WEBVTT - 3. Creating a Crap Storm 

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<v Speaker 1>Gampsy media march lash.

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<v Speaker 2>So Rory, what are the good people of planet Earth

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<v Speaker 2>need to know to enjoy Episode three?

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<v Speaker 3>What happened last week?

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<v Speaker 4>Never partner up with a pothead when you're going to

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<v Speaker 4>be stealing massive amounts of money that belonged to a

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<v Speaker 4>bank and becomes a federal crime is the main issue.

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<v Speaker 4>But I will say, to our surprise, we find out

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<v Speaker 4>that David Gant, having put all this money in a

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<v Speaker 4>truck and passed it off to huge morons and even

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<v Speaker 4>being a moro on himself, somehow has made it to Cancun,

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<v Speaker 4>Mexico to lay low for as long as possible. And

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<v Speaker 4>so we wonder, well, what happened to the other gaggle

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<v Speaker 4>of geese while he's down there in Mexico. We're about

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<v Speaker 4>to find out here on episode three.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, then let's get onto the episode. Here's Crimeless Hillbilly

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<v Speaker 2>Heist Episode three.

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<v Speaker 5>It's the middle of the night at an upscale hotel

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<v Speaker 5>in Cancun, Mexico. David Gand has sprawled out on the bed,

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<v Speaker 5>still wearing his clothes and his pantyhose, money belt and

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<v Speaker 5>his cowboy boots stuffed with cash.

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<v Speaker 1>I wake up about three or four in morning. It's

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<v Speaker 1>almost like I'm hungover from adrenaline.

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<v Speaker 5>As David comes to he starts peeling off his clothes

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<v Speaker 5>to get to the money. He organizes the stack of bills.

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<v Speaker 5>The cash has been stuck to him for almost forty

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<v Speaker 5>eight hours. It's got that money stench he knew so

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<v Speaker 5>well from his days driving the Loomis van. But there's

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<v Speaker 5>a difference. This time. It's mixed with his own.

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<v Speaker 1>Stench, the essholes of Dave, if you will.

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<v Speaker 5>After all the stress of the heist and the escape,

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<v Speaker 5>suddenly everything is going easy. Yesterday his plane landed and

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<v Speaker 5>he breezed through Mexican customs while carrying twenty five grand

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<v Speaker 5>in small bills.

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<v Speaker 1>And they could care less. I could have took an

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<v Speaker 1>elephant off that airplane with me. Told him the circus

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<v Speaker 1>was in town.

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<v Speaker 5>He opped in a cab and the driver made him

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<v Speaker 5>feel right at home.

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<v Speaker 1>He speaks in very good English. Hotel expensive or cheap?

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<v Speaker 1>I go expensive, expensive as fine.

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<v Speaker 5>That's how David Gant got to this fancy hotel. Surreptitiously

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<v Speaker 5>paid for a two week stay in cash up front,

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<v Speaker 5>and smoothly tipped the concierge extra to ignore this suspicious

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<v Speaker 5>redheaded gringo, finally making it to his room, and now

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<v Speaker 5>as he's stacking the money, he realizes what he needs

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<v Speaker 5>to do next. As soon as the sun comes up

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<v Speaker 5>over Cancun's white sand beaches, it's time for a shopping spree.

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<v Speaker 5>The Kogle con Mall is just the place for a

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<v Speaker 5>man with a wallet full of stolen cash. It's got fountains, statues, skylights,

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<v Speaker 5>and luxury goods behind plexiglass, and for the first time

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<v Speaker 5>in his life, David can buy whatever he wants. His

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<v Speaker 5>first stop, of course, is a cowboy theme men's department.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll spend most of my life in work boots, but

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<v Speaker 1>I love cowboy boots. I like expensive cowboy groots.

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<v Speaker 5>Or at least he thinks he likes expensive cowboy boots,

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<v Speaker 5>he's never actually had a pair. He chooses a beautiful

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<v Speaker 5>pair of brown leather boots and realizes it'd be a

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<v Speaker 5>crime to put a cheap pair of socks in these puppies.

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<v Speaker 1>I could buy was like these silk liners for your socks.

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<v Speaker 1>That's extravagant. Let's get two of those.

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<v Speaker 5>He also needs some new gen and then the ultimate luxury.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is where I discovered the joy of khaki

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<v Speaker 1>cargo pants. I've been faithful to them ever since. Pockets.

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<v Speaker 1>You gotta have them.

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<v Speaker 5>In another store, David found a tailor who made silk

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<v Speaker 5>shirts sighs perfectly to his lanky measurements. He wisely ordered.

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<v Speaker 1>Four of them, red, green, blue, and white with deer

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<v Speaker 1>antler buttons. I let the money just fly. It was great,

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<v Speaker 1>just two hundred dollars sunglasses, shirt, give me two pairs.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh and to complete the look, he put on a

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<v Speaker 5>layer of spray TND. David's makeover is complete. Now what.

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<v Speaker 2>Now?

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<v Speaker 1>I've never had this problem. I've got money time.

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<v Speaker 6>What do I do?

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<v Speaker 1>Because usually my activity belimited to whatever was free or cheap,

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<v Speaker 1>And so I've got a really weird dilemma for myself.

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<v Speaker 1>What do I do?

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<v Speaker 5>He sees an ad for horseback riding, and all of

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<v Speaker 5>a sudden.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm riding horse through the Mexican jungle.

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<v Speaker 5>A fugitive on horseback wearing two hundred dollars sunglasses and

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<v Speaker 5>shiny new cowboy boots. Indiana Jones looks like a jump jockey.

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<v Speaker 5>Compared to David Gant on his South of the Border adventure,

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<v Speaker 5>everything David dreamed about is finally coming true. He just

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<v Speaker 5>needs to wait for Kelly to arrive with the rest

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<v Speaker 5>of the money so they can start their new life

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<v Speaker 5>together in Paradise.

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<v Speaker 1>I know that for her to leave is dangerous for

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<v Speaker 1>her and me. She would just draw him to me.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm thinking, if we can survive the first ninety one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and twenty days, things will cool off.

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<v Speaker 5>In excruciating weight, possibly not survivable, but there's a plan

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<v Speaker 5>to stay in contact. David will call a payphone at

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<v Speaker 5>a gas station a short drive from Kelly's house. Kelly

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<v Speaker 5>will be there to answer every Tuesday at one o'clock.

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<v Speaker 5>When the first call finally comes, Kelly sounds distressed.

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<v Speaker 1>She says, you know, hey, this has created a crapstorm. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>we've made a mess. This made national news. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think they understood what was going to happen. I'm like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he's stole almost twenty million dollars. What do you think

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<v Speaker 1>was gonna happen.

