Speaker 1: Gampsy media march lash.
Speaker 2: So Rory, what are the good people of planet Earth
Speaker 2: need to know to enjoy Episode three?
Speaker 3: What happened last week?
Speaker 4: Never partner up with a pothead when you're going to
Speaker 4: be stealing massive amounts of money that belonged to a
Speaker 4: bank and becomes a federal crime is the main issue.
Speaker 4: But I will say, to our surprise, we find out
Speaker 4: that David Gant, having put all this money in a
Speaker 4: truck and passed it off to huge morons and even
Speaker 4: being a moro on himself, somehow has made it to Cancun,
Speaker 4: Mexico to lay low for as long as possible. And
Speaker 4: so we wonder, well, what happened to the other gaggle
Speaker 4: of geese while he's down there in Mexico. We're about
Speaker 4: to find out here on episode three.
Speaker 2: Okay, then let's get onto the episode. Here's Crimeless Hillbilly
Speaker 2: Heist Episode three.
Speaker 5: It's the middle of the night at an upscale hotel
Speaker 5: in Cancun, Mexico. David Gand has sprawled out on the bed,
Speaker 5: still wearing his clothes and his pantyhose, money belt and
Speaker 5: his cowboy boots stuffed with cash.
Speaker 1: I wake up about three or four in morning. It's
Speaker 1: almost like I'm hungover from adrenaline.
Speaker 5: As David comes to he starts peeling off his clothes
Speaker 5: to get to the money. He organizes the stack of bills.
Speaker 5: The cash has been stuck to him for almost forty
Speaker 5: eight hours. It's got that money stench he knew so
Speaker 5: well from his days driving the Loomis van. But there's
Speaker 5: a difference. This time. It's mixed with his own.
Speaker 1: Stench, the essholes of Dave, if you will.
Speaker 5: After all the stress of the heist and the escape,
Speaker 5: suddenly everything is going easy. Yesterday his plane landed and
Speaker 5: he breezed through Mexican customs while carrying twenty five grand
Speaker 5: in small bills.
Speaker 1: And they could care less. I could have took an
Speaker 1: elephant off that airplane with me. Told him the circus
Speaker 1: was in town.
Speaker 5: He opped in a cab and the driver made him
Speaker 5: feel right at home.
Speaker 1: He speaks in very good English. Hotel expensive or cheap?
Speaker 1: I go expensive, expensive as fine.
Speaker 5: That's how David Gant got to this fancy hotel. Surreptitiously
Speaker 5: paid for a two week stay in cash up front,
Speaker 5: and smoothly tipped the concierge extra to ignore this suspicious
Speaker 5: redheaded gringo, finally making it to his room, and now
Speaker 5: as he's stacking the money, he realizes what he needs
Speaker 5: to do next. As soon as the sun comes up
Speaker 5: over Cancun's white sand beaches, it's time for a shopping spree.
Speaker 5: The Kogle con Mall is just the place for a
Speaker 5: man with a wallet full of stolen cash. It's got fountains, statues, skylights,
Speaker 5: and luxury goods behind plexiglass, and for the first time
Speaker 5: in his life, David can buy whatever he wants. His
Speaker 5: first stop, of course, is a cowboy theme men's department.
Speaker 1: I'll spend most of my life in work boots, but
Speaker 1: I love cowboy boots. I like expensive cowboy groots.
Speaker 5: Or at least he thinks he likes expensive cowboy boots,
Speaker 5: he's never actually had a pair. He chooses a beautiful
Speaker 5: pair of brown leather boots and realizes it'd be a
Speaker 5: crime to put a cheap pair of socks in these puppies.
Speaker 1: I could buy was like these silk liners for your socks.
Speaker 1: That's extravagant. Let's get two of those.
Speaker 5: He also needs some new gen and then the ultimate luxury.
Speaker 1: And this is where I discovered the joy of khaki
Speaker 1: cargo pants. I've been faithful to them ever since. Pockets.
Speaker 1: You gotta have them.
Speaker 5: In another store, David found a tailor who made silk
Speaker 5: shirts sighs perfectly to his lanky measurements. He wisely ordered.
Speaker 1: Four of them, red, green, blue, and white with deer
Speaker 1: antler buttons. I let the money just fly. It was great,
Speaker 1: just two hundred dollars sunglasses, shirt, give me two pairs.
Speaker 5: Oh and to complete the look, he put on a
Speaker 5: layer of spray TND. David's makeover is complete. Now what.
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 1: I've never had this problem. I've got money time.
Speaker 6: What do I do?
Speaker 1: Because usually my activity belimited to whatever was free or cheap,
Speaker 1: And so I've got a really weird dilemma for myself.
Speaker 1: What do I do?
Speaker 5: He sees an ad for horseback riding, and all of
Speaker 5: a sudden.
Speaker 1: I'm riding horse through the Mexican jungle.
Speaker 5: A fugitive on horseback wearing two hundred dollars sunglasses and
Speaker 5: shiny new cowboy boots. Indiana Jones looks like a jump jockey.
