1 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:10,039 Speaker 1: Want to ask your question real. 2 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:11,960 Speaker 2: Let's just keep it real, straight shot with no chasing. 3 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 2: I'm gonna get a little bit rough. I'm here for 4 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 2: those who really believe in the American process, all of us. 5 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 2: Street shot, no chase with your girl Testlim figure out 6 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 2: on the Black Effect Podcast Network at work? What's having everybody? 7 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 2: This is Teslam figure out with a straight shot, no chase, 8 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:33,559 Speaker 2: a podcast on the Black Effect Podcast Network. I am 9 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 2: doing this live on Twitter right now. Hopefully my Instagram 10 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 2: family will join me. I typically record my podcast on 11 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:42,879 Speaker 2: Instagram because I love the interaction. I'm gonna shut up. 12 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 2: I want to take some of your calls today. I 13 00:00:45,000 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 2: have Alina's Crowns and Marcellus Uh. They will be here 14 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:52,920 Speaker 2: helping me navigate just in case you're not for me. 15 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:55,960 Speaker 2: The Black Eff Podcast Network is a network uh that 16 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 2: is on iHeart Radio, the largest audio platform in the country, 17 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 2: started by Charlotte and the God to have a podcast there, 18 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 2: and this recording will be on the podcast. I'm gonna 19 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 2: get right to it. Looks like we have yes now 20 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:11,959 Speaker 2: we have the Negro Black Knights Heritage Club. 21 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 1: Hey on Good afternoon, ladies, and also the other close 22 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 1: set stuff down. How are you doing this afternoon. 23 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:22,320 Speaker 2: We're doing fine, honey. How are you? 24 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: Oh, I'm doing straight, doing straight. 25 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 3: As always. 26 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: One of the things I want to ask a question about. 27 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 1: You mentioned that reparations shouldn't be the biggest thing on 28 00:01:33,120 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 1: our ticket. 29 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 2: I didn't say that. Let's pause right there, let me 30 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 2: pause right there. That's not what I said. I said 31 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 2: that I'm gonna let you finish, but it's important because 32 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 2: we don't want to leave. I want to make sure 33 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:44,559 Speaker 2: you redirect your question. What I said was, she asked 34 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:47,000 Speaker 2: your repar basically, what should be the biggest thing, And 35 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 2: I said, you should be voting on what's most important 36 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 2: to you, and then you should look at community. And 37 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 2: I said, people that shit on people that are not 38 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 2: just talking about reparations, maybe healthcare is important to them 39 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 2: for a very particular personal reason. I said that people 40 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 2: get involved in politics for what is personal to them. 41 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 2: So I never said that. Now, if you want to 42 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 2: redirect your question, I'm happy. 43 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I want to redirect the question. I understand, okay, 44 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 1: I understand that it's a personal issue in their thing, 45 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 1: and I do commend that for reparations would solve a 46 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 1: lot of those main issues. 47 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 3: When it comes to. 48 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 1: Healthcare and stuff that go ahead, because some of the 49 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:28,120 Speaker 1: issues that we are experienced are economical economics by nature, 50 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: so so reparations would knock out a lot of our issues. 51 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, did you hear everything that I said with that, 52 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 2: because I'm having a feeling you didn't because you and 53 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 2: I'm not saying this to I'm just doing this a 54 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 2: real training for everybody, because one you said something is leading, 55 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 2: and then I address that too. I said that economics 56 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 2: is very important. You need to be able to pay 57 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:48,679 Speaker 2: that hospital bill. But I said it's also important to 58 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 2: get involved in the healthcare system because even if we 59 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 2: all got ten million dollars, and even if we all 60 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 2: put our ten million dollars together, you're not going to 61 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 2: buy a system. You still have to work within the system. 62 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 2: You're not going to buy a court indicial system. You're 63 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 2: not going to be the US Department of Treasury. You 64 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 2: still have to learn how to operate in a system. Brother, 65 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:09,079 Speaker 2: you're not going to be the pharmaceutical system. So two 66 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:11,360 Speaker 2: things can be done at the same time. Yes, you 67 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 2: can solve problems with have money, Yes, absolutely, but you 68 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 2: still have to work within the system. Two things can 69 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 2: be done at the same time, what I said is, 70 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 2: don't shame people for things that motivate them, because the 71 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 2: thing that's going to make you effective in politics of 72 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:29,399 Speaker 2: what motivates you. And for somebody, that might be mass incarceration, 73 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 2: that might be healthcare, it might be reparations. But to 74 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 2: sit here and say that that's going to solve the 75 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 2: majority or even all is alive because you can have 76 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 2: all the money in the world, but you are not 77 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 2: going to be the judicial system. You still have to 78 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 2: have judges, You still have to have a Supreme Court. 79 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 2: You still have to have the pharmaceutical company. You still 80 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 2: have to have hospitals. Even if you went and build 81 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 2: your own hospital like Gary Chambers, did you not the 82 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 2: medical board? You can't buy the medical board. Even if 83 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 2: you got a black bank, you still got to report 84 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 2: to the US Department of Treasury. Two things can be 85 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 2: done at the same time. Even if you got your 86 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 2: own business, you still got to go before the city 87 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 2: council and get your zoning approved. You understand the difference, brother, 88 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 2: Two things can be done at the same time. 89 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I get what you're going at. 90 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 2: What kind of it ain't where I'm going at is 91 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 2: exactly what it is rich. Black people go to jail 92 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:27,159 Speaker 2: every goddamn day. The judicial system will lock your black 93 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 2: ass up. I'm not mean that. I'm just being as 94 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:32,040 Speaker 2: clear as I can. I ain't going nowhere. I'm there. 