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Speaker 1: Yeah. My name is Clay Nukeleman. This is a production

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Speaker 1: of the bear Grease podcast called The bear Grease Render,

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Speaker 1: where we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the

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Speaker 1: scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast, presented by f

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Speaker 1: HF Gear, American made purpose built hunting and fishing gear

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Speaker 1: that's designed to be as rugged as the places we explore.

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Speaker 1: It's pretty My poor pigs, My poor pigs. Forget your pigs.

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Speaker 1: I don't have a c in my truck. Do you

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Speaker 1: really know you don't have doors on your doors? Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the bar Grease Surrender. Really, welcome to the Burger Surrender. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Dan Rupe doesn't have doors on this truck. Doors. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It's really hot here in Arkansas, over a hundred hundred

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Speaker 1: know speaking of air conditioning, no doors on the truck.

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Speaker 1: Did you boys know that I've been driving a D

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Speaker 1: five caterpillar dozer for the last two days. I've spent

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Speaker 1: driver for me. Now, yes, drive it into town. Did

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Speaker 1: y'all see did y'all know that I was doing that. Man,

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what you appreciation. This outdoor media stuff

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Speaker 1: does not work out. I know exactly what I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: be doing with my life. Like bulldoz are driver. Yeah

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Speaker 1: we uh it's a little hard on the intestines though

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Speaker 1: not not this one. Man. Air conditioning so cold it

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Speaker 1: would absolutely freeze you out. Very comfortable seat. Yeah, this

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Speaker 1: I'm getting a wink from the land bridge for those

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Speaker 1: this part of the world. Like it's super thick regrowth

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Speaker 1: but it's so thick there's no view. I deeply value

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Speaker 1: It's a small creek. Dry, it didn't even I wanted

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Speaker 1: going to be until I borrowed a Cat five. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that would be awesome, give caterpillar. I jumped in that thing.

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Speaker 1: And now I have driven big equipment for I'm good

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Speaker 1: it up quick, and I'm like a professional does are operator? Now?

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Speaker 1: And we cleared about probably close to an acre of

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Speaker 1: But what I appreciate about that story is how brazen

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Speaker 1: I said to say. That is why Gary Nucomb is

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Speaker 1: I won't. I won't tell who this voice is. That

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Speaker 1: is right, Brent Man. Brent home Run appearance on The

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Speaker 1: Bar Gerys podcast this week. What do you think we're

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Speaker 1: here about? Brands? Say hi to everybody? Hello everybody? Yeah right,

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Speaker 1: talking about pretty pretty dang fast. One day I'll do

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Speaker 1: people have complained that we're talking over each other. This

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Speaker 1: Malachi walked in the day, I was like, you've been

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Speaker 1: playing golf, got Brent? Will you describe what he's wearing.

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Speaker 1: not true. Hey. iTunes and reviews on iTunes are big

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Speaker 1: It's it's so it's a I can see why this

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Speaker 1: But they called the Brookstown sweater. Ever since Clay has

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Speaker 1: him and I see him breathing. I pick him up

421
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 1: and I set him up on his feet like this,

422
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 1: and he just kind of goes on and he kind

423
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 1: of he kind of comes up, kind of comes to

424
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 1: and he just sits there on the ground and we

425
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 1: just watch him and I'm like, he's alive, but I'm

426
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 1: telling Mr Him he's very woozy this time. I'm like,

427
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 1: he's he's gonna die. Man. We move him to the pen.

428
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: We kind of help him along. He gets in the pen,

429
00:28:57,760 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 1: he stays in the coupe for two days, doesn't come

430
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 1: He stayed in the coup for three days. Okay, finally

431
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 1: comes out and just sits outside of it, stay in

432
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 1: the coop for three days. We brought him food and

433
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 1: did he when he would when he finally came out,

434
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 1: he would see his girls like straight I'm pointing straight

435
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 1: in front of me, and he would be trying to

436
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 1: go after him and he would walk over. He would

437
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 1: walk side something going on out. On Easter morning, he

438
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 1: got lost his crow. Crow went from like full volume

439
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 1: to like for a while, and then it came back

440
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 1: one day about so a lot. I mean, he was

441
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: really humble after that and pretty mellow, and then it

442
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,320
Speaker 1: just gradually built back up and that crow made back

443
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 1: and his meanness came back three times. Captain literally, is

444
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 1: he still around? Well, that's why we're telling this the

445
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 1: captain is. We need to tell him one more brief thing,

446
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,920
Speaker 1: and that is, Captain one time got his foot stuck

447
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 1: in some some wire and we had to amputate his toe. Yeah,

448
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 1: swoll up one time, real bad. And I went in

449
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 1: there in the dark and grabbed him up. And just

450
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 1: because he got where he's limping real bad. He had

451
00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 1: this big club nothing, something was wrapped around his toe.

452
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 1: I just cut his toe off and within two days

453
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 1: he didn't have a limp. Did the toe grow back, Nope,

454
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 1: he just had a big old club foot with You know,

455
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 1: chicken has four toes, one off the back, through off

456
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 1: the front, and he had the middle one gone rock. Yeah,

457
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 1: so his toe. Okay, we're when we were a few

458
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 1: weeks ago, we were gone and we get a text

459
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 1: from our daughter and she says, it sounds like a

460
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 1: news headline. The captain is dot I told her, I said,

461
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 1: I won't believe it till I see it with my

462
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 1: own us. And sure enough, the captain is dead from

463
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 1: natural cause you are quite certain that Tim well Tim, again,

464
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 1: Tim doesn't we have chickens run around all the place.

465
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 1: He doesn't attack. We think it was where we feed

466
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 1: tim So we think there was a skirmish around the food.

467
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 1: So the captain is dead, and that is why Mr

468
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 1: Nucomla wrote a song about it. Story. Hey, the song

469
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 1: goes a little something like this, Old Captain, no captain,

470
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 1: your fearful trip is done, Old captain, no captain, No,

471
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 1: where have you gone? We'll miss your money crows more

472
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: than you'll ever know, but we won't miss jus fer.

473
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 1: That's right. Once shepherd shot you with the bow. Once

474
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 1: we had to amputate your toe. When that lamb hit

475
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 1: you on the head, lying in the field, we watched

476
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 1: you raise from the dead, Old captain, Old captain, your

477
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 1: fearful trip has done everybody. Oh captain, oh captain, and

478
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: a where have you gone? Will miss your mighty crow

479
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 1: more than you'll ever know, But we won't miss jo spurs.

480
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 1: We never thought your life would come to an end.

481
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 1: We thought you were immortal, my friend. We found your

482
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 1: feathers by where we beat him your careful I will

483
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: finally god him aware never captain, captain, your fare trip

484
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 1: is done, Old captain, old captain, Oh where have you gone?

485
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 1: We'll miss your mighty grow more than you'll ever know,

486
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 1: but we won miss those close who finished appropriate appropriate tribute?

