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Speaker 1: Single best idea, and today was an extraordinary day on

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Speaker 1: Bloomberg's surveillance. Our team just did a great job of

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Speaker 1: eclectic guess We finished strong with the elliot Ackerman in

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Speaker 1: celebration of his new book twenty fifty four with James Travetis.

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Speaker 1: I'll have a lot more to say about that. I'm

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Speaker 1: thinking in April or may I actually try to read

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Speaker 1: the books that I'm big on, and I'll have to

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Speaker 1: wait through twenty fifty four about the tensions that are

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Speaker 1: military faces. But today was wonderfully eclectic in equities. Tony

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Speaker 1: Dwyer was with us with a broad view of the

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Speaker 1: linkage of recession and those fears to tepid participation inequities.

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Speaker 1: Away from mag seven there were all sorts of others,

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Speaker 1: but what we really had was dueling quants. I can't

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Speaker 1: say enough. I'm not going to go into it here

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Speaker 1: because we're trying to keep this podcast tight, but I

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Speaker 1: can't say enough about the development of modern quantitative academics,

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Speaker 1: which came out of Imperial College and London with Paul Wilmot,

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Speaker 1: with all sorts of workout of other institutions, including foundational

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Speaker 1: work at Princeton and particularly Andrew Lowe l Andrew low

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Speaker 1: Up at Massachusetts Institute of Technology. We are thrilled to

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Speaker 1: bring you today Katherine Kaminski at Alpha Simplex out of

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Speaker 1: the MIT combine, but first Amy Wu Silverman of RBC,

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Speaker 1: out of the Princeton QUANDT combine. These people are wicked smart.

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Speaker 1: They're the ones that got the A in your math class.

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Speaker 1: And the answer is they really try to devolve the

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Speaker 1: complexities of the Greek letters and what are called cross

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Speaker 1: digest on Bloomberg's surveillance. We digressed with Amy Wu Silverman,

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Speaker 1: and of course we looked at her cross moments and bitcoin.

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Speaker 2: The really interesting thing I would say about bitcoin, because

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Speaker 2: you know, you can't dabble in volatility without dabbling and

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Speaker 2: crypto a little is the This has historically been a

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Speaker 2: risk acid correlation that's actually been positive, even though it's

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Speaker 2: been made out not to be. However, we are actually

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Speaker 2: seeing that correlation decline. So if you look three years ago,

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Speaker 2: the correlation between just the simple equity market and bitcoin

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Speaker 2: but it's actually come in a lot and so it

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Speaker 2: may actually begin to be behaving in the inflation hedge

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Speaker 1: Amy was Silverman there with RBC on bitcoin, and of

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Speaker 1: course we did talk to her about the broader equity

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Speaker 1: market and some of the oddities out there, particularly the

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Speaker 1: mass speculation and options in option day trading. I guess

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Speaker 1: it's speculation, or maybe it's almost like the roulette wheel

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Speaker 1: at a casino. Katie Kaminski is with Alpha Simplex, and

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Speaker 1: the heart and soul of what they do, which I'm

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Speaker 1: familiar with, is trend following. This is a cottage industry

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Speaker 1: which goes back a solid forty years, much of it

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Speaker 1: out of the greater New York City area. And the

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Speaker 1: idea here is not so much to catch the knife

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Speaker 1: the top of the trend going down, but rather just

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Speaker 1: to find the trend and monitor it as you invest,

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Speaker 1: and not day trading, but invest out weeks, quarters, in months.

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Speaker 1: Katie commencing, of course, looking at this extraordinary bull market

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Speaker 1: here she is on the quants, the cross moments of

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Speaker 1: our equity market.

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Speaker 3: When you look right now at where equities have moved,

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Speaker 3: the turning point was in October and it's been I mean,

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Speaker 3: look at S and P. It's up almost twenty five

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Speaker 3: you measure the strength of the trend, you're seeing a

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Speaker 3: pretty strong signal that we're going straight to the moon.

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Speaker 3: And so I think that's where, you know, I'm surprised

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Speaker 3: at how incredibly resilient this market has been. If you

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Speaker 1: Katiekiminski there, and I really want to talk with Alpha Simplex,

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Speaker 1: and I really want to talk for a moment here

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Speaker 1: about the underlying here in the Bloomberg terminal. All of

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Speaker 1: smart people working off Sun Microsystems Spark stations way in

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Speaker 1: the back. It wasn't PCs and decad Wang and you

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Speaker 1: it off Spark station. What Mike Bloomberg and Tom Sekunda

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Speaker 1: this clearly nothing short of an act of God. They

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Speaker 1: basically took high powered Sun Microsystem's work and brought over

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Speaker 1: those chart dynamics so you could establish a trend for

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Speaker 1: think if Chris Verona's strateigue, it's the same way we

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Speaker 1: moving averages. You do that with all sorts of other

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Speaker 1: technical studies, much of them founded by a guy named

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Speaker 1: Wells Wilder and brought forward in the quantitative finance space

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Speaker 1: of people at Princeton and people at MIT like Amy

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Speaker 1: wou Silverman and Katie Kaminski. You can do all that

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