WEBVTT - Ep. 443: Render - True Confessions in the Turkey Woods 0:00:14.720 --> 0:00:17.120 My name is Clay Nucomb and this is a production 0:00:17.360 --> 0:00:20.560 of the Bear Grease podcast called The Bear Grease Render, 0:00:20.720 --> 0:00:24.119 where we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the 0:00:24.160 --> 0:00:26.640 scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast. 0:00:27.080 --> 0:00:30.960 Brought to you by Takova's Boots. I'm a cowboy. 0:00:30.560 --> 0:00:33.680 Boot man and I've been wearing Takovis for years with 0:00:33.840 --> 0:00:36.000 the most comfortable boot I've ever put on. 0:00:36.440 --> 0:00:38.040 Good boots for good times. 0:00:46.840 --> 0:00:50.479 Welcome to the Bear Grease Render, presented by Takoba's Western 0:00:50.479 --> 0:00:53.960 Wearing Boots. I'm in the Takovi's hot seat right now. 0:00:54.400 --> 0:00:57.840 But on this render, we're actually in Mississippi on a 0:00:57.920 --> 0:01:03.160 camp on the Mississippi River with my good friends Lake 0:01:03.200 --> 0:01:06.960 Pickle Backwood University and Jordan bliss It. And these guys 0:01:07.480 --> 0:01:10.200 I've decided are probably some of the best turkey hunters 0:01:10.200 --> 0:01:12.440 that I have ever turkey hunted with. And on this 0:01:12.640 --> 0:01:16.040 render we're talking all about turkey hunting. We're talking about 0:01:16.040 --> 0:01:20.440 some missus, we're talking about some successful hunts, and it's 0:01:20.640 --> 0:01:23.959 just a good podcast. I also want to tell you 0:01:24.000 --> 0:01:28.399 about Blood Trails season two by my friend Jordan Sellers. 0:01:29.120 --> 0:01:31.960 It's a true crime podcast about hunting and fishing. He 0:01:31.959 --> 0:01:34.800 does an incredible job. I mean, I've listened to every 0:01:34.840 --> 0:01:38.080 episode and I've been riveted by every episode, and I 0:01:38.120 --> 0:01:42.880 think you will too. And it premieres April sixteenth. I 0:01:42.880 --> 0:01:45.600 hope you enjoy this podcast. I'll be sitting here in 0:01:45.640 --> 0:01:49.360 the Tacos hot seat. We're at a camp on the 0:01:49.400 --> 0:01:54.840 Mississippi River in the state of Mississippi. We are for 0:01:54.840 --> 0:01:56.600 those of you not watching the YouTube channel, we are 0:01:56.680 --> 0:02:01.640 actually sitting at a poker table. What I mean, am 0:02:01.640 --> 0:02:02.240 I correct? 0:02:02.360 --> 0:02:03.160 This is a poker tabe. 0:02:03.200 --> 0:02:06.720 What would Judy Newcomb think about this exactly? 0:02:07.040 --> 0:02:07.520 I don't know. 0:02:07.560 --> 0:02:10.320 I hope she doesn't watch, but we we do have. 0:02:10.919 --> 0:02:14.520 We've got Lake and Lacy Pickle with us. Lacy, this 0:02:14.560 --> 0:02:17.560 is your second time on the Beargershrender it is. Yes, Yes, 0:02:18.080 --> 0:02:23.960 We're expecting great things from you on today's episode. Funny stories, energy, 0:02:24.800 --> 0:02:29.520 intel in the Lake Pickle's life, the truth, the truth, Yeah, 0:02:29.639 --> 0:02:33.400 the truth about Lake Pickle and uh. 0:02:33.760 --> 0:02:35.000 So it's great to have you, Lacey. 0:02:35.200 --> 0:02:36.040 Thanks for having me. 0:02:36.240 --> 0:02:40.280 Yes, Lake's good to have you man. Thanks, uh and 0:02:40.400 --> 0:02:43.600 Jordan blessed yep, proud to be here. So you guys, 0:02:44.080 --> 0:02:46.920 so you've you've been on a have you been on 0:02:46.960 --> 0:02:47.440 a render. 0:02:47.560 --> 0:02:49.520 Yeah, several of them, I think so. Yeah. 0:02:49.560 --> 0:02:50.280 I think you have to. 0:02:50.440 --> 0:02:55.920 Thank you were a really low on clientele and you yeah, yeah. 0:02:56.280 --> 0:02:58.480 And then we've got Josh Lambridge Spilmaker over there. 