487
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 1: Hey snake bit great podcast? Would you like about it? Josh? Well,

488
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: you know, I was talking to somebody today. I don't

489
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 1: walk around on with with too much of a fear

490
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 1: of of too many things. Like I don't get scared

491
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 1: about like venomous spiders. I mean, we got brown recluses

492
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:09,839
Speaker 1: in our house, and I mean the people that come

493
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 1: and visit. It's not like they run around, but they're

494
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:14,879
Speaker 1: everywhere around here. Uh. You know, black widows, you see

495
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,319
Speaker 1: them all the time. You know, dogs, Like I don't

496
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 1: get scared around dogs. But there is something about snakes.

497
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,080
Speaker 1: And I remember reading a story when I was a kid,

498
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:25,880
Speaker 1: and the reader's digest about this this boy that was

499
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: running through the woods and he jumps over this little

500
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 1: creek and steps on this stick and the stick ends

501
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 1: up being a big rattlesnake and bites him, and he,

502
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,800
Speaker 1: you know, just barely escapes with his life. And I remember, like,

503
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 1: even as a grown man, like I've spent a lot

504
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,720
Speaker 1: of time in the woods, I won't walk through a field.

505
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,399
Speaker 1: I'll choose not to walk through a fields sometimes because

506
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: I'm leery of snakes. So but it it there is

507
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 1: there's definitely like an emotional response you have so hearing

508
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 1: people talk about that is is it was? It was good,

509
00:34:56,080 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 1: It was very it was very emotion evoking. What was

510
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 1: your favorite section? So? To me, what I liked about

511
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:06,360
Speaker 1: this podcast was the diversity of the interviews because it

512
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 1: was like lighthearted and kind of funny with Brandon, with

513
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:14,040
Speaker 1: my dad, and then straight up crazy with Mr Fred

514
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,800
Speaker 1: It was like my new best friend, and then it

515
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 1: went to like super serious at the end. What was

516
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 1: your Honestly, I have to say probably the most impacting

517
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 1: part to me was the story at the end and

518
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 1: I and and I'm always I'm always a like a

519
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 1: student of I don't know if a student is the

520
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 1: right word, but I love to observe people and the

521
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 1: way they respond to things. And to hear this woman

522
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 1: who this on the outside, this tragic situation horrific. You know,

523
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: the thing you would never wish on your enemy to

524
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 1: happen to her, but to her to talk about it

525
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 1: and the way that she processed through it, and then

526
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 1: to to to say, you know, there were days when

527
00:35:57,719 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: I didn't want to get out of bed because it

528
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 1: was scared about snakes on the or to coming to

529
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 1: this point of resolution inside of herself to say, this

530
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,320
Speaker 1: tragic thing happened to me, but I'm not going to

531
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 1: allow it to define the way that I lived my

532
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 1: life from this point on. That was very impacted to me. Yeah, yeah,

533
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: I agree. That was my favorite part. To you. I

534
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 1: thought she was inspirational. Yeah, just her story, how she

535
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 1: processed it and just how she moved forward with her

536
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 1: life and no sense anybody or unusual. Yeah. Like I

537
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 1: listened to that interview just like you guys did. Like

538
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 1: I didn't do that interview, Chris, Dr Chris Jenkins did,

539
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 1: which I owe him a big thank you, and and

540
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 1: I told him that many times he interviewed he knew

541
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 1: that woman or it didn't know her well, but you know,

542
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 1: he knew of her story and he was like, man, Clay,

543
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 1: if we could get this lady to tell her story

544
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 1: and be really good, And he worked with her and

545
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 1: got the story. So when I listened to the story,

546
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:58,439
Speaker 1: I was like shocked at just her demeanor, Like and yeah,

547
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:00,040
Speaker 1: he came into the house and talked about it. He

548
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 1: was like, do you know what I did today? And

549
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: he told me about here, and like it was impacting. Yeah,

550
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,800
Speaker 1: it's not not normal, but what do you think man, Like,

551
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 1: you know, the part that stuck out to me was

552
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 1: when you were talking to one of the experts and

553
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 1: he was talking about how how we respond to snakes

554
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 1: is a learned trait um, And I think that's that's

555
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,320
Speaker 1: kind of really impactful. That's something that just if you

556
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: think about, there's many things that we do inside of

557
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:27,759
Speaker 1: life that I learned, right this, it's not right or wrong,

558
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 1: but it's a learned traite, and so how how we

559
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:33,280
Speaker 1: are how we respond to snakes is something that's learned.

560
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 1: And then to see like that crazy guy, it's like

561
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 1: he's a learned trait that he can get bit and

562
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 1: it's not gonna not gonna happen, and nothing's gonna happen

563
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 1: to him. And then you hear that woman like she

564
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 1: learned to get over her fear of snakes and be

565
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 1: able to sit next to one in that interview. So

566
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 1: I think that that's the part that I like. Now

567
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 1: you don't have much background, Yeah, that's what that was.

568
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,240
Speaker 1: As I was listening to the podcast, it was almost

569
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 1: like less relevant to me because I didn't grow up

570
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:02,799
Speaker 1: walking through fields, I didn't grow up hunting, I didn't

571
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 1: grow up with a lot of exposure to snakes, so

572
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 1: I don't really have this extreme emotion. I don't would

573
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,359
Speaker 1: say to snakes. And if I see a rattlesnake, I'm

574
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 1: not stupid. But uh, we put three snakes in this

575
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 1: room for you today. Exactly what was the first venomous

576
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 1: snake you ever saw? Oh? And how I can't? I

577
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 1: can't remember the first one. I mean just ever since

578
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 1: I was born. Remember vividly. I was nine years old

579
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 1: and it was a coral snake. Coral snake in Texas.

580
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 1: Vividly remember it. Mr Fred Lalley has been dry it

581
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 1: by coral snake. I heard about that. Yeah, now I

582
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 1: don't remember the first one. The um so your mama, Mali,

583
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:49,560
Speaker 1: I didn't grow up telling you to watch out for

584
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: snakes in Midland, Texas. You know what? What's interesting so

585
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: that I wanted a nerd out on it, but there

586
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 1: was just too much. I actually cut out a ton

587
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 1: of stuff out of the podcast, like there's twice as

588
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 1: much um with Fred Lalley and with Chris Jenkins. Um,

589
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 1: there is a the dominant feature And Chris said this,

590
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 1: but when you understand the research projects, it's pretty interesting.

591
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:19,240
Speaker 1: The dominant reason we're afraid of snakes is learned behavior

592
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 1: from parents, like a toddler is not afraid of a snake, like,

593
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 1: so it's there. There is some genetic coating like, for instance,

594
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 1: like chimpanzees do show slight fear, too long, slithery type shapes.

595
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 1: They did. They do a lot of stuff with chimpanzees

596
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 1: and primates in general to try to see and a

597
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 1: but like a toddler. That's why if a toddler sees

598
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 1: a snake on the ground, they might just walk over

599
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 1: and grab it. How do you explain the cats and

600
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 1: the cucumbers come again, I honestly probably has. The entire

601
00:39:58,320 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 1: half of the servers on this planet are full of

602
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:07,399
Speaker 1: videos of cats and cucumber on the floor. Cucumber behind

603
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 1: the house. Cat was unaware. It turns around and sees it,

604
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 1: and it will shoot as much as you tarize your rooster.