95 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 2: I'm telling you what it is, all right. 96 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:38,920 Speaker 1: The point, the point that I want to bring out 97 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 1: or just share with you, is it's people like doctor Umar. 98 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: I like the brother, but I don't like that he's 99 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 1: against lineage space reparations. But yet still he'll ask for 100 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 1: our donation money and stuff for his school. You can 101 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 1: see how it can be kind of a little problem. 102 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:57,760 Speaker 1: I understand that you're not. I'm giving an example of 103 00:04:57,839 --> 00:05:00,719 Speaker 1: when people that are against line each space reparen right 104 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 1: and the saying that they're for our community, but it 105 00:05:03,480 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 1: doesn't really look like that, and how it can be 106 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:09,039 Speaker 1: leading to our community, and why certain people might be 107 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:12,040 Speaker 1: frustrated off the fact that our people are speaking against 108 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: lineach based reparations, but they're saying that they're for our empowerment. 109 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 2: How can I be Yeah, well, you got to ask 110 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 2: not to Jumar Johnson that so at the end of 111 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 2: the day, he don't like talking about politics either. I'm 112 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 2: a political so I'm testling figure out and I'm talking 113 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 2: about politics, and I support lineage based reparations and all 114 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:30,719 Speaker 2: of that, but I know how to win seats, and 115 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:33,039 Speaker 2: I know that reparations ain't gonna happen if ain't nobody 116 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:35,279 Speaker 2: voting for it. That I know, So I talk about 117 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 2: what you need to do to get in powered to 118 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:38,840 Speaker 2: vote for Unless y'all planning on running up on the 119 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 2: US Department of Commerce and doing dead presidents and doing 120 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 2: a robbery, you're gonna have somebody's gonna have to vote 121 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 2: for it. So that's what I like to talk about. 122 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:47,919 Speaker 2: That's what I'm on. So you got to talk to 123 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 2: Jumar Johnson about that because he don't like talking about 124 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:52,880 Speaker 2: politics either. I do, so I can't tell you that, brother. 125 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:54,719 Speaker 2: I just want to make sure you got my words correct. 126 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:56,880 Speaker 2: I didn't say it wasn't important, because see somebody to 127 00:05:56,960 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 2: hear that in that run with that next minute, you 128 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 2: know you got some disrecord on YouTube. So I just 129 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 2: want to make sure world to say I never said that. 130 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 2: I said you need both. No matter how much money 131 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 2: you get in the world, you're not gonna be the 132 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 2: US Department of Treasury. You still have to work within 133 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:14,159 Speaker 2: these within these systems. Johnathan Major's got all the money 134 00:06:14,200 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 2: in the world. They gave his black ass a misdemeanor 135 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 2: for chasing that white woman up the street. So at 136 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 2: the end of the day, you're still gonna be a 137 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:22,359 Speaker 2: black man in this country. And some of that money 138 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:25,239 Speaker 2: need to be spent on buying candidates and putting candidates 139 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 2: in place to protect the money that you got. That's 140 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 2: just facts. That's facts. And anybody with any kind of 141 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:35,279 Speaker 2: money or any kind of anything knows that I've been 142 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:38,159 Speaker 2: an entrepreneur for the last twenty years. I've never had 143 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:40,280 Speaker 2: no nonprofit and I ain't asked for no donation and 144 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:42,359 Speaker 2: ain't gonna ask for no donation, and I don't do 145 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:44,040 Speaker 2: no crowd fund and I'll do none that I get 146 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 2: it out the muscle. And at the end of the day, 147 00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 2: I still have to pay taxes. At the end of 148 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:50,479 Speaker 2: the day, I still want to make sure that whoever 149 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 2: is deciding tax you know what. I'm gonna paying taxes. 150 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 2: It matters, that shit matters, get reparations. Tomorrow. They put 151 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:00,120 Speaker 2: somebody in office and fifty percent of its tax you 152 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,840 Speaker 2: ain't gonna have none of it. If you're not involved 153 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:04,719 Speaker 2: in the process. You have to have both of it, 154 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 2: and anybody's telling you something different. I would ask how 155 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:09,359 Speaker 2: many races they worked on, how many elected officials? Do 156 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 2: they even understand how this shit work? So I think 157 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 2: that is a gimmick to be honest with you. When 158 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 2: you're talking to a bunch of people who are hurting, 159 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 2: and all you talk about is money, money, money, my money, 160 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 2: you ain't telling them what to do with it. You 161 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 2: ain't tell them they got to go get their business license. 162 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 2: You ain't tell them they still got to work with 163 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 2: their city commissioner. You ain' tell them they still anything 164 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 2: minority certification. You're not tell them that, YESDI does matter. 165 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 2: You're not telling them that they need to know all 166 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 2: of this that they I set on the Membership Mission 167 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 2: and Review Board in Orlando. I sat on the Chamber 168 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 2: of Commerce. I started the Chamber of Commerce program for 169 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 2: the African American Chamber of Commerce. I set on the 170 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 2: White Folks Bath the Central Florida U Chamber of Regional Partners. 