Speaker 5: Compared to David Gant on his South of the Border adventure,
Speaker 5: everything David dreamed about is finally coming true. He just
Speaker 5: needs to wait for Kelly to arrive with the rest
Speaker 5: of the money so they can start their new life
Speaker 5: together in Paradise.
Speaker 1: I know that for her to leave is dangerous for
Speaker 1: her and me. She would just draw him to me.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, if we can survive the first ninety one
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty days, things will cool off.
Speaker 5: In excruciating weight, possibly not survivable, but there's a plan
Speaker 5: to stay in contact. David will call a payphone at
Speaker 5: a gas station a short drive from Kelly's house. Kelly
Speaker 5: will be there to answer every Tuesday at one o'clock.
Speaker 5: When the first call finally comes, Kelly sounds distressed.
Speaker 1: She says, you know, hey, this has created a crapstorm. Okay,
Speaker 1: we've made a mess. This made national news. I don't
Speaker 1: think they understood what was going to happen. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's stole almost twenty million dollars. What do you think
Speaker 1: was gonna happen.
Speaker 5: It's easy to be so casual if you're a desperado
Speaker 5: and a silk shirt living in a luxury hotel. But
Speaker 5: back home in North Carolina, the smell of that coming
Speaker 5: crap storm was strong in the Breeze from SmartLess Media,
Speaker 5: Campsite Media, and Big Money Players in partnership with iHeart Podcasts.
Speaker 5: I'm Johnny Knoxville and you're listening to crime list phill
Speaker 5: Billy Heist. This is episode three, The Oncoming Crap Storm.
Speaker 6: I was a new agent and we were having lunch
Speaker 6: and all our pages went off.
Speaker 5: This is former FBI agent John Wydra. He is a tall,
Speaker 5: handsome guy. One look from him and you'll feel like
Speaker 5: you're probably guilty of something or wish you were.
Speaker 6: Everybody has three lives everybody. You got your public life
Speaker 6: that everybody knows about, you know, what you post on
Speaker 6: Instagram or your Facebook page or whatever. Then you got
Speaker 6: your private life that pretty much maybe only your spouse
Speaker 6: and close family and friends know. Then you got your
Speaker 6: secret life. That's where I spent most of my time
Speaker 6: in everyone's secret life.
Speaker 5: John was an imposing guy in his youth, especially for
Speaker 5: a guy whose specialty was accounting. He looked like if
Speaker 5: Dolph Lungern and David Hasselhoff put on a suit two
Speaker 5: sizes too small, strong chin, quafft hair, ready to draw
Speaker 5: his gun or a calculator at a moment's notice. On
Speaker 5: this fateful Sunday in the fall of nineteen ninety seven.
Speaker 5: He's barely a year into his time with the bureau.
Speaker 6: I was thirty two. I was young, full of piss
Speaker 6: and Benniger, you know, wanting to kick indoors chase people.
Speaker 6: I was the moneylaundering coordinator for the State of North
Speaker 6: Carolina at the time, and I'd worked financial crimes, any
Speaker 6: type of financial crime, Ponzi schemes, embezzlements, things of that nature.
Speaker 5: When Widra got to the office, agents were saying that
Speaker 5: someone had robbed a Loomis Fargo armored car. But he
Speaker 5: quickly learned that this sixtinc summary of events didn't quite
Speaker 5: capture what had happened.
Speaker 6: You normally think of an armored car robbery is like
Speaker 6: coming in with guns and yanking people out at truck.
Speaker 6: This was more like an embezzlement. But they took it
Speaker 6: out of the money belonged to the bank, so it
Speaker 6: was a federal crime.
Speaker 5: Wydra and other agents were dispatched to Loomis Fargo to
Speaker 5: assess the crime scene and interview the employees. When they
Speaker 5: got there, they found a red Dodge Dakota pickup truck
Speaker 5: that belonged to the Loomis vault manager David Scott ganned.
Speaker 6: His wedding ring was left on the dashboard, so we
Speaker 6: were thinking at first like this was a message he's
Speaker 6: just moving on with his life.
Speaker 5: That was the first clue. But when the agents got
Speaker 5: inside the Loomis facility, the vault was locked. David had
Speaker 5: set the timer so it couldn't be opened. Loomis had
Speaker 5: a locksmith working furiously trying to bypass the system, but
Speaker 5: in the meantime, the investigators couldn't get in to see
Speaker 5: how much money was stolen. To make matters worse, the
Speaker 5: security tapes were missing, well two of them were missing.
Speaker 6: But he didn't realize that there was a third video
Speaker 6: machine that they hid in the locked cabinet that only
Speaker 6: executive management knew about.
Speaker 5: For that very reason, a very pissed off Loomis manager
Speaker 5: plays this tape for the FBI and it's really quite
Speaker 5: a show.
Speaker 6: You could see him on the camera working his ass
Speaker 6: off to put the money in the van.
Speaker 5: They still don't know how much money was gone, but
Speaker 5: based on the video, it was a slop jar full.