0:02:58.560 --> 0:03:00.760 Yes, sir, I'm here, always here. 0:03:00.680 --> 0:03:03.200 Yes, yes, well okay. 0:03:03.480 --> 0:03:05.399 What I would like to do is if everybody could 0:03:05.440 --> 0:03:08.520 just pull out the stack of poker chips. 0:03:08.480 --> 0:03:08.880 And. 0:03:11.000 --> 0:03:12.720 Every time that. 0:03:15.200 --> 0:03:20.200 Josh's trip to Patagonia comes up, I want everybody to 0:03:20.240 --> 0:03:21.560 put a chip on the table. 0:03:22.680 --> 0:03:29.320 We didn't do that in Pedagonya, and I guess it 0:03:29.400 --> 0:03:33.560 happened once, okay, And then every time that the turkey 0:03:33.600 --> 0:03:37.560 hunt from today that involves Lake that we'll hear about 0:03:37.600 --> 0:03:39.880 later comes up, we'll put another chip on the table. 0:03:43.160 --> 0:03:43.800 Jordan, is there. 0:03:43.720 --> 0:03:46.640 Anything that you would what? What topics do you think 0:03:46.640 --> 0:03:49.040 are gonna come up on this episode? This episode is 0:03:49.080 --> 0:03:52.160 about turkey Hunt. That's what it's about. We're in the peak. 0:03:52.680 --> 0:03:55.680 I mean, you could argue that April the eighth, the 0:03:55.760 --> 0:03:58.880 day we're recording this is as good a day as 0:03:58.880 --> 0:03:59.880 there is a turkey hunt. 0:03:59.880 --> 0:04:00.680 You're in the throes. 0:04:00.760 --> 0:04:02.760 You could say that it is supposed to be the 0:04:02.800 --> 0:04:06.400 peak rood of Mississippi and the Turkey rut peak. 0:04:06.720 --> 0:04:11.080 When would you say, because the Turkey season opens early 0:04:11.400 --> 0:04:17.040 in Florida, Alabama, and Mississippi. I mean Florida opens March first, 0:04:17.760 --> 0:04:21.760 south Zone south zone. South zone of Florida opens low I. 0:04:21.920 --> 0:04:24.279 Seventy opens the first Saturday in March. 0:04:24.920 --> 0:04:27.200 Okay first, so that's not necessarily March first. 0:04:27.000 --> 0:04:29.200 Right, and then and then the North zone of Florida. 0:04:29.240 --> 0:04:32.040 Everything north of seventy opens March fifteenth, unless. 0:04:32.160 --> 0:04:33.479 It's later later too. 0:04:34.720 --> 0:04:38.120 Mississippi is a second state that opens in the United States. 0:04:37.800 --> 0:04:41.760 Now, because Alabama opens March twenty fifth or something like that. 0:04:41.880 --> 0:04:44.200 Yeah, so there's three states that open in March. 0:04:44.920 --> 0:04:45.360 Yeah. 0:04:46.120 --> 0:04:48.719 We were walking, we were walking through the woods yesterday 0:04:49.200 --> 0:04:52.200 and I asked Lake. I said, I said, is it 0:04:52.560 --> 0:04:54.560 the opener of your season here? And he looked at 0:04:54.560 --> 0:04:58.880 me like you should know this, Oh, season has been open. 0:04:59.279 --> 0:05:01.240 Like I'm a expert on Mississippi. 0:05:01.279 --> 0:05:04.000 We've been rolling for three weeks or three and a 0:05:04.040 --> 0:05:04.760 half weeks. 0:05:05.320 --> 0:05:06.120 So when is that? 0:05:06.279 --> 0:05:10.200 When if you had three days to hunt? Question for 0:05:10.279 --> 0:05:16.120 Lake and Jordan here, when would you hunt here? I'm Mississippi. 0:05:16.240 --> 0:05:20.320 Oh, I mean it would here, It'd probably be around 0:05:22.520 --> 0:05:25.240 somewhere in that first week of April on a typical season. 0:05:25.600 --> 0:05:29.280 Okay, if I was only in allow three days, do 0:05:29.400 --> 0:05:31.320 that have to be consecutive or three separate? 0:05:31.320 --> 0:05:32.119 That's a good question. 0:05:32.480 --> 0:05:33.560 Let's go three separate? 