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<v Speaker 5>It's easy to be so casual if you're a desperado

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<v Speaker 5>and a silk shirt living in a luxury hotel. But

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<v Speaker 5>back home in North Carolina, the smell of that coming

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<v Speaker 5>crap storm was strong in the Breeze from SmartLess Media,

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<v Speaker 5>Campsite Media, and Big Money Players in partnership with iHeart Podcasts.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm Johnny Knoxville and you're listening to crime list phill

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<v Speaker 5>Billy Heist. This is episode three, The Oncoming Crap Storm.

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<v Speaker 6>I was a new agent and we were having lunch

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<v Speaker 6>and all our pages went off.

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<v Speaker 5>This is former FBI agent John Wydra. He is a tall,

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<v Speaker 5>handsome guy. One look from him and you'll feel like

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<v Speaker 5>you're probably guilty of something or wish you were.

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<v Speaker 6>Everybody has three lives everybody. You got your public life

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<v Speaker 6>that everybody knows about, you know, what you post on

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<v Speaker 6>Instagram or your Facebook page or whatever. Then you got

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<v Speaker 6>your private life that pretty much maybe only your spouse

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<v Speaker 6>and close family and friends know. Then you got your

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<v Speaker 6>secret life. That's where I spent most of my time

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<v Speaker 6>in everyone's secret life.

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<v Speaker 5>John was an imposing guy in his youth, especially for

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<v Speaker 5>a guy whose specialty was accounting. He looked like if

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<v Speaker 5>Dolph Lungern and David Hasselhoff put on a suit two

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<v Speaker 5>sizes too small, strong chin, quafft hair, ready to draw

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<v Speaker 5>his gun or a calculator at a moment's notice. On

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<v Speaker 5>this fateful Sunday in the fall of nineteen ninety seven.

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<v Speaker 5>He's barely a year into his time with the bureau.

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<v Speaker 6>I was thirty two. I was young, full of piss

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<v Speaker 6>and Benniger, you know, wanting to kick indoors chase people.

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<v Speaker 6>I was the moneylaundering coordinator for the State of North

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<v Speaker 6>Carolina at the time, and I'd worked financial crimes, any

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<v Speaker 6>type of financial crime, Ponzi schemes, embezzlements, things of that nature.

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<v Speaker 5>When Widra got to the office, agents were saying that

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<v Speaker 5>someone had robbed a Loomis Fargo armored car. But he

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<v Speaker 5>quickly learned that this sixtinc summary of events didn't quite

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<v Speaker 5>capture what had happened.

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<v Speaker 6>You normally think of an armored car robbery is like

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<v Speaker 6>coming in with guns and yanking people out at truck.

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<v Speaker 6>This was more like an embezzlement. But they took it

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<v Speaker 6>out of the money belonged to the bank, so it

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<v Speaker 6>was a federal crime.

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<v Speaker 5>Wydra and other agents were dispatched to Loomis Fargo to

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<v Speaker 5>assess the crime scene and interview the employees. When they

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<v Speaker 5>got there, they found a red Dodge Dakota pickup truck

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<v Speaker 5>that belonged to the Loomis vault manager David Scott ganned.

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<v Speaker 6>His wedding ring was left on the dashboard, so we

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<v Speaker 6>were thinking at first like this was a message he's

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<v Speaker 6>just moving on with his life.

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<v Speaker 5>That was the first clue. But when the agents got

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<v Speaker 5>inside the Loomis facility, the vault was locked. David had

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<v Speaker 5>set the timer so it couldn't be opened. Loomis had

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<v Speaker 5>a locksmith working furiously trying to bypass the system, but

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<v Speaker 5>in the meantime, the investigators couldn't get in to see

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<v Speaker 5>how much money was stolen. To make matters worse, the

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<v Speaker 5>security tapes were missing, well two of them were missing.

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<v Speaker 6>But he didn't realize that there was a third video

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<v Speaker 6>machine that they hid in the locked cabinet that only

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<v Speaker 6>executive management knew about.

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<v Speaker 5>For that very reason, a very pissed off Loomis manager

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<v Speaker 5>plays this tape for the FBI and it's really quite

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<v Speaker 5>a show.

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<v Speaker 6>You could see him on the camera working his ass

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<v Speaker 6>off to put the money in the van.

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<v Speaker 5>They still don't know how much money was gone, but

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<v Speaker 5>based on the video, it was a slop jar full.

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<v Speaker 6>It was a little over an hour of him back

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<v Speaker 6>and forth and you could see him sweating and stopping

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<v Speaker 6>and taking a break and loading up a palette and

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<v Speaker 6>pushing the palette over to the van. He's a rail

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<v Speaker 6>He couldn't weighed more than one hundred and fifty pounds,

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<v Speaker 6>soaking wet.

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<v Speaker 5>David was one determined fella, but determined and discerning are

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<v Speaker 5>two very different qualities. And there was another clue caught

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<v Speaker 5>on camera.

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<v Speaker 6>You could see in the video he kept stopping and

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<v Speaker 6>looking at his pager, so he was in communication with somebody,

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<v Speaker 6>and we ran the records. We found out that it

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<v Speaker 6>was his phone calling his pager, so it didn't really

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<v Speaker 6>lead anywhere, but he had given his phone to somebody,

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<v Speaker 6>So now we're looking for David ann at least one

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<v Speaker 6>other person.

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<v Speaker 5>Whydra and the other agents interviewed the other employees, but

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<v Speaker 5>they weren't very much help. David's motives were unclear. Did

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<v Speaker 5>he ditch the wedding ring and steal the money to

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<v Speaker 5>reboot his life or was he simply a stooge and

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<v Speaker 5>some mastermind had forced him into the crime. When agents

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<v Speaker 5>interviewed David's wife, Tammy, she was terrified. She had been

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<v Speaker 5>worrying about her husband's whereabouts ever since he hadn't come

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<v Speaker 5>home from work and had waited for news all night

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<v Speaker 5>long with David's parents. Tammy also had already filed the

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<v Speaker 5>missing persons report. She told the agents she didn't think

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<v Speaker 5>David would have robbed the vault unless he was forced to.

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<v Speaker 5>David's parents said the same thing. When the agents finally

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<v Speaker 5>got access to the vault, they discovered the full extent

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<v Speaker 5>of the crime. In a twist of fate, David had

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<v Speaker 5>robbed the vault on a weekend when it was stuff

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<v Speaker 5>with an unusually large amount of money. There was a

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<v Speaker 5>huge NASCAR race in town that weekend, a race sponsored

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<v Speaker 5>by Bank of America, as it turned out, and b

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<v Speaker 5>of A had a bunch of extra twenty dollars bills

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<v Speaker 5>ready to stock the ATMs, all adding a lot more

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<v Speaker 5>weight and value to David's hall.

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<v Speaker 6>Seventeen point three million dollars. When we've calculated how much

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<v Speaker 6>that would weigh, it was about twenty eight hundred pounds.

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<v Speaker 5>David Gant was missing, along with seventeen point three million dollars,

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<v Speaker 5>and the FBI hardly had any leads. But a couple

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<v Speaker 5>of days later, a man out in the sticks of

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<v Speaker 5>Mecklenburg County was mowing his lawn and saw an extremely

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<v Speaker 5>poorly hidden white.