605
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:15,439
Speaker 1: I'm surprised you haven't laid a cucumber on a cat

606
00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 1: before him and they think it's a snake, and they

607
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 1: jumped to heaven. You know they think it's a snake. Okay,

608
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 1: I made that part of the don't land bridge you

609
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 1: land bridge trap ship. I gotta tell one one story.

610
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 1: I one time one of my good friends was petrified

611
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 1: of snakes. It was when we were in high school,

612
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:43,879
Speaker 1: and we knew he was just like I mean, he'd

613
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 1: like punch in the face, you know, kind of scared

614
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 1: if you messed with him with a snake. And we

615
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 1: were working together on a peach orchard and on the

616
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 1: way to the peach orchard, I saw a big black

617
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 1: rat snake on the road and I got out and

618
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 1: caught it, and it was just the perfect setup. I

619
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 1: had a new toolbox in the back of the truck,

620
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 1: you know, the kind of straddles over the back of

621
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 1: your bed, and it was brand new, and so I

622
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 1: was going to his house and it was the kind

623
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 1: of thing where I'd be like, Adam, I got a

624
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 1: brand new toolbox. I put that big snake in that toolbox.

625
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,480
Speaker 1: Pull up to the peach orchard. He comes over and

626
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:19,839
Speaker 1: it's just like so natural. I was just like, look

627
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: at my toolbox. I picked that up yesterday. And he

628
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 1: was like, oh man, he jumps in the back of

629
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,160
Speaker 1: my truck. I probably got it. I was like, get

630
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 1: in there and I feel how that thing opens. And

631
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 1: he gets in there and opens it, and that snake

632
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,359
Speaker 1: is there and he comes on glued. It was great.

633
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 1: He absolutely came out, Um, Dan, what do you think.

634
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 1: I could not believe fred. I just couldn't believe his story.

635
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 1: And when when he was one of the first things

636
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,320
Speaker 1: he said was, well, I was ten years old and

637
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 1: I was forced feeding a pigmy rattles, and you were

638
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 1: sitting there like okay. I turned to get the other

639
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 1: leg and I was like, what in the world. It

640
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 1: was just his whole experience. And then another thing that

641
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:11,840
Speaker 1: I've just found super fascinating was when he was describing

642
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 1: driving down to Florida and stopping at those bridges and

643
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 1: you know, some guy on the phone, I'm sorry new ones,

644
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:20,839
Speaker 1: and hey, I could use some you know, I could

645
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 1: use some cotton mouse. And he was like, every other

646
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,320
Speaker 1: bridge I could pick up six seven cotton mouse, and

647
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, sorry what it was just nuts. But so

648
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 1: on the growing up on a farm, my grandpa would

649
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 1: regularly kill a copper head and bring it out and

650
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:38,959
Speaker 1: show it to us, or we'd see a rat snake

651
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 1: or a big kings you know, king snake, and it's

652
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 1: like those are good snakes, those are bad snakes. And

653
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 1: so we just had we were interacting with snakes all

654
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:49,720
Speaker 1: the time. It wasn't a big thing. But never once

655
00:42:49,880 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 1: would you catch now a grass snake or something like that.

656
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 1: We would catch and and have fun with, but you

657
00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 1: knew the bad ones at cotton Mouth would see him

658
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 1: in the creek. It was like you get out the

659
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 1: creek when you see cotton Yeah, yeah, you know, I

660
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 1: don't like this swimming creeks. And there's there's certain there's

661
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:10,399
Speaker 1: certain like characteristics that you know about certain snakes, like, oh,

662
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:12,840
Speaker 1: the cotton moules are aggressive, they'll come after you. You know,

663
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 1: everybody has heard that. Anybody knows anything about cotton moles

664
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 1: if they will jump out of the water and bite

665
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:21,320
Speaker 1: your eyes. You know, never seen one do that, No,

666
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 1: no one ever has. Yeah, so Fred Lally was kind

667
00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:28,439
Speaker 1: of a highlight. Yeah, it's really hearing his whole take

668
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:32,839
Speaker 1: on everything. I did. It hour and forty five minute

669
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 1: interview with him. We talked for that long. I mean

670
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:38,359
Speaker 1: there was so much that I had to take out.

671
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:44,439
Speaker 1: Does they have like snak paraphernali and stuff around this house? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,

672
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 1: he still probably has snakes, doesn't he know? He doesn't

673
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 1: have snakes? Right? Why? I mean, he just kind of

674
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,359
Speaker 1: just done with it. But he's got like he's got

675
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:58,479
Speaker 1: are they dried? Well, he's got lots of taxidermy snakes. Yeah.

676
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 1: But he I told people on the render that I

677
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 1: was gonna tell what happened when he got bit by

678
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 1: banded Egyptian cobra. He he just kind of threw that

679
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 1: one on. Do you remember in the render on the podcast,

680
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 1: I said, I'll tell you what happened. It was pretty standard.

681
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 1: I mean he uh, he was feeding it and his snake.

682
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 1: There's a new snake. And that's what the problem was.

683
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 1: They had acquainted with each other. He never gotten the

684
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: flute out yet. If with a banded Egyptian and you

685
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 1: just knew you just bumped into him. Yeah, that's how

686
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 1: they get you. Well okay. And the other thing was

687
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 1: is that I'm pretty sure he told me there were

688
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:45,960
Speaker 1: two of them in the same cage, so he was

689
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:55,280
Speaker 1: he's he may have been. Yeah, Maliki's got a banded

690
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 1: Egyptian cobra pulled up. Hey, okays, when Mr when Mr

691
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 1: Fred was telling me this story, this is what I imagined.

692
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 1: Have you ever do you know the unbeatable trick where

693
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 1: you do like this to somebody and then you slap

694
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 1: him in the face. You wiggle your fingers up in

695
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:11,839
Speaker 1: your right hand, and then when they look at your hand,

696
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: you slap him in the face with your left hand.

697
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 1: And then if they catch onto it and they go

698
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 1: to block because they know you're gonna come up with

699
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 1: the left, you hit him with the right. You can't

700
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:22,879
Speaker 1: beat it. Try to just try to beat it. Brent

701
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,800
Speaker 1: to Mr Fred with abandoned Egyptian Cobra's okay, he was

702
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 1: feeding one and this other one he just he said,

703
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 1: he just thought it was as I understood the story

704
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 1: to be told. He just thought because he was messing

705
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 1: with this one, that this one would be okay. And

706
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 1: I mean, you're talking about a guy that is just handled.

707
00:45:49,560 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 1: There was a time when he had he was this

708
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 1: is totally legal. This is in other states and other places.

709
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 1: Is full, It's totally legal. He had liked rattlesnakes one time,

710
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:09,440
Speaker 1: by them by the ton, what are you kidding me?

711
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 1: Real normal, And there's a ton of rattlesnakes, and um,

712
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 1: that's actually how he got into snakes as he was

713
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 1: he was a rattlesnake dealer. Do you you don't get

714
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 1: into snakes. I'm just started, I've never no, no, he

715
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 1: started dealing in rattlesnakes, and I mean people eat rattlesnakes.

716
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:47,720
Speaker 1: There's rattlesnake skin business for making boots, for making belts.

717
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:50,880
Speaker 1: It's like totally legal. There's ways that they extract them.

