes, those are bad snakes. And

0:42:43.680 --> 0:42:46.719
<v Speaker 1>so we just had we were interacting with snakes all

0:42:46.760 --> 0:42:49.720
<v Speaker 1>the time. It wasn't a big thing. But never once

0:42:49.880 --> 0:42:54.880
<v Speaker 1>would you catch now a grass snake or something like that.

0:42:55.000 --> 0:42:57.360
<v Speaker 1>We would catch and and have fun with, but you

0:42:57.400 --> 0:42:59.400
<v Speaker 1>knew the bad ones at cotton Mouth would see him

0:42:59.400 --> 0:43:01.120
<v Speaker 1>in the creek. It was like you get out the

0:43:01.200 --> 0:43:03.560
<v Speaker 1>creek when you see cotton Yeah, yeah, you know, I

0:43:03.640 --> 0:43:06.600
<v Speaker 1>don't like this swimming creeks. And there's there's certain there's

0:43:06.600 --> 0:43:10.399
<v Speaker 1>certain like characteristics that you know about certain snakes, like, oh,

0:43:10.600 --> 0:43:12.840
<v Speaker 1>the cotton moules are aggressive, they'll come after you. You know,

0:43:12.960 --> 0:43:15.960
<v Speaker 1>everybody has heard that. Anybody knows anything about cotton moles

0:43:16.000 --> 0:43:17.480
<v Speaker 1>if they will jump out of the water and bite

0:43:17.480 --> 0:43:21.320
<v Speaker 1>your eyes. You know, never seen one do that, No,

0:43:21.600 --> 0:43:25.279
<v Speaker 1>no one ever has. Yeah, so Fred Lally was kind

0:43:25.320 --> 0:43:28.439
<v Speaker 1>of a highlight. Yeah, it's really hearing his whole take

0:43:28.560 --> 0:43:32.839
<v Speaker 1>on everything. I did. It hour and forty five minute

0:43:32.840 --> 0:43:36.120
<v Speaker 1>interview with him. We talked for that long. I mean

0:43:36.440 --> 0:43:38.359
<v Speaker 1>there was so much that I had to take out.

0:43:38.800 --> 0:43:44.439
<v Speaker 1>Does they have like snak paraphernali and stuff around this house? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,

0:43:44.640 --> 0:43:47.600
<v Speaker 1>he still probably has snakes, doesn't he know? He doesn't

0:43:47.600 --> 0:43:50.560
<v Speaker 1>have snakes? Right? Why? I mean, he just kind of

0:43:51.080 --> 0:43:53.359
<v Speaker 1>just done with it. But he's got like he's got

0:43:54.239 --> 0:43:58.479
<v Speaker 1>are they dried? Well, he's got lots of taxidermy snakes. Yeah.

0:43:59.080 --> 0:44:02.080
<v Speaker 1>But he I told people on the render that I

0:44:02.160 --> 0:44:04.279
<v Speaker 1>was gonna tell what happened when he got bit by

0:44:04.600 --> 0:44:08.560
<v Speaker 1>banded Egyptian cobra. He he just kind of threw that

0:44:08.640 --> 0:44:11.680
<v Speaker 1>one on. Do you remember in the render on the podcast,

0:44:11.719 --> 0:44:14.560
<v Speaker 1>I said, I'll tell you what happened. It was pretty standard.

0:44:14.600 --> 0:44:19.080
<v Speaker 1>I mean he uh, he was feeding it and his snake.

0:44:19.520 --> 0:44:21.920
<v Speaker 1>There's a new snake. And that's what the problem was.

0:44:22.680 --> 0:44:26.480
<v Speaker 1>They had acquainted with each other. He never gotten the

0:44:26.520 --> 0:44:30.680
<v Speaker 1>flute out yet. If with a banded Egyptian and you

0:44:30.840 --> 0:44:33.680
<v Speaker 1>just knew you just bumped into him. Yeah, that's how

0:44:33.719 --> 0:44:40.000
<v Speaker 1>they get you. Well okay. And the other thing was

0:44:40.160 --> 0:44:42.239
<v Speaker 1>is that I'm pretty sure he told me there were

0:44:42.320 --> 0:44:45.960
<v Speaker 1>two of them in the same cage, so he was

0:44:46.440 --> 0:44:55.280
<v Speaker 1>he's he may have been. Yeah, Maliki's got a banded

0:44:55.360 --> 0:44:59.319
<v Speaker 1>Egyptian cobra pulled up. Hey, okays, when Mr when Mr

0:45:00.000 --> 0:45:01.840
<v Speaker 1>Fred was telling me this story, this is what I imagined.

0:45:02.000 --> 0:45:05.200
<v Speaker 1>Have you ever do you know the unbeatable trick where

0:45:05.239 --> 0:45:07.120
<v Speaker 1>you do like this to somebody and then you slap

0:45:07.200 --> 0:45:09.759
<v Speaker 1>him in the face. You wiggle your fingers up in

0:45:09.880 --> 0:45:11.839
<v Speaker 1>your right hand, and then when they look at your hand,

0:45:12.280 --> 0:45:14.040
<v Speaker 1>you slap him in the face with your left hand.

0:45:14.480 --> 0:45:16.560
<v Speaker 1>And then if they catch onto it and they go

0:45:16.680 --> 0:45:18.960
<v Speaker 1>to block because they know you're gonna come up with

0:45:19.000 --> 0:45:21.239
<v Speaker 1>the left, you hit him with the right. You can't

0:45:21.239 --> 0:45:22.879
<v Speaker 1>beat it. Try to just try to beat it. Brent

0:45:27.920 --> 0:45:30.800
<v Speaker 1>to Mr Fred with abandoned Egyptian Cobra's okay, he was

0:45:30.880 --> 0:45:33.719
<v Speaker 1>feeding one and this other one he just he said,

0:45:33.760 --> 0:45:36.640
<v Speaker 1>he just thought it was as I understood the story

0:45:36.680 --> 0:45:40.080
<v Speaker 1>to be told. He just thought because he was messing

0:45:40.160 --> 0:45:43.600
<v Speaker 1>with this one, that this one would be okay. And

0:45:43.640 --> 0:45:47.640
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you're talking about a guy that is just handled.