0:05:33.640 --> 0:05:38.440 Sure, opening day, yeah, okay, April first, okay, and then 0:05:38.520 --> 0:05:39.600 the last day of season. 0:05:39.760 --> 0:05:41.640 Really okay, Why walk me through? 0:05:41.640 --> 0:05:42.599 Why quantify that. 0:05:42.720 --> 0:05:48.279 I've had great hunts all three of those days historical data? 0:05:48.520 --> 0:05:50.800 He is right, like, it's if you if you could 0:05:50.880 --> 0:05:54.320 break him up, I would lean towards the April, like 0:05:54.360 --> 0:05:58.040 I said, But something about the opening day, like before 0:05:58.120 --> 0:05:59.359 they've been messed with, you. 0:05:59.560 --> 0:06:02.560 Might just get one that just yeah, you ken in on. 0:06:02.720 --> 0:06:06.040 These turkeys are unpressured, right, and a lot of. 0:06:05.960 --> 0:06:09.320 Times too the opening weekend you may not like have 0:06:09.360 --> 0:06:11.919 a turkey like come in and do it right to 0:06:11.960 --> 0:06:15.240 the gun barrel, but you hear a lot of turkey vocalizations. Yeah, 0:06:15.960 --> 0:06:18.400 they're usually still grouped up, so you get to hear 0:06:18.440 --> 0:06:22.440 the hens cackling and multiple guiblers gabbling and Jake's yelp 0:06:22.480 --> 0:06:24.560 and the whole she bang. Yeah, you know, it's it's 0:06:24.560 --> 0:06:26.279 a cool experience when you get in a group of 0:06:26.279 --> 0:06:27.919 turkeys that opening week. 0:06:28.880 --> 0:06:36.000 M fact, have they so seven eight years ago, maybe longer, 0:06:36.480 --> 0:06:39.480 there was this big push in wild turkey biology about 0:06:39.600 --> 0:06:44.039 these early season openers being harmful to nesting hens, and so, 0:06:45.000 --> 0:06:47.840 I mean it was it was very strongly put out there, 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:50.600 and all the states moved their seasons back, but they 0:06:50.640 --> 0:06:53.279 did in Arkansas to the point that, I mean, nobody 0:06:53.279 --> 0:06:56.400 gets excited about even hunting the state anymore because it's like, 0:06:57.120 --> 0:06:58.080 it's like so late. 0:06:58.240 --> 0:07:00.680 It's just the April, isn't it. 0:07:00.960 --> 0:07:04.599 Yeah, twenty something or twentieth it's actually April twentieth. 0:07:05.279 --> 0:07:06.960 Uh, and they're still goblin then. 0:07:07.120 --> 0:07:10.920 But used to when I was growing up, it would 0:07:10.960 --> 0:07:14.240 have been like the first Saturday in April or something 0:07:14.320 --> 0:07:16.880 like that. I mean, I many times remember hunting in 0:07:16.880 --> 0:07:21.280 the early April. Have they decided that that was good 0:07:21.360 --> 0:07:25.800 biology or maybe I've heard I've heard a couple of 0:07:25.800 --> 0:07:26.480 different stories. 0:07:26.640 --> 0:07:29.880 So thankfully, Mississippi has not changed anything from what we've 0:07:29.920 --> 0:07:34.840 been doing for twentieth years. Yep, they actually opened ours 0:07:34.920 --> 0:07:40.520 earlier now than they did back in the nineties. Yeah, 0:07:40.760 --> 0:07:43.640 there was a big uproar because we had a swing 0:07:43.680 --> 0:07:46.440 in turkey populations there for four or five six years. 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:48.480 It's still not what it was twenty five years ago. 0:07:48.520 --> 0:07:52.360 Everybody knows that. But the last four or five years 0:07:52.360 --> 0:07:56.040 we've had outstanding hatches. And right now we have as 0:07:56.080 --> 0:07:58.520 many turkeys as I've seen in my lifetime. 