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<v Speaker 6>Van and you could see through the window money, and

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<v Speaker 6>we're like, maybe all the money's there. Maybe got cold

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<v Speaker 6>feet and just left. We had no idea how much

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<v Speaker 6>it was, but you could tell it was a lot.

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<v Speaker 6>It was a lot of cash sitting in the back

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<v Speaker 6>of the van.

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<v Speaker 5>The FBI told the van back to their office to

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<v Speaker 5>break into it. A few of the Beefier agents used

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<v Speaker 5>the Steve Chambers method, pounding on the bulletproof glass with

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<v Speaker 5>large rocks for a few hours until they finally got

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<v Speaker 5>it open. Not really, the FEDS did FBI stuff to

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<v Speaker 5>open the van.

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<v Speaker 6>All we break into it and it's only three point

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<v Speaker 6>three million dollars that's in the back.

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<v Speaker 5>Nowhere close to all the money. But for the agents,

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<v Speaker 5>three million bucks just left behind wasn't the most shocking thing.

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<v Speaker 5>They found inside.

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<v Speaker 6>Two videotapes, the keys to the vault, the keys to

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<v Speaker 6>other trucks, they were all in there. So now we're

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<v Speaker 6>starting to worry. When we find that, We're like, there's

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<v Speaker 6>no way he left the videotapes. He intentionally took and

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<v Speaker 6>left them behind, and that we know he was working

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<v Speaker 6>with somebody else. So now we're thinking if this is

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<v Speaker 6>the mob David's dead.

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<v Speaker 5>Despite an abandoned armored truck and an empty bank vault

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<v Speaker 5>and a gun and the three videotapes, the FBI doesn't

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<v Speaker 5>have much to go on. Okay, they actually have lots

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<v Speaker 5>to go on, but they still don't have anything pointing

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<v Speaker 5>to who David was working with or being forced to

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<v Speaker 5>work with. But the Feds have an ace up their

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<v Speaker 5>sleeve because almost everyone in America still watches the same

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<v Speaker 5>five channels every night, and millions of them are about

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<v Speaker 5>to feast their eyeballs on the delightful parade of Holy shit,

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<v Speaker 5>my life could be way worse than it is America's most.

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<v Speaker 6>Wanted Focusing on the facts, it is exposing America's most wanted.

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<v Speaker 5>And America's most wanted is all in on the David

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<v Speaker 5>Gant story. The tips are about to start rolling in.

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<v Speaker 5>It's October eleventh, nineteen ninety seven. It's been a week

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<v Speaker 5>since David Gant emptied a bank vault with his bare hands,

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<v Speaker 5>and the FBI is still hoping for something that will

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<v Speaker 5>help them find David. The money and the person or

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<v Speaker 5>persons paging him during the crime tonight has the potential

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<v Speaker 5>to offer a big break in the case because at

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<v Speaker 5>nine PM, Eastern America's Most Wanted will air a segment

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<v Speaker 5>on David Gant, perpetrator of one of the largest cash

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<v Speaker 5>heists in American history. The FBI is expecting hundreds of

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<v Speaker 5>phone calls that could turn into actionable tips that will

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<v Speaker 5>help them track David down. They have agents manning the

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<v Speaker 5>America's Most Wanted phone bank and other agents positioned on

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<v Speaker 5>the streets of Charlotte standing by to run down any

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<v Speaker 5>clues that come in. John Widre is at the FBI

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<v Speaker 5>command post with the number of his colleagues, his eyes

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<v Speaker 5>glued to the TV. Right now, it's playoff baseball Game

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<v Speaker 5>three of the American League Championship, with the Baltimore Orioles

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<v Speaker 5>and Cleveland Indians battling for a spot in the World Series.

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<v Speaker 5>The stakes are high, but as baseball games tend to do,

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<v Speaker 5>this one drags on and on and on, it goes

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<v Speaker 5>into extra innings.

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<v Speaker 6>They come across and say it Americans must want. It

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<v Speaker 6>won't be played on the East Coast because of the

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<v Speaker 6>extra innings in this playoff game, which just kind of

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<v Speaker 6>took the wind out of our sales. We were really

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<v Speaker 6>hoping for some good leads and actually got nothing out

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<v Speaker 6>of it.

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<v Speaker 5>If anyone on the East Coast had been able to

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<v Speaker 5>watch the segment, they would have seen David's wife Tammy.

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<v Speaker 5>She's speaking directly to the camera, pleading with David to

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<v Speaker 5>call or come home if he can, and reminding him

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<v Speaker 5>that she loves him no matter what. And where is

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<v Speaker 5>David while his wife is begging him for a safe return?

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<v Speaker 1>Bouro football? They put you on the mule and what

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<v Speaker 1>they do is they have the soccer ball and they've

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<v Speaker 1>got the Burros don't care and you're out saying you

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<v Speaker 1>got a broom and the Burghs just look at You're like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to run.

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<v Speaker 5>Starting the day after the theft, Steve and Michelle Chambers

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<v Speaker 5>knew they couldn't just keep fourteen million dollars in plastic

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<v Speaker 5>barrels covered in dog food. That'd be stupid. They needed

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<v Speaker 5>to put that money to work. So on Monday morning

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<v Speaker 5>after the weekend Heis, Michelle stuffed a black briefcase full

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<v Speaker 5>of cash and walked into her local bank. She slyly

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<v Speaker 5>approached the teller, ready to weave a complicated web of deception.

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<v Speaker 5>Move number one on the four D chess board asked

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<v Speaker 5>to tell her how much cash she could deposit without

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<v Speaker 5>you know, the bank having to file paperwork. The teller

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<v Speaker 5>fell right into Michelle's trap and just answered the question.

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<v Speaker 5>The limit was ten thousand dollars. Now Michelle had all

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<v Speaker 5>the information she required for phase two of her ingenious plan.

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<v Speaker 5>She opened the briefcase right there at the window and

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<v Speaker 5>counted out ninety five hundred dollars of small bills, still

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<v Speaker 5>in the Lumis wrappers, of course, and handed them to

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<v Speaker 5>the teller. Then it was onto the third and final

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<v Speaker 5>phase of her plan. One last final bit of reassurance

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<v Speaker 5>for the teller so that she would forget this interaction

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<v Speaker 5>ever happened. Don't worry, Michelle told her it ain't drug money.

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<v Speaker 5>With that, she left and her bank account was almost

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<v Speaker 5>ten thousand dollars fuller without a trace of paperwork. Well done, Michelle,

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<v Speaker 5>except that teller definitely filed paperwork. What's known in the

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<v Speaker 5>trade is a suspicious activity report. So the FBI has

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<v Speaker 5>Michelle Chambers dead to rights, soda, because there's one problem.

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<v Speaker 5>It's still nineteen ninety seven.

