Speaker 1: Yeah. My name is Clay Nukeleman. This is a production
Speaker 1: of the bear Grease podcast called The bear Grease Render,
Speaker 1: where we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the
Speaker 1: scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast, presented by f
Speaker 1: HF Gear, American made purpose built hunting and fishing gear
Speaker 1: that's designed to be as rugged as the places we explore.
Speaker 1: It's pretty My poor pigs, My poor pigs. Forget your pigs.
Speaker 1: I don't have a c in my truck. Do you
Speaker 1: really know you don't have doors on your doors? Welcome
Speaker 1: to the bar Grease Surrender. Really, welcome to the Burger Surrender. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Dan Rupe doesn't have doors on this truck. Doors. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It's really hot here in Arkansas, over a hundred hundred
Speaker 1: degrees today, That's what I hear. Hey, did you guys
Speaker 1: know speaking of air conditioning, no doors on the truck.
Speaker 1: Did you boys know that I've been driving a D
Speaker 1: five caterpillar dozer for the last two days. I've spent
Speaker 1: like ten hours one day, two hours one day, eight
Speaker 1: hours to the store and back. It's like an everyday
Speaker 1: driver for me. Now, yes, drive it into town. Did
Speaker 1: y'all see did y'all know that I was doing that. Man,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what you appreciation. This outdoor media stuff
Speaker 1: does not work out. I know exactly what I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be doing with my life. Like bulldoz are driver. Yeah
Speaker 1: we uh it's a little hard on the intestines though
Speaker 1: not not this one. Man. Air conditioning so cold it
Speaker 1: would absolutely freeze you out. Very comfortable seat. Yeah, this
Speaker 1: is like a really nice posure. Uh. And my dad's
Speaker 1: friend is the one who let us use it, like
Speaker 1: just like let us you know, I guess man, yeah,
Speaker 1: and so man. So over where we're doing this work
Speaker 1: in the it's actually in the wash Tols. Wink wink, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm getting a wink from the land bridge for those
Speaker 1: of us, for those for those people who aren't from
Speaker 1: this part of the world. Like it's super thick regrowth
Speaker 1: on this property, very thick, Like you couldn't shoot a
Speaker 1: bow twenty yards in most places. And the topography is
Speaker 1: up and down, you know, there's a big drawl that
Speaker 1: comes through our property and some hills and valleys anyway,
Speaker 1: but it's so thick there's no view. I deeply value
Speaker 1: views like and basically, long story short, I'm not gonna
Speaker 1: get in all the details. Me and Dad are building
Speaker 1: a cabin. Me and Dad are building a cabin over
Speaker 1: there at some point, and Dad wanted the cabin down
Speaker 1: on the creek, okay, which is not much of a creek.
Speaker 1: It's a small creek. Dry, it didn't even I wanted
Speaker 1: the cabin up on top of the ridge. But to
Speaker 1: do that, we had to build a pretty long road,
Speaker 1: about a quarter mile probably road. And I wanted a view,
Speaker 1: and I did not know how good the view was
Speaker 1: going to be until I borrowed a Cat five. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that would be awesome, give caterpillar. I jumped in that thing.
Speaker 1: And now I have driven big equipment for I'm good
Speaker 1: on the track ho and a back hoe, and I've
Speaker 1: never driven a doze and man, I got I picked
Speaker 1: it up quick, and I'm like a professional does are operator? Now?
Speaker 1: And we cleared about probably close to an acre of
Speaker 1: stuff so thick you couldn't walk through it. And that
Speaker 1: doz are will knock flatten, knock over a tree that's
Speaker 1: about fourteen fifteen inches in diameter, just drive over it.
Speaker 1: I mean we I was pushing over pine trees that
Speaker 1: you could have built a dose. Are operators out there
Speaker 1: saying you shouldn't be doing that, they're saying, it's probably
Speaker 1: they're pushing over big Anyway, that was a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: But what I appreciate about that story is how brazen
Speaker 1: you are congratulating yourself for being a fantastic bulldozer driving.
Speaker 1: If I mean exactly. It's just a ton of fun
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm steps ahead of everyone. Here we go again, share,
Speaker 1: share knowledge and whizz. I don't know we can this man,
Speaker 1: I said to say. That is why Gary Nucomb is
Speaker 1: not here to say, because we've been working over there
Speaker 1: and he had to go back down there today for
Speaker 1: some other stuff that was going on. So Gary Nucomb
Speaker 1: is not here. So now I would get into introductions,
Speaker 1: I won't. I won't tell who this voice is. That
Speaker 1: is right, Brent Man. Brent home Run appearance on The
Speaker 1: Bar Gerys podcast this week. What do you think we're
Speaker 1: here about? Brands? Say hi to everybody? Hello everybody? Yeah right,
Speaker 1: Daniel Rupe, Dr d Rupe, good to see you man,
Speaker 1: good to be here. The land Bridge Josh Spillmaker still
Speaker 1: that straight up shout out on the bar. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: didn't like coach him to say that, did you know? Yeah,
Speaker 1: the actual land Bridge does come up in conversation with
Speaker 1: a lot of people I run with, and they're not
Speaker 1: talking about pretty pretty dang fast. One day I'll do
Speaker 1: an entire Burger's podcast on the lent brilliant man, Get ready,
Speaker 1: that is that going to be my moment? Is that
Speaker 1: going to be my moment? Probably? Probably don't count on it. Hey, listen,
Speaker 1: if you live in North America and you do not
Speaker 1: know about the Baring land Bridge, then basically there's a
Speaker 1: massive hole in your understanding of why you are here,
Speaker 1: the animals that are on this continitor here, and basically
Speaker 1: you are sort of irresponsible. That's my take. Lots of
Speaker 1: lots of generalized statements being thrown around. Really yeah, all
Speaker 1: positive direction that does. That's what happened to the land
Speaker 1: Bridge yesterday. I felt intoxicated with power. I think it
Speaker 1: may have shaped me like in an unhealthy way. Man. Okay,
Speaker 1: people have complained that we're talking over each other. This
Speaker 1: has been like one NonStop no no, we gotta keep
Speaker 1: it up. Forget those people. We're gonna talk about reviews
Speaker 1: here in a minute. Land Bridge, Josh, good to see
Speaker 1: you back from wherever he was. Malachi Nichols, Dr Nichols.
Speaker 1: Good to see you, man, Good to see you. When
Speaker 1: Malachi walked in the day, I was like, you've been
Speaker 1: playing golf, got Brent? Will you describe what he's wearing.
Speaker 1: He's got some socks from they probably should have. I
Speaker 1: don't know how you described it. Looks like a d
Speaker 1: N A pattern or something. I'd say they come from school.
Speaker 1: Looks like I think Dolly Parton's mama made those like
Speaker 1: that to go. Mali guy is known for his socks
Speaker 1: and has been for years. Strong man carry on the
Speaker 1: reason I'm not okay. He goes out, he goes up
Speaker 1: from his decorative socks to a pair of non pleated
Speaker 1: slacks comfortable anywhere from a night out on the town
Speaker 1: to accompanying that. Finishing off his attire would be a
Speaker 1: white polo literally obviously been pressed sometime in the last
Speaker 1: five years. It looks good, but he's actually got a
Speaker 1: polo poo. That's what that is. Yeah, I thought that
Speaker 1: was self explainator. It can be generic, like you could
Speaker 1: buy polo from Walmart. That's the style that is. Not
Speaker 1: only is it a polo shirt, it is a polo exactly.
Speaker 1: Is that better? Yeah? Bulldozer Man Malo. Great to have
Speaker 1: you back. We told we told everybody last time why
Speaker 1: you weren't here. I wasn't not here Africa. It was
Speaker 1: because you got asked it out by by the land Bridge.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, okay. And then our guest of honor, Miss
Speaker 1: num my wife, Hello, Misty, how nice? So sorry, He's
Speaker 1: so sorry for everybody else who did not get that introduction.
Speaker 1: Nod you guys, You guys should start to queue in
Speaker 1: on non verbal things that are happening in this room.
Speaker 1: If you'll notice, Miss Nukem has a banjo in her
Speaker 1: lap always. Well, I was just gonna say, just if
Speaker 1: I I I got invited to play at my first
Speaker 1: non Bear Grease gig. Pretty big deal. Don't tell them
Speaker 1: it's true. Yeah, I'll be We're not invited. I'll keep
Speaker 1: watching for the release of those tickets for the Arkansas
Speaker 1: Music Pavilion. Right, she's playing with Willie Nelson. No, no,
Speaker 1: not true. Hey. iTunes and reviews on iTunes are big
Speaker 1: in the podcast world. None of us podcasters know why,
Speaker 1: but we just all know that it is because podcasters
Speaker 1: like continually beg people for ratings and reviews. None of
Speaker 1: us know why. It's kind of like being a North
Speaker 1: American and not knowing that, you know, humans first came
Speaker 1: across a barren land bridge. You know, it's kind of
Speaker 1: irresponsible that I don't really understand why iTunes ratings are important,
Speaker 1: but they really are, and people have really come through
Speaker 1: big time for us. We've we've got it. Well, I
Speaker 1: was going to bring up that one reviews this is
Speaker 1: the greatest podcast in history two stars. Yeah, so that's
Speaker 1: why I wanted to bring this up. It's literally I
Speaker 1: think it's aid instant hit love this like it's like
Speaker 1: just glowed. Yeah, it was just like, this is awesome.