0:45:49.560 --> 0:45:52.920
<v Speaker 1>There was a time when he had he was this

0:45:53.080 --> 0:45:56.480
<v Speaker 1>is totally legal. This is in other states and other places.

0:45:58.080 --> 0:46:02.719
<v Speaker 1>Is full, It's totally legal. He had liked rattlesnakes one time,

0:46:06.120 --> 0:46:09.440
<v Speaker 1>by them by the ton, what are you kidding me?

0:46:10.400 --> 0:46:17.279
<v Speaker 1>Real normal, And there's a ton of rattlesnakes, and um,

0:46:18.560 --> 0:46:22.040
<v Speaker 1>that's actually how he got into snakes as he was

0:46:22.120 --> 0:46:26.640
<v Speaker 1>he was a rattlesnake dealer. Do you you don't get

0:46:26.760 --> 0:46:39.680
<v Speaker 1>into snakes. I'm just started, I've never no, no, he

0:46:40.600 --> 0:46:43.960
<v Speaker 1>started dealing in rattlesnakes, and I mean people eat rattlesnakes.

0:46:43.960 --> 0:46:47.720
<v Speaker 1>There's rattlesnake skin business for making boots, for making belts.

0:46:48.080 --> 0:46:50.880
<v Speaker 1>It's like totally legal. There's ways that they extract them.

0:46:51.080 --> 0:46:55.000
<v Speaker 1>It's like hunting seasons. And basically he was dealing in

0:46:55.200 --> 0:46:59.600
<v Speaker 1>rattlesnakes and he would keep the real cool ones. So

0:46:59.719 --> 0:47:05.239
<v Speaker 1>he get like he would he would keep the cool ones.

0:47:05.640 --> 0:47:08.200
<v Speaker 1>And he started realizing that people like to see the

0:47:08.320 --> 0:47:12.200
<v Speaker 1>neat rattlesnakes, like the two headed rattlesnakes. The white rattlesnakes

0:47:15.000 --> 0:47:17.040
<v Speaker 1>is a common thing. For a two headed snakes, It's

0:47:17.080 --> 0:47:20.480
<v Speaker 1>a very uncommon. And that's why he he would like

0:47:20.680 --> 0:47:24.680
<v Speaker 1>travel across the country to go buy two headed rattlesnakes. Yeah,

0:47:24.760 --> 0:47:32.640
<v Speaker 1>and he's had several. But so anyway, this cobra bad

0:47:32.760 --> 0:47:36.280
<v Speaker 1>him on the finger and hit him on the finger

0:47:37.120 --> 0:47:41.759
<v Speaker 1>and he goes to the hospital and like he always does, well,

0:47:41.800 --> 0:47:43.279
<v Speaker 1>he doesn't always go to the hospital, but when he

0:47:43.320 --> 0:47:46.120
<v Speaker 1>went to the hospital, he said, I would like to

0:47:46.200 --> 0:47:49.719
<v Speaker 1>come sit in your waiting room and just be I

0:47:49.880 --> 0:47:52.520
<v Speaker 1>just want so I'm not checking myself in, but I

0:47:52.560 --> 0:47:54.759
<v Speaker 1>want to let you guys know why I'm sitting in

0:47:54.880 --> 0:47:57.960
<v Speaker 1>your waiting room holding my hand. He said, I don't

0:47:58.000 --> 0:48:01.720
<v Speaker 1>want an venom. But yeah, yeah, they just have banded cobra.

0:48:01.880 --> 0:48:06.360
<v Speaker 1>Any venom laying around, well, I don't know. He so

0:48:06.480 --> 0:48:10.480
<v Speaker 1>he goes into the e er and they so he

0:48:10.560 --> 0:48:12.880
<v Speaker 1>basically says, I'm gonna deny the treatment, but I'd like

0:48:13.040 --> 0:48:16.480
<v Speaker 1>to stay here, and they tell him no, and so

0:48:16.680 --> 0:48:20.040
<v Speaker 1>he gets up and leaves and they call the police.

0:48:21.440 --> 0:48:25.160
<v Speaker 1>They called the police, and uh and he said the

0:48:25.320 --> 0:48:28.080
<v Speaker 1>police were looking for him in the town because like

0:48:28.600 --> 0:48:31.480
<v Speaker 1>as if he had done something like it was a

0:48:31.520 --> 0:48:37.239
<v Speaker 1>welfare concerns with that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

0:48:37.520 --> 0:48:40.120
<v Speaker 1>So anyway, that's how he got by a bandoned Egyptian cobra.

0:48:40.360 --> 0:48:43.520
<v Speaker 1>What what a story. Yeah, he's he's he's a very

0:48:43.640 --> 0:48:48.719
<v Speaker 1>nice guy, very very very knowledgeable just about he's fun

0:48:48.800 --> 0:48:51.279
<v Speaker 1>to talk to a lot of these people that you

0:48:51.400 --> 0:48:55.400
<v Speaker 1>meet somehow you met them on the road. That's like,

0:48:55.520 --> 0:48:59.719
<v Speaker 1>I'm how much time do you just spend wondering the streets? Uh?

