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Speaker 1: Hey, that folks. It is Tuesday, February seventeenth, and still

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Speaker 1: authorities have not named a suspect in the Guthrie disappearance,

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Speaker 1: but they are coming out and telling us who they

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Speaker 1: are not officially looking at as suspects. With that. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to this episode of Amy and TJ. Big deal, you

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Speaker 1: said to me, I said, what's the bigger headline? You said,

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Speaker 1: this is a big deal. They've cleared the family.

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Speaker 2: Yes, we had a couple headlines that we woke up to,

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Speaker 2: but this is huge. Look initially, and I think just

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Speaker 2: about everybody, including especially law enforcement, when something like this happens,

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Speaker 2: you look first and foremost to the last people who

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Speaker 2: saw someone alive. And so of course that would have

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Speaker 2: fallen directly on Savannah Guthrie's sister and brother in law,

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Speaker 2: because they were the last people to see her alive.

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Speaker 1: And dropped one of them dropped me. Yes at home.

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Speaker 2: Yes, the brother in law, Thomas so I believe is

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Speaker 2: his name, dropped off Nancy Guthrie. He says, I saw

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Speaker 2: her go into the home. I saw the garage door close.

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Speaker 2: I made sure she got in safely. So of course

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Speaker 2: that is the obvious first people that you would have

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Speaker 2: pretty quickly, and Ashley Banfield was the one who came

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Speaker 2: out and said it. They were looking at the brother

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Speaker 2: in law and made him into a prime suspect. That

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Speaker 2: was a big headline as well. So to have the

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Speaker 2: sheriff come out and say all Guthrie family, including their spouses,

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Speaker 2: have been cleared and our innocent, that's a huge deal.

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Speaker 1: And that was one of a number of headlines. A

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Speaker 1: few others we'll get into having to do with DNA,

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Speaker 1: the number of leads has ballooned, and also another possible

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Speaker 1: note that TMZ has received and they are now publicly

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Speaker 1: negotiating with this so called rat. We'll get into that

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Speaker 1: in the moment, but first that is the headline in

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Speaker 1: his statement Robes. The sheriff made pretty clear his motivation

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Speaker 1: in doing so. Look, this is in the third week

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Speaker 1: the investigation in themselves on the line to come out

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Speaker 1: and definitively say that no one in this family. They're

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Speaker 1: not even leaving open the possibility. They're saying no, no

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Speaker 1: anybody else spreading any rumors about the family.

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Speaker 2: That's correct. This was the sheriff's statement on X to

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Speaker 2: be clear of the Guthrie family to include all siblings

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Speaker 2: and spouses has been cleared as possible suspects in this case.

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Speaker 2: The family has been nothing but cooperative and gracious and

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Speaker 2: are victims in this case. To suggest otherwise is not

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Speaker 2: only wrong, it is cruel. The Guthrie family are victims,

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Speaker 2: plain and simple. Please, I'm begging you, the media, to

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Speaker 1: You know what, good for you. Everybody's screaming at him,

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Speaker 1: telling him how to do his job. Well, we've got

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Speaker 1: some failings on our end as well. I have no

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Speaker 1: problem with that statement. He is right. Everybody needs to

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Speaker 1: be living by that covering the story and a lot

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Speaker 1: haven't been exactly OK. That's now in all he's done

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Speaker 1: in this investigation and criticism, people want to give him

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Speaker 2: I agree completely, and I've just been this entire time

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Speaker 2: so many I know everyone listening to this has been

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Speaker 2: imagining being in the Guthrie family position. It's hard enough

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Speaker 2: to not know where your mother is, to fear the worst,

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Speaker 2: to have this be a public spectacle, and now to

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Speaker 2: they were aware that some members of the media were

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Speaker 2: pointing the finger directly back at them. That is excruciating.

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Speaker 1: Now you can go people do their thing online. Fine,

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Speaker 1: on social media, theories run wild, they call him Internet sleuths, investigators,

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Speaker 1: detectives out there trying to figure it out, and everybody

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Speaker 1: has their theory about the case. Fine, but there are

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Speaker 1: plenty of folks who are officially rogues going on networks

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Speaker 1: In more mainstream environments, we're going out robes and also

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Speaker 1: putting out some wild theories and speculation because we don't

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Speaker 1: you think, as a family member, is that a compassionate

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think when he said it was cruel, I

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Speaker 2: But just also, Savannah, it's it's interesting to be a

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Speaker 1: I think it's it.