0:07:58.920 --> 0:08:01.720 Yeah, turkey number are strong right now. I don't don't 0:08:01.800 --> 0:08:05.160 quote me on this, but I'm pretty sure. And Jordan 0:08:05.200 --> 0:08:08.720 you may know they some folks are almost looking at 0:08:08.720 --> 0:08:12.720 it like an experiment, because you have Mississippi that stayed 0:08:12.760 --> 0:08:15.840 with the old season framework, and then you have Alabama 0:08:15.920 --> 0:08:17.880 right next door. In a bunch of other states, Tennessee 0:08:17.960 --> 0:08:21.800 pushed theirs back and so and I think it's I mean, 0:08:21.800 --> 0:08:24.200 we're I don't know, like maybe four or five years 0:08:24.200 --> 0:08:26.360 into it, So I know some folks are looking into 0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:26.840 it that way. 0:08:26.880 --> 0:08:28.760 It's kind of like a case study. 0:08:28.640 --> 0:08:31.200 To see how it works out, right, because I haven't 0:08:31.240 --> 0:08:34.120 heard it hasn't it hasn't been long enough for them 0:08:34.160 --> 0:08:36.400 to go, yeah, this is actually helping or this is 0:08:36.559 --> 0:08:37.600 kind of a non factor. 0:08:37.840 --> 0:08:44.400 Yeah, yeah, Okay, what do you think, Lacy? You're gonna 0:08:44.440 --> 0:08:48.199 lean on Lake's opinion? Yeah, biology, okay. 0:08:47.960 --> 0:08:49.680 I am a report of wife Clay. 0:08:49.800 --> 0:08:54.680 Yes, yeah, great, you can you can. 0:08:55.480 --> 0:08:58.120 We'll we'll see what you feel about what happened today 0:08:58.480 --> 0:08:59.880 that Lake will talk about later. 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:04.760 Okay, there's no turkeys in Patagonia by the way, right, 0:09:06.240 --> 0:09:08.240 So that brings up a great question. 0:09:09.080 --> 0:09:13.120 Josh, Josh Spilmmaker two days ago, was in three days ago, 0:09:13.240 --> 0:09:20.120 was in Santiago, Chili, Chile, and uh so, Josh just. 0:09:20.040 --> 0:09:22.880 Came back from a big fishing trip. Moving on. 0:09:24.040 --> 0:09:28.439 That was back to that was quick now you were there, 0:09:28.480 --> 0:09:30.480 you were there for ten days. Called a huge brown trout. 0:09:30.520 --> 0:09:33.719 You just your trip for Yeah, oh, I gave you 0:09:34.720 --> 0:09:37.960 deserve You deserved this, Josh, you deserve this. You deserve 0:09:38.040 --> 0:09:38.560 two minutes. 0:09:38.679 --> 0:09:41.680 It was a great, great trip. Patagony is actually a 0:09:41.920 --> 0:09:46.520 really amazing place if you are a fly fisherman. I 0:09:46.559 --> 0:09:49.800 can't say if you're a hunter, it's probably not somewhere 0:09:49.800 --> 0:09:51.640 that you want to be. They they they don't have 0:09:51.720 --> 0:09:55.600 any big game, which is a interesting that to the 0:09:55.600 --> 0:09:57.840 best of your So a lot of the at least 0:09:57.920 --> 0:10:01.439 the region you know, Chile is like most of it 0:10:01.480 --> 0:10:05.240 is one hundred miles wide, but it's over four thousand 0:10:05.320 --> 0:10:06.000 miles long. 0:10:06.200 --> 0:10:06.920 That's increable. 0:10:06.920 --> 0:10:10.080 And the region that we were in a big part 0:10:10.120 --> 0:10:15.000 of it looks like Montana and they're you know, ranches 0:10:15.040 --> 0:10:19.480 that are two hundred thousand acres and in the only 0:10:20.000 --> 0:10:23.720 the only I mean they run cattle, they run sheep. 0:10:24.240 --> 0:10:26.800 But there's no no big ung. 0:10:26.679 --> 0:10:30.000 There's no Yeah. He show me pictures. Looks like Montana. 0:10:30.080 --> 0:10:35.280 Yeah, yeah, there's no there's no servids bigger than Yeah. 0:10:35.280 --> 0:10:38.760 They have a native servid that's that's really I can't 0:10:38.800 --> 0:10:41.559 remember the name of it. It's a but it's only 0:10:42.559 --> 0:10:46.640 He told me forty forty centimeters tall, which is like 0:10:46.640 --> 0:10:47.960 like sixteen inches. 