718
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 1: It's like hunting seasons. And basically he was dealing in

719
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 1: rattlesnakes and he would keep the real cool ones. So

720
00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 1: he get like he would he would keep the cool ones.

721
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 1: And he started realizing that people like to see the

722
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 1: neat rattlesnakes, like the two headed rattlesnakes. The white rattlesnakes

723
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:17,040
Speaker 1: is a common thing. For a two headed snakes, It's

724
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 1: a very uncommon. And that's why he he would like

725
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 1: travel across the country to go buy two headed rattlesnakes. Yeah,

726
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 1: and he's had several. But so anyway, this cobra bad

727
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:36,280
Speaker 1: him on the finger and hit him on the finger

728
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 1: and he goes to the hospital and like he always does, well,

729
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 1: he doesn't always go to the hospital, but when he

730
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 1: went to the hospital, he said, I would like to

731
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:49,719
Speaker 1: come sit in your waiting room and just be I

732
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:52,520
Speaker 1: just want so I'm not checking myself in, but I

733
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 1: want to let you guys know why I'm sitting in

734
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 1: your waiting room holding my hand. He said, I don't

735
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:01,720
Speaker 1: want an venom. But yeah, yeah, they just have banded cobra.

736
00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 1: Any venom laying around, well, I don't know. He so

737
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 1: he goes into the e er and they so he

738
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 1: basically says, I'm gonna deny the treatment, but I'd like

739
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 1: to stay here, and they tell him no, and so

740
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 1: he gets up and leaves and they call the police.

741
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 1: They called the police, and uh and he said the

742
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 1: police were looking for him in the town because like

743
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 1: as if he had done something like it was a

744
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 1: welfare concerns with that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

745
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 1: So anyway, that's how he got by a bandoned Egyptian cobra.

746
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 1: What what a story. Yeah, he's he's he's a very

747
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 1: nice guy, very very very knowledgeable just about he's fun

748
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 1: to talk to a lot of these people that you

749
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:55,400
Speaker 1: meet somehow you met them on the road. That's like,

750
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 1: I'm how much time do you just spend wondering the streets? Uh?

751
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 1: You right, it's a good question. Yeah, Clay says he's

752
00:49:02,640 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 1: going for a run and where he was like, okay,

753
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:08,920
Speaker 1: so here's some good stories tonight, see Brett, what was

754
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:11,839
Speaker 1: your favorite part? I learned a lot of stuff in there.

755
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 1: Who would have thought a rattlesnake would live to be

756
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 1: fifty years old? Oh? Man? Yeah, didn't that make you

757
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:18,880
Speaker 1: not want to kill that? I listened. I listened to

758
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:21,800
Speaker 1: it probably three times. I've heard myself tell that story

759
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 1: a million times, but I could only listen to the

760
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: end once I got through that one time. That was

761
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 1: that was very that lady. It's something she is to

762
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:36,799
Speaker 1: be applauded for being strong enough to tell that story.

763
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 1: I don't know if I could. Yeah, yeah, I was so.

764
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:42,280
Speaker 1: I was so surprised that she was. I kept waiting

765
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 1: for that. I start to get better, the story to

766
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:46,960
Speaker 1: get better, and it got worse the longer it win.

767
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,280
Speaker 1: But I learned a lot of stuff from from listening

768
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 1: to Chris and I listened. You know, I've listened to

769
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 1: the snake talk before. Yeah, and uh, but uh, a

770
00:49:56,080 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 1: fifty year old snake? That is that's unreal. But you know,

771
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 1: I grew up catching snakes. You know that me getting

772
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 1: bit was that was probably easily over a hundred snakes

773
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 1: I'd ever caught, and nothing ever happened. And then one

774
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 1: time you know it, and the one time to me.

775
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 1: But I never, you know, I never. I was telling

776
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 1: somebody earlier that I don't. I don't never look for snakes.

777
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 1: When I worked in the woods before I got old

778
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:33,920
Speaker 1: enough to be a police officer and and do go

779
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 1: that route. Um, I worked in the woods managing timber,

780
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:43,000
Speaker 1: and you know, we'd find rattlesnakes. My friends, we find rattlesnakes,

781
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:45,840
Speaker 1: but it was never you know, like riding up on

782
00:50:45,880 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: them on the Cowboy movie and they're cold up over there,

783
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 1: just waiting to strike somebody. Now, they were all stretched

784
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 1: out like what Chris was talking about. Except there was

785
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 1: one occasion. We were working in the woods painting some

786
00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 1: land lines and there was a mound, a little mound

787
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:03,520
Speaker 1: of dirt, probably thirty ft away from this line. It

788
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:06,040
Speaker 1: was four of us, two of us that were chopping

789
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 1: the trees and two of us that were painting and

790
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 1: marking the different um or the border between two property owners.

791
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:16,920
Speaker 1: And there was a rousnake over there that was striking

792
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 1: it every time that we would move, and he was,

793
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 1: like I said, or thirty ft away. It was the

794
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:25,400
Speaker 1: most aggressive thing I've ever seen striking When you were

795
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:30,799
Speaker 1: thirty ft away. Absolutely was the he was something man.

796
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 1: It was, it was, and he was big. It was

797
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 1: a big ratutlesnake. Biggs and I were seen was probably

798
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 1: almost six ft. You ever seen the diamondback in Arkansas?

799
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 1: I have not known. H Okay, I got jet so

800
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:52,040
Speaker 1: James Lawrence, Um, James Lawrence one time on I want

801
00:51:52,080 --> 00:52:00,120
Speaker 1: to say November in the sixties killed a six I'm

802
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 1: gonna say it was five ft plus, but I'm pretty

803
00:52:02,920 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 1: sure he says it was six ft diamondback rattlesnake uh

804
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:12,400
Speaker 1: in Arkansas, which is rare. Look at that. That's a dandy.

805
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:15,800
Speaker 1: That's a dandy. Brent shown me a picture of a

806
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:20,919
Speaker 1: big old rattlesnake timp. So I've never seen a diving

807
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:24,400
Speaker 1: back rattlesnake in Arkansas, but there's reports of them, and

808
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 1: I often if you tell me you've seen a divonback

809
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:32,759
Speaker 1: rattlesnake in Arkansas, be be prepared to feel my my

810
00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:37,880
Speaker 1: feel the dozer dozer, because I'll be like, you know

811
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:40,400
Speaker 1: you didn't So James Lawrence told me this. And for

812
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 1: those of you who wouldn't, you know, James Lawrence is

813
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:45,360
Speaker 1: one of my heroes. I mean, I believed him. But

814
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 1: he just told me that one day and I was

815
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 1: just kind of okay, We're looking through a photo album

816
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 1: two months ago, and I'll be dad gum, there's a

817
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 1: six ft diamondback rattlesnake laid across the hood of like

818
00:52:57,120 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 1: his you know, nineteen sixty five bronch, you know, sure enough.

819
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 1: But the cool thing was is that he maybe not cool.

820
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 1: The unique thing was that he killed it on late November.