171 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 2: I set on Metro Plan for transportation. I set on 172 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 2: the legal and the voters. I did all of this 173 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 2: for free, to be involved in the system, not being elected. 174 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 2: If you are not involved in the system and making 175 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 2: decisions on what you're gonna do with that reparations check 176 00:07:55,400 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 2: none of it happens. That's the fact. Yeah, baby, I 177 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 2: didn't just get up and speak in no task force. 178 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 2: I've really been a part of this program. And it's 179 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 2: not shaming or dissing. I'm letting, letting y'all know what 180 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 2: the real receipts. Time out for this talking. Have all 181 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 2: the money in the world and be dumb as hell. 182 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 2: What you're gonna do with the money. You're not gonna 183 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 2: know how to identify good candidates. Go buy some candidates. 184 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 2: That's what the elders say. 185 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 1: Clau In. 186 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 2: Don't they say, buy the candidates. Y'all think you gonna 187 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 2: do that with that? The mafia don't. The mafia got candidates, judges, police, 188 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 2: the sheriff department is a elected position. You want the 189 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 2: block to not be so hard, go so hot, Go 190 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 2: buy a sheriff. That's what the mafia do. Having all 191 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 2: the money in the world and don't know shit to 192 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 2: do with it. Come on, we gotta be smart about that. 193 00:08:56,400 --> 00:08:59,200 Speaker 2: Everybody can't do the same thing. I said. Don't shame 194 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:04,559 Speaker 2: people who are motivated by other things because you can 195 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 2: tell me to be motivated to like, uh, a certain 196 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 2: type of man all day long. But I'm gonna like 197 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:14,680 Speaker 2: what I'm gonna like. You know what I'm saying. I 198 00:09:14,760 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 2: like what I like. So encourage people to get involved 199 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:21,080 Speaker 2: in liking what they like and go find somebody that 200 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 2: like what you like and stop telling the other black 201 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:26,199 Speaker 2: person because they talk about man's incarceration, they ain't for 202 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 2: black people. That's impossible, the way the system criminalizes us. 203 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:31,600 Speaker 2: Somebody got to be over there talking about that. That's 204 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 2: all I was saying, Brother, that ain't the same, and 205 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 2: I'm not doctor Umar Johnson, so you got to pick 206 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:38,679 Speaker 2: take that up with him. 207 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 3: No, no, no, no. 208 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:42,199 Speaker 1: I was just using that. This is just an example, ma'am. 209 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:46,319 Speaker 1: I wasn't trying to take that. You work where we're operationist, 210 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:50,319 Speaker 1: people might come intentions. What's that I. 211 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:52,320 Speaker 2: Just like to. I like to I'm a trainer for 212 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 2: real and real life, a master's indult education. So I 213 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 2: like to keep the main thing the main thing. I 214 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:58,680 Speaker 2: don't like just go going all over the place. I 215 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 2: like to narrow it down. So that's why that's why 216 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 2: I'm saying that. I know you're not saying I'm him. 217 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 2: I'm just saying, ain't no point in bringing that up. 218 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 2: That's just another Well yeah, you know, Doctorumar be doing this, 219 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 2: and he'd be doing that, and that's why he be 220 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 2: doing that. That's a waste of time. I'm here to 221 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 2: give you tools to take somebody, get these tools to 222 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:16,199 Speaker 2: take it home and apply it, no dispect you. That's 223 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:19,080 Speaker 2: usually that podcast conversations go. It be all over the place. 224 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 2: I just try to keep it narrow. 225 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 1: And then I have one thing. I'm totally against the system. 226 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 1: I don't think we should be involved in the system. 227 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 1: I think that we should be building and competing against 228 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 1: our creating our own systems to compete against their system. 229 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:35,560 Speaker 2: Going to create the Department of Commerce, Tell me how 230 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:38,200 Speaker 2: you're going to create the Department of Justice. 231 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 1: I'm saying that there's people that are already have like 232 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 1: what I said, No, I'm. 233 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 2: Going to take it's a simple question. How we how 234 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:48,560 Speaker 2: are we going to How are we going to decreate 235 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 2: or create a department of justice. 236 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 1: Well, it starts off that we need to create our 237 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 1: own government first. 238 00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:56,839 Speaker 2: No, no, no, our own government. Guess what, I don't 239 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 2: play these delusional games. You're not going to create American 240 00:10:59,760 --> 00:11:01,720 Speaker 2: and i' let you create shit, they'll take your ass 241 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 2: out the game. First. I don't sell people delusion. You're 242 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:07,319 Speaker 2: not gonna create another Congress and a legislative branch and 243 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 2: an executive branch. I don't play delusion games, baby, wrong podcast. 244 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:14,199 Speaker 1: Well, the thing is is that we're not getting supported 245 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 1: by the candidates that we. 246 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 2: It don't matter, of course you're not, but you're still 247 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:18,959 Speaker 2: not gonna My question still, Liz, how are you gonna 248 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 2: create the Department of Congress of Commerce. You're not. Of 249 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:27,680 Speaker 2: course they're not supporting you. That's why you get different candidates. 250 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 2: You're not gonna create a new system. I don't play 251 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:32,839 Speaker 2: delusional games that y'all like playing here. There's not gonna 252 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 2: be another America. America has found that you learn how 253 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 2: to play the game within the cars that we've been dealt. 254 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 2: Are go start another country. You're welcome to start another country. 