Speaker 1: Two stars. I would like to hear what a good
Speaker 1: podcast was for that guy got a five star, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean because I mean, I'd like to hear what
Speaker 1: he would say about it, you know, but it was
Speaker 1: it was pretty impressive. Hey, did you guys know that
Speaker 1: the Beargrease podcast has a new official title sponsor? Did
Speaker 1: y'all catch it? Y'all didn't catch it? Caterpillar? Caterpillar? No
Speaker 1: f h F gear? Oh yeah, I did y'all hear that?
Speaker 1: In the intro it was f h F gear. Yeah,
Speaker 1: y'all know what f HF stands for? No Fish Hunt
Speaker 1: Fight oh, fish Hunt fight Yeah, so fish Hunt Fight gear.
Speaker 1: I've got some some f H stuff right here. No,
Speaker 1: this is this is one of the meteor companies. This
Speaker 1: is one a pretty cool bad this is a this
Speaker 1: is uh yeah, this is there like accessories pouch. So
Speaker 1: I used this basically f HFY. They became known probably
Speaker 1: originally with their binocular harnesses, so it's a chest harness
Speaker 1: but they're making all kinds of other stuff now and
Speaker 1: so this is their their their pouch, like this is
Speaker 1: my turkey pouch. That would be a great fly fishing
Speaker 1: pack right there. Just they've got them. It looks perfect
Speaker 1: for the very comfortable, like you quit if you wear
Speaker 1: one of these. I mean, you know, you you might
Speaker 1: need more storage if you really were trying to carry
Speaker 1: a backpack. But man, everything's right here on your chest.
Speaker 1: But yeah, this is just there. Okay, housekeeping items here okay. Um.
Speaker 1: First Light is having their season opener sale, which is
Speaker 1: their biggest sale of the whole year, and it it
Speaker 1: goes from August three August five. A bunch of stuff
Speaker 1: is on sale. It's their best sell the year. So
Speaker 1: if you're looking to get stuck out in some First
Speaker 1: Light stuff and I'll tell you what I'm gonna talk about.
Speaker 1: So on on social media, they just said, hey, we
Speaker 1: want you all to tell your top three pieces of gear,
Speaker 1: like your must have pieces, because sometimes it's confusing just
Speaker 1: with a clothing company that has all these different kind
Speaker 1: of complex systems and different things. It's just like, what
Speaker 1: do you get sawbuck pants? Man? I wear a sawbuck
Speaker 1: It's to wonder I'm not wearing them today. I literally
Speaker 1: almost wear them every day. Uh sawbuck pants that basically
Speaker 1: have it's a synthetic material on the back but a
Speaker 1: brush pant front. And uh so they're kind of tough
Speaker 1: that that you know you can you can, You're kind
Speaker 1: of tough, but they're they're also breathable, lightweight. Absolutely love them.
Speaker 1: Brush guard in the front, breathable in the back. It's
Speaker 1: the first. It's the Union Suit of Hunting paints pant
Speaker 1: right there. You really like. Number two is the brooks
Speaker 1: Down sweater, which is they call it a sweater, but
Speaker 1: I mean it's a Jacket's jealous of since you walked
Speaker 1: in with it, I'm gonna be getting one of those. Well,
Speaker 1: it's a man. Once it gets October, I will wear
Speaker 1: it every day from October through March. You're gonna wash it? No, No,
Speaker 1: I'm not joking. No, I don't wash it. It's a jacket, Daniel,
Speaker 1: It's it's so it's a I can see why this
Speaker 1: question would have been relevant. It's not really a sweater
Speaker 1: that you wear that like touches your skin. It's a jacket.
Speaker 1: But they called the Brookstown sweater. Ever since Clay has
Speaker 1: been on the dozer, he doesn't listen to any questions,
Speaker 1: writes us Off. Brooks Down sweater. Okay. And then the
Speaker 1: third one is the core Get God pants. So you'll
Speaker 1: hear me talking about that core Get God Pant's basically
Speaker 1: there weather synthetic material pant, but it's it's awesome stretch yeah,
Speaker 1: like yoga, Yeah yeah, I like them. Um. Hey, so
Speaker 1: we usually kind of have like story time on the podcast,
Speaker 1: and uh, Missy and I have a story. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: it's it's a timely story. Will you be telling it together? No,
Speaker 1: he's gonna cut me off. Let me tell this part. Um,
Speaker 1: Misty will help me because Misty is a big part
Speaker 1: of the story. So Missy please feel free, feel free
Speaker 1: to chime in, but feel free to do your story.
Speaker 1: We've had chickens for probably fifteen years, and we've had
Speaker 1: an assortment, an assortment of roosters, and so all our
Speaker 1: kids will have rooster stories, and people's kids that have
Speaker 1: come over here. You know, for those of you wouldn't know,
Speaker 1: roosters are honree and they will attack you. Some there's
Speaker 1: a there's a variation. Some roosters are really bad about
Speaker 1: wanting to attack people. Some roosters aren't that bad at
Speaker 1: all exactly. And we've had a rooster that thought he
Speaker 1: was human and kind of imprinted on clay and would
Speaker 1: follow him around on the phone and crow behind. I
Speaker 1: guess we gotta tell that story. I had a buddy
Speaker 1: that gave me a rooster, like a single rooster, when
Speaker 1: we had no chickens. They had to get rid of
Speaker 1: this rooster because they had it in town and it
Speaker 1: was crowing and the city made him. So you can't
Speaker 1: have that rooster. It's making a racket. Your neighbors are
Speaker 1: calling us. He brings it here, turns loose this barred
Speaker 1: rock rooster in my house. And the rooster has no
Speaker 1: other chickens, and so like I'm the one that's here,
Speaker 1: like walking around the closest to the chicken. He's gone.
Speaker 1: He follows me around every day and in this office,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to make a living for Bare Hunting Magazine
Speaker 1: and scrapping away as an entrepreneur, and I'm in here
Speaker 1: by myself, and that rooster would stalk me, watching me
Speaker 1: through the windows. And as soon as I would get
Speaker 1: a phone call, and that rooster would hear me talking
Speaker 1: in this building would look at me and literally I
Speaker 1: would I would take myself if I if I was
Speaker 1: on an important call, like someone I'm trying to like
Speaker 1: do business with that doesn't know much about me, Like
Speaker 1: I would like run out to try to get as
Speaker 1: far away as I could from that rooster. But he
Speaker 1: wouldn't crow until he heard me talk. So like people,
Speaker 1: people have memories of being clay the first time I
Speaker 1: called Baring a magazine. We would eat dinner with that
Speaker 1: rooster and he would come up to that would be
Speaker 1: eating dinner, and the rooster would be out all right,
Speaker 1: we took him on a date. Now we just sit
Speaker 1: there as a family, and you'd come and look and stare,
Speaker 1: and you'd kind of feel bad that you didn't invite
Speaker 1: him in because he's kind of like, hey, guys, am,
Speaker 1: I not part of the family. I mean, he really
Speaker 1: was part of the family. The most recent rooster has
Speaker 1: been a terrorist for the last three years, and he
Speaker 1: is he's he's attacked me publicly. He has attacked pretty
Speaker 1: much every one of our kids. He has a particular
Speaker 1: thing with people in shorts, so if you go running,
Speaker 1: if you go, he'll come and run after you wear shorts,
Speaker 1: and you're a white guy, so you don't have any spurs. So, okay,
Speaker 1: we have this rooster and he's he's bad news. Okay,
Speaker 1: he's been alive for three or four years, and he's old.
Speaker 1: He's an old rooster because we got stories that rooster
Speaker 1: years pretty far back. Well, there came a point. There
Speaker 1: came a point when we decided years ago that this
Speaker 1: rooster was a liability to our place. Now he needed
Speaker 1: to go, you know, the door, defeat it and it
Speaker 1: just come out and attack you. Okay. And so, being
Speaker 1: the good dad that I am, I delegated off the
Speaker 1: task of disposing of this rooster to shepherd my youngest son,
Speaker 1: who at the time would have been under ten years old,
Speaker 1: pretty good shot. And so, being also a responsible father,
Speaker 1: I didn't give him a gun. What did I give
Speaker 1: him to go dispatch. The rooster was bo gave shepherd
Speaker 1: nook and my bow. He's pretty good with a bow.