0:10:48.320 --> 0:10:50.520 So they've got they've got pumas. Mountain lion. 0:10:50.559 --> 0:10:53.000 You do have some pumas. Yeah, they do have some pumas. 0:10:53.200 --> 0:10:55.000 But other than that they have they have a bird 0:10:55.000 --> 0:10:59.199 that looks like an ostrich called a ria, which is 0:10:59.240 --> 0:11:01.160 wild because we're driving through and he's like, there's some 0:11:01.200 --> 0:11:03.960 maria and there's just these two big giant birds just 0:11:04.040 --> 0:11:06.280 out in this flightless grassland. 0:11:06.280 --> 0:11:07.680 Ostrich like birds. Yep. 0:11:07.960 --> 0:11:11.559 Color they they're brown, dark brown, kind of like yeah, look, 0:11:11.640 --> 0:11:12.800 look looks similar to. 0:11:12.840 --> 0:11:14.760 Now what I thought South America. 0:11:14.920 --> 0:11:18.959 I've seen video of a mountain lion what looked like 0:11:18.960 --> 0:11:22.120 a mountain lion attacking these lama like animals. 0:11:21.679 --> 0:11:26.280 They do have, they don't have as many lamas in Chile, 0:11:26.440 --> 0:11:28.200 as they have alpacas well. 0:11:28.640 --> 0:11:31.160 These appeared to be wild animals. 0:11:31.400 --> 0:11:34.760 I didn't see any any wild and they didn't they 0:11:34.800 --> 0:11:38.640 didn't mention it. All their all their native game is protected. 0:11:39.160 --> 0:11:42.840 You can't can't hunt it. But but a lot of 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:46.079 the critters that they do have were introduced, like in fact, 0:11:46.080 --> 0:11:50.120 the trout, the brown trout were introduced in the late sixties. 0:11:50.360 --> 0:11:53.480 Can you imagine showing up on a continent, especially if 0:11:53.480 --> 0:11:58.280 you had knowledge of Africa, just the plethora of wild 0:11:58.360 --> 0:12:01.880 game that's on the Africa and continent, and then you 0:12:01.920 --> 0:12:05.680 came to North America and saw, you know, I mean, 0:12:05.760 --> 0:12:08.960 we have a we have a vast array of big game, 0:12:09.120 --> 0:12:14.280 not as not as varied as Africa, but but pretty impressive. 0:12:14.160 --> 0:12:14.640 We got a lot. 0:12:15.040 --> 0:12:19.079 And then you go to this other continent and they 0:12:19.080 --> 0:12:21.439 got a bunch of monkeys, big. 0:12:21.160 --> 0:12:25.079 Snakes, one one. Well they have jaguars. 0:12:25.160 --> 0:12:27.839 Maybe not in Chile, but yeah, in the north, maybe 0:12:27.880 --> 0:12:30.679 in the northern in South America they would have jaguars. 0:12:30.679 --> 0:12:32.400 And I'm talking about us. 0:12:32.440 --> 0:12:34.679 I'm talking about an area that would be considered small 0:12:34.679 --> 0:12:36.960 in Chile. You know, Chile goes all the way up 0:12:37.040 --> 0:12:40.080 nearly to the equator and almost all the way to Antarctica. 0:12:40.600 --> 0:12:44.440 So I mean there's a there's a wild range of 0:12:44.480 --> 0:12:47.280 geography and in there. So you know, up up in 0:12:47.280 --> 0:12:51.080 the northern part they might have more more of what 0:12:51.120 --> 0:12:54.200 you would find in in in northern South America. But 0:12:54.720 --> 0:12:56.679 where I was at it, I mean there was there 0:12:56.679 --> 0:12:59.120 were no poisonous snakes, there were no poisonous bugs. 0:12:59.120 --> 0:13:02.240 There were no no poison ivy. 0:13:01.960 --> 0:13:04.920 No poison ivy, I mean, yeah, no poison plants. I 0:13:05.000 --> 0:13:06.760 have these beetles. I didn't show you a picture of 0:13:06.760 --> 0:13:08.160 the beetles. They have these beetles. 