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Speaker 2: She does get it, but it's still well, it hurts

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Speaker 1: And so let's go now to why Robes he had

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Speaker 1: week plus ago? Robes. When you hear obviously you just

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Speaker 1: been watching the story. Robes, you had that thought in

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Speaker 1: your home, of course, but you don't go onto microphone

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Speaker 1: law of Savannah Guthrie of being the suspect.

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Speaker 2: That's right. Ashley Banfield said on her podcast that she

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Speaker 2: Savannah Guthrie, was the prime suspect. And when Ashley Banfield

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Speaker 2: were chasing them. They actually had to put their hoodies

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Speaker 2: So that had to be horrific because that's on top

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Speaker 1: That was it was a and the only reason, look,

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Speaker 1: I even said, look, we have to listen because she's

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Speaker 1: I don't know what we're gonna hear from her when

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Speaker 1: awful situation because then you had people out there with

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Speaker 2: That stuff was happening. And the sad thing is, once

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Speaker 2: or unless they catch the person responsible. There will always

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Speaker 1: That's one of those in the family. Never said, never

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Speaker 1: But why should they have to be distracted by some

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Speaker 1: This is the first time that somebody said no.

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Speaker 2: And it's good that it came from the sheriff because

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Speaker 2: that came from an official source who said, we did investigate,

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Speaker 2: we did look into it, and we have completely ruled

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Speaker 2: them out and they are innocent. They are victims.

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Speaker 1: So that is a major development. No, we don't have

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Speaker 1: they've been eliminated. The other thing. Here we go again.

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Speaker 1: TMZ's got another note, this one again from the so

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Speaker 1: called rat. This is the fourth one. This person who

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Speaker 1: This new update is bizarre and that TMZ is publicly

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Speaker 2: Yes, they're actually using their website to communicate with this person.

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Speaker 2: We don't know who he is, who has information, who

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Speaker 1: What the hell are is this person? Is this a

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Speaker 2: He is saying, Mexico, Rubes, is this for real?

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Speaker 1: I mean they have not come out and said whether

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Speaker 2: It's interesting you ask if he's for real, because Harvey

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Speaker 2: Levin actually writes this in the website. If the individual

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Speaker 2: whereabouts of Nancy and her kidnappers. We will immediately forward

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Speaker 2: the information to the FBI. If it leads to finding

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Speaker 1: They gave the okay? Did they give the okay? Or

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Speaker 1: they're just aware? Right? Were we authorized to do it?

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Speaker 1: Or they're just aware we were going to.

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Speaker 2: Do They used the word aware, didn't say has authorized us.

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Speaker 1: It's we've been in the business too long. We read

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Speaker 1: what this could possibly mean. I don't know. It's just bizarre,

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Speaker 1: And now I find it very difficult to think this

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Speaker 2: Everything is so bizarre in this story. It doesn't none

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Speaker 2: of it makes sense. So yes and TMZ is saying,

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Speaker 2: And if this was something you saw five days ago,

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Speaker 2: Sitting on this now, I'm that's criminal.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back everyone to Amy and TJ, where we have

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Speaker 2: a lot of up in the Nancy Guthrie missing person case.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's we that interview the sheriff did over

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Speaker 1: What was it to twenty eight in the morning.

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Speaker 1: Are they allowed to fly over Mexican airspace because apparently

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Speaker 2: I haven't thought about that sending.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it might be pointless. We're looking for a

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Speaker 2: Anyway, That's a very good question that should absolutely be asked.

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Speaker 1: I am very curious the clothing here. Now. We've been

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Speaker 2: I can't even imagine the technology that they would have

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Speaker 2: That's pretty remarkable. But yes, to think about them all

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Speaker 1: World we talk about we talk about I say that,

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Speaker 1: It's one of these throwback a weird throwback to those

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Speaker 2: That's why, Yes, this story is just beyond baffling, because

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Speaker 1: And they're sophisticated enough that they considered all these things.

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Speaker 1: This is just wild, folks. We will continue to update

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Speaker 1: this with you as well, Robes. No press conferences planned

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Speaker 2: No, and I think he has said that from the

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Speaker 1: So he is now if we ever hear that there

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