Speaker 1: And we just said, shepherd, dispatch, take care of the rooster. Okay,
Speaker 1: the rooster wink. Shepherd goes out, but he shoots this
Speaker 1: rooster and he he comes back in and he's all
Speaker 1: excited and he's like, I got him, Dad, And I
Speaker 1: was like, really good, and I said, I mean he's dead, huh,
Speaker 1: And he said, well, he ran off into the woods.
Speaker 1: And before I go any further, let me say that
Speaker 1: anybody who's ever eaten a chicken nugget or any kind
Speaker 1: of chicken that was raised in confinement agriculture has zero
Speaker 1: position to be able to judge the caretaking of our rooster.
Speaker 1: Okay about it? Yeah, yeah, I want somebody being like, oh,
Speaker 1: you abused a rooster. No, shepherd shoots the rooster with
Speaker 1: a bowl. The rooster runs off, and I just think
Speaker 1: it's gone out in the woods and died. To be honest,
Speaker 1: that was your first mistake. And I just thought, okay,
Speaker 1: never underestimate a rooster. Well man ride it dark. When
Speaker 1: all the chickens start coming into the coupe from way
Speaker 1: across the pasture. I look out there and I see
Speaker 1: the captain. That was his name, General Custer, his name
Speaker 1: is the captain. I see him limping across the limping
Speaker 1: across the and I go, dad, Gum, that sucker still alive.
Speaker 1: And he limps all the way back into the coupe.
Speaker 1: And we had so much respect for him. After this
Speaker 1: humbled him. He was a little bit easier to handle,
Speaker 1: Like he would open the door and he'd just be like,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna walk, I'm gonna lit by him. A
Speaker 1: pattern began to establish itself. Is this a way that
Speaker 1: Clay could be humbled? Everything him? So we kind of
Speaker 1: had empathy for him after this. We're like, well we
Speaker 1: maybe shot him, Well, maybe we'll let him lift. Because
Speaker 1: the next day he was nicer, and for months he
Speaker 1: didn't attack anyone. Years okay, and he kind of dialed back.
Speaker 1: So the rooster gradually builds up whatever he lost and
Speaker 1: he starts getting real honree again. Okay. One day, Missy
Speaker 1: and I are going somewhere and it was hot. I
Speaker 1: remember I was dressed up in like the nicest clothes
Speaker 1: eye own. I remember that I needed something way out
Speaker 1: by the mule pasture, I go dog on it and
Speaker 1: I run. I jump out of the truck and run
Speaker 1: over to the mule pasture running and they're all the
Speaker 1: chickens and bisect the chicken flock and they just go
Speaker 1: The chickens just go flying and eat a direction. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm running right through the middle of this flock of chickens.
Speaker 1: Chickens going right, chickens going left. The captain does not
Speaker 1: like that at all, and he absolutely just goes full tilt, spurring, flying, kicking,
Speaker 1: I mean on me. And if you've never had that
Speaker 1: happen to you, I've been pretty darn there charged by
Speaker 1: black bears, and this is scarier. Okay. I mean he's
Speaker 1: spurring me, and I mean I've holler and I get
Speaker 1: out of here. Yeah, And I kick him just as
Speaker 1: hard as I am kicking. He goes across the yard,
Speaker 1: hits the ground, comes back at me again about roosters. Relentless.
Speaker 1: He is attacking me like if it had been a
Speaker 1: small kid, I'd been afraid to kill them. While I
Speaker 1: was standing in our orchard and then our orchard, I
Speaker 1: trimmed some limbs, and there was a limb that was
Speaker 1: about five inches long and about as big around as
Speaker 1: a coke can that was laying on the ground. I
Speaker 1: pick it up and just sling it sideways, just like
Speaker 1: that at him. I mean, I'm not trying to kill him.
Speaker 1: M and I mean it just hits him right in
Speaker 1: the head. That sucker goes down on his back, wings
Speaker 1: start flopping, feet are sticking straight up in the air,
Speaker 1: and I mean in his feet kick kick kick limp.
Speaker 1: Mrs Captain, there's been an accident. The rooster is dead
Speaker 1: as a hammer, and I God gone it. I was like,
Speaker 1: I wasn't trying to kill him. What please don't try
Speaker 1: to kill me as a hammer. And so I walk
Speaker 1: over there and I'm up, I'm upset. I know what
Speaker 1: it looks like when something dies, and this rooster just
Speaker 1: died right here, and I know Misty is gonna be upset.
Speaker 1: I go back to the truck and I'm actually nervous
Speaker 1: about telling Misty. I get in the truck and I go, Misty,
Speaker 1: something's really sad. Just I said, I just killed the captain.
Speaker 1: If I lost my brother into tears, I'm not kidding.
Speaker 1: He always, I think, exaggerates his part of a little,
Speaker 1: but I mean there were sniffles breaking into tears. Sounds
Speaker 1: like I'm wailing and dashing of teeth. I mean, I
Speaker 1: mean like tears came out of your eyes and you said,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, what happened? And I tell her and
Speaker 1: she says, where's the at And I say, he's laying
Speaker 1: right out there in the mule pasture dead. Misty says,
Speaker 1: I want to see him. Misty said, I want to
Speaker 1: see him. And we're dressed up in like the best
Speaker 1: clothes we've got, like I said, and I go, you
Speaker 1: want to see him? I said, I don't think. I
Speaker 1: don't thank you, I don't want the mule. A lot
Speaker 1: of unanswered questions. So finally she convinces me she wants
Speaker 1: to go see the dead cap. She just wants this,
Speaker 1: you know, part of So I go, okay, well let's
Speaker 1: go over there. And so we walk over there, and
Speaker 1: we come around the chicken coop. I'll never forget it.
Speaker 1: I'll never forge get it. Misty comes around the chicken
Speaker 1: coop and gains vista of the mule pasture and she
Speaker 1: goes there is well, he is running through the mule
Speaker 1: pasture going after his girl. He's ever been in history.
Speaker 1: That's number two. That's twice. It humbled him though. Okay,
Speaker 1: we have a squirrel dog named Tim. Tim is one
Speaker 1: of the smartest animals we've ever interacted with. Incredibly smart.
Speaker 1: He's a feist, He's a squirrel dog. Anywhere there's drama,
Speaker 1: Tim is involved in. He loves drama. When the mules fight, like,
Speaker 1: he'll go out and start baying him sure for real.
Speaker 1: When when the pigs get out, like he's the one
Speaker 1: telling us that the pigs are out, like he's running
Speaker 1: Tim and the captain. The captain attacks Tim. Tim will
Speaker 1: be eating his dog food. The captain will come over
Speaker 1: and run Tim off his dog food and eat Tim's
Speaker 1: dog food. So Tim likes drama, but he's a little
Speaker 1: bit well, so Tim has gotten where he where. He
Speaker 1: runs after the captain and they'll kind of get in
Speaker 1: a little fight, but Tim will ever touch him, won't
Speaker 1: ever hurt him, and captain runs Tim off. Well, one day,
Speaker 1: Misty is out in the garden, Tim and the captain
Speaker 1: getting a fight and the captain is winning. So they're fighting,
Speaker 1: and captain keeps coming after Tim and scared him off,
Speaker 1: and and Tim will go over just to harass him. Well,
Speaker 1: Tim's gone through puberty now, and he's a little stronger,
Speaker 1: a little faster, and he, I think unintentionally fights Captain
Speaker 1: in the head. I mean, captain goes down and there's
Speaker 1: no there's no flip in, there's no and I go
Speaker 1: film it because I'm I'm sending to Clay because I
Speaker 1: think he's dead. Clays tim the Captain's dead, and he's
Speaker 1: he I think there might be a chance because Captain's
Speaker 1: died and come back a couple of times, and so
Speaker 1: I want Clay to be there for it. I also
Speaker 1: don't want to go mess with him too much because
Speaker 1: he's a mean rooster and he'll come after me. So
Speaker 1: I'm trying, yes, exactly, And so Clay comes home. I
Speaker 1: call him and I said, I think happens dead. But
Speaker 1: the way she said, she said, I think he's dead
Speaker 1: for real. And so I walk out in the field.
Speaker 1: This is a long time after it's happened. Captain is
Speaker 1: laid out flat like I mean, he's not even act
Speaker 1: like chalkoutine. And I walk over there and look at
Speaker 1: him and I see him breathing. I pick him up
Speaker 1: and I set him up on his feet like this,
Speaker 1: and he just kind of goes on and he kind
Speaker 1: of he kind of comes up, kind of comes to
Speaker 1: and he just sits there on the ground and we
Speaker 1: just watch him and I'm like, he's alive, but I'm
Speaker 1: telling Mr Him he's very woozy this time. I'm like,
Speaker 1: he's he's gonna die. Man. We move him to the pen.