0:48:59.840 --> 0:49:02.640
<v Speaker 1>You right, it's a good question. Yeah, Clay says he's

0:49:02.640 --> 0:49:04.680
<v Speaker 1>going for a run and where he was like, okay,

0:49:04.880 --> 0:49:08.920
<v Speaker 1>so here's some good stories tonight, see Brett, what was

0:49:08.960 --> 0:49:11.839
<v Speaker 1>your favorite part? I learned a lot of stuff in there.

0:49:12.040 --> 0:49:14.080
<v Speaker 1>Who would have thought a rattlesnake would live to be

0:49:14.160 --> 0:49:16.960
<v Speaker 1>fifty years old? Oh? Man? Yeah, didn't that make you

0:49:17.120 --> 0:49:18.880
<v Speaker 1>not want to kill that? I listened. I listened to

0:49:19.000 --> 0:49:21.800
<v Speaker 1>it probably three times. I've heard myself tell that story

0:49:21.840 --> 0:49:25.120
<v Speaker 1>a million times, but I could only listen to the

0:49:25.320 --> 0:49:28.640
<v Speaker 1>end once I got through that one time. That was

0:49:28.800 --> 0:49:32.120
<v Speaker 1>that was very that lady. It's something she is to

0:49:32.239 --> 0:49:36.799
<v Speaker 1>be applauded for being strong enough to tell that story.

0:49:36.800 --> 0:49:39.080
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if I could. Yeah, yeah, I was so.

0:49:39.239 --> 0:49:42.280
<v Speaker 1>I was so surprised that she was. I kept waiting

0:49:42.320 --> 0:49:45.080
<v Speaker 1>for that. I start to get better, the story to

0:49:45.120 --> 0:49:46.960
<v Speaker 1>get better, and it got worse the longer it win.

0:49:48.000 --> 0:49:50.280
<v Speaker 1>But I learned a lot of stuff from from listening

0:49:50.320 --> 0:49:52.480
<v Speaker 1>to Chris and I listened. You know, I've listened to

0:49:52.520 --> 0:49:56.000
<v Speaker 1>the snake talk before. Yeah, and uh, but uh, a

0:49:56.080 --> 0:50:00.560
<v Speaker 1>fifty year old snake? That is that's unreal. But you know,

0:50:00.680 --> 0:50:05.000
<v Speaker 1>I grew up catching snakes. You know that me getting

0:50:05.080 --> 0:50:11.120
<v Speaker 1>bit was that was probably easily over a hundred snakes

0:50:11.160 --> 0:50:13.640
<v Speaker 1>I'd ever caught, and nothing ever happened. And then one

0:50:13.719 --> 0:50:18.239
<v Speaker 1>time you know it, and the one time to me.

0:50:22.040 --> 0:50:24.120
<v Speaker 1>But I never, you know, I never. I was telling

0:50:24.880 --> 0:50:28.480
<v Speaker 1>somebody earlier that I don't. I don't never look for snakes.

0:50:29.160 --> 0:50:31.920
<v Speaker 1>When I worked in the woods before I got old

0:50:31.960 --> 0:50:33.920
<v Speaker 1>enough to be a police officer and and do go

0:50:34.120 --> 0:50:38.040
<v Speaker 1>that route. Um, I worked in the woods managing timber,

0:50:38.280 --> 0:50:43.000
<v Speaker 1>and you know, we'd find rattlesnakes. My friends, we find rattlesnakes,

0:50:43.080 --> 0:50:45.840
<v Speaker 1>but it was never you know, like riding up on

0:50:45.880 --> 0:50:48.640
<v Speaker 1>them on the Cowboy movie and they're cold up over there,

0:50:48.719 --> 0:50:51.000
<v Speaker 1>just waiting to strike somebody. Now, they were all stretched

0:50:51.040 --> 0:50:54.520
<v Speaker 1>out like what Chris was talking about. Except there was

0:50:54.640 --> 0:50:56.960
<v Speaker 1>one occasion. We were working in the woods painting some

0:50:57.120 --> 0:50:59.560
<v Speaker 1>land lines and there was a mound, a little mound

0:50:59.640 --> 0:51:03.520
<v Speaker 1>of dirt, probably thirty ft away from this line. It

0:51:03.640 --> 0:51:06.040
<v Speaker 1>was four of us, two of us that were chopping

0:51:06.040 --> 0:51:08.600
<v Speaker 1>the trees and two of us that were painting and

0:51:08.760 --> 0:51:13.640
<v Speaker 1>marking the different um or the border between two property owners.

0:51:14.160 --> 0:51:16.920
<v Speaker 1>And there was a rousnake over there that was striking

0:51:17.000 --> 0:51:19.080
<v Speaker 1>it every time that we would move, and he was,

0:51:19.200 --> 0:51:21.600
<v Speaker 1>like I said, or thirty ft away. It was the

0:51:21.840 --> 0:51:25.400
<v Speaker 1>most aggressive thing I've ever seen striking When you were

0:51:25.440 --> 0:51:30.799
<v Speaker 1>thirty ft away. Absolutely was the he was something man.

0:51:30.920 --> 0:51:34.000
<v Speaker 1>It was, it was, and he was big. It was

0:51:34.040 --> 0:51:39.400
<v Speaker 1>a big ratutlesnake. Biggs and I were seen was probably

0:51:39.520 --> 0:51:43.600
<v Speaker 1>almost six ft. You ever seen the diamondback in Arkansas?

0:51:43.760 --> 0:51:46.239
<v Speaker 1>I have not known. H Okay, I got jet so

0:51:46.440 --> 0:51:52.040
<v Speaker 1>James Lawrence, Um, James Lawrence one time on I want

0:51:52.080 --> 0:52:00.120
<v Speaker 1>to say November in the sixties killed a six I'm

0:52:00.120 --> 0:52:02.920
<v Speaker 1>gonna say it was five ft plus, but I'm pretty

0:52:02.920 --> 0:52:06.960
<v Speaker 1>sure he says it was six ft diamondback rattlesnake uh

0:52:07.040 --> 0:52:12.400
<v Speaker 1>in Arkansas, which is rare. Look at that. That's a dandy.