0:13:08.280 --> 0:13:09.679 Oh you did that. 0:13:09.280 --> 0:13:12.440 That bore into these beech trees that are about the 0:13:12.480 --> 0:13:16.040 body is about about two inches long, but they have 0:13:16.160 --> 0:13:20.840 these huge jaws on the front that are about another 0:13:20.920 --> 0:13:23.160 inch and a half long, and they're pretty wild looking. 0:13:24.520 --> 0:13:26.400 How would you like to have that snap your dad? 0:13:26.440 --> 0:13:27.200 Yeah, no kidding. 0:13:27.640 --> 0:13:31.960 So you you caught one big brown trout. 0:13:31.800 --> 0:13:34.720 Caught a trophy brown trout twenty eight twenty nine inches 0:13:34.800 --> 0:13:37.800 long and fifteen to twenty pounds on a fly rod. 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:38.880 It was that's awesome. 0:13:39.000 --> 0:13:41.200 It was a kind of a catch of a lifetime. 0:13:41.400 --> 0:13:44.319 So you can check that out on my Instagram. 0:13:44.360 --> 0:13:45.679 They were beautiful too. 0:13:46.320 --> 0:13:50.360 So we were talking about the turkey regulations in Mississippi. 0:13:50.640 --> 0:13:52.160 Somehow when we got on that. 0:13:52.440 --> 0:13:54.880 It was a perfect segue in the Patagonia mm hm. 0:13:55.640 --> 0:13:56.040 Okay. 0:13:58.280 --> 0:14:00.800 So at the end, at the end of this, keep 0:14:00.840 --> 0:14:10.640 your stacks separate from Patagonia and Lakes Lake's story, which 0:14:10.640 --> 0:14:16.440 we're gonna count that as one, and whoever wins wins 0:14:16.480 --> 0:14:17.680 between Josh and Lake. 0:14:18.360 --> 0:14:22.000 For uh, you're falling behind, like, so I haven't gone yet. 0:14:23.040 --> 0:14:28.280 So okay Mississippi, Okay, these early season dates, we just 0:14:28.320 --> 0:14:30.800 don't have enough years to know if they're really help. 0:14:31.160 --> 0:14:33.600 I think they probably do help turkey numbers because people 0:14:33.640 --> 0:14:36.160 don't kill as many turkeys because you're not hunting at 0:14:36.200 --> 0:14:40.080 the peak. I know in Arkansas. I just feel like 0:14:40.160 --> 0:14:44.360 if the two week turkey season was the April first 0:14:44.440 --> 0:14:47.960 or April fifteenth, you'd kill more turkeys than April twentieth. 0:14:47.520 --> 0:14:51.160 And May fifth. Now I feel like you would don't 0:14:51.280 --> 0:14:51.720 know that. 0:14:51.800 --> 0:14:54.960 This is my This is my hypothesis based on nothing 0:14:55.000 --> 0:14:57.960 but anecdotal evidence, not based off science or anything, but 0:14:57.960 --> 0:15:03.640 it's just anecdotal. I think that if they ever I 0:15:03.640 --> 0:15:04.880 don't know if they ever shift it. 0:15:04.880 --> 0:15:05.400 Back or not. 0:15:05.560 --> 0:15:07.320 But I think that they're going to figure out the 0:15:07.360 --> 0:15:09.200 season framework as a non factor. 0:15:09.720 --> 0:15:12.440 I like the sound of that, Like, that's just my thought. 0:15:12.560 --> 0:15:14.600 I feel the same way I do. 0:15:14.800 --> 0:15:16.920 You know it, that's not because I want to haunt 0:15:16.960 --> 0:15:19.440 earlier every year, but I just don't see a difference. 0:15:19.680 --> 0:15:23.960 Yeah, you know, there's there's this fine there's this fine line. 0:15:24.160 --> 0:15:27.360 We've seen it with black bears in Arkansas and turkeys 0:15:27.400 --> 0:15:28.200 with Arkansas. 0:15:28.720 --> 0:15:29.360 Is when. 0:15:30.960 --> 0:15:33.040 I mean, we've got to have a conservation in mind 0:15:33.080 --> 0:15:34.480 when we set our season dates. 