821
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 1: He said it was there was a frost on the

822
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 1: ground and he set on the ground deer hunting and

823
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:16,799
Speaker 1: the thing was coiled up, I mean within he could

824
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 1: have reached out and touched it, setting on a rock

825
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 1: sun and he said there was like a beam of

826
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 1: sun coming hit in this rock. And anyway, he killed it. Uh,

827
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 1: kind of about it. The first time I ever saw

828
00:53:27,239 --> 00:53:30,799
Speaker 1: someone handle of enomous snake was Mr Clay Nicol. Oh

829
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:34,319
Speaker 1: really yeah, Oh, driving driving out and seeing a big,

830
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 1: big old copper head going across the road and I

831
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:44,040
Speaker 1: remember lying locking up the charging out of the jeep

832
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 1: and grabbing the stick and pinning its head down and

833
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, what are you doing? He's like, I want

834
00:53:49,080 --> 00:53:52,319
Speaker 1: to check the snake out, man, And yeah. Yeah, that's

835
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:54,880
Speaker 1: how at all starts. The next time. You know, he

836
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:56,919
Speaker 1: looks like you got a baseball mid on your left hand.

837
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 1: You know. My family, that was the one thing that

838
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 1: gave them pause about me about that was it, can

839
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:09,359
Speaker 1: you believe that they really like to play a bare

840
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 1: handed snake snatcher down where I came from. I mean,

841
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:17,759
Speaker 1: I'm serious, I thought they. I thought you're gonna say

842
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:22,399
Speaker 1: that once once my pastor from the pulpit called me out.

843
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:24,840
Speaker 1: I mean, like not, he wasn't giving me in trouble.

844
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 1: He was he wasn't. He wasn't. I wasn't in trouble.

845
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 1: He just was in his sermon and he said, there's

846
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 1: some people in this church that like the catch snakes

847
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 1: with their hands. And everybody looked at me. Did they

848
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:52,239
Speaker 1: call you Tatana Boa on the phone two ft loud?

849
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:55,879
Speaker 1: There's not too many snakes that could eat a person.

850
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:59,320
Speaker 1: Well there was. I was like, that's the podcast I

851
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:09,920
Speaker 1: want to hear. Wait, I'm going Malika is like our

852
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 1: fact checker. Malik. I was sitting over there, like wondering

853
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 1: if anything we've said. He's like, I'm from Texas. I

854
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 1: don't believe this. I find out when that thing was

855
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 1: a lot like the the last one Arkansas and County

856
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:32,759
Speaker 1: to sixty million years ago. Oh wow, came over on

857
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 1: the land bridge. It was it had a tail on

858
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 1: camp chat his head in Alaska. Um, let's see, Missy,

859
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 1: what was your general impression of the podcast? I thought

860
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 1: it was good. I wasn't really sure how you were

861
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 1: going to pull off a snake podcast and make it

862
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 1: interesting and and you know, meaningful. I really wasn't sure

863
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:00,800
Speaker 1: how interest think it would be to me, But I

864
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 1: thought it was interesting. I thought, um, like everybody said,

865
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:07,000
Speaker 1: the lady story at the end had a human component. Dude,

866
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 1: that was almost that was tough to handle, but really

867
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:14,239
Speaker 1: admirable in terms of how she how she handled it.

868
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 1: And in that sense, I thought it was really really valuable.

869
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 1: And and I'm kind of like Maliki. I was interested

870
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:24,239
Speaker 1: in them the human elements of it. But also I

871
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 1: thought it was interesting when he went through the list

872
00:56:26,120 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 1: of things not to do with snakes. Yeah, with snake bites,

873
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:36,760
Speaker 1: I for sure would have died. Yeah, cutting and sing

874
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:42,840
Speaker 1: when I got bit Like when I got to the

875
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:46,320
Speaker 1: emergency room, the doctor, my family doctor happened to be

876
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:49,360
Speaker 1: there and we had they we had stopped a deputy

877
00:56:49,400 --> 00:56:51,400
Speaker 1: sheriff and informed on what was going on, you know,

878
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:53,960
Speaker 1: and to call the hospital and let him know we

879
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:55,719
Speaker 1: were coming. So when we got there, it's just like

880
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:58,799
Speaker 1: Chris was saying, you know, call ahead. We got there,

881
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:00,759
Speaker 1: they were standing at the door waite first at the

882
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:03,319
Speaker 1: r and my family doctor was there and he said,

883
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:06,360
Speaker 1: are you allergic to anything? So I can't think anything

884
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 1: you're allergic to? I said, I'm not allergic to anything

885
00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:11,320
Speaker 1: that I knew of. So they gave me that that

886
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:14,239
Speaker 1: any venom. But the first thing that he did was

887
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:16,320
Speaker 1: he put my hand in a bag of as for

888
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:18,880
Speaker 1: about fifteen minutes. Then he pulled it out and took

889
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 1: a scalpel like John Wayne, and that's the that's the

890
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 1: scar that you see on my phone. He cut an

891
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 1: X on there and squeezed my hand like he was

892
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:32,919
Speaker 1: milking a cow really and pushing blood and venom out. Yeah,

893
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 1: that's the first thing. Because so what do you think?

894
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 1: Do you think that was like not good medical practice?

895
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 1: But for nineteen seven, that was I he went to

896
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 1: medical school. I I can only attribute that I'm got

897
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 1: my thumb today and it's working by what he did,

898
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:53,520
Speaker 1: because he got the swelling guy. He got me with

899
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 1: one thing and my hand got so big that they

900
00:57:57,360 --> 00:58:00,680
Speaker 1: thought they would have to cook cut and uh, I

901
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 1: can't hear what you call that, but they make cuts

902
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 1: in the top of it to relieve the pressure because

903
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:07,400
Speaker 1: they thought the skin was gonna tear open, and that

904
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:10,120
Speaker 1: would have caused you know, a lot of data. But

905
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 1: if they said, you know, we're giving it thirty more minutes,

906
00:58:13,320 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 1: it's got to start going down or we're gonna do that.

907
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:19,360
Speaker 1: And this was over like six hours, and then it

908
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 1: but it started going back down and he went all

909
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:25,920
Speaker 1: the way up to my bicep. You know, I'll tell

910
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 1: you when I stopped catching snakes was when I got

911
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 1: a family and hardly had a lick of health insurance,

912
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 1: if none, there were large spans of our life when

913
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 1: we had none. Not because we chose that, but because

914
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 1: and I remember when I had my kids, really I

915
00:58:45,960 --> 00:58:48,840
Speaker 1: caught snakes. The kids have seen me catch quite a few,

916
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 1: been in the snakes. But at one point I was like,

917
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 1: you know what, this may not be the smartest thing

918
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:56,640
Speaker 1: for you to be doing, because I thought I'm gonna

919
00:58:56,680 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 1: get bit by a snake messing around with it and

920
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:02,560
Speaker 1: not going to be able to work because you know,

921
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 1: back when I was working, before I was playing music professional,

922
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:16,840
Speaker 1: two doses of any venom cost three dollars, so I

923
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 1: would be interested to know what it what it costed. Hey,

924
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:25,800
Speaker 1: so I list somebody Isaac Neil, my friend Isaac Neil, Missouri,

925
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 1: the photographer. Um, he sent me podcast. And don't be

926
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:33,720
Speaker 1: tempted to send me a podcast. But I did listen

927
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 1: to the podcast Isaac sent me, Um, just because I

928
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:38,840
Speaker 1: had a long road trip and it was about ana

929
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:42,120
Speaker 1: venoms And do you all know how anta venom is made?