255 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 2: Shit do to Chrystopher Columbus. Go on the boat and 256 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:48,200 Speaker 2: go find it and keep us posted. But other than that, 257 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 2: you're in America and you're gonna have to learn to 258 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 2: play within this system. And all that shit is bullshit, 259 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:56,680 Speaker 2: delusional talk, no disrespect. Brother, I love you, but I 260 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 2: don't do delusion, y'all, like, come out here with delusion. 261 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 2: You ain't create a no damn department of agriculture. You're 262 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 2: not creating no department of commerce. You're not creating no 263 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 2: judicial system. You're not creating the legislative brand, judicial brands. 264 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 2: Come on, knock it off. Stop selling our people that bullshit. 265 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:12,040 Speaker 2: You want to stay in the delusion the world. No 266 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 2: disrespect to your brother, but you got to do that 267 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 2: on another I don't do that. 268 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 1: Well, Well, the reason why I threw that out there, 269 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 1: it was because they said that we should be operating 270 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 1: as a nation within a nation. 271 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:22,960 Speaker 2: Well, I'm gonna throw it back to you. It ain't 272 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 2: no nation within the nation. I'm glad you threw it 273 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 2: out there. I'm gonna throw it back. You're ready to 274 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 2: catch it. It ain't no nation within a nation. This 275 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 2: is America. It's only gonna be one nation till they 276 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:37,079 Speaker 2: burn this shit down. Let's go to the next caller. Absolutely, 277 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:41,319 Speaker 2: we have used to nation within a nation. Y'all talking 278 00:12:41,400 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 2: crazy as hell before I go there, And no disrespect 279 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 2: to your brother. I just don't like that. I don't 280 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:47,679 Speaker 2: like that delusional talk. That's why I don't get it. 281 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 2: Ain't no nation within a nation. What are y'all talking about? 282 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 2: Like Sarah, what is he talking about? We should be 283 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 2: a nation within a nation. So you're gonna create an 284 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 2: executive branch, a legislat are y'all crazy? 285 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: I mean, they already got to court systems in Mississippi, 286 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 1: So me talking that nation within a nation. 287 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:05,079 Speaker 2: It's not. 288 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 1: Miss Mississippi right now. In Mississippi, right now, they have 289 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 1: a white only court system. 290 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:18,319 Speaker 2: Mem mew him day. It ain't no white no they 291 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:21,080 Speaker 2: what they had what you're talking about in Mississippi where 292 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:24,680 Speaker 2: they have carved out of jurisdiction. Both of those still 293 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 2: report to the same judicial system, the criminal justice system. 294 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:34,680 Speaker 2: Let's not get in there and start talking stupid. I 295 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 2: know exactly what you're talking about. Lower your tone. We 296 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 2: ain't no nation within no damn nation. The criminal justice 297 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:52,440 Speaker 2: system is one criminal justice system period. Native Americans don't 298 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 2: have a system within a system, and they have their 299 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 2: own land and they still got a report to America. 300 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 2: So y'all can take that other delusion to no disrespect, brother, 301 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 2: But I don't like that shit. Y'all misguid on this 302 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 2: delusional shit. Y'all own no disrespect, brother, But Mississippi don't 303 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 2: have Yes, they got a white you're talking about a 304 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 2: district where the majority of white people. They've carved out 305 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 2: a district. You don't even know what you're talking about. 306 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 2: I covered that story. That ain't no system within a 307 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 2: system they've carved out. Hey, this sheriff department, we're gonna 308 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 2: monitor this white folks, and we're gonna monitor that. They've 309 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 2: carved out a district. It's still is still to the 310 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 2: same criminal justice system. They got their own judges, but 311 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 2: all of them report to the same judicial system. You're 312 00:14:37,480 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 2: not gonna create a new system. Get you gonna get 313 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 2: your ass to jail thinking that all we got a 314 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 2: system within a system. Whatever organize that, y'all know the 315 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 2: conscious organs. I don't want say because I want shit 316 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 2: on nobody but that old delusional shit we subscribed to 317 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 2: our own shit. Well, go go murder somebody and we 318 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:58,640 Speaker 2: see what system are you're gonna fallow under. Let's see 319 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 2: what your black ad get pulled off, and we're gonna 320 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 2: see what system you're gonna be in. I know exactly 321 00:15:02,600 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 2: what system your ass gonna be in. It's gonna be 322 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 2: the United States of America versus you you're gonna get 323 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 2: your ass a fair case run around it with that system, 324 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 2: with it a system. I'm not fas a play games 325 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 2: like that with my people. It's too serious. You gotta 326 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 2: do that old hypothetical talk. I remember you was in 327 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 2: there before with that love and respect to your brother. 328 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 2: But I don't get no hypothetical bullshit. You are not 329 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 2: creating another system within America. Put your hand down because 330 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 2: class is closed. Let's go on to the next person. 