Speaker 1: We kind of help him along. He gets in the pen,
Speaker 1: he stays in the coupe for two days, doesn't come
Speaker 1: He stayed in the coup for three days. Okay, finally
Speaker 1: comes out and just sits outside of it, stay in
Speaker 1: the coop for three days. We brought him food and
Speaker 1: did he when he would when he finally came out,
Speaker 1: he would see his girls like straight I'm pointing straight
Speaker 1: in front of me, and he would be trying to
Speaker 1: go after him and he would walk over. He would
Speaker 1: walk side something going on out. On Easter morning, he
Speaker 1: got lost his crow. Crow went from like full volume
Speaker 1: to like for a while, and then it came back
Speaker 1: one day about so a lot. I mean, he was
Speaker 1: really humble after that and pretty mellow, and then it
Speaker 1: just gradually built back up and that crow made back
Speaker 1: and his meanness came back three times. Captain literally, is
Speaker 1: he still around? Well, that's why we're telling this the
Speaker 1: captain is. We need to tell him one more brief thing,
Speaker 1: and that is, Captain one time got his foot stuck
Speaker 1: in some some wire and we had to amputate his toe. Yeah,
Speaker 1: swoll up one time, real bad. And I went in
Speaker 1: there in the dark and grabbed him up. And just
Speaker 1: because he got where he's limping real bad. He had
Speaker 1: this big club nothing, something was wrapped around his toe.
Speaker 1: I just cut his toe off and within two days
Speaker 1: he didn't have a limp. Did the toe grow back, Nope,
Speaker 1: he just had a big old club foot with You know,
Speaker 1: chicken has four toes, one off the back, through off
Speaker 1: the front, and he had the middle one gone rock. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so his toe. Okay, we're when we were a few
Speaker 1: weeks ago, we were gone and we get a text
Speaker 1: from our daughter and she says, it sounds like a
Speaker 1: news headline. The captain is dot I told her, I said,
Speaker 1: I won't believe it till I see it with my
Speaker 1: own us. And sure enough, the captain is dead from
Speaker 1: natural cause you are quite certain that Tim well Tim, again,
Speaker 1: Tim doesn't we have chickens run around all the place.
Speaker 1: He doesn't attack. We think it was where we feed
Speaker 1: tim So we think there was a skirmish around the food.
Speaker 1: So the captain is dead, and that is why Mr
Speaker 1: Nucomla wrote a song about it. Story. Hey, the song
Speaker 1: goes a little something like this, Old Captain, no captain,
Speaker 1: your fearful trip is done, Old captain, no captain, No,
Speaker 1: where have you gone? We'll miss your money crows more
Speaker 1: than you'll ever know, but we won't miss jus fer.
Speaker 1: That's right. Once shepherd shot you with the bow. Once
Speaker 1: we had to amputate your toe. When that lamb hit
Speaker 1: you on the head, lying in the field, we watched
Speaker 1: you raise from the dead, Old captain, Old captain, your
Speaker 1: fearful trip has done everybody. Oh captain, oh captain, and
Speaker 1: a where have you gone? Will miss your mighty crow
Speaker 1: more than you'll ever know, But we won't miss jo spurs.
Speaker 1: We never thought your life would come to an end.
Speaker 1: We thought you were immortal, my friend. We found your
Speaker 1: feathers by where we beat him your careful I will
Speaker 1: finally god him aware never captain, captain, your fare trip
Speaker 1: is done, Old captain, old captain, Oh where have you gone?
Speaker 1: We'll miss your mighty grow more than you'll ever know,
Speaker 1: but we won miss those close who finished appropriate appropriate tribute?
Speaker 1: Hey snake bit great podcast? Would you like about it? Josh? Well,
Speaker 1: you know, I was talking to somebody today. I don't
Speaker 1: walk around on with with too much of a fear
Speaker 1: of of too many things. Like I don't get scared
Speaker 1: about like venomous spiders. I mean, we got brown recluses
Speaker 1: in our house, and I mean the people that come
Speaker 1: and visit. It's not like they run around, but they're
Speaker 1: everywhere around here. Uh. You know, black widows, you see
Speaker 1: them all the time. You know, dogs, Like I don't
Speaker 1: get scared around dogs. But there is something about snakes.
Speaker 1: And I remember reading a story when I was a kid,
Speaker 1: and the reader's digest about this this boy that was
Speaker 1: running through the woods and he jumps over this little
Speaker 1: creek and steps on this stick and the stick ends
Speaker 1: up being a big rattlesnake and bites him, and he,
Speaker 1: you know, just barely escapes with his life. And I remember, like,
Speaker 1: even as a grown man, like I've spent a lot
Speaker 1: of time in the woods, I won't walk through a field.
Speaker 1: I'll choose not to walk through a fields sometimes because
Speaker 1: I'm leery of snakes. So but it it there is
Speaker 1: there's definitely like an emotional response you have so hearing
Speaker 1: people talk about that is is it was? It was good,
Speaker 1: It was very it was very emotion evoking. What was
Speaker 1: your favorite section? So? To me, what I liked about
Speaker 1: this podcast was the diversity of the interviews because it
Speaker 1: was like lighthearted and kind of funny with Brandon, with
Speaker 1: my dad, and then straight up crazy with Mr Fred
Speaker 1: It was like my new best friend, and then it
Speaker 1: went to like super serious at the end. What was
Speaker 1: your Honestly, I have to say probably the most impacting
Speaker 1: part to me was the story at the end and
Speaker 1: I and and I'm always I'm always a like a
Speaker 1: student of I don't know if a student is the
Speaker 1: right word, but I love to observe people and the
Speaker 1: way they respond to things. And to hear this woman
Speaker 1: who this on the outside, this tragic situation horrific. You know,
Speaker 1: the thing you would never wish on your enemy to
Speaker 1: happen to her, but to her to talk about it
Speaker 1: and the way that she processed through it, and then
Speaker 1: to to to say, you know, there were days when
Speaker 1: I didn't want to get out of bed because it
Speaker 1: was scared about snakes on the or to coming to
Speaker 1: this point of resolution inside of herself to say, this
Speaker 1: tragic thing happened to me, but I'm not going to
Speaker 1: allow it to define the way that I lived my
Speaker 1: life from this point on. That was very impacted to me. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree. That was my favorite part. To you. I
Speaker 1: thought she was inspirational. Yeah, just her story, how she
Speaker 1: processed it and just how she moved forward with her
Speaker 1: life and no sense anybody or unusual. Yeah. Like I
Speaker 1: listened to that interview just like you guys did. Like
Speaker 1: I didn't do that interview, Chris, Dr Chris Jenkins did,
Speaker 1: which I owe him a big thank you, and and
Speaker 1: I told him that many times he interviewed he knew
Speaker 1: that woman or it didn't know her well, but you know,
Speaker 1: he knew of her story and he was like, man, Clay,
Speaker 1: if we could get this lady to tell her story
Speaker 1: and be really good, And he worked with her and
Speaker 1: got the story. So when I listened to the story,
Speaker 1: I was like shocked at just her demeanor, Like and yeah,
Speaker 1: he came into the house and talked about it. He
Speaker 1: was like, do you know what I did today? And
Speaker 1: he told me about here, and like it was impacting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not not normal, but what do you think man, Like,
Speaker 1: you know, the part that stuck out to me was
Speaker 1: when you were talking to one of the experts and
Speaker 1: he was talking about how how we respond to snakes
Speaker 1: is a learned trait um, And I think that's that's
Speaker 1: kind of really impactful. That's something that just if you
Speaker 1: think about, there's many things that we do inside of
Speaker 1: life that I learned, right this, it's not right or wrong,
Speaker 1: but it's a learned traite, and so how how we
Speaker 1: are how we respond to snakes is something that's learned.
Speaker 1: And then to see like that crazy guy, it's like
Speaker 1: he's a learned trait that he can get bit and
Speaker 1: it's not gonna not gonna happen, and nothing's gonna happen
Speaker 1: to him. And then you hear that woman like she
Speaker 1: learned to get over her fear of snakes and be
Speaker 1: able to sit next to one in that interview. So
Speaker 1: I think that that's the part that I like. Now
Speaker 1: you don't have much background, Yeah, that's what that was.