0:52:14.080 --> 0:52:15.800
<v Speaker 1>That's a dandy. Brent shown me a picture of a

0:52:15.840 --> 0:52:20.919
<v Speaker 1>big old rattlesnake timp. So I've never seen a diving

0:52:20.960 --> 0:52:24.400
<v Speaker 1>back rattlesnake in Arkansas, but there's reports of them, and

0:52:24.520 --> 0:52:27.600
<v Speaker 1>I often if you tell me you've seen a divonback

0:52:27.800 --> 0:52:32.759
<v Speaker 1>rattlesnake in Arkansas, be be prepared to feel my my

0:52:34.920 --> 0:52:37.880
<v Speaker 1>feel the dozer dozer, because I'll be like, you know

0:52:38.080 --> 0:52:40.400
<v Speaker 1>you didn't So James Lawrence told me this. And for

0:52:40.440 --> 0:52:42.520
<v Speaker 1>those of you who wouldn't, you know, James Lawrence is

0:52:42.600 --> 0:52:45.360
<v Speaker 1>one of my heroes. I mean, I believed him. But

0:52:45.840 --> 0:52:47.600
<v Speaker 1>he just told me that one day and I was

0:52:47.680 --> 0:52:50.480
<v Speaker 1>just kind of okay, We're looking through a photo album

0:52:50.719 --> 0:52:53.120
<v Speaker 1>two months ago, and I'll be dad gum, there's a

0:52:53.840 --> 0:52:56.960
<v Speaker 1>six ft diamondback rattlesnake laid across the hood of like

0:52:57.120 --> 0:53:02.400
<v Speaker 1>his you know, nineteen sixty five bronch, you know, sure enough.

0:53:02.440 --> 0:53:05.640
<v Speaker 1>But the cool thing was is that he maybe not cool.

0:53:05.680 --> 0:53:09.560
<v Speaker 1>The unique thing was that he killed it on late November.

0:53:09.840 --> 0:53:11.640
<v Speaker 1>He said it was there was a frost on the

0:53:11.719 --> 0:53:14.080
<v Speaker 1>ground and he set on the ground deer hunting and

0:53:14.160 --> 0:53:16.799
<v Speaker 1>the thing was coiled up, I mean within he could

0:53:16.800 --> 0:53:19.520
<v Speaker 1>have reached out and touched it, setting on a rock

0:53:19.680 --> 0:53:21.239
<v Speaker 1>sun and he said there was like a beam of

0:53:21.360 --> 0:53:25.480
<v Speaker 1>sun coming hit in this rock. And anyway, he killed it. Uh,

0:53:25.760 --> 0:53:27.160
<v Speaker 1>kind of about it. The first time I ever saw

0:53:27.239 --> 0:53:30.799
<v Speaker 1>someone handle of enomous snake was Mr Clay Nicol. Oh

0:53:30.960 --> 0:53:34.319
<v Speaker 1>really yeah, Oh, driving driving out and seeing a big,

0:53:34.520 --> 0:53:37.640
<v Speaker 1>big old copper head going across the road and I

0:53:37.719 --> 0:53:44.040
<v Speaker 1>remember lying locking up the charging out of the jeep

0:53:44.120 --> 0:53:46.600
<v Speaker 1>and grabbing the stick and pinning its head down and

0:53:46.680 --> 0:53:49.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, what are you doing? He's like, I want

0:53:49.080 --> 0:53:52.319
<v Speaker 1>to check the snake out, man, And yeah. Yeah, that's

0:53:52.360 --> 0:53:54.880
<v Speaker 1>how at all starts. The next time. You know, he

0:53:54.920 --> 0:53:56.919
<v Speaker 1>looks like you got a baseball mid on your left hand.

0:53:58.800 --> 0:54:00.640
<v Speaker 1>You know. My family, that was the one thing that

0:54:00.719 --> 0:54:05.440
<v Speaker 1>gave them pause about me about that was it, can

0:54:05.480 --> 0:54:09.359
<v Speaker 1>you believe that they really like to play a bare

0:54:09.400 --> 0:54:14.000
<v Speaker 1>handed snake snatcher down where I came from. I mean,

0:54:14.520 --> 0:54:17.759
<v Speaker 1>I'm serious, I thought they. I thought you're gonna say

0:54:17.760 --> 0:54:22.399
<v Speaker 1>that once once my pastor from the pulpit called me out.

0:54:22.600 --> 0:54:24.840
<v Speaker 1>I mean, like not, he wasn't giving me in trouble.

0:54:25.040 --> 0:54:28.960
<v Speaker 1>He was he wasn't. He wasn't. I wasn't in trouble.

0:54:29.080 --> 0:54:31.680
<v Speaker 1>He just was in his sermon and he said, there's

0:54:31.719 --> 0:54:34.480
<v Speaker 1>some people in this church that like the catch snakes

0:54:34.520 --> 0:54:38.600
<v Speaker 1>with their hands. And everybody looked at me. Did they

0:54:38.640 --> 0:54:52.239
<v Speaker 1>call you Tatana Boa on the phone two ft loud?

0:54:53.880 --> 0:54:55.879
<v Speaker 1>There's not too many snakes that could eat a person.