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<v Speaker 7>Just because these bank tellers were filing forms about these

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<v Speaker 7>cash depositives did not mean that these forums were getting

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<v Speaker 7>to the FBI in real time. I think it took

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<v Speaker 7>one or two or maybe even three months often from

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<v Speaker 7>the time these were filled out to when the FBI

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<v Speaker 7>could actually use them, you know, in an actionable way.

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<v Speaker 5>But the chambers aren't just working to slowly sock money

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<v Speaker 5>away in the bank ninety five hundred bucks at a time.

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<v Speaker 5>The next morning, after the hist Steve had buried another

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<v Speaker 5>one hundred and fifty thousand dollars in a Duffel bag

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<v Speaker 5>in the backyard outside of their mobile home. Michelle was

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<v Speaker 5>home alone. A big rainstorm hit, water's pooling everywhere. She's

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<v Speaker 5>sure the money is getting soaked. She runs into the

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<v Speaker 5>middle of the storm and starts frantically digging holes trying

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<v Speaker 5>to recover the money, but of course Steve didn't mark

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<v Speaker 5>the location. Michelle is hysterical. She can't find the money,

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<v Speaker 5>and now her yard looks like it's been attacked by gophers.

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<v Speaker 5>When Steve returns home, he unhursed the cash. It's sopping wet.

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<v Speaker 5>No matter.

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<v Speaker 7>They decided to put the money in the dryer. Steve

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<v Speaker 7>told Michelle, based on something he'd heard, put poker chips

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<v Speaker 7>in there because it would help the money not be

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<v Speaker 7>stuck to each other, and it actually worked, a literal

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<v Speaker 7>example of money laundering.

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<v Speaker 5>A big win and maybe the first smart thing they've done,

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<v Speaker 5>which is not an indication of things to come, because

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<v Speaker 5>pretty much immediately after the hist Steve and Michelle do

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<v Speaker 5>the most conspicuous thing possible. They upgrade from their mobile

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<v Speaker 5>home to a literal mansion.

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<v Speaker 6>The house that.

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<v Speaker 7>Steve and Michelle moved into was a beautiful, beautiful house

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<v Speaker 7>and impress all of their friends and all of their relatives.

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<v Speaker 7>It had a really nice foyer with a curved staircase.

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<v Speaker 7>They had a grand piano in it, a huge kitchen,

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<v Speaker 7>a living room with a gas fireplace, a bedroom with

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<v Speaker 7>a fireplace. It was the type of place that you

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<v Speaker 7>would move into if you had lived in much smaller

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<v Speaker 7>surroundings and be like, I have made it, and everybody

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<v Speaker 7>who knows me from where I used to live is

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<v Speaker 7>going to think that I've made it.

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<v Speaker 5>This is exactly what you want after a bank robbery,

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<v Speaker 5>all your friends talking about how much money you suddenly have.

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<v Speaker 5>Steve that sly fox has a few explanations ready for

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<v Speaker 5>his friends to kind of bs the Kelly says he's

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<v Speaker 5>been spouting his entire life about mob ties, gambling winnings,

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<v Speaker 5>you know the type. But when it came to his

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<v Speaker 5>new neighbors in the gated community, Steve had another tall

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<v Speaker 5>tail in his pocket. He had all this money because

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<v Speaker 5>he used to play professional football for the Dallas Cowboys. Okay, Steve.

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<v Speaker 3>Told the people there that he was a ex Dallas

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<v Speaker 3>football player and he just wanted to be larger than

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<v Speaker 3>he was.

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<v Speaker 5>Steve can't just be a retired banker or an heir

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<v Speaker 5>to some sausage fortune. He has to be a retired

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<v Speaker 5>football player. And he had to play for the Dallas

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<v Speaker 5>fucking Cowboys who had just won three out of the

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<v Speaker 5>last four Super Bowls. Here's Kathy Hooper, Kathy spelled with

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<v Speaker 5>a k who became neighbors with the Chambers when they

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<v Speaker 5>moved into the gated community.

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<v Speaker 8>He just was telling everybody that he was an ex

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<v Speaker 8>pro football player he played for the Dallas Cowboys, and

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<v Speaker 8>we just assumed that he really did, you know, nobody

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<v Speaker 8>questioned him or anything, so because he was a big

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<v Speaker 8>guy and he looked like he could be a football player.

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<v Speaker 5>Amazingly, Steve's ego allowed him to stumble into the perfect

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<v Speaker 5>alibi to give to his new posh neighbors. There was

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<v Speaker 5>already a professional basketball player in the neighborhood. And also Michael.

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<v Speaker 8>Jordan loved playing golf at our club. He came here

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<v Speaker 8>a lot and played golf.

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<v Speaker 5>Kathy Spelled with the K's best friend is Kathy Young.

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<v Speaker 5>Kathy Spelled with the Sea. Kathy with the Sea was

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<v Speaker 5>the mayor of Cramerton at the time.

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<v Speaker 9>My job as mayor was basically to conduct monthly meetings

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<v Speaker 9>and do annual budgets with the town. I think most

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<v Speaker 9>people run for mayor to get to ride in the parade.

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<v Speaker 5>And even this decorated paraded citizen of Cramerton felt that

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<v Speaker 5>Steve and Michelle fit the part.

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<v Speaker 9>They had luxury cars BMW convertibles and she had a

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<v Speaker 9>big diamond ring, and they looked the part. There was

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<v Speaker 9>no reason to think that these people didn't have the

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<v Speaker 9>money to be in the neighborhood or couldn't afford the house.

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<v Speaker 5>In other words, when buying your way into a luxury community,

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<v Speaker 5>it's important to go all in, and that's exactly what

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<v Speaker 5>the Chambers did. But all this is happening while Steve

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<v Speaker 5>is telling Kelly to lay low.

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<v Speaker 3>He would tell me, don't don't take any trips, don't

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<v Speaker 3>be flashing money around. They'll get his car. And the

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<v Speaker 3>whole time, you know, he's bought a new vehicle. He

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<v Speaker 3>bought a furniture store.

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<v Speaker 7>Wait what, he bought a furniture store, of the way

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<v Speaker 7>to try to launder the money.

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<v Speaker 5>A furniture store he named after himself. Of course, M

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<v Speaker 5>and S Furniture For Michelle and Steve. I would have

0:24:13.520 --> 0:24:16.320
<v Speaker 5>preferred they went with S and M furniture, but that's

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<v Speaker 5>just me. With the exception of the many men who

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<v Speaker 5>wanted to sleep with Kelly Campbell, the world had been

0:24:30.720 --> 0:24:34.960
<v Speaker 5>pretty indifferent to her existence. But the day after the heist,

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<v Speaker 5>Kelly woke up to a different feeling, the feeling that

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<v Speaker 5>everyone in America was racing to find out her biggest secret.