331 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:32,400 Speaker 2: Love you, brother, but you're gonna do that with somebody else, 332 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:34,760 Speaker 2: y'all good? Do that. Go get somebody else shit with 333 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 2: that old bullshit. I don't do that because that's crazy 334 00:15:37,120 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 2: as hell, and it's crazy as hell and better yet, 335 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 2: prove it to me. Go start it and we'll follow you. 336 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 2: Keep us posted when you follow us. When you get 337 00:15:44,840 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 2: it going, get your ass on a boat. You got 338 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 2: a three day weekend. Go on a boat and go 339 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 2: find an island and start it and we'll all come 340 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 2: join over that join it. Other than that, it's a 341 00:15:53,080 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 2: waste of damn time. All right, you stiff, you're up. 342 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 3: Thank you. I appreciate the space and all the work 343 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 3: that you're doing. Tusling. Uh, you know I was looking 344 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 3: to the Push the Line. I was wondering if you 345 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 3: had any plans for uh, you know, twenty twenty four. 346 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 3: Is that something that we can request. I'm interested in, 347 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 3: you know, learning you know more about that. So if 348 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 3: you can talk a little bit more about your plans 349 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 3: as far as what you plan on doing with Push 350 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 3: the Line in the future and how you know, folks 351 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 3: can either request you to come to the city or 352 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 3: even you know, I don't know if it's something that 353 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 3: we can uh uh you know, get on a webinar 354 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 3: and whatnot. 355 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 2: So appreciate thank you for that, and I'm glad you 356 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 2: had and I got some witnesses in here because people 357 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 2: have asked that before you. If I'm going to give 358 00:16:45,560 --> 00:16:48,760 Speaker 2: you the straight honest truth, every year I train dozens 359 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 2: of people privately, and I'm not available for people privately. 360 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 2: I do that through organizations or you know, word of 361 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 2: mouth and things like that. And I'm gonna be very 362 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 2: honest with you on why why I do it that way. 363 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 2: I did that and fore to free to everybody, to 364 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:02,880 Speaker 2: show people that it could be done, and I thought 365 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 2: it was very necessary. I went in with high hopes 366 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:07,440 Speaker 2: thinking that we could get a sponsor to cover it 367 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 2: every year for free, because what I don't like doing 368 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 2: is crowdfunding. What I don't like doing is asking you 369 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:14,440 Speaker 2: guys for money, because what y'all ask is not gonna 370 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:17,400 Speaker 2: do is sit up here and make videos about me grifting. 371 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:19,160 Speaker 2: And I'm not saying you, I'm just saying in general, 372 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 2: I'm not gonna give people the opportunity to sit up 373 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 2: here and say I'm grifting. I don't want nothing from 374 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 2: you because I run a for profit organization and I 375 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 2: don't have to offer free training. I'm totally fine with 376 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:31,639 Speaker 2: offering my rate at two hundred and fifty dollars an 377 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:35,440 Speaker 2: hour to my actual clients, organizations and clients that can 378 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:37,879 Speaker 2: afford to hire me. And so that's what I do 379 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:40,360 Speaker 2: for real and real life. I wanted to do that, 380 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:42,679 Speaker 2: and then I thought about, Okay, well let's do it. 381 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:44,919 Speaker 2: Let me do it online at least one time for free. 382 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:47,159 Speaker 2: And what happened is a bunch of trolls came in 383 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 2: and it was distracting, so that didn't work. And then 384 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:52,160 Speaker 2: I've had people ask me like Marcelle, who's here, who said, Tess, 385 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:54,359 Speaker 2: why don't you come to South Carolina? And then i 386 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:56,680 Speaker 2: tried to think about, Okay, well, maybe I could charge 387 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 2: people for the class, which would be one hundred and 388 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:01,160 Speaker 2: fifty dollars for like five classes. I come one day 389 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 2: and then you get three other classes. I know it's 390 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 2: worth it because I've been to every single all of 391 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:07,880 Speaker 2: the big major ones. For example, Yell Law School for Women. 392 00:18:07,920 --> 00:18:10,200 Speaker 2: I pay three thousand dollars to sit there for three days. 393 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 2: So these classes are very expensive. But what I didn't like, 394 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:18,399 Speaker 2: what gave me paus is every time somebody has you 395 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 2: pay for something tangible, since that's the words y'all like using, 396 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:23,639 Speaker 2: this is a real class where you get real game. 397 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 2: I wrote the curriculum based upon receipts. I have a 398 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:30,680 Speaker 2: master's in adult education. It's a real class. And I 399 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 2: didn't because so many people market that in this space, 400 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:35,440 Speaker 2: and they're called grifters and all of that. I don't 401 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 2: want to be associated with it, and I didn't need 402 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 2: to be. And so I've had probably thirty or forty 403 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:42,359 Speaker 2: people say, hey, bring it to our city, Bring it 404 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 2: to our city. But then when I say, well, y'all, 405 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 2: raise the money because I can't pay it out of pocket, 406 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 2: you know I'm not going to sit up here and 407 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 2: take my own money and fly down to a city 408 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 2: and spend twelve hours. And I mean, I'm just not 409 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:57,359 Speaker 2: I just can't, you know. So what I'm trying to 410 00:18:57,400 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 2: do to answer your question is I do have some 411 00:18:59,040 --> 00:19:02,000 Speaker 2: people that want to support but I'm gonna be honest. 412 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 2: I said, I want to do it. If I can 413 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 2: do it once a year, that'd be great. But I've 414 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 2: had to cut off some of these organizations because they 415 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:11,199 Speaker 2: think that they're gonna come in and be quote unquote 416 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 2: partnering with me, and I'm not gonna have Organization x 417 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:16,080 Speaker 2: y Z that I know. I have to do more 418 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:18,439 Speaker 2: explaining because you know how y'all like to create these theories, 419 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:20,639 Speaker 2: just like he said, nation within the nation. If I 420 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 2: partner with organization x y Z. First thing y'all say 421 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:25,400 Speaker 2: on Twitter, Look at her, I know she sold out. 422 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 2: Look at her, she over there with them, look at her. 423 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 2: I had people literally come to my training that were 424 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:32,200 Speaker 2: sitting there to be troths. And this is a fact, 425 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:34,639 Speaker 2: sitting there to see if I was gonna