0:54:56.040 --> 0:54:59.320
<v Speaker 1>Well there was. I was like, that's the podcast I

0:54:59.360 --> 0:55:09.920
<v Speaker 1>want to hear. Wait, I'm going Malika is like our

0:55:09.960 --> 0:55:12.600
<v Speaker 1>fact checker. Malik. I was sitting over there, like wondering

0:55:12.640 --> 0:55:16.680
<v Speaker 1>if anything we've said. He's like, I'm from Texas. I

0:55:16.760 --> 0:55:20.200
<v Speaker 1>don't believe this. I find out when that thing was

0:55:20.239 --> 0:55:27.560
<v Speaker 1>a lot like the the last one Arkansas and County

0:55:28.960 --> 0:55:32.759
<v Speaker 1>to sixty million years ago. Oh wow, came over on

0:55:32.800 --> 0:55:38.520
<v Speaker 1>the land bridge. It was it had a tail on

0:55:39.040 --> 0:55:44.480
<v Speaker 1>camp chat his head in Alaska. Um, let's see, Missy,

0:55:45.600 --> 0:55:48.480
<v Speaker 1>what was your general impression of the podcast? I thought

0:55:48.520 --> 0:55:50.040
<v Speaker 1>it was good. I wasn't really sure how you were

0:55:50.040 --> 0:55:52.520
<v Speaker 1>going to pull off a snake podcast and make it

0:55:52.920 --> 0:55:59.440
<v Speaker 1>interesting and and you know, meaningful. I really wasn't sure

0:55:59.440 --> 0:56:00.800
<v Speaker 1>how interest think it would be to me, But I

0:56:00.840 --> 0:56:03.719
<v Speaker 1>thought it was interesting. I thought, um, like everybody said,

0:56:03.840 --> 0:56:07.000
<v Speaker 1>the lady story at the end had a human component. Dude,

0:56:07.040 --> 0:56:11.160
<v Speaker 1>that was almost that was tough to handle, but really

0:56:11.239 --> 0:56:14.239
<v Speaker 1>admirable in terms of how she how she handled it.

0:56:14.320 --> 0:56:17.200
<v Speaker 1>And in that sense, I thought it was really really valuable.

0:56:17.239 --> 0:56:19.600
<v Speaker 1>And and I'm kind of like Maliki. I was interested

0:56:19.640 --> 0:56:24.239
<v Speaker 1>in them the human elements of it. But also I

0:56:24.280 --> 0:56:26.040
<v Speaker 1>thought it was interesting when he went through the list

0:56:26.120 --> 0:56:29.560
<v Speaker 1>of things not to do with snakes. Yeah, with snake bites,

0:56:30.040 --> 0:56:36.760
<v Speaker 1>I for sure would have died. Yeah, cutting and sing

0:56:40.680 --> 0:56:42.840
<v Speaker 1>when I got bit Like when I got to the

0:56:42.880 --> 0:56:46.320
<v Speaker 1>emergency room, the doctor, my family doctor happened to be

0:56:46.440 --> 0:56:49.360
<v Speaker 1>there and we had they we had stopped a deputy

0:56:49.400 --> 0:56:51.400
<v Speaker 1>sheriff and informed on what was going on, you know,

0:56:51.560 --> 0:56:53.960
<v Speaker 1>and to call the hospital and let him know we

0:56:54.080 --> 0:56:55.719
<v Speaker 1>were coming. So when we got there, it's just like

0:56:55.880 --> 0:56:58.799
<v Speaker 1>Chris was saying, you know, call ahead. We got there,

0:56:58.840 --> 0:57:00.759
<v Speaker 1>they were standing at the door waite first at the

0:57:01.080 --> 0:57:03.319
<v Speaker 1>r and my family doctor was there and he said,

0:57:03.360 --> 0:57:06.360
<v Speaker 1>are you allergic to anything? So I can't think anything

0:57:06.400 --> 0:57:09.200
<v Speaker 1>you're allergic to? I said, I'm not allergic to anything

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<v Speaker 1>that I knew of. So they gave me that that

0:57:11.440 --> 0:57:14.239
<v Speaker 1>any venom. But the first thing that he did was

0:57:14.320 --> 0:57:16.320
<v Speaker 1>he put my hand in a bag of as for

0:57:16.320 --> 0:57:18.880
<v Speaker 1>about fifteen minutes. Then he pulled it out and took

0:57:18.960 --> 0:57:22.120
<v Speaker 1>a scalpel like John Wayne, and that's the that's the

0:57:22.160 --> 0:57:25.080
<v Speaker 1>scar that you see on my phone. He cut an

0:57:25.360 --> 0:57:28.320
<v Speaker 1>X on there and squeezed my hand like he was

0:57:28.440 --> 0:57:32.919
<v Speaker 1>milking a cow really and pushing blood and venom out. Yeah,

0:57:33.400 --> 0:57:35.240
<v Speaker 1>that's the first thing. Because so what do you think?

0:57:35.280 --> 0:57:39.400
<v Speaker 1>Do you think that was like not good medical practice?

0:57:39.480 --> 0:57:43.840
<v Speaker 1>But for nineteen seven, that was I he went to

0:57:43.880 --> 0:57:47.080
<v Speaker 1>medical school. I I can only attribute that I'm got

0:57:47.160 --> 0:57:50.360
<v Speaker 1>my thumb today and it's working by what he did,

0:57:51.080 --> 0:57:53.520
<v Speaker 1>because he got the swelling guy. He got me with

0:57:53.680 --> 0:57:57.280
<v Speaker 1>one thing and my hand got so big that they

0:57:57.360 --> 0:58:00.680
<v Speaker 1>thought they would have to cook cut and uh, I

0:58:00.760 --> 0:58:03.040
<v Speaker 1>can't hear what you call that, but they make cuts

0:58:03.080 --> 0:58:05.000
<v Speaker 1>in the top of it to relieve the pressure because

0:58:05.000 --> 0:58:07.400
<v Speaker 1>they thought the skin was gonna tear open, and that

0:58:07.440 --> 0:58:10.120
<v Speaker 1>would have caused you know, a lot of data. But

0:58:10.720 --> 0:58:13.280
<v Speaker 1>if they said, you know, we're giving it thirty more minutes,

0:58:13.320 --> 0:58:15.360
<v Speaker 1>it's got to start going down or we're gonna do that.