0:15:34.840 --> 0:15:36.200 I mean you absolutely do. 0:15:36.280 --> 0:15:37.760 Oh yeah, of course, I mean you have to. 0:15:39.000 --> 0:15:43.600 But in the case of moving the season dates later, 0:15:44.120 --> 0:15:48.080 and in the case of I can't go too much 0:15:48.080 --> 0:15:51.520 into the Arkansas black bear season. But but for over 0:15:51.560 --> 0:15:55.560 a decade we've had these like really late black bear openers, 0:15:56.080 --> 0:16:01.240 and the data just doesn't point to that that really 0:16:01.280 --> 0:16:07.720 that significant in the management of the bears. And it's 0:16:07.720 --> 0:16:12.400 but it puts a major major factor onto the to 0:16:12.440 --> 0:16:14.480 the hunting culture and the people involved in the sport, 0:16:14.560 --> 0:16:18.640 the people that actually care about hunting bears and turkeys too. 0:16:18.680 --> 0:16:21.760 I mean, like the late season opener has like stolen 0:16:21.840 --> 0:16:25.280 the soul of Arkansas turkey season, And granted, if we 0:16:25.320 --> 0:16:28.680 didn't have any turkeys, that would really steal the soul 0:16:28.720 --> 0:16:31.680 of Arkansas turkey hunting. So I'm not saying you lean 0:16:31.800 --> 0:16:34.080 towards culture over science. 0:16:34.360 --> 0:16:36.680 There's a balance there though, right, I mean, like, the 0:16:36.760 --> 0:16:40.040 science is heavily important, but if you don't have a 0:16:40.240 --> 0:16:44.720 hunting community there to appreciate that resource, then how far 0:16:44.880 --> 0:16:45.760 is it going to get you? 0:16:45.760 --> 0:16:47.960 You know what I mean? Yeah, So then that is And. 0:16:47.920 --> 0:16:50.640 I'm not trying to paint the picture that Alabama's turkey 0:16:50.840 --> 0:16:53.520 culture is gone, because it's it's very much alive and well, 0:16:53.640 --> 0:16:55.640 but it did, like. 0:16:55.920 --> 0:16:57.880 And I understood, ruffled some feathers. I do. 0:16:58.160 --> 0:17:01.200 I do think that people that though yeah, pun intended, 0:17:01.480 --> 0:17:04.880 I do think that the folks that made that decision 0:17:05.160 --> 0:17:07.280 did so in a conservation mindset. 0:17:07.359 --> 0:17:08.320 I fully believe that. 0:17:08.720 --> 0:17:12.800 But I do think they could put the Alabama season 0:17:12.800 --> 0:17:15.040 nowhere back to the way that it was and it 0:17:15.040 --> 0:17:15.800 would be fine. 0:17:16.280 --> 0:17:18.400 I also think it was an impulse decision. 0:17:20.240 --> 0:17:22.360 There's no everybody knows it. 0:17:22.600 --> 0:17:28.200 I mean, uh, major voices in turkey biology were saying 0:17:28.480 --> 0:17:29.680 stating this is a fact. 0:17:29.840 --> 0:17:30.199 Dude. 0:17:30.840 --> 0:17:33.960 Well I didn't say it, but I heard that, And 0:17:34.000 --> 0:17:36.520 now I was like pushing back, like I was scared. 0:17:36.680 --> 0:17:38.640 They get freaked me out because it got it got 0:17:38.680 --> 0:17:40.359 pretty I mean, I don't know how doom and gloom 0:17:40.400 --> 0:17:41.240 it actually got. 0:17:41.320 --> 0:17:43.040 But from my perspective at the time, I was like, 0:17:43.080 --> 0:17:44.160 we got to do something. 0:17:44.240 --> 0:17:46.560 And so yeah, when I first heard it, and that's 0:17:46.640 --> 0:17:48.200 I'm putting my own stuff on the chop of block. 0:17:48.240 --> 0:17:49.639 When I first heard it, I was like, it's probably 0:17:49.640 --> 0:17:50.080 a good thing. 0:17:50.240 --> 0:17:50.480 Yeah. 0:17:50.560 --> 0:17:50.840 Sure. 0:17:50.920 --> 0:17:54.400 Now with a little bit of retrospect, I see it differently. 0:17:54.560 --> 0:17:56.840 Well, time will. 0:17:56.720 --> 0:17:59.639 Tell, and it's it's it's encouraging that we've had some 0:17:59.640 --> 0:18:01.919 good hat and I think we've had good hatches all 0:18:01.960 --> 0:18:04.840 across the South. I know in Arkansas we've had better 0:18:04.840 --> 0:18:07.200 hatches than we've had in fifteen years. 