Speaker 6: It was a little over an hour of him back
Speaker 6: and forth and you could see him sweating and stopping
Speaker 6: and taking a break and loading up a palette and
Speaker 6: pushing the palette over to the van. He's a rail
Speaker 6: He couldn't weighed more than one hundred and fifty pounds,
Speaker 6: soaking wet.
Speaker 5: David was one determined fella, but determined and discerning are
Speaker 5: two very different qualities. And there was another clue caught
Speaker 5: on camera.
Speaker 6: You could see in the video he kept stopping and
Speaker 6: looking at his pager, so he was in communication with somebody,
Speaker 6: and we ran the records. We found out that it
Speaker 6: was his phone calling his pager, so it didn't really
Speaker 6: lead anywhere, but he had given his phone to somebody,
Speaker 6: So now we're looking for David ann at least one
Speaker 6: other person.
Speaker 5: Whydra and the other agents interviewed the other employees, but
Speaker 5: they weren't very much help. David's motives were unclear. Did
Speaker 5: he ditch the wedding ring and steal the money to
Speaker 5: reboot his life or was he simply a stooge and
Speaker 5: some mastermind had forced him into the crime. When agents
Speaker 5: interviewed David's wife, Tammy, she was terrified. She had been
Speaker 5: worrying about her husband's whereabouts ever since he hadn't come
Speaker 5: home from work and had waited for news all night
Speaker 5: long with David's parents. Tammy also had already filed the
Speaker 5: missing persons report. She told the agents she didn't think
Speaker 5: David would have robbed the vault unless he was forced to.
Speaker 5: David's parents said the same thing. When the agents finally
Speaker 5: got access to the vault, they discovered the full extent
Speaker 5: of the crime. In a twist of fate, David had
Speaker 5: robbed the vault on a weekend when it was stuff
Speaker 5: with an unusually large amount of money. There was a
Speaker 5: huge NASCAR race in town that weekend, a race sponsored
Speaker 5: by Bank of America, as it turned out, and b
Speaker 5: of A had a bunch of extra twenty dollars bills
Speaker 5: ready to stock the ATMs, all adding a lot more
Speaker 5: weight and value to David's hall.
Speaker 6: Seventeen point three million dollars. When we've calculated how much
Speaker 6: that would weigh, it was about twenty eight hundred pounds.
Speaker 5: David Gant was missing, along with seventeen point three million dollars,
Speaker 5: and the FBI hardly had any leads. But a couple
Speaker 5: of days later, a man out in the sticks of
Speaker 5: Mecklenburg County was mowing his lawn and saw an extremely
Speaker 5: poorly hidden white.
Speaker 6: Van and you could see through the window money, and
Speaker 6: we're like, maybe all the money's there. Maybe got cold
Speaker 6: feet and just left. We had no idea how much
Speaker 6: it was, but you could tell it was a lot.
Speaker 6: It was a lot of cash sitting in the back
Speaker 6: of the van.
Speaker 5: The FBI told the van back to their office to
Speaker 5: break into it. A few of the Beefier agents used
Speaker 5: the Steve Chambers method, pounding on the bulletproof glass with
Speaker 5: large rocks for a few hours until they finally got
Speaker 5: it open. Not really, the FEDS did FBI stuff to
Speaker 5: open the van.
Speaker 6: All we break into it and it's only three point
Speaker 6: three million dollars that's in the back.
Speaker 5: Nowhere close to all the money. But for the agents,
Speaker 5: three million bucks just left behind wasn't the most shocking thing.
Speaker 5: They found inside.
Speaker 6: Two videotapes, the keys to the vault, the keys to
Speaker 6: other trucks, they were all in there. So now we're
Speaker 6: starting to worry. When we find that, We're like, there's
Speaker 6: no way he left the videotapes. He intentionally took and
Speaker 6: left them behind, and that we know he was working
Speaker 6: with somebody else. So now we're thinking if this is
Speaker 6: the mob David's dead.
Speaker 5: Despite an abandoned armored truck and an empty bank vault
Speaker 5: and a gun and the three videotapes, the FBI doesn't
Speaker 5: have much to go on. Okay, they actually have lots
Speaker 5: to go on, but they still don't have anything pointing
Speaker 5: to who David was working with or being forced to
Speaker 5: work with. But the Feds have an ace up their
Speaker 5: sleeve because almost everyone in America still watches the same
Speaker 5: five channels every night, and millions of them are about
Speaker 5: to feast their eyeballs on the delightful parade of Holy shit,
Speaker 5: my life could be way worse than it is America's most.
Speaker 6: Wanted Focusing on the facts, it is exposing America's most wanted.
Speaker 5: And America's most wanted is all in on the David
Speaker 5: Gant story. The tips are about to start rolling in.