0:58:15.720 --> 0:58:19.360
<v Speaker 1>And this was over like six hours, and then it

0:58:19.520 --> 0:58:21.360
<v Speaker 1>but it started going back down and he went all

0:58:21.360 --> 0:58:25.920
<v Speaker 1>the way up to my bicep. You know, I'll tell

0:58:25.960 --> 0:58:31.200
<v Speaker 1>you when I stopped catching snakes was when I got

0:58:31.280 --> 0:58:35.160
<v Speaker 1>a family and hardly had a lick of health insurance,

0:58:35.240 --> 0:58:39.160
<v Speaker 1>if none, there were large spans of our life when

0:58:39.200 --> 0:58:42.720
<v Speaker 1>we had none. Not because we chose that, but because

0:58:43.360 --> 0:58:45.840
<v Speaker 1>and I remember when I had my kids, really I

0:58:45.960 --> 0:58:48.840
<v Speaker 1>caught snakes. The kids have seen me catch quite a few,

0:58:49.040 --> 0:58:51.120
<v Speaker 1>been in the snakes. But at one point I was like,

0:58:51.280 --> 0:58:53.760
<v Speaker 1>you know what, this may not be the smartest thing

0:58:53.840 --> 0:58:56.640
<v Speaker 1>for you to be doing, because I thought I'm gonna

0:58:56.680 --> 0:58:59.800
<v Speaker 1>get bit by a snake messing around with it and

0:59:00.480 --> 0:59:02.560
<v Speaker 1>not going to be able to work because you know,

0:59:03.120 --> 0:59:09.160
<v Speaker 1>back when I was working, before I was playing music professional,

0:59:12.000 --> 0:59:16.840
<v Speaker 1>two doses of any venom cost three dollars, so I

0:59:16.880 --> 0:59:21.520
<v Speaker 1>would be interested to know what it what it costed. Hey,

0:59:22.240 --> 0:59:25.800
<v Speaker 1>so I list somebody Isaac Neil, my friend Isaac Neil, Missouri,

0:59:25.840 --> 0:59:30.720
<v Speaker 1>the photographer. Um, he sent me podcast. And don't be

0:59:30.840 --> 0:59:33.720
<v Speaker 1>tempted to send me a podcast. But I did listen

0:59:33.800 --> 0:59:36.880
<v Speaker 1>to the podcast Isaac sent me, Um, just because I

0:59:36.960 --> 0:59:38.840
<v Speaker 1>had a long road trip and it was about ana

0:59:38.920 --> 0:59:42.120
<v Speaker 1>venoms And do you all know how anta venom is made?

0:59:42.760 --> 0:59:46.200
<v Speaker 1>This horse? Sam is Well, see, I would I could

0:59:46.240 --> 0:59:48.120
<v Speaker 1>have repeated that, but I really wouldn't have known what

0:59:48.240 --> 0:59:51.400
<v Speaker 1>that meant. Okay, So the way they make ana venom

0:59:51.760 --> 0:59:55.200
<v Speaker 1>is that there is a place here in the United States. Um,

0:59:56.200 --> 0:59:59.360
<v Speaker 1>they have a hundred and fifty horses, and they have

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<v Speaker 1>all the possible venomous snakes that people in the areas

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<v Speaker 1>they're servicing could could be bit by. Okay, and let's

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<v Speaker 1>say it's not even the United States. I mean there's

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<v Speaker 1>there's probably well that's I got questions about that. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, because but basically they take actual snakes, get

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<v Speaker 1>venom from the snakes. Like a specific snake of rattlesnake

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<v Speaker 1>copper head, and then they inject small doses into a

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<v Speaker 1>horse and it actually makes them swell up and get

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit sick. And then they do that for

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<v Speaker 1>three weeks and then they extract like so much blood

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<v Speaker 1>out of that horse and you know X, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>one horse can produce x numbers of doses of ana

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<v Speaker 1>venom and it's not very much. I mean, it's like

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen doses of ana venom for like, you know, like

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<v Speaker 1>this session with his horse, you know, and so and

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<v Speaker 1>basically when you and they treat it in some of

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<v Speaker 1>the way, it's not like a blood transfusion. They do

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<v Speaker 1>one more thing to it, or maybe a lot more,

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<v Speaker 1>but basically it is horse blood and and it has

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<v Speaker 1>built an antibody too small amounts of that venom, and

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<v Speaker 1>a horse's blood is enough like human blood that it

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of goes in. It's like, hey, we're on

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<v Speaker 1>the same team. We both got hair and feed our

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<v Speaker 1>baby's milk, and so they it and and basically that

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<v Speaker 1>is antivenom. And the point of this podcast that I

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<v Speaker 1>listened to that Isaac Neil sent me was that it's

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<v Speaker 1>we've been doing that process for like over a hundred years,

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<v Speaker 1>like the medical technology basically has increased, so now they're

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<v Speaker 1>doing studies on chemical anti venoms. And it was pretty,

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<v Speaker 1>it was pretty The podcast was Okay, uh you can,

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<v Speaker 1>you could. I'm not gonna say the name of no Um,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was true that basically snake venom is is

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<v Speaker 1>truly and they said it a nefarious chemical compound that

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<v Speaker 1>has lots and lots of wild things that go into

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<v Speaker 1>your body that makes I mean, it has like real

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<v Speaker 1>strategic things, like there's a part of it it's designed

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<v Speaker 1>to shut down your brain. There's a part of it

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<v Speaker 1>that's designed to shut down your muscles. There's a part

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<v Speaker 1>of it that's designed to, you know, make your feet

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<v Speaker 1>turn backwards, so so when you think you're going forward,

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<v Speaker 1>you're going backwards. That's a joke that didn't happen. But

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<v Speaker 1>like basically, one one snake, misty like that um, one

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<v Speaker 1>type of snake might have many things that that venom does,

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<v Speaker 1>and so you have to if you're making a chemical,

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<v Speaker 1>you have to find a solution for each one of

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<v Speaker 1>those problems. You see, So it's super complex. Backwards feet, yes, no,

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<v Speaker 1>but what so with the to venom with a horse,

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<v Speaker 1>like the horse did all the work typical western humans.