be pushing 426 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 2: a Democrat agenda, sitting there to see if I was 427 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:38,960 Speaker 2: gonna be pushing a Republican agenda. I said it in 428 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 2: the first five minutes of my training. If y'all came 429 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:43,360 Speaker 2: looking to see if I was gonna be pushing something, 430 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:46,439 Speaker 2: you can leave now because whatever you thought you came from, baby, 431 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 2: you ain't slicking to me. I know why y'all came. 432 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 2: We set there for twelve hours and gave everybody nonpartisan game, 433 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:54,920 Speaker 2: and then them same people that came and brought they 434 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:58,399 Speaker 2: black ass in their classroom, jumped on Twitter space and 435 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 2: talked about me like a dog until I popped up 436 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:02,399 Speaker 2: in the Twitter space and said, but wasn't you in 437 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 2: my class yep, I sure was. But then why you 438 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 2: sit over acting like you don't know what it is? Oh? 439 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:08,920 Speaker 2: I was just saying, See, I don't like to play 440 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:11,159 Speaker 2: the kind of games that people play here on Twitter. 441 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:13,919 Speaker 2: I really really don't, because the last time that that 442 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 2: game got played with me on Twitter, my people had 443 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 2: to ask some questions in person. So people that kind 444 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:21,639 Speaker 2: of rock with me, they feel a way about me, 445 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:24,720 Speaker 2: and unfortunately this space is just not a conducer to that. 446 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:27,600 Speaker 2: Unfortunately I wish it was, but it's not. You call 447 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:30,639 Speaker 2: everybody a grifter, They say you're trying to get money, 448 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:33,160 Speaker 2: They say you must be this or that. They think 449 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 2: that this is actually what I do for a living, 450 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:37,200 Speaker 2: and it's not. It's just something not to the masses. 451 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 2: In other words, it's not something that I feel like 452 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:41,359 Speaker 2: dealing with the headache. It's not worth it. I showed 453 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 2: up at the rally to give people politics. They set 454 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:46,920 Speaker 2: up here and did memes and videos and did all 455 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:48,880 Speaker 2: of that for six months straight. I don't have time 456 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:51,360 Speaker 2: for that shit. I don't And it's not that I'm 457 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:53,400 Speaker 2: afraid or any of that. I just don't have time 458 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 2: for It's foolishness. It's not worth my time to deal 459 00:20:56,800 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 2: with the headache, unfortunately. But if I do do it, 460 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:03,360 Speaker 2: it will be a sponsor. Matter of fact, somebody talked 461 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 2: to the other day. He said, well, would you put 462 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:07,199 Speaker 2: our name on? I said, I'll let people know that 463 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 2: you sponsored it. But I'm not gonna be We're not 464 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 2: gonna be equal, you know, tesslim figure out and such 465 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:15,880 Speaker 2: and such, because they gonna think I sold out. Y'all 466 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 2: already say I sold out every day on the Breakfast Club. 467 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:21,120 Speaker 2: She a Democrat next day, she a Republican next day, 468 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 2: this day. Every day, y'all say I'm something different. Y'all 469 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 2: can't make your mind up. So I just don't like 470 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 2: asking people for money, and it's a valuable class unfortunately, 471 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:31,439 Speaker 2: so I just don't. They're not gonna make videos about 472 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:35,880 Speaker 2: me about grifting. I get to the bag without any 473 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:37,359 Speaker 2: of that. I don't. I don't need to ask you 474 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 2: for you one fifty. I just do that because I 475 00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:41,160 Speaker 2: can't go out of pocket. You know what I'm saying. 476 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:43,679 Speaker 2: It takes six hundred dollars for me to get there, 477 00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 2: at least on a ticket. I gotta get a room, 478 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 2: and I still gotta eat. I'm not gonna take money 479 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 2: out of my daughter's mouth for you. I run a business, 480 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 2: not a nonprofit, and I don't like crowdfunded. So when 481 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 2: y'all say crowdfund, we'll donate. I wish I would. Y'all 482 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 2: not gonna be sitting there talking about i'ld have gave 483 00:21:57,040 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 2: you the money's people think they got power, and you 484 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 2: ain'tna never have that with me. So the business model, 485 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 2: unfortunately just doesn't work. But I am. I am open 486 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 2: to doing it at least once a year and hopefully 487 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,959 Speaker 2: God bless and give you know a sponsor that's willing 488 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:11,119 Speaker 2: to pay for it and not ask for anything in return. 489 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 3: Awesome, are you willing to share. I guess the sponsor 490 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:18,679 Speaker 3: mount or you know or sorry, I think you're in 491 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 3: the back channel to see. 492 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you this, if somebody wants to do 493 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 2: the work without involving me, because I'm not going to 494 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:27,640 Speaker 2: do the work. So if somebody say, hey, I want 495 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 2: you to come to my city, well that would mean 496 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 2: you would need to cover the costs of a ticket 497 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:35,640 Speaker 2: because I'm not going to pay out of pocket. So 498 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:38,119 Speaker 2: that would be five or six hundred dollars for me 499 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:41,119 Speaker 2: to fly wherever you are. You would need to find 500 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:43,399 Speaker 2: a space. I don't want a space to be associated 501 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 2: with a church or any organization. There's a website called 502 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 2: peer space that's really good. I'd like to do that 503 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:52,880 Speaker 2: because I like to make sure you self that it's 504 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 2: not associated with anything. Because if I go to the NAACP, 505 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:58,159 Speaker 2: that's what y'all be saying on Twitter. Look at the 506 00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 2: shoe order working with the NAACP. We new she was 507 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,400 Speaker 2: gonna sell out. See, I got to deal with all 508 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 2: the ignorance. So peerspace dot com that's where you can 509 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:09,639 Speaker 2: get a space like a library, a neutral space, not 510 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 2: a not nothing ran by nothing, not a you know, 511 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 2: a community center. Not a church, definitely not a church. 