Speaker 1: As I was listening to the podcast, it was almost
Speaker 1: like less relevant to me because I didn't grow up
Speaker 1: walking through fields, I didn't grow up hunting, I didn't
Speaker 1: grow up with a lot of exposure to snakes, so
Speaker 1: I don't really have this extreme emotion. I don't would
Speaker 1: say to snakes. And if I see a rattlesnake, I'm
Speaker 1: not stupid. But uh, we put three snakes in this
Speaker 1: room for you today. Exactly what was the first venomous
Speaker 1: snake you ever saw? Oh? And how I can't? I
Speaker 1: can't remember the first one. I mean just ever since
Speaker 1: I was born. Remember vividly. I was nine years old
Speaker 1: and it was a coral snake. Coral snake in Texas.
Speaker 1: Vividly remember it. Mr Fred Lalley has been dry it
Speaker 1: by coral snake. I heard about that. Yeah, now I
Speaker 1: don't remember the first one. The um so your mama, Mali,
Speaker 1: I didn't grow up telling you to watch out for
Speaker 1: snakes in Midland, Texas. You know what? What's interesting so
Speaker 1: that I wanted a nerd out on it, but there
Speaker 1: was just too much. I actually cut out a ton
Speaker 1: of stuff out of the podcast, like there's twice as
Speaker 1: much um with Fred Lalley and with Chris Jenkins. Um,
Speaker 1: there is a the dominant feature And Chris said this,
Speaker 1: but when you understand the research projects, it's pretty interesting.
Speaker 1: The dominant reason we're afraid of snakes is learned behavior
Speaker 1: from parents, like a toddler is not afraid of a snake, like,
Speaker 1: so it's there. There is some genetic coating like, for instance,
Speaker 1: like chimpanzees do show slight fear, too long, slithery type shapes.
Speaker 1: They did. They do a lot of stuff with chimpanzees
Speaker 1: and primates in general to try to see and a
Speaker 1: but like a toddler. That's why if a toddler sees
Speaker 1: a snake on the ground, they might just walk over
Speaker 1: and grab it. How do you explain the cats and
Speaker 1: the cucumbers come again, I honestly probably has. The entire
Speaker 1: half of the servers on this planet are full of
Speaker 1: videos of cats and cucumber on the floor. Cucumber behind
Speaker 1: the house. Cat was unaware. It turns around and sees it,
Speaker 1: and it will shoot as much as you tarize your rooster.
Speaker 1: I'm surprised you haven't laid a cucumber on a cat
Speaker 1: before him and they think it's a snake, and they
Speaker 1: jumped to heaven. You know they think it's a snake. Okay,
Speaker 1: I made that part of the don't land bridge you
Speaker 1: land bridge trap ship. I gotta tell one one story.
Speaker 1: I one time one of my good friends was petrified
Speaker 1: of snakes. It was when we were in high school,
Speaker 1: and we knew he was just like I mean, he'd
Speaker 1: like punch in the face, you know, kind of scared
Speaker 1: if you messed with him with a snake. And we
Speaker 1: were working together on a peach orchard and on the
Speaker 1: way to the peach orchard, I saw a big black
Speaker 1: rat snake on the road and I got out and
Speaker 1: caught it, and it was just the perfect setup. I
Speaker 1: had a new toolbox in the back of the truck,
Speaker 1: you know, the kind of straddles over the back of
Speaker 1: your bed, and it was brand new, and so I
Speaker 1: was going to his house and it was the kind
Speaker 1: of thing where I'd be like, Adam, I got a
Speaker 1: brand new toolbox. I put that big snake in that toolbox.
Speaker 1: Pull up to the peach orchard. He comes over and
Speaker 1: it's just like so natural. I was just like, look
Speaker 1: at my toolbox. I picked that up yesterday. And he
Speaker 1: was like, oh man, he jumps in the back of
Speaker 1: my truck. I probably got it. I was like, get
Speaker 1: in there and I feel how that thing opens. And
Speaker 1: he gets in there and opens it, and that snake
Speaker 1: is there and he comes on glued. It was great.
Speaker 1: He absolutely came out, Um, Dan, what do you think.
Speaker 1: I could not believe fred. I just couldn't believe his story.
Speaker 1: And when when he was one of the first things
Speaker 1: he said was, well, I was ten years old and
Speaker 1: I was forced feeding a pigmy rattles, and you were
Speaker 1: sitting there like okay. I turned to get the other
Speaker 1: leg and I was like, what in the world. It
Speaker 1: was just his whole experience. And then another thing that
Speaker 1: I've just found super fascinating was when he was describing
Speaker 1: driving down to Florida and stopping at those bridges and
Speaker 1: you know, some guy on the phone, I'm sorry new ones,
Speaker 1: and hey, I could use some you know, I could
Speaker 1: use some cotton mouse. And he was like, every other
Speaker 1: bridge I could pick up six seven cotton mouse, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, sorry what it was just nuts. But so
Speaker 1: on the growing up on a farm, my grandpa would
Speaker 1: regularly kill a copper head and bring it out and
Speaker 1: show it to us, or we'd see a rat snake
Speaker 1: or a big kings you know, king snake, and it's
Speaker 1: like those are good snakes, those are bad snakes. And
Speaker 1: so we just had we were interacting with snakes all
Speaker 1: the time. It wasn't a big thing. But never once
Speaker 1: would you catch now a grass snake or something like that.
Speaker 1: We would catch and and have fun with, but you
Speaker 1: knew the bad ones at cotton Mouth would see him
Speaker 1: in the creek. It was like you get out the
Speaker 1: creek when you see cotton Yeah, yeah, you know, I
Speaker 1: don't like this swimming creeks. And there's there's certain there's
Speaker 1: certain like characteristics that you know about certain snakes, like, oh,
Speaker 1: the cotton moules are aggressive, they'll come after you. You know,
Speaker 1: everybody has heard that. Anybody knows anything about cotton moles
Speaker 1: if they will jump out of the water and bite
Speaker 1: your eyes. You know, never seen one do that, No,
Speaker 1: no one ever has. Yeah, so Fred Lally was kind
Speaker 1: of a highlight. Yeah, it's really hearing his whole take
Speaker 1: on everything. I did. It hour and forty five minute
Speaker 1: interview with him. We talked for that long. I mean
Speaker 1: there was so much that I had to take out.
Speaker 1: Does they have like snak paraphernali and stuff around this house? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he still probably has snakes, doesn't he know? He doesn't
Speaker 1: have snakes? Right? Why? I mean, he just kind of
Speaker 1: just done with it. But he's got like he's got
Speaker 1: are they dried? Well, he's got lots of taxidermy snakes. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But he I told people on the render that I
Speaker 1: was gonna tell what happened when he got bit by
Speaker 1: banded Egyptian cobra. He he just kind of threw that
Speaker 1: one on. Do you remember in the render on the podcast,
Speaker 1: I said, I'll tell you what happened. It was pretty standard.
Speaker 1: I mean he uh, he was feeding it and his snake.
Speaker 1: There's a new snake. And that's what the problem was.
Speaker 1: They had acquainted with each other. He never gotten the
Speaker 1: flute out yet. If with a banded Egyptian and you
Speaker 1: just knew you just bumped into him. Yeah, that's how
Speaker 1: they get you. Well okay. And the other thing was
Speaker 1: is that I'm pretty sure he told me there were
Speaker 1: two of them in the same cage, so he was
Speaker 1: he's he may have been. Yeah, Maliki's got a banded
Speaker 1: Egyptian cobra pulled up. Hey, okays, when Mr when Mr
Speaker 1: Fred was telling me this story, this is what I imagined.
Speaker 1: Have you ever do you know the unbeatable trick where
Speaker 1: you do like this to somebody and then you slap
Speaker 1: him in the face. You wiggle your fingers up in
Speaker 1: your right hand, and then when they look at your hand,
Speaker 1: you slap him in the face with your left hand.
Speaker 1: And then if they catch onto it and they go
Speaker 1: to block because they know you're gonna come up with
Speaker 1: the left, you hit him with the right. You can't
Speaker 1: beat it. Try to just try to beat it. Brent
Speaker 1: to Mr Fred with abandoned Egyptian Cobra's okay, he was
Speaker 1: feeding one and this other one he just he said,
Speaker 1: he just thought it was as I understood the story
Speaker 1: to be told. He just thought because he was messing
Speaker 1: with this one, that this one would be okay. And
Speaker 1: I mean, you're talking about a guy that is just handled.
Speaker 1: There was a time when he had he was this
Speaker 1: is totally legal. This is in other states and other places.
Speaker 1: Is full, It's totally legal. He had liked rattlesnakes one time,
Speaker 1: by them by the ton, what are you kidding me?
Speaker 1: Real normal, And there's a ton of rattlesnakes, and um,
Speaker 1: that's actually how he got into snakes as he was
Speaker 1: he was a rattlesnake dealer. Do you you don't get
Speaker 1: into snakes. I'm just started, I've never no, no, he
Speaker 1: started dealing in rattlesnakes, and I mean people eat rattlesnakes.