Speaker 5: It's October eleventh, nineteen ninety seven. It's been a week
Speaker 5: since David Gant emptied a bank vault with his bare hands,
Speaker 5: and the FBI is still hoping for something that will
Speaker 5: help them find David. The money and the person or
Speaker 5: persons paging him during the crime tonight has the potential
Speaker 5: to offer a big break in the case because at
Speaker 5: nine PM, Eastern America's Most Wanted will air a segment
Speaker 5: on David Gant, perpetrator of one of the largest cash
Speaker 5: heists in American history. The FBI is expecting hundreds of
Speaker 5: phone calls that could turn into actionable tips that will
Speaker 5: help them track David down. They have agents manning the
Speaker 5: America's Most Wanted phone bank and other agents positioned on
Speaker 5: the streets of Charlotte standing by to run down any
Speaker 5: clues that come in. John Widre is at the FBI
Speaker 5: command post with the number of his colleagues, his eyes
Speaker 5: glued to the TV. Right now, it's playoff baseball Game
Speaker 5: three of the American League Championship, with the Baltimore Orioles
Speaker 5: and Cleveland Indians battling for a spot in the World Series.
Speaker 5: The stakes are high, but as baseball games tend to do,
Speaker 5: this one drags on and on and on, it goes
Speaker 5: into extra innings.
Speaker 6: They come across and say it Americans must want. It
Speaker 6: won't be played on the East Coast because of the
Speaker 6: extra innings in this playoff game, which just kind of
Speaker 6: took the wind out of our sales. We were really
Speaker 6: hoping for some good leads and actually got nothing out
Speaker 6: of it.
Speaker 5: If anyone on the East Coast had been able to
Speaker 5: watch the segment, they would have seen David's wife Tammy.
Speaker 5: She's speaking directly to the camera, pleading with David to
Speaker 5: call or come home if he can, and reminding him
Speaker 5: that she loves him no matter what. And where is
Speaker 5: David while his wife is begging him for a safe return?
Speaker 1: Bouro football? They put you on the mule and what
Speaker 1: they do is they have the soccer ball and they've
Speaker 1: got the Burros don't care and you're out saying you
Speaker 1: got a broom and the Burghs just look at You're like,
Speaker 1: I don't want to run.
Speaker 5: Starting the day after the theft, Steve and Michelle Chambers
Speaker 5: knew they couldn't just keep fourteen million dollars in plastic
Speaker 5: barrels covered in dog food. That'd be stupid. They needed
Speaker 5: to put that money to work. So on Monday morning
Speaker 5: after the weekend Heis, Michelle stuffed a black briefcase full
Speaker 5: of cash and walked into her local bank. She slyly
Speaker 5: approached the teller, ready to weave a complicated web of deception.
Speaker 5: Move number one on the four D chess board asked
Speaker 5: to tell her how much cash she could deposit without
Speaker 5: you know, the bank having to file paperwork. The teller
Speaker 5: fell right into Michelle's trap and just answered the question.
Speaker 5: The limit was ten thousand dollars. Now Michelle had all
Speaker 5: the information she required for phase two of her ingenious plan.
Speaker 5: She opened the briefcase right there at the window and
Speaker 5: counted out ninety five hundred dollars of small bills, still
Speaker 5: in the Lumis wrappers, of course, and handed them to
Speaker 5: the teller. Then it was onto the third and final
Speaker 5: phase of her plan. One last final bit of reassurance
Speaker 5: for the teller so that she would forget this interaction
Speaker 5: ever happened. Don't worry, Michelle told her it ain't drug money.
Speaker 5: With that, she left and her bank account was almost
Speaker 5: ten thousand dollars fuller without a trace of paperwork. Well done, Michelle,
Speaker 5: except that teller definitely filed paperwork. What's known in the
Speaker 5: trade is a suspicious activity report. So the FBI has
Speaker 5: Michelle Chambers dead to rights, soda, because there's one problem.
Speaker 5: It's still nineteen ninety seven.
Speaker 7: Just because these bank tellers were filing forms about these
Speaker 7: cash depositives did not mean that these forums were getting
Speaker 7: to the FBI in real time. I think it took
Speaker 7: one or two or maybe even three months often from
Speaker 7: the time these were filled out to when the FBI
Speaker 7: could actually use them, you know, in an actionable way.
Speaker 5: But the chambers aren't just working to slowly sock money
Speaker 5: away in the bank ninety five hundred bucks at a time.
Speaker 5: The next morning, after the hist Steve had buried another
Speaker 5: one hundred and fifty thousand dollars in a Duffel bag
Speaker 5: in the backyard outside of their mobile home. Michelle was
Speaker 5: home alone. A big rainstorm hit, water's pooling everywhere. She's
Speaker 5: sure the money is getting soaked. She runs into the
Speaker 5: middle of the storm and starts frantically digging holes trying
Speaker 5: to recover the money, but of course Steve didn't mark
Speaker 5: the location. Michelle is hysterical. She can't find the money,
Speaker 5: and now her yard looks like it's been attacked by gophers.
Speaker 5: When Steve returns home, he unhursed the cash. It's sopping wet.
Speaker 5: No matter.
Speaker 7: They decided to put the money in the dryer. Steve
Speaker 7: told Michelle, based on something he'd heard, put poker chips
Speaker 7: in there because it would help the money not be
Speaker 7: stuck to each other, and it actually worked, a literal
Speaker 7: example of money laundering.