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<v Speaker 3>It was very surreal the next morning watching it on

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<v Speaker 3>the news and seeing how big it was and no

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<v Speaker 3>one that I did it, And I'm like, it's just

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<v Speaker 3>a really weird feeling.

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<v Speaker 5>Way back the day after the robbery, after fearlessly getting

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<v Speaker 5>David halfway to the airport, and after checking in at

0:25:18.920 --> 0:25:21.840
<v Speaker 5>Steve's house to watch him count the money, Kelly Campbell

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<v Speaker 5>went back home to the trailer She shared with her

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<v Speaker 5>a strange husband, Spanky, and her two kids. Kelly was

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<v Speaker 5>the key to this whole thing happening, connecting David to

0:25:31.680 --> 0:25:34.840
<v Speaker 5>Steve and filling David's head with this fantasy of an

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<v Speaker 5>escape to Mexico. But even though she was instrumental to

0:25:38.680 --> 0:25:41.920
<v Speaker 5>the plot, Kelly really didn't have much ambition for her

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<v Speaker 5>share of the seventeen million bucks. Part of this was

0:25:45.320 --> 0:25:48.960
<v Speaker 5>just laying low. Unlike Stephen Michelle, she didn't want to

0:25:48.960 --> 0:25:52.119
<v Speaker 5>get caught just because she did something stupid. Everyone in

0:25:52.200 --> 0:25:54.200
<v Speaker 5>town knew she didn't have much money to spend.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't really go out spend a lot of money,

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<v Speaker 3>being off flashy and stuff, mainly for reason that they

0:26:01.680 --> 0:26:03.840
<v Speaker 3>would be looking at me because I used to work there.

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<v Speaker 5>She does dutifully make her trips to the payphone every

0:26:07.400 --> 0:26:09.520
<v Speaker 5>week to talk to David and keep him on the hook.

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<v Speaker 3>I was just telling him what he wanted to hear.

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<v Speaker 5>Harsh while David and Steve and Michelle were on their

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<v Speaker 5>spending spreez, Kelly just wanted a few simple comforts.

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<v Speaker 3>I did always think that money would make me happy,

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<v Speaker 3>because you know, then you don't have to worry about bills.

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<v Speaker 3>You can buy what clothes you want, you can drive

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<v Speaker 3>nice cars.

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<v Speaker 5>In other words, she wanted a life without worry. This

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<v Speaker 5>meant a life away from her husband and being able

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<v Speaker 5>to buy things for her kids if they asked. She

0:26:42.320 --> 0:26:44.720
<v Speaker 5>was determined to keep a low profile until she could

0:26:44.720 --> 0:26:48.400
<v Speaker 5>pull that off. But she couldn't keep it entirely a secret.

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<v Speaker 5>Maybe she didn't want to tell her husband because she

0:26:50.600 --> 0:26:53.400
<v Speaker 5>didn't want to be with him anyway, and she certainly

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<v Speaker 5>wasn't going to tell her kids. But a few days

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<v Speaker 5>after the heist, she found herself riding in the car

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<v Speaker 5>with her mother.

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<v Speaker 3>I said, did you see that Louis Fargo heist on TV?

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<v Speaker 3>She said yeah. I said I had something to do

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<v Speaker 3>with that, and I expected her to freak out, and

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<v Speaker 3>she's just like, Okay, it wasn't murder. So I knew

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<v Speaker 3>my mom wasn't gonna tell on me, So it's like,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, let's enjoy it while we can.

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<v Speaker 5>And what she thought about Steve's behavior after the heist.

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<v Speaker 3>At the time, I just, you know, wasn't really thinking properly.

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<v Speaker 3>Of course, I smoked weed and smoked a lot of it,

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<v Speaker 3>and I would just believe whatever he told me. And

0:27:39.119 --> 0:27:42.719
<v Speaker 3>I was like, well it probably makes sense because they

0:27:42.760 --> 0:27:44.680
<v Speaker 3>would look at me because I used to work there,

0:27:44.720 --> 0:27:46.720
<v Speaker 3>but they're not going to really look at him because

0:27:46.760 --> 0:27:47.639
<v Speaker 3>he didn't used.

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<v Speaker 1>To work there.

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<v Speaker 5>One day, while Kelly's home in her trailer, there's a

0:27:55.320 --> 0:27:59.800
<v Speaker 5>knock on the door. She's greeted by two FBI agents

0:28:00.240 --> 0:28:02.920
<v Speaker 5>and badges, wanting to talk to her about her friend

0:28:03.000 --> 0:28:06.640
<v Speaker 5>David Gant. She thinks she was probably high, but has

0:28:06.720 --> 0:28:09.960
<v Speaker 5>memory problems from getting so high, so she's not sure.

0:28:10.920 --> 0:28:13.160
<v Speaker 5>She tells the agents that she and David were friends,

0:28:13.200 --> 0:28:16.400
<v Speaker 5>but she doesn't know where he is, and, in an

0:28:16.440 --> 0:28:20.240
<v Speaker 5>inspired moment of proving she obviously has nothing to hide,

0:28:20.440 --> 0:28:22.800
<v Speaker 5>she tells the agents that she and David sometimes would

0:28:22.840 --> 0:28:23.679
<v Speaker 5>smoke weed together.

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<v Speaker 3>I just figured that was the best way to throw

0:28:25.880 --> 0:28:29.640
<v Speaker 3>them off, I mean, trying not to be nervous, trying

0:28:29.680 --> 0:28:32.080
<v Speaker 3>to make them think that I didn't have nothing to

0:28:32.160 --> 0:28:32.919
<v Speaker 3>do with him.

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<v Speaker 5>That's when the agents ask if she has any weed

0:28:35.720 --> 0:28:38.160
<v Speaker 5>on her right now. They don't care if she does,

0:28:38.200 --> 0:28:40.320
<v Speaker 5>they say, they just want to know if she's telling

0:28:40.360 --> 0:28:43.760
<v Speaker 5>the truth about getting high with David. Kelly says, oh, no,

0:28:43.880 --> 0:28:46.400
<v Speaker 5>I can deliver on the goods. She goes to her

0:28:46.440 --> 0:28:49.440
<v Speaker 5>bedroom and comes back with a big bag of weed.

0:28:50.040 --> 0:28:52.280
<v Speaker 5>The agents ask her if she wants to hand it over.

0:28:52.560 --> 0:28:54.440
<v Speaker 3>Well, why would I want to give that to you?

0:28:54.480 --> 0:28:56.080
<v Speaker 3>So you and your buddy could go down the road

0:28:56.120 --> 0:28:56.760
<v Speaker 3>and smoke it.

0:28:57.320 --> 0:28:59.360
<v Speaker 5>And then the agents ask Kelly if she'll take a

0:28:59.400 --> 0:29:02.240
<v Speaker 5>light detective test. She says she'll have to get back

0:29:02.240 --> 0:29:05.200
<v Speaker 5>to them on that one. Somehow she gets the agents

0:29:05.240 --> 0:29:07.640
<v Speaker 5>to leave, then immediately called Steve.