512 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 2: Y'all really be saying I sold out so peerspace dot com. 513 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:24,320 Speaker 2: That's a good website. It's like you can find spaces 514 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:27,359 Speaker 2: in most cities. Usually fifty seventy people in a room. 515 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 2: Book that pay for that, and then reach out and say, TASM, 516 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 2: you know what, this is what we have to offer 517 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 2: for the time. We got the ticket covered, we have 518 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 2: the we have the room covered, and this is what 519 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 2: we were able to come up with. And I work 520 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,440 Speaker 2: with you, but I will let you know my keynotes addressed. 521 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:45,479 Speaker 2: And I make no apologies about it. When I go 522 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:47,639 Speaker 2: speak at universities and all that, it's seventy five hundred 523 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:49,879 Speaker 2: dollars ten thousand, I make no apologies about it. I 524 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 2: wouldn't charge you that for sure. But people got to 525 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 2: do the work. They want me to do the work. 526 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 2: They want me to market, they want me to fight, 527 00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,120 Speaker 2: and I'm not going to ask nobody for nothing because 528 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,200 Speaker 2: y'all not fsit up. Say I'm grifting. I watch y'all 529 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:02,680 Speaker 2: do it. I watch y'all do it all the time 530 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:08,680 Speaker 2: with everybody. Y'all say, everybody grift. Some of y'all let people. 531 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:10,920 Speaker 2: Some people get away with it. But some of y'all say, 532 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 2: everybody grift. Oh, look, she doing it to grift. I 533 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:18,920 Speaker 2: don't need no two thousand dollars from you. That ain't 534 00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 2: that's nothing. So I just don't like having to deal 535 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,159 Speaker 2: with the foolishness. Unfortunately, and I did try to do 536 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:27,239 Speaker 2: it online. I did it online for free, and it 537 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 2: and too many trolls came in. And the information is 538 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,159 Speaker 2: too valuable to be planned. So I'd rather do it 539 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 2: one on one. So anybody interested in it, don't contact 540 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:38,120 Speaker 2: me till you get all that stuff together. You get 541 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 2: that together, I'll show up. MM, no problem, baby. I 542 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:45,920 Speaker 2: want us to desperately have it. 543 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:46,639 Speaker 3: I really do. 544 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:48,919 Speaker 2: I want us to desperately have the information. What I 545 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,640 Speaker 2: would say you saif is I got over two hundred 546 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,639 Speaker 2: podcasts giving y'all game. So what I've told y'all for 547 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 2: now what two hours for free? I've given real you 548 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 2: know solutions. So this is a training, if you will. 549 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 2: It's not a podcast. It's a training so people that 550 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 2: want to know, you know, how do I do this 551 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:07,119 Speaker 2: and how to do that? I take these calls all 552 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,200 Speaker 2: the time. That's really the training. I don't you don't 553 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 2: have to have you know, quote unquote training to get 554 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 2: some information. But the training is good, though. I will 555 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 2: say that people people do like the training, but I 556 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 2: just don't have time for the foolishness. I really don't. 557 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 2: I got my own family, I got three shows. It's 558 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 2: Friday night. I should be getting ready to go to 559 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 2: happy y'all. But I just love y'all. I love my people, 560 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,920 Speaker 2: so I don't. I don't want to have to deal 561 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,119 Speaker 2: with all the headaches that I went through and they 562 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 2: thought they ran me off. You ain't ran me off. 563 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:35,879 Speaker 2: I just redirected my energy. I don't have time to 564 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 2: fight y'all and being no disk records and shit, it's 565 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 2: too silly for me. 566 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,199 Speaker 3: Yeah, I appreciate it. So the last question is just 567 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,399 Speaker 3: a framework. So is it a one day training and 568 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:46,919 Speaker 3: how long is it training? 569 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, it can be a one day training. The one 570 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,639 Speaker 2: that we did, the one that we did that we 571 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 2: did in real time, that was a one day training. 572 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 2: We started at about uh I think we started at 573 00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 2: seven o'clock on the dot, seven or eight, and we 574 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,399 Speaker 2: ended at six. We had a lunch break, and well, 575 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:04,920 Speaker 2: we just plowed through that information. And even with lunch, 576 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 2: we still just plow through it so I can make 577 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:10,160 Speaker 2: it a one day thing, or it can be two days. 578 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 2: One day is really the most affordable because I can 579 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 2: come in on a Friday night, do the training all day, 580 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,399 Speaker 2: and then leave out on Sunday so that it doesn't 581 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 2: interfere with my other things that I do. That's the 582 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:24,679 Speaker 2: real thing. MH awesome. 583 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 3: Appreciate it. I'm putting on my bucket list, so we're 584 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 3: gonna make it happen. I appreciate it, and think of 585 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 3: what's service I'm in DC. 586 00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:36,399 Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, I see people do the work first if 587 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,879 Speaker 2: they contact me and say, oh can you do this? 588 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 2: And can't do that? And can you know you do it? See, 589 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 2: that's the first start of being an organizer. You figure 590 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 2: out you don't need a lot of people. Get twenty 591 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,119 Speaker 2: thirty people in the room. You raise the money, not me, 592 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 2: because I'm not answering them for nothing, because they're not. 593 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 2: If it's coming to this Twitter and say, you know, 594 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:55,880 Speaker 2: I see plenty of people selling their training for five 595 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 2: hundred dollars and two thousand dollars and five thousand dollars. 