930
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:46,200
Speaker 1: This horse? Sam is Well, see, I would I could

931
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:48,120
Speaker 1: have repeated that, but I really wouldn't have known what

932
00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:51,400
Speaker 1: that meant. Okay, So the way they make ana venom

933
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 1: is that there is a place here in the United States. Um,

934
00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:59,360
Speaker 1: they have a hundred and fifty horses, and they have

935
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:05,040
Speaker 1: all the possible venomous snakes that people in the areas

936
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:09,680
Speaker 1: they're servicing could could be bit by. Okay, and let's

937
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:11,200
Speaker 1: say it's not even the United States. I mean there's

938
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:15,400
Speaker 1: there's probably well that's I got questions about that. I

939
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:20,960
Speaker 1: don't know, because but basically they take actual snakes, get

940
01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:24,800
Speaker 1: venom from the snakes. Like a specific snake of rattlesnake

941
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:29,120
Speaker 1: copper head, and then they inject small doses into a

942
01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:31,920
Speaker 1: horse and it actually makes them swell up and get

943
01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:34,240
Speaker 1: a little bit sick. And then they do that for

944
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:39,120
Speaker 1: three weeks and then they extract like so much blood

945
01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:43,040
Speaker 1: out of that horse and you know X, you know,

946
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:47,120
Speaker 1: one horse can produce x numbers of doses of ana

947
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:48,920
Speaker 1: venom and it's not very much. I mean, it's like

948
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:53,040
Speaker 1: fifteen doses of ana venom for like, you know, like

949
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:56,080
Speaker 1: this session with his horse, you know, and so and

950
01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:58,840
Speaker 1: basically when you and they treat it in some of

951
01:00:58,920 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 1: the way, it's not like a blood transfusion. They do

952
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:03,440
Speaker 1: one more thing to it, or maybe a lot more,

953
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:06,600
Speaker 1: but basically it is horse blood and and it has

954
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:09,640
Speaker 1: built an antibody too small amounts of that venom, and

955
01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:13,600
Speaker 1: a horse's blood is enough like human blood that it

956
01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:15,240
Speaker 1: just kind of goes in. It's like, hey, we're on

957
01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:17,800
Speaker 1: the same team. We both got hair and feed our

958
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 1: baby's milk, and so they it and and basically that

959
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:28,600
Speaker 1: is antivenom. And the point of this podcast that I

960
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:34,240
Speaker 1: listened to that Isaac Neil sent me was that it's

961
01:01:34,520 --> 01:01:38,400
Speaker 1: we've been doing that process for like over a hundred years,

962
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:42,439
Speaker 1: like the medical technology basically has increased, so now they're

963
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:47,600
Speaker 1: doing studies on chemical anti venoms. And it was pretty,

964
01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:50,560
Speaker 1: it was pretty The podcast was Okay, uh you can,

965
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:55,760
Speaker 1: you could. I'm not gonna say the name of no Um,

966
01:01:56,760 --> 01:02:07,160
Speaker 1: but it was true that basically snake venom is is

967
01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:11,600
Speaker 1: truly and they said it a nefarious chemical compound that

968
01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 1: has lots and lots of wild things that go into

969
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:18,320
Speaker 1: your body that makes I mean, it has like real

970
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:20,480
Speaker 1: strategic things, like there's a part of it it's designed

971
01:02:20,520 --> 01:02:22,360
Speaker 1: to shut down your brain. There's a part of it

972
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:24,600
Speaker 1: that's designed to shut down your muscles. There's a part

973
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:28,040
Speaker 1: of it that's designed to, you know, make your feet

974
01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:30,680
Speaker 1: turn backwards, so so when you think you're going forward,

975
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:32,880
Speaker 1: you're going backwards. That's a joke that didn't happen. But

976
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:37,560
Speaker 1: like basically, one one snake, misty like that um, one

977
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:42,959
Speaker 1: type of snake might have many things that that venom does,

978
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:47,520
Speaker 1: and so you have to if you're making a chemical,

979
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:51,640
Speaker 1: you have to find a solution for each one of

980
01:02:51,720 --> 01:02:58,640
Speaker 1: those problems. You see, So it's super complex. Backwards feet, yes, no,

981
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:00,840
Speaker 1: but what so with the to venom with a horse,

982
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:05,840
Speaker 1: like the horse did all the work typical western humans.

983
01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:13,320
Speaker 1: How much it costs three worth now? Is seven hundred

984
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:22,040
Speaker 1: and seventy seven and seven? Is that what venom costs now? Inflation?

985
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:27,200
Speaker 1: Just inflation. I'm curious what what it would cost. I

986
01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:34,040
Speaker 1: bet it's beyond that six grand. The other thing that

987
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:40,840
Speaker 1: what I didn't talk about too much, well, I did

988
01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:42,560
Speaker 1: talk about it. Misty said that, you know, how are

989
01:03:42,600 --> 01:03:44,680
Speaker 1: we going to make a podcast that was like interesting

990
01:03:44,760 --> 01:03:49,560
Speaker 1: about snakes and stuff? Man? Snakes. I said it in

991
01:03:49,640 --> 01:03:55,000
Speaker 1: the podcast at the beginning. Snakes are a incredible and

992
01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:59,840
Speaker 1: unique component that is a cog in the wheel of

993
01:03:59,880 --> 01:04:03,640
Speaker 1: the human experience. And I mean it's just true. They

994
01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:05,960
Speaker 1: they I mean you think of all these other animals,

995
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:08,960
Speaker 1: I mean, a snake just it just plays this part.

996
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:13,440
Speaker 1: And I every time all these podcasts that it might

997
01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:16,160
Speaker 1: feel like they're like really scripted. I didn't write that

998
01:04:16,320 --> 01:04:20,160
Speaker 1: conclusion until the end, like till like twenty minutes before

999
01:04:20,200 --> 01:04:22,520
Speaker 1: I was done with a podcast, because I really was like,

1000
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:25,760
Speaker 1: what did I learn from this? And I thought about

1001
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:32,240
Speaker 1: Genesis chapter one, and I thought about the serpent deceiving

1002
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:40,000
Speaker 1: the woman and that ultimately ended up being a pathway.

1003
01:04:40,080 --> 01:04:43,960
Speaker 1: There's a redemptive side to that, because you know, and

1004
01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:48,840
Speaker 1: I do believe the Bible. It taught us to learn

1005
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:51,880
Speaker 1: to obey God. I mean, God said don't eat the fruit.

1006
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:56,240
Speaker 1: Snake says eat the fruit. It's okay, just eat the fruit. Man.