0:29:08.280 --> 0:29:10.640
<v Speaker 3>I talked to Steve about it, and Steve's like, well,

0:29:10.680 --> 0:29:15.960
<v Speaker 3>I've got this attorney and she knows somebody that can

0:29:16.000 --> 0:29:18.120
<v Speaker 3>give you a lot to take their tests and see

0:29:18.160 --> 0:29:20.240
<v Speaker 3>if you pass it, and then we'll decide whether you

0:29:20.280 --> 0:29:22.960
<v Speaker 3>take one for the FBI or not. I was like, okay.

0:29:23.440 --> 0:29:29.280
<v Speaker 3>So her name was Archangela Mazzarelli, and I took the polygraph,

0:29:29.320 --> 0:29:31.479
<v Speaker 3>and of course she called me in. I met her

0:29:31.480 --> 0:29:34.160
<v Speaker 3>in a parking lot and she's like, you're not talking

0:29:34.200 --> 0:29:37.640
<v Speaker 3>to the FBI. She said, you feeled the polygraph. So

0:29:37.680 --> 0:29:39.800
<v Speaker 3>she showed me the results and we burn it and

0:29:40.480 --> 0:29:41.360
<v Speaker 3>that was the end of that.

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<v Speaker 5>Heeding Archangela Mazzarelli's advice, Steve's attorney calls the FBI and

0:29:46.840 --> 0:29:50.560
<v Speaker 5>tells him Kelly will not be taking their polygraph. But

0:29:50.720 --> 0:29:54.480
<v Speaker 5>now Kelly's on the FBI's radar for her suspicious behavior

0:29:54.760 --> 0:29:58.760
<v Speaker 5>and for her connection to David Gant, and for obvious reasons,

0:29:58.960 --> 0:30:02.160
<v Speaker 5>Steve Chambers is on on the FBI radar. Two. One

0:30:02.160 --> 0:30:04.560
<v Speaker 5>of the agents who happens to be working the David

0:30:04.600 --> 0:30:07.360
<v Speaker 5>Gant case is also getting a lot of calls about

0:30:07.360 --> 0:30:09.800
<v Speaker 5>this guy who seems to have come into a lot

0:30:09.800 --> 0:30:12.400
<v Speaker 5>of cash right around the same time the Loomis heightst

0:30:12.440 --> 0:30:13.080
<v Speaker 5>hit the news.

0:30:13.440 --> 0:30:16.640
<v Speaker 6>Remember he's a former FBI informant, and there were several

0:30:16.760 --> 0:30:21.080
<v Speaker 6>local informants calling police saying, I've known this guy his

0:30:21.120 --> 0:30:23.720
<v Speaker 6>whole life. There's no way he can afford this house.

0:30:23.760 --> 0:30:27.000
<v Speaker 6>Something's up. Steve and Michelle Chambers moved from a double

0:30:27.000 --> 0:30:32.200
<v Speaker 6>wide trailer in their own neighborhood to a mansion, and

0:30:32.600 --> 0:30:35.280
<v Speaker 6>informants all over the county are calling it and saying

0:30:35.360 --> 0:30:38.360
<v Speaker 6>They're not saying it's Loomis, They're just saying Steve's up

0:30:38.360 --> 0:30:38.880
<v Speaker 6>to something.

0:30:40.080 --> 0:30:42.720
<v Speaker 5>Steve does not know that all these people are riding

0:30:42.760 --> 0:30:45.800
<v Speaker 5>them out, but he gets an urge to start tying

0:30:45.920 --> 0:30:49.040
<v Speaker 5>up loose ends. And what better way to tie up

0:30:49.080 --> 0:30:51.440
<v Speaker 5>loose ends than to throw a Halloween party at your

0:30:51.440 --> 0:30:55.400
<v Speaker 5>brand new mansion. This will not draw any unwanted attention.

0:30:57.280 --> 0:30:59.600
<v Speaker 5>Kelly attends the party just looking for a place to

0:30:59.640 --> 0:31:02.479
<v Speaker 5>hang out with friends, have some drinks, and get higher

0:31:02.480 --> 0:31:04.840
<v Speaker 5>than the nuts on a two hump camel. She's a

0:31:04.920 --> 0:31:05.959
<v Speaker 5>regular at the mansion.

0:31:06.480 --> 0:31:10.240
<v Speaker 3>In the basement, there was a velvet Elvis painting, and

0:31:10.960 --> 0:31:16.520
<v Speaker 3>I'm pretty sure he had one of those tapestries that

0:31:16.600 --> 0:31:18.920
<v Speaker 3>people hang on the wall, like where the dogs are

0:31:19.080 --> 0:31:22.440
<v Speaker 3>either playing billiards or poker. I'm pretty sure there was

0:31:22.480 --> 0:31:25.520
<v Speaker 3>one of those down there too. It seems like I

0:31:25.600 --> 0:31:28.400
<v Speaker 3>remember a suit of armor.

0:31:30.320 --> 0:31:34.040
<v Speaker 5>Oh and don't forget the leopard print runner on the staircase.

0:31:34.200 --> 0:31:36.360
<v Speaker 3>Because it wasn't there when they bought the house. That

0:31:36.480 --> 0:31:41.600
<v Speaker 3>was something that Michelle had chose. Which isn't that in Scarface?

0:31:41.880 --> 0:31:45.760
<v Speaker 3>Isn't that in Scarface where she has the steps redone

0:31:45.800 --> 0:31:49.640
<v Speaker 3>in leopard print or zebra print or something. I'm telling you,

0:31:49.720 --> 0:31:53.440
<v Speaker 3>I think you watched too many gangster movies.

0:31:54.360 --> 0:31:57.760
<v Speaker 5>Kelly has been quite comfortable letting Steve handle the heist business.

0:31:58.080 --> 0:32:00.720
<v Speaker 5>He's still hanging on to all her money and she's

0:32:00.760 --> 0:32:04.600
<v Speaker 5>fine with that for now, especially with the FBI hanging around.

0:32:05.440 --> 0:32:08.040
<v Speaker 5>But there's a piece of business on Steve's mind lately.

0:32:08.080 --> 0:32:11.600
<v Speaker 5>That makes Kelly really uncomfortable. He's brought it up a

0:32:11.600 --> 0:32:15.680
<v Speaker 5>few times. He wants to have David killed and he

0:32:15.760 --> 0:32:16.800
<v Speaker 5>wants Kelly to do it.

0:32:17.240 --> 0:32:20.400
<v Speaker 3>Steve even came to me one time and said, you know,

0:32:20.440 --> 0:32:23.120
<v Speaker 3>you could kill somebody with a syringe full of bleach

0:32:23.960 --> 0:32:27.440
<v Speaker 3>and I was like what He said, Yeah, you gotta

0:32:27.440 --> 0:32:30.440
<v Speaker 3>do is stick bleach and they'll you know, it kills him.