Speaker 1: There's rattlesnake skin business for making boots, for making belts.
Speaker 1: It's like totally legal. There's ways that they extract them.
Speaker 1: It's like hunting seasons. And basically he was dealing in
Speaker 1: rattlesnakes and he would keep the real cool ones. So
Speaker 1: he get like he would he would keep the cool ones.
Speaker 1: And he started realizing that people like to see the
Speaker 1: neat rattlesnakes, like the two headed rattlesnakes. The white rattlesnakes
Speaker 1: is a common thing. For a two headed snakes, It's
Speaker 1: a very uncommon. And that's why he he would like
Speaker 1: travel across the country to go buy two headed rattlesnakes. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he's had several. But so anyway, this cobra bad
Speaker 1: him on the finger and hit him on the finger
Speaker 1: and he goes to the hospital and like he always does, well,
Speaker 1: he doesn't always go to the hospital, but when he
Speaker 1: went to the hospital, he said, I would like to
Speaker 1: come sit in your waiting room and just be I
Speaker 1: just want so I'm not checking myself in, but I
Speaker 1: want to let you guys know why I'm sitting in
Speaker 1: your waiting room holding my hand. He said, I don't
Speaker 1: want an venom. But yeah, yeah, they just have banded cobra.
Speaker 1: Any venom laying around, well, I don't know. He so
Speaker 1: he goes into the e er and they so he
Speaker 1: basically says, I'm gonna deny the treatment, but I'd like
Speaker 1: to stay here, and they tell him no, and so
Speaker 1: he gets up and leaves and they call the police.
Speaker 1: They called the police, and uh and he said the
Speaker 1: police were looking for him in the town because like
Speaker 1: as if he had done something like it was a
Speaker 1: welfare concerns with that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So anyway, that's how he got by a bandoned Egyptian cobra.
Speaker 1: What what a story. Yeah, he's he's he's a very
Speaker 1: nice guy, very very very knowledgeable just about he's fun
Speaker 1: to talk to a lot of these people that you
Speaker 1: meet somehow you met them on the road. That's like,
Speaker 1: I'm how much time do you just spend wondering the streets? Uh?
Speaker 1: You right, it's a good question. Yeah, Clay says he's
Speaker 1: going for a run and where he was like, okay,
Speaker 1: so here's some good stories tonight, see Brett, what was
Speaker 1: your favorite part? I learned a lot of stuff in there.
Speaker 1: Who would have thought a rattlesnake would live to be
Speaker 1: fifty years old? Oh? Man? Yeah, didn't that make you
Speaker 1: not want to kill that? I listened. I listened to
Speaker 1: it probably three times. I've heard myself tell that story
Speaker 1: a million times, but I could only listen to the
Speaker 1: end once I got through that one time. That was
Speaker 1: that was very that lady. It's something she is to
Speaker 1: be applauded for being strong enough to tell that story.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I could. Yeah, yeah, I was so.
Speaker 1: I was so surprised that she was. I kept waiting
Speaker 1: for that. I start to get better, the story to
Speaker 1: get better, and it got worse the longer it win.
Speaker 1: But I learned a lot of stuff from from listening
Speaker 1: to Chris and I listened. You know, I've listened to
Speaker 1: the snake talk before. Yeah, and uh, but uh, a
Speaker 1: fifty year old snake? That is that's unreal. But you know,
Speaker 1: I grew up catching snakes. You know that me getting
Speaker 1: bit was that was probably easily over a hundred snakes
Speaker 1: I'd ever caught, and nothing ever happened. And then one
Speaker 1: time you know it, and the one time to me.
Speaker 1: But I never, you know, I never. I was telling
Speaker 1: somebody earlier that I don't. I don't never look for snakes.
Speaker 1: When I worked in the woods before I got old
Speaker 1: enough to be a police officer and and do go
Speaker 1: that route. Um, I worked in the woods managing timber,
Speaker 1: and you know, we'd find rattlesnakes. My friends, we find rattlesnakes,
Speaker 1: but it was never you know, like riding up on
Speaker 1: them on the Cowboy movie and they're cold up over there,
Speaker 1: just waiting to strike somebody. Now, they were all stretched
Speaker 1: out like what Chris was talking about. Except there was
Speaker 1: one occasion. We were working in the woods painting some
Speaker 1: land lines and there was a mound, a little mound
Speaker 1: of dirt, probably thirty ft away from this line. It
Speaker 1: was four of us, two of us that were chopping
Speaker 1: the trees and two of us that were painting and
Speaker 1: marking the different um or the border between two property owners.
Speaker 1: And there was a rousnake over there that was striking
Speaker 1: it every time that we would move, and he was,
Speaker 1: like I said, or thirty ft away. It was the
Speaker 1: most aggressive thing I've ever seen striking When you were
Speaker 1: thirty ft away. Absolutely was the he was something man.
Speaker 1: It was, it was, and he was big. It was
Speaker 1: a big ratutlesnake. Biggs and I were seen was probably
Speaker 1: almost six ft. You ever seen the diamondback in Arkansas?
Speaker 1: I have not known. H Okay, I got jet so
Speaker 1: James Lawrence, Um, James Lawrence one time on I want
Speaker 1: to say November in the sixties killed a six I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say it was five ft plus, but I'm pretty
Speaker 1: sure he says it was six ft diamondback rattlesnake uh
Speaker 1: in Arkansas, which is rare. Look at that. That's a dandy.
Speaker 1: That's a dandy. Brent shown me a picture of a
Speaker 1: big old rattlesnake timp. So I've never seen a diving
Speaker 1: back rattlesnake in Arkansas, but there's reports of them, and
Speaker 1: I often if you tell me you've seen a divonback
Speaker 1: rattlesnake in Arkansas, be be prepared to feel my my
Speaker 1: feel the dozer dozer, because I'll be like, you know
Speaker 1: you didn't So James Lawrence told me this. And for
Speaker 1: those of you who wouldn't, you know, James Lawrence is
Speaker 1: one of my heroes. I mean, I believed him. But
Speaker 1: he just told me that one day and I was
Speaker 1: just kind of okay, We're looking through a photo album
Speaker 1: two months ago, and I'll be dad gum, there's a
Speaker 1: six ft diamondback rattlesnake laid across the hood of like
Speaker 1: his you know, nineteen sixty five bronch, you know, sure enough.
Speaker 1: But the cool thing was is that he maybe not cool.
Speaker 1: The unique thing was that he killed it on late November.
Speaker 1: He said it was there was a frost on the
Speaker 1: ground and he set on the ground deer hunting and
Speaker 1: the thing was coiled up, I mean within he could
Speaker 1: have reached out and touched it, setting on a rock
Speaker 1: sun and he said there was like a beam of
Speaker 1: sun coming hit in this rock. And anyway, he killed it. Uh,
Speaker 1: kind of about it. The first time I ever saw
Speaker 1: someone handle of enomous snake was Mr Clay Nicol. Oh
Speaker 1: really yeah, Oh, driving driving out and seeing a big,
Speaker 1: big old copper head going across the road and I
Speaker 1: remember lying locking up the charging out of the jeep
Speaker 1: and grabbing the stick and pinning its head down and
Speaker 1: I'm like, what are you doing? He's like, I want
Speaker 1: to check the snake out, man, And yeah. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: how at all starts. The next time. You know, he
Speaker 1: looks like you got a baseball mid on your left hand.
Speaker 1: You know. My family, that was the one thing that
Speaker 1: gave them pause about me about that was it, can
Speaker 1: you believe that they really like to play a bare
Speaker 1: handed snake snatcher down where I came from. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm serious, I thought they. I thought you're gonna say
Speaker 1: that once once my pastor from the pulpit called me out.
Speaker 1: I mean, like not, he wasn't giving me in trouble.
Speaker 1: He was he wasn't. He wasn't. I wasn't in trouble.
Speaker 1: He just was in his sermon and he said, there's
Speaker 1: some people in this church that like the catch snakes
Speaker 1: with their hands. And everybody looked at me. Did they
Speaker 1: call you Tatana Boa on the phone two ft loud?
Speaker 1: There's not too many snakes that could eat a person.
Speaker 1: Well there was. I was like, that's the podcast I
Speaker 1: want to hear. Wait, I'm going Malika is like our
Speaker 1: fact checker. Malik. I was sitting over there, like wondering
Speaker 1: if anything we've said. He's like, I'm from Texas. I
Speaker 1: don't believe this. I find out when that thing was
Speaker 1: a lot like the the last one Arkansas and County
Speaker 1: to sixty million years ago. Oh wow, came over on
Speaker 1: the land bridge. It was it had a tail on
Speaker 1: camp chat his head in Alaska. Um, let's see, Missy,
Speaker 1: what was your general impression of the podcast? I thought
Speaker 1: it was good. I wasn't really sure how you were
Speaker 1: going to pull off a snake podcast and make it
Speaker 1: interesting and and you know, meaningful. I really wasn't sure
Speaker 1: how interest think it would be to me, But I
Speaker 1: thought it was interesting. I thought, um, like everybody said,
Speaker 1: the lady story at the end had a human component. Dude,
Speaker 1: that was almost that was tough to handle, but really
Speaker 1: admirable in terms of how she how she handled it.