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<v Speaker 1>How much it costs three worth now? Is seven hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and seventy seven and seven? Is that what venom costs now? Inflation?

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<v Speaker 1>Just inflation. I'm curious what what it would cost. I

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<v Speaker 1>bet it's beyond that six grand. The other thing that

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<v Speaker 1>what I didn't talk about too much, well, I did

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<v Speaker 1>talk about it. Misty said that, you know, how are

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<v Speaker 1>we going to make a podcast that was like interesting

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<v Speaker 1>about snakes and stuff? Man? Snakes. I said it in

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<v Speaker 1>the podcast at the beginning. Snakes are a incredible and

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<v Speaker 1>unique component that is a cog in the wheel of

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<v Speaker 1>the human experience. And I mean it's just true. They

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<v Speaker 1>they I mean you think of all these other animals,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, a snake just it just plays this part.

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<v Speaker 1>And I every time all these podcasts that it might

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<v Speaker 1>feel like they're like really scripted. I didn't write that

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<v Speaker 1>conclusion until the end, like till like twenty minutes before

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<v Speaker 1>I was done with a podcast, because I really was like,

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<v Speaker 1>what did I learn from this? And I thought about

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<v Speaker 1>Genesis chapter one, and I thought about the serpent deceiving

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<v Speaker 1>the woman and that ultimately ended up being a pathway.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a redemptive side to that, because you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>I do believe the Bible. It taught us to learn

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<v Speaker 1>to obey God. I mean, God said don't eat the fruit.

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<v Speaker 1>Snake says eat the fruit. It's okay, just eat the fruit. Man.

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<v Speaker 1>Every mother except from Alchi's mom, she's still good. She

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<v Speaker 1>was warning about other stuff, so it didn't have to

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<v Speaker 1>be a snake, but not really like jujue warning. It's

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<v Speaker 1>like taught me to pay attention, and that warning was

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<v Speaker 1>easy for me to go. She's right. If she said, Clay,

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<v Speaker 1>don't you pick up that basketball? Don't pick I mean

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<v Speaker 1>that would be kind of like a hard thing to be, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>come on, I can pick up the basketball. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>that big a deal. She tells me not to touch

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<v Speaker 1>that snake, and I get over there and I feel

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<v Speaker 1>a little chill come up my spine. I see that

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<v Speaker 1>sucker strike. I'm like, she is a smart woman. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm it's nuanced, but I think it's deep and I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's real. Is that the negative things are very

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<v Speaker 1>strategically placed in our life for a purpose. And so

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<v Speaker 1>there's two components. There's two like there's this metaphorical snake

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<v Speaker 1>I'm talking about now of like how the challenging things,

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<v Speaker 1>the things that can kill us, actually become key identifiers

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<v Speaker 1>for the positive side of who we are. So you

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't look at Clay and be like, Clay is who

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<v Speaker 1>he is because of snakes his mother. But I am

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<v Speaker 1>who I am because I learned to obey my mom,

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<v Speaker 1>I obeyed my dad. I mean, like much of my

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<v Speaker 1>life was shaped by these people, and I find that

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<v Speaker 1>to be true in a lot of life. But sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>people become defined by the negative things. So you know,

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<v Speaker 1>that's like the whole like metaphorical side of of this snake.

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<v Speaker 1>If we're looking at this snake is as something bigger

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<v Speaker 1>than an actual reptile, but when we're talking about an

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<v Speaker 1>actual reptile, I love snakes and so on the conservation

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<v Speaker 1>side of what I was trying to do was just

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<v Speaker 1>continue to tell people like you don't have to kill

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<v Speaker 1>every snake you see. Um, you know, the only snake

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<v Speaker 1>I would kill, and I'll just be honest, is that

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<v Speaker 1>if there was a big rattlesnake in my yard, like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm actually I wouldn't kill him. I'd catch him and

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<v Speaker 1>take him some where. I take him out in the mountains.

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<v Speaker 1>If you know the right snake in the right place,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I would kill in my yard. That's it.

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<v Speaker 1>That's it. You had a big one in your yard

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<v Speaker 1>in town, didn't you. Two years ago? Bent reeves he

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<v Speaker 1>sleeps with the fishes, didn't make b lives in kind

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<v Speaker 1>of a subdivision type area. I live right at the

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<v Speaker 1>beginning of subdivision. Right across from where I live is

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<v Speaker 1>three or four acres of woods and a big hay field,

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<v Speaker 1>and they've been cutting hay out there. This was in

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<v Speaker 1>September because we were we were baiting. We were baiting

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<v Speaker 1>bears then and uh I had come in and a

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<v Speaker 1>neighbor comes up, knocks on the door, say, hey man,

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<v Speaker 1>you got a gun. I'm like, do I need one.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, we got a big, big snake. Yeah, he says,

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<v Speaker 1>we gets a big rattlesnake out in yard. And I'm thinking, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>there's not a rattlesnake out in my yard, not where

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<v Speaker 1>I live. And I go I side and he wasn't kidding.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a huge raft snake in my yard. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll and at that time Bailey was six, little girl

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<v Speaker 1>was six, So you know, across the road he's good

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<v Speaker 1>to go. He can't. He can't live in my yard.