0:32:31.240 --> 0:32:32.080
<v Speaker 3>I said, okay.

0:32:32.840 --> 0:32:36.240
<v Speaker 5>Decades later, America will learn that injecting bleach doesn't kill you.

0:32:36.320 --> 0:32:39.680
<v Speaker 5>It's a new possible way to cure COVID. It is

0:32:39.720 --> 0:32:43.640
<v Speaker 5>not anyway. Steve just wants David dead, and he thinks

0:32:43.720 --> 0:32:46.080
<v Speaker 5>Kelly should be the one to do it because David

0:32:46.080 --> 0:32:49.400
<v Speaker 5>trusts her she could get close to him. He brings

0:32:49.440 --> 0:32:51.360
<v Speaker 5>the idea up again at the party.

0:32:51.840 --> 0:32:53.520
<v Speaker 3>I think that's when he asked me if I would

0:32:53.520 --> 0:32:57.520
<v Speaker 3>go to Mexico and I was like, no, No, not

0:32:57.680 --> 0:32:58.080
<v Speaker 3>doing that.

0:32:58.480 --> 0:33:01.160
<v Speaker 5>Steve said, that's okay, he has another idea.

0:33:01.640 --> 0:33:03.560
<v Speaker 3>That's when he told me, well, I know this guy

0:33:03.680 --> 0:33:06.120
<v Speaker 3>can get to go down there and I'll get in

0:33:06.200 --> 0:33:09.720
<v Speaker 3>to make friends with him, make a couple drops, and

0:33:09.760 --> 0:33:15.720
<v Speaker 3>then I'll have him get rid of againd So even

0:33:15.720 --> 0:33:19.520
<v Speaker 3>though that's not what I would have wanted to have happened,

0:33:20.280 --> 0:33:24.880
<v Speaker 3>I was just like, Okay, I'll go along with that, because,

0:33:24.880 --> 0:33:27.080
<v Speaker 3>like I said, out sight, out of mind, if I

0:33:27.080 --> 0:33:29.600
<v Speaker 3>didn't have to be a part of it, it didn't

0:33:30.320 --> 0:33:31.720
<v Speaker 3>bother me that bad.

0:33:32.560 --> 0:33:39.280
<v Speaker 5>Ah young love, Poor David, the love of his life,

0:33:39.480 --> 0:33:41.960
<v Speaker 5>just signed his death warrant in the shadow of a

0:33:42.080 --> 0:33:46.280
<v Speaker 5>velvet Elvis painting. And as you know, once Steve Chambers

0:33:46.320 --> 0:33:50.959
<v Speaker 5>wants you dead, it's over one snap of his chubby

0:33:51.000 --> 0:33:54.520
<v Speaker 5>little fingers and the most ruthless trained killer in the

0:33:54.560 --> 0:33:56.280
<v Speaker 5>business is coming for you.

0:33:58.360 --> 0:34:02.840
<v Speaker 10>I prefer the the hit man or the harder gun

0:34:02.840 --> 0:34:07.320
<v Speaker 10>compared to assassin, because to me, the hit man or

0:34:07.480 --> 0:34:10.640
<v Speaker 10>gun for her sounds more like the hill billy redneck

0:34:10.760 --> 0:34:11.880
<v Speaker 10>version of the assassin.

0:34:18.920 --> 0:34:22.239
<v Speaker 5>That's next time on crimeless hillbilly heist.

0:34:40.400 --> 0:34:40.720
<v Speaker 9>Rory.

0:34:41.600 --> 0:34:43.959
<v Speaker 2>In your opinion, and this is a tough one. What's

0:34:44.000 --> 0:34:46.680
<v Speaker 2>the biggest mistake these geniuses have made so far?

0:34:47.560 --> 0:34:55.000
<v Speaker 4>I mean doing it at all. Their biggest mistake is

0:34:55.040 --> 0:34:58.960
<v Speaker 4>having dreams and fantasies of living alternate lives. But that's

0:34:59.000 --> 0:35:01.600
<v Speaker 4>all of us, so I do give them credit. These

0:35:01.600 --> 0:35:04.239
<v Speaker 4>are people that wanted something else and they decided to

0:35:04.280 --> 0:35:07.040
<v Speaker 4>do it. We're not talking about murder, we're not talking

0:35:07.040 --> 0:35:09.720
<v Speaker 4>about stealing money from a family that needs it. Obviously,

0:35:09.800 --> 0:35:12.919
<v Speaker 4>this amount is insane. So I got to say, while

0:35:12.920 --> 0:35:16.080
<v Speaker 4>they have made a lot of mistakes, overall, I still

0:35:16.440 --> 0:35:19.560
<v Speaker 4>kind of cheer for the fact that these people just

0:35:19.680 --> 0:35:23.680
<v Speaker 4>wanted to see what it's like to be millionaires. I

0:35:23.760 --> 0:35:25.960
<v Speaker 4>kind of think we all want to know that, and

0:35:26.000 --> 0:35:28.520
<v Speaker 4>here's some people that decided to go find out and

0:35:28.560 --> 0:35:29.320
<v Speaker 4>it's remarkable.

0:35:29.440 --> 0:35:30.320
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I agree.

0:35:30.360 --> 0:35:33.800
<v Speaker 2>I think that's where almost everyone is rooting for them. Yeah,

0:35:33.840 --> 0:35:35.919
<v Speaker 2>even though we know it's not going to end well.

0:35:36.080 --> 0:35:38.960
<v Speaker 4>Yes, Now, just to give you a better, a more

0:35:39.000 --> 0:35:42.680
<v Speaker 4>specific answer, that's the umbrella of my emotions. Underneath that

0:35:42.880 --> 0:35:46.760
<v Speaker 4>umbrella as we get to know these characters a little better.

0:35:46.800 --> 0:35:50.440
<v Speaker 4>For instance, in this episode, Steve and Michelle in particular,

0:35:50.680 --> 0:35:55.680
<v Speaker 4>just how they how they don't even lay low with

0:35:55.880 --> 0:35:59.480
<v Speaker 4>this massive amount of cash, as shown to us by

0:35:59.600 --> 0:36:03.080
<v Speaker 4>Michelle trying to deposit ten thousand dollars into a bank

0:36:03.120 --> 0:36:05.920
<v Speaker 4>and has not even taken the cash out of the

0:36:06.040 --> 0:36:11.000
<v Speaker 4>loomis fargo wrapping yet, while for sure being on camera

0:36:11.200 --> 0:36:15.040
<v Speaker 4>at a teller, while for sure asking all of the

0:36:15.120 --> 0:36:18.520
<v Speaker 4>questions that would make any teller go yep, noted this

0:36:18.600 --> 0:36:20.240
<v Speaker 4>person's probably a criminal.