Speaker 5: A big win and maybe the first smart thing they've done,
Speaker 5: which is not an indication of things to come, because
Speaker 5: pretty much immediately after the hist Steve and Michelle do
Speaker 5: the most conspicuous thing possible. They upgrade from their mobile
Speaker 5: home to a literal mansion.
Speaker 6: The house that.
Speaker 7: Steve and Michelle moved into was a beautiful, beautiful house
Speaker 7: and impress all of their friends and all of their relatives.
Speaker 7: It had a really nice foyer with a curved staircase.
Speaker 7: They had a grand piano in it, a huge kitchen,
Speaker 7: a living room with a gas fireplace, a bedroom with
Speaker 7: a fireplace. It was the type of place that you
Speaker 7: would move into if you had lived in much smaller
Speaker 7: surroundings and be like, I have made it, and everybody
Speaker 7: who knows me from where I used to live is
Speaker 7: going to think that I've made it.
Speaker 5: This is exactly what you want after a bank robbery,
Speaker 5: all your friends talking about how much money you suddenly have.
Speaker 5: Steve that sly fox has a few explanations ready for
Speaker 5: his friends to kind of bs the Kelly says he's
Speaker 5: been spouting his entire life about mob ties, gambling winnings,
Speaker 5: you know the type. But when it came to his
Speaker 5: new neighbors in the gated community, Steve had another tall
Speaker 5: tail in his pocket. He had all this money because
Speaker 5: he used to play professional football for the Dallas Cowboys. Okay, Steve.
Speaker 3: Told the people there that he was a ex Dallas
Speaker 3: football player and he just wanted to be larger than
Speaker 3: he was.
Speaker 5: Steve can't just be a retired banker or an heir
Speaker 5: to some sausage fortune. He has to be a retired
Speaker 5: football player. And he had to play for the Dallas
Speaker 5: fucking Cowboys who had just won three out of the
Speaker 5: last four Super Bowls. Here's Kathy Hooper, Kathy spelled with
Speaker 5: a k who became neighbors with the Chambers when they
Speaker 5: moved into the gated community.
Speaker 8: He just was telling everybody that he was an ex
Speaker 8: pro football player he played for the Dallas Cowboys, and
Speaker 8: we just assumed that he really did, you know, nobody
Speaker 8: questioned him or anything, so because he was a big
Speaker 8: guy and he looked like he could be a football player.
Speaker 5: Amazingly, Steve's ego allowed him to stumble into the perfect
Speaker 5: alibi to give to his new posh neighbors. There was
Speaker 5: already a professional basketball player in the neighborhood. And also Michael.
Speaker 8: Jordan loved playing golf at our club. He came here
Speaker 8: a lot and played golf.
Speaker 5: Kathy Spelled with the K's best friend is Kathy Young.
Speaker 5: Kathy Spelled with the Sea. Kathy with the Sea was
Speaker 5: the mayor of Cramerton at the time.
Speaker 9: My job as mayor was basically to conduct monthly meetings
Speaker 9: and do annual budgets with the town. I think most
Speaker 9: people run for mayor to get to ride in the parade.
Speaker 5: And even this decorated paraded citizen of Cramerton felt that
Speaker 5: Steve and Michelle fit the part.
Speaker 9: They had luxury cars BMW convertibles and she had a
Speaker 9: big diamond ring, and they looked the part. There was
Speaker 9: no reason to think that these people didn't have the
Speaker 9: money to be in the neighborhood or couldn't afford the house.
Speaker 5: In other words, when buying your way into a luxury community,
Speaker 5: it's important to go all in, and that's exactly what
Speaker 5: the Chambers did. But all this is happening while Steve
Speaker 5: is telling Kelly to lay low.
Speaker 3: He would tell me, don't don't take any trips, don't
Speaker 3: be flashing money around. They'll get his car. And the
Speaker 3: whole time, you know, he's bought a new vehicle. He
Speaker 3: bought a furniture store.
Speaker 7: Wait what, he bought a furniture store, of the way
Speaker 7: to try to launder the money.
Speaker 5: A furniture store he named after himself. Of course, M
Speaker 5: and S Furniture For Michelle and Steve. I would have
Speaker 5: preferred they went with S and M furniture, but that's
Speaker 5: just me. With the exception of the many men who
Speaker 5: wanted to sleep with Kelly Campbell, the world had been
Speaker 5: pretty indifferent to her existence. But the day after the heist,
Speaker 5: Kelly woke up to a different feeling, the feeling that
Speaker 5: everyone in America was racing to find out her biggest secret.
Speaker 3: It was very surreal the next morning watching it on
Speaker 3: the news and seeing how big it was and no
Speaker 3: one that I did it, And I'm like, it's just
Speaker 3: a really weird feeling.