Speaker 1: And in that sense, I thought it was really really valuable.
Speaker 1: And and I'm kind of like Maliki. I was interested
Speaker 1: in them the human elements of it. But also I
Speaker 1: thought it was interesting when he went through the list
Speaker 1: of things not to do with snakes. Yeah, with snake bites,
Speaker 1: I for sure would have died. Yeah, cutting and sing
Speaker 1: when I got bit Like when I got to the
Speaker 1: emergency room, the doctor, my family doctor happened to be
Speaker 1: there and we had they we had stopped a deputy
Speaker 1: sheriff and informed on what was going on, you know,
Speaker 1: and to call the hospital and let him know we
Speaker 1: were coming. So when we got there, it's just like
Speaker 1: Chris was saying, you know, call ahead. We got there,
Speaker 1: they were standing at the door waite first at the
Speaker 1: r and my family doctor was there and he said,
Speaker 1: are you allergic to anything? So I can't think anything
Speaker 1: you're allergic to? I said, I'm not allergic to anything
Speaker 1: that I knew of. So they gave me that that
Speaker 1: any venom. But the first thing that he did was
Speaker 1: he put my hand in a bag of as for
Speaker 1: about fifteen minutes. Then he pulled it out and took
Speaker 1: a scalpel like John Wayne, and that's the that's the
Speaker 1: scar that you see on my phone. He cut an
Speaker 1: X on there and squeezed my hand like he was
Speaker 1: milking a cow really and pushing blood and venom out. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the first thing. Because so what do you think?
Speaker 1: Do you think that was like not good medical practice?
Speaker 1: But for nineteen seven, that was I he went to
Speaker 1: medical school. I I can only attribute that I'm got
Speaker 1: my thumb today and it's working by what he did,
Speaker 1: because he got the swelling guy. He got me with
Speaker 1: one thing and my hand got so big that they
Speaker 1: thought they would have to cook cut and uh, I
Speaker 1: can't hear what you call that, but they make cuts
Speaker 1: in the top of it to relieve the pressure because
Speaker 1: they thought the skin was gonna tear open, and that
Speaker 1: would have caused you know, a lot of data. But
Speaker 1: if they said, you know, we're giving it thirty more minutes,
Speaker 1: it's got to start going down or we're gonna do that.
Speaker 1: And this was over like six hours, and then it
Speaker 1: but it started going back down and he went all
Speaker 1: the way up to my bicep. You know, I'll tell
Speaker 1: you when I stopped catching snakes was when I got
Speaker 1: a family and hardly had a lick of health insurance,
Speaker 1: if none, there were large spans of our life when
Speaker 1: we had none. Not because we chose that, but because
Speaker 1: and I remember when I had my kids, really I
Speaker 1: caught snakes. The kids have seen me catch quite a few,
Speaker 1: been in the snakes. But at one point I was like,
Speaker 1: you know what, this may not be the smartest thing
Speaker 1: for you to be doing, because I thought I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get bit by a snake messing around with it and
Speaker 1: not going to be able to work because you know,
Speaker 1: back when I was working, before I was playing music professional,
Speaker 1: two doses of any venom cost three dollars, so I
Speaker 1: would be interested to know what it what it costed. Hey,
Speaker 1: so I list somebody Isaac Neil, my friend Isaac Neil, Missouri,
Speaker 1: the photographer. Um, he sent me podcast. And don't be
Speaker 1: tempted to send me a podcast. But I did listen
Speaker 1: to the podcast Isaac sent me, Um, just because I
Speaker 1: had a long road trip and it was about ana
Speaker 1: venoms And do you all know how anta venom is made?
Speaker 1: This horse? Sam is Well, see, I would I could
Speaker 1: have repeated that, but I really wouldn't have known what
Speaker 1: that meant. Okay, So the way they make ana venom
Speaker 1: is that there is a place here in the United States. Um,
Speaker 1: they have a hundred and fifty horses, and they have
Speaker 1: all the possible venomous snakes that people in the areas
Speaker 1: they're servicing could could be bit by. Okay, and let's
Speaker 1: say it's not even the United States. I mean there's
Speaker 1: there's probably well that's I got questions about that. I
Speaker 1: don't know, because but basically they take actual snakes, get
Speaker 1: venom from the snakes. Like a specific snake of rattlesnake
Speaker 1: copper head, and then they inject small doses into a
Speaker 1: horse and it actually makes them swell up and get
Speaker 1: a little bit sick. And then they do that for
Speaker 1: three weeks and then they extract like so much blood
Speaker 1: out of that horse and you know X, you know,
Speaker 1: one horse can produce x numbers of doses of ana
Speaker 1: venom and it's not very much. I mean, it's like
Speaker 1: fifteen doses of ana venom for like, you know, like
Speaker 1: this session with his horse, you know, and so and
Speaker 1: basically when you and they treat it in some of
Speaker 1: the way, it's not like a blood transfusion. They do
Speaker 1: one more thing to it, or maybe a lot more,
Speaker 1: but basically it is horse blood and and it has
Speaker 1: built an antibody too small amounts of that venom, and
Speaker 1: a horse's blood is enough like human blood that it
Speaker 1: just kind of goes in. It's like, hey, we're on
Speaker 1: the same team. We both got hair and feed our
Speaker 1: baby's milk, and so they it and and basically that
Speaker 1: is antivenom. And the point of this podcast that I
Speaker 1: listened to that Isaac Neil sent me was that it's
Speaker 1: we've been doing that process for like over a hundred years,
Speaker 1: like the medical technology basically has increased, so now they're
Speaker 1: doing studies on chemical anti venoms. And it was pretty,
Speaker 1: it was pretty The podcast was Okay, uh you can,
Speaker 1: you could. I'm not gonna say the name of no Um,
Speaker 1: but it was true that basically snake venom is is
Speaker 1: truly and they said it a nefarious chemical compound that
Speaker 1: has lots and lots of wild things that go into
Speaker 1: your body that makes I mean, it has like real
Speaker 1: strategic things, like there's a part of it it's designed
Speaker 1: to shut down your brain. There's a part of it
Speaker 1: that's designed to shut down your muscles. There's a part
Speaker 1: of it that's designed to, you know, make your feet
Speaker 1: turn backwards, so so when you think you're going forward,
Speaker 1: you're going backwards. That's a joke that didn't happen. But
Speaker 1: like basically, one one snake, misty like that um, one
Speaker 1: type of snake might have many things that that venom does,
Speaker 1: and so you have to if you're making a chemical,
Speaker 1: you have to find a solution for each one of
Speaker 1: those problems. You see, So it's super complex. Backwards feet, yes, no,
Speaker 1: but what so with the to venom with a horse,
Speaker 1: like the horse did all the work typical western humans.
Speaker 1: How much it costs three worth now? Is seven hundred
Speaker 1: and seventy seven and seven? Is that what venom costs now? Inflation?
Speaker 1: Just inflation. I'm curious what what it would cost. I
Speaker 1: bet it's beyond that six grand. The other thing that
Speaker 1: what I didn't talk about too much, well, I did
Speaker 1: talk about it. Misty said that, you know, how are
Speaker 1: we going to make a podcast that was like interesting
Speaker 1: about snakes and stuff? Man? Snakes. I said it in
Speaker 1: the podcast at the beginning. Snakes are a incredible and
Speaker 1: unique component that is a cog in the wheel of
Speaker 1: the human experience. And I mean it's just true. They
Speaker 1: they I mean you think of all these other animals,
Speaker 1: I mean, a snake just it just plays this part.
Speaker 1: And I every time all these podcasts that it might
Speaker 1: feel like they're like really scripted. I didn't write that
Speaker 1: conclusion until the end, like till like twenty minutes before
Speaker 1: I was done with a podcast, because I really was like,
Speaker 1: what did I learn from this? And I thought about
Speaker 1: Genesis chapter one, and I thought about the serpent deceiving
Speaker 1: the woman and that ultimately ended up being a pathway.
Speaker 1: There's a redemptive side to that, because you know, and
Speaker 1: I do believe the Bible. It taught us to learn
Speaker 1: to obey God. I mean, God said don't eat the fruit.
Speaker 1: Snake says eat the fruit. It's okay, just eat the fruit. Man.