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<v Speaker 1>So that was the end of him. And a matter

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<v Speaker 1>of I talked to Chris Jenkins about that, and Chris said, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you probably didn't error too far there. Yeah, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>there's a place for that, but in general, and I

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<v Speaker 1>know you, if you were out in the mountains, you

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't kill a snake. I mean, so I hate rats

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<v Speaker 1>too much to kill a snake. It's true, It's true.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that's that is My identifier with a snake is

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<v Speaker 1>that he's going to get rid of the rat problem. Rats.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't do rats, don't do rats. Same same. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>before you close off, I've got a snake story about

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<v Speaker 1>you getting bit and I'm gonna tell it right now,

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<v Speaker 1>so you can cut it out if you want. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a shepherd when he's a little boy. Had Clay

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<v Speaker 1>got bit my snake? Not And it wasn't like a

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<v Speaker 1>a bad wasn't a venomous snake. Yeah, And it didn't

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<v Speaker 1>make the podcast. But Clay once got bit by snake,

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<v Speaker 1>which bit by lots of snakes, just not venomous from one,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, So he got bit by a snake and

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<v Speaker 1>Shepherd was real, real interested in that. That that really

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<v Speaker 1>caught his attention, and he would tell people made my

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<v Speaker 1>finger bleed. Yeah, it made his finger bleed, and Shepherd

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to tell everyone he saw about it. Shepherd also

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<v Speaker 1>had a speech impediment at that age, and so he

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<v Speaker 1>would run around and say, my daddy got bitten the

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<v Speaker 1>dinger by snake, says Inger. We carried him around a

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<v Speaker 1>little had a little cut on my bomb where this

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<v Speaker 1>big black rat snake bit me on thumb. And we

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<v Speaker 1>would takes Shepherd around and we would say tell them.

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<v Speaker 1>Misty would say, tell them what happened to your daddy,

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<v Speaker 1>And he would say, he said, my daddy got bit

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<v Speaker 1>right on the dinger. He sna my daddy's ginger finger finger. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I will tell one more snake story my Once, when

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<v Speaker 1>I was in high school, I was driving my brother's

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<v Speaker 1>Missubishi Eclipse, which at the time was like a really

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<v Speaker 1>sweet like black tinted windows, like a like a multidisc

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<v Speaker 1>CD changer. He was like cool, Sky knew I was

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<v Speaker 1>never that cool. I drove like beat up trucks and stuff. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>he let me drive his Missubishi Eclipse. I was coming

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<v Speaker 1>home and I saw a big copper head that had

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<v Speaker 1>been hit right on the tip of his tail on

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<v Speaker 1>the road. And I mean the snake was like fully alive,

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<v Speaker 1>but he had been hit. And so I it was dark,

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<v Speaker 1>slammed on the brakes, I was by myself, got out,

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<v Speaker 1>caught the snake, but I had to drive home, and

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<v Speaker 1>it was a standard stick shift. I got the snake

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<v Speaker 1>in one hand. I gotta drive with a stick shift

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<v Speaker 1>and the standard And also I didn't have anything to

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<v Speaker 1>put the snake in, but I wanted to bring it home.

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<v Speaker 1>Show Gary nukelem and uh because it was a big one.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh, so I just I decided that I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>want it in the car with me because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if it got loose in the dark while I was

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<v Speaker 1>driving in my lap, that could be a problem. So

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<v Speaker 1>I drove with that copper head hanging out the window,

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<v Speaker 1>and I drove with one hand and I would shift.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you just grab a gear real quick and

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<v Speaker 1>put your hand back on the wheel. Shift, grab a gear,

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<v Speaker 1>put your hand on the wheel. The snake is flapping

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<v Speaker 1>out the window. I drove all the way home with

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<v Speaker 1>that snake flapping out the window. Get home, take the

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<v Speaker 1>you know, show Gary we got a picture of I

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<v Speaker 1>got a picture of that snake, me holding that snake,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh it got snake blood on the side of

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<v Speaker 1>the car. And that snake blood ever came out. It

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<v Speaker 1>was as if you had put like lacquer thinner on

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<v Speaker 1>the car. And Zach Nukelem was upset with me for time. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he was. That was black Mitsubishi Eclipse exactly and it

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<v Speaker 1>forever had this like cloudy section of paint where that

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<v Speaker 1>snake blood did something to the paint. Well, we're going

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<v Speaker 1>fly fishing this weekend, me and Zach, so I'll bring

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<v Speaker 1>that back up, so ask him about it. Hey, last thing,

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<v Speaker 1>listen to Brent Reeve's podcast, Nightlife Nation podcast if you're

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<v Speaker 1>interested in coon hunting hearing some good stories. Brent has

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<v Speaker 1>a cool podcast. Yeah man, Two other guys, Steve Fielder

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<v Speaker 1>and Nick get a lamb yep. Check out their podcast

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<v Speaker 1>and uh man, thanks guys. It's a lot of fun. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>Keep the wild places wild because that's where the rattlesnakes

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<v Speaker 1>live and the bears live. Have you ever thought about

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<v Speaker 1>a bear getting bit by a rattlesnake? Has that ever

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<v Speaker 1>entered your mind? My brother's got a squirrel dog hates him.

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<v Speaker 1>He got bit three times in four days the spring.

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<v Speaker 1>His head looked like he'd been six rounds with Mike Tyson.

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<v Speaker 1>And if he can find one now he's gonna try

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<v Speaker 1>to kill it. Cannot keep him off of him Mountain Curve.

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<v Speaker 1>They should name him Captain. Captain, Captain,