Speaker 5: Way back the day after the robbery, after fearlessly getting
Speaker 5: David halfway to the airport, and after checking in at
Speaker 5: Steve's house to watch him count the money, Kelly Campbell
Speaker 5: went back home to the trailer She shared with her
Speaker 5: a strange husband, Spanky, and her two kids. Kelly was
Speaker 5: the key to this whole thing happening, connecting David to
Speaker 5: Steve and filling David's head with this fantasy of an
Speaker 5: escape to Mexico. But even though she was instrumental to
Speaker 5: the plot, Kelly really didn't have much ambition for her
Speaker 5: share of the seventeen million bucks. Part of this was
Speaker 5: just laying low. Unlike Stephen Michelle, she didn't want to
Speaker 5: get caught just because she did something stupid. Everyone in
Speaker 5: town knew she didn't have much money to spend.
Speaker 3: I didn't really go out spend a lot of money,
Speaker 3: being off flashy and stuff, mainly for reason that they
Speaker 3: would be looking at me because I used to work there.
Speaker 5: She does dutifully make her trips to the payphone every
Speaker 5: week to talk to David and keep him on the hook.
Speaker 3: I was just telling him what he wanted to hear.
Speaker 5: Harsh while David and Steve and Michelle were on their
Speaker 5: spending spreez, Kelly just wanted a few simple comforts.
Speaker 3: I did always think that money would make me happy,
Speaker 3: because you know, then you don't have to worry about bills.
Speaker 3: You can buy what clothes you want, you can drive
Speaker 3: nice cars.
Speaker 5: In other words, she wanted a life without worry. This
Speaker 5: meant a life away from her husband and being able
Speaker 5: to buy things for her kids if they asked. She
Speaker 5: was determined to keep a low profile until she could
Speaker 5: pull that off. But she couldn't keep it entirely a secret.
Speaker 5: Maybe she didn't want to tell her husband because she
Speaker 5: didn't want to be with him anyway, and she certainly
Speaker 5: wasn't going to tell her kids. But a few days
Speaker 5: after the heist, she found herself riding in the car
Speaker 5: with her mother.
Speaker 3: I said, did you see that Louis Fargo heist on TV?
Speaker 3: She said yeah. I said I had something to do
Speaker 3: with that, and I expected her to freak out, and
Speaker 3: she's just like, Okay, it wasn't murder. So I knew
Speaker 3: my mom wasn't gonna tell on me, So it's like,
Speaker 3: you know, let's enjoy it while we can.
Speaker 5: And what she thought about Steve's behavior after the heist.
Speaker 3: At the time, I just, you know, wasn't really thinking properly.
Speaker 3: Of course, I smoked weed and smoked a lot of it,
Speaker 3: and I would just believe whatever he told me. And
Speaker 3: I was like, well it probably makes sense because they
Speaker 3: would look at me because I used to work there,
Speaker 3: but they're not going to really look at him because
Speaker 3: he didn't used.
Speaker 1: To work there.
Speaker 5: One day, while Kelly's home in her trailer, there's a
Speaker 5: knock on the door. She's greeted by two FBI agents
Speaker 5: and badges, wanting to talk to her about her friend
Speaker 5: David Gant. She thinks she was probably high, but has
Speaker 5: memory problems from getting so high, so she's not sure.
Speaker 5: She tells the agents that she and David were friends,
Speaker 5: but she doesn't know where he is, and, in an
Speaker 5: inspired moment of proving she obviously has nothing to hide,
Speaker 5: she tells the agents that she and David sometimes would
Speaker 5: smoke weed together.
Speaker 3: I just figured that was the best way to throw
Speaker 3: them off, I mean, trying not to be nervous, trying
Speaker 3: to make them think that I didn't have nothing to
Speaker 3: do with him.
Speaker 5: That's when the agents ask if she has any weed
Speaker 5: on her right now. They don't care if she does,
Speaker 5: they say, they just want to know if she's telling
Speaker 5: the truth about getting high with David. Kelly says, oh, no,
Speaker 5: I can deliver on the goods. She goes to her
Speaker 5: bedroom and comes back with a big bag of weed.
Speaker 5: The agents ask her if she wants to hand it over.
Speaker 3: Well, why would I want to give that to you?
Speaker 3: So you and your buddy could go down the road
Speaker 3: and smoke it.
Speaker 5: And then the agents ask Kelly if she'll take a
Speaker 5: light detective test. She says she'll have to get back
Speaker 5: to them on that one. Somehow she gets the agents
Speaker 5: to leave, then immediately called Steve.
Speaker 3: I talked to Steve about it, and Steve's like, well,
Speaker 3: I've got this attorney and she knows somebody that can
Speaker 3: give you a lot to take their tests and see
Speaker 3: if you pass it, and then we'll decide whether you
Speaker 3: take one for the FBI or not. I was like, okay.
Speaker 3: So her name was Archangela Mazzarelli, and I took the polygraph,
Speaker 3: and of course she called me in. I met her
Speaker 3: in a parking lot and she's like, you're not talking
Speaker 3: to the FBI. She said, you feeled the polygraph. So
Speaker 3: she showed me the results and we burn it and
Speaker 3: that was the end of that.