0:18:07.840 --> 0:18:10.440 I just had a friend of mine that lives in 0:18:10.520 --> 0:18:13.880 Arkansas send me pictures from a place that they have 0:18:14.280 --> 0:18:18.399 in the those arcs of Three Gobblers. He said, this 0:18:18.520 --> 0:18:21.320 is first time in several years we've had this many 0:18:21.359 --> 0:18:23.120 turkeys on his place and they're fired up. 0:18:23.200 --> 0:18:23.560 That's all. 0:18:24.680 --> 0:18:27.760 What's he doing sending you those pictures. That's a mistake, buddy, 0:18:27.920 --> 0:18:30.399 If you're out there, don't send this guy pictures of 0:18:30.440 --> 0:18:32.359 the turkeys because he knows what to. 0:18:32.280 --> 0:18:35.359 Do with them. 0:18:35.920 --> 0:18:36.520 Two weeks ago. 0:18:36.720 --> 0:18:38.240 Now our friend Lake, on the other. 0:18:38.160 --> 0:18:41.520 Hand, Hey, oh. 0:18:41.040 --> 0:18:42.800 There, it is like that. 0:18:42.800 --> 0:18:44.760 That was like a foreshadowing chip. 0:18:45.320 --> 0:18:49.639 Question for everyone, play their foreshadowing. 0:18:49.880 --> 0:18:54.080 Okay, before we get to Lake's Lake's story, Hey, there's 0:18:54.080 --> 0:18:54.800 another one there. 0:18:57.240 --> 0:18:58.120 Jordans. 0:18:59.640 --> 0:19:04.040 Lake's said something about you yesterday that was very complimentary. 0:19:04.280 --> 0:19:06.760 Uh uh, he did, he did, and it was it 0:19:06.800 --> 0:19:08.440 was I thought it was a good description. 0:19:08.560 --> 0:19:10.200 This is okay, if I say what you said. 0:19:10.000 --> 0:19:11.239 Yeah, he's heard me say it. 0:19:11.480 --> 0:19:16.080 Yeah, he said, he said Jordan Bliss, it is not 0:19:16.280 --> 0:19:18.679 only I don't know if you use this term, but 0:19:18.800 --> 0:19:22.560 this is what I heard. An exceptional hunter. He's also 0:19:22.680 --> 0:19:26.639 exceptionally lucky. And a lot of people like when you 0:19:26.720 --> 0:19:27.440 have both. 0:19:27.680 --> 0:19:31.080 Yeah, what I said is you normally have what I 0:19:31.359 --> 0:19:33.399 what I appreciate it. I say, what you normally have 0:19:33.560 --> 0:19:35.439 is you have the hunting buddy that gets lucky all 0:19:35.480 --> 0:19:37.480 the time, and you have the hunting buddy that's really good. 0:19:38.119 --> 0:19:39.840 Somehow Jordan finds a way to be both. 0:19:41.000 --> 0:19:43.080 And you told me a story, and I want to 0:19:43.119 --> 0:19:46.639 hear Jordan tell the story. Okay, I mean you you 0:19:46.680 --> 0:19:50.800 can tag team, but the story. How can you tell it? 0:19:51.040 --> 0:19:53.800 We'all were on some on some land here in Mississippi. 0:19:53.880 --> 0:19:57.320 The one a couple of seasons ago when the turkey 0:19:57.400 --> 0:19:58.840 got spooked and flew into the tree. 0:20:00.119 --> 0:20:01.240 Tell us that whole story. 0:20:02.119 --> 0:20:07.080 So I had a drawhunt and Lake went with me, 0:20:07.800 --> 0:20:11.440 and I had been hunting the private land next to it, 0:20:11.520 --> 0:20:14.359 so we kind of knew where some turkeys were on 0:20:14.440 --> 0:20:19.000 the public area. And uh, we go in there and 0:20:19.040 --> 0:20:21.320 they pitch black dog. I may get in there early 0:20:21.359 --> 0:20:23.320 because we want to do the first one to the gate, right. 0:20:23.440 --> 0:20:25.480 You don't want to I don't want to be late 0:20:25.520 --> 0:20:27.040 when it comes to the puplic land hunting. 0:20:27.119 --> 0:20:29.240 We waited through a sea of briars too. 0:20:29.240 --> 0:20:33.040 And uh, I actually got access to come in kind 0:20:33.040 --> 0:20:35.440 of from the back door of this place. There's some 0:20:35.560 --> 0:20:38.119 private and if you can do that, you got to 0:20:38.160 --> 0:20:41.720