1007
01:04:57,800 --> 01:05:03,160
Speaker 1: Every mother except from Alchi's mom, she's still good. She

1008
01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:08,560
Speaker 1: was warning about other stuff, so it didn't have to

1009
01:05:08,600 --> 01:05:15,760
Speaker 1: be a snake, but not really like jujue warning. It's

1010
01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:19,720
Speaker 1: like taught me to pay attention, and that warning was

1011
01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:23,640
Speaker 1: easy for me to go. She's right. If she said, Clay,

1012
01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:26,840
Speaker 1: don't you pick up that basketball? Don't pick I mean

1013
01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:29,440
Speaker 1: that would be kind of like a hard thing to be, Like,

1014
01:05:29,600 --> 01:05:32,280
Speaker 1: come on, I can pick up the basketball. It's not

1015
01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:34,280
Speaker 1: that big a deal. She tells me not to touch

1016
01:05:34,360 --> 01:05:36,400
Speaker 1: that snake, and I get over there and I feel

1017
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:38,800
Speaker 1: a little chill come up my spine. I see that

1018
01:05:38,840 --> 01:05:42,520
Speaker 1: sucker strike. I'm like, she is a smart woman. I mean,

1019
01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:45,840
Speaker 1: I'm it's nuanced, but I think it's deep and I

1020
01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:50,160
Speaker 1: think it's real. Is that the negative things are very

1021
01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:53,760
Speaker 1: strategically placed in our life for a purpose. And so

1022
01:05:54,120 --> 01:05:57,040
Speaker 1: there's two components. There's two like there's this metaphorical snake

1023
01:05:57,120 --> 01:06:00,960
Speaker 1: I'm talking about now of like how the challenging things,

1024
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:05,240
Speaker 1: the things that can kill us, actually become key identifiers

1025
01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:08,080
Speaker 1: for the positive side of who we are. So you

1026
01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:10,520
Speaker 1: wouldn't look at Clay and be like, Clay is who

1027
01:06:10,560 --> 01:06:14,240
Speaker 1: he is because of snakes his mother. But I am

1028
01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:16,200
Speaker 1: who I am because I learned to obey my mom,

1029
01:06:16,320 --> 01:06:18,800
Speaker 1: I obeyed my dad. I mean, like much of my

1030
01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:23,600
Speaker 1: life was shaped by these people, and I find that

1031
01:06:23,640 --> 01:06:26,080
Speaker 1: to be true in a lot of life. But sometimes

1032
01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:29,680
Speaker 1: people become defined by the negative things. So you know,

1033
01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:33,320
Speaker 1: that's like the whole like metaphorical side of of this snake.

1034
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:36,240
Speaker 1: If we're looking at this snake is as something bigger

1035
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:38,840
Speaker 1: than an actual reptile, but when we're talking about an

1036
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:44,120
Speaker 1: actual reptile, I love snakes and so on the conservation

1037
01:06:44,240 --> 01:06:46,080
Speaker 1: side of what I was trying to do was just

1038
01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:48,200
Speaker 1: continue to tell people like you don't have to kill

1039
01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:51,400
Speaker 1: every snake you see. Um, you know, the only snake

1040
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:53,160
Speaker 1: I would kill, and I'll just be honest, is that

1041
01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:55,320
Speaker 1: if there was a big rattlesnake in my yard, like

1042
01:06:56,960 --> 01:06:59,400
Speaker 1: I'm actually I wouldn't kill him. I'd catch him and

1043
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:01,520
Speaker 1: take him some where. I take him out in the mountains.

1044
01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:05,600
Speaker 1: If you know the right snake in the right place,

1045
01:07:06,040 --> 01:07:08,320
Speaker 1: you know, I would kill in my yard. That's it.

1046
01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:11,200
Speaker 1: That's it. You had a big one in your yard

1047
01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:14,400
Speaker 1: in town, didn't you. Two years ago? Bent reeves he

1048
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:19,800
Speaker 1: sleeps with the fishes, didn't make b lives in kind

1049
01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:22,600
Speaker 1: of a subdivision type area. I live right at the

1050
01:07:22,640 --> 01:07:26,720
Speaker 1: beginning of subdivision. Right across from where I live is

1051
01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:31,400
Speaker 1: three or four acres of woods and a big hay field,

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01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:33,600
Speaker 1: and they've been cutting hay out there. This was in

1053
01:07:33,680 --> 01:07:38,520
Speaker 1: September because we were we were baiting. We were baiting

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01:07:38,600 --> 01:07:42,600
Speaker 1: bears then and uh I had come in and a

1055
01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:44,440
Speaker 1: neighbor comes up, knocks on the door, say, hey man,

1056
01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:47,320
Speaker 1: you got a gun. I'm like, do I need one.

1057
01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:52,120
Speaker 1: He's like, we got a big, big snake. Yeah, he says,

1058
01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:54,800
Speaker 1: we gets a big rattlesnake out in yard. And I'm thinking, okay,

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01:07:55,160 --> 01:07:58,360
Speaker 1: there's not a rattlesnake out in my yard, not where

1060
01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:01,000
Speaker 1: I live. And I go I side and he wasn't kidding.

1061
01:08:01,040 --> 01:08:03,280
Speaker 1: It was a huge raft snake in my yard. Well,

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01:08:03,760 --> 01:08:06,560
Speaker 1: I'll and at that time Bailey was six, little girl

1063
01:08:06,640 --> 01:08:09,880
Speaker 1: was six, So you know, across the road he's good

1064
01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:12,200
Speaker 1: to go. He can't. He can't live in my yard.

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01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:14,400
Speaker 1: So that was the end of him. And a matter

1066
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:17,680
Speaker 1: of I talked to Chris Jenkins about that, and Chris said, uh,

1067
01:08:18,160 --> 01:08:21,040
Speaker 1: you probably didn't error too far there. Yeah, I mean

1068
01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:24,280
Speaker 1: there's a place for that, but in general, and I

1069
01:08:24,439 --> 01:08:25,960
Speaker 1: know you, if you were out in the mountains, you

1070
01:08:25,960 --> 01:08:29,759
Speaker 1: wouldn't kill a snake. I mean, so I hate rats

1071
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:32,599
Speaker 1: too much to kill a snake. It's true, It's true.

1072
01:08:32,680 --> 01:08:36,800
Speaker 1: That's that's that is My identifier with a snake is

1073
01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:39,479
Speaker 1: that he's going to get rid of the rat problem. Rats.