Speaker 5: Heeding Archangela Mazzarelli's advice, Steve's attorney calls the FBI and
Speaker 5: tells him Kelly will not be taking their polygraph. But
Speaker 5: now Kelly's on the FBI's radar for her suspicious behavior
Speaker 5: and for her connection to David Gant, and for obvious reasons,
Speaker 5: Steve Chambers is on on the FBI radar. Two. One
Speaker 5: of the agents who happens to be working the David
Speaker 5: Gant case is also getting a lot of calls about
Speaker 5: this guy who seems to have come into a lot
Speaker 5: of cash right around the same time the Loomis heightst
Speaker 5: hit the news.
Speaker 6: Remember he's a former FBI informant, and there were several
Speaker 6: local informants calling police saying, I've known this guy his
Speaker 6: whole life. There's no way he can afford this house.
Speaker 6: Something's up. Steve and Michelle Chambers moved from a double
Speaker 6: wide trailer in their own neighborhood to a mansion, and
Speaker 6: informants all over the county are calling it and saying
Speaker 6: They're not saying it's Loomis, They're just saying Steve's up
Speaker 6: to something.
Speaker 5: Steve does not know that all these people are riding
Speaker 5: them out, but he gets an urge to start tying
Speaker 5: up loose ends. And what better way to tie up
Speaker 5: loose ends than to throw a Halloween party at your
Speaker 5: brand new mansion. This will not draw any unwanted attention.
Speaker 5: Kelly attends the party just looking for a place to
Speaker 5: hang out with friends, have some drinks, and get higher
Speaker 5: than the nuts on a two hump camel. She's a
Speaker 5: regular at the mansion.
Speaker 3: In the basement, there was a velvet Elvis painting, and
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure he had one of those tapestries that
Speaker 3: people hang on the wall, like where the dogs are
Speaker 3: either playing billiards or poker. I'm pretty sure there was
Speaker 3: one of those down there too. It seems like I
Speaker 3: remember a suit of armor.
Speaker 5: Oh and don't forget the leopard print runner on the staircase.
Speaker 3: Because it wasn't there when they bought the house. That
Speaker 3: was something that Michelle had chose. Which isn't that in Scarface?
Speaker 3: Isn't that in Scarface where she has the steps redone
Speaker 3: in leopard print or zebra print or something. I'm telling you,
Speaker 3: I think you watched too many gangster movies.
Speaker 5: Kelly has been quite comfortable letting Steve handle the heist business.
Speaker 5: He's still hanging on to all her money and she's
Speaker 5: fine with that for now, especially with the FBI hanging around.
Speaker 5: But there's a piece of business on Steve's mind lately.
Speaker 5: That makes Kelly really uncomfortable. He's brought it up a
Speaker 5: few times. He wants to have David killed and he
Speaker 5: wants Kelly to do it.
Speaker 3: Steve even came to me one time and said, you know,
Speaker 3: you could kill somebody with a syringe full of bleach
Speaker 3: and I was like what He said, Yeah, you gotta
Speaker 3: do is stick bleach and they'll you know, it kills him.
Speaker 3: I said, okay.
Speaker 5: Decades later, America will learn that injecting bleach doesn't kill you.
Speaker 5: It's a new possible way to cure COVID. It is
Speaker 5: not anyway. Steve just wants David dead, and he thinks
Speaker 5: Kelly should be the one to do it because David
Speaker 5: trusts her she could get close to him. He brings
Speaker 5: the idea up again at the party.
Speaker 3: I think that's when he asked me if I would
Speaker 3: go to Mexico and I was like, no, No, not
Speaker 3: doing that.
Speaker 5: Steve said, that's okay, he has another idea.
Speaker 3: That's when he told me, well, I know this guy
Speaker 3: can get to go down there and I'll get in
Speaker 3: to make friends with him, make a couple drops, and
Speaker 3: then I'll have him get rid of againd So even
Speaker 3: though that's not what I would have wanted to have happened,
Speaker 3: I was just like, Okay, I'll go along with that, because,
Speaker 3: like I said, out sight, out of mind, if I
Speaker 3: didn't have to be a part of it, it didn't
Speaker 3: bother me that bad.
Speaker 5: Ah young love, Poor David, the love of his life,
Speaker 5: just signed his death warrant in the shadow of a
Speaker 5: velvet Elvis painting. And as you know, once Steve Chambers
Speaker 5: wants you dead, it's over one snap of his chubby
Speaker 5: little fingers and the most ruthless trained killer in the
Speaker 5: business is coming for you.
Speaker 10: I prefer the the hit man or the harder gun
Speaker 10: compared to assassin, because to me, the hit man or
Speaker 10: gun for her sounds more like the hill billy redneck
Speaker 10: version of the assassin.
Speaker 5: That's next time on crimeless hillbilly heist.
Speaker 9: Rory.
Speaker 2: In your opinion, and this is a tough one. What's
Speaker 2: the biggest mistake these geniuses have made so far?