0:36:22.600 --> 0:36:25.879
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, oh absolutely, yes. I mean Michelle continues to be

0:36:26.440 --> 0:36:29.279
<v Speaker 2>the I was gonna say the weeklength, but there's a

0:36:29.280 --> 0:36:29.880
<v Speaker 2>few weeklenths.

0:36:30.040 --> 0:36:32.359
<v Speaker 4>Well that's the thing. You can't even know who's like,

0:36:32.719 --> 0:36:34.800
<v Speaker 4>you know, it's not going to be a successful heist

0:36:34.840 --> 0:36:38.640
<v Speaker 4>when David Gant is by far the smartest person in

0:36:38.680 --> 0:36:42.319
<v Speaker 4>the group. And I'd have to say, my favorite part

0:36:42.360 --> 0:36:45.040
<v Speaker 4>of this episode, and it's kind of something I wish

0:36:45.120 --> 0:36:48.520
<v Speaker 4>I could do, is if anyone asked how I came

0:36:48.560 --> 0:36:50.600
<v Speaker 4>into a large sum of money, just say I used

0:36:50.600 --> 0:36:52.360
<v Speaker 4>to play for the Dallas Cowboys.

0:36:52.640 --> 0:36:53.480
<v Speaker 2>Genius playing.

0:36:55.680 --> 0:36:57.959
<v Speaker 4>Here's what I actually kind of like about it, because

0:36:58.000 --> 0:37:00.840
<v Speaker 4>when I first heard that, I was like, that's absurd.

0:37:01.160 --> 0:37:04.240
<v Speaker 4>But then I was like, well, it is nineteen ninety seven.

0:37:05.000 --> 0:37:09.960
<v Speaker 4>There aren't all these outlets to look that up. So

0:37:11.480 --> 0:37:13.600
<v Speaker 4>the more I thought about it, the more I really

0:37:13.640 --> 0:37:15.880
<v Speaker 4>respected that as a lie.

0:37:16.320 --> 0:37:19.080
<v Speaker 2>I might have just puted a slightly less popular team

0:37:19.480 --> 0:37:22.280
<v Speaker 2>like I used to play for the Saint Louis Rams,

0:37:22.320 --> 0:37:24.600
<v Speaker 2>or like I think we're still around in the nineties.

0:37:25.000 --> 0:37:28.640
<v Speaker 4>Yes, I mean, you could have said you inherited it. Oh,

0:37:28.920 --> 0:37:34.520
<v Speaker 4>my grandfather invented chocolate. No one would have been the wiser.

0:37:35.000 --> 0:37:36.960
<v Speaker 2>It is one of the dumber lives you could tell,

0:37:37.000 --> 0:37:39.520
<v Speaker 2>because yes, you're right, it wasn't like the internet. There

0:37:39.560 --> 0:37:41.600
<v Speaker 2>was the Internet, but it wasn't the internet we know today.

0:37:41.840 --> 0:37:45.080
<v Speaker 2>It's still like worst case scenario if somebody could go,

0:37:45.160 --> 0:37:47.160
<v Speaker 2>I'm short to the library, and I'm sure there's a

0:37:47.160 --> 0:37:49.440
<v Speaker 2>book that listed the NFL rosters for every year.

0:37:49.880 --> 0:37:52.600
<v Speaker 4>I also love how telling that is of his like

0:37:52.760 --> 0:37:57.320
<v Speaker 4>inner child, like he deep down in his psyche, always

0:37:57.320 --> 0:37:59.759
<v Speaker 4>thought maybe he would lay for the Dallas Cow.

0:38:03.480 --> 0:38:06.360
<v Speaker 2>My final question is have you ever been to Cancun?

0:38:06.400 --> 0:38:08.160
<v Speaker 2>And is that where you would flee if you were

0:38:08.320 --> 0:38:09.640
<v Speaker 2>running away from a robbery.

0:38:10.320 --> 0:38:15.239
<v Speaker 4>I would not. It just seems too accessible. I don't know.

0:38:15.320 --> 0:38:18.360
<v Speaker 4>My thinking is, oh, this person would flee to Mexico

0:38:18.560 --> 0:38:21.200
<v Speaker 4>because that's just what they would think you're supposed to do.

0:38:21.719 --> 0:38:26.520
<v Speaker 4>And then the most accessible, the most accessible city in

0:38:26.560 --> 0:38:31.160
<v Speaker 4>Mexico is Camcon. That so David Gann is probably in CanCon.

0:38:31.280 --> 0:38:33.919
<v Speaker 4>It just seems too obvious. So no, that isn't where

0:38:33.960 --> 0:38:36.800
<v Speaker 4>I would go a little on the nose, a little

0:38:37.520 --> 0:38:40.520
<v Speaker 4>on the nose. And also delighted by the fact that

0:38:40.600 --> 0:38:44.279
<v Speaker 4>no one in Mexico cared at all that this guy

0:38:45.120 --> 0:38:47.319
<v Speaker 4>they didn't know, they didn't know he had, you know,

0:38:47.680 --> 0:38:50.279
<v Speaker 4>money wrapped around his body. Granted, this is ninety seven

0:38:50.360 --> 0:38:52.879
<v Speaker 4>surveillance is a little bit different, but also the fact

0:38:52.920 --> 0:38:55.239
<v Speaker 4>that no one cared. He paid for two weeks up

0:38:55.280 --> 0:38:57.920
<v Speaker 4>front with cash tips, so no one would say anything.

0:38:59.320 --> 0:39:01.200
<v Speaker 4>I just love the Mexico's like, we don't care. You

0:39:01.200 --> 0:39:03.400
<v Speaker 4>guys come down here all the time to launder money,

0:39:03.440 --> 0:39:04.200
<v Speaker 4>so we don't care.

0:39:04.560 --> 0:39:07.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and that says everyone is ridiculous and paying for

0:39:07.520 --> 0:39:09.560
<v Speaker 2>things in cash and can't coon. I think my problem

0:39:09.560 --> 0:39:11.600
<v Speaker 2>with Cantcon is I just sort of hated it. It's

0:39:11.600 --> 0:39:14.719
<v Speaker 2>full of the worst Americans. But yeah, these probably are

0:39:14.840 --> 0:39:17.640
<v Speaker 2>David's people, so maybe maybe it was a wise choice, you.

0:39:17.600 --> 0:39:19.480
<v Speaker 4>Know, maybe maybe you blend a little better. You're right,

0:39:19.480 --> 0:39:22.239
<v Speaker 4>it's very touristy, especially with Americans, So yeah, you're right,

0:39:22.320 --> 0:39:23.120
<v Speaker 4>that's a good point.

0:39:23.600 --> 0:39:23.960
<v Speaker 6>All right.

0:39:23.960 --> 0:39:26.680
<v Speaker 2>Well, next week we pick up the adventures of David

0:39:26.719 --> 0:39:30.759
<v Speaker 2>Gann and all of his accomplices back home on episode

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<v Speaker 2>four of Crimeless Hillbilly Heist. We'll see you next week.

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