Speaker 1: Every mother except from Alchi's mom, she's still good. She
Speaker 1: was warning about other stuff, so it didn't have to
Speaker 1: be a snake, but not really like jujue warning. It's
Speaker 1: like taught me to pay attention, and that warning was
Speaker 1: easy for me to go. She's right. If she said, Clay,
Speaker 1: don't you pick up that basketball? Don't pick I mean
Speaker 1: that would be kind of like a hard thing to be, Like,
Speaker 1: come on, I can pick up the basketball. It's not
Speaker 1: that big a deal. She tells me not to touch
Speaker 1: that snake, and I get over there and I feel
Speaker 1: a little chill come up my spine. I see that
Speaker 1: sucker strike. I'm like, she is a smart woman. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm it's nuanced, but I think it's deep and I
Speaker 1: think it's real. Is that the negative things are very
Speaker 1: strategically placed in our life for a purpose. And so
Speaker 1: there's two components. There's two like there's this metaphorical snake
Speaker 1: I'm talking about now of like how the challenging things,
Speaker 1: the things that can kill us, actually become key identifiers
Speaker 1: for the positive side of who we are. So you
Speaker 1: wouldn't look at Clay and be like, Clay is who
Speaker 1: he is because of snakes his mother. But I am
Speaker 1: who I am because I learned to obey my mom,
Speaker 1: I obeyed my dad. I mean, like much of my
Speaker 1: life was shaped by these people, and I find that
Speaker 1: to be true in a lot of life. But sometimes
Speaker 1: people become defined by the negative things. So you know,
Speaker 1: that's like the whole like metaphorical side of of this snake.
Speaker 1: If we're looking at this snake is as something bigger
Speaker 1: than an actual reptile, but when we're talking about an
Speaker 1: actual reptile, I love snakes and so on the conservation
Speaker 1: side of what I was trying to do was just
Speaker 1: continue to tell people like you don't have to kill
Speaker 1: every snake you see. Um, you know, the only snake
Speaker 1: I would kill, and I'll just be honest, is that
Speaker 1: if there was a big rattlesnake in my yard, like
Speaker 1: I'm actually I wouldn't kill him. I'd catch him and
Speaker 1: take him some where. I take him out in the mountains.
Speaker 1: If you know the right snake in the right place,
Speaker 1: you know, I would kill in my yard. That's it.
Speaker 1: That's it. You had a big one in your yard
Speaker 1: in town, didn't you. Two years ago? Bent reeves he
Speaker 1: sleeps with the fishes, didn't make b lives in kind
Speaker 1: of a subdivision type area. I live right at the
Speaker 1: beginning of subdivision. Right across from where I live is
Speaker 1: three or four acres of woods and a big hay field,
Speaker 1: and they've been cutting hay out there. This was in
Speaker 1: September because we were we were baiting. We were baiting
Speaker 1: bears then and uh I had come in and a
Speaker 1: neighbor comes up, knocks on the door, say, hey man,
Speaker 1: you got a gun. I'm like, do I need one.
Speaker 1: He's like, we got a big, big snake. Yeah, he says,
Speaker 1: we gets a big rattlesnake out in yard. And I'm thinking, okay,
Speaker 1: there's not a rattlesnake out in my yard, not where
Speaker 1: I live. And I go I side and he wasn't kidding.
Speaker 1: It was a huge raft snake in my yard. Well,
Speaker 1: I'll and at that time Bailey was six, little girl
Speaker 1: was six, So you know, across the road he's good
Speaker 1: to go. He can't. He can't live in my yard.
Speaker 1: So that was the end of him. And a matter
Speaker 1: of I talked to Chris Jenkins about that, and Chris said, uh,
Speaker 1: you probably didn't error too far there. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: there's a place for that, but in general, and I
Speaker 1: know you, if you were out in the mountains, you
Speaker 1: wouldn't kill a snake. I mean, so I hate rats
Speaker 1: too much to kill a snake. It's true, It's true.
Speaker 1: That's that's that is My identifier with a snake is
Speaker 1: that he's going to get rid of the rat problem. Rats.
Speaker 1: I don't do rats, don't do rats. Same same. Hey,
Speaker 1: before you close off, I've got a snake story about
Speaker 1: you getting bit and I'm gonna tell it right now,
Speaker 1: so you can cut it out if you want. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's a shepherd when he's a little boy. Had Clay
Speaker 1: got bit my snake? Not And it wasn't like a
Speaker 1: a bad wasn't a venomous snake. Yeah, And it didn't
Speaker 1: make the podcast. But Clay once got bit by snake,
Speaker 1: which bit by lots of snakes, just not venomous from one,
Speaker 1: all right, So he got bit by a snake and
Speaker 1: Shepherd was real, real interested in that. That that really
Speaker 1: caught his attention, and he would tell people made my
Speaker 1: finger bleed. Yeah, it made his finger bleed, and Shepherd
Speaker 1: wanted to tell everyone he saw about it. Shepherd also
Speaker 1: had a speech impediment at that age, and so he
Speaker 1: would run around and say, my daddy got bitten the
Speaker 1: dinger by snake, says Inger. We carried him around a
Speaker 1: little had a little cut on my bomb where this
Speaker 1: big black rat snake bit me on thumb. And we
Speaker 1: would takes Shepherd around and we would say tell them.
Speaker 1: Misty would say, tell them what happened to your daddy,
Speaker 1: And he would say, he said, my daddy got bit
Speaker 1: right on the dinger. He sna my daddy's ginger finger finger. Hey,
Speaker 1: I will tell one more snake story my Once, when
Speaker 1: I was in high school, I was driving my brother's
Speaker 1: Missubishi Eclipse, which at the time was like a really
Speaker 1: sweet like black tinted windows, like a like a multidisc
Speaker 1: CD changer. He was like cool, Sky knew I was
Speaker 1: never that cool. I drove like beat up trucks and stuff. Um,
Speaker 1: he let me drive his Missubishi Eclipse. I was coming
Speaker 1: home and I saw a big copper head that had
Speaker 1: been hit right on the tip of his tail on
Speaker 1: the road. And I mean the snake was like fully alive,
Speaker 1: but he had been hit. And so I it was dark,
Speaker 1: slammed on the brakes, I was by myself, got out,
Speaker 1: caught the snake, but I had to drive home, and
Speaker 1: it was a standard stick shift. I got the snake
Speaker 1: in one hand. I gotta drive with a stick shift
Speaker 1: and the standard And also I didn't have anything to
Speaker 1: put the snake in, but I wanted to bring it home.
Speaker 1: Show Gary nukelem and uh because it was a big one.
Speaker 1: And uh, so I just I decided that I didn't
Speaker 1: want it in the car with me because you know,
Speaker 1: if it got loose in the dark while I was
Speaker 1: driving in my lap, that could be a problem. So
Speaker 1: I drove with that copper head hanging out the window,
Speaker 1: and I drove with one hand and I would shift.
Speaker 1: You know, you just grab a gear real quick and
Speaker 1: put your hand back on the wheel. Shift, grab a gear,
Speaker 1: put your hand on the wheel. The snake is flapping
Speaker 1: out the window. I drove all the way home with
Speaker 1: that snake flapping out the window. Get home, take the
Speaker 1: you know, show Gary we got a picture of I
Speaker 1: got a picture of that snake, me holding that snake,
Speaker 1: and uh it got snake blood on the side of
Speaker 1: the car. And that snake blood ever came out. It
Speaker 1: was as if you had put like lacquer thinner on
Speaker 1: the car. And Zach Nukelem was upset with me for time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was. That was black Mitsubishi Eclipse exactly and it
Speaker 1: forever had this like cloudy section of paint where that
Speaker 1: snake blood did something to the paint. Well, we're going
Speaker 1: fly fishing this weekend, me and Zach, so I'll bring
Speaker 1: that back up, so ask him about it. Hey, last thing,
Speaker 1: listen to Brent Reeve's podcast, Nightlife Nation podcast if you're
Speaker 1: interested in coon hunting hearing some good stories. Brent has
Speaker 1: a cool podcast. Yeah man, Two other guys, Steve Fielder
Speaker 1: and Nick get a lamb yep. Check out their podcast
Speaker 1: and uh man, thanks guys. It's a lot of fun. Um.
Speaker 1: Keep the wild places wild because that's where the rattlesnakes
Speaker 1: live and the bears live. Have you ever thought about
Speaker 1: a bear getting bit by a rattlesnake? Has that ever
Speaker 1: entered your mind? My brother's got a squirrel dog hates him.
Speaker 1: He got bit three times in four days the spring.
Speaker 1: His head looked like he'd been six rounds with Mike Tyson.
Speaker 1: And if he can find one now he's gonna try
Speaker 1: to kill it. Cannot keep him off of him Mountain Curve.
Speaker 1: They should name him Captain. Captain, Captain,