Speaker 4: I mean doing it at all. Their biggest mistake is
Speaker 4: having dreams and fantasies of living alternate lives. But that's
Speaker 4: all of us, so I do give them credit. These
Speaker 4: are people that wanted something else and they decided to
Speaker 4: do it. We're not talking about murder, we're not talking
Speaker 4: about stealing money from a family that needs it. Obviously,
Speaker 4: this amount is insane. So I got to say, while
Speaker 4: they have made a lot of mistakes, overall, I still
Speaker 4: kind of cheer for the fact that these people just
Speaker 4: wanted to see what it's like to be millionaires. I
Speaker 4: kind of think we all want to know that, and
Speaker 4: here's some people that decided to go find out and
Speaker 4: it's remarkable.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2: I think that's where almost everyone is rooting for them. Yeah,
Speaker 2: even though we know it's not going to end well.
Speaker 4: Yes, Now, just to give you a better, a more
Speaker 4: specific answer, that's the umbrella of my emotions. Underneath that
Speaker 4: umbrella as we get to know these characters a little better.
Speaker 4: For instance, in this episode, Steve and Michelle in particular,
Speaker 4: just how they how they don't even lay low with
Speaker 4: this massive amount of cash, as shown to us by
Speaker 4: Michelle trying to deposit ten thousand dollars into a bank
Speaker 4: and has not even taken the cash out of the
Speaker 4: loomis fargo wrapping yet, while for sure being on camera
Speaker 4: at a teller, while for sure asking all of the
Speaker 4: questions that would make any teller go yep, noted this
Speaker 4: person's probably a criminal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh absolutely, yes. I mean Michelle continues to be
Speaker 2: the I was gonna say the weeklength, but there's a
Speaker 2: few weeklenths.
Speaker 4: Well that's the thing. You can't even know who's like,
Speaker 4: you know, it's not going to be a successful heist
Speaker 4: when David Gant is by far the smartest person in
Speaker 4: the group. And I'd have to say, my favorite part
Speaker 4: of this episode, and it's kind of something I wish
Speaker 4: I could do, is if anyone asked how I came
Speaker 4: into a large sum of money, just say I used
Speaker 4: to play for the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 2: Genius playing.
Speaker 4: Here's what I actually kind of like about it, because
Speaker 4: when I first heard that, I was like, that's absurd.
Speaker 4: But then I was like, well, it is nineteen ninety seven.
Speaker 4: There aren't all these outlets to look that up. So
Speaker 4: the more I thought about it, the more I really
Speaker 4: respected that as a lie.
Speaker 2: I might have just puted a slightly less popular team
Speaker 2: like I used to play for the Saint Louis Rams,
Speaker 2: or like I think we're still around in the nineties.
Speaker 4: Yes, I mean, you could have said you inherited it. Oh,
Speaker 4: my grandfather invented chocolate. No one would have been the wiser.
Speaker 2: It is one of the dumber lives you could tell,
Speaker 2: because yes, you're right, it wasn't like the internet. There
Speaker 2: was the Internet, but it wasn't the internet we know today.
Speaker 2: It's still like worst case scenario if somebody could go,
Speaker 2: I'm short to the library, and I'm sure there's a
Speaker 2: book that listed the NFL rosters for every year.
Speaker 4: I also love how telling that is of his like
Speaker 4: inner child, like he deep down in his psyche, always
Speaker 4: thought maybe he would lay for the Dallas Cow.
Speaker 2: My final question is have you ever been to Cancun?
Speaker 2: And is that where you would flee if you were
Speaker 2: running away from a robbery.
Speaker 4: I would not. It just seems too accessible. I don't know.
Speaker 4: My thinking is, oh, this person would flee to Mexico
Speaker 4: because that's just what they would think you're supposed to do.
Speaker 4: And then the most accessible, the most accessible city in
Speaker 4: Mexico is Camcon. That so David Gann is probably in CanCon.
Speaker 4: It just seems too obvious. So no, that isn't where
Speaker 4: I would go a little on the nose, a little
Speaker 4: on the nose. And also delighted by the fact that
Speaker 4: no one in Mexico cared at all that this guy
Speaker 4: they didn't know, they didn't know he had, you know,
Speaker 4: money wrapped around his body. Granted, this is ninety seven
Speaker 4: surveillance is a little bit different, but also the fact
Speaker 4: that no one cared. He paid for two weeks up
Speaker 4: front with cash tips, so no one would say anything.
Speaker 4: I just love the Mexico's like, we don't care. You
Speaker 4: guys come down here all the time to launder money,
Speaker 4: so we don't care.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that says everyone is ridiculous and paying for
Speaker 2: things in cash and can't coon. I think my problem
Speaker 2: with Cantcon is I just sort of hated it. It's
Speaker 2: full of the worst Americans. But yeah, these probably are
Speaker 2: David's people, so maybe maybe it was a wise choice, you.
Speaker 4: Know, maybe maybe you blend a little better. You're right,
Speaker 4: it's very touristy, especially with Americans, So yeah, you're right,
Speaker 4: that's a good point.
Speaker 6: All right.
Speaker 2: Well, next week we pick up the adventures of David
Speaker 2: Gann and all of his accomplices back home on episode
Speaker 2: four of Crimeless Hillbilly Heist. We'll see you next week.
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