1074
01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:45,479
Speaker 1: I don't do rats, don't do rats. Same same. Hey,

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01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:48,160
Speaker 1: before you close off, I've got a snake story about

1076
01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:50,200
Speaker 1: you getting bit and I'm gonna tell it right now,

1077
01:08:50,280 --> 01:08:52,920
Speaker 1: so you can cut it out if you want. Okay,

1078
01:08:53,560 --> 01:08:57,000
Speaker 1: it's a shepherd when he's a little boy. Had Clay

1079
01:08:57,040 --> 01:08:59,720
Speaker 1: got bit my snake? Not And it wasn't like a

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01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:02,240
Speaker 1: a bad wasn't a venomous snake. Yeah, And it didn't

1081
01:09:02,240 --> 01:09:04,479
Speaker 1: make the podcast. But Clay once got bit by snake,

1082
01:09:05,320 --> 01:09:08,280
Speaker 1: which bit by lots of snakes, just not venomous from one,

1083
01:09:08,280 --> 01:09:10,240
Speaker 1: all right, So he got bit by a snake and

1084
01:09:10,320 --> 01:09:13,599
Speaker 1: Shepherd was real, real interested in that. That that really

1085
01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:15,960
Speaker 1: caught his attention, and he would tell people made my

1086
01:09:16,040 --> 01:09:18,920
Speaker 1: finger bleed. Yeah, it made his finger bleed, and Shepherd

1087
01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:21,880
Speaker 1: wanted to tell everyone he saw about it. Shepherd also

1088
01:09:22,479 --> 01:09:24,920
Speaker 1: had a speech impediment at that age, and so he

1089
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:27,720
Speaker 1: would run around and say, my daddy got bitten the

1090
01:09:27,800 --> 01:09:38,400
Speaker 1: dinger by snake, says Inger. We carried him around a

1091
01:09:38,479 --> 01:09:41,960
Speaker 1: little had a little cut on my bomb where this

1092
01:09:42,120 --> 01:09:45,280
Speaker 1: big black rat snake bit me on thumb. And we

1093
01:09:45,400 --> 01:09:49,040
Speaker 1: would takes Shepherd around and we would say tell them.

1094
01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:51,160
Speaker 1: Misty would say, tell them what happened to your daddy,

1095
01:09:52,040 --> 01:09:54,320
Speaker 1: And he would say, he said, my daddy got bit

1096
01:09:54,439 --> 01:10:09,040
Speaker 1: right on the dinger. He sna my daddy's ginger finger finger. Hey,

1097
01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:13,240
Speaker 1: I will tell one more snake story my Once, when

1098
01:10:13,280 --> 01:10:15,479
Speaker 1: I was in high school, I was driving my brother's

1099
01:10:17,000 --> 01:10:20,320
Speaker 1: Missubishi Eclipse, which at the time was like a really

1100
01:10:20,479 --> 01:10:26,840
Speaker 1: sweet like black tinted windows, like a like a multidisc

1101
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:30,439
Speaker 1: CD changer. He was like cool, Sky knew I was

1102
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:34,559
Speaker 1: never that cool. I drove like beat up trucks and stuff. Um,

1103
01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:38,519
Speaker 1: he let me drive his Missubishi Eclipse. I was coming

1104
01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:42,479
Speaker 1: home and I saw a big copper head that had

1105
01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:45,120
Speaker 1: been hit right on the tip of his tail on

1106
01:10:45,240 --> 01:10:48,400
Speaker 1: the road. And I mean the snake was like fully alive,

1107
01:10:48,479 --> 01:10:51,840
Speaker 1: but he had been hit. And so I it was dark,

1108
01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:55,800
Speaker 1: slammed on the brakes, I was by myself, got out,

1109
01:10:56,600 --> 01:10:59,240
Speaker 1: caught the snake, but I had to drive home, and

1110
01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:03,360
Speaker 1: it was a standard stick shift. I got the snake

1111
01:11:03,439 --> 01:11:06,400
Speaker 1: in one hand. I gotta drive with a stick shift

1112
01:11:06,439 --> 01:11:09,840
Speaker 1: and the standard And also I didn't have anything to

1113
01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:11,639
Speaker 1: put the snake in, but I wanted to bring it home.

1114
01:11:11,720 --> 01:11:15,160
Speaker 1: Show Gary nukelem and uh because it was a big one.

1115
01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:19,080
Speaker 1: And uh, so I just I decided that I didn't

1116
01:11:19,200 --> 01:11:22,080
Speaker 1: want it in the car with me because you know,

1117
01:11:22,120 --> 01:11:24,000
Speaker 1: if it got loose in the dark while I was

1118
01:11:24,120 --> 01:11:28,040
Speaker 1: driving in my lap, that could be a problem. So

1119
01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:32,040
Speaker 1: I drove with that copper head hanging out the window,

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01:11:32,760 --> 01:11:35,639
Speaker 1: and I drove with one hand and I would shift.

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01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:37,360
Speaker 1: You know, you just grab a gear real quick and

1122
01:11:37,400 --> 01:11:40,040
Speaker 1: put your hand back on the wheel. Shift, grab a gear,

1123
01:11:40,120 --> 01:11:42,799
Speaker 1: put your hand on the wheel. The snake is flapping

1124
01:11:42,840 --> 01:11:44,680
Speaker 1: out the window. I drove all the way home with

1125
01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:48,400
Speaker 1: that snake flapping out the window. Get home, take the

1126
01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:51,200
Speaker 1: you know, show Gary we got a picture of I

1127
01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:53,719
Speaker 1: got a picture of that snake, me holding that snake,

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01:11:54,280 --> 01:11:57,439
Speaker 1: and uh it got snake blood on the side of

1129
01:11:57,520 --> 01:12:01,800
Speaker 1: the car. And that snake blood ever came out. It

1130
01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:04,320
Speaker 1: was as if you had put like lacquer thinner on

1131
01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:08,920
Speaker 1: the car. And Zach Nukelem was upset with me for time. Yeah,

1132
01:12:09,040 --> 01:12:13,040
Speaker 1: he was. That was black Mitsubishi Eclipse exactly and it

1133
01:12:13,320 --> 01:12:17,160
Speaker 1: forever had this like cloudy section of paint where that

1134
01:12:17,320 --> 01:12:20,639
Speaker 1: snake blood did something to the paint. Well, we're going

1135
01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:22,840
Speaker 1: fly fishing this weekend, me and Zach, so I'll bring

1136
01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:26,720
Speaker 1: that back up, so ask him about it. Hey, last thing,

1137
01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:30,559
Speaker 1: listen to Brent Reeve's podcast, Nightlife Nation podcast if you're

1138
01:12:31,000 --> 01:12:34,360
Speaker 1: interested in coon hunting hearing some good stories. Brent has

1139
01:12:34,439 --> 01:12:39,479
Speaker 1: a cool podcast. Yeah man, Two other guys, Steve Fielder

1140
01:12:39,560 --> 01:12:43,720
Speaker 1: and Nick get a lamb yep. Check out their podcast

1141
01:12:44,080 --> 01:12:48,320
Speaker 1: and uh man, thanks guys. It's a lot of fun. Um.

1142
01:12:49,640 --> 01:12:52,120
Speaker 1: Keep the wild places wild because that's where the rattlesnakes

1143
01:12:52,160 --> 01:12:54,760
Speaker 1: live and the bears live. Have you ever thought about

1144
01:12:54,760 --> 01:12:57,519
Speaker 1: a bear getting bit by a rattlesnake? Has that ever

1145
01:12:57,640 --> 01:13:00,519
Speaker 1: entered your mind? My brother's got a squirrel dog hates him.

1146
01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:05,040
Speaker 1: He got bit three times in four days the spring.

1147
01:13:05,880 --> 01:13:09,000
Speaker 1: His head looked like he'd been six rounds with Mike Tyson.

1148
01:13:10,160 --> 01:13:12,160
Speaker 1: And if he can find one now he's gonna try

1149
01:13:12,200 --> 01:13:15,320
Speaker 1: to kill it. Cannot keep him off of him Mountain Curve.

1150
01:13:17,439 --> 01:13:21,400
Speaker 1: They should name him Captain. Captain, Captain,