596 00:26:58,200 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 2: I know I could do that if I want to. 597 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:05,359 Speaker 2: I don't want to. I'd rather just get clients, and no, 598 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 2: I'm not available by the way, anybody listen. I'm not 599 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 2: available to anybody on Twitter to be a client. Nobody. Sorry, unfortunately, 600 00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:13,200 Speaker 2: just how it just got to be what it is, y'all. 601 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:21,240 Speaker 2: Keep too much bullshit going on? What what's the next one? Jake? Yep. 602 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,199 Speaker 3: The final person we have on stage is oh, we 603 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:25,760 Speaker 3: just had Jesus's half brother. 604 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 2: I guess jesus half brother dropped off. Okay? Is that 605 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 2: it for everybody? Nothing else? All hearts and minds agree, 606 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 2: are clear? All right? Guys, Well, thank you so much 607 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 2: for participating in the podcast. This will be on the 608 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 2: Straight Shot No Chaseer podcast, So it is on iHeartRadio. 609 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,920 Speaker 2: We will be uploading it. We finished about two hours 610 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 2: of time. I'm gonna break it up and chop this 611 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 2: up in thirty minutes at a time. Put a one 612 00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 2: hundred if you like this, because I do enjoy talking 613 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 2: to you guys, taking your questions. I put a one 614 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:01,199 Speaker 2: hundred if you got any kind of inspiration. I know 615 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 2: I'm a little rough. I know it's kind of hard 616 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,119 Speaker 2: to hear, but guys, I know you can do this. 617 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 2: I really really do, and sometimes we just need a challenge. 618 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 2: We just need a good swift kick with receipts, letting 619 00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 2: you know it's possible. Showing the receipts is really, really possible. 620 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:17,719 Speaker 2: I at no time want you to think that what 621 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 2: you're doing on Twitter is not effective. It's it because 622 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:22,880 Speaker 2: it is. I just want you to start a political 623 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,200 Speaker 2: action committee. I want you to actually start it. I've 624 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 2: been talking about it now for over a year, specifically 625 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 2: on Twitter. I want you to start the Political Action Committee. 626 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:32,399 Speaker 2: I want you to raise the money. I want you 627 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 2: to pay yourselves a salary. I want you to go 628 00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 2: get grants. All this shaming y'all was doing about you, 629 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 2: they shouldn't be paid for you crazy watch, wouldn't you 630 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 2: want to be paid full time to advocate? It's a 631 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 2: full time job. It's a full time job. It's not 632 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 2: a flex to sit up here and look. That's why 633 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 2: a lot of y'all can't go by your real name, 634 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:51,960 Speaker 2: because you're scared to lose your job. Well, if you 635 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,320 Speaker 2: start a political action committee, you can pay yourself a salary. 636 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:55,960 Speaker 2: You ain't got worry about losing your job. You can 637 00:28:56,000 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 2: finally be like me and use your real name, be 638 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 2: more strategic with how y'all moving. I promised to hire 639 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 2: two people from this Twitter space and I have. I 640 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,480 Speaker 2: told y'all was gonna hire my sell as I did. 641 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 2: I told you gonna hire Jade. I did not much. 642 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 2: It ain't they full time job. But I pay people. 643 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 2: Let's put that on the record. I ain't ask somebody 644 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 2: to do nothing for me for free, nothing, and I 645 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 2: didn't cry fun to do it. That's what leadership looked like. 646 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 2: And if you can't pay nobody to help you, well 647 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:41,960 Speaker 2: you're not the boss that you claim to be. That's 648 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 2: just real talk. I'm just telling you what what leadership 649 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 2: looked like. Pay people for their time, and you don't 650 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 2: have to raise money to pay the same people you 651 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 2: raising the money, and I'm paying you what you just 652 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:59,520 Speaker 2: gave me the raise to pay you. Nothing wrong with raising, 653 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 2: let me get straight. I'm just telling you there's levels 654 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 2: to it. You're not gonna find me doing it. That's 655 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 2: why I would love to do the train all over 656 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 2: the country. But we I'm sorry. Too many people are 657 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 2: on this app playing with y'all, and I have to differentiate, 658 00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 2: I really do. I have to make myself separate in 659 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 2: a part, you know, because I don't want to be 660 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,040 Speaker 2: caught up in that. Some people are really doing it 661 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:19,960 Speaker 2: for the right reason. By the way, I'm not talking 662 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,480 Speaker 2: about any one particular person. I'm just talking about the 663 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 2: pattern of what I see y'all do every time somebody 664 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 2: asks for a dollar drifting, every time somebody got something 665 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 2: to say, opt, every time something day in opt, day 666 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,440 Speaker 2: of this, day of that. You ain't of this, you 667 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,360 Speaker 2: ain't of that, And I just I just can't do it, 668 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 2: and it's just not worth it. So social media, unfortunately, 669 00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 2: I just don't like consumer. The consumer sells, you know. 670 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:47,760 Speaker 2: It just it's just not good. It's negative. It's not 671 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,800 Speaker 2: people trying to move forward. But I'm grateful for you guys, 672 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:52,880 Speaker 2: because when I did do the training, a lot of 673 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 2: y'all you know that follow me on Twitter, came over. 674 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 2: So I am, you know, grateful for you guys. But 675 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,000 Speaker 2: I just don't want to put myself in a situation 676 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,680 Speaker 2: where I got to do a drive by on somebody. 677 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 2: That's really the bottom line. 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